What if…Batman was replaced by the Punisher in Gotham City?

Batman replaced by the Punisher in Gotham City

Would it be easier for the likes of the Joker?
Would Gotham City welcome their new hero?
Would he have any sidekicks?
What else might occur?

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67 Comments on "What if…Batman was replaced by the Punisher in Gotham City?"

  1. Thepocalypse March 18, 2009 at 8:19 am -      #1

    Less criminals would be caught, but those that were would be killed rather than captured. So, many of Gotham’s villains would get exactly what they deserve, but a lot of them would fall through the cracks of the Punisher’s sub-par investigative skills. I’d assume he’d die at the hands of a crafty criminal like the Joker.

  2. Baron Somebody March 18, 2009 at 9:19 am -      #2

    The Scarecrow would probably mess him up somehow…with that gas stuff he has it would do a lot

  3. Spellca March 18, 2009 at 2:51 pm -      #3

    I forsee…a huge decimation of Gotham’s criminal underworld rather quickly. Penguin and any other non superpowered villians will be out within a day or two tops. Joker might live to be a nemesis for a month or so…maybe a year. But lets all remember Smilex or Joker Venom would kill everyone favorate homicidal vigilante with a sick smirk. Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze would be tough but eventually killed but I see Clayface and Bane becoming problems. Punisher isn’t the sniper rifle type so anything threatening will be fought up close or with medium ranged firearms. But since, like Marvel, DC is a multiverse with many villians on the move. So Lex Luthor and others might face death as well as they pass through. I also don’t see Punisher’s style being accepted by the G.C.P.D. and might be hunted like he was by the police, S.H.I.E.L.D. and FBI in the MArvel Universe. Also, some members of the Gotham Police force are corrupt so he will go after them along with any rapists, drug addicts and gangsters in the city’s area.

    So sidekicks. Sorry Robin, Nightwing and Batgirl but Punisher is a loner and might shoot you down if you move to swiftly in a dark alley.

  4. marche March 18, 2009 at 3:21 pm -      #4

    the punisher would be taken out by the joker,he simply doesnt have the smarts to keep up.

  5. kano547 March 18, 2009 at 3:23 pm -      #5

    it would be a better comic in my opinion instead of putting the joker in jail where he would just escape he would get a .45 in the skull heh escape that and a couple shotgun rounds will solve most of gothams problems ‘got trouble with the penguin? i say its open season and i just rememberd where my 30-06 was.

  6. The One Sin March 18, 2009 at 6:58 pm -      #6

    The dark knight would have been a short movie. The punisher would have just shot the joker.

  7. L-W March 18, 2009 at 7:37 pm -      #7

    I agree with Marche, Frank Castle is nowhere near the Joker caliber of insane genius intellect, who without the moral qualms regarding the importance of life (AKA Batman’s and Gotham City’s stringent moral code that the Joker loves to push) would simply be seen as an obstacle rather than a game or puzzle worth unraveling.

    He would have him killed, without laughter and without limerick. Quick and bloody.

  8. cyborg pirate ninja jesus March 19, 2009 at 8:08 am -      #8

    gotham city would have one less pedofile

  9. Spellca March 19, 2009 at 2:47 pm -      #9

    L-W…I disagree. I think your under estimating Frank Castle – a Vietnam veteran with skills in Special Forces and Demolitions. A good M-16 shot will down Joker rather easily and another three-round burst would end the saga. Plus Punisher’s ‘Battle Van” beats a modified ice cream truck or a pumped-up school bus anyday with its weapon stockpile, armor and computer systems.

    AS I said, Joker would live for a while but in the end all of Gotham’s criminally insane will be punished.

  10. Thepocalypse March 19, 2009 at 3:49 pm -      #10

    @Spellca
    The Joker has access to weaponry Frank Castle has never dreamed of. Everything the underworld or even military has to offer is his. He’s got helicopters, the Jokermobile, various modified conventional vehicles, and has the designs of the batmobile (See Batman: Inferno). He’s managed to single handedly throw Gotham into complete chaos. Castle has no hope of defeating a man who can match the Dark Knight hit for hit and poses an actual threat to Superman.

  11. Spellca March 28, 2009 at 2:14 pm -      #11

    Again…I disagree. You don’t think Castle has his share of man-men with a edge? Jigsaw, Bushwacker…may I go on? A sniper bullet through the windshield of a jacked up ice cream truck or a school bus on steriods will put the Clown Prince of Crime in a nice little coffin.

  12. marche March 28, 2009 at 4:42 pm -      #12

    Frank Castle may have gone through extensive military training,but we are talking about a psychotic clown who can outsmart batman,who is renowned as one of the greatest tactical minds in DC.
    Just when you think you have the joker,he sucker punches you(quite literally.)

