Hellboy & Dante Vs Venom & Spawn

Hellboy & Dante Vs Venom & Spawn

Well, this should make for a fun match. All of these characters on their own can present trouble for any opponent. Paired up with a common objective, which of these teams do you think would win the match?

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143 Comments on "Hellboy & Dante Vs Venom & Spawn"

  1. Space marine April 14, 2009 at 4:06 am -      #1

    I….I don’t know….Actually…

  2. Matapiojo April 14, 2009 at 6:24 am -      #2

    Very interesting. Simbiotes vs Devil-offspring

    I’m leaning toward the devil team, but Spawn is one tough customer to deal with. I’ll re-visit this one at a later point.

  3. demongrave April 14, 2009 at 6:51 am -      #3

    I say Venom and Spawn win here. They’re both incredibly strong and agile, Dante is too, but Hellboy lacks in the agility department. Which would slow Dante down and he would most likely have to go against both of them at the same time sooner or later in the battle. Also Venom and Spawn can regenerate instentaniously, so the bullets and other weapons that Hellboy and Dante use wouldn’t have much of an effect on them. So with that said Venom and Spawn own Hellboy and Dante.

  4. Rob (Expertimp) April 14, 2009 at 8:54 am -      #4

    I say Spawn and Venom win this one. Spawn vs either of them alone would be too much for both Hellboy or Dante individually so I’d say with the added help of Venom they should be able to pull out a win.

    Winner: Spawn and Venom

  5. Albert Wikowonkavitz April 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm -      #5

    Venom…huge non-factor in this. He’s just a dude with alien sticky stuff on him. Spawn, however, whoops the ass with his hell powers against the gun guys.

  6. Thepocalypse April 14, 2009 at 2:08 pm -      #6

    Dante = Not a terribly huge threat.
    Hellboy = Low level hellspawn.

    Spawn = One of the most powerful hellspawn.
    Venom = Like a cool looking mini Hulk.

    Guess who wins.

  7. Thepocalypse April 14, 2009 at 3:52 pm -      #7

    @Albert
    Yeah, a guy who’s battled a pre-WWH Hulk to a standstill is a non-factor.

  8. flyboy51 April 14, 2009 at 8:36 pm -      #8

    Im putting Venom and Spawn ftw…they’re faaaaaaarrrr more powerful than the other two.

  9. Master Arbiter(Spartan G44) April 14, 2009 at 9:43 pm -      #9

    Spawn is cool. Venom is Epic. So they win.

  10. Scout April 20, 2009 at 2:01 am -      #10

    Have any of you played DMC5?! Dante gets impaled by a sword and pinned to a wall, and isnt even remotly phased by it! admitedly Hellboy is kinda pathetic, but he is more than capable of destroying venom, on countless occasions venom has been utterly destroyed by guns. let alone Hellboys guns. So here it is, Hellboy uses that insanely powerfull gun of his to vaporise venom, (if not he’ll jus clang some big bell) while Dante and Spawn face off in the most epic battle known to mankind.

  11. demongrave April 21, 2009 at 6:33 am -      #11

    Venom can regenerate at a high rate. I think he’ll withstand a bullet from Hellboy, that’s if Hellboy can shoot Venom. I mean Hellboy’s aim kinda sux, and Venom has awsome agility so It won’t be as straighforward as you think. Plus Venom has that psychic scream of his.

  12. Albert Wikowonkavitz April 21, 2009 at 9:58 am -      #12

    Characters in the Marvel universe are inconsistent. I mean one minute you’re beating up the Hulk or something, and then you’re getting easily beat by a girl with squirrels. I think you’ve got to take a lot of stuff with a grain of salt. I think the other dudes aren’t as smart as Spider-Man, but they aren’t dumb, and might be able to outsmart Eddie Brock. I still said your side won, though…Spawn would be the major part of the victory.

  13. Albert Wikowonkavitz April 21, 2009 at 10:07 am -      #13

    I dunno, I think I might have remembered Venom wrong. At any rate, if this fight were Spawn VS Venom, Venom would get beaten badly.

  14. demongrave April 22, 2009 at 6:30 am -      #14

    I have to agree with you there. Venom may be able to regeenrate, but that’s nothing compared to Spawn’s regeneration. Spawn would definetly win.

  15. anakin skywalker May 21, 2009 at 4:24 am -      #15

    i go for the second team it has venom and venom is not realy smal the spider man 3 movie is wrong venom is like so muck buffer and biger

  16. anakin skywalker May 21, 2009 at 4:25 am -      #16

    Ya so ya the second team will win

  17. Jwlynas July 4, 2009 at 4:59 pm -      #17

    See, i’m forced as ever to go against the flow here. Dante, for all he looks like a bit of a girly man, is insanely fast, skillful, powerful and i’m fairly sure he’s immortal if we’re going off FMV rather than Gameplay. Any one should always go off FMV over gameplay.

    Hellboy, Son of The Devil, Harbinger of the end of days, again a very powerful force. He’s defeated most every mythical being you can name, and a fair few you can’t.

    Spawn, if we’re going for the most powerful version, is still fairly even when it comes to comparisons to Dante. Hellboy verse Venom is harder to call, but with the good armaments and that fist, i think its all in hellboys favour

  18. DivineChaos88 July 14, 2009 at 12:05 pm -      #18

    I think team 1 would win this.

  19. Dante Chief July 30, 2009 at 8:48 am -      #19

    If Dante and Hellboy team up then all hell will literally break loose. So they win.

  20. REAPER3fitty August 13, 2009 at 4:45 am -      #20

    dante would beat all 3 of them if he wanted to.

    1. he has royal guard which blocks all attacks
    2. he has juggernaught (or something like that) which makes him invulneable
    3. he has devil trigger which makes him a full immortal demon and give him a huge damage boost and turns his bullets into magic bolts
    4. he has multiple sords that can destroy the demon fire lord
    5. he has gilgamesh which turns all organic material into extremely hard steel
    6. styles of fighting that any one can kill team 2
    7. is IMMORTAL
    8. defeated the immortal emperor of hell
    9. can stop time
    10. is super strong
    11. lucifer which is a sword that throws red energy blades into the enemy and detonate inside of the enemy. and detonation produces heat. what is venoms weakness sound and what. exactly
    12. has instant regenerative abilities.
    13. and finally pandora which has 666 different forms one of which is the box opens and a white ligh shines and kills any enemy dante is fighting. if you dont belive me look up dmc4 pandora.

    all of this proves that dante can take on team 2 by himself now hellboy is just an added bonus to the fight.
    if anybody can tell me how team 2 will counter this by all means show me.

    if not team 1 wins

  21. nijuka September 22, 2009 at 6:34 am -      #21

    Spawn has this on his own. has a unlimited number of powers. limited only to his imagination. he could easily take out hellboy from a distance while avoiding dantes attacks. Dante is powerful but he has never been chopped up and dismembered.

  22. gawdofwar October 10, 2009 at 12:06 am -      #22

    in the end of i think spawn comics he becomes more powerfull then both god and satan ya spawn wins aganist all 3

  23. xDDDDD November 26, 2009 at 5:33 pm -      #23

    Dante is so powerfull half-demon and Hellboy when he say his name can turn in to real demon Anung Un Rama and get unknow powers, a sonic weapon can beat Venom and holy bullet from hellboy’s gun can beat Spawn :)

  24. rex13 February 8, 2010 at 11:43 pm -      #24

    damn why put venom there not a very huge threat im going to the gunslingers dante may be near spawn in power hellboy well hell i cant say he can b kiled wel spawn heck his the most powerful of all

  25. Darkbladex96 February 9, 2010 at 11:18 pm -      #25

    “damn why put venom there not a very huge threat im going to the gunslingers dante may be near spawn in power hellboy well hell i cant say he can b kiled wel spawn heck his the most powerful of all”

    dante is nowhere near spawn the power gap between these guys to spawn is incredible and laughable that this was even concieved.

    Spawn exiled God and Satan to a false earth realm single handedly. this fight could literally be spawn vs alot of people and spawn would out class most of them.

