What if…An Executor-class Star Dreadnought arrived in UNSC controlled space?

Executor-class Star Dreadnought arrived in UNSC controlled space

So the full question is:
What if…A fully crewed and equipped Executor-class Star Dreadnought arrived in UNSC controlled space prior to the fall of Reach, with no means of returning home?

How would they react to encountering such a primitive tribe of humans?
What would be the reaction of the UNSC?
Would the SSD Admiral even reveal his presence to the UNSC?
Would UNSC diplomats attempt to negotiate a pact, or draw them into the Covenant-Human war?
If so, how well would the Covenant Empire fare against a fully armed and equipped Executor-class Star Dreadnought?
Or, would they just bugger off to another part of the galaxy and ignore everyone all together?

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277 Comments on "What if…An Executor-class Star Dreadnought arrived in UNSC controlled space?"

  1. El Zilcho April 30, 2009 at 4:35 am -      #1

    The UNSC are screwed if they attack the SSD, or the SSD decides to attack them. So are the Covenant for that matter

  2. Thepocalypse April 30, 2009 at 4:38 am -      #2

    I doubt the Imps would even take a second glance at the UNSC. To them, it’s just another primitive culture in deep space.
    However, if they did take notice, I believe a massive number of UNSC frigates would take it down.

  3. L-W April 30, 2009 at 9:13 am -      #3

    “However, if they did take notice, I believe a massive number of UNSC frigates would take it down.”

    Several thousand frigates versus 19km worth of turbolasers, point defense cannons, missile tubes a full compliment of TIE fighters and a shield rated at 3.8 × 10E26 W; which is the equivelant output of a small star. There are more guns attached to this vessel than there are ships in the entirety of the human fleet.

    Anyone who has done even an inkling of research would know that this thing can dish out more firepower than the entirety of the UNSC combined (One heavy turbolaser shot is worth more than every nuclear warhead on earth by a hundredfold), and that the most idiotic thing the Navy could accomplish in their short lifespans would be throwing away ships so pointlessly against the guns of a vastly superior vessel. If the Colonial government does even one thing to irritate an Imperial Admiral at the helm of this beast, Earth would most likely be turned to slag within ten minutes of the first shot being fired.

    – – –

    I on the other hand firmly believe that no Admiral is stupid enough to engage an unknown vessel four times larger than even the largest Covenant known Carrier. If they identify one another as being human, life would certainly become quite interesting for all parties, including the Covenant.

  4. Baron Somebody April 30, 2009 at 12:34 pm -      #4

    What if for some reason the Empire gave the UNSC the proper technology?

  5. The One Sin April 30, 2009 at 4:11 pm -      #5

    One question: Does the dreadnought have hostile intentions,does it come in peace, or did it just show up by some freak warp accident?

  6. fooby April 30, 2009 at 5:34 pm -      #6

    the empire would take a unsc planet and start their empire all over again then the events of halo would be empire vs unsc vs covanet

  7. the_man_with The_Answers April 30, 2009 at 7:11 pm -      #7

    Ya, I mean they are both human. They would probably join up with the UNSC. I think enough covenant super-carriers could take it down evenually though. You have to admit that the main weapon is pretty powerful(bi-secting 5 UNSC ships) plus it travels at near the speed of light.

  8. the_man_with The_Answers April 30, 2009 at 7:13 pm -      #8

    Oh ya, I forgot. Wouldn’t it run out of supplys eventaully. Its not going to be able to restock or even reful.

  9. L-W April 30, 2009 at 9:29 pm -      #9

    “I think enough covenant super-carriers could take it down evenually though. You have to admit that the main weapon is pretty powerful(bi-secting 5 UNSC ships) plus it travels at near the speed of light.”

    According to my calculations, even at maximum theoretical (Essentially the most optimistic numbers I could crunch on behalf of the Covenant) output, it would take 126,666,666 consecutive blasts from an Energy Projector to drop the shields of an Executor, which means that each and every ship in the covenant Navy would have to get a total of 25,333 shots each in a single volley.

    Whereas a single Turbolaser could quite likely cripple a Carrier in a single shield draining blast.

    “Oh ya, I forgot. Wouldn’t it run out of supplys eventaully. Its not going to be able to restock or even reful.”

    It has supplies for six years (Eight if they ration their fuel) of continuous combat, so make of that what you will.

  10. Skrunks April 30, 2009 at 9:46 pm -      #10

    You have a point with running out of supplies, but an Executor at full stock can run for years, I think I remember 6 or 7 years at maximum. And honestly, it would take the Entire covenant Fleet to even put a dent in this things Shields. And even then, I don’t think the entire Covenant fleet can match the power output of a star.

  11. chaostheory626 May 1, 2009 at 1:04 am -      #11

    Maybe several nova bombs if they could muster them, I mean its not impossible for the unsc to take it down but it is not going to be an easy feat

  12. L-W May 1, 2009 at 9:27 am -      #12

    Are we all assuming now that the UNSC Navy is stupid enough to even challenge this vessel?

    Think about this before the next bout of conditional stupidity sets in. A human vessel has just arrived from a distant galaxy, armed with enough firepower to take on the entire Covenant fleet alone without a single loss of life, a conglomerate of alien empires who your entire race is severely outclassed by and has thus forced you to the brink of extinction.

    Most of your worlds have been glassed, countless lives have been lost and the bloodiest battle seen in human history is literally just on your doorstep (The Battle of Reach is said to be the bloodiest seen in the history of the Halo series) as the Covenant Navy amasses its fleets in a preparation to strike. Earth will be next.

    Suddenly, a miracle occurs by chance somewhere else in the universe humans have evolved; and have by some coincidence bought with them the technology to not just advance your species by thousands of years, but to turn a century long *losing* war on its head and and quite possibly defeat the Covenant within a matter of hours of the initial engagement…

    ..,and you want to attempt (Attempt is the key word here, since nothing in the UNSC arsenal could even damage the shielding) to destroy it? I’m sorry, but when did the collective IQ of the entire group drop so suddenly?

    Jesus, this is depressing.

    – – –

    “Maybe several nova bombs if they could muster them, I mean its not impossible for the unsc to take it down but it is not going to be an easy feat”

    The NOVA bomb generates around thirty gigatons of energy, whilst the energy shield of the Executor can dissipate over nine hundred petatons worth. Which ends up being a dissipation rate equal to over thirty thousand NOVA warheads.

    It took several colonies worth of fissile material just to generate one warhead, where do you propose the UNSC finds the material necessary for tens of thousands?

  13. EnigmaJ May 1, 2009 at 11:16 am -      #13

    “A human vessel has just arrived from a distant galaxy, armed with enough firepower to take on the entire Covenant fleet alone without a single loss of life, a conglomerate of alien empires who your entire race is severely outclassed by and has thus forced you to the brink of extinction. ”

    But the UNSC wont know in the beginning that the vessel is of human origin and how powerful it really is.

    That leaves room for some initially unfriendly situations i think

  14. Matapiojo May 1, 2009 at 11:42 am -      #14

    “That leaves room for some initially unfriendly situations i think”

    Perhaps that would be the initial reaction of the UNSC due to them beleiving themselves to be the only humans, but the SSD is no stranger to alien races. The initial interaction would most certainly involve the imperial ship hailing the terrans.

    Even IF there were language barriers, the fact that the UNSC will subsequently discover that the SSD is in fact a human vessel will most certainly cause hesitation in any aggresive action on their part.

    Certainly not a black and white scenario, but thats the whole point of the initial statement. Why just assume that the first encounter woulkd be met with a fire exchange in the first seconds?

  15. L-W May 1, 2009 at 11:46 am -      #15

    So an Admiral is going to confront a vessel far larger than any Covenant craft ever seen with his clearly inferior vessel without so much as a scouting mission, or at least a prolonged period of surveillance?

  16. AlphaCommando May 1, 2009 at 12:32 pm -      #16

    Its actually likely that there might be language barriers, the standard language in Star Wars is Basic (which I think was said somewhere to be translated in the novels and movies, but that’s sort of fishy plus I could be misremembering) and the writing is in Aurebesh script, where as everyone under the UNSC’s protection speaks English.