  13. L-W March 28, 2009 at 6:04 pm -      #13

    I know enough about the Punisher to say that his intellect nowhere near matches that of the Joker. Military equipment and training may prove to be ample against the common thug, but they are nothing more than dead weights when the Villain in question is constantly thinking several dozen steps ahead of.

    Frank Castle is a blunt machete, apply enough force and it does wonders, but the Joker is a surgical cutting tool. Insane, but a correctly used Scalpel is far more efficient than any blunt hacking tool.

  14. demongrave April 23, 2009 at 6:40 am -      #14

    I agree Frank would have way too many problems with Gotham’s mad-men. But my real question is what happens to the villan’s in The Punisher’s world when Batman takes charge?

  15. Terror April 27, 2009 at 5:26 pm -      #15

    ??? I’ve never seen Joker do anything that qualifies as “great.” All his schemes and machinations are the epitome of stupidity in my opinion, as they rely on so many variables, they would unravel.

    What do I mean? Well first of all, look at how Joker likes to bait his enemies? He constantly puts his life in his senemies hands relying on their sense of right and wrong to keep him alive. Uh, sorry… That’s a mistake he’d only have to make one time with Punisher, and he’d be dead.

    Watching the movies, I cannot count how many tactical mistakes Joker made, and how often I cringed at just how utterly stupid Batman would have to be to fall for his ploys – He’s transparent, he’s a wimp, and he’s downright unimpressive.

    The fact that he is a match for Batman and other DC hero’s speaks more to the level of bad writing than it does to show off his genius. Dark Knight Returns was a great example of how moronic Joker can be.

    Sorry. I just don’t see it. This is not to say that Punisher is all that great either, but he gets the job done with finality. A few of his War Journal episodes were quite impressive. The man knows how to fight, and he does the right thing by putting his prey down for the count.

    Joker on the other hand, plays around far too much, and by all accounts he should be dead 1,000 X over if he ever had an opponent who wasn’t a boy scout.

  16. anakin skywalker May 17, 2009 at 12:02 am -      #16

    that would be cool

  17. Skrunks May 17, 2009 at 3:26 am -      #17

    Yes the Joker toys around, but only with those he feels worthy of toying around with. I agree with L-W, the Joker is far too intelligent. Frank Castle might cause a bit of a problem, but the Joker would deal with him eventually. Even if it takes some smiley gas to the face.

    Although, I could see it being pretty damn epic. I don’t think the Joker has ever faced someone quite like the Punisher. Frank’s shoot first and ask questions later style might be a monkey wrench thrown into the Joker’s machinations. Then agian, that also makes the Punisher predictible. It would be easy enough to hire a couple of rapists and criminals, and once Punisher shows his face, level the entire city block.

  18. L-W May 17, 2009 at 4:21 am -      #18

    Sure the Joker is a fiendish sociopath with a sadistic sense of humor, but he is also an incredibly gifted engineer with a genius level intellect that dwarfs most DC characters. In one comic he kidnaps a professional hacker to do his bidding, within a few days he executes said hacker after learning everything he needs to know from just watching his prisoner work (He goes from an illiterate to professional hacker in just a few days). In other depictions he is seen picking up and mastering musical instruments within hours, only to grow bored afterward and toss them away.

    Throughout the evolution of the DC Universe, interpretations and incarnations of the Joker have taken two distinct forms. The original and currently dominant image is of a fiendishly intelligent sociopath mentioned previously. The other interpretation of the character, popular in the late 1940s through 1960s comic books as well as the 1960s television series, is that of an eccentric but harmless prankster and thief.

    The Joker is just too much for Frank Castle to handle.

  19. Jwlynas May 27, 2009 at 7:26 am -      #19

    And after L-W’s descriptions of Joker, i want to see him face Moriarty… or Holmes for that matter.

  20. Kenny C. June 9, 2009 at 11:36 am -      #20

    Frank Castle reaction to Gothams criminals-

    Riddler – I have a riddle for yo *BANG*.
    Castle – I had a .50 cal bullet for you.

    Joker – I’ve placed Joker gas around Gotham city, you have to go to each one and disarm them by completing the number games attached to them! HAHHAAAAA
    Castle – Or I could torture you til you disarm the bombs.
    Joker – ……

    Pengiun – Watch it, this cane is loaded.
    Castle – This minigun is loaded with 20,000 rounds, each one capable of ripping you in two.

    Castle looks at the hulking Bane , takes out a Desert Eagle, and shows why it’s stupid to be a villian without a gun.

