Slave-I Vs Enterprise-D

Slave-I vs Enterprise-D

Excellent match here as we put the Federation’s mightiest ship against the cunning of one the the most notorious bounty hunters. For this match, if it’s fought in a cluttered area (asteroid field for example), the edge clearly goes to the Slave-I. Fett wouldn’t directly attack the Starship head on, but would most likely use hit and run techniques.

Who wins this?

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181 Comments on "Slave-I Vs Enterprise-D"

  1. OriginalA July 11, 2010 at 2:17 am -      #101

    I just watch the scene in question and for the most part Obi Wan was at least 100 meters away. The closest he got was a few ship lengths away from Slave 1 and Obi Wan’s ship is well over 5 meters in length so that puts the closest distance between the two at around 25 meters minimum. And Obi Wan was hit multiple times; it wasn’t until his shields failed and Jango scored a hit on Obi Wan’s hull did Boba exclame “we got him”.

  2. Neutrality July 11, 2010 at 2:51 am -      #102

    @picard
    I agree with originalA about both the distance and weapons fire

  3. Picard578 July 11, 2010 at 5:59 am -      #103

    Actually, distance was little less than length of Obi-Wan’s fighter.

  4. Neutrality July 11, 2010 at 6:35 am -      #104

    @picard
    hmmmthis distance was only ever reached for a measely 2 seconds of the entire engagement, all the while Jango managed to hit the athersprite multiple times,
    as previous people have said the shields blocked the damage and the single hit you described is the shot that penetrated the shields.

    this serves as a testment to the shielding of the athersprite and now i can see how flawed some of your arguments are

  5. Neutrality July 11, 2010 at 6:39 am -      #105

    woops my mistake i thought you said little more than the length of obiwans fighter
    but in seeing you said little less this changes my comment;

    this distance is never that close, geeze why can’t you just drop this whole flawed argument? and accept the (as you put it)
    boring Q win

  6. Siggymansz July 11, 2010 at 9:09 am -      #106

    “and accept the (as you put it)
    boring Q win”

    Just ignore the Local Retard

    Slave-1 Fo the FP award

  7. Picard578 July 11, 2010 at 10:03 am -      #107

    “Just ignore the Local Retard”

    OK, I’ll ignore you.

  8. Neutrality July 11, 2010 at 10:15 am -      #108

    *ignoring Picard5789*
    wow siggy this actually works…
    i second slave-1 for the FP award

  9. ZomBninjasamurai July 11, 2010 at 11:01 am -      #109

    chalk up another nomination for the Slave-1

  10. Who? July 11, 2010 at 2:07 pm -      #110

    I too must support the nomination for Slave I.

  11. kawika850 July 25, 2010 at 6:02 pm -      #111

    Slave I was scout ship (correct if I am wrong). Enterprise D is a multipurpose ship. it is warship, exploration ship, and diplomatic corps ship.
    Slave I is piloted by a very devious pilot.
    The Enterprise is piloted by a “super moral” commander.
    Slave I would use the asteroids to cover itself. the Enterprise D would stay out in the open.
    Slave I has all sorts of “hidden” surprises. Since it was designed as a pure Military ship from the beginning, it is a no bones ship. that makes a most customizable ship. If Picard (not the local Picard) were to perform the same “modifications” Fett did, he would be in a Fed Brigg. Customization can produce results the enemy may not like. A GCS comes stocked with standard items. I do not know if Picard (not the local Picard) has modified her or not. I would think not.
    Slave I also has a unique stealth capability. Could a GCS sensor detect it? What would happen if Slave I sneaked up on the Enterprise? It could do much damage before the Enterprise managed to get her shields up.
    What kind of shields does Slave I have? are they equal to a GCS shields?

  12. overlord July 25, 2010 at 6:41 pm -      #112

    If the Pillar of Autumn and Scar’s Cylon Raider were in this battle, it would be epic.

  13. Picard578 December 28, 2010 at 10:28 am -      #113

    E-D for award.

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  14. CIDE July 23, 2011 at 1:15 am -      #114

    “Star Trek Enterprise-D:

    Main phasers: 3.6 GW
    Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical
    Sublight acceleration: 1000G
    Operational range: 2750 light-years
    Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peak.
    Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6.
    Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6).”

    Figures from a non-canon book. Way to go for cherry picking…

    “Star Wars Slave-1:

    Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output).

    Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons).

    Sublight acceleration: 2500G.

    Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan’s starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).
    Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar).

    Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar).

    Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c). We also know that its hyperdrive engine is rated at being ten times faster than an Imperial Star Destroyer.”

    I would require proof for each of these.

    “Trust me as a long term member of the Stardestroyer.net debate itself,”

    This explains quite a bit.

    I’m re-inserting links that were provided by someone else in this debate that L-W refuted because he felt the man that wrote the two paragraphs on the site wasn’t reliable; even while providing evidence:

    www.st-v-sw.net/STSWasterosmack.html

    “This is an article about the relative power of blasters and turbolasers taken strictly from appearances in the first three Star Wars movies; A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. At a very conservative estimate, the Laser Cannons on a stock X-Wing Starfighter are 600 GW per laser blast. This is totally aside from any EU material. Simply from what we’ve seen onscreen, the X-Wing has enough firepower to toast the Enterprise D in 8 or 9 shots, which it can deliver in about 4 seconds. The Slave I is Boba Fett’s personal starship, outfitted with some of the most advanced weapons in the SW universe available for a small starship. Even if Boba’s Weapons were only 200 GW, 1/6th that of the X Wing, then that would still severely outclass the Enterprise. It pains me to say it, because I love the Enterprise D. It’s so elegant. But in all seriousness, the Enterprise vs. Slave 1 is the same scenario as the Enterprise vs. the Straleb, as mentioned above. Except, Enterprise is the one makine Boba Fett chuckle.”

    They work against solely tech manual numbers. Which are not only ULTRA low end but inconsistant with the series…

    ““I don’t know the author or know how he acted on a forum.”

    Credibility, minus ten points. Inability to grasp semantics, minus one hundred points. “

    Lulz. The author hardly matters when proof is involved. Even Mike and Chuck can be right some of the time.

    “It has three separate experimental shields alone, “

    Experimental. As in “untested”.

    Huh.

    “One of the shields is on par with a victory 1-class star destroyer, is it not?”

    Proof.

    “Anyway, I have a hard time believing the Enterprise would even be able to see the Slave 1 coming. With it’s sophisticated jamming systems, sensor mask, cloak field, etc. What keeps the Slave 1 from boarding the Enterprise then massacring the crew?It’s safe to assume that the Lord of the Hunt takes this victory.”

    SW sensors are notable crap compared to ST’s.

    “stardestroyer.net = pro star wars It’s full of pro-imperial propoganda
    likewise
    st-v-sw.net = pro star trek It’s full of pro-federation propoganda”

    Tu eres correcto!

    “Not only does this not vilify the chance that the Federation may suffer a state of technological stagnation within those few centuries, but makes the incorrect assumption that the Alliance/New Empire won’t advance to the status of a multi-galactic power and become a true Type IV civilization in the process.”

    The trend being in SW that even after several thousand years they just get bigger guns. Yep, that looks like a good way to jump to Type IV. Wheras in a few hundred years it’s canon that the Federation is a magitech using time jumping uber power. Hrmm..

    “The only issue with that is the limited array of weapons present on the aft and upper saucer sections of the Enterprise, which would prove to severely vulnerable to the rapidly maneuvering Slave-1. “

    Given the targeting capabilities to hit a tiny target at several hundred thousand kilometers away I don’t think hitting the Slave is going to be all that difficult.

    “…Fire his ion cannon, disable the ship, deactivate the anti-matter containment field surrounding the warp core and essentially turn the Enterprise into a glorified bomb casing. Without the containment field she’ll erupt like a miniature star, vaporizing the crew and their ship.”

    waaaiiiittt…that may work! Granted, the technology is already available in ST; I don’t know if there’s defenses against it. Aside from the Borg that is.

    “I agree. The ability to destroy a planet means nothing when compared to the ability to travel through and change time, which the Federation and many other species will be capable of in about 500 years.”

    As shown in canon planet busting tech already exists in that universe as-is already.

    “All bourbon is whisky, but not all whisky is bourbon…”

    -cough- Just watered down…

    “The weapons technology level in Star Wars still advances, weapons and some tech developed during the Vong war was quite a bit more powerful than Galactic civil war equivalents (especially it seems in droid design). The main issue is that technology is not a curve, it will curve then flatten out, then curve then flatten out because certain thresholds take a long time to advance past. The federation is in an expansion curve but will eventually level as they reach certain points. Admittedly they seem to be moving faster than Star Wars but we’re talking a couple thousand not 500 years.”