    I think it comes down to exactly how good of a person the SSD’s Admiral/Captain. If he is as much of an emperor-loving tool as I would suspect somebody to be in command of a SSD he will most certainly find himself in a wonderful new opportunity for his Emperor, probably drop a trans-galactic message buoy, then start conquering planets in the name of the Galactic empire. Now if he was a more generous random guy I could see him trying to make peaceful contact with the UNSC and whatnot, but it also depends in “when” this takes place…pre, during, or after the Covenant-Human war.

  17. L-W May 1, 2009 at 12:47 pm -      #17

    Ahem…

    What if…A fully crewed and equipped Executor-class Star Dreadnought arrived in UNSC controlled space *prior to the fall of Reach*, with no means of returning home?

  18. fooby May 1, 2009 at 5:23 pm -      #18

    now if was a ecplise destroyer……..
    that would awsome to see
    an ecplise could take on a whole unsc fleet+ a whole covanet fleet, and win taking little to no damage
    its twice as big as the executor, and has a mini death star laser

  19. EnigmaJ May 1, 2009 at 7:50 pm -      #19

    You sure about that?

    According to wikia, the executor is 19 km long and the eclipse is 17.5 km long

  20. Skrunks May 1, 2009 at 8:30 pm -      #20

    The Executor is longer, but the Eclipse is much more massive. But the Executor could take on the whole UNSC fleet and the whole covenant fleet anyway, so it’s a moot point.

  21. Space marine May 1, 2009 at 9:17 pm -      #21

    Well If they attack the star destroyer they are boned, Like what L-W said.

  22. Space marine May 1, 2009 at 9:18 pm -      #22

    Wait….Wait….Lemme see if this works

  23. AlphaCommando May 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm -      #23

    The Eclipse wasn’t “much shorter” (2-3 km” isn’t muht) but is much broader, deeper and generally more massive, mounting exponentially more weapons, plus it had a planet-cracking superlaser in it….awesome.

    However that is not the prospect of the discussion

  24. Space marine May 2, 2009 at 12:38 am -      #24

    AHA! I have my pedobear back! Prepare to be molested!

  25. chaostheory626 May 2, 2009 at 3:52 am -      #25

    well if they had no means of getting back to where they came from L-W do u think they would try a peaceful resolution with the UNSC or conquer them?

    Maybe depending on the ships captain/admiral they might start a new empire?
    I’m interested on hearing your thoughts

  26. the_man_with The_Answers May 2, 2009 at 9:20 am -      #26

    L-W you do know how strong the NOVA bomb is? detonated in space it destroyed a moon and sienged 1/3 of the adjacent planet. I don’t think it could stand that. But anyways, boh the UNSC and empire are human. Obviously with the Empire’s tech they a least show what eachother what they look like. Plus the human/covenant war was more than 6-7 years. Eventually it will not have sufficient power and will probbly be scrapped to make hybrid vessels from the armour of the SD, and weapons/other tech from the UNSC. How long did you say the SD was? I know a super-carrier is around 7-15km long. There are thousands of them around highchaity. The covenant would easily sacrafice them by not only shooting at it but also ramming.

    I don’t think they would start a new empire, clearly the crew must know that they only have 7 years. After that they are at the mercy of the UNSC. It would be smarter to join the UNSC.

  27. L-W May 2, 2009 at 9:39 am -      #27

    If the Admiral was smart, he would assist the UNSC in defeating the Covenant, which should realistically take only several weeks given reliable reconnaissance and intelligence on the nearby star systems.

    As a trade off, Imperial Officers and delegates will be given amnesty on UNSC colonies, where they may begin to fulfill their obligation to the Emperor and overturn the current political rule, utilizing the image of the great Flagship to coerce many of the surviving outlying and rebel colonies to instill their affluence amongst the civilians. They should appeal to the hearts and minds of the UNSC, joining the war as saviors of the human race, not conquerors.

    With any luck they would successfully convey the image of angelic warriors delivered upon a dying humanity, which would soon follow the gradual support of Imperial doctrine without so much as a shot fired. Either way, having an Executor at your hands is one hell of a bargaining chip, especially when you can slag the surface of the Earth within five minutes of the opening salvo.

    Personally I’m more interested in the Covenant’s reaction at the Battle of Reach. How would Covenant admiralty reacting to spotting this Goliath approaching them?

  28. chaostheory626 May 2, 2009 at 3:36 pm -      #28

    They wouldn’t know what to make of it, but since the Covenant are know to not surrender, they might just send all the ships that were meant to attack Reach to attack the new threat.

    It could cause confusion on how the humans are far more sophisticated then the ones they encountered before and the Prophets knowing the humans are the reclaimers would question there initial order of an all out holy war against them. There might be a slim chance that they could go for peace instead of total annihilation, that’s considering if the executor was siding with the UNSC.

  29. Pondering Fool May 2, 2009 at 7:17 pm -      #29

    mmmhhh, well if the UNSC and Admiral team up, it is over for the Covenant. The Star Wars vs Halo thread show (with very good points from L-W) that Star Wars tech would own Halo tech. Now, it is just the Covenant by themselves, facing one of the greatest battle ships of the Empire. Pure Imperial ownage.

    If the UNSC were stupid and actually attempted an attack on the Star Dreadnought, well the Imperial Crew can get ready to conquer a new piece of territory for the Emperor.

  30. Skrunks May 2, 2009 at 11:08 pm -      #30

    “L-W you do know how strong the NOVA bomb is? detonated in space it destroyed a moon and sienged 1/3 of the adjacent planet. I don’t think it could stand that.”

    You’re joking right?

    Did you not read what L-W said?

    “The NOVA bomb generates around thirty gigatons of energy, whilst the energy shield of the Executor can dissipate over nine hundred petatons worth. Which ends up being a dissipation rate equal to over thirty thousand NOVA warheads.
    It took several colonies worth of fissile material just to generate one warhead, where do you propose the UNSC finds the material necessary for tens of thousands?”

    The Executor has 3.8 × 10e26 W shield power, that is equal to the output of the SUN. The Sun fuses billions of tons of hydrogen together. To drop the Shields of the executor, you would literally have to match the energy of a star. Sure, a NOVA bomb can singe the surface of a planet, but the Sun can vaporize a hundred planets.

  31. L-W May 2, 2009 at 11:51 pm -      #31

    Every time I read that guys retarded gibberish, I cannot help but chuckle. It’s like a glass of freshly squeezed stupidity, mixed with heavy doses of ignorance.

    “L-W you do know how strong the NOVA bomb is? detonated in space it destroyed a moon and sienged 1/3 of the adjacent planet. I don’t think it could stand that. But anyways, boh the UNSC and empire are human. Obviously with the Empire’s tech they a least show what eachother what they look like.”

    Clearly I do, since my grasp of even basic physics is far stronger than anything you could possibly posses. See Skrunk’s post (Post #30) for a succinct rebuttal to your sheer ignorance.

    “Plus the human/covenant war was more than 6-7 years.”

    Which wasn’t helped by the fact that Human ships are limited to speeds of around three light years per day, whilst Covenant vessels could exceed this by just nine; meaning it would take years for vessels to travel to the outer colonies and decades to map and scout. The SSD can travel from one end of the galaxy to the next in a matter of days, placing their propulsion at ten thousand light years per hour.

    Also I recommend that you strengthen your comprehension of the English language, since it quite clearly states in the intro that the intrusion occurs *just* before the fall of Reach (Circa 2552), suggesting that it’s arrival could later the entire Halo time line entirely (No fall of Reach, no Installation 04, no Battle of Earth, no discovery of the portal and no Ark as a result).

    Your staggering lack of analytical skills is nothing short of astounding.

    “I know a super-carrier is around 7-15km long. There are thousands of them around highchaity. The covenant would easily sacrafice them by not only shooting at it but also ramming.”