  26. LeonSKennedy February 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm -      #26

    ok, Darkbladex96, i see several problems with your thinking.
    1.) dante can block ANYTHING with royal block.
    2.) he can become invincible with Dreadnought.
    3.) he can absorb attacks and use them to heal himself. (see DMC3)
    4.) has defeated the emperor of the fire hell without so having so much as the need to breathe differently.
    5.) has been impaled in the heart several times and shrugged off all of them like they never happened.
    6.) never has the need to reload.
    7.) has (DMC1)
    force edge
    ifrit- flaming punches and kicks – allows his devil trigger to become ifrit.
    alastor- grants him lightning quick aerial capabilities, changes his D.T to alastor
    sparda- allows him while in the underworld to change into a hyper demon state and deal deadly damage with a demon dragon.
    (guns)
    Ebony & ivory- never run out of ammo, can be charged with energy.
    shotgun- instant kill at point blank for most enemies.
    grenade launcher- explosive, can also be charged with energy
    nightmare beta- weapon from the underworld, charge shot causes spread fire.
    (DMC2)
    rebellion
    vendetta
    some other sword
    (guns)
    E & I
    shotgun
    Uzis
    rocket launcher
    and he also has various gems which he can equip which boast his abilities as well.
    (DMC3)
    rebellion
    beowulf- light based punches and kicks.
    nevan- guitar that summons electrified bats to attack
    cerberus- ice based triple nunchucks.
    agni & rudra- wind and fire based dual katanas.
    (guns)
    E & I
    shotgun
    spiral- powerful sniper rifle bullets ricochet off walls
    Kalina ann- a short distance rocket launcher with plenty of other little toys
    (DMC4)
    rebellion
    Gilgamesh- changes any organic material into living metal.
    lucifer- a demonic weapon that can summon an infinite number of exploding swords.
    Yamato- can cut through ANYTHING from nearly any distance away
    (guns)
    E & I
    shotgun
    Pandora (here’s the kicker)- A demonic weapon consisting of a variable 666 different weapons such as an explosive crossbow, a rocket launcher, a laser ( which is on par with the spartan laser), a giant shuriken, a gatling gun and a bright singe light that vaporizes anything in the lights range. all of which dante can use in a split second. (referring to dante when he curbstomps the giant demon frogs).
    ok, and against venom, well venom would get curbstomped, plain and simple.
    1.) dante’s shots would cause enough noise to disrupt him.
    2.) hell boy’s guns would cause noise to disrupt him and be able to kill the guy inside the venom suit.

    now, is there anything you can throw down that can counter all of that? and don’t say because spawn exiled god and satan. because dante KILLED an incarnation of satan, who was “immortal”

  27. MrSmiley69gtfo May 13, 2010 at 3:07 am -      #27

    in all technecality if spawn exiled god whom created everything and is far more powerful than a simple incarnation of satan……how can you beat that
    and i didn’t say spawn exiled god n satan, he is just simply too powerful to beat it is as simple as that, he could snap his fingers and dante would not exist you can’t beat somthing like that

  28. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 12:35 am -      #28

    “now, is there anything you can throw down that can counter all of that? and don’t say because spawn exiled god and satan. because dante KILLED an incarnation of satan, who was “immortal””

    I have yet to see any omnipotents or nigh omnipotents in DMC. god and satan in spawn were true immortals they couldnt be killed.period. just because they share a name doesnt mean they are on the same lvl.

    i dont need to counter any of that, because nothing on that list will kill spawn.

    spawn has infinite energy..

    – Teleportation: He can teleport as far away that he wants to from Earth to Heaven or Hell.

    – Necroplasmic Energy: Green ki-like blasts which he can fire in many different ways. The strongest time he used it is when he killed the legions of angels and demons warring on the earth in one huge blast then killing all of humanity as well which made the planet into one huge wasteland.

    – Imagination: Can use this ability in various ways, including resurrecting the dead, firing blasts of necroplasmic energy, teleportation, shapeshifting, flight, and curing the sick. His powers became nigh-omnipotent after he the ate fruit from the Tree of Life and was given the power of a God after Mother gave the powers to him after he recreated the planet and life across the planet, then closed the doors to both Heaven and Hell, sending God & Satan to another universe for them to fight on a fake earth. It was also shown that he can recreate his own universe in issue #149, As king of hell he can alter the reality of hell itself!

    – Necroplasm: The whole suit itself can connect to his central nervous system which allows him to control all parts of the suit, but at times the suit has protected him even if he is unconscious. He uses the suit to create his chains, spikes and to animate his cape to attack his foes, even cutting and dismembering limbs. Can it use to regen and can put it body back together by feeding off evil energy from the physical world, feeding off the ambient evil of certain parts of the area.

    he has perfect immortality….as of issue 161 he has no weakness.

    his conflict with Zera, who was the favorite warrior of God in the Amageddon story arc. Despite being armed with heavenly power and weaponry, and even after almost completely bisecting him, Zera was unable to kill Spawn.

    his suit gives him precog and he can link his mind with as many people as wants.

    he can transmute objects to his will, he can also produce potent poisons from his claws.

    he has a penance stare like ability.

    can generate hell fire powerful enough to melt the gates of heaven.

    he can catch bullets point blank.

    so how can spawn win? lets count the win factors.

    1. hell fire
    2. shred dante and hellboy
    3. turn them into whatever he wants.
    4. poison them with venom from hell.
    5. destroy thier soul with necroplasmic blast.
    6. nuke the planet.
    7. steal their souls
    8. send them to another universe
    9. send them to hell
    10. shoot hellboy in the head, then unload every piece of ordinance into dante because its fun.
    11. stop time and let venom deal with it
    12. teleport them into deep space
    13. penance stare them until they want to kill themselves(spawn can make you see whatever he wants you to).
    14. splatter them with his cape
    15.splatter them with his bare hands.
    16. make them live for eternity in pain and suffering, while venom figures something out.

    he has the power of a god and can be omnipresent if he so wishes. i only argue god spawn or king of hell spawn…nothing short of a nigh-omnipotent has the power to even tickle spawn.

  29. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 12:49 am -      #29

    @darkbladex96
    Several problems with your theory. first off royal guard. blocks anything. second, dante can withstand extreme temerpatures he has already walked through hellfire without it phasing him. third devil trigger and final devil trigger. fourth hes much faster than spawn when moving at full speed dante can go at one point five hundredths the speed of light. oh and last but not least dante can stop time. he would do that and decapitate spawn. end of story.

  30. Laharl May 21, 2010 at 1:01 am -      #30

    *

    ” Several problems with your theory. first off royal guard. blocks anything.”No limits fallacy

    ” second, dante can withstand extreme temerpatures he has already walked through hellfire without it phasing him” Show some proof please

    “third devil trigger and final devil trigger.” I don’t see how that really effects the match at all.

    “fourth hes much faster than spawn when moving at full speed dante can go at one point five hundredths the speed of light.”Now that is just a load of bull

    ” oh and last but not least dante can stop time. he would do that and decapitate spawn. end of story.”Is that before or after he dies?

  31. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 1:15 am -      #31

    serveral problems with your theory. its mostly bullshit.

    dante and hellboy die soon as the match begins they cant handle spawn.

    spawn thinks dante and hellboy are funny so he turns dante into stones to shut them up.

    what ever hellfire dante dealt with didnt destroy the gates of heaven…and to say dante can deal with soul destroying fire is bullshit.

    how will a time stop affect spawn? hes the king of hell and exists outside the flow of space-time. so dante stops time, to no effect then spawn stops time and screws dante over.

    devil trigger…..who cares spawn eradicated ever demon, angel and human in the earth realm in and instant. he cant surive that kinda nuke.

    did you even read my post?
    1. has to be decapitated by a weapon of heaven, dante aint got one, the closest thing hes got is beowolf. demon weapons might work if they are powerful enough like malbolgia powerful…and dante aint got those.

    spawn catchs bullets point blank and has precog, and and link his mind with dante and make him live the sickest nightmares that hell can create. dante will be to busy pissing himself to be a threat.

  32. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 1:29 am -      #32

    Several problems with your theory. first off royal guard. blocks anything.”No limits fallacy Dante has blocked every attack with this every time he has used it he has blocked yamato which can cut through anything including dimensions proof www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljgisyGE0y8
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnrqg9wR30
    ” second, dante can withstand extreme temerpatures he has already walked through hellfire without it phasing him” Show some proof please
    here you go play a game, watch the anime, or read the manga. i have found no video links for this and am too lazy to post one.
    “third devil trigger and final devil trigger.” I don’t see how that really effects the match at all. They increase speed power, and final devil trigger makes him immortal
    fourth hes much faster than spawn when moving at full speed dante can go at one point five hundredths the speed of light.”Now that is just a load of bull
    here is a math calculation 72 + (72 x 0.5) x 2 / 0.5 = 432 Miles per second or Mach 2043. Dante is a speed demon, haha, litterally. Holy crap! Dante can theoretically reach 1/500th of the speed of light!) sorry i said one hundredth that was my fault
    oh and last but not least dante can stop time. he would do that and decapitate spawn. end of story.”Is that before or after he dies? if dante stops time spawn doesn’t have a chance. Dante KILLED somebody IMMORTAL. Here is a strength test for dante too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljVKGGWQHPs&feature=related
    have fun.

  33. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 1:45 am -      #33

    here are some more www.youtube.com/watchv=7Rz2ivHHCug
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqN7qw3T-PI shown around one twentiesh. the guy is huge.

  34. Laharl May 21, 2010 at 1:46 am -      #34

    “Dante KILLED somebody IMMORTAL.” Not talking about the kind of immortal that you can still die.We are talking about a true immortal you know can’t die no matter what.
    If we are getting into which demon is the best Laharl punts Dante quite easily.
    Yet Laharl would have alot of trouble with Spawn without the right equips.(not saying he can beat spawn)

  35. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 1:50 am -      #35

    You guys obviously have no clue how powrful dante is. he fought the TRUE king of hell and killed him. he sealed hell for two thousand years. spawn is too slow to even touch dante, and final devil trigger makes him immortal, andrefills his llife to full granting him extreme new abilties, dante can esentially teleport at will pandora 666 weapons, dante is smarter, danter is stronger, dante is better in every way. come up with a new arguement for spawn.

  36. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 1:52 am -      #36

    btw the “nuke” wouldn’t work Dante is only half demon. it wouldn’t effect him.how would time stop do anything to spawn? it stops particles from moving and if particles aren’t moving there is no heat, and the hellfire that dante went through was fir from hell, when he was in hell, to fight the actual king of hell, and not some phony rip off who thinks he is badass but fails.