    Canon disagrees.

    “I don’t deal in speculation OR conjecture, so even discussing the matter on such a basis is nothing but futile to me.”

    That’s all you deal in.

    “3) What if humans unlocked the Infinity Gates, and undergo a metaphysical state of transcendent hyper-evolution as a result, literally raping the very concept of time and space itself (Thus making time travel impotent) with their new found powers?”

    Then they’d be dealing with Q instead.

    “Nowhere did I state that Time Ships did not exist, my only complaint is that reliable Star Wars canon only goes as far as 100ABY, so claiming that they would effectively reach Imperial levels within an equivalent time line is nigh ridiciuoulus when we know that:”

    The difference here is that you don’t know what’s going to happen in the SW timeline and anything you can propose is all conjecture. And yet you keep bringing it up. On the other hand we already know what happens in the coming centuries for Star Trek.

    “Now you’re just creating an abjuration effect.

    Thank you for trying to read my post, but you failed, try again in future.

    /major facepalm”

    And this didn’t counter the argument about you a single bit…

    “Those were high megajoule anti-personnel blasters (pretty obvious from their position on the Slave-I hull), the actual mid-ship guns used in combat were seen shattering and partially melting kilometer wide asteroids with ease, or did you fall asleep during one of the few exciting scenes in the entire snore fest that was Attack of the Clones?”

    And you can prove this, right?

    “A fast dive, then a sudden turn back up, then a sudden roll and bank to the right had the Jedi moving behind yet another hazardous kilometer of rock, but this time, instead of following, Jango cut in short of the rock and fired blindly, fracturing it along the center.”

    -chinscratch- This seems to contradict the movie. Huh…

    “Admittedly we only see a few ~100m rocks shatter in the film, but considering that Slave-I was firing for a solid few seconds, no doubt a few off screen asteroid bit the proverbial dust.”

    And your answer is…conjecture.

    “f it were for movies, Slave I cannot possibly get award – it was incapable of hitting Jedi fighter 10 meters dead ahead. It still had impressive rate of fire, thought. Plus, ST weapons are much stronger, unless we go for EU kids tales.”

    To be fair the fighter was tiny. Hardly a good comparison between that and the E-D.

    “E-D for award.”

    Agreed. Even if with further calculations it puts this closer to the stomp range.

  15. Sauroposeidon August 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm -      #115

    “Canon disagrees.”
     
    Just to contest you there, technology does march on.. just.. at the speed of smell. It seems political and corporate pressures might be a cause of this, as I refuse to believe humans of all species are simply too stupid to make advances in technology.
     
    Primary comparison being the old laser cannons used during the clone wars being supposedly weaker than the newly developed turbo lasers.. which I guess is supposed to explain how those huge Lucrehulks bristling in weapons and armed with thousands of fighters that are cited as being better than the clones to a point of being virtually undefeatable actually were sank by those Acclimator star destroyers. The X-1 Viper droids something like what? 30 years later? Had the fire power of very large ships and they were not very large either. That’s the fastest tech growth I can think of in SW though.
     
    There’s also the Astromech advancement pace which happened very quickly with the R-series.. it just took damn near forever for someone to come up with the R-series.
     
    In the end it’s not a good track record, but it does happen. Just sayin’,
     
    I don’t get what this has to do with the fight though.
     
    Also…
     
    Why did someone pitch a somewhat modified police cruiser up against the rough equivalent of a battle cruiser? That doesn’t very fair to me..

  16. CIDE August 23, 2011 at 12:04 am -      #116

    ““Canon disagrees.”
     
    Just to contest you there, technology does march on.. just.. at the speed of smell. It seems political and corporate pressures might be a cause of this, as I refuse to believe humans of all species are simply too stupid to make advances in technology.
     
    Primary comparison being the old laser cannons used during the clone wars being supposedly weaker than the newly developed turbo lasers.. which I guess is supposed to explain how those huge Lucrehulks bristling in weapons and armed with thousands of fighters that are cited as being better than the clones to a point of being virtually undefeatable actually were sank by those Acclimator star destroyers. The X-1 Viper droids something like what? 30 years later? Had the fire power of very large ships and they were not very large either. That’s the fastest tech growth I can think of in SW though.
     