    A scenario that incorrectly assumes that:
    A) The SSD won’t use it’s compliment of tens of thousands of weapons (Each one superior to the Covenant equivalent) to destroy High Charity and the Fleet on sight.
    B) It won’t use the Ion Cannon to disable every ship in the region.
    C) That it won’t use it’s superior propulsion to merely outrace the Covenant.
    D) That the shield (Which can deflect entire Imperal-I Star Destroyers traveling at near light speed) won’t just absorb the impacts and vaporize Covenant vessels upon impact.
    E) It won’t activate the Interdiction field or the dozens of tractor beams to create a gravity well and bring the entire Covenant Navy to a screeching standstill, a process that is described by opposing Admirals to be like “Fighting in thick mud”.

    That’s a lot of variables to contest.

  32. L-W May 3, 2009 at 9:51 am -      #32

    This is what I always imagined the fight to look like:

    i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/Lew88/HighCharityversusSSD1-1.jpg

    Just look at the plume of Plasma escape into space as the slagged surface of High Charity ruptures, the bow of a nearby Super-Carrier is pocketed with heavy turbolaser rounds, causing her reactors to ignite and explode violently in a cloud of plasma; or the squadron of Seraph fighters broken against the energy shielding of the Imperial vessel.

    Man, do I love photoshop.

  33. the_man_with The_Answers May 3, 2009 at 10:54 am -      #33

    I understand that.

    If the crew did ceate an empire than it would only work if the empire was hospitabal, unlike the one in SW’s unierse. Otherwise, the USNC would take over after the 8 years are done. Even if the single executor destroyed the Covenant and UNSC, there would still be the rebels. If the fully equipped empire had trouble finding rebel bases in known territory, than finding the rebel astroid and the Rubble would be near impossible. Once the rebels learn the executor is out of buisness than they will ultimatly take over.

    L-W can you read? It says PRIOR to the fall of Reach. That could mean anytime before 2552 and after the start of the human/covenant war. Looks like you should get some glasses buddy.

  34. Skrunks May 3, 2009 at 7:20 pm -      #34

    You’re assuming that the Executor is incapable of refueling or resupplying. The Halos and the Ark are shown to be capable of matter-energy conversion for construction. The Executor has a crew 280,000 people and has 2 pre-fabricated Garrison Bases. If they did side with the UNSC, and so much as heard a whisper about the Halos and the technology on board, that Admiral would make it his prime directive to secure the installations. Forget the Covenant and High Charity, the Halos make the destructive power of the Death Star look like a debilitated pea shooter. Not to mention the technology on board, when put to the minds of the 280,000 said crew, could easily be applied to resupply the SSD. Besides, the UNSC could supply the food for such a valuable ally.

  35. L-W May 3, 2009 at 9:57 pm -      #35

    “L-W can you read? It says PRIOR to the fall of Reach. That could mean anytime before 2552 and after the start of the human/covenant war. Looks like you should get some glasses buddy.”

    Which still doesn’t address the Hyperspace issue or the fact that the Halo time line has been irrevocably altered as a result, thus the outcome or the sclae of the war has shifted dramatically in favour of a shorter resolution.

    Way to not apply anything to a post, as per usual.

  36. EnigmaJ May 3, 2009 at 10:38 pm -      #36

    Hey, what would be the effect of the Nova Bomb on the SSD is its shields were down?

  37. chaostheory626 May 4, 2009 at 1:07 am -      #37

    well I think it would destroy it or damage it severely

    But that situation is very unlikely.

  38. L-W May 4, 2009 at 2:15 am -      #38

    Who needs shields when an automated point defense turret can just shoot it out of the sky?

    One of the hundreds of thousands of accurate, cheap and expendable automated laser turrets utilizing micrometer sensors versus one bulky warhead that consumes inordinate amounts of fissile material to manufacture.

    There are literally just a handful warheads in existence, which the UNSC never once actually considered for widespread naval deployment (In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx a group of curious Engineers accidentally detonate a captured bomb) simply because the sheer manufacturing cost and time for one warhead would be wasted within seconds against superior Covenant point defense technology.

    There are only two instances where they felt comfortable deploying the warhead, one of them was for a scenario in which the Covenant would attempt capture Reach and expose their fleet during the ground assault, the other was in a measure to prevent Flood from escaping High Charity.

    So why is it going to prove to be an effective strategy against an even *more* superior vessel and subsequent targeting systems? Let us not forget that Star Wars shields vaporize high speed projectiles on contact, what’s stopping them from extending their shields by just a meter and disintegrating the warhead before the proximity fuse detonates the bomb (Or the UNSC equivalent)?

  39. EnigmaJ May 4, 2009 at 4:08 pm -      #39

    I didnt say it would be effect… just wondering what it would do if its shields were down

    But I think I answered my own question. You said before that the heavy turbolasers could be adjusted between 20 and 200 gigatons… and I guess if SW ships gets hit by those all the time, the Nova Bomb shouldn’t really do much even if there were no shields.

    But anyway, you said before

    “So an Admiral is going to confront a vessel far larger than any Covenant craft ever seen with his clearly inferior vessel without so much as a scouting mission, or at least a prolonged period of surveillance?”

    I was wondering. Once this thing is actually found floating about in space… what happens then? I’m just asking, but how would the UNSC find anything about these visitors. You said that they’d scout and and keep an eye on them. But what could the UNSC actually find about them from doing this? Its not like theres a bumper sticker somewhere on this craft that they can look for that says that “its being operated by humans and it has thousands of guns that has more power then even your best weapons.”

    I dont even think the UNSC would want to even get any near that thing. Though it looks different from any Covenant Ship ever seen, what else would you think of it. Oh “it could be a highly advanced ship from an intergalactic society that found its way into our own galacy by accident”? If you find a new guitar in your room and its not yours, you’d probably think it to be your roommates ( Bad example, I know =P ) . I see one of two things happening. Either the guy in charge launches a full out attack against this thing ( stupid idea) thinking that if this things Covenant, they’d all probably all die if they continue fighting ( and besides, they’ve seen what Covenant tech could do. How powerful could its shields be? How powerful its weapons? Even if it had dozens of energy projectors, it shouldn’t be invincible.) or the Admiral orders a retreat thinking it to be a powerful, secret weapon of the Covenant.

    It dont think it matters how you look at it. Once the Covenant sees this thing, they’d probaly take the “WTF is thing? Lets blow that shit up!” approach.The only way I see the UNSC teaming up with the SSD is if they see this thing pwning dozens of other Covenant Ships single handedly and they realize its not on the Covenant’s side. But once this happens, the SSD would be ready pwn everything that comes in sight ( technically ). They might see a UNSC ship coming, assume its with the Covenant, and destroy it. And then it becomes a free for all, with the Covenant and the UNSC wanting to get rid of it, but both of them not wanting to cooperate all that much.

    They’d be owned, and once they realize this it might be too late. What I think is that they might eventually mistaken this ship to be Forerunner after seeing its power. If this happens, the Covenant would probably want peace at any means so that they could worship them or something. It would be very interesting for the UNSC once the Covenant realize that guys in the SSD are human. But I see this ending with the SSD forcing the UNSC into submission through fear, but taking the easy way out with the Covenant by letting them worship them.

  40. chaostheory626 May 4, 2009 at 4:55 pm -      #40

    L-W I think he means what effect it would have if it detonated in or near the SSD without it’s shields, not if it could get through its defense.

