Space Pirates Vs Covenant

Space Pirates (Metroid) Vs Covenant (Halo)

Now this is a match that has asked for quite some time and it’s finally betting published.
For my money, I would go with the Covenant if only for their almost suicidal way of just running into battle as well as their numbers – I just think they would overwhelm the Space Pirates. ‘Course that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Right?

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189 Comments on "Space Pirates Vs Covenant"

  1. Thepocalypse April 6, 2009 at 5:15 am -      #1

    The Space Pirates do have some powerful minions at their disposal, but a Scarab or Hunter could clear that up pretty quickly. The sheer number of Covenant troops in existence would be too much for the Pirates to handle. The only way they’d have a chance (slim) of winning would be if they miraculously perfected the Metroids and sent them after the Covies. And even then, the Covenant’s dealings with the Flood would aid them in defeating the Metroids.

  2. Tim April 6, 2009 at 5:43 am -      #2

    Thanks for posting this fight admin. I’m not sure who would win this so I think I’m going to wait and see what others have to say before choosing a winner.

  3. Scenario April 6, 2009 at 7:30 am -      #3

    Space Pirates for their suicidal way of ramming ships in order to get troops inside. As for their numbers, several of their bases have exploded, and they’re still going strong.

  4. Baron Somebody April 6, 2009 at 8:15 am -      #4

    Are Space Pirates as numerous as the Covenant? And do they have Phazon weapons?

  5. JoshMcFace April 6, 2009 at 9:52 am -      #5

    I’d say the Space Pirates can get this one with their use of genetic tampering.
    They come in a much larger variety, suited for almost anything and have devastating tactics that they could use, including phazon weapons and planetary corruption. The Space Pirates can also reproduce the metroids fairly easily, with only a single day with beta ray treatment. Although it would be difficult to control the metroids, they could be kept in hoards around Pirate bases, something that I doubt any covenant soldiers could stand up to.

  6. Matapiojo April 6, 2009 at 10:54 am -      #6

    Very interesting match.

  7. Cpt Olimar April 6, 2009 at 12:54 pm -      #7

    This match is quite complex. Are we assuming that Dark Samus is controlling the Pirates? Mother Brain? Ridley? I would say it’s safe to assume that all the members of each group will be in some position to battle as it would not be fair to not include all the scattered pirates around.

    In terms of genetic enhancements… I give this to the pirates without a second thought. Using Omega pirate/ridley and even Mother Brain in super metroid as key examples, the pirates know how to use genetics.

    The overall tech award…. I would still say pirates. Being able to reverse engineer some of samus’s abilities is quite impressive without actually having it study. Although, I have no idea how strong their space ships are with respect to the covenant.

    Numbers will almost definitely go to the covenant. With all their types and quick abilities to reproduce, they get the numbers, which in this match may be crucial.

    If we assume that the pirates are similar to those in MP3 in terms of tech, then we are dealing with pirates that can use phazon attacks. Any enemies who don’t have 100% covered armor suits will die nearly instantaneously as Samus took heavy damage from it even with her considerable armor.

    Pirates also have invisible troops. While I don’t know about the Covenant’s visual abilities, having these stealth squads may prove effective in raiding the covenant.

    Even having thought the battle out this much, I am going to wait for what others have to say. There are a lot of variables here, and they aren’t all negligible as in Star Wars where one side had all the advantages.

  8. Who? April 6, 2009 at 6:23 pm -      #8

    Damn! You beat me to the chase Captain. You pulled out most of my starting post, or what it would have been. “shakes fist” I too have to go with the pirates out diversity and superior weapons that gave even the Chozo legacy a run for her money. I can see several elites beating many different types of troopers, but not when it gets to the troopers that can be defeated only by one particuler weapon that’s not in the Elite arsenal, such as ice troopers, wave, etc. Plus there’s one bad mother F@#$ER full of pure ownage on the pirate’s side… Ridley… Not to mention elite pirates, Omega pirate, Kraid, etc. Though like the good Captain, I will wait to see what everybody else has to say about the Elites. I can see this going either way really, just the pirates have several advantages over the Elites.

  9. EnigmaJ April 6, 2009 at 6:39 pm -      #9

    Even with all of the variety of powerful fighters and troops the Pirates have, I dont think they can win this.

    Do they even have the Naval power required to stand up to the Covenant? If not, Covenant takes this easy. What’s to keep the Covenant from glassing the Pirate Homeworld?

    Though, a phazon leviathan slamming into High Charity would be pretty cool…

  10. Who? April 6, 2009 at 7:45 pm -      #10

    “Do they even have the Naval power required to stand up to the Covenant?”

    I believe you know the answer already Enigma. They constanly thrash even the might of the Federation, so I’d imagine so.

    ” What’s to keep the Covenant from glassing the Pirate Homeworld?”

    Hard to say… Somthing tells me the pirates have the tech to break free if the Covenant succeed, but I imagine they would have a hard time even aproaching the planet to begin with. They will need to send the best of the best on the surface to eleminate planetary defenses, which is no small task. Than there is the Pirate fleet to worry about… Well actually, the Pirates would attack and board all enemy vessels before hand, which the elites may or may not repel…

  11. Cpt Olimar April 6, 2009 at 11:49 pm -      #11

    Just to throw it out there…. any ground attack on the Space Pirate homeworld wouldn’t just be futile, but it would also be suicide with the highly corrosive acid rain constantly pouring down. Not to say that the Covenant might not make that mistake… but it should be noted as a significant victory for the pirates if they attempt to do so.

    Honestly, I seriously question whether this fight will just be a fight. This might very well drag on just like the Covenant vs Halo war is. The space Pirates are more of a raiding society than an group that does all out war. This doesn’t mean that they CANT but they prefer raids. That said, I wonder if the pirates might avoid direct confrontations while slowly weakening the covenant forces. I could see them doing to the covenant what they did to the VHS Balhalla, but many times over.

    The longer this duel goes for, I would say the higher the chance the Pirates have of winning. Since they have the tech advantage, I could see them reverse engineering some of the covenant’s more useful technology, or using genes from various species of the covenant to create genetically enhanced troopers.

  12. Scenario April 7, 2009 at 5:52 am -      #12

    Glassing the Pirate homeworld would not be easy. The whole thing was surrounded by an energy shield that Samus had to take down before the Federation could even get close. How Samus’s ship got past it I don’t know.

    Every Pirate is armed with an assault rifle and energy scythe, some have cloaking devices, some have very Jackal-like shields, and some have jet packs. Commandos have all of the above plus EMP grenades. Commanders have a personal teleporter. Pirate elites have quake generators, an energy absorption system, and a massive thermal cannon powered by said energy absorption.

  13. Who? April 7, 2009 at 12:47 pm -      #13

    Yup, I agree. Even if the elites make it to the planet, they face too many hazzards along the way. Not to mention they don’t have the tech absorbing capabilitys that Samus’ powersuit has, making this mission a little bit closer to impossible. Even with the off chance the elites shut down the planet’s defenses, they still have to deal with the pirate fleet. And Omega Ridley… Cool…

    “Honestly, I seriously question whether this fight will just be a fight. This might very well drag on just like the Covenant vs Halo war is. The space Pirates are more of a raiding society than an group that does all out war. This doesn’t mean that they CANT but they prefer raids. That said, I wonder if the pirates might avoid direct confrontations while slowly weakening the covenant forces. I could see them doing to the covenant what they did to the VHS Balhalla, but many times over.”