    There’s also the Astromech advancement pace which happened very quickly with the R-series.. it just took damn near forever for someone to come up with the R-series.”

    I gotcha.  It does still progress.  The problem seems to be the rate that it progresses.  It took several thousand years to get a stronger version of the same weapon.  Compare that to Star Trek and in just 500 years they have transgalactic warp drives and can reliably time travel with the push of a button.  It’s even common enough that they have to have a police for it.

    “Why did someone pitch a somewhat modified police cruiser up against the rough equivalent of a battle cruiser? That doesn’t very fair to me..”

    I think people just wanted to show that shit off.  As in the ST vs SW. 

  17. Picard578 January 3, 2012 at 2:14 pm -      #117

    “actually were sank by those Acclimator star destroyers”

    Venators, if you go by movie, and even then, it was several SD’s engaging one battleship.

  18. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm -      #118

    I vote Slave.

  19. ZomBurger January 3, 2012 at 2:24 pm -      #119

    I second that vote.

  20. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:27 pm -      #120

    Thirded

  21. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 2:30 pm -      #121

    Thr E-D One shots the silly little craft before it gets close to being in range.

  22. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 2:37 pm -      #122

    Fourthed.

  23. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:38 pm -      #123

    Fifthed

  24. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 2:40 pm -      #124

    infinitythed

  25. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:40 pm -      #125

    “infinitythed”

    How old are you five?

  26. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 2:41 pm -      #126

    Sixed.

  27. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm -      #127

    “infinitythed”

    “How old are you five?”

    Also note how he threw his infinity vote in with our votes for Slave1……..

  28. tau43 January 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm -      #128

    Seventhed

  29. SgCombine January 3, 2012 at 2:45 pm -      #129

    Eighth :D

  30. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:46 pm -      #130

    “Also note how he threw his infinity vote in with our votes for Slave1……..”

    LOL

  31. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 2:47 pm -      #131

    “infinitythed”

    “How old are you five?”

    Also note how he threw his infinity vote in with our votes for Slave1……..

    —————-

    You and your idiot buddies are the biggest most pitiful cunts i have ever met.

    —-

    To be clear i am voting for the E-D not the silly little piece of shite from SW.

  32. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 2:49 pm -      #132

    Ninthed.

    “You and your idiot buddies are the biggest most pitiful cunts i have ever met.”
    Somebodys jealous that he doesn’t have buddies.,….

  33. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm -      #133

    “You and your idiot buddies are the biggest most pitiful cunts i have ever met.”

    Somebodys jealous that they don’t have friends

    Tenthed

  34. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 2:51 pm -      #134

    Somebodys jealous that he doesn’t have buddies.,….

    I have them i just do not need to rely on them like you do because your arguments suck shit.

  35. ZomBurger January 3, 2012 at 2:52 pm -      #135

    “You and your idiot buddies are the biggest most pitiful cunts i have ever met.”

    Thats rather harsh mate.


    “To be clear i am voting for the E-D not the silly little piece of shite from SW.”

    FUHK!! I already tallied your vote for Slave-1…

  36. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:53 pm -      #136

    @ZomB
    He put infinity votes toward Slave-1!

  37. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 2:53 pm -      #137

    Eleventhed.

    “I have them”
    Picard doesn’t count and neither does your sticky model of the Enterprise.

  38. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 2:54 pm -      #138

    Thats rather harsh mate.

    Considering we yet again have the same pair of cunts trolling this thread like they have others id say its more accurate than harsh.

    ————————————-

    FUHK!! I already tallied your vote for Slave-1…

    Miss post 121 did ya?

  39. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm -      #139

    “Picard doesn’t count and neither does your sticky model of the Enterprise.”

    Nor does that sex doll of Kirk with a dildo on it count

  40. tau43 January 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm -      #140

    “To be clear i am voting for the E-D not the silly little piece of shite from SW.”
    -That POS has sonic charges. And those F*** up asteroids.

  41. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm -      #141

    That POS has sonic charges. And those F*** up asteroids.

    A weapon thats effect is on a simple 2d plane and as such can be avoided by even slight course correction…LOL.

    This fight is over before the SW piece of crap even gets into range, and even if the fight started inside the sl;ave-1’s range it still lack the firepower to even scratch the E-D’s shields.

