CTF: Sir Dan Fortesque, Link, Yoshimitsu Vs Scorpion, Astaroth, Nightmare

Sir Daniel Fortesque, Link, Yoshimitsu vs Scorpion, Nightmare, Astaroth

Battleground: Medievil level “Scarecrow Fields”
5 Flags for victory
Alternate rounds of defense and offense for each team

Scarecrow Fields: It is a big field but there are certain parts where there are things of corn that if you step into it it instantly kills you…also, (Dan uses it in the game) but in the level there is a chest that holds a serpent spirit named Kul Katura that kills all the enemies on the screen…or in this case the field (it can only be used once in the game and afterwards it is gone for good)

Among the contestants will also be enemies from the level (scarecrows, zombie farmers, giant steel golems piloted by imps) that will aid the defending team in hindering the team on offense.

All characters have all abilities except there will be no autokills (no drumsticks, no “Triforce of Power”, no dropping people into hell) to make things fair.

Which team wins?

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78 Comments on "CTF: Sir Dan Fortesque, Link, Yoshimitsu Vs Scorpion, Astaroth, Nightmare"

  1. Thepocalypse April 5, 2009 at 6:19 am -      #1

    Nightmare alone could probably handle Team 1 in combat, but it’s a bit more complex in CTF. By the way, I’ve been assuming this is multi-flag, not one flag.
    Nightmare and Astaroth make a good team for defense, while the more nimble Scorpion can burst from hell beneath the flag, drag it under, and teleport back to Team 2’s base. Astaroth and Nightmare are both a threat even after death. Nightmare will be instantly resurrected as an avatar of Inferno upon his Siegfried form’s defeat, and when his fire form is destroyed, Inferno will manifest his true form to protect himself. Astaroth is a golem, meaning he can operate even after taking massive damage and, as has been shown in SC2, after his defeat, his axe will attack with a mind of it’s own, it’s basically Astaroth with very few vulnerable areas.
    With this in mind, I see little hope for Team 1.

  2. Baron Somebody April 5, 2009 at 1:50 pm -      #2

    I actually completely disagree with what Thepcoalypse said…Dan’s sword would be very deadly to any of them, as would Link’s, and I think with Yoshimitsu’s teleporting ability he could probably get the flag very easily without even being detected…now the reason I say this is because Nightmare can be beaten by Cassandra in SC, so if that is the case then the others could probably beat him as well (seeing as both Dan and Link have fought harder people in the past)…Dan has fought this guy named Lord Kardok who was pretty much like Nightmare on a skeletal horse except he had a flail instead, and Dan defetaed him…I know Link has killed harder people in the past than Nightmare as well so I don’t see why you think he would win so easily…I mean sure, one wrong move and Dan could be sent back into a respawn (bones flying everywhere and everything) but I highly doubt it because of his indestructable godlen shield…same with Link’s mirror shield, and all of Team 1’s magic abilities, I mean with the exception of Scorpion (who Dan could beat) Team 2 hasn’t got sh!t on Team 1

  3. Baron Somebody April 5, 2009 at 1:50 pm -      #3

    Oh and according to the rules you can’t just teleport to the flag

  4. Thepocalypse April 5, 2009 at 2:04 pm -      #4

    “Nightmare can be beaten by Cassandra in SC”
    Game Mechanics.
    “Oh and according to the rules you can’t just teleport to the flag”
    That isn’t in the rules.
    “seeing as both Dan and Link have fought harder people in the past”
    I don’t recall Link ever fighting a manifestation of the concept of evil.
    “I don’t see why you think he would win so easily”
    He wields the most powerful weapon in the world, capable of piercing the mirror shield with a single blow.

  5. Cpt Olimar April 5, 2009 at 3:05 pm -      #5

    I don’t know enough of our fellow combatants to make an actual decision, but I would like to just put this in the open. If Link EVER gets his hands on the enemy’s flag, it’s an instant win for his team because using his warp magic, he can set a warp point at his base and once he grabs the flag he can just warp back to score.

    I wouldn’t really consider it cheating when we allow uber crazy speeds like superman to compete, not in this round but in another one, so I see at least this kind of warp as fair. That said, Link still needs to get his hands on the flag, which appears to be no easy chore in this round.

  6. Skrunks April 5, 2009 at 8:46 pm -      #6

    Soul Edge is freaking insane. I’ll say this right now. Nightmare wielding Soul Edge can only be bested by someone wielding Soul Calibur. Soul Edge is so powerful that a user can litterally cleave city gates in two with the magic within. One swipe, and he could probably send all of Team 1 into respawn. Having said that, the Master Sword is very much like Soul Calibur. I think that a single blow from the master Sword onto Nightmare would be enough to send him into respawn as well. I don’t know a whole lot about the other combatants however.

  7. Baron Somebody April 5, 2009 at 11:12 pm -      #7


    Sir Dan has a blue magical sword which is the eqivalent of the Master Sword in terms of durability except it aids in killing the undead and demons (which is what all Team 2 is composed of) so if Dan gets a swipe on them as well it would certainly be lethal

  8. Onesidedfight April 6, 2009 at 2:18 am -      #8

    “I don’t recall link every fighting a manifestation of the concept of evil” Yes, of course because I’m sure ganon was going to church and bulding poor houses while HE TOOK OVER THE F$&@ING WORLD!!

