Drizzt Do Urden Vs Sephiroth

Drizzt Do Urden Vs Sephiroth

A match that seems to favor Sephiroth, I think this would cause some trouble for both parties. While I would like to think Drizzt outs up an epic fight, in the end I think it would be too much for the Drow to overcome.

Your thoughts?

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73 Comments on "Drizzt Do Urden Vs Sephiroth"

  1. Thepocalypse March 13, 2009 at 11:59 am -      #1

    Drizzt is epic. I dislike D&D for having an unoriginal, but I read the Hunter’s Blade trilogy at the behest of a friend and couldn’t put it down, unfortunately, he’s nothing to Sephiroth. Only Cloud is a real match for him. BTW, anyone read my fanfic? ANYONE?!

  2. Battra Boy March 13, 2009 at 12:28 pm -      #2

    Doesn’t matter how good of a swordsman Drizzt is, hes got nothing on Sephiroth.

  3. Matapiojo March 13, 2009 at 1:17 pm -      #3

    @Thepocalypse

    Sorry I had missed your entry. I somehow didn’t get notice of a new post in that section. Go there for my reply.

    As for this match, I agree. Drizzt is one of the most interesting characters in modern fantasy literature, but Seph is on a whole different league than the Drow. The fight might be interesting untill Seph decides he has gotten bored of the affair.

    Drizzt gets ROFLSTOMPED!!!

  4. Thepocalypse March 13, 2009 at 5:45 pm -      #4

    “I dislike D&D for having an unoriginal,”
    I meant to say unoriginal setting. A tad too derivative, and I prefer Sci-Fi to fantasy. Especially sci-fi with mystical elements like Stargate and 40k.
    Part 2 of the fic is coming BTW.

  5. kano547 March 13, 2009 at 10:55 pm -      #5

    aw man this sucks, admin you have forced me to say one of my favorite book characters of all time (i own every drizzt book) would get stomped with little or no effort by a characters from the embodyment of my most hated collection of games :( .

    buy being a (somewhat ) honest person i have to say sep would win … violently

  6. Battra Boy March 14, 2009 at 6:07 am -      #6

    Final Fantasy is one of the most famous game series in the history of gaming…

  7. Matapiojo March 14, 2009 at 8:20 am -      #7

    BTW…

    Stargate FTW!

  8. L-W March 14, 2009 at 9:21 am -      #8

    “Final Fantasy is one of the most famous game series in the history of gaming…”

    And one of the most finely crafted also. Each game has stellar and absurdly grand production values (Back in the day, Final Fantasy VI was unbelievably epic despite it’s limitations) afforded by a team of artisans equatable to the likes of Valve, Konami or Nintendo. And whilst each game is superb in comparison to the standard RPG fare available, installments number VII, IX and X are some of the best games to ever grace the industry.

  9. kano547 March 14, 2009 at 6:02 pm -      #9

    does’nt mean i can’t hate it like poison.i love rpg’s but for some reason i just can’t stand ff

  10. Cpt Olimar March 14, 2009 at 10:33 pm -      #10

    not just is final fantasy notorious for great games, it is also famous for certain people LOVING some of their games, while others hate their games.
    For example there are people who adore ff X, but others who find it as a game that was “trying too hard” and failed, in terms of characters. But most people at least hold one game from the franchise dear to their gaming hearts :)

  11. cyborg pirate ninja jesus March 15, 2009 at 5:17 am -      #11

    i agree with capt olimar i hated ffx but i was basically in love with ff8 dont no at it was but something just grabbed me

  12. Onesidedfight March 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm -      #12

    Ff7 is the best game ever. I would buy the ps3 just for that game. Heck, I would buy 20 ps3s for ff7, and yet, they decied to make remakes of the bad ffs.

  13. El Zilcho March 16, 2009 at 1:43 am -      #13

    To be honest I’ve never really enjoyed the final fantasy franchise that much, but then again my experience is fairly limited. My FF experience consists of:
    – FF I & II, which I only played briefly because I never got into them.
    – FF VI, which I played till about half way (I got up to the bit where Kefka gives the world the screw over) before getting bored. I suppose I never really got what all the fuss about this game was, albeit I only played it last year, and have played plenty of other SNES RPGs so that might have something to do with it.
    – FF Tactics Advanced, a game which I love and adore, and is my favorite GBA game bar the remake of Breath of Fire II.
    – FF Advent Children, if I never have to sit through that again I will die a happy man.
    As you can see, fairly limited. If the new FF gets a good review though I might pick it up for 360. And being a Nintendo/Xbox owner might have something to do with my apathy towards the series.