    This match is beyond a stomp.

  42. Gluttonous-Behemoth January 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm -      #142

    EMOboy…What did I literally just tell you?

  43. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 3:01 pm -      #143

    “Nor does that sex doll of Kirk with a dildo on it count”
    Yeah that too.

  44. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 3:06 pm -      #144

    Slave 1 for the FP Award +1

  45. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:06 pm -      #145

    “EMOboy…What did I literally just tell you?”

    Summat along the lines of you ignoring the cunts that start the trouble by trolling threads and instead pestering me about replying in kind was’nt it?

  46. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:07 pm -      #146

    E-D stomps in fact beyond stomps.

  47. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 3:09 pm -      #147

    Twelved.

  48. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 3:09 pm -      #148

    Thirteenthed Slave 1 for the FP Award

  49. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:15 pm -      #149

    20th vote for the E-D stomping the SW piece of crap.

  50. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 3:15 pm -      #150

    But you voted infinity times for the Slave-1! You can’t vote for 2 combatants!

  51. Gluttonous-Behemoth January 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm -      #151

    Rather I believe it went along the lines of Chastising you for encouraging their less than stellar behavioural attributes and your tendency to spout unwarranted profanities like an Eight year Old Child that watched an R-rated Movie on T.V. while his parents were asleep and now thinks he’s a fethin’ Boss.

    A Fool is a man who falls into a fire because he didn’t watch his step. An even Greater Fool is the man who follows him down just to tell him how stupid he was.

    Guess which one I’m referencing you as. Far as I can be concerned, you are the more childish here, and infinitely more foolish because you respond to baited hooks like a blubbering catfish.

  52. StealthRanger January 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm -      #152

    Alright i’ll stop. If it keeps him away from ELdrad vs Luke

  53. ZomBurger January 3, 2012 at 3:17 pm -      #153

    “A Fool is a man who falls into a fire because he didn’t watch his step. An even Greater Fool is the man who follows him down just to tell him how stupid he was.”

    Call me a greater fool then…

  54. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:19 pm -      #154

    A Fool is a man who falls into a fire because he didn’t watch his step. An even Greater Fool is the man who follows him down just to tell him how stupid he was.

    —-

    What about the third guy he must be a real idiot right?.

    Guess who qualifies for that position.

    Do yourself a favor and harass the assholes starting the trouble as they are the ones who vale having “buddies” pointing out their trouble causing will mean losing all but the trolls just like them.

  55. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 3:22 pm -      #155

    Infinity to Slave-1.

  56. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:23 pm -      #156

    infinity^infinity to E-D stomping the piece of crap from SW.

  57. Gluttonous-Behemoth January 3, 2012 at 3:25 pm -      #157

    Actually I’ll do ya one better and Ignore you all.

  58. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 3:28 pm -      #158

    “infinity^infinity to E-D stomping the piece of crap from SW”
    Look, EMOs spouting more bullshit numbers.

  59. EMOboy January 3, 2012 at 3:30 pm -      #159

    Look, EMOs spouting more bullshit numbers.

    Look NZ is spouting crap about shit he does not understand.

    —-

    infinity^infinity to E-D stomping the piece of crap from SW.

  60. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 3:33 pm -      #160

    “Look NZ is spouting crap about shit he does not understand.”
    Scans or it didn’t happen.

  61. CIDE January 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm -      #161

    “I vote Slave.”

    Based on…?

  62. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 8:26 pm -      #162

    “I vote Slave.”

    “Based on…?”
    Why was I the only guy you adressed?

  63. CIDE January 3, 2012 at 8:30 pm -      #163

    Generalized question directed at anyone on the side of Slave-I.

  64. NEGATIVE-ZERO January 3, 2012 at 8:32 pm -      #164

    Oh, SURE it was….

  65. CIDE January 3, 2012 at 8:50 pm -      #165

    “Star Wars Slave-1:

    Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output).

    Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons).

    Sublight acceleration: 2500G.

    Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan’s starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).
    Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar).

    Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar).

    Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c). We also know that its hyperdrive engine is rated at being ten times faster than an Imperial Star Destroyer.”

    There’s the Slave-I data posted by L-W. With a source for once.

    Compare 12 gigatons max for the Seismic charge (how many of these are carried?) to the 1-15 gigaton torps of the E-d. Only difference is E-D has 250 of these.

