Master Chief & Samus Vs Mother Brain

Master Chief & Samus Vs Mother Brain

I’ll confess to being hesitant to post this match – since Samus has already beaten Mother Brain, why would she need MC’s help?

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77 Comments on "Master Chief & Samus Vs Mother Brain"

  1. El Zilcho March 28, 2009 at 3:47 am -      #1

    “why would she need MC’s help?”
    Well. beating Mother Brain in Metroid 1 is easy. But defeating the Super Metroid version of MB required the held of the titular metroid, proving Samus an’t do it alone

  2. marche March 28, 2009 at 9:58 am -      #2

    well,even with mc i dont know if much would change.

  3. Cpt Olimar March 28, 2009 at 11:19 am -      #3

    *****SUPER METROID SPOILERS*****************
    Agreed. Samus CANNOT defeat Mother Brain in Metroid 3. First, Samus and Mother Brain duked it out and both took damage. Then, Mother Brain hyper beamed Samus almost to death. The Super Metroid comes and literallly sucks the life out of Mother brain. Somehow she STILL survives and kills the Super metroid. Even after this, she still manages to survive quite a number of hyper beams from samus before finally kicking the bucket. With no super metroid, I see this ending with a Hyper Beam to the face of both of our contestants, Mother Brain can defeat Samus, and MC can only help so much given his tech disadvantage.

    It should be noted that much of what happens at the end of the game is due to plot devices, and hell does the game end spectacularly because of it. However, I am inclined to feel that Mother brain’s hyper beam truly can disable Samus and defeat her.

    (for all the halo fans that don’t know what hyper beam is. It’s basically a continuous, twice as powerful spartan laser that can last basically as long as Mother Brain want’s it to. I would say it can easily last 10 whole seconds.)

  4. Thepocalypse March 28, 2009 at 11:26 am -      #4

    They could do it easily. Guilty Spark was at least as powerful as Mother Brain with his invulnerable shields and Chief did that almost single handedly.

  5. JoshMcFace March 28, 2009 at 1:07 pm -      #5

    Another one of mine!!
    Yeah I was thinking about the giant robotic Mother Brain when I suggested this.
    No, it would not be easy. Mother Brain could not be taken down by ANY attacks, beams or bombs, except the beam formed from her own energy.
    I think Mother Brain’s hyper beam could easily kill the chief, as it gives no recharge time for his shields, and could down Samus’s much larger shield stocks in only to prolonged shots. Chief would have to avoid it completely.

  6. Thepocalypse March 28, 2009 at 5:15 pm -      #6

    “Chief would have to avoid it completely.”
    I’d be willing to bet he could do so repeatedly.

  7. Baron Somebody March 29, 2009 at 2:54 am -      #7

    I have no idea about either of these two games, but what if MC used a plasma sword to chop the brain thing up?

  8. JoshMcFace March 29, 2009 at 6:52 am -      #8

    “I’d be willing to bet he could do so repeatedly.”
    The thing was literally impossible to dodge in Super Metroid. As Cpt Olimar said, it’s also very prolonged, so it’s not just a case of jumping out the way like a spartan laser etc.
    Maybe now that Samus has new weapons and upgrades, she hurt the Mother Brain more than she could during Super Metroid. The spartan laser could also do some damage, but its long charge time makes it inferior to the hyper beam that took Mother Brain down.

  9. Thepocalypse March 29, 2009 at 8:56 am -      #9

    “The thing was literally impossible to dodge in Super Metroid.”
    Game mechanics. Non-canon.

  10. Cpt Olimar March 29, 2009 at 9:47 am -      #10

    “Game mechanics. Non-canon.”

    That’s one way of interpreting it, but I see it as, no matter what Samus did, Mother Brain could hit her with it. It’s a way of showing that Mother brain is stronger than Samus. Mother Brain ultimately defeated Samus in the game. It has to be considered canon. Whether it’s meant as a plot device it does not matter. Mother Brain defeated Samus and was this close to killing her.

  11. marche March 29, 2009 at 10:50 am -      #11

    yes that big brain did defeat samus,but now we must consider all her other weapons/suits she didnt have when facing her.
    so this will be different.

  12. the_man_with The_Answers March 29, 2009 at 11:59 am -      #12

    Both Samous and MC are near invincible. Combined force from the two could defeat anything. As long as they were equiped with the best weapons they had, I think it would be easy.