  9. Baron Somebody April 6, 2009 at 8:23 am -      #9

    Also, I think Dan’s hammer could send any of them black flying if needed

  10. Thepocalypse April 6, 2009 at 9:18 am -      #10

    Being evil and personifying evil are two different things.

  11. Baron Somebody April 6, 2009 at 2:34 pm -      #11


    ROFL I bet he was

  12. Baron Somebody April 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm -      #12

    If Nightmare is so powerful how come on the SC commercial it shows Darth Vader picking him up by the neck? Huh? You have an answer for that?

  13. Thepocalypse April 7, 2009 at 4:10 pm -      #13

    “If Nightmare is so powerful how come on the SC commercial it shows Darth Vader picking him up by the neck?”
    To make Vader look more badass. It’s just advertising.

  14. Baron Somebody April 7, 2009 at 8:18 pm -      #14

    Vader is more badass than Nightmare

  15. Cpt Olimar April 7, 2009 at 9:17 pm -      #15

    wouldnt the fact that Link was in a soul caliber game show that hes at least around the other member’s skill level?

  16. Baron Somebody April 7, 2009 at 10:03 pm -      #16

    That’s what I am saying, same with Yoshimitsu…as for Dan, he is a knight and he has to be a trained sword fighter…plus he took on an army of zombies and powerful demons all by himself…TWICE

  17. Who? April 7, 2009 at 10:24 pm -      #17

    “Vader is more badass than Nightmare”

    Agreed. Anybody with the voice of James Earl Jones and the power to strangle people to death with their minds is pretty damn badass in my book.

  18. Baron Somebody April 7, 2009 at 10:51 pm -      #18

    What can Nightmare do? Nothing, that’s what…I say Team 1 gets this

  19. L-W April 7, 2009 at 11:23 pm -      #19

    Vader once admitted that he chokes his victims as a means of creating discipline (Not only is it scary as all hell – But it can also be stopped midway with causing permanent damage) amongst the ranks of his crew and enemies.

    If he really wanted to kill them, he could use a Force Wound, a technique that literally causes a person to implode.

  20. Who? April 8, 2009 at 1:16 am -      #20

    “If he really wanted to kill them, he could use a Force Wound, a technique that literally causes a person to implode.”

    That’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever heard about Vader.

  21. Thepocalypse April 8, 2009 at 4:42 am -      #21

    “wouldnt the fact that Link was in a soul caliber game show that hes at least around the other member’s skill level?”
    No. Game mechanics. NON CANON!!!
    “What can Nightmare do? Nothing, that’s what”
    What bodily orifice did you yank that from? A dark lord who’s conquered whole cities with little effort and controls the most powerful weapon in the world can’t do a thing? He could slaughter Team 1.
    “as for Dan, he is a knight and he has to be a trained sword fighter…plus he took on an army of zombies and powerful demons all by himself…TWICE”
    Nightmare has taken down armies protecting Soul Edge and does it constantly. As for Dan, he’s got a hero shield. Nightmare doesn’t need one to be badass.
    “Vader is more badass than Nightmare”
    Shut your mouth before you ruin this thread by dragging it off topic.
    “If he really wanted to kill them, he could use a Force Wound, a technique that literally causes a person to implode.”
    Too late.

  22. Matapiojo April 8, 2009 at 9:42 am -      #22

    Would you all stop focusing on how they each “could” beat one another, and start thinking on how the flags will be captured?

    Clearly Scorpion and Yoshimitsu will act as each team’s flag recovery. However, that is the only aspect of the teams that I think is equally distributed. The other team members change the group tactics and dynamics.

    We have a great offensive team in Dan and Link, while we have two massive walls in Nightmare and Astaroth. I think Team 2’s defense is far superior to Team 1’s as both heavy hitters could hold off on all 3 oponents.

    That would leave Scorpion free and clear to capture flags.

    I am inclined to favor Team 2 in this CTF scenario.

  23. Who? April 8, 2009 at 11:30 am -      #23

    “I am inclined to favor Team 2 in this CTF scenario.”

    And I’m inclined to favor Vader.

  24. Baron Somebody April 8, 2009 at 3:10 pm -      #24

    Vader is not in this scenario lol, and Matapiojo I understand where you are coming from but you have to remember what Link and Dan have done

  25. Baron Somebody April 8, 2009 at 3:23 pm -      #25

    Oh and no teleporting automatically every time it would ruin it and it is considered an autokill…I was the one who suggested this and well when I said “no autokills” I meant no autowins as well…but anyway I could see Yoshimitsu flying above everyone using his sword while everyone else was busy fighting eachother

  26. Who? April 8, 2009 at 4:29 pm -      #26

    “Vader is not in this scenario lol”

    I know. But still, you even mention his name, he isn’t much far behind… Vader!!!!