    I really have to go with what Olimar wrote here. They are called SPACE PIRATES for a reason. Yaaarrrrrgh ye matey!!!!!! Avast! This be uh rag-tag assault, savvy? Yar har har!!!

    But even with direct battles, I still see this going to the swashbucklers.

  14. JoshMcFace April 7, 2009 at 4:07 pm -      #14

    Lets not forget that the Space Pirates are spread out over a variety of planets, which are all well defended. The covenant’s only chance would be forcing the Pirates into an all out war. In a prolonged battle of attrition, the Pirates would definitely triumph through variety of tactics and sheer mindless determination.
    Like the good ol’ Mother Brain or ‘Big Moma’ (credit for that name goes entirely to Who?) said,
    “They are just like worker bees…following their queen. Their programming is decided at the genetic level.”

  15. Who? April 7, 2009 at 8:22 pm -      #15

    “Like the good ol’ Mother Brain or ‘Big Moma’ (credit for that name goes entirely to Who?)”

    Aw, shucks. (blush)

    “Lets not forget that the Space Pirates are spread out over a variety of planets, which are all well defended. The covenant’s only chance would be forcing the Pirates into an all out war. In a prolonged battle of attrition, the Pirates would definitely triumph through variety of tactics and sheer mindless determination.”

    Another good point to favor the pirates.

  16. Scenario April 7, 2009 at 10:42 pm -      #16

    Before I forget, Zebes was a completely underground base, and I believe glassing only hits the surface?

    As for ships, there isn’t much info on them. The battleship seen in MP3 had a massive laser, but it missed, so we don’t know how destructive it is. In the Manga, however, a Pirate Mothership was capable of creating a micro black hole that nearly destroyed a planet (they cut it off early, as the planet was valuable). One of my favorite ships though, is the pirate boarding pod. The basic idea is to pack the nose cone with explosives and plasma, then ram the enemy ship, blow a hole in hull, and get inside. They kill the crew, steal the tech, and likely commandeer the ship.

    There’s also never been an official Pirate count, suffice to say there are a lot of them and they’re everywhere. Like roaches, they’re impossible to wipe out completely.

  17. Onesidedfight April 8, 2009 at 3:34 am -      #17

    Let’s consider this, from what I have heard, the pirates have better tech,but lack numbers. If the covnet where to send a large mass of people at a world and also stop communcations with other plants, I’d say they would have a pretty good chance.

  18. JoshMcFace April 8, 2009 at 1:31 pm -      #18

    “If the covnet where to send a large mass of people at a world and also stop communcations with other plants, I’d say they would have a pretty good chance.”
    That’s a fair point, but stopping pirate communication would be extremely difficult, especially when it comes to their base on the planet Zebes (and possibly others), which is controlled completely by the Mother Brain.

  19. Who? April 8, 2009 at 3:22 pm -      #19

    No doubt about it, they couldn’t do it on the Pirate home world either. But I could see them doing it on say… Tallon IV. But even then it would prove to be difficult with all the elite pirates, Omega Pirate, Meta Ridley, etc. But at least Mother Brain wouldn’t be controling the defenses.

  20. the_man_with The_Answers April 8, 2009 at 6:39 pm -      #20

    On the ground the pirates can hold there own until the overwelming forces dwindle them down. As for space, covie has that in bag. A super-carrier ha a weapon that can bisect 5 UNSC warships. Thats over 5 kilometers of titanium a battle plate. Consiering there are thousands of suprcarries around High Charity, the pirates have no chance. The boarding parties won’t work. in one supercarier there are well over a thousad troops. That just adds to the fact that the other ships will turn on thier sister if all else fails. Also using covenant tech is very complex. It took even Cortana awhile to figure it out. Planets will be glassed, pirates will die, and the Covenant will be victorious.

  21. swifterdeath April 8, 2009 at 8:17 pm -      #21

    “Before I forget, Zebes was a completely underground base, and I believe glassing only hits the surface?”

    are pirtates required to breathe? do they need some sort of water or anything? just read locust Vs. the covenant to see what glassing can do.

  22. Who? April 8, 2009 at 9:30 pm -      #22

    “On the ground the pirates can hold there own until the overwelming forces dwindle them down.”

    For some reason, I think this arguement was already made, and shot down. “shrug”

    “As for space, covie has that in bag. A super-carrier ha a weapon that can bisect 5 UNSC warships. Thats over 5 kilometers of titanium a battle plate. Consiering there are thousands of suprcarries around High Charity, the pirates have no chance. The boarding parties won’t work. in one supercarier there are well over a thousad troops. That just adds to the fact that the other ships will turn on thier sister if all else fails.”

    Hmm… I will get back to you about the space pirate fleet. While I’m sure their “black hole” beams will make short work, I don’t have a grand knowledge on the fleet in general. Either way, the Covenant fleet should prove to be formable.

    “Also using covenant tech is very complex. It took even Cortana awhile to figure it out.”

    Are you suggesting that Mother Brain can’t? Mata, face palm this boy!

    “Planets will be glassed, pirates will die, and the Covenant will be victorious.”

    Getting a little carried away.

  23. Who? April 8, 2009 at 10:45 pm -      #23

    “are pirtates required to breathe? do they need some sort of water or anything?”

    That’s a good question… They have been shown to survive in just about any enviroment without any notable are apparent breathing equipment. Perhaps they have been inhaced geneticly enough that they no longer have to breath… Not much info on the matter. I seriously doubt the Covenant would have a chance to do so with the Pirate’s planetary defenses. And since most of their citys are sealed completley underground, they might have enough life support to use some of the planet’s defenses to blast the seal apart if the Covies somehow prevail… Again, I will have to do more research on the matter.

  24. Cpt Olimar April 8, 2009 at 10:53 pm -      #24

    “Are you suggesting that Mother Brain can’t?” you would need to get the info to her, which would mean mid-battle at best no? I can imagine the pirates being like viruses, tons of them plunging into the covenant ships at all sorts of parts of it. Pirate’s ram into your ships at somewhat random parts, if they run into a critical part of the ship lets say…. there’s a decent chance the ship is already screwed. And usually the pirates that attempt to board are slaves, so they won’t be losing much in terms of troops. All the advanced pirates will probably be on higher tech battle ships of something.

    It’s a shame the prime games didn’t explore the capabilities of
    A) samus’s ship, which i was REALLY hoping for in MP3
    B) the pirate fleet
    While we saw them fight, and we know that, with dark samus, they easily beat a powerful ship, with inexperienced troops however, so the potential for destruction is there. I just see samus busting into ship after ship taking over the controls and shooting other covenant ships. While “infected” ships might be taken care off initially, in a large/long battle I see the “infected” ships being harder to keep track of and possibly getting out of hand. Perhaps the pirates will even escape to other worlds with these ships and reverse engineer the most useful properties, thus gaining even more tech advantage.

    If the batch of Elite Pirates that samus killed are allowed to be deployed, and there would be probably a good deal more if samus hadn’t destroyed it, they would prove very effective in taking over ships, or on land battles.