  13. Scenario March 29, 2009 at 12:13 pm -      #13

    The fact remains that Mother Brain canonically defeated Samus. Though that was before she got all her fancy new toys, many of which could destroy Mother Brain. In fact, Samus would have won if not for the hyper beam.

  14. Skrunks March 29, 2009 at 9:25 pm -      #14

    You have to remember that all of her fancy new toys from the Prime games take place chronologically before Super Metroid. The only thing that would make a difference is Hyper Mode. If Samus had access to Hyper Mode and all her Phazon enchanced goodies, I think the battle would be drastically different then that in Super Metroid. However, she lost her corruption at the end of Prime 3. Not only that, but all of her new ‘toys’ are tailored to specific environments. The Light Beam for example, does almost nothing to beings from the realm of light. To Mother Brain, It probably wouldn’t do anything more then an un-upgraded power beam.

    As for MC….

    Haha. That’s funny. The Hyper Beam wasn’t the only thing Mother Brain had in her arsenal. She also had explosives the cascaded over the whole room and her generic energy weapon had enough punch to kill a Super Metroid. That thing took out nearly a whole energy tank from Samus. I think one single blast from that would be even stronger then the Spartan Laser. Hell, one shot and MC is toast. Not to mention if she ever decided to you know, step on him. Not only that, but assuming MC could dodge every single attack from Mother Brian, he has nothing in his arsenal that could even scratch her except for the Rocket Launcher or the Spartan Laser. And even then, he would have to hit her right in that eye of hers when it’s open. Otherwise she’s invulnerable.

    I think we can declare Mother Brain the winner of this one.

  15. Danman March 30, 2009 at 1:54 am -      #15

    MC would use his awesomeness to kill mother brain not to mention his luck which is his super power. MC doesnt need a stupid laser or rockets he can just kil it with his…..WRAITH CRUSHING FISTS! lololol. also the mother brain would try and shoot the beam thing at chiefs head but it would bounce of chiefs shiny gold visor and kill herself

  16. JoshMcFace March 30, 2009 at 10:58 am -      #16

    The closest thing we have to seeing Samus fighting Mother Brain with phazon is the battle with the Aurora unit in Prime 3. Any links between Mother Brain and the Aurora unit have yet to be officially released however, despite how they are almost certainly related. Keeping that in mind, the Aurora still put up a hell of a fight against hyper mode Samus before being taken down, and it was of at least equal strength if not stronger than Mother Brain, although Aurora was itself enhanced with phazon, which makes the effect of hyper mode upon it more complicated. However, I think phazon blasts in Mother Brains weak spot (the eye) would be effective.
    MC’s “wraith crushing fists” would be like flies on a windshield, in fact, if he tried something as stupid as that, Samus would most likely kill him herself.

  17. Cpt Olimar March 30, 2009 at 12:39 pm -      #17

    I could see MC trying to punch Mother Brain, but getting killed by the explosion of Samus’s rockets lol.

    I would say that the Aurora unit can be considered to be a primitive form of Mother Brain, although it got phazon corruption while Mother Brain did not, or so we think. I would say everything about Mother Brain is superior tech-wise to Aurora unit with the exception of the phazon. However, I still don’t see hypermode Samus doing well against Mother Brain’s hyperbeam.

    As a side note, I would if the name “hyperbeam” and the name of Samus’s phazon mode “hypermode” just happen to use the same key word or not. It might just be a coincidence but….. hmmm who knows. I still say that Mother Brain’s hyperbeam is going to overpower samus, just like it left her disabled in Super Metroid.

  18. the_man_with The_Answers March 30, 2009 at 7:39 pm -      #18

    All MC would have to do is plant a HAVOK nuclear mine, set it for 5 min or remote detination, then use his 130kph speed to run out of the blast zone. Don’t think samous isn’t part of this plan, she is the distraction, a key role. Oh and by the way, the mine will be hidden so hopes of MB defuseing it in time wihle she i under fire are slim to none, it would take MC’s or a leprichaun’s luck.

  19. Who? March 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm -      #19

    “All MC would have to do is plant a HAVOK nuclear mine, set it for 5 min or remote detination, then use his 130kph speed to run out of the blast zone. Don’t think samous isn’t part of this plan, she is the distraction, a key role.”