  21. the dude July 1, 2009 at 12:23 am -      #21

    punisher would go through them like a hot knife through butter, the joker doesnt stand a chance. i dont know why i beats batman, hell batmans an idiot, he captures a pyschopath who murders people sends him to jail and next day he is killing again, all these deaths are on batmans head. Frank would take him down no problem, hell he even had a symbiote like suit he used in the world war hulk portion of war journals.

  22. midnite marauder July 1, 2009 at 2:38 am -      #22

    I agree with Kenny C. I think the punisher would be able to hold his own in Gotham. I’ve read some of his comics and played the games and he’s not the mindless brute with an itchy trigger finger you guys make him out to be. He researches every super villain and gang he goes after before hand. He’s also taken down super powered villains before like bullseye, jigsaw in the prototype iron man suit, the russian, wolverine, and many others. I also believe Punisher can take the joker because if he’s just inserted into Gotham he’s not known so The Joker wouldn’t realize he’s there untill its to late. He could just follow Joker to his hideout wait untill he comes out and take him down hitman style with a sniper rifle from 2 block away. That is the only way I see him taking The Joker though because he’s just to smart for anything else. If the punisher makes himself known to him he will be doomed to fail.

  23. Marche July 1, 2009 at 3:34 am -      #23

    I’ll say it again,Punisher doesn’t have the smarts to survive in gotham.

    The joker would outsmart him,Punisher fights pretty much real life gangs,the triads would shit their pants if they set foot in Gotham and try to upstage the Batmans rogue gallery.

  24. hitman8 July 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm -      #24

    ”he would get a .45 in the skull heh escape that ”

    uhhhhhhh he was shot in the head in the comics and came back so there.
    and could the joker just hit the punisher with some joker gas. and if you say “”oh the punisher would just shoot him” people have tried that and the joker is way to crafty and would find the punishers hideout and blow it up and eventualy kill the punisher.

  25. Darth Lord of the Sith July 24, 2009 at 3:40 am -      #25

    People who say Punisher could just shoot Joker are a bit lacking in analysis. Yes, he can shoot the clown dead. But the question is, would he be able to catch Joker in the first place? Joker has the ability of “taking care” of the Punisher before Castle could ever act.

    And we still haven’t talked about other Batman Villains all capable of hunting down the Punisher. Yes, many criminals would die. But the Punisher would also be on the daethlist.

  26. James August 10, 2009 at 2:45 am -      #26

    Can you give me some examples on how Joker “take care” of the Punisher before he could act?

  27. dark elmo August 16, 2009 at 12:33 am -      #27

    Punisher would snipe joker in the forehead, wanted style, and at the same time batman would be getting jumped in an alley by bullseye, jigsaw, barracuda, the russian, kingpin, and bushwacker. eventually nightwing would come to his aid and kick supervillain bootay!

  28. Asger August 18, 2009 at 8:40 am -      #28

    Guys like Bane wouldn’t be too threatening.He bea the shit out of Rhino using a grenade-launcher and a a ‘Satan Claw’.

  29. ss August 20, 2009 at 7:08 pm -      #29

    punisher would handle this, and as for the joker, a gas mask and armor would render, his most used weapons useless, andin the noncanon crossovers, joker didnt stand a chance, in either 1. also noncannon he took the marvel universe, killing people WAY out of jokers leaugue, like doom. shows what he is capapble of if he puts his mind to it. OH and for those who say he just fight thugs, he chooses to because, the directly effect that people, he had fought plenty of supers, as he is currently doing. wost come to worst he wil suicode bomb joker, like in suicide run, he isnt afraid of death, thats 1 thing joker isnt used to

  30. ss August 20, 2009 at 7:10 pm -      #30

    also, he would have side kicks, but only fo tech and clean up

  31. Beaugita September 7, 2009 at 3:34 pm -      #31

    No criminal would survive. Not even Joker.

  32. Paladino February 4, 2010 at 1:17 pm -      #32

    When Batman retired Punisher begins

  33. DS March 27, 2010 at 3:04 pm -      #33

    It would not make the Joker safer, that’s for sure. The Punisher kills, Batman arrests, most of the time. The first time the Joker got caught by The Punisher, he would get put down. For good. The same for everyone else; Penguin, Two face. they would die, one after the other. By the time the Punisher was done, Gotham would cheer the Punisher, though Commissioner Gordon might not be too happy about a crazed maniac shooting all the people in town. pretty soon, Gotham would be bright and cheery and it would all be over.

  34. Mr Marvel June 16, 2010 at 12:26 pm -      #34

    The punisher was used to hunt down the likes of the X-Men. The guy is smart enough and tactically sound to take out the Joker. The guy uses guns for christ sake. If Batman can beat the Joker with a boomerang, i’m quite sure the Punisher can do even better with a Desert Eagle.