  27. Master Arbiter(Spartan G44) April 8, 2009 at 6:52 pm -      #27

    I really like the CTF Matches Admin :)

    Anyways Nightmare is one of my favorite Video Game ppl so is Link and Scorpion. I Master Sword would be a threat so would light arrows. But in the in I got with team 2,

  28. Baron Somebody April 8, 2009 at 8:58 pm -      #28

    If Dan really had to he could blow Nightmare and Astaroth to oblivion with his gatling gun :D

  29. Scenario April 8, 2009 at 11:13 pm -      #29

    Link uses the Fierce Deity mask. If it’s considered autowin, maybe not, doesn’t matter. He can also use the four sword to split into four copies of himself. He only dies if all four are killed within ten seconds of each other. This doubles team one’s members, allowing for some truly unique tactics.

    I’ll not pretend I know anything about most of these characters, but what I do know is that two of them are wielding weapons designed to harm evil beings. One of them wields a very powerful weapon that also constantly drains his health, correct?

    For now though, let’s assume light arrows are set to ‘stun’ in a way similar to their effect on Ganondorf. But not the Silver Arrows or Master Sword.

  30. Thepocalypse April 9, 2009 at 4:51 am -      #30

    “If Dan really had to he could blow Nightmare and Astaroth to oblivion with his gatling gun :D”
    I sincerely doubt that.

  31. Skrunks April 11, 2009 at 2:43 am -      #31

    “Vader is more badass than Nightmare”

    Nightmare is 10 times more badass then Vader ever was.

    10 reasons why.

    10. Vader finally got the balls to defy the Emperor after 30 years. Nightmare was born with the balls to slaughter everyone in his home city.
    9: Vader has a Lightsaber, a fictional energy blade that disrupts the subatomic bonds between atoms. Nightmare has Soul Edge, a fictional sword that consumes your soul.
    8: Vader has the Force. Nightmare has the countless souls he’s consumed.
    7. Vader redeemed himself by tossing the Emperor down the into the Death Star reactor. Nightmare doesn’t need to redeem himself because he kills anyone who gives a crap. Then eats their souls.
    6. Vader hunted down the remainder of the Jedi. Nightmare conquered Europe single handedly.
    5. Vader survived the fires of Mustafar. Nightmare forced himself back from the interdimensional void with sheer willpower.
    4. Vader force chokes his troops as a method of discipline. Nightmare devourers his followers souls cause he got the munchies.
    3. Vader can cause a person to implode. Nightmare tortures his victim’s souls for all eternity.
    2. Vader killed a bunch of kids, emo style. Nightmare eats babies, with evil as a garnish.
    1. Vader is evil because he thought that being evil would save his girlfriend. Nightmare isn’t evil. Evil is Nightmare. Oh yeah, and he ate his girlfriend.

    “One of them wields a very powerful weapon that also constantly drains his health, correct?”

    That’s like saying Vader weilds a cattle prod. Soul Edge began has a regular sword, but over the countless battles, it gained it’s own setinence and began consuming the souls of the victims it slew. Eventually, it grew to be so powerful that it would dominate the mind of anyone who touched the hilt and would become a mere puppet to the sword. Only those of indomitable will could weild the tremendous power of the cursed sword. One such man, Algol, found the sword and bent it’s might to his will and used it to rule the world. His son was jealous, and stole Soul Edge. Fortantly for Soul Edge, Arcturus was weak willed in comparson to his father, and fell victim to the Sword. Unable to fight agianst the might of Soul Edge, Algol used a fragment of the blade to create an opposite to Soul Edge, called Soul Caliber. After generations of purifications by a select tribe of sorcerers, Soul Caliber was purified and became a holy sword, and the only method of defeating Soul Edge.

    Soul Edge is so powerful, that even a shard the size of a quarter of the blade is powerful enough to animate dead bodies or corrupt the soul of someone who hangs onto it. Remember what the One Ring did to Shmeagol? Basically a teny tiny shard would have the same effect. When it’s in it’s complete form, Soul Edge is powerful enough to create pocket universes, devouer souls on an army wide scale and rend the fabric of space time. In fact, the last time Soul Edge and Soul Caliber clashed, it did literally tear a hole in our plane. It sucked Nightmare and Soul Edge in, but the sheer will of the Sword alowed Nightmare to claw his way back into the world and seep tendrils of evil into the land, turning Ostrheinsburg into his domain.

    To further illustrate just how powerful Soul Edge, and consequently, Nightmare really is, let’s look at Algol. Algol stole a tiny fraction of the power of Soul Edge and Soul Caliber, and that was enough power for him to materialize not only his own body, but his entire tower back into the physical plane.

    As far as I’m concerned, Soul Edge is one of the most powerful weapons in fantasy games period. The only tool any of the characters in this fight have that could hope to stand up to it’s might is the Master Sword, the Blade of Evils Bane. The Master Sword would be able to protect Link from being turned into Soul-chow, and allow him to block some of Nightmares supernatural blows. But in terms of raw power, he doesn’t stand a chance agianst Nightmares maddening ferociety. Heck, Soul Caliber II, it was stated that Soul Edge was so powerful that it’s evil reached across dimensions and it was responsible for Gannondorf’s insanity. In the Soul Calibur 4 crossover, it was so powerful that Yoda could sence the disturbance from across the interdimensional void. This is not some little toy. Soul Edge is a lean mean soul eatin machine. Team 1 beware.