  37. Laharl May 21, 2010 at 2:04 am -      #37

    “not some phony rip off who thinks he is badass but fails.”
    Phony,Spawn phony?
    I’m sorry, but if spawn didn’t exist DMC wouldn’t exist.

  38. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 2:11 am -      #38

    where are you getting your figures for his speed calc? it makes no sense. proof plz?

    “if dante stops time spawn doesn’t have a chance. Dante KILLED somebody IMMORTAL. Here is a strength test for dante too. ”

    well if you kill them they are only immortal in terms of longevity. so yea that doesnt prove anything. spawn on the other hands removed two nigh-omnipotents from there own domains. so thats is more impressive.

    “first off royal guard. blocks anything”

    i love how everybody wanks royal guard. the problem with royal gaurd is if he doesnt block everything perfectly every time he still takes damage. or the shield may shatter and cause extra damage. and dante is not fast enough to keep up with spawn. not to mention royal gaurd has no high end feats to compare it has no canon its dictated by game mechanics and the mechanic say-” if you time the button press perfectly it stopz all damage.” and i know it doesnt defend against dante losing his soul.

    its high end feats are based on game mechanics and are invalid here on BankGambling. theres nothing to prove that it can withstand a planet nuking, soul destroying attacks, or chains that could bring a ruler of an inner circle of hell to his knees. or hell fires that destroy everything you are.

    “They increase speed power, and final devil trigger makes him immortal”

    immortality doesnt help…demons and angels are immortal spawn flicked his wrist and eradicated them all with one necro blast. immortality doesnt stop spawn from wrecking his soul, or from sending him to hell and nulling his powers. but all thats not nessecary since final devil trigger only happens when dantes near death….there will be no near death. fight starts spawn nukes the planet. game. or he wins by these methods.

    1. hell fire
    2. shred dante and hellboy
    3. turn them into whatever he wants.
    4. poison them with venom from hell.
    5. destroy thier soul with necroplasmic blast.
    6. nuke the planet.
    7. steal their souls
    8. send them to another universe
    9. send them to hell
    10. shoot hellboy in the head, then unload every piece of ordinance into dante because its fun.
    11. stop time and let venom deal with it
    12. teleport them into deep space
    13. penance stare them until they want to kill themselves(spawn can make you see whatever he wants you to).
    14. splatter them with his cape
    15.splatter them with his bare hands.
    16. make them live for eternity in pain and suffering, while venom figures something out.

  39. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 2:32 am -      #39

    “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbEsYsRVotw&feature=related”

    notice how when its over all he sees are burning souls in hell and all he can do is scream like a bitch. just like what hes gonna do to dante.

    this is spawns weakest incarnation. if you knows you cant hurt him like say Dante hes just gonna fuck with you. no imagine how much crying dante will do if he pumpsthe pain of every soul in hell into dantes mind like he can easily do telepathically.

  40. OriginalA May 21, 2010 at 2:36 am -      #40

    Dante’s Speed calc explained, since I am the one who wrote it first and I noticed I was neither cited as the one who did the math nor was even my superior second calculation quoted. Here is the Math:

    Alastor’s lightning speed (72 miles / second) * Devil Trigger Speed Boost (1.5 base speed + 0.5 Quick Heart speed boost) * QuickSilver Acceleration (2) / Slow Time from the Chrono Heart (0.5) = 576 miles per second.

    The end result is Dante moving very fast… for about 2 seconds before his DT Runes run dry. AND the Chrono Heart (the last speed boost by halving the rate that time progresses) only works IF Dante uses a Melee attack while DT’d… giving him about 1 second at full speed.

    That is if no items are used. If he uses items than he can extend his total time by some amount but his DT Runes will still be being depleated at an extremely fast rate due to stacking so many abilities that each consume DT Runes at a prodigous rate.

  41. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 2:38 am -      #41

    “btw the “nuke” wouldn’t work Dante is only half demon. it wouldn’t effect him.how would time stop do anything to spawn? it stops particles from moving and if particles aren’t moving there is no heat, and the hellfire that dante went through was fir from hell, when he was in hell, to fight the actual king of hell, and not some phony rip off who thinks he is badass but fails.”

    it killed humanity to so too bad. you have no proof that those fire would destroy his soul though, hell=outside space/time time stop aint hurting spawn of his abilities.

    and if spawn fails at being badass there is no badass character. spawn is so infinitely more badass then dante that the shit stains under spawns unholy toilet are more epic the dante.

    hell spawns powers are limited to his imagination, he could turn his 7 years worth of necrotic bad breath into a supernatural neurotoxin from hell and kill dante with halatosis.

  42. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 2:39 am -      #42

    “btw the “nuke” wouldn’t work Dante is only half demon. it wouldn’t effect him.how would time stop do anything to spawn? it stops particles from moving and if particles aren’t moving there is no heat, and the hellfire that dante went through was fir from hell, when he was in hell, to fight the actual king of hell, and not some phony rip off who thinks he is badass but fails.”

    it killed humanity to so too bad. you have no proof that those fire would destroy his soul though, hell=outside space/time time stop aint hurting spawn of his abilities.

    and if spawn fails at being badass there is no badass character. spawn is so infinitely more badass then dante that the shit stains under spawns unholy toilet are more epic the dante.

    hell spawns powers are limited to his imagination, he could turn his 7 years worth of necrotic bad breath into a supernatural neurotoxin from hell and kill dante with halatosis.

    that the fucking line spawn kill dante with his imagination and theres nothing that can be done about it.

  43. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 2:46 am -      #43

    “The end result is Dante moving very fast… for about 2 seconds before his DT Runes run dry. AND the Chrono Heart (the last speed boost by halving the rate that time progresses) only works IF Dante uses a Melee attack while DT’d… giving him about 1 second at full speed.”

    what im trying to get across to him is that.

    1. spawn is a bieng outside the flow of time so that takes out a few of those ability.
    2. spawn caught an AK round point blank with the muzzle no more the 6 inch from his face.
    3. spawn has chronomanipulation to and his trumps dantes.(spawn has infinite energy and can stack time stop upon time stop is nessecarry)
    4. spawn can be omnipresent if he so plz.
    5. spawns ablities are not subject to the flow of time.
    6. dante will be dead before he gets to do any of that.

  44. OriginalA May 21, 2010 at 2:53 am -      #44

    Is that how powerful Spawn is currently?

    I had heard that Spawn’s power level fluctuates between ‘slightly better than batman’ to ‘nigh omnipotent’ depending on writter and story arc, and since FP works on the premise of current canon… well… Is he really that powerful right now? I know he defeated (killed?) God and the Devil, but… really?

  45. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 3:10 am -      #45

    i argue al simmons spawn since that is the one people mean when they post a spawn fight and thats who he was during the time of this fight.

    i use king of hell incarnation for a few other reasons also.

    1. currently spawn is a reincarnation, he was still al when this was suggested.
    2. after armageddon Todd stopped writing spawn. the last time he was the main guy was when spawn was king of hell.
    3. after he was a god the symbiote betrayed him, the left him, then his unborn daughter took it and after that ordeal he killed himself.
    4. spawn is currently jim downing, a completely different character. with few feats.

    basically KoH was the last time Mcfarlene wrote it. It was the last time he had any powers before suicide, jim downing is a seperate charcter. KoH is a static powerbase and we know his feats.

    basically i apply LoZ logic they are both spawn, but they are not the same spawn. so unless jim downing is specified i argue KoH Al simmons.

  46. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 4:34 pm -      #46

    If you are arugin with me about how dante killed somebody immortal, and then you say that spawn killed many immortals thats hypocratical smart one.

  47. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 4:34 pm -      #47

    @ OrginalA
    I apologize for not crediting you with the calculation it was late, and i wasn’t thinking very deeply.

  48. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 4:53 pm -      #48

    @Darkbladex96
    Dante has showed that during cut scenes and in the anime that he can pull the timing off perfectly without even trying for royal guard. and, if they were fighting in hell dante could go super sparda making him immortal, and then just seal hell for another two thousand years.

  49. PooperScooperi8 May 21, 2010 at 4:56 pm -      #49

    @darkbladex96 dante has caught bullets before as well, and when Dante is in hell he could still time stop, and he did time stop. How about you learn about the other person soyou actually know what you are up against? You grossly underestimate Dante and Grossly overestimate Spawn.

  50. Darkbladex96 May 21, 2010 at 7:12 pm -      #50

    “dante has caught bullets before as well”

    dante has never never caught a bullet.

    “If you are arugin with me about how dante killed somebody immortal, and then you say that spawn killed many immortals thats hypocratical smart one.”

    immortal via longevity and high regeneration, if you payed attention he couldnt kill god or satan. i referenced you talking about immortals to show you that someone being immortal doesnt stop you from killing them.

    dante has to time royal gaurd against someone who can be omnipresent and has the speed reflexs to catch bullets point blank dante doesnt have shit.