    Not in a room with such close confines. You have to remember that this is the Super Metroid Mother Brain. If you know what that even means. MC has very few effective attacks to perform on MB, even with her vulnerable eye open. I think he’s dead in this battle, I won’t lie. Unless he covers Samus while in cover with the SL, aiming it directly at her eye. But wait… THERE IS NO COVER! Not to mention one shot from MB’s energy weapon would punch a hole in MC, regardless of his shield. Make no mistake, this is the toughest battle these two would ever fight. Well actually, it was Samus’ closest battle.

  20. AlphaCommando March 30, 2009 at 8:17 pm -      #20

    When did HAVOK nukes become standard issue or even rarely used weapons for Spartans?

    …Oh wait they didn’t…

  21. Cpt Olimar March 30, 2009 at 8:53 pm -      #21

    It certainly wouldn’t work on planet Zebes, since mother brain is,somehow, connected to all the planet’s camera and defensive machinery. However,at any other scenario…..interesting.

  22. marche March 30, 2009 at 9:23 pm -      #22

    well that may work if the mother brain doesnt decimate him first.

  23. Who? March 30, 2009 at 10:33 pm -      #23

    We need more Mother Brain battles… Kraid and Ridley too…

  24. JoshMcFace March 31, 2009 at 2:02 pm -      #24

    Who?, that’s exactly what I thought when I suggested this one and the Phazon-flood scenario, but we do get quite a bit of Samus in battles. I suppose too much Metroid at once would be a waste of awesomeness.
    – the_man_with The_Answers, your argument revolves around Mother Brain not having enough time to destroy the bomb, yet you insist that MC would have the time to not only plant it, but hide it from the Mother Brain, who could destroy MC easily unless he keeps cover.
    You also seem to be forgetting that speed is not the key in getting out of planet Zebes (assuming the fight takes place there), which has caverns, tunnels, and winding underground pathways. It takes Samus’s morph ball, screw attack, shinespark and speed boost to get from Mother Brain’s base to the surface of Zebes. By the time MC was half way out, he would have been either destroyed, or Mother Brain would have blown the planet to bits. He’s going to have to do this battle face on with Mother Brain.

  25. Who? March 31, 2009 at 5:47 pm -      #25

    Ahh, your right Josh. Too much of a good thing never results in bliss. But still, we havn’t seen Kraid yet. Sniff.

  26. EnigmaJ March 31, 2009 at 6:56 pm -      #26

    “All MC would have to do is plant a HAVOK nuclear mine, set it for 5 min or remote detination, then use his 130kph speed to run out of the blast zone. Don’t think samous isn’t part of this plan, she is the distraction, a key role. Oh and by the way, the mine will be hidden so hopes of MB defuseing it in time wihle she i under fire are slim to none, it would take MC’s or a leprichaun’s luck.”

    xD Hilarious!

    Yea, I dont think MC would be too much help. Maybe as a distraction?

  27. the_man_with The_Answers March 31, 2009 at 7:34 pm -      #27

    When did HAVOK nukes become standard issue or even rarely used weapons for Spartans?

    …Oh wait they didn’t…]

    Ummmmm…………..
    In every novel SPATANS use HAVOK tactical nuclear mines multiple times. It is a very commonly used weapon. Plus it doesn’t matter if t is tight space. If MC and Samous got in they can get out. If a nuke can level a city, it will definaty destroy MB. Oh sorry to leave this out. In the novel The Fall of Reach, MC destroyed a covenant infsted city and it only took him a couple of seconds to plant the nuke then 10min kill 3 jackels, 2 hunters, and escape through sewers he has never been through in his life. And due to a SPARTAN’s memory and John’s luck, he could just trace the pre-cleared path him and samous used to get there.

  28. Who? March 31, 2009 at 10:51 pm -      #28

    “Plus it doesn’t matter if t is tight space. If MC and Samous got in they can get out.”

    Hell yes it does. You don’t seem to understand that they are trapped completely in a room with a 50 some odd foot giant brain that could shoot MC dead with her weakest weapons with only a couple of shots, or less. She could wipe out all of Samus’ twenty energy tanks with her hyperbeam within seconds. The only way to unlock the walls? Defeat Mother Brain, who will then set a ten minute countdown that will destroy Zebes. Samus, who can run at speeds around mach 5, just barely made it to the surface of the planet in time. How she beat Mother Brain? Against all odds the metroid infant that became the super metroid attacked Mother Brain. It drained almost all of her energy and transfused it all to Samus, who not only regained all lost energy, but obtained the hyper beam. Now, this weapon has the puch of the power bombs she uses. These bombs are basicly mini nukes. So with her life force at a near end, Mother Brain took at least fifty shots from this powerful weapon before finally collapsing.