    And posted ranges from Essential Weapons guide for space vessels in SW is pathetic. A few thousand kilometers at best.

    Picard’s calcs for phasers are actually on the low end (he provided them above) for what I’ve seen for phasers at a few hundred megatons per shot. Blows the Slave-I’s blaster out of the water too. In fact it’d take 15 seconds of firing to match.

    In fact it seems the only advantage Slave-I has is FTL travel. Which doesn’t help at all in this match.

    E-D for the FP +1.

  66. Aelfinn January 6, 2012 at 4:11 pm -      #166

    Speed facts about Slave I from The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels:
    Maximum Speed: 2,500 G/ Class 1 Hyperdrive/ 1,000 KPH.

    That goes in the order of Acceleration/ Hyperdrive/ Speed in an atmosphere.

    The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology on the Seismic Charge:
    Optimum Range: 300 m. Maximum Range: 500 m.

    Admittedly, it does say that “The resulting explosion creates a massive and rapidly expanding shock wave that can effortlessly slice through asteroids, enemy starships, and space stations. Deflector shields do not protect against this shock wave…”

    However, Star Wars shields and Star Trek shields ARE different. Very different. So different that Star Wars shields have to go down for the split-second it takes to fire. Not to mention that Star Trek sensors + weapons could easily destroy the mine before it got in range.

  67. CIDE January 6, 2012 at 10:28 pm -      #167

    Now that you bring up the range of things I have to rescind my call on the award. Stomp match is a stomp…

  68. BC January 9, 2012 at 7:00 pm -      #168

    “ “Star Wars Slave-1:
    Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output).
    Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons).
    Sublight acceleration: 2500G.
    Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan’s starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).
    Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar).
    Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar).
    Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c). We also know that its hyperdrive engine is rated at being ten times faster than an Imperial Star Destroyer.” “

    Ignoring weapons yields for now since they are topics of hot debate that could take pages of post all on their own, here are some figures for a Galaxy class ship to compare:

    Sublight acceleration: 3,052,397.95G (actually that is for an old Constitution class cruiser based on Sulu calling off the percentage of light speed by tens as they were chasing the Gorn ship in ‘Arena’ out of the Cestus III system where each 10% of lightspeed increment occurred approximately every second. Modern ships like the Galaxy class are supposed to be faster than a Connie).

    Operational range: Unknown, but as it is a very long endurance exploration ship (and in wartime a cruiser-armed troop carrier from what was shown in the Dominion war) and deployments could apparently be long enough to justify the risk of the crews families being aboard in peacetime missions it would imply that it is at least years of operation. Since Voyager which was not outfitted for missions long enough to justify families aboard saw no particular problem with keeping the ship fueled and operational for 80 years or so it is safe to assume the Enterprise-D would not have a problem with that timeframe either (this of course ignores the fact that Voyager should have been able to make the trip in two years at its listed cruising speed but Paramount decided that was not dramatic enough).

    Reactor power: Top end unknown, but in “True Q” while the ship was essentially idling Data mentioned that the warp core was currently producing “12.75 billion gigawatts” and the flashing of the warp core was in its slow pattern as a visual confirmation that it was not running at anywhere near full capacity or even the output it normally does at cruise speed in warp.

    As for Slave-1 actually getting a hit on the Enterprise regardless of what its weapons power may be, the arc of possible fire solutions to a fighter tens of meters in front of it (which despite a laughably high rate of fire it failed to hit) is huge compared to the arc of something even as large as a Galaxy class kilometers away, much less a few hundred thousand kilometers. On the other hand even an old Connie can bullseye a one meter long roughly octagonal oblong robot at 90,000 kilometers. The Nebula class USS Phoenix had a duel with a Cardassian Warship at somewhere around 300 thousand kilometers and then killed the supply ship it was defending using what appeared to be from the relative timing two different weapons systems (the photon torpedoes for the warship and possibly phasers for the supply ship). The following is dialog from the script of “the wounded”:

    “DATA: Sir, the Cardassian warship is moving on the Phoenix.
    PICARD: Mister Data, overlay weapon ranges of the two ships.
    DATA: The warship is three hundred thousand kilometres from the Phoenix. It is opening fire. The Phoenix has taken a direct hit. The Phoenix is beginning evasive manoeuvres. It has positioned itself outside the weapons range of the opposing ship. The Phoenix has powered up both phasers and photon torpedoes. The Phoenix is firing photon torpedoes.
    (and one of the lights on the screen goes out)
    MACET: He has destroyed our warship.
    PICARD: Does the supply ship have any weapons?
    MACET: Very limited. Certainly not enough to defeat a Nebula class starship.
    DATA: Sir, the Phoenix is firing on the
    (another light goes out)
    MACET: The warship carried a crew of six hundred, the supply ship, fifty.”