    “How about you learn about the other person soyou actually know what you are up against? You grossly underestimate Dante and Grossly overestimate Spawn.”

    i have all DMCs and have watched the anime which isnt teir 1 canon BTW. if dante can do it i have seen it. and i never said he couldnt stop time just that it wouldnt help. im not under estamating dante or over estamating spawn…you are simply extrapolating dantes abilities much further then they are. royal guard cant stop nukes or soul stealing abilitis, royal gaurd cant keep him from being transmuted, royal gaurd cant stop him from being crushed. seeing as dante is barely if even supersonic he cant defend against much that spawn would do.

    sure he could shoot spawns bullets down but if spawn had a gun hes only screwing with dante. and dante could slice and carve spawn up all day, but if gods favorite warrior with heaven weapons and celestial magics could put spawn down what makes you think dante will?

    back to the list for the win factors:

    1. hell fire
    2. shred dante and hellboy
    3. turn them into whatever he wants.
    4. poison them with venom from hell.
    5. destroy thier soul with necroplasmic blast.
    6. nuke the planet.
    7. steal their souls
    8. send them to another universe
    9. send them to hell
    10. shoot hellboy in the head, then unload every piece of ordinance into dante because its fun.
    11. stop time and let venom deal with it
    12. teleport them into deep space
    13. penance stare them until they want to kill themselves(spawn can make you see whatever he wants you to).
    14. splatter them with his cape
    15.splatter them with his bare hands.
    16. make them live for eternity in pain and suffering, while venom figures something out.

  51. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 1:31 pm -      #51

    wow. you say you own all games, and obviously you payed absolutely no attention to the third one. in dantes weakest state he catches a bullet in his teeth. don’t lie just to try to make you seem like you know everything.

  52. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 1:36 pm -      #52

    You say dante doesn’t have fast reflexes? my ass he doesn’t. Obviously if you have played a DMC game you would know. You are too fucking retarded, and you think you need to lie, so you can win. Either you have the games, and you’ve never played them, you have the games, and are too obsessed with spawn to pay attention to something else, or you don’t have the games at all. And, i’m pretty sure that’s it because otherwise you would know what the fuck you are talking about.

  53. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 1:51 pm -      #53

    really i dont know much about dante or spawn but apperntly the info everyone is giving me is that hellboy and venom are useless! hellboy SON of the devil venom most epic alien i ever did saw in a comic book and also venom can make a shield out of every part of his body make spikes make like swords and axes and everything else and also the suit will not let the host die no if hellboy shot his gun the suit would like…add a extra layer of armor and would penetrate the armor but wouldnt even reach his skinand if he died another symbeiote would be born oh and if the host died the symeiote would be ticked off and attack or take over his body and venom never caught a bullet but he absorbed it and shot it back.hellboy watched all of his movies awesome by the way took out a gay looking creep in the second one and took on the golden army sadly they regenerated in the first one took on a whole like,hive of weird looking monsters and that thing from hell also he is like a living breathing apocalpse and the only way to do that is to simply,say his full name.so dont tell us that venom and hellboy are useless okay?spawn and dante are not the only guys in this match so at least think about venom and hellboy in this fight,oh and i choose team 1

  54. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm -      #54

    well actuly i dont know who would win entirly so im gonna think about it.

  55. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 2:04 pm -      #55

    oh and please tell me if i left out anything on venom and hell thank you.

  56. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:07 pm -      #56

    Just for extra description, when Dante is in True Sparda form, he IS immortal, and if they ARE fighting in hell, he could stay in the form for as long as he wanted to. It grants him the ability to shoot like a holy light type thing from his hands. That would fuck spawn up while hellboy, and venom would be fighting. Dante would do that several hundred times, then shoot the light at his sword so it would become a holy weapon, and then there you go. there goes spawn, and the combined poweres of hellboy and dante would be way more than enough for venom.

  57. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:09 pm -      #57

    @dead stroke
    I agree that they are underestimating venom, and hellboy a lot. They could turn the tide of the battle in the end. Because if spawn CAN manage to find a way to beat dante, dante is gonna want to take him down with him. They could become the important part.

  58. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 2:20 pm -      #58

    @PooperScooperi8 can you tell me all the powers of dante because i need to know what he can do before i can decide.

  59. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:27 pm -      #59

    @dead stroke
    Dante is half demon, and is the son of the demon who killed mundus(satan)
    Dante can move at 1.5/500 the speed of light, he is an expert swordfighter, and marksman, his guns never have to reload. he has super strength, an extremely fast reaction time, he has been burned by hellfire, stabbed through the heart, spine, face, been shot in the head and smiled back to all of them being unfased. he has royal block that can block essentially any attack, and hit them back with usually a one hit kill counter, he has an alternate form called devil trigger, which turns him into a full demon, and since they are fighting in hell he can stay in this form at will, this form increases all his ablilites tenfold, when he is about to die he has final devil trigger which makes him invulnerable for awhile, and then in he has sparda form which basically makes him invincible, holy weapons, king of hell.

  60. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:28 pm -      #60

    there are more, but those are just the ones right off the top of my head

  61. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:34 pm -      #61

    he has the doppleganger style that can create a copy of himself which can also devil trigger, and he has the time pendant to stop time, and quicksilver style to slow down time.

  62. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 2:40 pm -      #62

    wow thats cool stuff right there but in the comments you did mention that he could stop time too.

  63. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 2:44 pm -      #63

    well since you told me what dante could do.i would like to know about spawn and what he can do.oh and since yousaid dante is satans son that would make hellboy his brother becuase he is satans son too if you think about it lol.

  64. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:47 pm -      #64

    oh no i didn’t mean it that way. dante is sparda’s son. sparda was one of satans servants but realized that what satan was doing was wrong so he rose against him, and killed him. Dante is the son of the person who killed the original satan.

  65. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 2:50 pm -      #65

    wait a minute dont that mean dante and hellboy are enemies?i mean if dantes father killed hellboys father dont that mean they are enemies?and if he killed the ORIGINAL satan then who is the NEW satan?

  66. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:51 pm -      #66

    spawn is the new king of hell, and his powers are limited to his imagination because of it, but, and this is a big but i was thinking about it, and if dante does go sparda form he becomes king instantly, so spawn won’t be king anymore, and will essentially lose most if not all of his powers at dantes will.

  67. Darkbladex96 May 23, 2010 at 2:54 pm -      #67

    “in dantes weakest state he catches a bullet in his teeth. don’t lie just to try to make you seem like you know everything.”

    he got shot in the head and spit the bullet out.

    “You say dante doesn’t have fast reflexes? my ass he doesn’t. Obviously if you have played a DMC game you would know. You are too fucking retarded, and you think you need to lie, so you can win. Either you have the games, and you’ve never played them, you have the games, and are too obsessed with spawn to pay attention to something else, or you don’t have the games at all. And, i’m pretty sure that’s it because otherwise you would know what the fuck you are talking about.”

    i kno what im talking about…i admit to being a spawn fanboy but that doesnt make me a lair. i have the the DMCs, ive played them. i know that dante is too far outta his league. if you knew anything youd see this. before calling someone retarded because dante cant win. no lvl of immortality helps when your enemy can steal your soul, no level of immortality matters when your enemy can exile you to hell and from there a different reality that you never come back from.

    “Just for extra description, when Dante is in True Sparda form, he IS immortal, and if they ARE fighting in hell, he could stay in the form for as long as he wanted to. It grants him the ability to shoot like a holy light type thing from his hands. That would fuck spawn up while hellboy, and venom would be fighting. Dante would do that several hundred times, then shoot the light at his sword so it would become a holy weapon, and then there you go. there goes spawn, and the combined poweres of hellboy and dante would be way more than enough for venom.”

    no limits fallacy…..spawns hell is not DMCs hell. it wouldnt help dante at all. holy weapons wont do shit if you read youd know spawn has been biusected by holy weapons and didnt die. so try to come up with something that hasnt been debunked. as i said immortality doesnt matter.

    “I agree that they are underestimating venom, and hellboy a lot. They could turn the tide of the battle in the end. Because if spawn CAN manage to find a way to beat dante, dante is gonna want to take him down with him. They could become the important part.”

    im not underestamting anyone…venom is may favorite marvel character, but with spawn on his team he doesnt have to do anything. and hell boy is weak and barely a city lvl threat unless he releases the saels to hell and causes armeggedon, which he wont do and he cant do because the lock doesnt exist in this battlefield and no one knows his true name but him. CIS he wont do it . even if he could it would be an unqualifiable transformation since he has no feats in that form.

    “spawn and dante are not the only guys in this match so at least think about venom and hellboy in this fight,oh and i choose team 1”

    spawns power dawrfs everyone elses…that the point spawn is a god amoung ants here. true sparda form isnt even a factor since he has to be near death to activate it.
    dantes fraction of lightspeed isnt gonna help. because:

    1. it requires him to be in devil trigger.
    2. it requires him to stack 2 chronomanipulation abilities
    3. its gonna eat his DT so its gonna last all of two secs.
    4. chronomanipulation doesnt work on spawn so dante is only gonna be moving 1.5x normal speed.

    spawns sends venom to hell, nukes the planet which destroys souls. or he turns them into stones, hellboy hasnt shown any resistance to alchemy, neither has dante, theyve never shown any resistance to anything spawn can hit them with. but the arent equipped to even talk back to him.

    yeah dantes fast hes a bullettimer….hes not hypersonic or anything like though. hell bayonette was two much for dante check out the thread.

    you have to understand the characters limits.