    If the Chief somehow managed to plant this mine you are saying is a regular part of his arsenal on Mother Brain before he was vaporized, and also managed to pull a Houdini in a completely sealed off room, MB would still use her superior intellect and drones to defuse the mine. With MC running down the lower chambers of Tourian, he noticed a foul stinch though his helmet before a seering pain coursed through his body as Mother Brain raised the level of Tourian’s extreamly potent acid lake. This acid can even burn through Samus’ gravity suit, it will decimate MC. But that won’t happen, beleive me. One shot from MB’s generic energy weapon would fling the Chief accross the room and slam him against the wall. While he suffers a seveir concussion, his eyes water up as he regains enough conciseness to witness Mother Brain tower above him. He releases his bowels and lets out a high pitched scream that is cut short as MB lowers her colossal foot on the poor spartan, who’s guts splatter out like a toothpaste container.

    If the Chief and Samus want to survive this fight, they need a much better gameplan than what you are trying to suggest the_man_with The_Answers, otherwise they will fail miserably. Do not think that Chief can do this battle single handedly either, Samus will undoubtedly have to do most of the work as MC’s strongest weapons will do little more than ricochet off the brain, understand? Spartan laser perhaps will be an excellant weapon to use while covering Samus. But he had better make sure that MB is focusing on Samus, otherwise he’s toast.

  29. Cpt Olimar April 1, 2009 at 12:28 am -      #29

    Although I still think that Mother Brain will win this, it should be noted that when mother brain used the hyper beam attack, she appeared vulnerable. So if samus gets hit, master chief might instantly shoot a rocket to minimized damage done to samus. I think it fair to say that a rocket would interrupt her attack.

    The trouble comes in to play for our heroes as “who?” described. Mother Brain takes a ton of damage. First the battle with samus, then super metroid leeching her, and then a crap load of hyperbeams from samus. Without the Super Metroid, I don’t see the fire power from our heroes being enough. I seriously question whether Samus will run out of missiles… and that’s saying a lot. But that’s assuming she will have time to shoot them all.

  30. L-W April 1, 2009 at 12:47 am -      #30

    Without a doubt Master Chief is the dead end in this fight, dragging his heels along as Samus defiantly leaps, rolls and flies whilst struggling to maintain the fine between life and instant death as a charred outline against the rear wall.

    Samus, who could *just* barely keep herself out of range of the offensive capabilities of her opponent, can exceed Mach 5 at a staggering 6190kmph. The Chief, in comparison, is dead weight.

    Her only hope is to either use the Chief as a suitable distraction to buy her precious nanoseconds, or euthanize him to spare him the misery of an inevitable death.

  31. Who? April 3, 2009 at 4:59 pm -      #31

    Soooo…. We can all agree now that Big Momma holds most of the cards here , right? Can we declare the Brain the most susceptible winner Admin?

  32. JoshMcFace April 4, 2009 at 6:38 am -      #32

    Yeah ‘Big Momma’ (lol) has the upper hand in most cases. Unless MC has helluva load of bubble shields and spartan lasers to back up Samus, its a win for the Mother Brain.

  33. Who? April 4, 2009 at 12:09 pm -      #33

    Agreed. Than I nominate Big Momma as the BankGambling champ.

  34. Cpt Olimar April 4, 2009 at 12:49 pm -      #34

    Man im surprised this went down so fast, I would have thought metroid/samus fans would have been nuts to support here… and at least some MC fanboys to go nuts about his killing them both at once or something.

    Well I guess it’s time, Mother Brain gets my nomination…

  35. Scenario April 4, 2009 at 2:12 pm -      #35

    Yeah, Mother Brain has insane endurance and attack power. Her weapons were capable of killing a Zebes Super Metroid without being ice based, and that’s near freaking impossible. It wasn’t even the Hyper beam, as she’d lost it at that point.

    I don’t quite remember, but I think Mother Brain only uses the Hyper beam once you’ve depleted your missiles. ALL 255 OF THEM.Then took a metroid to the face, and came back; nothing has ever done that before. After that, she took several of her own Hyper beam attacks before finally going down.