    One of the difficulties of this match is…. when in the metroid tmieline are we talking about this? Typically in universe battles, you allow the villains that died in games to participate, but the problem is that the overall timeline would be kinda weird with the pirates having phazon tech, and mother brain, and zebes still around. Which form of Ridley? “normal” meta omega?

    If we give the pirates everything they ever made and have them against the covenant, I can’t see the covenant surviving the very effecting phazon weapons. It’s just too powerful, the shots will practically one hit most troops in halo, considering its effectiveness against samus with her chozo armor on. While not all of the Metroid bosses can be included, like most of the ones in MP2, enough can be included to bolster the lines if needed in certain areas. I can see ridley flying through the air at top speeds and just bombing out scarabs and troops from behind. While Kraid wouldn’t last long (if they even managed to transport him anywhere…) beings like omega pirate and the animated rock guy would probably last awhile.

    This still requires more analysis however, I just don’t know enough about Halo to make a call yet.

  25. Scenario April 8, 2009 at 10:55 pm -      #25

    “In one supercarrier there are well over a thousand troops.”
    Depends on where the troops are, doesn’t it? If the covenant releases their ground forces, there will probably only be a few guards and the crew. If the Pirates attack before the troops were released, it would be a simple matter to hit the cockpit and seal the doors/cut off life support/activate self-destruct. They’re good at that last one.

    “Also using covenant tech is very complex.”
    You mean Forerunner tech? That’s what the covenant uses. I’m willing to bet that it only looked complex because the UNSC was unfamiliar with plasma weapons. In addition, the Pirates figured out Chozo tech. And copied some of Samus’s weapons by studying their effects and eyewitness/security camera reports(Samus had the weapons at the time, and they were NOT taking them from her).

    “Are pirtates required to breathe? Do they need some sort of water or anything? Just read locust Vs. the covenant to see what glassing can do.”
    Point conceded, then. You’re right. How long does glassing usually take? The Pirates did have some pretty decent anti-air cannons (not anti-spacecraft, as far as I know). How far do they need to be from the planet?

    I seem to remember that the only (in story) reason Samus wasn’t being plagued by Pirates throughout the Zebes mission was because they were being distracted by the Federation. Zebes was a completely impenetrable (by invasion, anyway) fortress, and I wouldn’t put it past Mother Brain to have some kind of ventilation/breathable gas creation system in place. It’s only an assumption, however, as Tourian is several miles underground.

    Also, it bears repeating: Micro black hole generator.

  26. Space marine April 9, 2009 at 12:16 am -      #26

    the_man_with The_Answers

    Cross out the word man and replace with preteen and replace answers with hyperbole

  27. Who? April 9, 2009 at 12:45 am -      #27

    “Also, it bears repeating: Micro black hole generator.”

    Nuff said…

  28. L-W April 9, 2009 at 1:36 am -      #28

    “Point conceded, then. You’re right. How long does glassing usually take?”

    From canon sources it takes thirty-six vessels to evaporate a major portion of a Planet’s Oceanic body within an hour. Total evaporation of the atmosphere can take up to a week.

  29. Matapiojo April 9, 2009 at 7:36 am -      #29

    “It’s a shame the prime games didn’t explore the capabilities of
    A) samus’s ship, which i was REALLY hoping for in MP3″

    I am pretty certain they are saving this gem to have a Metroid release post Prime. I am sure they would want to explore with a flight simulator on the Wii.

    True, they have Star Fox for that, but Samus’ Gunship may also give them an interesting game if they choose to explore it.

  30. Cpt Olimar April 9, 2009 at 9:43 am -      #30

    True mata, but the game was continuously teasing me. They explained so many of the ships controls early, including the jets or something, and all you ever really do is click where you want to go. I was constantly expecting some “emergency” type situation with the ship but… :(

  31. Matapiojo April 9, 2009 at 9:57 am -      #31

    Yea, I remember the whole ship interactivity being a major pitch throughout the game’s design. I mean, the ship features in MP3 are still neat in making use of the Wiimotes, but it is not what we wre wanting at all.

    Maybe someday, bro.

  32. Who? April 9, 2009 at 6:42 pm -      #32

    They need a metroid game with free-roaming capabilities utilizing her ship to it’s fullest extent. You know, there would still be a storyline and all, but still. Bounty Hunter 2, if it will ever come out, should be formed in the same way…

  33. Space marine April 9, 2009 at 7:11 pm -      #33

    After playing farcry 2 you NEVER want to play a free roaming game again…

  34. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 10, 2009 at 4:15 am -      #34

    if the covenant took over reach an entire planet of spartans just like MC they can take any base and if they cant they glass the entire planet plus the covenant can use boarding pods to take over the engine room bring a bomb into the ship and blow it up from the inside like in halo 2 the only time that backfired was when chief deactivated it and put it back on their ship so yea space pirates have a run for there money especially if this is before tarturus was killed

  35. Scenario April 10, 2009 at 12:21 pm -      #35

    One of their bases is inside a force field and constantly rains acid, one is completely underground, and another is more of a research base, but is also underground and saturated in Phazon. It would be very difficult to take any of them, and the Pirates would attack if the Covenant even got close to one of them. Then there’s Phaaze.

    A boarding pod full of metroids would wipe out just about any Covenant ship, while leaving the technology unharmed. All it would take was one ship before every Pirate is walking around with reverse engineered (and improved) needlers, brute shots, and plasma grenades.

  36. JoshMcFace April 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm -      #36

    So what about the phazon leviathans then?? Anyone know how long it would take to corrupt a planet or Covenant base, considering what L-W said about the time glassing takes?
    I think that in spite of the time it takes, the leviathans would ensure a victory for the pirates, as they can travel through wormholes, and can be constantly produced as long as the Dark Samus and planet Phaaze are in existence, which would be extremely hard for the Covenant to reach, let alone destroy.

  37. EnigmaJ April 10, 2009 at 4:40 pm -      #37

    But what would be the point of that?

    Isnt the point of the phaazon leviathons is to infect a planet with phazon? But isnt there a possibility the Covenant troops/civis would be corrupted instead of killed?

    Then you’d have phazon enhanced Elites running around everyewhere…

    I’m just asking…

  38. JoshMcFace April 10, 2009 at 5:43 pm -      #38

    Not necessarily. Phazon corruption can only become beneficial once a PED device is made and installed into the corrupted being, which I don’t think the Covenant would have the tech to do.
    On the planet of Tallon IV the Phazon poisoned the ecosystem and destroyed even a Chozo society, which is far more advanced than that of either the Pirates or the Covenant. The Phazon Meteor that struck Aether split the planet two dimensions, plagued it with lightning storms and transformed once lush regions into barren wasteland.
    There’s also the fact that Phazon corruption would increase the influence of Dark Samus over the Covenant.

  39. Who? April 10, 2009 at 5:45 pm -      #39

    Now that I think of it, phazon inhanced Covies does sound pretty badass… But they would still be under Dark Samus/pirate control.