  68. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:55 pm -      #68

    … this is kinda controversial… ummm…. the new satan is just a reincarnation of the original. more powerful than before. Dante sealed him in hell for two thousand years. So, dante could just do that to spawn too…

  69. Darkbladex96 May 23, 2010 at 2:56 pm -      #69

    “spawn is the new king of hell, and his powers are limited to his imagination because of it, but, and this is a big but i was thinking about it, and if dante does go sparda form he becomes king instantly, so spawn won’t be king anymore, and will essentially lose most if not all of his powers at dantes will.”

    do you hear yourself? 2 different hells from two diffent universes…..dante being king of hell has no barring in Spawns powers. WTF are you thinking…..thats beyond association fallacy.

  70. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 2:58 pm -      #70

    @darkbladex it never specified who’s hell they were fighting in. you don’t get to choose. and, if dante wanted to he would just seal that hell as well. and about the bullet thing. watch the cutscene again. you see the smoke coming from his mouth.

  71. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 2:59 pm -      #71

    if that happens i can only think of what spawn would be thinking

  72. Darkbladex96 May 23, 2010 at 3:03 pm -      #72

    “… this is kinda controversial… ummm…. the new satan is just a reincarnation of the original. more powerful than before. Dante sealed him in hell for two thousand years. So, dante could just do that to spawn too…”

    you mean what he did to mundus? he cant do that under his own power. trish helped.

  73. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:04 pm -      #73

    and another thing. if there are the two seperate hells, and two of the four chracters are king of each, essentially nothing would happen at all.

  74. OriginalA May 23, 2010 at 3:08 pm -      #74

    What Dante did to Mundus is Dante’s own ability. He just needed Trish’s power boost because he was tired. He does the same thing to Argosax in DMC 2 at point blank and blows him away. Mind you I’m pretty sure Argosax isn’t as powerful as Mundus either though. Regardless the ability itself is Dante’s own.

  75. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:08 pm -      #75

    you mean what he did to mundus? he cant do that under his own power. trish helped.
    That was in the first game. In the second he is more powerful, and he has desperation.

  76. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:09 pm -      #76

    @OriginalA
    thank you for pointing it out. and, i apologize for not crediting you with the math equation before.

  77. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 3:13 pm -      #77

    @Darkbladex96 you seem to know about spawn alot i asked pooperscooper about dante and hes givin me some info about dante so tell me what spawn can do really.

  78. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:16 pm -      #78

    btw dead stroke if you would like to know more about dante, ask OriginalA. He probably know more.

  79. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 3:18 pm -      #79

    thanks scooper i just want to know everything about these guys

  80. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 3:19 pm -      #80

    @OriginalA so what can you tell me about dante

  81. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:25 pm -      #81

    true sparda form isnt even a factor since he has to be near death to activate it.

    ummmmm….. wow…… you really haven’t played a DMC….. He does that when trish is about to be killed. not for near death. that is desperation devil trigger….. there is also majin form too.

  82. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:38 pm -      #82

    @dead stroke here is a link with some info
    devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Dante
    and some info on devil trigger
    devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Trigger

  83. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:39 pm -      #83

    sorry for the desperation devil trigger part i meant to say also called majin form.

  84. PooperScooperi8 May 23, 2010 at 3:41 pm -      #84

    Sorry i am getting off. i might be on later.

  85. OriginalA May 23, 2010 at 4:07 pm -      #85

    @ Dead Stroke:
    You want to know anything specific?

  86. dead stroke1234 May 23, 2010 at 4:13 pm -      #86

    well anything really devil trigger his powers all the wepons he has that kind of stuff oh and his story

  87. OriginalA May 23, 2010 at 4:46 pm -      #87

    I’ll give you a general overview of Dante’s best chances of any victory.

    Royal Block: Dante blocks an attack and receives no damage from it, but this requires extremely percise timing. If his enemy can even just match his speed then Dante gets into trouble with this ability,.

    Can react to Lightning at his base speed. With the Alastor sword Dante can move at lightning speed.

    Bangle of Time allows him to stop time for about ten seconds from his perspective, but he must preform a moving action to activate it first (this rather small detail cost him the match against Bayonetta).

    QuickSilver slows time by half (or speeds Dante up by double; wording is kinda 50/50 on this) for about 10 seconds from Dante’s perspective. He can activate this by thought.

    DT generally gives him a 1.5 multiplier to all of his base stats. Can be flight capable.

    DDT can only be activated while Dante is at the edge of death, but gives him a huge stat boost and makes him practically invincible as well as giving him some new, uber powerful attacks. Anyone capable of overkilling him won’t have to fear this though as they will kill him too fast for Dante to use it and anyone not capable of that will probably be destroyed before they wear him down to the point that he can use it.

    Jackpot seal has been mentioned. And yes he can do it alone. He does it side by side with Vergil in DMC 3 (they didn’t share their powers like Trish did with Dante at the end of DMC1) and he does it again in DMC 2 where he blows apart Argosax, completely alone. And DMC 2 is furthest along the timeline and thus debatably “current incarnation” as per the rules. regardless he did it under his own power way back in DMC 3; it just so happens that Vergil (who has the same powers as Dante) does one at the same time and in close proximity to Dante.

    He has improbable aiming skills and has an arsenal of guns including pistols, smgs, rocket launchers, devil guns, shotguns, a grenade launcher, and an anti-tank rifle.

    He has a good healing factor that will let him live through below absolute zero degree attacks, stabs through the heart, and major cuts, but it is known that there is a limit to which he can heal and it is generally accepted that if you were able to successfully remove a limb he would not grow it back. That said his healing factor is fast enough to keep at least part of a limb attached to his body if good sized blade tries to cut it off. This is emphisised at the end of DMC 3 where Dante cuts Vergil (who has the same healing factor) in half (across the waist) but Vergil doesn’t fall apart as he heals while Dante’s sword is still cutting him. But there is still that limit and those cuts add up.

    He can teleport a few tens of meters with a small recovery time at the tail end of the ‘port.

  88. Darkbladex96 May 23, 2010 at 8:00 pm -      #88

    Mind you I’m pretty sure Argosax isn’t as powerful as Mundus either though. Regardless the ability itself is Dante’s own.

    i actually remeber the end of DMC3. where him and vergil used the attack. wonder if its strong enough to seal spawn?

    “you seem to know about spawn alot i asked pooperscooper about dante and hes givin me some info about dante so tell me what spawn can do really.”

    spawn has infinite energy..

    – Teleportation: He can teleport as far away that he wants to from Earth to Heaven or Hell.

    – Necroplasmic Energy: Green ki-like blasts which he can fire in many different ways. The strongest time he used it is when he killed the legions of angels and demons warring on the earth in one huge blast then killing all of humanity as well which made the planet into one huge wasteland.

    – Imagination: Can use this ability in various ways, including resurrecting the dead, firing blasts of necroplasmic energy, teleportation, shapeshifting, flight, and curing the sick. His powers became nigh-omnipotent after he the ate fruit from the Tree of Life and was given the power of a God after Mother gave the powers to him after he recreated the planet and life across the planet, then closed the doors to both Heaven and Hell, sending God & Satan to another universe for them to fight on a fake earth. It was also shown that he can recreate his own universe in issue #149, As king of hell he can alter the reality of hell itself!

    – Necroplasm: The whole suit itself can connect to his central nervous system which allows him to control all parts of the suit, but at times the suit has protected him even if he is unconscious. He uses the suit to create his chains, spikes and to animate his cape to attack his foes, even cutting and dismembering limbs. Can it use to regen and can put it body back together by feeding off evil energy from the physical world, feeding off the ambient evil of certain parts of the area.

    he has perfect immortality….as of issue 161 he has no weakness.

    his conflict with Zera, who was the favorite warrior of God in the Amageddon story arc. Despite being armed with heavenly power and weaponry, and even after almost completely bisecting him, Zera was unable to kill Spawn.

    his suit gives him precog and he can link his mind with as many people as wants.

    he can transmute objects to his will, he can also produce potent poisons from his claws.

    he has a penance stare like ability.

    can generate hell fire powerful enough to melt the gates of heaven.

    he can catch bullets point blank.

    he is immune to chronomanipulation, and can control time.

    massive reality warping when in hell.

    Spawn is a trained assassin and proficient in hand to hand and weapons fire.

  89. Darkbladex96 May 23, 2010 at 11:54 pm -      #89

    few questions brush me up on things.

    the bangle of time does he actually stop time or is he just moving really fast? whats the exact mechanic there.

    “QuickSilver slows time by half (or speeds Dante up by double; wording is kinda 50/50 on this) for about 10 seconds from Dante’s perspective. He can activate this by thought.”

    how its shown in game id believe its a time slow. seeing as the effect radiates from dante, and the first time you encounter the ability, its a local time slow.

    “DDT can only be activated while Dante is at the edge of death, but gives him a huge stat boost and makes him practically invincible as well as giving him some new, uber powerful attacks. Anyone capable of overkilling him won’t have to fear this though as they will kill him too fast for Dante to use it and anyone not capable of that will probably be destroyed before they wear him down to the point that he can use it.”

    so it is the form i was thinking….pretty much a non-factor since spawn could overkill easily. and im pretty sure it doesnt stop soul fuckery,or transmutation.

    “He can teleport a few tens of meters with a small recovery time at the tail end of the ‘port.”

    talkin about air trick from trickster style correct?

    i probably didnt explain myself well enough the first time. i believe that Royal gaurd would be ineffective for 4 reasons.