  32. Skrunks April 11, 2009 at 12:18 pm -      #32

    EDIT: When I said shard the size of a quarter, I meant the a shard the size of a coin, not a quarter of the entire sword.

  33. Tim April 11, 2009 at 1:00 pm -      #33

    @ Skrunks: You said that Soul Edge was responsible for Ganondorf’s insanity.

    While it is true that in Soul Caliber 2 it says that Soul Edge is responsible for controlling an evil wizard from Hyrule it never mentions Ganondorf or any other Zelda character to be this evil wizard. If it was a proper Zelda character then they would have been named. Also Ganondorf is too powerful to be controlled by Soul Edge.

    Still it’s very impressive that it could corrupt someone from another universe.

    Also with all Link’s abilities and feat’s I still think he could take Nightmare in a fight. Although it would be a very hard fight, admittedly.

  34. Battra Boy April 11, 2009 at 5:50 pm -      #34

    Scorpion would just sink into hell, and get back up next to the enemy flag. ;)

  35. Space marine April 12, 2009 at 2:57 am -      #35

    Yeah the “EVIL” Team has got this in the bag, Scorpion could teleport all of team one to hell and leave them there so he could get the flags.

  36. Baron Somebody April 12, 2009 at 3:54 pm -      #36

    No autokills…besides, Yoshimitsu pwns Astaroth, Dan pwns Scorpion and Link pwns Nightmare…end of story

  37. Master Arbiter(Spartan G44) April 12, 2009 at 7:28 pm -      #37

    “Link pwns Nightmare”

    Good ole Soul Caliber 2 Gamecube days

  38. Baron Somebody April 12, 2009 at 8:38 pm -      #38

    I had the PS2 version so I got lame Heihachi…he was the suckiest character ever

  39. Space marine April 14, 2009 at 3:13 am -      #39

    “Soul Edge is a lean mean soul eatin machine.”

    Gorechild is better.

  40. Baron Somebody April 14, 2009 at 2:53 pm -      #40

    Anyway, I still say Team 1 wins…Link has really powerful magic, Dan has really powerful weapons and well…Yoshimitsu is just Yoshimitsu, he can teleport and such

  41. EnigmaJ April 15, 2009 at 1:54 pm -      #41

    Damn Skrunks… You make me want to get into the Souls Calber series…

    It’s interesting how this series links so many others…

    Btw, Kharn vs Nightmare wouldn’t be too bad of an idea…

  42. Skrunks April 20, 2009 at 3:37 pm -      #42

    “Gorechild is better.”

    Debatable. Sure Gorechild is a chain-axe made of dragon teeth and adamantium. But Soul Edge can slay Gods.

  43. Skrunks April 20, 2009 at 3:39 pm -      #43

    “Damn Skrunks… You make me want to get into the Souls Calber series…”

    Soul Caliber pwns. I love that game. Especially having the Character Creation in 3 and 4. You can create your own character from the ground up, with armor, clothing, even the pitch of their voice and the density of their muscles.

  44. OriginalA April 21, 2009 at 12:03 am -      #44

    Since there are no “auto-wins” I’m going to assume Link’s Spell spell is included in that (polymorph others in a large area into Bots, weakest enemy in the Zelda series).

    Oh and Link’s Light Arrows weren’t “set to stun” when he fought Ganondorf in OoT. Ganondorf is so powerful because of the Triforce of Power that pure light magic only makes him vulnerable to injury.

    I’m also assuming that the “Link” in question is a “Combined Link” that has everything from all of the games, since both OoT and Four Swords were referenced. If so then Link could just drink Chateau Romani (unlimited magic for 3 days), break out the Cane of Bryna (invulnerablity and hurts enemies on contact), and run for the flag. There isn’t anything team 2 could do to stop him. Combined with the Four Sword this goes from Foe Tossing Charge to a Curb Stomp Battle. … Why do I think this is going in the “not allowed” pile just for that?

    Oh and there is a weapon in the Zelda series that is similar to the Soul Edge. It is Ganon’s Trident. It is a pure evil weapon and has the power to conquer and bring ruin to the entire world. It can also warp people between the Light and Dark realms. Link was able to beat Ganon even after he had obtained this weapon by only using the Four Sword, a sword that is less powerful against Evil when compared to the Master Sword, and a little help from Zelda.

    Link’s musical magics would also help a bit. I’m sure Yoshimitsu wouldn’t mind having the wind altered to enhance his flying speed.

    Link’s Magical Boomerang or Grappling Hook could probably recover or steal the flag is Team 2 got their hands on it and he got within range. They both are fairly fast (boomerang especially) and both steal items. Magic Boomerang also has a “stun on hit” feature too.