  36. JoshMcFace April 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm -      #36

    ” would have thought metroid/samus fans would have been nuts to support here”
    Well I guess Mother Brain has a place in any true Metroid fan’s heart, being debatably the greatest villain in the whole series and my personal favourite of all game villains. Scenario, as well as hopelessly wasting your missiles on her, SHE FREAKING SUCKED THEM OUT OF YOU! She’s essentially a 2-D dinosaur-brain-chicken-robot and yet she still managed to make me cry. I too, nominate Mother Brain and hope to see more of her in this site.

  37. Master Arbiter(Spartan G44) April 4, 2009 at 7:04 pm -      #37

    While Driving to the battle Master Chief would get lost and Samus would say go get directiions and chief would back off a cliff so……… Mother Brain wins jk. I thnk chief with a Spartan Lasar and Samus could pull it off.

  38. Who? April 4, 2009 at 7:09 pm -      #38

    “She’s essentially a 2-D dinosaur-brain-chicken-robot and yet she still managed to make me cry.”

    That one made milk come out of my nose! And I’m not drinking milk! Ha! So is that three or four votes now? I think we have a winner!

  39. Skrunks April 4, 2009 at 11:32 pm -      #39

    She get’s my vote. Samus is a tough cookie, but Mother Brain is the most advanced construct of the Chozo, meant to lead the galaxy into peace, but instead decided to conquer it and forcibly bring order. After it’s first defeat at the hands of Samus, she came back from the dead, but this time with a hell of an attitude. With the tremendous biomechanical body, it kicked the shite out of the most famed bounty hunter in the galaxy (which has never happened before, not even Metroid Prime, Dark Samus, the freaking Metroid Queen or even the SA-X). Heck, all the Phazon experimentation was conducted before Super Metroid. Who knows, maybe the Hyper Beam is Phazon powered and all that Phazon research was used to construct Mother Brain’s hideous body?

    Like I said, she get’s my vote.

  40. Who? April 5, 2009 at 1:29 am -      #40

    “Who knows, maybe the Hyper Beam is Phazon powered and all that Phazon research was used to construct Mother Brain’s hideous body?”

    Very intresting… “rubs chin while blowing into a bubble pipe”

  41. Cpt Olimar April 5, 2009 at 2:27 am -      #41

    Yea, the only thing in the Metroid timeline that really makes no sense is how Phazon fits in. But at least the confusion isn’t NEARLY as bad as it is in Zelda. Gosh, I don’t even have an idea besides that OoT is first…… or is MM…..ugh.

    This has to be one of the very few boss fights where I’m glad the game developers decided to make it more “epic” than actually hard. IN terms of difficulty, I think that Ridley was WAY harder. Especially if you didn’t try to get all the upgrades before fighting mother brain. Either way, awesome game and epic ending :)

  42. Who? April 5, 2009 at 11:51 am -      #42

    Speaking of Ridley, do any of you think his resurrection was phazon related?

  43. Scenario April 5, 2009 at 12:29 pm -      #43

    I think all phazon went inert after Phaaze exploded. So Mother Brain is likely a fusion of stolen/reverse engineered technology, possibly ancient Chozo designs, and the best that the Space Pirates can make. Mother Brain is the technological peak.

  44. JoshMcFace April 5, 2009 at 2:47 pm -      #44

    “Speaking of Ridley, do any of you think his resurrection was phazon related?”
    According to the manga, Ridley can regenerate his cells by consuming corpses, he mocks Samus by saying “maybe your mama is in here…or here” pointing to his chest. What an evil, evil dragon he is. All though that of course doesn’t explain how he came back after exploding and disintergrating into dust. Maybe just a bit of his DNA and a few cells are needed for him to regenerate…
    Skrunks is right, Mother Brain was originally a Chozo councilor. The metroids are her ‘children’ and Samus’s suit is of her design.
    www.onemanga.com/Metroid/16/30/
    mmmmm epic.

  45. Who? April 5, 2009 at 6:12 pm -      #45

    “he mocks Samus by saying “maybe your mama is in here…or here” pointing to his chest.”

    That’s brutal man, just brutal.

    “Maybe just a bit of his DNA and a few cells are needed for him to regenerate…”

    Or perhaps there was enough DNA left behind to be cloned… Or the Pirates have an entire project that consists of Ridley clones! You know, maybe Samus walks into a room full of tanks that contain copys of him… It’s a conspiracy I tells ya!!!

    I don’t know, but I could never imagine Ridley pulling a Durge.

  46. Who? April 7, 2009 at 4:50 pm -      #46

    So Admin, what’s the verdict of this match?