    1. same as OA mentioned if the enemy can match or exceed dantes reflexes its usefullness plummets.
    2. its speculated high end is based on game mechanics, i cant remember a cutscene where he blocked anything with the style, or perhaps he blocked something but it wasnt that impressive. the fact that it someone says it blocks “anything” is no limits.
    3. its never been shown or stated to block attacks that destroy your soul. like say a constant hell fire or necro blasts.
    4. it wouldnt stop spawns many other ways of handling the fight.

    dante doesnt have anything that can actually do any real harm to spawn. hes been shot up and hacked up by demonic and divine weaponry. everything Dantes bringing to the fight, spawn has dealt with similar things of possibly greater magnitudes.

    as ive said before im not under estamating anyone its just that, spawn is one of those characters who can handle this without even diving very deep into his abilities. and spawn has so many ways around dante regen which pales in comparison to his.

    my comparison of their regen.

    Dante: heals as his flesh is getting cleaved, meaning nearly instant, but it fatigues him and starts to add up until hes out of energy and cant regen anymore.

    Spawn: literally endless unless you have something to hamper it with like magic incantations, holy weapons used to do it, but theres nothing thats slows it down in KoH incarnation. while it takes about 1 sec for spawn to regen, injury never slows him down because he doesnt need his internal organs.

    assessment:

    dante not enough ways (if any) to actually deal with spawn.
    Spawn too many ways to deal with Dante pretty easily and quickly.

  90. OriginalA May 24, 2010 at 12:21 am -      #90

    Bangle of Time is a Time Stop. For some reason though it doesn’t work against Bosses. It isn’t explained why. Could be game mechanics, or it could be that extremely powerful demons (DMC 1 probably had the most powerful bosses in the canon) can resist chrono manipulation. It could be either.

    As for QuickSilver. I know the evidence supporting that it slows down time, but I’m sure that I read somewhere in the game that when Dante uses it he is specifically accelerating himself and everything else is moving at normal speed and only appears to be slowed down. But I don’t have that evidence on hand at the moment (been to long to remember it exactly, can’t find it on the DMC Wiki exactly, and don’t have my PS2 hooked up) lets go with it slowing down time.

    Teleportation for Dante does indeed == Air Trick. DMC 4 cutscenes suggest that is probably isn’t limited to “go to the enemy” but rather “go where ever” and “where ever” just so happens to be “the enemy” during gameplay… or Dante moves even faster than I give him credit for as there are several scenes in DMC 4 where he is either teleporting while out of view of the player or speed blitzing beyond even faster than the eye can track. Since Dante isn’t known for that kind of raw speed, I find it is more probable that he is Air Tricking even though the cutscenes don’t have the teleporting sound that goes with it. And this is one of those either or things, but I think the evidence supports that he is teleporting where he pleases.

    Dante’s best Royal Block in cutscene was actually Mundus’s death beam that insta killed Trish. The way the beam veared off is a random direction after bouncing off of an invisable shield around Dante is very much so what it looks like to Royal Block an attack in DMC 3. In DMC 4 you can actually see the shield that attacks bounce off of.

    Mind you Darkbladex, Post 87 wasn’t an attempt at supporting Dante. It was just an info dump as per Dead Stroke’s request containing a good amount of Dante’s most useful abilities. Same with this post too. Not an attempt to sway the debate, just an info dump.

  91. Darkbladex96 May 24, 2010 at 12:50 am -      #91

    “Mind you Darkbladex, Post 87 wasn’t an attempt at supporting Dante.”

    oh i was pretty sure that was the case….mine was more of a total assesment of how i veiw the match since some think im under estamating dante.

    i also have to say that i have more respect for you for not calling me retarded or a fanboy, or something along that lines. because i hate the current incarnation rule.

    its a really cheap way to make regularly formidable characters lose to people way below their teir. im used to debating height of power and standard equipment rules, its a lot more fair. characters who get underpowered because they give up there mantle, lose thier powers, etc…because the plot is wrapping up arent punished. and newer characters get new feats everyday to add to their arsenal. nobody loses there. its actually a very biased rule with older characters on the losing side.

    like Iron-man, you cant argue about him because he’s amlost a vegetable right now so what do we have to do? sit around and wait to see how the next part or the comic turns out. when we know he couldve won. if the next installment makes him weaker because say….he cant use his tech correctly well then thats real F-ed up because we have to debate we retarded Iron man now. thats why this site should switch to height of power rules. unless it was short lived like celestial powered hulk or god spawn.

    sorry but that was so off topic.

    back on topic…..about the royal guard do you think it can block “anything” if his timing is right? or do you have a guess on its actual limit, i know that you can shatter it but thats not if its executed perfectly.

    and the teleportation only has a range of a couple of meters correct?

    bangle of time is a timestop…ok…. helps to know.

    or heres what your looking for about quick silver:

    “The Quicksilver Style is a time-controlling style appearing in Devil May Cry 3 which is obtained from Geryon. It allows Dante to move at lightning quick speeds relative to enemies and the environment[1], thus allowing him to experiment with different tactics and combos”
    -DevilMayCry wikia

    Description of the attack:

    “Send out a dimensional time-rift wave that slows down your enemies while giving you ultra-high speed. Also, while in Quicksilver mode, you will constantly consume DT energy.”
    -DevilMayCry wikia

    either it does both or they mean that you have high speed relative to the world around you, because quicksolver never made me move any faster in DMC3.

  92. Laharl May 24, 2010 at 1:56 am -      #92

    I agree,a height of power rule has to be made.
    Some matches can’t be decided right with that rule around.

    Like Link vs MC one of the reasons link loses is because his current incarnation sucks, but we have several different links that could beat him fairly easily.

  93. OriginalA May 24, 2010 at 2:23 am -      #93

    For the current incarnation rule, I usually go by the furthest on the timeline rather than most recently released while at the same time keeping to that same individual. Say Batman for example. In the comics, Batman is Dick Grayson now, but I would and will still assume it means Bruce Wayne while he was Batman unless specificed as Grayson’s Batman. Link is a seperate case as he is the same person yet not due to reincarnation and the split timeline and ambigous timeline doesn’t help me much there either so for that case I stick with more recently released.

    And for the record I would be giving you hell about that rule and doing independant research just to figure out how powerful the first Spawn was before he passed the title to another person, except I really don’t care about this match. It also is nice to be able to revisit old matches as say “hey, now he has this so that might help him!”.

    On RB: unknown max limit, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Also from as far as I can tell it cannot block a DT Flux/Explosion. That is based on the fact that Vergil Royal Blocks your attacks in DMC3 and with the proper timing you can predict when he will do this. So I tried to test hitting him with a DT Flux at a time that I knew he would block my attack and I noticed his health bar still fall a little bit even though my physical attack (done to cause the block) is still fully deflected, but I could easily misjudge the timing by a fraction of a second. I’m pretty sure my timing wasn’t too far off though, and I did it a few times to make sure, so it is possible that a high power, magical explosion could overpower the Royal Block.

    Of course that is the only move that can get through it, and Dante has shown himself capable of blocking attacks that are high power demonic magical explosions and taking no damage (Mundus’s death beam, Savior’s Jesus Beam).

    Aside from that though he doesn’t seem to be capable of blocking harmful gasses, nor tanking the island busting explosion (as he seemed to consider it a life or death situation even before Mundus shows up to stop him from escaping, but it also could be that he might end up being trapted under tons of rubble and unable to dig himself out).

    I’ve gone off on my own thoughts now… I would say that it is likely that you could brute force your way through it, but it would take a skyscraper busting attack at least (Dante’s first mission in DMC 4 ends with death if you don’t outrun the timer and the increadibly big castle explodes). Which is to say, extreme overkill against a 6 foot tall man.

    I would say Air Trick has a limit somewhere around 10 to 20 meters.

    ““Send out a dimensional time-rift wave that slows down your enemies while giving you ultra-high speed. Also, while in Quicksilver mode, you will constantly consume DT energy.”
    -DevilMayCry wikia

    either it does both or they mean that you have high speed relative to the world around you, because quicksolver never made me move any faster in DMC3.”

    That might be the quote I was thinking of. and the “While” there would imply that it slows down time and accelerates Dante instead of either or. And Dante would be moving faster, but you wouldn’t notice it because you perceive as Dante does, and he is being artificially accelerated thanks to a time scew. Were you in normal time he would be blazingly fast. Just like in Bayonetta, where in one scene she appears to teleport even though she doesn’t have that ability; in actuallity it is likely that the player’s view is stuck in normal time and she used Witch Time to move super fast and appear to teleport; yet when you play as her under the effects of Witch Time you don’t notice that she is accelerating, just that everything else is slower. Perceived Time vs Local Time in a nutshell; it is all relative to Normal time. And now I’m getting a headache.

    Since full power Spawn has Dante under his heel, would you mind humoring me and giving me a break down of how Spawn (al simmons) was before his career as Spawn eneded? Say, end of his last arc before any think crippiling happened.

  94. Laharl May 24, 2010 at 2:54 am -      #94

    “Link is a seperate case as he is the same person yet not due to reincarnation and the split timeline and ambigous timeline doesn’t help me much there either so for that case I stick with more recently released.”
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHIP9UtkQDQ
    Zelda time line is scary weird.

  95. Darkbladex96 May 24, 2010 at 2:31 pm -      #95

    “Since full power Spawn has Dante under his heel, would you mind humoring me and giving me a break down of how Spawn (al simmons) was before his career as Spawn eneded? Say, end of his last arc before any think crippiling happened.”

    sure.