    Bomb Arrows will probably make short work of Astaroth if he doesn’t dodge them fast enough, and I doubt he would be able to dodge fast enough. Light enhanced Silver Arrows (a combination that isn’t found in the games but would be possible if Link has ALL of his equipment) would be devistating against Nightmare. The Light Arrows have been shown to be able to make Ganon vulnerable to attack, and let Link kill him off with the Master Sword. The Silver Arrows are the only known weapon besides the Master Sword that has killed Ganon. In fact in LttP the Master Sword doesn’t even do damage to him anymore and the Silver Arrows are the only things that hurt him in the game.

    Red Ring (reduces damage to 1/4) with the Red Mail (reduces by 1/2) and with the Great Fairy’s Blessing (reduces by 1/2) means that Combined Link will take 1/16th the normal amount of damage even without his invulnerablity spell(s).(that’s just from 3 games btw. I’m sure I could find a few more damage reducers that could stack on top of each other.)

    The Master Sword itself has been upgraded beyond just the Blade of Evil’s Bane. In LttP it has reforged and enchanted to make it four times more powerful than what it was in OoT. (reminder: even after this upgrade it still didn’t hurt Ganon directly as Ganon had the whole Triforce.)

    Link’s Gale Seeds from the Oracles games can wisk people away against their will. I’m not sure if this would work against Nightmare and Astaroth due to their size but Scorpion should be easily movable. That is if this attack is allowed.

    I’m sure even now that there are still a few more tools or spells that Link could use that would be of great help, but I’m not going to go looking for them just yet.

  45. Cpt Olimar April 21, 2009 at 1:33 am -      #45

    As a Zelda fan and someone who’s inner fanboy is cheering Link on, I think I should say a few things about “ultimate” link. As with any character in a fictional battle on this site, it would seem that Link should be allowed every single item he has ever had. It only makes sense for this to be true, the actual scenario in my opinion is somewhat different.

    Link is one of the few, im using this word casually, main protagonists in a series who is actually a different person every other game. Opposed to Samus, or Master Chief, or Snake, Link is rarely the same person from a game before. This is the obvious explanation of why Link doesn’t keep his items from earlier incarnations, because its a different Link.

    While it makes sense to allow MC access to various weapons, and a little more confusing to allow samus access to all her weapons, it makes NO SENSE to actually allow Link access to every single item in the zeldaverse. Think about it… does that mean he gets like 5 hookshots? Since they may or may not be the exact same hookshot. Sure the Master sword is one of the few items that is mostly likely the exact same item throughout the timeline, but the others….. its questionable.

    My proposition for “ultimate Link” is somewhat of a paradox, basically he is allowed every item and he isn’t at the same time. Let me explain. I would allow him access to Chateau Romani for infinite magic, but I would NOT also allow him access to Nayru’s love. Why? Well its somewhat of a Game Mechanic argument, but I believe that Link was never intended to have the capacity to be permanently invulnerable. It is not typical of the Link persona. To the contrary, I believe that Link isn’t meant to be this all-powerful god immune forever to all damage. If no individual Link can be permanently immune to damage, why should the one we consider in this match be?

    However, no individual Link has also ever equipped the Zora’s mask, and turned into a wolf, yet I could easily see “ultimate Link” having both of these abilities, not simultaneously mind you. Why? Because they don’t directly conflict with game mechanics and they each make sense in the general persona of the character.

    So what I’m trying to say is that he can have access to Chateau Romani and Nayru’s love, but not both at the same time as I feel it directly interferes with the idea of the character. Sure, Majora’s Mask stretched the character with the fierce Deity mask, which I still have a tough time seeing it as a Zelda item however its definitely canon, but you could still die in it regardless. Link has never been immortal in any of his incarnations and to allow him to be in “ultimate Link” is absurd in my opinion. Let him have all the gadgets, sure. Not multiples, and not stacking damage reduction items either. Take one game’s interpretation of his damage reduction and go with it. Either zelda 1 with the bracelts, or OoT’s magic spell of damage reduction, but once again it doesn’t make sense for them to stack in my opinion.

    To conclude, while Ultimate Link should not be an individual Link taken from a game and should instead be a compilations of all Links creating the persona of the Hero of Time, it should also note the specifics of the games from which each Link contributes.

    (on a side note. You CANNOT use any magic while using Nayru’s love. While some may dismiss this as a game mechanic, I see it as a limitation of his power considering the potency of the spell. So this observation alone might provide a reason why this and Chateau Romani would not stack. However, this is more of a detail then an overall generalization of ultimate link.)

  46. Baron Somebody April 21, 2009 at 8:20 am -      #46

    I think one of Dan’s less frequently used items would come into play here…his Good Lightning…pretty much what it does is it gives the other team members health but it decreases from his…that being said, if any of them get injured from the other team Dan can just zap them and they would be good as new

  47. EnigmaJ April 21, 2009 at 6:28 pm -      #47


    How close can you get to having your own personally designed Kharn on that?