  41. the_man_with The_Answers May 4, 2009 at 6:50 pm -      #41

    Ok L-W, I have had it with you. I’m a paleontologist, I’m not going to college for physics. Just because I don’t have a college degree in physics doesn’t mean I’m automatically a retard. How am I supposed to know these things? I don’t have the time, nor do I want to learn every single fact about physics. I don’t sit in a room all day figuring out statistics, than spending an hour on BankGambling.com typing up pages from a textbook and dissing other people. I hunt, run, go on expeditions, camp, fish, bike, and hike. I like to live my life and not sit over a computer for the better part of the day. The reason I figured the executer couldn’t withstand a NOVA bomb is because it detonated and from a ship it destroyed a moon and singed 1/3 of a planets surface. Oh and by the way, half of all your little SW tech doesn’t even work. The Star Wars tech shows multiple faults with blasters, lightsabers, the Death Star, all the spacecraft, and hyperspace. Example: you see X-wings fly like today’s fighter jets, or even better. To do this they would need to be practically covered in thrusters to fly like that in space. Quite frankly I see no thrusters that would allow this sort of maneuverability. Also, TIE (Twin Ion Engines) fighters fly incredibly fast. We all ready have twin ion engines and they are incredibly slow, but do however last extremely long. If you wanted I could show you faults with practically everything else from the SW universe. But I’m sure you would just make up some excuses like “It’s possible with a particle accelerator.” I don’t see that ever happening. If you think its that possible than go out and make one. Nothings stopping you or the world from making this. You can go win the fricken Nobel Prize for all I care. Go watch a SW tech show and them maybe, just maybe you’ll come to your nerdy little senses.
    By the way, can executers make it through a sun even if it’s tech worked? I know our current tech can generate plasma at around 900 million degrees Kelvin. I’m fairly confident that the Covenant can make and use that temp plasma as a weapon, possibly even hotter on a larger ship. SW’s shielding can go screw itself because if a 15km long super-carrier could fire a salvo of plasma torpedoes that basically dwarfs the SSD. Even if it glances it, no amount of life support could stop the insides to living Hell. That’s provided the shields even work. You always say “That’s hyperbole/disproven to my calculations/physics prove it wrong and don’t forget the site is called FACT pile.” Well the facts and physics experts prove it you wrong. Your only defense is saying it’s a Sci-Fi battle. But that throws your precious physics out the window.
    The reason I look so stupid to you is because I’m using a beginner’s logic against an expert’s mastery. Half the time I pitch out an idea, you catch it, and throw back an answer that only someone in college for physics would know. Then you call me an idiot. I hardly think that’s fair. I would understand you calling me an idiot if I were studying physics, but I’m not nor will I ever study physics in excess. Your comments on my knowledge being near criminal are the biggest pile of crap I’ve ever heard. You basically said anyone over 18 that isn’t a criminal should know the blast radius of a 200-gig nuke, which by the way is way more than 100km(in Halo’s tech anyway). The NOVA bomb did more than that in space, which is only a 27-gig. The vaporization radius of the NOVA was around 1000km, only around 1/7 of a 200-gig nuke. By a more accurate calculation, a 200-gig NOVA bomb’s vaporization radius is around 7,000km in space. The total blast radius in space is within the millions. That means if detonated in atmosphere, the total blast radius would be in the tens of millions. Far more than what is needed to completely destroy the Earth and moon or at least completely singe the surface of Earth and shatter the moon. I rest my case.

  42. EnigmaJ May 4, 2009 at 9:35 pm -      #42

    “SW’s shielding can go screw itself because if a 15km long super-carrier could fire a salvo of plasma torpedoes that basically dwarfs the SSD”

    The SSD is 19 km long. The Covenant Super Carrier is only somewhat longer then 5 km long. Get your facts straight.

    “By the way, can executers make it through a sun even if it’s tech worked? I know our current tech can generate plasma at around 900 million degrees Kelvin. I’m fairly confident that the Covenant can make and use that temp plasma as a weapon, possibly even hotter on a larger ship”

    I’m pretty sure that just because you can reach a temperature hotter then the sun, that doesn’t mean you’ve just produced more energy then it.

  43. AlphaCommando May 4, 2009 at 9:57 pm -      #43

    “I’m pretty sure that just because you can reach a temperature hotter then the sun, that doesn’t mean you’ve just produced more energy then it.”

    On that note Lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun, it obviously has more power.

    Anyway, I’m about as done with your crap Answer as I was with hotshot’s. Considering you grammar I doubt you even are in college to become a paleontologist like you say.

    Anyway, a 200-gig nuke is a 200-gig nuke, regardless of what the writers make it out to be, if they knew what they where doing they would have left numbers out of it, but in this situation they screwed themselves over by saying 200-gigs. This has to be a form of insanity; trying something over and over while expecting different results? Answers has tried this argument several times only to have it disproved, hmm…

  44. AlphaCommando May 4, 2009 at 10:07 pm -      #44

    God damn it, hit send before I finished or spellchecked.

    Anyway; Even if you where a paleontologist and you admitted no knowledge of physics then how on this Earth do you think you are in a position to analize the engineering principles of SW tech? Do I tell psychologists that they are all wrong when then analyze me? No, leave analysis to the specialists…
    Now I understand many of L-W’s principles but not all of his analysis (I’m a biology related and mechanical major, not a physicist), IE I leave the explanation to him and keep my moth for the most part shut unless I see a fault, if any of these battles came to deep biology give me a ring (I really have yet to see one, which makes me sad). Its a symbol or respect to let specialists talk and have trust that they know more than you, which they do…

    Rant about professions aside (had a bad day at work relating to this), I eagerly await L-W’s post.

  45. L-W May 4, 2009 at 10:12 pm -      #45

    “Ok L-W, I have had it with you.”

    I had no idea you were even with me?

    “I’m a paleontologist, I’m not going to college for physics. Just because I don’t have a college degree in physics doesn’t mean I’m automatically a retard.”

    Not having a requisite education isn’t the reason you come across as idiotic, it’s due to statements that proclaim a large enough fissile bomb could ignite half the solar system, or that several million megajoules of energy can be destroyed easily, despite having nowhere else to go.

    “I don’t sit in a room all day figuring out statistics, than spending an hour on BankGambling.com typing up pages from a textbook and dissing other people. I hunt, run, go on expeditions, camp, fish, bike, and hike. I like to live my life and not sit over a computer for the better part of the day.”

    Good for you. My knowledge comes from years of university studies, my job as an aeronautical engineer and my ability to pay attention in elementary school science classes.

    Whilst it’s fallacious to assume that I have no life outside of the computer (As I said to others before – For all you know I could be bed bound and terminally ill), I’ll call you on the same hypocrisy, since it was *you* who also attempted to present scientific analysis on other boards in other contexts.

    But in your case it was not only wrong, it was blindingly wrong.

    “Oh and by the way, half of all your little SW tech doesn’t even work. The Star Wars tech shows multiple faults with blasters, lightsabers, the Death Star, all the spacecraft, and hyperspace.”

    Oh no! Really?! Whatever shall I do I cannot fathom a world in which the scientific principles of science fantasy cannot function on a true physical basis within the realm of our conceptual understanding of the universe…

    …Of course I realized that you retard, it’s called Sci-Fi fantasy for a reason. It’s the same manner in which we have sound in space, 50ft Women, or insects the size of houses; because they are fantastical elements that would never function within the constraints of our universe, but have to take on a pre-selected paradigm to be acceptable in theirs. If you only just understand this, then what are you doing wasting your time here?

    And why are you throwing around this staggering concept of Sci-Fi fantasy now, when people have and always been aware of it since 1978?

    “But I’m sure you would just make up some excuses like “It’s possible with a particle accelerator.” I don’t see that ever happening. If you think its that possible than go out and make one.”

    By that logic, you should go back to 1789 and tell Antoine Lavoisier to build a critical fission device. I’ve already explained this entire paradox, why is it failing to sink in?

    “By the way, can executers make it through a sun even if it’s tech worked?”

    *Groan*

    /facepalm

    “Your only defense is saying it’s a Sci-Fi battle. But that throws your precious physics out the window.”

    Wow, please direct me to every teacher you have ever had so that I may slap them.

    “Your comments on my knowledge being near criminal are the biggest pile of crap I’ve ever heard.”

    No, your understanding of the scientific method despite being a Paleontologist (An avenue that I respect and wanted to pursue until later in my life) is appalling, this has nothing to do with physics, but has everything to do with the common sense associated with every scientific principle known to man.

    “The NOVA bomb did more than that in space, which is only a 27-gig. The vaporization radius of the NOVA was around 1000km, only around 1/7 of a 200-gig nuke. By a more accurate calculation, a 200-gig NOVA bomb’s vaporization radius is around 7,000km in space. The total blast radius in space is within the millions. That means if detonated in atmosphere, the total blast radius would be in the tens of millions. Far more than what is needed to completely destroy the Earth and moon or at least completely singe the surface of Earth and shatter the moon. I rest my case.”

    And I can see that you’ve utterly ignored everything I’ve stated on the subject of critical mass, solid vaporization, the gravitational binding energy of stellar masses or the simple fact that space is freaking Vacuum.