    As for the fight, from what I’ve read of Drizzt, he gets his ass handed to him by Sephiroth.

  14. Matapiojo March 16, 2009 at 10:57 am -      #14

    They have nothign to do with one another, but My favorites are FF-VII and FF-Tactics Advanced (as well as its sequel). I also hold a special place for FF-VIII tho many hate that one, yet I cannot play FF-X more than 30 mins at a time.

    I still wish from the bottom of my heart that someone decides to do a straight remake of FF-VII. I would love to see the best FF game ever to make a re-appereance with beefed graphics.

    What I am trully hoping for is a Nintendo-DS re-launch (as it seems to be the trend). That would make me a very happy camper. As the new Phantasy Star Zero demonstrates, the device has more than enough graphic power to improve on the classic Play Station legend.

  15. kano547 March 16, 2009 at 7:25 pm -      #15

    no i hate every final fantasy game ever made and trust me i know ive tried them all looking for one i would like but for some reason i hate them and if i ever meet the guy who thouht up ff i will punch him in the neck

  16. L-W March 16, 2009 at 9:12 pm -      #16

    So you deliberately played every game in an RPG franchise (All twenty-eight of them – That’s impressive), only to zealously hate each individual game for no apparent or wholly logical reason beyond an estranged and most likely retarded generalization of a massive franchise that drives you to want to physically harm the original creators?

    It’s Nintendo and Squaresoft that should be punching you, not the other way around.

    “I still wish from the bottom of my heart that someone decides to do a straight remake of FF-VII. I would love to see the best FF game ever to make a re-appereance with beefed graphics.”

    You, me and the rest of the world must have creamed when this technical demo was released in 2006.

  17. Matapiojo March 16, 2009 at 10:34 pm -      #17

    Wait…

    wait…

    wait…

    I think I may have been in some temporal anomaly that allowed slip space to neglect to take me into account. Is this real?

    I mean, I know the point of technical demos, but is this something that Square is actually pursuing?

    That little piece is exactly what I’ve been waiting for years! I can already see the Weapon encounters…Ruby would butcher me yet again.

  18. L-W March 17, 2009 at 1:01 am -      #18

    Unfortunately this was only a technical demo solely for the purpose of drawing the considerable number of Final Fantasy fans to the PS3, no more, no less.

    Whilst I would love to see a FFVII remake, the effort alone to reproduce one of the most legendary games of all time would border on Herculean, but with such a high risk factor involved (A remake of FFVII could very well alienate masses of fans) I cannot fathom Square-Enix wanting to take that chance. Especially since they usually have two Final Fantasy games under production at any one time (FFXII was in post-production just as FFXIII was entering the production phase).

    Now I’m off to pull out my copy of FFVII and ogle at Tifa’s physiologically impossible and gravity defying form for the thousandth time.

  19. demongrave March 17, 2009 at 6:37 am -      #19

    I have some insight to the technical demo that will make all fans of the FF series to have a heart attack.

    Yes, the remake of FFVII for the PS3 is under production at the time, but it’s not scheduled to be released untill 2011. If any of you have questions about this I’m sorry that I don’t have any link to show the information, but you can trust what I say.

    On another point, I am proud to say that I am one of the few that have played all of the FF games all the way through and I enjoyed all of them for their oruginality and amazing gameplay ans story lines. The only ones I had a problems with are FFVIII and FFXII. FFVII only because of the magic system, other than that it’s awsome. FFXII because it is the hardest one they have ever made, and if no one has ever played a FF game chose any other one but FFXII just for the reason that’s it’s so difficult compared to the others of the franchise.

    O and Sephiroth wins, no contest.