  47. admin April 7, 2009 at 9:56 pm -      #47

    “So it is written, so it shall be done”

  48. Who? April 8, 2009 at 3:28 pm -      #48

    Now Samus and Boba Fett vs Big Momma, perhaps a whole other story…

  49. sangheli_spec April 10, 2009 at 1:53 am -      #49

    chief had to get there somehow maybe he could call in the sangheli special ops (the elites with that came in drop pods at floodgate) to infiltrate MB since they have permanet active camoflauge they can plant chiefs nuke and punch thru the doors since elites are as strong as spartans plus carry standard issue plasma swords,rifles,and grenades and even a power drain if they wanted they might die but there into dying with honor and all that crap so it wouldn’t be a big deal and if that fails call in a scarab or 2

  50. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 10, 2009 at 6:04 am -      #50

    chief could ask arbiter to send elite special ops with a HAVOK nuke into MB since elites have standars issue active camoflauge plasma rifles,swords,and grenades and usually come in drop pods or cloaked phantoms even if they couldn’t escape after planting a nuke they like all that dieing with honor stuff and if that fails a scarab or 2 can attack the brain head on and and with its huge primary plasma cannon and secondary plasma gun on ith gack it will kill Morther brain

  51. Who? April 10, 2009 at 10:01 am -      #51

    Help! MC fanboy running amok!

  52. Sharagran April 10, 2009 at 10:03 am -      #52

    Sangheli, did you read the title of this match correctly?

    “Master Chief & Samus Vs Mother Brain”

    That means no Arbiter, no Elites, no drop pods, and no Scarabs.

  53. Space marine April 10, 2009 at 10:04 am -      #53

    “chief could ask arbiter to send elite special ops with a HAVOK nuke into MB since elites have standars issue active camoflauge plasma rifles,swords,and grenades and usually come in drop pods or cloaked phantoms even if they couldn’t escape after planting a nuke they like all that dieing with honor stuff and if that fails a scarab or 2 can attack the brain head on and and with its huge primary plasma cannon and secondary plasma gun on ith gack it will kill Morther brain”

    Moron….

  54. JoshMcFace April 10, 2009 at 6:04 pm -      #54

    “a scarab or 2 can attack the brain head on and and with its huge primary plasma cannon and secondary plasma gun on ith gack it will kill Morther brain”
    Please…No…
    You just have a load of random information but have no idea how to string it together. You honestly hurt my very soul.
    Congrats to the Mother Brain here and I second Samus and Boba Fett vs Big Momma. That’s much more of a challenge…

  55. Skrunks April 12, 2009 at 1:46 am -      #55

    Heh heh heh….

    With the new information about Samus’ weapons operating in the Terawatt Range…. it stands to reason that Mother Brain’s must operate in the Petawatt range. I think MC just soild his armor. I actually think MC would survive the encounter… but that’s only because Mother Brain would be totally oblivious to the present of such a meager insect.

  56. JoshMcFace April 14, 2009 at 9:48 am -      #56

    Petawatts!?!?! So Mother Brain’s attacks are comparable to the energy that Earth receives from the sun??…
    Mother Brain’s attacks could power the Planet!! My god!

  57. Matapiojo April 14, 2009 at 9:58 am -      #57

    I would stay away from the Petawatt statement for the time being. Sure, logic would say that COULD be the case, but there is no real evidence that supports that.

    As it stands, the Volt-Driver’s description has a (pretty loud in my mind) ring of exageration. Sure, its there in black-and-white so it nigh impossible to argue against that, but I would ask for supporting evidence before buffing most Metroid bosses with Petawatt capabilities.

    As it stands, a single Terrawatt (which is what has been proven) is more than enough to blast MC into nothingness. Lets not overtly escalate that just to stroke Metroid’s epeen.

  58. Cpt Olimar April 14, 2009 at 10:07 am -      #58

    I wouldn’t go so far to state that… even assuming the terrwatt description is 100% true. Still, the damage cause by her is enormous.

  59. L-W April 14, 2009 at 11:07 am -      #59

    And just to assert what Mata has mentioned, just because the Volt Driver can utilize a source measured in terrawatts does not necessarily mean that other Metroid weapons are equatable or even function on the same basis. Just look at this quote:

    “The VOLT DRIVER draws energy from the planetary electromagnetic field and converts it into multi-terawatt bursts of HIGHVOLTAGE.” -Metroid Prime: Hunters Logbook Entry

    Can we ascertain that this variable is present in all Metroid weapons? Or that the weapon efficiently converts these bursts into other targets?