  35. The Geek Lord November 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm -      #35

    “Would it be easier for Joker?”
    Joker would be dead.

  36. tartorus February 27, 2011 at 12:32 am -      #36

    The only problem i see the punisher having would be if the joker tried what he did in dark night because there are a lot of tricks and while the punisher can deal with almost anyone else the joker also will resort to downright shooting at the punisher and the punisher would also have alot of trouble with the gpd

  37. Masonicon September 12, 2012 at 2:15 am -      #37

    all the Batman’s rogue gallery will dead instead of being imprisoned

  38. Captain Epic September 15, 2012 at 11:05 pm -      #38

    He is Gotham’s reckoning.

  39. ReDruM January 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm -      #39

    “I’ll say it again,Punisher doesn’t have the smarts to survive in gotham.

    The joker would outsmart him,Punisher fights pretty much real life gangs,the triads would shit their pants if they set foot in Gotham and try to upstage the Batmans rogue gallery.”

    No. Punisher is the type of character that will research and stalk his target for weeks before he makes his move hence why he always gets the job done. His MO is not to bust in and start shooting but to use the most efficient method available while minimizing civilian casualties. That can be anything from a skrull sniper round to the dome from miles away to C4 in your house that’s rigged to blow once you put a bagel in the toaster to a minigun parked in front of your route to get your daily paper.

  40. Amm0vamp1r3 January 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm -      #40

    Yea i think the Punisher would do good in gothem. He wouldn’t get as many tips from Commissioner Gordon and the police would be right about him being a “menace”

    Batmans villians are somewhat in range of The punishers. Somewhat being lightly used here.

    Joker = Jigsaw

    Bane = The russian

    etc etc. So i think he would be alright

  41. ReDruM January 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm -      #41

    “Batmans villians are somewhat in range of The punishers. Somewhat being lightly used here.”

    Difference is Punisher would be going for the kill each time and has no scruples on how he does it as long as people don’t get caught in the crossfire.

    Bane? Blow his ass away with a triple barreled rocket launcher.

    Joker? Sniped

    Deathstroke? Sniped or blown up.

    Clayface? Roasted with a flamethrower or plasma rifle.

    The options are limitless when you have access to actually lethal advanced technology.

  42. Amm0vamp1r3 January 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm -      #42

    Yea and no qualms about using them, and thats why he is one of my favorites

    So to answer these questions

    1)Would it be easier for the likes of the joker? He probably wouldn;t have as much. ” hey frank how would you like to play a game? haahahha” BANG

    2) would gotham city welcome there new hero? Seeing as they dont like batman,i highly doubt it

    3) Would he have any sidekicks? Seeing as he doesn’t get micro here,He would either get the DC version of him or not have one at all

    4)The Justice League would probably come down on him, and ” Punisher Kills the DC universe” would probably be made.
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  43. Amm0vamp1r3 January 29, 2013 at 4:02 am -      #43

    Just watched The Dark Knight Returns part 1 and 2

    If the punisher took over for him in that movie

    If he had Batmans PIS/CIS,he would have had a hard time,He would have got beaten up worse that bats did

    And the Super man fight,probably wouldn’t have worked out.

    With PIS he would have didi great,movie would have been more like a short film

  44. Professor ParaLowk January 29, 2013 at 6:39 am -      #44

    “Deathstroke? Sniped or blown up.”

    Won’t work anymore.

  45. Professor ParaLowk January 29, 2013 at 6:44 am -      #45

    Also Joker has apparently become evil Zero(Code geass) like tactician. Though he’d likely be taken out if all his plans fail and he tries to rely on the heroes don’t kill bit.

  46. LittleEpp dual wielding triple-bladed lightsabers January 29, 2013 at 7:14 am -      #46

    Would it be easier for the likes of the Joker?- No, Punisher would probably just shoot him as soon as he tried anything, but Riddler would outmanuever him so easily that he would probably quit crime. Probably 80% of Batman’s enemies would either be shot, or quit due to lack of challenge, but some of the smarter ones would take down punisher.
    Would Gotham City welcome their new hero?- Probably some of the people on the street, but not the cops of government.
    Would he have any sidekicks?- I really doubt it.
    What else might occur?- I think the cops would go pretty full force after him, and eventually call in some other DC heroes, which would end up in Punisher’s death.

  47. Amm0vamp1r3 January 29, 2013 at 12:30 pm -      #47

    May not work anymore but Frank has got time so he would eventually put him down.

    Batmans only people that may give him problems,would still get killed though,would probably be. Riddler………Yea thats all i can think off the rest are just physical fighters.

    And Frank has had his run in with super heros,and Has taken alot of them on. Even a superman type,and he could/would learn about superman so he wouldn’t really be any trouble. Kryptonite bullet,may kryptonite coated knife.