  40. the_man_with The_Answers April 10, 2009 at 7:28 pm -      #40

    Black holes won’t do much. Covie ships will just jump out system. Slip space isn’t effected by things in normal space. Also I don’t think they will get through a super-carrier’s shield easily. it takes multiple archer missles, a MAC round, and a nuke to even make a covie desrtoyer start to withdraw. A super-carrier can take alot more punishment. it takes 500 archer missles and a nuke(detonated in the shields) to destroy one. note that the nuke went off in the shields but the tiny charge left in the shields still held te blast in during the fall of reach. L-W you’re right if they used standard destroyers. Cut thetime in half with super carriers. Let’s say the SPs got on board, they miracoulasly kill the troops but unless they are as strong as a SPARTAN-II, then arn’t getting through a locked door, which are incredibly strong according to the novels. If the SP did take over a ship, the time that it would take for the other’s to turn on it wouldn’t give them time to crack the tech. How strong are the SP single-ship space fighters? Either way I’d bet that they wold destroy the covenant seraphs. The vampires however might stand a chance. I doubt that the AA guns would come into play against the capital ships. If the covenant sent a magority of there navy to Zebes glassed it(glassing does collapse underground caves and buildings) then moved on, the SP would be severly crippled. giving the covies a chance.

  41. L-W April 10, 2009 at 10:21 pm -      #41

    “Black holes won’t do much. Covie ships will just jump out system. Slip space isn’t effected by things in normal space.”

    A good example of when Science fails.

    The Covenant slipspace drive could barely operate in the upper atmosphere of the Gas Giant Threshold, the permutations of the gravitational field gradually throwing off each vital calculation even until the point that Cortana could barely operate efficiently.

    The massive gravity well generated by a Gravitational singularity such as a black hole is equivalent of dozens of solar masses, with an event horizon measured in light minutes. Can you honestly tell me that a Covenant slip drive could make the jump unharmed and unhindered?

    – – –

    I think it’s safe to say everyone, that when the_man_with The_Answers makes a scientific postulation, should probably take everything he says afterward with a pinch of salt.

  42. Who? April 10, 2009 at 11:17 pm -      #42

    during the pirate’s conquest of Zebes, the micro black hole generator tore through the planetary shield and nearly ripped Zebes ascender (it tore much of the surface off) and would have consumed it had the pirates not powered it down in time. It did so with remarkible speeds… I wonder what this thing could do to High Charity…

  43. Skrunks April 11, 2009 at 3:30 am -      #43

    One thing you guys haven’t discussed yet is morality. Space Pirates are nasty little buggers. They have no qualms about experimenting on thier own kind or life forms (sentient or not) indigenous to other planets. In a drawn out war, Space Pirates would utilize any and all advantages the could. Given their advanced genetic engineering, cloning definatly wouldn’t be out of the question. There goes the Covies numerical advantage. Heck, I bet the Space Pirates already utilize cloning, that’s why no one can ever seem to be rid of them. Not only that, but Space Pirates would capture Covies and torture them, experiement on them, figure out what makes them tick. Ever seen the Animatrix when the machines win the war? That’s the level of empathy Space Pirates have. There’s a reason Samus doesn’t will slaughtering them by the truckloads. They’re the scum of the universe. The Covenant on the other hand have a high moral standing. They have limited troops, and they don’t seem to big on cloning.

    I’d give the Space Pirates a win. The Covenant would have another Civil War after going to war with the Space Pirates, after they capture a Prophet, mutate him with phazon then drop him back on thier doorstep grotesque and shrivling.

  44. the_man_with The_Answers April 11, 2009 at 11:07 am -      #44

    Good piont Skrunks. L-W do you realize if the covies jumped close enough to the planet using te black hole geneater would be suicide? The reason the flag ship could barely jump from the gas giant was because Cortana was slowed(deu to all the information obtianed on Instalation 04), she just figured out the system, and they were all ready damaged in critical areas. Still it would probably consume the ships close enough. Even you have to admit that they would b safe in slipspace.

  45. Who? April 11, 2009 at 1:04 pm -      #45

    “I’d give the Space Pirates a win. The Covenant would have another Civil War after going to war with the Space Pirates, after they capture a Prophet, mutate him with phazon then drop him back on thier doorstep grotesque and shrivling.”

    Ha ha ha! I can see the look of their faces now… Unfortunately, I see the prophet’s too. That’s pretty damn gross. Go Pirates!!! Field goal, yeah!

  46. L-W April 11, 2009 at 8:36 pm -      #46

    “L-W do you realize if the covies jumped close enough to the planet using te black hole geneater would be suicide?”

    She *barely* managed to make the jump (Clearly the Flagship wasn’t intended for that leap – Especially since the Earth leap was considered nigh suicidal) within the limited confines of the Threshold upper atmosphere, as the slipspace drive is dependent on calculating atomic thin breeches by making ruptures between normal space and the alternate dimensional plane.

    This is accomplished by creating quantum black holes with particle accelerators. Hawking Radiation prevents these microscopic black holes from existing for more than a nanosecond, but in that time the drive is able to manipulate them into forming a coherent rupture between normal space and the slipstream. If an incident prevented the successful destabilization of a quantum black hole before, such as the projection of an even larger black hole, the vessel in question is either:

    A) Going to fail in making the necessary calculations.
    B) Will make the jump, only to either destroy itself upon re-entry, lose itself in some unknown dimension or fall apart as debris.
    C) Accidentally leap into the black hole itself.

    Just as a point of reference:

    The Gravitational Field strength on Earth is approximately 10Nkg-2.
    The Gravitational Field strength of Jupiter’s upper atmosphere is 24.66Nkg^-1 (similar to Threshold).
    The Gravitational Field strength of a “Yellow” Star is 30,00,000Nkg^ – 2.
    The Gravitational Field strength of a small Black Hole is estimated at 400,000,000Nkg-2.

    “Even you have to admit that they would b safe in slipspace.”

    Hardly. Slipspace is easily met with a new set of perils, one that a massive distortion in real space could more than easily upset. Despite the limited confines of slipspace though, you fail to understand or take into account the mechanics of generating a slipspace rupture.

  47. Matapiojo April 13, 2009 at 6:42 am -      #47

    Given the recent find by Skrunks regarding the potency of the weapons in Metroid universe, the Covenant might be severely out-classed. If the pirates have weapons and armor that are up to scale to dealing with opponents wielding multi-terrawatt armaments, then the inferior-by-comparison plasma technology will most definitely fail to deliver sufficient kills to earn the Covenant a victory.

    This fight now seems lopsided in favor of the notorious vandals.

  48. Who? April 13, 2009 at 4:24 pm -      #48

    “This fight now seems lopsided in favor of the notorious vandals.”

    Indeed…

  49. Skrunks April 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm -      #49

    Which brings up a thought. If Metroid Hand held weapons can operate in the Terrawatt range, doe capital class Metroid weapons operate in the Petawatt? Higher even? *shrugs* Even if they had equal weapons technology, I still think the Pirates would have won. They’re like walking coakroaches with disintigrator guns. You just can’t seem to be rid of them.