  60. Matapiojo April 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm -      #60

    “Can we ascertain that this variable is present in all Metroid weapons? Or that the weapon efficiently converts these bursts into other targets?”

    I think that his standing argument is on comparable damage output from that weapon and others. Sort of like a:

    “If the charged VD beam does two energy bars worth of damage onto Samus, that means that weapons that do 2+ shield damage on her must be considerably higher as the VD is already a multi-terrawatt blast.”

    and

    “Samus’ shields are so impressive that they can soak up several charged VD blasts before failing”

    and

    “The numerous Metroid denizens are capable of withstanding such energy outputs as well because they can soak up this amount of damage from a VD blast shot by Samus”
    —————————————————-
    Like I said, his evidence is pretty robust, but I get the feeling more and more that those words were produced by an over-zealous designer. Reason says that there is no way this is even possible. Specially considering this is all a cross comparisson across the board on game mechanics parting from a single weapon canonical entry.

    If this is indeed the case, the entirety of the Metroid universe is now elevated to be parallel in power to 40k and above. Now Samus will only be able to be defeated by Thor’s and Super Man’s tier of characters.

    I don’t know. It all seems wrong to me, but this is only my opinion.

    The fact is that the Volt-Driver DOES say multi-terrawats in its description, and that cannot be ignored.

  61. JoshMcFace April 14, 2009 at 1:21 pm -      #61

    I see what you mean here. I hate the idea of Samus becoming one of the ‘God’ tier. Her humanity is an important aspect of her character, and I’ve gotten comfortable with her being >MC but

    I think when looking back to the games (especially those of the 2-D generation), it seems pretty obvious that the designers never had a terawatt figure in mind. It’s like saying that Mario has some sort of gravitational manipulation device in his hat or something, I just don’t want to know.

    I wouldn’t want to cheapen the Metroid Universe by overpowering it ridiculously. Its my opinion that the designer responsible for the Volt-Driver description had little idea what kind of range he was placing Samus’s weapons in.

  62. Scenario April 14, 2009 at 3:48 pm -      #62

    About Samus being less than Iron Man, is that comic or movie version? I ask because Comic is way overpowered. I still have difficulty with him taking on Thor.

  63. Who? April 14, 2009 at 6:16 pm -      #63

    “I see what you mean here. I hate the idea of Samus becoming one of the ‘God’ tier. Her humanity is an important aspect of her character, and I’ve gotten comfortable with her being >MC but

    Thats exactly how I felt. I feel all topsy-turvy with this new thought… I just don’t know how to argue against it!

  64. JoshMcFace April 15, 2009 at 8:10 am -      #64

    I was thinking of the ridiculous, uber, Thor-busting iron man. I’m just not going to take these new figures too seriously.

  65. EnigmaJ April 20, 2009 at 5:24 pm -      #65

    “JoshMcFace: but “Scenario: About Samus being less than Iron Man”

    I really wish admin had done that one before all this terawatt crap =(

  66. EnigmaJ April 20, 2009 at 5:31 pm -      #66

    No offense though, Skrunks

  67. Skrunks April 20, 2009 at 7:24 pm -      #67

    None taken. I agree with everything that was said here. My basis for reasoning is that the only real-world connection we have with any of the Metroid weapon output is that terrawatt number. If a future game comes out with weapon being measured in say…. megawatts or kilowatts, I’ll have no problem letting go of the Terawatt figure.

    However, there is other evidence to support such an insane weapon, like the Battlehammer: “The BATTLEHAMMER is powered by a miniature nuclear reactor. This HEAVY-DUTY repeater is recommended only for those familiar with high-caliber weaponry.”

    Since fission reactions are common with modern reactors and fusion isn’t all that far away, (fusion bombs are already employed), a weapon with it’s own nuclear reactor to power it would be quite powerful indeed. The same goes for the Annihilator beam.

    But I take back my Petawatt statement. A petawatt laser is so powerful that it simultaneously splits atoms and strips their electrons away. www.llnl.gov/str/MPerry.html

    Even if the Terawatt ‘crap’ does all prove to be true, then the hyperbeam would still be a terrawatt weapon, just a higher caliber weapon. 8 Terrawatts as opposed to 2.