  20. L-W March 17, 2009 at 9:44 am -      #20

    “Unveiled on May 16, 2005 during Sony Computer Entertainment’s E3 press conference, the Final Fantasy VII: Technical Demo for PS3 was shown to the 2000 press members in attendance to confirm Square Enix’s development for the PlayStation 3. Recreating the entire intro of the original PSOne classic, the demo was created in real time and featured classic heroes Cloud Strife and Aeris Gainsborough. Unfortunately for Final Fantasy fans all over the world, Square Enix President Yoichi Wada stated after the demo’s airing that it was meant for display purposes only and was not proof of an actual remake of the original game.”

    -http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169128

    Square-Enix have repeatedly stated that they have no interest in remaking FFVII at any point in the near future. Considering FFXIII is nearing release, Versus is still on their shelves and other installments of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Parasite Eve and Sigma Harmonics are already slated for production, it is physically impossible for Square-Enix to produce a fully-fledged remake of FFVII by 2011. Especially since it took a whopping four years and the near total commitment of Squaresoft (Plus $30 million) just to produce the original, how long do you propose that a complete re-structuring of the game, from top to bottom, would take them?

    Nope, a remake is not coming our way, unless you could provide proof, or at least a valid source to back your claims?

  21. Wraith March 17, 2009 at 10:05 am -      #21

    yeah, I’m a huge Drizzt Fan. but I have to give this one to Sephiroth.

    reason one: Master Swordsman, and Extremely gifted Magic user.
    reason two: It took Cloud AND his whole team to bring him down, and even then it relied more on luck than skill
    Reason three: Drizz’t cant fly. Sephiroth can. and he doesnt have to come down.

  22. kano547 March 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm -      #22

    well ive played twenty-something of the ff series i own a few, rented them, played demos at gamestops, but i think the problem for me is my older brother had the original and the suck of that one has stained my mind against all of them

  23. kano547 March 17, 2009 at 6:00 pm -      #23

    if it was all of the companions of the hall he might have a chance,and the battle would go in my mind like this. drizzt and bruenor attack seph,so he flies away thinking to just kill them with magic from the safety of the air, wulfgar throws his hammer, and catti-brie shoot at him with her magic arrows, and between the giant magic hammer and the arrows that can go through solid stone seph would be forced to the ground, where regis would use his hypnotic ruby to keep him still, then the giant panther knocks him down while he’s not looking then drizzt cut’s sephs throat.at least thats how i think it would go down , im having trouble finding any good info on sephiroth

  24. demongrave March 18, 2009 at 6:33 am -      #24

    Well my information comes from a non-readable source so I can’t show you it. And 2011 is the year their hoping for, and it’s also the year that Sony hopes it will be released also. I’ve heard, and read all of Square Enix’s accounts about it not being remade, but there are many inside that company that still speak about it. Also since Square Enix is making a new headquarters in Texas soon then their production time will be cut in half and they’ll be able to place more products into production, that’s what their hoping for. So all in all with Sony still pushing Square Enix to remake it, along with millions of fans of the franchise, plus members of Square Enix’s production teams, the probability of them remaking the greatest installment of the FF franchise is really high. Plus it is led to beleive that all of the accounts where Square Enix says that they won’t remake FFVII is to make it more exciting for when they do announce the production of the remake.

  25. L-W March 18, 2009 at 8:45 am -      #25

    So no source then? I’m (We’re) supposed to take this seriously, despite S-E vehemently denying production and lacking both the interest and the time (Even with an off-shore company, productions still take just as long, manpower is not the issue here) to include a costly and financially risky remake in their already packed schedule?

    Given the time frame of the average production, plus the inherent difficulties associated with the introduction of a next generation system (It took FFX an extra year just to tweak the programming difficulties associated with the PS2), S-E would have to have started production two years ago to even begin accommodating a 2011 release. Heck, to even manage a release for 2011, those staff members (Hearsay and conjecture do not, a sixty million budget make) would already be within the programming stages of a multi-million dollar remake, with news of casting sessions, international dubbing, copyright holding and Beta programs easily reaching the public domain regardless of whether or not S-E has placed a strict PR blanket (Why would they do that for one of the biggest remakes in history?) on their activities. Even if there was sufficient interest, to reach a practical stage would require a discontinuation of the forthcoming series titles and any other installment of other Square titles that we already *know* are planned for production.