  50. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 14, 2009 at 5:10 pm -      #50

    if the covanant stayed at range the entire fight theyed have a chance if they excesively used trip mines and deployable cover to keep enemies back btw if im wrong correct me but can brute firebombs incinerate phazon if it can the covanant have chance at wining ground battles and if elites dont mind suicde bombing ships from the inside they have a chance at naval battles too and hunters and scarabs will help win attacks on bases because scarabs are auto driven so they could attack without a crew so phazon wouldn’t affect it and hunters use fuel rod beams which send out radiation that could hurt space pirates afterward if they survived a the blast unless phazon protects the pirates in some way from radiation

  51. Skrunks April 14, 2009 at 10:54 pm -      #51

    Phazon is quite possibly the most energetic substance in existance. The mere fact that some Pirates can contain it without killing every single person on one of their ships just goes to show that any radiation based weapon would be utterly useless. But you simply don’t seem to grasp what ‘Terrawatt’ means. Two of Samus’ shots from her arm cannon have enough energy to equal the Hiroshima bomb. The Space Pirates technology is a little less advanced, but nonetheless very effective. The Space Pirates are in the same league as the Rebel Alliance, and there is just no way the Covenant have the firepower or technology to put a serious dent in the Pirate Forces. They’re a serious threat to a Galactic Superpower, with the military might to oppose them and they utilize it in hit and run raid tactics. The Covenant don’t really seem to show much penchant for strategy. They have the whole ‘We pwn you.’ attitude, and just charge in with massive fleets and overwhelming firepower. The pirates on the other hand utilize advanced psychological warfare, hit and run tactics and pretty much any underhanded tactic they can to win. They fight dirty. They’re that bully that kicks the other kids in the balls, throws dirt in their eyes then attacks. The Covenant don’t stand a chance.

  52. Cpt Olimar April 15, 2009 at 1:08 am -      #52

    Skrunks, empty phazon is EXTREMELY deadly to pirates. If you explode a container of phazon near pirates they all die no matter what. I disagree that they are immune to its radiation. However, I agree with everything else you said.

  53. El Zilcho April 15, 2009 at 5:59 am -      #53

    “Covenant don’t really seem to show much penchant for strategy. They have the whole ‘We pwn you.’ attitude, and just charge in with massive fleets and overwhelming firepower.”

    To be fair on the Covenant, they could easily get away with that; not only did they have a numerical superiority over the UNSC, but each one of their ships was worth at least three human vessels in combat.

    That being said, numerical superiority is the only thing the Covenant have over Pirates. Each individual Space Pirate troop is easily more capable then an Elite, and that’s not including the more exotic Pirate soldiers. Elite Pirates and Berserker Knights will put Hunters (Mgalekgolo) to shame, and a couple of Metroids will decimate companies of Covenant troops.
    Unlike the UNSC, the Pirates don’t need to defend territory due to their nomadic raiding nature, making it almost impossible for the Covenant to bring any fleet superiority they might possess into full effect. While Glassing is a potent form of bombardment, it takes time, and has less effect against underground bases. Coincidentally enough, the Pirate seem to specialize in underground bases.

    What I would like to see is the damage Ridley would be capable of doing to Covenant ships. Landing on one, ripping the hull open and butchering his way through the crew, followed by a tasty regeneration meal. Grunts on toast?

  54. JoshMcFace April 15, 2009 at 7:35 am -      #54

    “They’re that bully that kicks the other kids in the balls, throws dirt in their eyes then attacks.”
    That has to be the most perfect description i’ve ever heard.

  55. Matapiojo April 15, 2009 at 9:15 am -      #55

    “What I would like to see is the damage Ridley would be capable of doing to Covenant ships. Landing on one, ripping the hull open and butchering his way through the crew, followed by a tasty regeneration meal. Grunts on toast?”

    That would be pretty interesting to watch animated.

  56. Skrunks April 15, 2009 at 10:09 pm -      #56

    “Skrunks, empty phazon is EXTREMELY deadly to pirates. If you explode a container of phazon near pirates they all die no matter what. I disagree that they are immune to its radiation. However, I agree with everything else you said.”

    What I meant is that the fact that they can contain it forms that can be transported safely just goes to show how adept they are at dealing with radiation. Not to mention certain nasties like Omega Pirate who actually draw energy from the stuff.

    “That has to be the most perfect description i’ve ever heard.”

    Thanks :D

    “What I would like to see is the damage Ridley would be capable of doing to Covenant ships. Landing on one, ripping the hull open and butchering his way through the crew, followed by a tasty regeneration meal. Grunts on toast?”

    Hahahahahahahahahaha. I love that so much.

  57. Cpt Olimar April 15, 2009 at 11:17 pm -      #57

    I think the elite pirates will show the elite who is really elite hehehe……
    If you include Dark Samus too as she is commanding the pirates in MP3… then I can only see pirate forces raiding the covenant to death.

  58. the_man_with The_Answers April 16, 2009 at 7:46 pm -      #58

    L-W do you have any proof of *normal* space corrupting slipspace? I’ve read all the books at least twice and I have yet to see that happens. UNSC ships rarely disappear in slipspace that makes covie ships practically immune to that effect. But conclusive proof says the SPs win.

  59. JoshMcFace April 17, 2009 at 12:55 pm -      #59

    Phazon radiation is extremely dangerous to almost all life forms and even when infused artificially causes Phazon rejection, which leads to organ failure, aggression, madness, mutation and death.
    The fact that the Pirates are able to bypass the negative effects whilst retaining the beneficial mutations shows that they either have extreme tolerance to Phazon radiation, are advanced enough to nullify the negative effects of such dangerous substances, or have such vast numbers and lack of value for life that they can simply discard those who suffer Phazon rejection and replace them with a new fresh mutants.
    Even without the massive gap between Pirate and Covenant weapons that has been discovered, Phazon would ultimately be the Covenant’s downfall.

  60. the_man_with The_Answers April 18, 2009 at 9:55 am -      #60

    Ya kind of figured. I would never say plasma is stronger than phazon.

  61. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 18, 2009 at 6:04 pm -      #61

    heres how i see it

    space pirateelite minor(brutes are way tougher than elites)
    elite piratescarab(scarabs excell in seiges not 1 on 1)
    omega pirate > or = arbiter(can’t decide)

    these are all the close battles that might happen every thing else is an instant win for pirates covenant are still cool though

  62. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 18, 2009 at 6:07 pm -      #62

    theres a glitch in my computer everything got mixed up

    elite pirate space pirate scarabelite

  63. Skrunks April 18, 2009 at 10:18 pm -      #63

    “omega pirate > or = arbiter(can’t decide)”

    BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

    *takes a deep breath*

    *looks back at the above statement*

    BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!

    That’s like putting a hamster agianst a tiger. A giant tiger, with phazon enhancement, a cloaking device, wave quake generator and plasma cannons. Omega would laugh with enough force to make sangheli sandwich out of good Ol’ Arby.

  64. L-W April 18, 2009 at 11:58 pm -      #64

    “L-W do you have any proof of *normal* space corrupting slipspace? I’ve read all the books at least twice and I have yet to see that happens. UNSC ships rarely disappear in slipspace that makes covie ships practically immune to that effect. But conclusive proof says the SPs win.”

    I suggest you best go back and re-read those books, rather than idly stare at the front cover and imagine what you could be reading.

    Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 146
    Halo: First Strike, page 289
    Halo: Contact Harvest, page 175

    Apparently I haven’t hammered the point enough to bypass the thickness of your skull. Whilst traveling in the slipspace stream nullifies the dangers of real space (Although a new set of dangers become apparent), slipspace drives use particle accelerators to rip apart normal space-time by generating micro black holes, a process that is so delicate it requires only an atomic thin breech or even a minor gravitational permutation to throw off the calculations and prevent a jump.

    Imagine the difficulty associated with performing billions of individuals focused on an atom sized area or space, now imagine what happens when each calculation has to be continually adjusted for the slightest altercation in mass and density such as the gravity generate by small rock passing by the ship.