    With the aid of the Greenworld, Spawn regains his lost memories, and something more. His costume metamorphoses again, seemingly becoming one with his necroplasmic body. Spawn is captured by Mammon and his demonic minions, and tortured horribly so that the secrets his body contains can be revealed. Spawn’s discarded heart, torn from his chest in an earlier battle with the Disciple, Heaven’s Warrior, transforms into a young boy named Chris. Chris, together with Sam and Twitch, rescue Spawn from Mammon’s clutches and return him to Earth. Spawn learns that thousands of human souls are contained within his body, each one capable of being summoned in the form of a Hellspawn. As signs of the end of days wreak havoc across the world, Spawn must find a way to stave off Armageddon, and learn the true nature of Heaven, Hell, and the Earth.

    Spawn learns that Wanda’s recently born twin children (by way of Terry) are the ones responsible for Armageddon. The twins, who have been displaying destructive and sadistic tendencies for months now, attempt to murder their entire family, when Spawn arrives to stop them. Spawn is unable to destroy the twins, and the unexpected arrival of Zera, the Queen of the Seraphim, reveals the awful truth – Jake Fitzgerald is God, and Katie Fitzgerald is Satan.

    It is revealed that both God and Satan were removed from their respective kingdoms and reincarnated as human children by the all-powerful being known as Mother. Mother is the creator of the universe and all its worlds, and God and Satan are two of her many children. She regards them as disappointments, being consumed with destructive hatred towards one another. Mother, who has aided Spawn in the past under the guises of Kali, the Keeper of the Greenworld, and the Man of Miracles, warns Spawn that he alone has the potential to rise above God and Satan, and preserve the human race. He also warns that Armageddon cannot be stopped – it is Earth’s destiny.

    Spawn is entered into one last final test to prove if he is worthy to preserve the human race: the Disciple. Before his final test, the Mother told Spawn to trust Cyan because she is “wise beyond her years”. She also reveals that the Disciple is actually the guard of the portal to the Garden of Eden, where Spawn must eat the Forbidden Fruit in order to save humanity. After Spawn blasts the Disciple into Eden and killed him, it is revealed that there are actually 11 more Disciples, who are based on the Twelve Apostles. Also, because Hellspawns are never meant to enter into the Garden of Eden, Spawn’s life will fade away the longer he is in the garden. This is shown through a video game like counter, which Cyan sees through a laptop. With the help of Cyan and the souls within him, Spawn fights each of the Disciples, killing them off one by one as the counter continues to drop to zero until the final Disciple left is Judas Iscariot, whom Spawn is about to kill. However, Cyan yells to Spawn to not kill him. Spawn, remembering what the Mother said about trusting Cyan, does not deal the final blow to Judas. Judas stabs Spawn through the heart and his counter reaches zero.

    As Spawn lies slain, Mother appears and plucks a piece of fruit from the Tree of Life. She speaks with Judas, revealing that when she took the form of Jesus, Judas was his most beloved disciple, the only one who had the courage to betray him. Without his death, the life of Jesus would have had no greater meaning. Mother gives the power of the Forbidden Fruit to the lifeless Spawn, resurrecting him in a new form – his cloak and chains are gone, replaced with shining white wings. Mother explains that Cyan was right; Spawn needed to die in order to be resurrected and gain the power to rival God and Satan. Returning to Earth, Spawn finds New York totally destroyed by the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. The slain population of the Earth have become possessed by angels and demons, who are gathering for the final battle. As Spawn races to the place where Armageddon will be fought, he confronts Zera, the Queen of the Seraphim.

    During this battle, Spawn shows Zera his true power as an equal to both God and Satan. Spawn defeats Zera and returns to the battle between Heaven and Hell with her head as a trophy. Spawn arrives at the battle as the last of Heaven’s warriors are slain. He believes that he knows one of them. Searching the battle field, Spawn discovers that he knows one of the soldiers as Granny Blake. She realizes that she has been betrayed and misled by her faith in God. Spawn faces off against the Hellspawn of Satan’s army, declaring that the Earth realm belongs to him. Calling him a traitor for breaking his oath, the Hellspawn from all the ages converge on their “brother.” Spawn battles the Hellspawn, calling upon the earth to swallow them, returning them to Hell. Hearing of this, Satan sends all of his remaining warriors after Spawn. Fearing that Spawn will unbalance Armageddon, God does the same. These events are watched by Mammon and a cloaked figure, whom Mammon responds to as a subordinate. During their exchange, it is implied that all is going according to their plan, and Mammon says that he should have never been doubted. As Heaven and Hell attack Spawn with full force that almost destroy the whole universe, he calls to himself all the power given to him by the Mother, and in a single display of power destroys the armies of Heaven and Hell, along with the rest of humanity.

    Laughing, he dismisses his act as a way to halt the Armageddon itself, leaving God and Satan without soldiers to use in their battle. He then asks the Mother to restore his children to their former glory and powers, but refuses to fight them. They eventually incinerate Spawn, then proceed their endless battle… fighting by themselves, in a barren, scorched Earth.

    now given the powers of a god and the protection of the Mother, gains the power to recreate Earth, restoring everyone to life, but leaving humanity every memory of the Rapture. Both God and Satan have no role in the “new” Earth, because they’re trapped in their perception of a barren Earth until they cease their seemingly endless fight, and Spawn, with his last act as a god himself, closes every door between Hell, Heaven and Earth.

    thats the last thing that happened before his powers went doen the pooper.

  96. PooperScooperi8 May 24, 2010 at 8:02 pm -      #96

    @darkblade
    I apologize for saying the rude things to you, e.g. fanboy, and retard. I was just getting irritated at all of the other posts, and what not, so i apogize.

  97. OriginalA May 24, 2010 at 8:08 pm -      #97

    So after that battle, which sounds either crazy epic or increadibly campy (I’m on the fence about it), was there more to his story, like after a massive depowering he fought off more people (if so then I would like to hear about it and those feats), or did he just quickly pass on the title after that?

  98. Darkbladex96 May 24, 2010 at 8:22 pm -      #98

    “So after that battle, which sounds either crazy epic or increadibly campy (I’m on the fence about it), was there more to his story, like after a massive depowering he fought off more people (if so then I would like to hear about it and those feats), or did he just quickly pass on the title after that?”

    lets see ummm….one of the arcs wasnt about him…i think issue 173 was someone else. it gets worse.

    Cyan, the daughter of Wanda Blake and Terry Fitzgerald, is having terrible visions. Her visions seem to be targeted mostly at her mother. Cyan sees her mother covered in blood every time they see each other. She envisions the pain that her savior, Spawn, is suffering through. Her visions are confirmed to be true.

    Spawn, having been infected by the vampire Severin, struggles with his symbiotic costume inside his own conscience while Nyx and Marc stand by unable to help in any way. The costume insists that although Spawn is the host, the costume has always been in control of the Hellspawn’s powers. The costume is angered by Spawn’s actions, namely deciding to throw away the powers of a god. The costume begins fighting with Spawn, now returned to his Al Simmons form. The costume tries to convince Simmons that his wife Wanda Blake had betrayed him while they were married. The costume insists that Wanda decided not to have Simmons’ child because she hated Simmons. The costume continues to taunt Simmons, bringing up Wanda’s marriage to Simmons’ best friend Terry Fitzgerald. Eventually, Simmons’ accepts what the costume has been saying and returns to consciousness.

    The setting shifts to Mammon’s residence where it is revealed that Mammon was guiding Spawn’s costume into turning against him. Mammon is accompanied by Morana and Morana’s foster parents Lucian and Daciana, leaders of the original vampires. Mammon orders Morana to prepare himself for what he must do next, which is unknown at this point.

    The scene shifts back to Cyan’s bedroom. There, her visions tell her that something terrible is about to occur. For the first time in the story she is afraid of Spawn, fearing his return will be to murder someone close to her. Cyan stands, approaches her closet door (which is covered with blood), she opens the door and finds Spawn standing before her. Cyan looks at him and asks, “You’re going to kill my mom, aren’t you?”

    Forewarned by Granny Blake, Cyan plunges a knife wrapped with the shoelace once bound to Spawn’s face into him. The knife, mystically charged, is able to rip a wound into the symbiotic entity, plunging Simmons in a delusional world, based on his memories with Wanda, to settle his unresolved issues with her in a more peaceful manner.

    They are transported into a boat in a lake, similar to the location where Al Simmons and Wanda Blake once had a boat ride together. Spawn talks with Wanda, stating that he wished to move on, but couldn’t due to their connection and what he had done. Wanda asks if Spawn could move on if she forgave him for the miscarriage of their child to which Spawn responds to do it. But Wanda states that she couldn’t forgive him, but also that if anything of her late husband is within him, that she loves him. Spawn, contemplating what to do, feels the pain of the knife that Cyan had stabbed on his chest and attempts to extract it, but upon doing so finds hanging from the shoelace, his wedding ring, the symbol of his bond with Wanda. Al Simmons is then able to reject his costume and bring the boat to the side of the lake, finding that both Cyan and Nyx were able to follow them into that location. But upon getting on shore, the symbiote resurfaces and attacks Nyx.