  48. Baron Somebody April 21, 2009 at 8:56 pm -      #48

    Oh and Thepocalypse Astaroth isn’t as powerful as you say he is, I mean anybody in Team 1 could take him out, same with Scorpion (as it was already determined Dan could deal with him)…but you are partially right about Nightmare he is probably the most dangerous in Team 2…that being said Dan could take them both out with one hit from his Magic Sword while also blocking the attacks with his golden shield

  49. OriginalA April 22, 2009 at 8:27 pm -      #49

    @ Cpt Olimar: I don’t really understand your take on Combined Link, but instead of having you explain it to me until I do get it I will just argue using a single Link.

    The Link in Link to the Past to be exact.
    His Golden Sword is the single strongest sword in the entire series.

    Take the Kokiri Sword. In Majora’s Mask the Fierce Diety’s Sword is four times as powerful as the Kokiri Sword. The Energy Disc made by the FD’s Sword is also four times as powerful as the Kokiri Sword. This makes the FD’s Sword’s total attack potenial eight times that of the Kokiri Sword.

    In OoT the Master Sword was twice as powerful as the Kokiri Sword. In LttP the Master Sword is reforged and made twice as powerful as it once was. This puts it on par with the FD’s Sword swing or that sword’s disc. Later it is enchanted by a Great Fairy which doubles the Tempered Master Sword’s power again and changing it into the Golden Sword. Now the Golded Sword is four times as powerful as the Master Sword was at first and is equal to the FD’s sword’s total attack potential. However in LttP the Master Sword and its upgrades were capable of shooting energy discs while Link’s hearts were full. They were weak energy discs equal to the Fighter’s Sword ( the same attack power as the Kokiri Sword), but it does make the total damage potential of the Golden Sword a smigin higher than the Fierce Diety’s Sword.

    If Link ever lands a clean attack with this sword it is going to do a lot of damage.

    His Silver Arrows are about as powerful as the Golden Sword (I think; I’ll test this later) and are even more powerful against Evil than the Golden Sword. If nothing else will do, these WILL take down Nightmare after a few hits. They were the only thing capable of killing Ganon at the end of the game. 70 is the max carry limit.

    The Mirror Shield is nearly as large as Link is in this game so there is very little to attack from the front.

    Bombs are highly useless, but could be used to deter team 2 from following Link around though narrow areas. 50 is the max carry limit.

    Magic Boomerang has a stun on hit effect and a large attack range. NOTE: I was wrong before about the boomerang stealing items that enemies are carrieing. It only picks up items that are laying around.

    Hookshot also has a stun effect and item grab ability (laying around only). Of course it also has its normal use as a means of transportation for Link. In LttP the Hookshot could use rocks, trees, and chests as viable grapple points, but at the same time it wasn’t ALL rocks or ALL trees so its effectiveness is debatable (it was ALL chests though).

    The Titan’s Mitt allows Link to have a high lifting strength, but it isn’t nearly as high as the Golden Gauntlets of OoT.

    The Fire and Ice Rods would be great for setting aflame or freezing team 2. If the Fire Rod is used on enemies that are already frozen then they melt into puddles and are dead.

    The Pegusus Boots allow Link to move at a high speed in a straight line. It is debatable how useful these would be in Scarcrow Fields.

    The Either, Bombos, and Quake Medallions cause enemies to be frozen / — / polymorphed (if possible / I doubt it) in addition to severe damage to enemies that are in the air / anywhere in range / on the ground.

    The Cane of Byrna I have already mentioned previously, but I will do so again for clearity. It causes Link to become invulnerable and cause damage to enemies that are near him. It does drain Magic really fast though, which brings me to my next point.

    Cure-All (x 4) fully restore Link’s life and magic meters to full.

    And finally the alternative choice to the Cane of Byrna, the Magic Cape. It makes Link totally invisable (except his shadow) and completely intangible. This intangibility is one-way though as he can freely inflict damage with his sword as he pleases, but receive no damage to himself no matter the attack. This too drains magic, but not as fast as the Cane of Byrna does.

    No doubt a great number of these items are going into the “no autowin” pile, but I figured I would name them so I can know exactly what I’m left with.

    Note: I didn’t list EVERYTHING in his inventory, but I highly doubt his other items would be of great use.

  50. Skrunks April 23, 2009 at 12:24 am -      #50

    As far as I understood it, these battles use the latest incarnation of a character that has multiple versions. This can be backed by the fact that the picture up there is the Twilight Princess Link, and that is the Link I think we should be using for this battle.

    However, if you want to use ‘Ultimate Link’ then I can just as easily say that Nightmare can transform into Night Terror. img340.imageshack.us/img340/1786/concept4934c2447da4.jpg

    This being is so powerful that he obliterated Zasalamel so utterly that even his reincarnation couldn’t save him. This monster is the most powerful being to ever walk the world in Soul Calibur, although it was only a possible outcome of Zasalamel’s experiment to siphon the power of Soul Edge and Soul Calibur to end his eternal reincarnation. It worked, but he also unleashed this abomination on the world. In Soul Calibur 3, when you fight him, his energy beams could kill a character in one hit if they hit properly. You could argue that ‘Oh, it’s no stronger then a meager sword hit!’ but hey, it did quadruple the damage of Cervantes’ demon powered pistol.