  48. Professor ParaLowk January 29, 2013 at 12:59 pm -      #48

    “May not work anymore but Frank has got time so he would eventually put him down.”

    And Deathstroke is just going to sit idly by twiddling his thumbs as someone looks to find way to kill him?
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    “Batmans only people that may give him problems,would still get killed though,would probably be. Riddler………Yea thats all i can think off the rest are just physical fighters.”

    Deathstroke is in the same league as Batman. Except he is willing to kill his targets.
    He’s basically Frank except Deathstroke is enhanced to be smarter, stronger, and faster.

  49. Amm0vamp1r3 January 29, 2013 at 1:05 pm -      #49

    I didn’t say that but to my knowledge he wasn’t the type to hunt batman to his lair and kick his ass. Which would give Punisher time, If the first time he failed, to get info on him however he wanted to do this. Be it justice League data base,Youtube or The Police profiles.

    Punisher has fought,Smarter,Stronger and faster people before and with prep time has taken them out. Some being heros and some being villians

  50. Professor ParaLowk January 29, 2013 at 2:01 pm -      #50

    “I didn’t say that but to my knowledge he wasn’t the type to hunt batman to his lair and kick his ass.”

    Deathstroke is an assassin. He goes after whoever is his target. He is like Frank except he doesn’t just target badguys.
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    “Which would give Punisher time, If the first time he failed, to get info on him however he wanted to do this.”

    DS is capable of doing this as well. The man is a smart spy/solider/assassin/master strategist.
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    “Punisher has fought,Smarter,Stronger and faster people before and with prep time has taken them out. Some being heros and some being villians”

    DS takes on people more powerful then him as well. Also prep for Frank is prep for Slade. it doesn’t work one way.
    Guy throws a sub at him
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    DS survives that, the guy trying to drown him and comes up with a plan
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    Also DS not that bad of a sniper himself. Note that he’s on the castle ways in the background of the first scan
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    Like I said DS is like Frank. The only difference is in alignement + he is physically/mentally metahuman, wears armor, and has a healing factor. Which is what gives him the edge.
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    “Even a superman type,and he could/would learn about superman so he wouldn’t really be any trouble. Kryptonite bullet,may kryptonite coated knife.”

    Please tell me you aren’t seriously saying Punisher is going to take down the guy who could freeze him or burn everything he owns from the comfort of a cloud before he could think? Plus I don’t think K-nite is as common in New52 yet. Most of it is already in use.

    On top of that Sentry was about to destroy Punisher if he hadn’t lured him away with a false trick that wouldn’t work on a guy with x-ray vision.

  51. Amm0vamp1r3 January 30, 2013 at 1:38 pm -      #51

    Yea Like I said he isn’t the Type to just sit hunt to to you lair and kick your ass.
    =
    Yea I know he is smart and super human. So is Wolverine,So is Spiderman,So is daredevel and So is deadpool. He has beat most if not all of these people

    As we know the punisher is a great sniper also,and he has great weapons. Harry Osborn would be dead if not for Sentry

    And his range of weapons,from skrull weapons to the green goblins glider etc etc

    The amount PIS/CIS,Plot device etc etc in comics lead me to believe There is some convoluted way the punisher could take him down.He being super man in this scenario.Now if he gets sent to gotham and all PIS/CIS is off then yea superman would toast him before he got out the combat van

    See above for my answer to the last comment

  52. Amm0vamp1r3 January 30, 2013 at 2:45 pm -      #52

    Now Im not saying or trying to imply that doing batmans job would be easy for frank. No not at all but his diffrenet approach and different arsnal would make somethings easier and somethings harder

    And everyone he kills he will more than likely get something from them/ Like the joker for example he just got some new laugh gas bombs because he didn’t do the “chase and talk” game he did the ” I want to tell you a story,Head shot” game

  53. ReDruM January 30, 2013 at 2:46 pm -      #53

    “Won’t work anymore.”

    So DS can sense a bullet coming from 7 miles away now?

    And if that does’t work Punisher still has plenty of goodies to use like Patriot’s Glove and other weapons from his treasure trove of stolen advanced weaponry.

    “Please tell me you aren’t seriously saying Punisher is going to take down the guy who could freeze him or burn everything he owns from the comfort of a cloud before he could think? Plus I don’t think K-nite is as common in New52 yet. Most of it is already in use.”

    That’s not Superman’s MO. Never has been.

    Punisher once again beats him. He has shot people with faster reaction speed then DS and has better weapons then him both Alien and from the future.