    Data was speaking in his usual pace and did not pause for very long between any of those updates so the range could not have changed much from the 300,000 kilometers. Slave-1 seems to be hardly capable of hitting the Enterprise if it was in the Enterprises shuttle bay much less be able to match the long range precision that Starfleet takes for granted.

    +1 for Enterprise-D

  69. doggywarning October 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm -      #169

    L-W those are crap, if Picard he would lock a tractor beam on that bucket of bults and ram it.

  70. Sauroposeidon October 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm -      #170

    L-W no longer frequents this website, Doggy.

  71. OriginalA October 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm -      #171

    There is so much about post 168 that is so wrong that could be dismissed with evidence to back it up but I don’t have the collection of data on hand.

    I do know that Voyager damn well could not make the trip in 2 years, and that the 70 year trip is consistant with TNG when the E-D was sent outside of the galaxy and Data said that it would take [whatever velocity] that happens to coincide with Voyager’s speed requiring 70 years to make their trip.

    The point there being that Star Trek ships have an absurdly high top speed, but a considerably lower endurance at those speeds. For long distance trips they go way slower.

    And Voyager did have a problem with fuel for the first two seasons.

    I doubt the max acceleration figure to since there are a number of times that would have been handy and then we are treated with the sight of the E-D moving like a beached whale.

  72. Sauroposeidon October 25, 2012 at 1:16 pm -      #172

    I don’t see anything wrong with the numbers. When moving at warp speeds, trek ships tend to have very low relative velocities to one another. They can’t really maneuver. That’s why they tend to slug it out like battleships or submarines at warp, but more like light cruisers and fighter/bombers when at sublight speeds, often missing at even close range, ranges I’m sure they’d consider point blank.

  73. Sauroposeidon October 25, 2012 at 1:20 pm -      #173

    Well, not all the numbers. I tend to take issue with TOS numbers as many times ships in TOS seem to be much more capable than later Trek ships. Especially early on in the series where a phaser blast could life wipe continents and such. I feel Trek was very progressive for treating war much more realistically half the time (and the other half it was silly nonsense, like their actual ground fight with the Gorn). But over time it got.. hollywoodized.. With the vehicles doing what people likely felt were more acceptable feats for dramatic purpose. So I take TOS numbers and feats with a grain of salt, especially first season stuff.

  74. Cananatra October 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm -      #174

    Roddenberry decanonised anything in TOS that contradicts later series, so most of the numbers we can get from it are unsound.

  75. BC November 1, 2012 at 2:31 am -      #175

    ” Roddenberry decanonised anything in TOS that contradicts later series, so most of the numbers we can get from it are unsound. ”

    Roddenberry would capriciously canonize and decanonize things all the time, and lead to the term “Rodenberry canon” which was constantly changing with his whims. Of course, in his last public statement he said it was all canon in its own way which is how Abrams’s 2009 caricature of Star Trek was justified. On the other hand the last official word on canon was that all live action episodes and movies were canon and that the cartoon was quasi-canon and only valid where it did not conflict with the live action stuff. Books are non-canon though occasionally parts of them were made canon by inclusion of things from the books in the live action shows.

    “ There is so much about post 168 that is so wrong that could be dismissed with evidence to back it up but I don’t have the collection of data on hand. “

    What exactly do you consider to be so wrong about it?


    “ I do know that Voyager damn well could not make the trip in 2 years, and that the 70 year trip is consistant with TNG when the E-D was sent outside of the galaxy and Data said that it would take [whatever velocity] that happens to coincide with Voyager’s speed requiring 70 years to make their trip. “

    The two year figure is not mine, it came from an article about the making of the Voyager series and the show almost did not get approved because of the fact that it makes no sense speed and time wise. Originally the thought was to stretch it out to five years with all the stops, detours, and other slowdowns but the executives did not think it would have enough drama that way and so arbitrarily made it a 70 year trip.