    Please, for the love of god, your just embarrassing yourself now.

    – – –

    As for Covenant weapons, according to my calculations based on the vaporization of Titanium, earth based silicates, salt and fresh water, I have determined that even if the atmosphere absorbs over 90% of the heat energy (Which is just a ridiculous assertion on my behalf), it would effectively place the energy output of the Covenant energy projector at around 700 megatons per second of use in a vacuum.

    Since the energy dissipation rate of Executor shielding is measured at 3.8 × 10E26 W, I would say that the crew would be quite comfortable even in prolonged engagements with multiple opponents.

    Either way, how long do you propose a Super-Carrier could sustain itself against the SSD? As we know their shields are rated less than that of 30 gigatons, whilst a single Heavy Turbolaser bolt can exceed 200 gigatons, what do you propose to be the average lifespan of a Covenant vessel engaged with an Imperial vessel such as this? Also, where did you get the 15km figure from in regards to the Super-Carrier, since nothing I’ve read suggests anything of that scale?

  46. Dracosphinx May 4, 2009 at 10:28 pm -      #46

    Now, now, no need to get touchy! this is all in fun! Besides starwars was meant to have the largest arsenals, largest weapons, largest armies ever seen on the big screen. so it makes sense that starwars would win against halo, the video game series about humanity struggling to repel an alien threat with limited tech.

  47. Baron Somebody May 4, 2009 at 11:00 pm -      #47

    L-W, not all of us are as gifted in physics as you are…look at me…I hate physics, but I am pretty damn good in the literature and geography department, so just chill a bit man

  48. TheSorrow May 4, 2009 at 11:23 pm -      #48

    Wait, how did the Executor get blown up by a couple of rebels in the first place? I can’t remember the exact way they got it, but I do remember it crashing into the Death Star exploding( which by the way seemed a bit anti-climatic considering the size to blast ratio). I mean it’s shield is already powerful enough to stop a planet annihilating mega warhead without being scratched, yet the rebels were able to take it down? It just doesn’t seem probable to me. That is what pissed me off the most about the movies because this all powerful Empire gets beaten by EWOKS!!? I mean come on!! That has got to be the lamest way to go out. So you go to the after life and someone asks,” how did you die?” And you reply,” Oh, I got killed by a couple of furballs who dropped two logs into my AT-ST.” Lame. Or even ,you’re the person who designed the Death Star and you have explain to the Emperor how a kid who barely has any training in piloting a spacecraft managed slip passed the space station’s defences and shoot a torpedo into a exhaust pipe that just so happens to cause the whole thing to blow up!

  49. Cpt Olimar May 5, 2009 at 12:28 am -      #49

    TheSorrow, that is one of those scenes where casual watchers find humorous and amusing, and SW extreme fans get so mad about that they might skin Lucas for.

    I mean, its amusing seeing it happen, but it sure doesn’t make the empire took so tough eh?

  50. L-W May 5, 2009 at 1:50 am -      #50

    “L-W, not all of us are as gifted in physics as you are…look at me…I hate physics, but I am pretty damn good in the literature and geography department, so just chill a bit man”

    This has nothing to do with physics (As I explained), just basic scientific principles that even he as a Paleontologist should be able to easily quantify.

    Alas, I believe some irredeemable bias has corrupted his mind, and as a result skewed even his basic understanding of mathematics and linguistics. Not that I would throw around the term fanboy lightly (Those aware of my debating tactics on Star Wars Vs. Halo thread would see this) or out of context, but when you can’t accept that 908 petatons is a larger value than 700 megatons, something is clearly blindsiding your analytical skills.

    – – –

    Ultimately, despite all that has been said, there is no denying that a nuclear explosion in a vacuum generates rather less of an effect than detonating it in the atmosphere. A bright light, a bit of an electromagnetic field, no bang and a small amount of radioactive metal drifting in space.

    Yet according to him, a 200 gigaton blast would destroy the Earth and consume half the solar system, when it has been repeatedly stated that our planet has taken 100,000 gigaton blasts quite frequently in her lifetime, and requires outputs measured in the thousands of petatons to even shatter.

    His answer to this? According to Vice Admiral Danforth Whitcomb, the lithium triteride armor increases the blast of a conventional thermonuclear warhead a hundredfold. Even if you could create a 200 gigaton Nova bomb by the exact same standards, the blast radius only expands to 903.9 kilometers (Less than half the surface area of Great Britain) and produces a radius of thermal radiation emitted up to 29,530.2 kilometers from the blast, making the total expansion three hundred and forty times smaller than Europe.

    I could even increase the output by a thousandfold and achieve a blast radius no larger than 14,326.5 kilometers.

    That’s not a Planet Killer, that won’t even wipe out most complex life on the surface or even shatter most of our windows. Yet he expects it to not only engulf and vaporize the Earth, but destroy the Moon at the same time, which sits at a comfortable 385,000 km from the surface at its closest. How preposterous.

  51. Skrunks May 5, 2009 at 2:47 am -      #51

    The entire Rebel fleet concentrated fire on the Executor. That’s several hundred turbolasers pounding away on it, causing minor fluctuations in the dorsal shield grid, enough for a few fighters to destroy the dedicated Bridge Shield Generator. This dropped the shields protecting the Command Tower, allowing a damaged A-Wing to smash into it at full speed, totally wrecking the ships power distribution and engine control. With the ship out of whack, it careened out of control and smashed into the Death Star. I’d be willing to bet that the ship wasn’t actually destroyed on impact, but borrowed itself several kilometers into the Death Stars superstructure.

    @the_man_with The_Answers

    I can debunk your entire post with one sentence. I’m 20 and my highest education in physics is high school Physics 11. You can not justify not understanding these numbers by simply saying ‘you haven’t gone to college for it’. I haven’t.

  52. Matapiojo May 5, 2009 at 8:06 am -      #52

    @ the_man_with The_Answers

    I LOL @ N3RD RAG3!!111!!!

    @TheSorrow

    A lot of thing Lucas did/does make no scientific sense. He is a storyteller, and he will always look for that plot twist that will push his story forward.

    In the case of the Executor, an A-wing crashed into the SSD’s weakened and unshielded bridge. This caused the ship to plot a course that would send it directly towards the DS.

  53. L-W May 5, 2009 at 9:13 am -      #53

    Also the Mon Calamari fleet, the backbone of the Rebellion, is one of the toughest in the galaxy; second in quality only to the Empire and considered equal to the former Trade Federation.

    If a dozen Mon Calamari Cruisers concentrate all fire on your ship, you better believe that you’re in trouble.

  54. TheSorrow May 5, 2009 at 9:45 am -      #54

    Thats what it was! Now I remember! I was sure it something like the bridge being destroyed, but I was not sure if it was that star destroyer.
    O and as for you Skrunks, did I do something to upset you? Because I’m pretty sure I was just fuming over the fact that the scene wasn’t as visually stunning as I thought it should be. I’m not as Star Wars savy as the other people in this post, so I have almost no knowledge of these things aside from the movies. I don’t get analytical about these things and I certainly can not calculate these numbers like L-W can. So don’t get bent out of shape just because someone posted something that made your panties get knotted up. Try and read the post over again and then come back to me instead of acting like royal prick. Oh and Matapiojo, nerd rage, that is pretty funny. He could have used a better way to end the Galactic Empire.

  55. L-W May 5, 2009 at 10:16 am -      #55

    “So don’t get bent out of shape just because someone posted something that made your panties get knotted up. Try and read the post over again and then come back to me instead of acting like royal prick.”

    What are you talking about? He made no insulting gesture or remarks towards you.

  56. TheSorrow May 5, 2009 at 12:10 pm -      #56

    O the whole thing about me not being able to justify these numbers by saying I have not been to college. What was he trying to say to me? Or was he talking to somebody else? I get confused sometimes about whether not a person is talking to me or someone else.

  57. Matapiojo May 5, 2009 at 2:21 pm -      #57

    “I get confused sometimes about whether not a person is talking to me or someone else.”

    …..ooooorrrrr your true colors and trolling tactics surfaced.

    I leave that determination to you, folks.