    Back to the fight though… Nightmare’s current incarnation is simply a physical manifestation of the Spirit of Soul Edge wearing the mutated azure armor that Siegfried wore while he was possessed by Soul Edge. It’s an incorporeal being. You can utterly obliterate Nightmare’s physical form, and Soul Edge remains. While the Light Arrows have merit, Nightmare is still stronger then anything Link has faced, including Ganondorf. See: 1:02 – 1:30 and 3:02 – 3:23 of www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHmd1LyKfXY

    Keep in mind that both those segments of video show Nightmare weilding a Phantom of Soul Edge, both in power and appearance. Nightmares current form, IE Soul Calibur 4, weilds a nearly completed Soul Edge. The only piece it is missing is the fragment that was used to create Soul Calibur. This version is powerful enough to literaly alter reality, not just leap from realm to realm.

  51. FierceDeity888 April 29, 2009 at 11:57 am -      #51

    Soul Caliber is by far my favorite fighting game series, however Team 1 would win this match up. I’ve explained Link’s immortality in my post for Link & Cloud vs Kratos & Dante. Look that up there. Truly in this scenario, nightmare can turn into NightTerror. Thanks to admins rules, Link would not be allowed to use the light arrows from WW to instantly kill Night Terror.Link would be able to use em from other games to seriously damage Night Terror. Link could also use the Master Sword more effectively to annihalate team two with it being the blade to evil’s bane, considering that all of team 2except for Scorpion are evil.
    Yoshimitsu’s unique fighting style can also play a role in catching team 2 off guard, but considering Yoshimitsu is wood and scorpion uses fire, yoshimitsu would only be effective against Astaroth.
    Sir Daniel Fortesque has a varied fighting style that could beat scorpion so my only question to admin is:
    Admin, would sword fighting instant kills like the mortal draw be allowed?

    Sure – all the characters will have a 3 second re-spawn as well. – Admin

  52. Cpt Olimar April 29, 2009 at 2:13 pm -      #52

    “Admin, would sword fighting instant kills like the mortal draw be allowed?”

    This was a joke right……. please?
    There are many “evil” creatures in twilight princess that don’t get killed by one attack from the master sword, so why would nightmare be killed so easily? Also, mortal draw has to be the most idiotic ability in real combat. Could you imagine a guy running up to you with no sword and then trying you pull it out and kill you with it? It would be a complete joke in a non-video game setting. And if it doesn’t kill bosses, once again why would it kill these guys assuming it even hit them?

    Link’s opponents here are a lot smarter than moblins, I have a feeling they won’t fall for the mortal draw and instead send link a quick respawn.

  53. FierceDeity888 April 29, 2009 at 4:27 pm -      #53

    You obviously have not read what I mentioned earlier. Link wouldn’t have to worry about an enemy stopping him when he goes to use Mortal draw due to the the staff of byrna and Chateau Romani. He’s immortal. Actually read the text instead of skipping through parts. What you are saying is proof enough. Link doesn’t seem very intimidating. Everyone underestimates him, so it would be no problem to kill them. Plus most bosses are to big or flying for you to pull that off in-game. Link is now against enemies of his size.
    Also I wasn’t saying that any blow from the Master Sword would kill Nightmare, but it would damage him severely compared to others. You need to both interpret and think your responses through, because no offense but that made you sound like an idiot.

  54. Baron Somebody April 29, 2009 at 5:08 pm -      #54

    Now that I realize, Herrooftime is right…Dan is a varied fighter, I used to think he was a swordsman but he is much more trained than that…he uses bows, guns, axes, a hammer, and various other weapons, which means he is more trained than both Scorpion and Astaroth…not only that, but Dan never misses with his ranged weapons, and well, if you don’t think Dan is badass, think again, or you might be staring down the barrel of this


  55. FierceDeity888 April 29, 2009 at 10:28 pm -      #55

    Lol. It’s true. He’s a very skilled warrior. He is much like Link is. They are both masters of a variety of weapons. ^_^

  56. Baron Somebody April 30, 2009 at 2:59 pm -      #56

    Yes, it is true…Scorpion could be easily dealt with by anyone one Team 1, and Astaroth is only a mere nuisance…besides, that Gatling Gun could turn anyone on Team 2 into Swiss cheese

  57. Baron Somebody August 1, 2009 at 9:04 pm -      #57

    I know nobody has really looked at this one in several months, but I just got done playing Medievil and I forgot all about the terrain of Scarecrow Fields…you see, they have these cursed fields of corn that instantly kill you if you step into it, and there are only narrow openings to get through said corn…so pretty much what I’m trying to say is that if either Nightmare or Astaroth try to move around throught the narrow passageways I doubt they could do so without stepping into the corn and being killed because they are so big

  58. unsc freak July 30, 2010 at 5:59 am -      #58

    @ baron somebody
    your an idiot, if you knew who and what scorpion is, you would be rooting for team 2.
    scorpion IS an auto win.