    “I see what you mean here. I hate the idea of Samus becoming one of the ‘God’ tier. Her humanity is an important aspect of her character, and I’ve gotten comfortable with her being >MC but

    I agree sorta… I like the thought of Samus whooping everyone, lol. But in all seriousness, Samus’ humanity is there regardless of what power her weapons are in. The Metroid Manga shows that she suffers from PTSD. Name another video game hero/heroine that realisticly suffers from the trauma of a child? Furthermore even if Samus’ weapons are in the terawatt range, sure she could pwn most other video game characters, but the threats she faces in her own universe are enough to make her look pretty insignificant, I.E. Mother Brain, Dark Samus, the X. In her own universe, she wins fights using cunning, skill and unwavering focus on her task at hand, not overwhelming firepower. As long as she can be outclassed by her own villans, I don’t care what her weapon caliber is.

  68. EnigmaJ April 20, 2009 at 8:39 pm -      #68

    Wait… so its impossible for the metroid weaps to be in the petawatt? Didn’t the Tsar Bomb produe 5.4 yottawatts?

  69. Skrunks April 21, 2009 at 5:43 am -      #69

    The Tsar Bomba was a 50 megaton bomb with an 8km wide fireball registering in the millions of degrees and a mushroom cloud 60 km high. Even if it was technologically possible to devise a hand held weapon with the same firepower as the most powerful device ever constructed by mankind, it would be utterly impractical. That bomb released 1% of the energy of the Sun. It is utterly ludicrous to believe that any sci-fi technology could produce a hand held weapon with even remotely the same yield as that monster.

    Besides, Watt is a measurement of power, which is W = J/s. The reaction of the Tsar Bomba lasted for 39 nanoseconds, and it released 210 Petajoules of energy. 210,000,000,000,000,000/0.000 000 039 = 5.4 Yottawatts.

  70. Cpt Olimar April 21, 2009 at 9:43 am -      #70

    these numbers are mind boggling. I for one cannot possibly comprehend that kind of number. Easy to say but man…. and that’s NOT sci-fi too. Crazy world we live in eh?

  71. AlphaCommando April 21, 2009 at 9:45 am -      #71

    Never say stupid or ludicrous, as long as its not a paradox it is theoretically possible. Human knowledge is a drop in the galactic bucket of possible information, we love to flaunt knowledge when we don’t know shit (course we have nothing to flaunt it against but I digress).

    A thousand years ago nobody could have fathomed the nuke or the computer or the plane, electric generator, Advil, genetic engineering, none of it; so saying that something can never be reached is being just as blind as ancient peoples.

    I’m not saying that it will happen, just to not discount it.

    Other than that; I am now very disappointed that we now have to move Samus up a few Tiers, she always struck me as that Iron man level…stupid game designers.

  72. Matapiojo April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am -      #72

    “I am now very disappointed that we now have to move Samus up a few Tiers, she always struck me as that Iron man level…stupid game designers.”

    Amen, brother.

    If it were up to me, I would obviate most weapon descriptions in the Metroid Prime: Hunters game. That team was on a power trip.

  73. AlphaCommando April 21, 2009 at 11:59 am -      #73

    “That team was on a power trip.”

    Hahaha, see “power” because its…lasers, use power and…yeah, lasers….haha

  74. Matapiojo April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm -      #74

    “Hahaha, see “power” because its…lasers, use power and…yeah, lasers….haha”

    Zing!

  75. Skrunks April 22, 2009 at 4:05 am -      #75

    “Never say stupid or ludicrous, as long as its not a paradox it is theoretically possible. Human knowledge is a drop in the galactic bucket of possible information, we love to flaunt knowledge when we don’t know shit (course we have nothing to flaunt it against but I digress).”

    I worded that wrong. Possible yes, practical? Heck no. Anyway, I agree whole heartedly with this.

    “If it were up to me, I would obviate most weapon descriptions in the Metroid Prime: Hunters game. That team was on a power trip.”

    I agree. At least unless we have some confirmation from another game. And I don’t think this really moves her up higher then the Iron Man level, does it? Some of Iron Mans attacks hit pretty hard, but it’s too late to actually do the math on this stuff.

  76. Chuck Norris April 22, 2009 at 7:03 am -      #76

    You know what would be a very interesting fight? Mother Brain vs. the SA-X. As has been pointed out repeately, theoretically Mother Brain is a match for Samus… so what about multiple Samus clones?

  77. Josh September 17, 2009 at 2:24 pm -      #77

    THIS VIDEO SHALL END THIS DEBATE!

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