  58. the_man_with The_Answers May 5, 2009 at 4:23 pm -      #58

    Whatever, from now on just tell me I’m wrong in terms of physics and I’ll quit.

    Still all SW single ship fighters don’t work. I know too damn well that in space a single or whatever set of thrusters could never possibly “fly” that well in vaccum.

    Back on topic, if te SSD annhialates(sorry I’m in a hurry) the UNSC an covenant, it still has the sentinels, rebels, and flood to compete with. If all those sentinals joined together to make Onyx than I have no idea what sort of firepower it has. All I know is it woud be like some odd trillion times a normal sentinal. As for finding the rebels good luck. It took the SW empire ahwile while fully equipped to find the SW rebel bases. Finding the rebels scatered astriod bases is going to be hard.
    No the SSD can’t refuel. Obviously (from halo 3) The Ark is outside of the galaxy. Nothing from SW has every made it to another galaxy as far as I know. After the 8 years the SSD will be done and te rebels will ultimatly take over. Say the SSD could travel galaxies, It still wouldn’t know that The Ark exists, or even any of the halo rings. If it did find a ring than 343 guilty spark would pobably get them to fire it, the same way he tricked MC.

  59. the_man_with The_Answers May 5, 2009 at 4:24 pm -      #59

    TheSorrow, nothing was directed at you, ad I’m sorry L-W I was having a bad day.

  60. AlphaCommando May 5, 2009 at 5:14 pm -      #60

    Why would the SSD be unable to refuel? Is not food, food; water, water; and radioactive materials, radioactive materials? (seems the SSD’s reactor can be fed about any high-energy material)

    Well if you knew anything about space then you would know the absolute absence of particles to create friction against any form of backwards force can propel an object, especially considering the advanced thrust from the engines of the SW universe. Moderns jets (if they actually worked in space) could theoretically operate better in space then in atmosphere due to a lack of wind resistance, however the only way to steer would be via thrust vectoring (which SW fighters have), so yes; SW fighters would work very, very well.

    On that note; a man farting could propel himself through space…

  61. kniget May 5, 2009 at 5:17 pm -      #61

    to ‘the_man_with The_Answers’ there was a whole civilization that traveled from another galaxy (the yuu’zhan vong [sp?]) and the SW tech is from another galaxy, who knows, they developed a form of ‘anti-gravity’ obviously they are a hell of a lot more advanced than we are so like L-W said we cant possibly know the extent of their technology, we don’t even know what will be developed a hundred years in our future, the Old Republic lasted for several thousand years and our most primitive known civilizations are less than 10, to my knowledge (

  62. TheSorrow May 5, 2009 at 5:48 pm -      #62

    God I feel like such an idiot. I’m sorry if I insulted anyone. This happens to me a lot so its kind of frustrating.

  63. TheSorrow May 5, 2009 at 5:53 pm -      #63

    My true colors? Seriously? Look I didn’t see that the post was actually directed at the man with the answers. I was confused as to why he said that, so lay off a bit. It was a mistake and I will try not to do it again.

  64. EnigmaJ May 5, 2009 at 6:34 pm -      #64

    “Nothing from SW has every made it to another galaxy as far as I know. ”

    Ever heard of the Yuuzhan Vong?

  65. EnigmaJ May 5, 2009 at 6:53 pm -      #65

    “…..ooooorrrrr your true colors and trolling tactics surfaced.

    I leave that determination to you, folks.’

    I think he actually got alittle mistakened.

    In fact, at first when I read Alphacommander’s last post, I thought it was directed at me =P. I thought when he said “Anyway, I’m about as done with your crap Answer as I was with hotshot’s.”, that “Answer” was a reference to my arguments.

    But dont you guys think this is getting alittle out of hand?

    the_man_with_all_the_Answers >>> L-W
    L-W >>> the_man_with_all_the_Answers
    Alphacommando >>> the_man_with_all_the_Answers
    Skrunks >>> the_man_with_all_the_Answers
    TheSorrow >>> Skrunks
    Matapiojo >>> TheSorrow

    See what you’ve started…

  66. Dracosphinx May 5, 2009 at 6:59 pm -      #66

    now I can’t say that I know that much about explosive output or somesuch but I agree with L-W about the nova bomb. and if the halo rings did fire then all sentinent life would die, not just the SSD crew. Like someone early on said, why destroy the humans if you can show up at a 100 year losing war as the salvation of humans? or even annex the species of the covenant?

  67. EnigmaJ May 5, 2009 at 8:03 pm -      #67

    “On that note; a man farting could propel himself through space…”

    xD, that made me lol, just picturing it.

    Well… since the man shouldn’t be able to move in a vacuum ( and considering he doesn’t have thrust vectoring either xD ), all he’d accomplish is accelerating himself in the direction he’s already going.

  68. Dracosphinx May 5, 2009 at 9:10 pm -      #68

    if a person was out in space they would literally explode

  69. L-W May 5, 2009 at 10:05 pm -      #69

    “Why would the SSD be unable to refuel? Is not food, food; water, water; and radioactive materials, radioactive materials? (seems the SSD’s reactor can be fed about any high-energy material)”

    According to canon they utilize a type of exotic tachyonic matter known as Hypermatter, which as far as I know can only be obtained from Hyperspace leaks (Where ships have bypassed real and hyperspace). Although I’m positive that the Forerunner constructs posses a viable energy source to continuously power Imperial vessels, for as long as they don’t utilize anti-matter, which is several grades too weak to continuously power the reactor core.

    But I agree with you in every other respect; food, water, perishable and salvageable materials can be “bargained” for quite easily. Just point a big enough gun at the nearest colony and just watch as the supply ships come rolling in.

    – – –

    “Obviously (from halo 3) The Ark is outside of the galaxy. Nothing from SW has every made it to another galaxy as far as I know.”

    Yuuzhan Vong, the Chazrach, the Kwa, the Rishii (originating from the Rishi Maze), the Ssi-Ruuk, the Silentium and Abominor droid species which may have originated in the Yuuzhan Vong’s home galaxy and the sapient ship (and its pilot) Luke and Leia encountered. Even the Intergalactic Banking Clan have claimed territory in nearby galaxies.

    During the level “The Ark”, 343 Guilty Spark mentions that the Ark is 262,144 light years away from the center of the Milky Way. Given the right coordinates that’s less than a day in Hyperspace, just give a quick blast from the Ion cannon to deactivate the Sentinels and the expeditionary crew of the Imperial warship have free reign of Installation 00.

  70. chaostheory626 May 5, 2009 at 10:46 pm -      #70

    The ark is huge and probably has trillions of sentinels and I remember hearing in a halo novel that halo installations alone make a sentinel every 4 seconds over thousands of locations on the installation. Although I doubt the sentinels would try to stop reclaimers from going to the ark so the crew of the ship would be able to move about freely and have the ability to use the ark(in time) to build anything they need and also have a giant base of operations. Who needs the UNSC if they have the ark

  71. L-W May 6, 2009 at 12:53 am -      #71

    Using their own shipboard AI they could possibly even communicate with the fragmented remains of Mendicant Bias, coercing him into utilizing the Ark and other Forerunner constructs for purposes beyond the construction of the Halo array. By combing the super-engineering of the Forerunners with the destructive potential of Imperial technology, we begin to see a rather frightening series of events unfold.

    I like where this thread is going; what started off as an interesting diplomatic exchange between two technologically disparate tribes has become what is potentially the rapid ascension of humanity as galactic rulers in the Milky Way, superseding the Covenant in leaps and bounds to claim the mantle that the Forerunners left in their demise, as the Precursors did before them.

  72. Skrunks May 6, 2009 at 3:26 am -      #72

    chaostheory has a good point. Being Reclaimers, the SSD crew would have free reign of the entire Halo network anyway.

    “the_man_with_all_the_Answers >>> L-W
    L-W >>> the_man_with_all_the_Answers
    Alphacommando >>> the_man_with_all_the_Answers
    Skrunks >>> the_man_with_all_the_Answers
    TheSorrow >>> Skrunks
    Matapiojo >>> TheSorrow”

    Heh heh, how bout we just say ‘SSD > Halo’ and be done with the ‘who can destroy who’ debating.