    The galaxy is divided into four sections like a circle with an X across it and the ships cross the alpha (which contains the Federation and Cardassian Union among others) and beta (home of the Klingons and Romulans) quadrants on a regular basis without taking decades to do so, so it does not make sense for it to take so long simply going from delta to beta and beta to alpha. Does it take 70 years for the Klingons leave beta and cross alpha to get to DS9 for the Dominion war? Why would it take Voyager (a fast Intrepid class destroyer no less (or cruiser; like the American Ageis class it gets called both at different times)) so long to make the same distance the Klingons have to go for the wormhole shindig? Admittedly there are no mapped out fast routes (similar to the SW trade routes) so it would take a little longer, but not decades longer.

    As for the TNG thing with the extragalactic trip, distances between galaxies are huge compared to distances across galaxies.


    “ I doubt the max acceleration figure to since there are a number of times that would have been handy and then we are treated with the sight of the E-D moving like a beached whale. “

    Sulu was calling off the numbers onscreen which makes it hard data from a canon source. As for the beached whale, that was usually when the E-D was in orbit with its engines off and so it was maneuvering on thrusters (and Trek is not the most consistent show for feats anyway, especially since it ran for so long so the outliers build up). Besides, E-D was a Galaxy class which is a bloated whale of a ship any way you look at it since it was designed for very long endurance with not just crew but also dependents on board instead of performance; while reasonably fast for something that big it maneuvered like a ruptured duck compared to almost every other cruiser in the show. Further complicating things is that there are three different ways to accelerate (thruster, impulse and warp) and each has vastly different characteristics. E-D never seemed to warp straight out from orbit like the smaller ships often do, always moving out on impulse a ways first instead like they were afraid of damaging the planet or something which does not help either.

  76. Dassadec February 11, 2013 at 10:29 pm -      #176

    E-D +1

  77. ultimalynx August 9, 2013 at 12:55 pm -      #177

    “Lasers do mess with shields in later episodes; for instance, Borg cutting lasers go through Galaxy-class shields like a knife through butter.”

    This is BS right here. The only reason the lasers got through to the hull is because the shields were drained beforehand.

  78. Sauroposeidon August 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm -      #178

    The cutting lasers don’t seem to care too much about shields, to be honest, just the other borg weapons have issues.

    On top of that.. there’s no reason to think that if a laser has strong enough feats that it could not carve through a ship anyways, no matter what they say about lasers.

    Just because their lasers suck in Trek doesn’t mean lasers have that strength limit in another franchise.

  79. BC August 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm -      #179

    I do not think the “suck” part is intrinsic to lasers themselves in Trek, it seems to be more a case of natural progression of the tech tree they use. By the time someone has enough energy generation capability to feed a laser enough to be a danger to a modern Trek ship they almost invariably have developed beam or bolt weapons that are more efficient and have more advantages to warp driven ships than a laser does.

    Even the Borg laser is probably not generated by bouncing light of one frequency (and attenuating all others) back and forth until it drops into sync. It is more likely to be a spontaneous emission of coherent photons from some quantum field effect source.

  80. Jazzt99 November 14, 2013 at 4:34 am -      #180

    Enterprise D +1
    And the Borg Cutting Beam Was Combatted with ablative armour

  81. Garfuncle February 13, 2014 at 2:17 am -      #181

    That LW tool spouted such a load of wank. Blasters the size of aircraft mounted weapons doing THAT many gigatons of damage? It’s not like sketchy EU nonsense could ever be total bunk? Give me a break. Also that asteroid argument posted on some forsaken site God know’s how many years ago is also a load of bullocks. Talk about cherry picking. Yes, let’s compare that one instance where Photon Torpedoes weren’t as effective against asteroids as an overblown CGI effect from a shit movie. Let’s forget all the instances of Constitution class Heavy Cruisers threatening to obliterate the entire surface of a planet. Let’s forget the several episodes of Phasers and Torpedoes cutting thousands of kilometers deep into planetary crusts.

    E.G www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU4lYIuvg58

    An eight second barrage from a small flotilla annihilated 30% of the surface of an area roughly the size of North America.

    Yeah. Those aircraft-sized blasters sure sound sketchy, right?

    Enterprise D fucking vaporizes Bubba Fett before he can fondly recall cradling daddy’s severed head.

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