    Pretty difficult to start off with, now throw off the billions off calculations with a rapidly fluctuating singularity trillions of orders of greater gravitational pull than any planet of star. The canon mechanics of slipspace travel pretty much *obviously* states that the Covenant are not going to be able to open a slipstream with a singularity nearby, they’ll have to flee the system via conventional propulsion before even attempting such a maneuver.

  65. the_man_with The_Answers April 19, 2009 at 11:24 am -      #65

    Covie slipspace is more like opening a hole. The UNSC rips hole. But did you ignore that if they jumped close enough to the planet or into the atmoshere with a fully repaired super carrier (proof that they can do that is in Ghosts of Onyx) that using the black hole would not only destoy the covie fleet but it would also destroy the planet? Yuo keep pionting out that wounded ships that aren’t even close the power of a super carrier can barely make these jumps.

  66. the_man_with The_Answers April 19, 2009 at 11:25 am -      #66

    What else do you want from me?I ‘ve already admited that the Space Pirates would win!

  67. Who? April 19, 2009 at 7:05 pm -      #67

    If you think that’s funny Skrunks, look what else he wrote…

    “space pirateelite minor(brutes are way tougher than elites)

    elite pirate space pirate scarabelite”

    Priceless…

  68. L-W April 19, 2009 at 8:50 pm -      #68

    “Covie slipspace is more like opening a hole.”

    Except in both cases you’ve failed to concede that Hawkins radiation is still a necessary mechanism in sealing a direct link between the slipstream and real space.

    What else in the universe may prevent the decay of naturally occurring gravitational body? It would have to be some form of singularity, a massive gravitational permutation of sorts with an event horizon measured in light minutes, but what can do that?

    Sorry kid, I think it’s become obvious you have little to no understanding of the laws of physics. Heck, in the Scarab Vs. AT-AT board you even had the audacity to claim that the release of two hundred gigatons of energy would *destroy* the Solar system.

    The Earth receives a total dose of around ten gigatons each year, she once even sustained a 100,000 gigaton blast. But the solar system seems fine, right?

  69. Space marine April 20, 2009 at 12:09 am -      #69

    The Earth receives a total dose of around ten gigatons each year, she once even sustained a 100,000 gigaton blast. But the solar system seems fine, right?

    Well, In few billion years the Sun is going to expand and boil the Earth eat Mercury and Venus, Other than that, Fine.

  70. L-W April 20, 2009 at 1:28 am -      #70

    Except the output of an expanding Red Giant recorded even in milliseconds is far beyond immeasurable in comparison to the relatively minor output of the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event measured over the course of days.

    It’s almost like comparing a fridge magnet to dozens of Large Hadron Colliders.

  71. Skrunks April 20, 2009 at 4:48 am -      #71

    “If you think that’s funny Skrunks, look what else he wrote…”

    I didn’t even bother with the rest of it, that last one I thought was so funny that the rest wasn’t worth my attention.

  72. guns_talk_louder April 22, 2009 at 7:54 pm -      #72

    im sorry maybe you can’t read i said my computer was glitching and randomly mixing,and deleting some of my text

    brute chieftan > elite pirate (chieftan are alot stronger than elite pirates and have invulerability and grav hammers)

    name any kind of pirate and i will name the equivalent no matter how you look at it you can’t say the covenant are easily going to lose they might even win most of their battles

  73. Scenario April 22, 2009 at 10:48 pm -      #73

    “name any kind of pirate and i will name the equivalent no matter how you look at it you can’t say the covenant are easily going to lose they might even win most of their battles”

    Omega Pirate, Pirate Commander, Pirate Commando, Phazon Elite, Golden Pirate, Black Pirate, etc.

    You’ll run out of covenant before I run out of pirates. But I’m going to say Weavil>Arbiter

  74. Who? April 22, 2009 at 11:35 pm -      #74

    “im sorry maybe you can’t read i said my computer was glitching and randomly mixing,and deleting some of my text”

    Umm… Nope, we can read pretty well. Question is, can you? Post #49 Read it, shut up.

  75. Skrunks April 22, 2009 at 11:49 pm -      #75

    Yes and I’m saying that Elite Pirate > 10 Brute Chieftain. Sure Brute Chieftain’s have temporary damage immunity, but Space Pirate Elites have immunity to everything except direct blows to the head. Not only that, but Elites stand a good 12 feet tall, and their plasma blades are several grades above Energy Swords from Halo. Furthermore, if a Brute Chieftain ever thought it would be a good idea to leap at an Elite to smash his head with the Gravity hammer, he would find himself impaled on said plasma blades.

    Oh yeah, and Elites have built in Plasma Cannons.

  76. L-W April 23, 2009 at 12:01 am -      #76

    “im sorry maybe you can’t read i said my computer was glitching and randomly mixing,and deleting some of my text”

    Considering that almost all evidence points to you bordering on the illiterate, can you blame them for not understanding your incorrect assertions?

  77. El Zilcho April 23, 2009 at 2:50 am -      #77

    It’s ludicrous to compare a Brute Chieftain to an Elite Pirate. Our good friends the brutes field two types of Chieftains; the Red Chieftain who is equipped with temporary invincibility and a Gravity Hammer, and the Gold Chieftain who wields either a Plasma Turret or a Fuel Rod Cannon.

    An Elite Pirate is a combination of the above two things, then a whole lot more. As Shrunks pointed out, their plasma blades put Energy Swords to shame, and their wave quake generators offer a far greater coverage then a Hammer. They are equipped with Plasma Artillery, which makes them extremely potent in ranged combat, and an energy absorbing ability which, funnily enough, absorbs any energy based attacks (such as Plasma) while active, which in turn is used to power the massive cannon that the Pirate uses.

    I’m really failing to see how 10 Brute Chieftains would have a hope of killing 1 Pirate.

  78. the_man_with The_Answers April 23, 2009 at 7:26 pm -      #78

    Sorry, I’m in college to be paleotologist. And if a 27 gigaton nuke(NOVA bomb) can destroy a planet than 200 gigaton nuke would destroy at least half solar system.

  79. Cpt Olimar April 23, 2009 at 10:16 pm -      #79

    “Sorry, I’m in college to be paleotologist. And if a 27 gigaton nuke(NOVA bomb) can destroy a planet than 200 gigaton nuke would destroy at least half solar system.”

    ….
    …………………….
    …………………………………
    FAIL…do you have any idea how far apart planets are? ANY idea?

  80. L-W April 23, 2009 at 10:37 pm -      #80

    “Sorry, I’m in college to be paleotologist. And if a 27 gigaton nuke(NOVA bomb) can destroy a planet than 200 gigaton nuke would destroy at least half solar system.”

    1) The Nova nuclear warhead did not destroy the Planet in question, and even if it was stationed directly on the surface, it’s not going to cause anything more than superficial continental wide damage at best. I’m afraid Planet Busting capabilities are beyond either the UNSC or Covenant.

    2) Those are TOTALLY different processes, as I’ve explained to you several times on these boards. Especially since I have yet to even refer to antimatter/matter annihilation as a fissile or nuclear detonation.