  73. AlphaCommando May 6, 2009 at 4:50 am -      #73

    I always through that the Hypermatter was a “counterbalance” of sorts used in Hyperdrive motivators to help keep the ship intact during travel…hmm, my mistake.

  74. chaostheory626 May 6, 2009 at 11:43 pm -      #74

    Imperials plus forerunner engineering and production capabilities along with using the technology of forerunner weapons, mastery of gravitational forces and hyperspace (Dyson spheres) the crew of the SSD would be very lucky.

    Let me propose a question, or rather a situation.

    Ok lets say the SSD takes over or unifys the galaxy and the Covenant and humans both follow the Imperials and they also have control of the Forerunner Installations. Flash forward 300 years and the new galactic empire now has the means to use the Forerunner technology to create whatever they like and also they have began to understand the more intricate uses of the technology (like creating their own worlds like the forerunners or even Dyson Spheres). How do you think the new galactic empire would react to the arrival of forces from the Empire from which they came?( And I am suggesting that they came to take over the galaxy).

  75. the_man_with The_Answers May 7, 2009 at 7:18 pm -      #75

    Wow forunners and imperials meeting, that would be awsome. I don’t think the empire could stand the forunners in war. The shear amounts of sentinals would surely take down a single SSD, especially if they combined. But thats where diplomacy comes in. When I said the SSD couldn’t refuel I meant energy for the engines. Even I know that they could take food from the humans and even covenant. But still it would be awsome to see the empire, how should I say this…, comingal, with the forunners.

  76. the_man_with The_Answers May 7, 2009 at 7:24 pm -      #76

    Choastheory, maybe a moniter wouldn’t stop the reclaimers, but a sentinal might. They did after all attack the S-IIIs when the wrong counter-response was given. But even the Moniters will go against them if they don’t fire the rings. Then the shear trillions of sentinals would easily destroy them or chase them away, depiving them of the tech.

  77. RiseUp May 7, 2009 at 8:54 pm -      #77

    Chances are, the UNSC would appeal to the Star Destroyer for assistance in destroying the Covenant and the Flood. Consider this, you are the Imperial Admiral and you have just stumbled into a different universe and you can’t leave. You can either A)Kill everybody and die of old age
    B)Form an alliance with one of the groups and learn to coexist and eventually find a way home

    If they had formed an alliance with the UNSC, which is most likely considering the UNSC is all human, they would have noticed to potential threat to them and the rest of the Universe from the Flood, a symbiotic life form that feeds off of sentient beings of sufficient mass, and the threat posed to smaller planets in the Empire with weak defenses from the Covenant. Normally, I would support the UNSC but I wouldn’t mess with that thing.

  78. L-W May 7, 2009 at 11:17 pm -      #78

    Onyx Sentinels would certainly prove to be a threat. but not the ones present on the Ark. There would be no means of them achieving critical mass and thus contending with an SSD.

  79. EnigmaJ May 8, 2009 at 1:13 am -      #79

    “especially if they combined”

    Can somebpdy clarify? Can they do this =P

  80. L-W May 8, 2009 at 2:04 am -      #80

    Onyx Sentinels could form a dense superstructure to project a unified energy beam, capable of tearing through even Covenant vessels with apparent ease.

    Regular Sentinels (Those seen on the installations) have so far never demonstrated this ability, or have even replicated the firepower or energy shielding present in their Onyx counterparts. Here’s an artists rendering:

    images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/a/a9/Sentinel_firing_beam_by_PierceHart.jpg/120px-Sentinel_firing_beam_by_PierceHart.jpg

  81. the_man_with The_Answers May 8, 2009 at 7:14 pm -      #81

    Yes I am aware. I think forunner tech might be on the same page as SW tech. Certinaly on a far greater page than SW in terms of constuction. Would the new empire even find the Ark? Could they destroy the Flood? I doubt they could kill all the flood. I think the Forunners war with the flood spread completly from another galaxy. Too bad there won’t be anymore durasteel to manfacture stronger ships.

    What if total war was waged with the Onyx sentinals. I don’t think even blast from the death star would destroy it. I mean trillions of shields added together. That gives the new empire no chance consdering landing would be suicidal if Onyx already activated. That means no way to get to the seninal factory.

  82. EnigmaJ May 8, 2009 at 7:59 pm -      #82

    Why would you need to land on the planet when you can snipe it fom far outside the Forerunner’s accesible range? Why are you assuming that anyting SW’s would have to even get close to the Halo factions to properly engage them?

    And I think it mentioned already by L-W that even the Forerunner needed resources to build thier constructs. Where do you think all this material to bild trillions of sentinels are going to come from when all supply lines are blocked?

  83. RiseUp May 8, 2009 at 9:29 pm -      #83

    The Sentinel factory was located in a volcano on Onyx. And, also, Onyx was made completely of Sentinels. The Sentinels WERE the planet. All that was left of the world was the core, the Shield World per say. The Sentinel factory was gone. Earth was the location to the Ark so the Covenant couldn’t risk destroying it, which means the New Empire would eventually find out if they allied with the UNSC. Onyx was one of the Shield Worlds and as seen in Halo Wars, there are still Shield Worlds still out there, however there is one less. Of course, the game completely screwed up the concept of a Shield World with the fact that a UNSC ship was able to leave through a hole in the surface. But still, there are Shield Worlds out there. There could possibly be other Sentinels such as the Onyx Sentinels, but that’s just it, possibly doesn’t mean it’s out there.

  84. RiseUp May 8, 2009 at 9:31 pm -      #84

    Sorry for the double post but….

    “…snipe it fom far outside the Forerunner’s accesible range?”

    The Onyx Sentinels had a limited ability to jump long distances, and the distance was increased when Slipspace drives are activated as seen when the Covenant arrive above Onyx looking to claim the Forerunner technology.

  85. the_man_with The_Answers May 9, 2009 at 4:29 pm -      #85

    I don’t think anything the new empire has could even penetrate th combined shields. I don’t think the forunner’s sentinals needed supplys. By wat it looks like in the novels, they seem to be made from a energy —>mass conversion. Sentinals also learn at a progressive rate. Could the new empire ships even snipe the “planet”, I don’t think anyone knows the max range for that thing. I think the new empire and the sentinals will be pitched into a war. It will go like this:
    1)empire finds Halo ring/Ark
    2)empire retrieves Index
    3)They figure out what the rings do
    4)Moniters turn sentinals against empire
    5)Battles will be fought
    6)empire realizes that fighting a practically endless supply of sentinals is suicidal
    7)empire wihdraws from forrunner areas because they figure out sentinals are defensive units.

  86. RiseUp May 9, 2009 at 6:35 pm -      #86

    The SSD’s Ion Cannon could negate the effects of the Sentinels. As much as I wish Halo could win this, it won’t happen. That thing has way to much firepower and shields so strong nothing could penetrate it. Onyx Sentinels aren’t completely immune, the Covenant were able to wipe out quite a few with the combined strength of about 20 ships of various types. The rest of the Sentinels are pushovers, consider how easy they are to kill in all of the games, even on Legendary it’s possible to kill them easily with a pistol or a mauler. Onyx Sentinels would only last about 5 seconds longer compared to the rest of the Sentinel types considering the SSD has much stronger weapons than the Covenant.

  87. Aerialbomber May 9, 2009 at 7:53 pm -      #87

    Regardless, the UNSC has a few goodies at their disposal. I have to say i don’t know much about SSD, but I think if the Master Chief or some other spartans got into the SSD ship, they could take it (with the help of Cortana). Now, don’t flame me, but I think the UNSC, with enough firepower and a lot of luck, could pull it off.

  88. RiseUp May 9, 2009 at 8:42 pm -      #88

    Most of the Spartans from the SPARTAN II and SPARTAN III projects are dead. The II’s lost most of theirs at Reach and the III’s lost 2 groups at Covenant places of importance. The only Spartans left are Fred, Kelly, Linda, John, Ash, and a couple other Spartan IIIs. But, this is prior to Reach so….there would be no Spartan IIIs and the Spartan IIs would not yet have their Mark VI armor. There would be Spartan IIs but…consider the strengths of Imperial Stormtrooper armor and the power of their weapons. Any UNSC Pelicans, Longswords, anything, would be destroyed before they were close enough to board.