  54. Sauroposeidon January 30, 2013 at 3:30 pm -      #54

    Pamela and Harley take him with relative ease, sadly.
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    I don’t see how he’ll defeat Mr.Freeze or Clayface if he manages to track either of them down.
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    I don’t think either Joker or Riddler would bother trying with him. Masked killers are a dime a dozen in Gotham.
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    Penguin might buy the farm.
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    Royal Flush game might too.
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    Talia and her Daddy seem out of Punisher’s league.
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    Catwoman I see never being caught. He’d have to be remarkably lucky and be willing to shoot a woman who’s a petty thief as opposed to a drug dealer or murderer. It’d literally be as hard as tracking Batman down himself.
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    Manbat I think will fuck Frank up, but probably die.
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    Killer Croc will probably kill him in a brawl, but he may be forced to retire from the wounds he sustains. We’ve all seen Frank get his ass kicked by a certain oversized russian, and it took a fat guy to suffocate him.
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    Killer Croc’s nemesis, Bane, will probably kill Frank too. These are both characters who kill for a living and have to fend for their lives every day. If they can’t kill each other, I fail to see how Frank will. Although with luck he could take down Bane. With luck. A loooot of luck.
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    The various big name gangs and mafia families, like the Falcone family, will probably begin to get wiped out and played against each other. Only after the under world is dealt a serious blow by Castle will he start to have to deal with Batman’s rogues gallery.

    There’s also Death Stroke.. which everyone has mentioned is basically evil Castle but better in every way. Like Bane and Killer Croc, he’s simply a tier too high for The Punisher to handle. Frank’s intelligence and cleverness are literally plot oriented, so he might be able to think on the same level as these guys.. but when the story calls for it, he’s also monumentally dumb, especially if he’s meant to lose (I hate to mention such an awful series, but Marvel Zombies is a perfect example, where he goes down against normal zombies with out hardly putting up a fight). So we have to look at his physical abilities and his armaments.
    .
    There’s opponents who are even more dangerous than Death Stroke. I’d venture to say foes such as Solomon Grundy (if Ivy gets a hold of him ala DCUO) or Brother Eye are utterly undefeatable in any fashion by The Punisher. He simply doesn’t have the resources to deal with this level of crap.

  55. Amm0vamp1r3 January 30, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #55

    I dont know pamela but Harley Quinn? He has fought people just like her what makes her so special?

    Like ReD said,Clayface a flamethrower or a deep freezer.Mrs Freeze can get some napalm or something.

    Joker would be intrigued i would think,riddler maybe not

    Talia and Ras al ghul, maybe but he has fought assassins and was the head of a group once if i remember right

    He has fought people like catwomen,black widow being one

    Croc,I dont know he has fucked up The Rhino before

    Bane would be a problem probably like the russian

    He has held is own against alot of people who were supposed to stop him same like batman,with prep time” he took daredevil,spidy and wolverine,at the same time.

    poison ivy i cant speak on because i dont know her like that,Grundy changes each time he reincarnates and I dont know brother eye

  56. Sauroposeidon January 30, 2013 at 4:21 pm -      #56

    “I dont know pamela but Harley Quinn? He has fought people just like her what makes her so special?”

    Pamela is Poison Ivy, and her MO often includes playing the role of damsel in distress. Combined with Harley they’re a difficult duo to stop. I don’t see Frank realizing that it wasn’t a rape he just stopped before he’s just another one of her pawns.

    “Like ReD said,Clayface a flamethrower or a deep freezer.Mrs Freeze can get some napalm or something.”

    Freeze would freeze the napalm, and what’s frank going to do? Flame thrower each person til he finds Clayface? He’d have to have it on him when he finally has the unfortunate luck of fighting him. Both of these characters are too well armed for him to live against. Freeze has a record of killing people on the spot just like Frank. He doesn’t even have to land a fatal blow with his gun to bring Castle down.

    Brother Eye is one of Batman’s low points.. Here is some copy pasta.