    3) Orders of magnitude fail. You do know how big the solar system is, right? If a nuclear weapon is exploded in a vacuum-i. e., in space-the complexion of weapon effects changes drastically: First, in the absence of an atmosphere, blast disappears completely. Second, thermal radiation, as usually defined, also disappears. There is no longer any air for the blast wave to heat and much higher frequency radiation is emitted from the weapon itself.

    In the case of the Nova bomb, the atmosphere of the nearby planet would have cushioned most of the blast radius quite easily, but the photon emission radiated would have caused some fairly interesting effects upon the upper atmosphere which would result in a severe atmospheric disturbance akin to a high yield Hurricane. But you do realize that the energy necessary to crack (Let alone destroy a Planet) is measured in Peta and teratons?

    Anyway, destroy half the solar system? A two hundred Gigaton blast would probably scorch the Earth beyond currently known recognition (Even though it has taken a 100,000 gigaton blast to the face – And survived) and divert the orbit of the Moon in some manner, but are you honestly suggesting that a non-existent and greatly diminished blast wave with little to no thermal radiation could (Since most of the Solar system is being bombarded by gamma radiation it would hardly make a difference) encompass the 40 million km distance to Venus, or the greater 100 million Km leap to Mars? Let alone effect major stellar bodies such as Jupiter or…

    …I don’t know. The SUN!

    /facepalm to the extreme.

  81. L-W April 24, 2009 at 12:11 am -      #81

    “FAIL…do you have any idea how far apart planets are? ANY idea?”

    Love the added insult to injury Olimar. Anyway, I just thought I’d present the calculations taken from a theoreatical 200 gigaton nuclear detonation.

    Thermal radiation radius (3rd degree burns): 1738.9 kilometres
    Air blast radius (widespread destruction): 405.5 kilometres
    Air blast radius (near-total fatalities): 153.6 kilometers
    Ionizing radiation radius (500 rem): 31.7 kilometers
    Fireball duration: 1093.1 seconds
    Fireball radius (minimum): 57 kilometers
    Fireball radius (airburst): 69.7 kilometers
    Fireball radius (ground-contact airburst): 91.9 kilometres

    Certainly is destructive, it would cause a lot of superficial damage and would certainly alter the appearance of the biosphere, but that’s a blast radius six thousand times smaller than the total surface area of continental Europe.

    Hardly what you would call “half the solar system”, is it? Stick to digging in the dirt.

  82. the_man_with The_Answers April 24, 2009 at 7:20 pm -      #82

    Read the novel ghosts of onyx again. a Nova bomb detonated in a covie ship sienged 1/3 of the near by planet’s surface, destroyed the moon, and destroyed any covie ship that wasn’t on the darkside. Even without a planet’s atmoshpere, thats hellish damage. Remember, know that I was using a 200 gigaton bomb if it were in Halo tech. the Nova is only 27 gigaton. So mabye not half the solar system but the 200-gig would effect Mars at least.

  83. Cpt Olimar April 24, 2009 at 8:11 pm -      #83

    “So mabye not half the solar system but the 200-gig would effect Mars at least.

    yet again……
    Do you know how far apart planets are? ANY IDEA?
    the only way it would affect mars is if it blew up the moon and send a huge chunk flying directly at Mars…….and there’s more probability that the sun would spontaneously explode than that happening.

    Now that I think about it, I wonder what would happen if a huge bomb was set off in the asteroid belt… pinball anyone?

  84. L-W April 24, 2009 at 8:58 pm -      #84

    “So mabye not half the solar system but the 200-gig would effect Mars at least.”

    This is why you fail so hard. Effect Mars? You’re a certifiable idiot in the most extreme of cases.

  85. Skrunks April 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm -      #85

    “Read the novel ghosts of onyx again. a Nova bomb detonated in a covie ship sienged 1/3 of the near by planet’s surface, destroyed the moon, and destroyed any covie ship that wasn’t on the darkside. Even without a planet’s atmoshpere, thats hellish damage. Remember, know that I was using a 200 gigaton bomb if it were in Halo tech. the Nova is only 27 gigaton. So mabye not half the solar system but the 200-gig would effect Mars at least.”

    My turn!!! *leaps up and down*

    Aside from totally ignoring what L-W just said, like the fact that in space there is no blast wave to destroy a planet with, let’s put it this way:

    When Mars is at it’s closest to us, it is 56 million km away. (I’m assuming you understand how orbits work, so when I say closest, Earth is actually inbetween Mars and the Sun. At it’s farthest, the opposite is true and the distance is closer to 400 million km)

    Mars is 58 million km away from the Sun. Not a whole lot more then the distance from Earth to Mars at it’s closest.

    So what is the sun? A ball of nuclear plasma. It releases 3.86×10e26 Joules every second. That is 386 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 J, or 386 YJ or YottaJoules. To put it in perspective, the Sun is the equivalent of a 92 256 214 Gigaton Bomb going off every SECOND. Mercury is only 58 Million Km away from the Sun, and it takes the beating of a ninety two million, two hundred and fifty six thousand, two hundred and fourteen gigaton fusion bomb every. Single. Second. Of. It’s. Freaking. Life.

    You can’t honestly tell me that a bomb with less then one ten millionth of the power that a planet takes each day would blow it to pieces. Do you know what kind of force it would take to blow up the planet?

    Earth’s Gravitational Binding Energy is 2.2 x 10e32 J. Or 22 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 J, or 220 000 000 Yottajoules. Do you know what the gravitational Binding Energy is? It is the Energy of the Gravity of a planet. In otherwords, you need more then 220 Million Yottajoules to blow up the Earth. So how much energy is that? Really?

    You would need a 5.3 x10e13 Gigaton Bomb. Or, 53 000 000 000 000. You would need a bomb with 53 trillion Gigatons to blow up a planet. Do you get what I’m saying? 53 trillion Gigatons. If every human on Earth held a nuclear bomb in their hands, do you know how big those bombs would be to totally blow up the earth? Each person would need a 9000 Gigaton Bomb. So let’s put that into perspective compared to your 200 Gigaton figure. At 200 Gigatons a bomb, you would need, I dunno, 265 Billion of them to blow up the Earth.

    So, in true Mythbuster style, what WOULD it take to blow up the entire Solar System?

    Honestly, nothing short of a supernova. A supernova is 1.2×10e44 J, or 2.9x10e25 Gigatons. Do I really need to put that into conventional numbers?

    Heck, why not? To blow up the solar system, you would need an explosive force of 29 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Gigatons, or incase that gives you a headache, 29 septillion Gigatons.

    Dear lord, I just blew away some of my favorite Sci-Fi explosions. :(

    There goes my dreams for developing a bomb so powerful it could blow up a galaxy. *pouts*

  86. Skrunks April 24, 2009 at 10:19 pm -      #86

    EDIT: Up there, by accident, I said that Mars was 58 Million KM from the sun when I meant to Say Mercury. My apologies.

  87. L-W April 25, 2009 at 12:17 am -      #87

    Don’t worry, I understood what you meant. Excellent analysis. Yet somehow I doubt it would manage to get through to him.

    “There goes my dreams for developing a bomb so powerful it could blow up a galaxy. *pouts*”

    You don’t need a Bomb, you can do it with a Coffee Can if you put your mind to it (And several trillion dollars).

  88. Scenario April 26, 2009 at 6:29 pm -      #88

    With all of that in mind, remember that the Space Pirate’s emergency, “If I can’t have it no one can” system blew up Zebes. Not glassed, not devoid of life, they made the planet EXPLODE.