    The symbiote is revealed as retaining its sentience and independence, and to have always worked for Mammon, offering full collaboration to his efforts to breed a perfect Hellspawn in exchange for being free to roam the Earth. Since Al Simmons is no longer needed, K7 Leetha merges with Nyx, in retaliation for its past enslavement, gaining full control over Nyx’s actions and torturing her by imposing its will on hers. The symbiote attempts to kill Wanda and Cyan, but Mammon stops it by promising to bestow it with new powers and a new host if it keeps obeying. Mammon then leads the whole party, now formed by the new She-Spawn, Al Simmons in a human, unscarred, body, Wanda and Cyan, to a distant castle. He then unveils how Wanda and Al were part of a master plan to breed the perfect Hellspawn, thus connecting Al Simmons to all previous Hellspawns, coming from Al and Wanda’s bloodlines, and the Armageddon was simply a convenient way to put Malebolgia, God and Satan out of the picture, paving the way for his rule over the Universe.

    On the way to the castle, Mammon reveals that Al Simmons has now outlived his usefulness, as a new, better host is already prepared to take his place, loyal to his plans and more powerful than Al Simmons ever was. The host is finally unveiled to Wanda and Al Simmons as Morana, their miscarried child, stolen by Mammon the day in which Al Simmons brought Wanda to the hospital after beating her.

    Morana, now a full grown woman, waits in the castle, bathing in the blood of virgin youths as a part of her coming of age rite. After that, Morana is restored to her human self, ready to meet her parents for the first time. Renouncing them as she claims they’ve abandoned her, she takes over the K7 symbiote from Nyx and plans to feed over Wanda’s and Al’s souls.

    Since Nyx is powerless, and the Mother of Miracles is away from the earthly plane for ten thousand years, Cyan is pressured by Grandma Blake’s apparition to push her precognitive powers to the limits, where she meets an old woman writing down a book in a dilapidated house. Ready to die, yet willing to help Cyan in her role, she gives Cyan a message for Spawn.

    Returned to Limbo, Cyan pressures Spawn into calling down the Legion, or at least the still living souls of it, numbering a mere dozen. Even if Christopher claims that this new incarnation of the Legion is made by the strongest members, stronger even than the Hellspawn, Cyan shares with Nyx how her plan actually involves the Legion being soundly defeated by Morana.

    The events unfold the way the old wise woman is writing them in her book, and despite their impressive powers, the Legion are slayed in front of a guilty, helpless, Cyan, until only Christopher is left, ready to go on in a new afterlife, beyond Heaven and Hell. Al Simmons, taunted by Mammon about his losses, from the happy family he could have had up to his life, denounces Morana, refusing her as his daughter. In retaliation, Morana savagely attacks her own servants, and his father.

    Using the distraction in her favor, Cyan teaches a binding spell to Nyx, so powerful to be able to trap Morana and Mammon in Limbo for eternity. In a sort of predestination paradox, Cyan claims the spell was taught to her by the wise old woman, who received the words by an older Nyx, in the future. The spell is successful, and Morana is left trapped, and pleading Wanda to be saved.

    Al Simmons convinces Wanda to return to the earthly plane with Cyan and Nyx, and after giving her a last farewell, and an apology for the life they never could have had together, he stays behind, searching for a way to be reborn as a new individual, no more a tool of Heaven and Hell. Journeying in a hellish dimension paved with discarded soul, Simmons begins his last voyage, a voyage described by the wise old woman, who’s revealed to be an older Cyan, as a path of retribution, turning Spawn in the biggest anti-hero known on Earth, both hero and villain, destined to bring on the final downfall of Heaven and Hell, and enact his final vengeance over God and Satan.

    Now begins the ENDGAME. As Al traverses the land of discarded souls he prepares to enter the human world. Escaping Hell, he arrives back in the alleys of New York City. Al Simmons searches for one spot in particular (perhaps the exact spot where he returned to Earth as a newly created Hellspawn at the beginning of the comic), once he finds the spot he is looking for he gathers his remaining Hellspawn energy and blows his own head off. The one “true” way to effectively kill a Spawn.

    Seconds later, a hospital patient awakens from a coma. His name is Jim Downing, and he has no memory (it is speculated that Jim Downing isn’t his real name, just one given to him by the hospital). The doctors are amazed at his supernatural recovery time as in only a few hours his muscles grow and he becomes more stable. Who this Jim is is still a mystery, but it is clear that at one time he did know the Hellspawn known as Al Simmons (confirmed when it shows Jim thinking about Spawn).

    During Jim’s recovery, a janitor makes a call to a wealthy lawyer informing him of Jim’s awakening. The lawyer calls an as of yet unknown person after threatening the janitor for wanting to take the story of Jim to the newspaper. Once his conversation is over with the person on the other end of the phone, the lawyer takes his own life.

    While Jim is recovering, a leg-breaker is paid to send one of his thugs to the hospital to kidnap Jim. A young nurse named Sara begins talking to Jim while he sleeps. She says that she had prayed for him to wake up and be healthy and that her prayer has come true. While she and Jim begin to connect the kidnapper bursts through the hospital wall.

    With a head engulfed in flame the kidnapper chases Jim through the hospital, blowing up walls and attracting the attention of police and firefighters. Cornered, Jim is helpless against the kidnapper until something happens. Jim’s eyes turn a familiar green and the kidnapper begins to scream in fear and pain. Jim is now Spawn, and he has killed the kidnapper. The hospital becomes engulfed in flame and begins to burn down. Spawn walks out of the fire and reverts back to Jim Downing, who lies unconscious on the ground being helped by firefighters.

    Later, Jim is placed in a ambulance with an elderly man and is transported to another hospital and Jim is placed in a room with about a dozen other patients for the night. Later it is shown that at a news publisher called the “New York Clarion” a reporter named Marc is put on the investigation of the story of the fire at the hospital and it is revealed that the hospital has a history of not talking to anyone.

    Jim is then later transferred to another hospital were his doctor is planning on releasing him but he phones the doctor who was first taking care of Jim and is threatened into keeping him there. This doesn’t happen however as Jim reunits with Sara at the hospital and ends up staying at her apartment. Later that night after remembering what he did to the flame headed kidnapper he goes for a glass of water and he becomes spawn again.

    After screaming for Sara a few times Sara comes running but discovers that he has jumped out the window. At this time in Connecticut, the Clown is shown visiting a unknown bald man revealed to be a demon and they discuss Clowns plans for the future. It indicates that he does not know about Jim becoming a new Spawn and that his plan involves rebelling against the rules of Hell as he sees them following a path of self destruction that will lead to Heaven’s victory. The Clown then tells the bald demon that he plans to make him join him in his plan to control mankind. The bald demon tries to tell the Clown no but Clown tells the bald demon he has no choice and drives it home by killing most of the bald demons dogs.

    During this entire talk Jim, now turned into Spawn goes jumping around the city and ends up free falling into a building were a large amount of men point guns at Jim and fire at him as he turns into Spawn again and effortlessly kills them all. Some time later, Jim returns to Sara as Sam and Twitch arrive at the place Jim killed the men and agree that the situation has given them the sense of Deja Vu.

    Marc the reporter is then seen interviewing people about the fire at the hospital and after talking to an old man it is revealed that the old man is the one that was transported in the ambulance with Jim and that his emphysema was cured like a miracle and that all the patients in the room Jim was in have all been cured.

    After an argument between Jim and Sara about Jim’s origins Jim leaves after almost hurting Sara and later Sara is visited by a unknown man asking questions about Jim. After wandering in the snow for a bit Jim stops for a coffee at a diner and meets Wanda their after she recognizes him. In the talk she tells him she first meet him years ago a little after Al Simmons first appeared on Earth as Spawn but in the first form Al tried to talk to Wanda in. At the end of the talk Wanda looks into Jim’s eyes and realizes he is a Spawn and tells him where to go for answers but tells him that she can’t be a part of it any more.

    After some more wandering Jim gets a phone call from Sara telling him to stay away and eventually Jim reaches the alleys and meets a bum that leads Jim to Spawns old throne after Jim said Wanda sent him. After sitting on the throne he turns into Spawn again and is approached by an angel calling him “another of God’s elite”.

    The angel starts talking to Spawn obviously not realizing what he is and tells him that she had found an anomaly after Al killed himself but her superiors did not believe her. After a little bit she realizes Spawn is no angel but someone else she recognizes. Spawn then attacks her and and asks how she knows him and she calls him a traitor and that what he did to God was unforgivable. Jim then gets a phone call from Sara by is cut off and thinks that the angel sent someone after Sara and then impales the angels arms and wings into the wall and leaves.

    After getting back to Sara’s the same unknown man from before enters after Jim but Jim grabs him and pins him to the wall and after a interrogation learns that the man’s boss is named Gilbert Sanchez and not any angels. Afterwards, Jim goes back up to Sara to tell her goodbye again. At the same time the Clown finds the angel and after making fun of her for a bit as he starts beating her with a crowbar and after showing her that he is the Violator he proceeds to rip off her wings.

    i truely hated the way they did spawn, but so far thats the story there are some more coming out soon but ill have to get them online.
    but overall a very lame end to the persona Al simmons.

  99. Darkbladex96 May 24, 2010 at 8:24 pm -      #99

    “or did he just quickly pass on the title after that?”

    he had no regen, no symbiote, no powers, then he blew his brains out.

  100. OriginalA May 24, 2010 at 8:29 pm -      #100

    So the ending of the fight sapped his powers completely? There is litterally no power fluctuation between what he was before/during the fight and then being powerless after it?

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