    The OMACs are cyborgs who take over human bodies via a virus in order to assassinate any and all beings with superpowers. The virus was created from Brainiac-13-derived nanotechnology acquired by the U.S. Department of Defense and Lexcorp, which was then secretly introduced into general vaccine supplies. The OMACs are featured in the mini-series The OMAC Project that leads up to the Infinite Crisis series.
    .
    [edit]Brother MK I
    .
    The new OMACs are controlled by the Brother MK I satellite. Brother MK I was created by Batman and programmed by Pseudopersons, Inc. scientist Buddy Blank, who in this retelling of the story is a partner of Wayne Industries.[1] Its purpose was to keep an eye on all metahumans, both villain and hero, after Batman grew distrustful after discovering the Justice League altered his memories following an altercation with Doctor Light years earlier. (see Identity Crisis). Alexander Luthor, Jr. later gave the satellite sentience as part of his plans. Maxwell Lord subverted the original mission of the Brother MK I satellite by inculcating a fear and suspicion of all metahumans when he rose to the top rank of the government agency Checkmate. The first test subject activated shared his name with his “father” and his alternate version, both being called Buddy Blank.[2]
    .
    However, the OMACs’ history may be more recent than Brother MK I’s itself. Equus and Pilates, formerly featured in Superman: For Tomorrow, are later denounced as supposed former iterations of the OMAC concept; and in JLA: Classified an all mechanic OMAC is featured as an enemy for the Metal Men. Since then, the design has improved to the current form, with little to no changes to the base model.
    .
    [edit]Brother Eye
    .
    When Maxwell Lord brainwashed Superman to kill Batman, Wonder Woman, and possibly the rest of the JLA, Wonder Woman broke Lord’s neck to free Superman from his control. Because Lord proffered this solution while held by her Lasso of Truth, Diana believed this was the only course of action possible; she was fiercely criticized from many quarters.
    .
    Brother MK I, rechristening itself Brother Eye, initiated the “KingIsDead” protocol. Specifically designed to be used in the event of Lord’s death, it ordered all of the OMACs (all 1,373,462 of them) to attack and kill all the metahumans on Earth. A group superhero effort stopped the attack, using an EMP blast as well as a “Shut Down” command given by Sasha Bordeaux, who had become a third-generation cyborg linked to Brother Eye, now designated Blacknight 1. These measures effectively freed the majority of the OMAC hosts from their nanotech forms and reduced the number of OMACs to roughly 200,000.

    MORE Copy Pasta, detailing their abilities and weaknesses

    Powers and abilities concerning Brother Eye’s OMAC drones/

    Brother Eye can activate the OMAC virus in any infected person, at any time, within planetary range. Once activated, the person is covered in cybernetic armor and becomes a thrall to Brother Eye’s commands.
    An OMAC unit has access to archives on almost every metahuman on file, and can simulate the powers of a variety of superheroes and supervillains in order to target its opponent’s weaknesses. Among the powers displayed were the ability to fly, shoot fire, project needles of artificial cellulose (against Alan Scott; an approximation of his weakness to wood), dispense flame-retarding foam, and fire various energy beams from its eye and hands with caustic, concussive, or blinding effects. In addition, the OMAC unit can morph its extremities into blades and pincers. It once simulated Shazam’s lightning power and forced Mary Marvel to revert to her human form. It can disable the Eradicator effortlessly.
    The only weakness an OMAC has is that they are human beneath their shells (which was meant as a deterrent to heroes using lethal force against them). Other than that, the OMACs are dependent on their assessment of individual heroes. When fighting multiple opponents, they require a few seconds to adapt their countermeasures for each hero. Atom Smasher was able to stop an OMAC that was attacking the JSA by stomping it before it could assess his threat level. OMACs are also very vulnerable to Mister Terrific, as he cannot be detected by technology.

    This is all taken from this website.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMAC_(comics)

    I don’t own the comics involving Brother Eye, but we can infer from what it does and what it takes to bring it down how dangerous it would be for Frank. At the end of the day.. he might end up being an OMAC himself if Brother Eye decides to take action.

  57. Amm0vamp1r3 January 30, 2013 at 4:33 pm -      #57

    Yea now i remember brother eye,yea i dont know if frank could handle that

    And if he wanted to stop a rape he would shoot the rapist nothing flashy,not hey let me help you. BANG! go home.

    Clay face is an actor but he does turn into his clay form.And thay would lead to him being torched,frozen,or dropped in water. whatever other PIS has lead to his down fall.

    Same for freeze,Napalm,Rocket,Sniper bullet,or some other trap

  58. Professor ParaLowk January 30, 2013 at 4:51 pm -      #58

    “Yea Like I said he isn’t the Type to just sit hunt to to you lair and kick your ass.”

    I just showed a scan where he tracked a guy to his house then sniped him while he was in his bathrobe.
    He also gotten arrested just to get to his target.
    He’s attacked a guy in a jet to get at him.
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    He’s perfectly fine with catching someone off guard while they aare home or planning something.
    ===
    “So DS can sense a bullet coming from 7 miles away now?”

    No that’s what his current armor is for
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    ===
    “That’s not Superman’s MO. Never has been.”

    Funny thing is I would have agreed with you as that was an exaggeration on my part until I saw this.
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    That said Supes is still known to use heat vision or super breath from afar to either subdue or disarm people or destroy there stuff.
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    media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/102264/2682005-superman_zone_015.jpg

    Either one is allow it take to either leave punisher helpless or defenseless. Not to mention the superspeed.
    ===
    “Punisher once again beats him. He has shot people with faster reaction speed then DS and has better weapons then him both Alien and from the future.”