  89. Baron Somebody May 9, 2009 at 10:30 pm -      #89

    Rise Up, you better post in other sections damn it…I brought you here, and I can take you out as well (lol just kidding but still you should)

  90. L-W May 10, 2009 at 12:16 am -      #90

    Plus their shields would make it impossible for any boarding operation.

    “Could the new empire ships even snipe the “planet”, I don’t think anyone knows the max range for that thing.”

    Around 35,000,000 km, or 1.94579056 light minutes against large Capital ships, against a large stationary target such as the Ark (Which is several times the size of the Earth) they can triple or quadruple these figures easily.

  91. the_man_with The_Answers May 10, 2009 at 12:02 pm -      #91

    A single SSD against trillions of sentinals? If the were in small groups it could take them on easly. However trillions all together? A group of around 50 can compete with a covenant ship. Unless the SSD is 100 mllion times stronger than a covenant ship, I don’t think it could compete with a rapidly growing supply sentinals like Onyx.

    There were S-IIIs before the fall of Reach. Just not the same ones from the main part of Ghosts of Onyx.

  92. L-W May 10, 2009 at 1:37 pm -      #92

    You still seem incapable of differentiating between Onyx and regular Sentinels; otherwise make said distinction before other can refute.

    On another note, Ion Cannon. One blast and watch trillions of Sentinels fall apart gracefully as their propulsion devices crackle and disperse.

  93. the_man_with The_Answers May 13, 2009 at 6:28 pm -      #93

    If you shot Onyx with the Ion canon it would only hit the shields. Even then it wouldn’t fall apart. They are all connected. You might however stop it from moving around for ahwhile. But I’m still looking forwad to finding out if it can even get through Onyx’s shields, an I mean any weapon the SSD has. Also I want the range for those weapons and the range for Onyx. Wait a second!!!!!! Onyx won’t even be activted yet!!!!!!! It will be a planet.

    I want to see a SPARTAN with SW tech. That would be the ultimate killer.

  94. AlphaCommando May 13, 2009 at 7:22 pm -      #94

    “If you shot Onyx with the Ion canon it would only hit the shields. Even then it wouldn’t fall apart. They are all connected. You might however stop it from moving around for ahwhile. But I’m still looking forwad to finding out if it can even get through Onyx’s shields, an I mean any weapon the SSD has. Also I want the range for those weapons and the range for Onyx. Wait a second!!!!!! Onyx won’t even be activated yet!!!!!!! It will be a planet.”

    And you know this how? Sentinels are very weak to energy-based weapons in the first place, and while the Onyx Sentinels show great resistance to projectiles there aren’t even any scenes with them being shot with energy weapons, thus we have to fall back on what we do know; Sentinels (and their shields) fall easily via energy…
    Also; Ion Cannons can cripple ships the size of Star Destroyers in a few shots, with nearby blast dissipation frying any fighters or lesser ships nearby (without even needing a direct hit). Besides Ion Canons work on a principle of bypassing most of a shields effect in the first place, they mostly travel right through shields.

    Imperial Turbolasers have ranges in the light minutes (17,990,000,000,000 KM per LM) but no hard data on the Sentinels, but it seems fairly short (around 600,000 KM) as Covenant ships where able to engage them within their own firing range.

    Also; Onyx Sentinels have yet to show slipspace capability, so why would they even be a player in the first place?

    “I want to see a SPARTAN with SW tech. That would be the ultimate killer.”
    So what? Like a 501st legionnaire? Not all that impressive…

  95. the_man_with The_Answers May 13, 2009 at 9:28 pm -      #95

    Excuse me, I don’t think the 501st are as skilled as a S-II or as strong. How could one ever be that weak. Your basically adding each others strengths together.

    Lets take the shields, weapons, and range from a single Onyx sentinal, or twice the amount of a sentinal major from the games, and multiply it by around 2-5 trillion(because in the novel it said trillionS of sentinals). If it takes a couple shots on a ship the size of an SSD, than on something the size of a planet I would have to say considerably more shots would be required. A single beam from Onyx vaporized a covenant cruiser. Not only the ones up close, but the ones at range as well. Too bad for the SSD though. If they sent an exploration team to the surface, the SSD would probably hang in orbit. Once the team finds the shield world and activates it the SSD would probably be destroyed fairly quicklly.

  96. AlphaCommando May 14, 2009 at 3:44 am -      #96

    I was half-joking with the 501st crack. Tho don’t underestimate a Clone’s skills, both them and MC have training from a young age (birth for the Clone), modified genetics, biology and physiology and psychology. Tho completely skill-wise MC compares to a Clone Commando or ARC trooper. Tech-wise, well we already know where that lies.

    I’m still not totally concerned about numbers, a single SD can reduce a planet’s surface to slag, and an SSD is several SD’s combined, and alot of those canons are Ion canons. The superior range is still there, while Onyx sentinels are fast they have to close a massive gap to be able to hit the SD all the while the SSD picks away at their numbers. With each shot reducing their overall protection rating and firepower, its an exponential decline.

    It would also need a singular deployment of most of the sentinels that make up the surface of Onyx, which seems impractical seeing as how it took hours for the planet to deploy most of its sentinels to destroy Covanent forces. I will admit that the combined force of most of the planets Sentinels would pose a threat to the SSD, but they will most likely dribble into combat until the SSD has slagged the planet.

    Another factor that might not even bring up conflict of the SSD and any Forerunner forces for that matter, the fact that Humans would be recognized as reclaimers…

  97. L-W May 14, 2009 at 4:18 am -      #97

    Which once again even assumes that Onyx Sentinels are even players in this match, which due to their inability of utilizing FTL travel, would most likely not be.

    As for the SPARTAN program, I know in your little world you have an unspeakable infatuation for Master Chief that transcends the borders of fandom; but the Imperial military has put forth human soldiers far superior to that of the SPARTAN program with greater consistency and numbers. Just look at the Dark Trooper project as an example, I would put any amount of money on a Phase II Dark Trooper defeating a lone or group of SPARTAN-II units on almost every occasion.

    Amount of SPARTAN-II units in existence? Around thirty or so ever made.

    Amount of Phase-II units in existence? Countless, they can be mass produced by the thousands within a few years.

  98. the_man_with The_Answers May 17, 2009 at 11:13 am -      #98

    Well obviously a phase-2 dark trooper would take down SPARTANs. Maybe if te SPARTANs had SW tech they could take one down. Wait, weren’t darktroopers put out of commision due to the fear of another war against droids? Anyway, on an equal basis were SPARTAN and 501st troop have equal armour and wepons a SPARTAN would be supiorior. Now if they were on the same side and the SPARTAN had every advantage that an SW troop had, a SPARTAN would still be supiorior.

    Anyways, I never said Onyx would join the war.If you listened I said “when the new empire finds Onyx.” Not “Onyx will atack join the war.”

  99. L-W May 17, 2009 at 12:35 pm -      #99

    Only the Phase-III models were placed out of commission due to a Rebel attack at their construction facility, only a handful survived. The Phase-II models were frequently used throughout much of the Galactic civil war and beyond due to the fact that they are essentially just an augmented Clone Trooper with a ten foot tall exoskeleton.

    But apparently the subtlety of the point regarding technology goes clean over your head. If Master Chief was exposed to the technology present during the 25th century, he would not be what he is. Likewise, if the technology was not present in his respective universe, a Trooper would not even exist in the first place. Making assumptions on how any combatant would react when exposed to vastly disparate technologies is absolutely baseless.

    I also suggest you clean up your posts beforehand, that last one was just an incoherent mess.

  100. the_man_with The_Answers May 19, 2009 at 6:35 pm -      #100

    Sorry for the messes. My keyboard sucks and I try to get all of the mistakes, but I don’t get them all.

    Not all the dark troopers were destroyed? Well ok then that changes some things. But I hardly think an armour less SPARTAN is better than an armour less clone. I think, in a way, that makes a SPARTAN better wih the new tech, but only if he/she has practiced with it considerably.

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