  59. Baron Somebody July 30, 2010 at 6:07 am -      #59

    I’m an idiot? all of Team One (maybe not Yoshimitsu) have taken down demons far greater than Scoprion…not sure about Nightmare though…I think he is the reason Team Two wins Scoprion to me is practically useless in combat against all of Team 1

  60. Laharl July 30, 2010 at 6:20 am -      #60

    Allow auto wins to Dan can turn them into chicken >.>
    (This is way better than star wars vs star trek)

  61. Negative Zero August 6, 2010 at 6:54 pm -      #61

    Whats with all the Soulcalibur characters? Well since the characters get all abilities then its no contest that team 1 wins. Heres what each character can do.

    Link- Drink Chatue Romani to have unlimited magic for 3 days, then use the Cane of Byrna to make himself invincible using the unlimited magic. After that he could just casually stroll down the field to get the flag without any worries.

    Sir Dan- I know virtually nothing about Dan but seeing Baron Somebody’s comments about him he sounds like a powerful character with a lot of weapons.

    Yoshimitsu- He could just teleport to the flag.

  62. unsc freak August 8, 2010 at 12:42 am -      #62

    @ baron sombody

    scorpion is a specter and can and will destroy their soles with a single thought, tell me how anyone from team 1 can deal with that, not to mention he can just teliport out of the way of any incomeing attacks

  63. Negative Zero August 13, 2010 at 8:42 pm -      #63

    @unsc freak
    I don’t ever remember Scorpion doing that. Hes mostly just a ninja…..although he is my favorite Mortal Kombat character.

  64. Negative Zero August 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm -      #64

    So…team 1 for the BankGambling award then?

  65. Negative Zero September 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm -      #65

    Admin are you willing to give team 1 the award?

  66. Negative Zero October 1, 2010 at 5:44 pm -      #66

    Here are some more strategies that team 1 can use to win.

    Link- Use the Magic Cape to turn invisable, invincable, and intangible. He can then drink Chatue Romani to give himself unlimited magic for 3 whole days. After that he activates the Four Sword to make 3 clones of himself, then all 4 Links put on the Magic Armor(TP version) and the Giant’s Mask. Can team 2 stop 4 giant invincible Links with unlimited magic?

    Sir Dan- Shoot up team 2 with his Gatling Gun.

    Yoshimitsu- Just teleport to the flag.

    Like I’ve said before team 1 for the award.

  67. Negative Zero October 1, 2010 at 6:14 pm -      #67

    So nobody else has anything to add?

  68. Negative Zero October 1, 2010 at 8:14 pm -      #68

    Well I guess team 1 for the BankGambling award.

  69. CIDE December 25, 2010 at 4:02 am -      #69

    Disregarding the fankwanking of the composite Link team 1 still takes it. They can sit back by their flag and wait. All that’s needed is honestly Dan to defend. Someone shows up and he drops a chicken leg. Fwoosh.

    Team one for the FPA

  70. Baron Somebody December 25, 2010 at 5:41 am -      #70

    No chicken legs, although I think the Gatling Gun and bombs should do fine

  71. CIDE December 25, 2010 at 5:43 am -      #71

    -shrug- So it’s not as easy. Team 1 still wins.

    Fun to note that Dan’s strength is seriously underplayed. Old school gatling guns (with the wheels added which were less than half the weight) were 800+ pounds. Dan totes one around without any real difficulty.

    Just a fun fact.

  72. CMNiall April 5, 2012 at 7:25 pm -      #72

    Everyone keeps saying that Scorpion would be bested by all of Team 1 but he has the power to drag people towards him with great strength, he can burn them, cut them down. Watch this www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=Tn9HMpCoSv8 and at 0:55 you will see what his punches can do. Also, Dan’s shield can break, it has broken for me on many occasions. Plus Nightmare could, you know, grab the things with his giant arm.

  73. Sauroposeidon April 5, 2012 at 7:31 pm -      #73

    Scorpion is the least capable fighter in this match. He’s NEVER been shown to be particularly adept as combat. He rides on his bad assery alone, as opposed to displayed skill.

  74. CMNiall April 5, 2012 at 7:40 pm -      #74

    He is not the least capable, he is the least shown because he is not a main character. He is possibly the least powerful with his hellfire gimmick taken away but he can teleport around the enemy. He and yoshimitsu are the most agile, doing flips and teleporting mid combat and what-not. A shield is only useful if it’s between you and the enemy but Scorpion could easily get behind them, over and over and over.

  75. Sauroposeidon April 5, 2012 at 7:45 pm -      #75

    “He is not the least capable”

    Prove it. Find a single video of him not fighting like some amateur that I couldn’t bring down with my own two fists and you MIGHT have some ground to stand on.

  76. CMNiall April 5, 2012 at 11:19 pm -      #76

    Prove Link is a capable swordsman. Any video you find will be while he’s being controlled by a player and I could easily find a player controlled video of him kicking ass.

  77. Negative Zero April 5, 2012 at 11:22 pm -      #77

    Scorpion is actually a great fighter, but team 1 still wins handily.

  78. Parryboy May 30, 2014 at 4:51 am -      #78

    Yoshi can teleport… And Dan can turn people to chickens

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