    Doesn’t really mean much when deathstorkes got protection, regen, equal skill, equal prep, physically and mentally metahuman, and is just as likely to play dirty as Punisher is.

  59. Professor ParaLowk January 30, 2013 at 5:29 pm -      #59

    Frank and Red Hood/outlaws team might team up sometimes. Maybe Red’s history with the the other heroes might help keep Frank from getting on the rest of the heroes bad side. Like it did with Superman.

  60. Amm0vamp1r3 January 30, 2013 at 5:53 pm -      #60

    I meant unless he is paid he wont just bust in the front door,if he is paid then the gloves are off. Kind of like deadpool. Who he has taken on many times.

    Yea I have no doubt some of the heros,mainly superman will be a problem,But once Kryptonite gets into the story. And Punisher is known to get stuff he needs. But He did recieve help to get some of the stuff.

    Like I said before punisher has fought people with protection (iron man),Regen(Deadpool and Wolverine) Equal if not greater skill ( DareDevil,Spiderman,Wolverine,Blade) Equal Prep ( Jigsaw and there are more but im drawing a blank besides all the traps he has walked into) MetaHuman (see above along side more people) and People who play dirty or dirtier than him ( Barracuda,Jigsaw,wolverin,Deadpool,The Russian,and all the mobs and thugs he has fought)

  61. Professor ParaLowk January 30, 2013 at 6:53 pm -      #61

    “I meant unless he is paid he wont just bust in the front door,if he is paid then the gloves are off. Kind of like deadpool. Who he has taken on many times.”

    Given Punishers MO chances are he’s going to both get the crime families into wanting DS and DS interested in taking him on.
    ===
    “Like I said before punisher has fought people with protection (iron man)”

    When? Because IM has the tools to strip Punisher of weapons, trap him in a force field, and/or blast him from long range without having to worry about killing him. Nothing short of PIS should allow him to win against IM.
    ===
    “Regen(Deadpool and Wolverine)”

    Deadpool doesn’t fight with a full deck wolverine doesn’t have ranged options. Neither wears armor in addition to there HF. Also Both have beaten him in a fight before.
    ===
    “Equal if not greater skill ( DareDevil,Spiderman,Wolverine,Blade)”

    All of which have been able to beat the shit out of him. Not to mention not have the combo of the mentioned stuff that DS has.
    ===
    “MetaHuman (see above along side more people)”

    Most tend to beat him requiring him to fight dirty in some sort of way which won’t work nearly as well since Slade is just as much of a bastard as Frank is.
    ===
    Franks best chance against Deathstroke is to somehow find away to keep DS’s from having to fight him, maybe something that would keep him out of Gotham. Maybe make sure no one ever manages tries get hire or get in contact with him in the first place. I’m not sure how willing Current Slade is to continue a contract if somehow it turns out he isn’t getting paid so maybe that would work.

  62. Professor ParaLowk January 30, 2013 at 7:01 pm -      #62

    *Or call in help… Has Frank ever called in help? I mean I know he’s ended up working with others but I don’t recall it being Frank actually calling in assistance.

  63. Amm0vamp1r3 January 30, 2013 at 7:08 pm -      #63

    Fair Point,he will be most wanted in no time

    Yea I think the iron man thing was PIS,I think it might have been just armor,He won via knife through eye slot.So yea PIS

    And he has beaten them in fights before,but other points are fair

    And he has beat the shit out of them

    Fair

    If know Punisher killing the marvel universe isnt canon or Marvel Universe vs The punisher isnt canon but I wish they were he had good feats in there.

    www.comicvine.com/punisher/29-1525/punisher-respect-thread/92-31541/?

    Punisher respect thread

    www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=390407&pagenumber=1

    Another one

    www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t478473.html

    And another one
    -

  64. Kyuuketsuki June 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm -      #64

    I want there to be a punisher game on the caliber of Arkham Asylum, Also I think Punisher would do rather well in the arkham games, they didn’t have any super crazy people in there

  65. TopaztheSpaz June 22, 2013 at 12:38 am -      #65

    I was going to bring up Poison Ivy, but Sauro beat me to it, and I dunno if she still has it but Harley did get her meta powers awakened not that they are super impressive. Crap super strength, and enhanced agility. Fun note even with Harley having super strength, Poison Ivy is still actually stronger than she is.

  66. Richard Rider is a Zombie July 8, 2013 at 1:08 pm -      #66

    Wouldn’t Punisher just nuke Gotham City?

  67. Watchdog Lowk July 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm -      #67

    “Wouldn’t Punisher just nuke Gotham City?”

    There are innocent people in gotham. So no.

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