    Zebes is stated to be 4.8 trillion teratons, and I think this is about 4.8 Zetta tons (i have no idea what I’m doing, please let me know). That would put it at a little smaller than Earth.

    So the Pirates can blow up a planet through currently unknown means. I think this puts them above the covenant.

  89. L-W April 26, 2009 at 8:26 pm -      #89

    “Zebes is stated to be 4.8 trillion teratons”

    Even if it is a smaller than Earth Planetoid, the explosive power required to detonate it entirely (I assume this is what happens) would place their firepower at yields beyond that of the Covenant.

  90. OriginalA April 27, 2009 at 2:01 am -      #90

    Wouldn’t Zebes be significantly larger than Earth?

    Zebes’s mass being 4.8 Trillion Teratons == 4.8 x 10^24 (ambiguous) tons

    Earth’s mass being 5.9742 × 10^24 kg.

    1 kilogram = 0.00110231131 short tons
    1 kilogram = 0.000984206528 long tons
    1 kilogram = 0.001 metric tons

    So: (5.9743 x (10^24)) x 0.00110231131 = 6.58553846 × 10^21 short tons
    (5.9742 × (10^24)) x 0.000984206528 = 5.87984664 × 10^21 long tons
    (5.9743 x (10^24)) x 0.001 = 5.9743 × 10^21 metric tons

    No matter which type of ton is used Zebes is still three orders of magnitude greater than Earth. Even if it was physically smaller, which I don’t think there is any evidence of, it does have a much greater mass.

    Personally I think the people at Retro Studios, who made Metroid Prime in which the mass of Zebes is given, used Short Tons as Short Tons are what Americans use, and Retro Studios is based in Austin, Texes.

    @L-W: After the explosion Zebes appears to be nothing more than a gas cloud where it previously was.

  91. Skrunks April 27, 2009 at 3:53 am -      #91

    Ooooooh, I totally forgot about that. Nice catch Scenario! And you’re right… and wrong. The mass of the earth is 5.99x10e24 kg, or 6 Yottatons. 4.9 trillion teratons is actually 4.9 Yottatons, not Zettatons, lol. You were off by an order of magnitude.

    But either way, that puts Zebes at about 80% of earths mass, so the blast power required to utterly destroy the planet would be exponentially higher then all of the firepower the Covenant has ever produced. Heck, you would need over 5 trillion tons of anti-matter to blow up the earth, and something tells me that Mother Brain wouldn’t go through the trouble to collect such a massive amount of the stuff just for a self destruct mechanism.

  92. L-W April 27, 2009 at 8:37 am -      #92

    Total planetary vaporization? Even if the Covenant fleet was a million times its current size, it could clearly never match the kind of firepower available to the Space Pirates.

    Well that seals it for me, admin, I give my full backing to the Space Pirates without question.

  93. OriginalA April 27, 2009 at 1:06 pm -      #93

    @Shunks: You might want to recheck your own math too. Last I checked a Kilogram is not equal to a any type of ton, but roughtly 10^-3 smaller than a ton. So that would make Earth ~ 6 Zetatons and Zebes 4.8 Yottatons.

    In a small defense of the Covenant, the Space Pirates were never seen to actually deploy a weapon of this magnitude anywhere except on Zebes, so they might have them only in extremely limited supply. Then again there is a reason why Space Pirates were one of the largest threats to the Galactic Federation.

  94. Cpt Olimar April 27, 2009 at 3:27 pm -      #94

    “Except the output of an expanding Red Giant recorded even in milliseconds is far beyond immeasurable in comparison to the relatively minor output of the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event measured over the course of days.”

    Sorry to be quoting from 20+ posts ago, but wasn’t the main reason why this particular extinction event occured was because of the dust blocking sunlight, opposed to the actual explosion? Or am I thinking of something else…

    For the topic, I think it’s time that the Space Pirates get the BankGambling award. With incredibly superior technology and a cunning and ruthlessness to tear the covenant for as long as it takes for victory, I think the Space Pirates have this.

  95. Who? April 27, 2009 at 4:17 pm -      #95

    “For the topic, I think it’s time that the Space Pirates get the BankGambling award. With incredibly superior technology and a cunning and ruthlessness to tear the covenant for as long as it takes for victory, I think the Space Pirates have this.”

    Agreed. I second the nomination.

  96. Skrunks April 27, 2009 at 4:33 pm -      #96

    “You might want to recheck your own math too. Last I checked a Kilogram is not equal to a any type of ton, but roughtly 10^-3 smaller than a ton. So that would make Earth ~ 6 Zetatons and Zebes 4.8 Yottatons.”

    Oh crap. You’re right, sorry about that. And that makes sense, in the Manga (I think it was) it was stated that Zebes has high gravity. Which means that it that bomb would have to be exponentially more powerful then what it would take to blow up the Earth.

    “In a small defense of the Covenant, the Space Pirates were never seen to actually deploy a weapon of this magnitude anywhere except on Zebes, so they might have them only in extremely limited supply. Then again there is a reason why Space Pirates were one of the largest threats to the Galactic Federation.”

    Well, in Metroid Fusion, Samus detonated the Research Station and it blew up SR-388, that implies that whatever was powering that sucker had the juice to destroy a planet. Meaning that the technology to do so probably isn’t all that hard to come by. Gotta remember that in the Manga the Space Pirates generated an artificial Black Hole and directed it’s gravitational suction. It DIDN’T collapse the ship containing it, and only pulled matter towards it’s mouth. Earlier L-W stated just how powerful a Black Hole is, so you imagine what kind of technological feat that generating, containing, moving and directing a black hole would be. Ridley even had to tell his goons to ‘Shut it off before it sucks up the whole planet!”

    I vote Space Pirates FTW!!!!

    ….

    You know, the more we analyze Metroid technology, the more it seems to be in the same league as Star Wars or Warhammer 40k. That’s three instances of planet busting weapons being deployed. Only Star Wars has that kind of track record.

  97. Thepocalypse April 27, 2009 at 4:41 pm -      #97

    “Agreed. I second the nomination.”
    I do not, for the record.

  98. Scenario April 27, 2009 at 6:22 pm -      #98

    Off by an order of magnitude? Darn. Well, at least I was right about it’s relative size, if not absolute. And thanks for correcting me, Skrunks.

    So, is it over?

  99. Who? April 27, 2009 at 6:58 pm -      #99

    “I do not, for the record.”

    Alright, why not?

  100. L-W April 28, 2009 at 2:32 am -      #100

    “Sorry to be quoting from 20+ posts ago, but wasn’t the main reason why this particular extinction event occured was because of the dust blocking sunlight, opposed to the actual explosion? Or am I thinking of something else…”

    Which is why I related the measurement of energy over the course of days, and not the minutes in which the impact blast would have expanded and subsided.

    This would involve thermal radiation emitted from the impact, molten material ejected into the atmosphere, atmospheric fluctuations, mega tsunamis and even the increased sulfur levels in the atmosphere.

    “Only Star Wars has that kind of track record.”

    And Warhammer 40K, since both the Eldar and the IOM have demonstrated the use of surface detonation weapons capable of planetary vaporization.

    “I do not, for the record.”

    Do you have a reason to back that up?

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