    I smell what can only be described as ripe fecal matter here, either that or wishful thinking that has sat in the sun for too long.

  26. demongrave March 20, 2009 at 6:37 am -      #26

    You put up a good argument, and what you say makes perfect sense. But think of it from this point of veiw. If S-E is in the process of a remake, but they are worried about the project failing (even though just the title promises great sucess) they would keep it hidden so as not to anger their fans if they decide to cut the project. That is one of the main things that they worry about, mostly because they fear losing fans of the franchise through that type of mistake. Also if they kept the remake under wraps then, as I said before, if it’s relesed then the title will be received with overwhelming numbers of sales in the first week (probably more than the original). It’s all basic sales practices really. O and I wouldn’t lie about something this awsome, especially since it’s my #1 favorite game of all time. Also my information, as I said before, is real, but is not in a written or typed form. It was gathered through verbal interaction, so the only way I could show you is to type up the conversation. O, and 2011 is just the date that Sony is hoping for, and that would be the best date for a release.

  27. L-W March 20, 2009 at 11:52 pm -      #27

    Not advertising this project (Not that it needs to be advertised, this news would leak faster than the radiator in my 1970 Sedan) with an estimated release date of 2011 would be a huge financial and PR burden for S-E. Not only would the project already be too far in development to pull the plug, but the publicity screen would be so exponential and expensive it would be impractical, unfeasible and near impossible to maintain without a ludicrous budget associated with the project.

    Do you honestly propose that over $30 million in funding could suddenly change hands, sink into an “unknown” development project and not have the industry, neigh the entire market sniffing at the rear ends of S-E. I’m sorry, but discussing sales practices under this amateurish pretext of a hidden release date is just sad.

    I’ll just leave this as a warning for others, if you choose to believe this tripe due to some delusional waning belief that they’ll remake one game from a series that has already received almost disastrous reception from in it’s attempts to re-explore the depicted universe (The compilation of Final Fantasy VII metaseries received lukewarm response – At best), expect to be severely disappointed.

    As for me, I’ve decided it would be foolish to even continue a debate with a person who verifies their sources as the word of mouth based conjecture garnered from a second – No, a third hand source that is conveniently enough inconspicuous to documentation, annotation or even quotability for that matter.

  28. Zero April 5, 2009 at 9:12 am -      #28

    Drizzt is a drow mind you, which can live for 700yrs or longer. I say Drizzt would put sephiroth down. Globe of darkness then instant kill.

  29. Preston April 8, 2009 at 4:07 am -      #29

    Sephiroth wins in my opinion becuase sephiroth is challenging in all games he appeared in. Drizzt in baldurs gate is such a cool character but personaly i like sephi alot more

  30. Jack Yoder April 15, 2009 at 3:16 am -      #30

    I have to say even with the ganging up on Sephiroth he would win, even if he thought Drizzt and his teammates were worth flying into the air, arrows and a hammer are insignificant to him, simply fire would dispatch arrows and if there were alot of arrows at once firaga, also he can call a meteor and without anyone casting holy what is anyone going to do about it.

  31. D3-6T6 April 24, 2009 at 1:34 am -      #31

    Many of you are idiots. The post is about sword fighting and who is the better warrior (no magic). All you final fantasy fanboys should do some research before claiming seph would be the better swordsman as i can assure you he would not be. I have read all of the Drizzt novels AND have played FF7 twice through. For those of you who do not read the drizzt series or may have read one or two… here is a bit of Drizzt history. He grew up in a place called the “Underdark” where there is NO light at all thus making all of Drizzts other senses and instinct so much better. I would love to see how seph fought with no lights. as for the moron above speaking about casting Holy and Firaga gimme a damn break. Both characters are in two different worlds and two different types of magic. And Bottom line : Drizzt is still alive in his series Battling the likes of Artemis Entreri, Jarlaxle, Demons, Dragons anything you can imagine in his world. SEPH IS DEAD by cloud and friends.

  32. Space marine April 24, 2009 at 4:11 am -      #32

    “Many of you are idiots. The post is about sword fighting and who is the better warrior (no magic).”

    And who is the guy who needs to learn something about BankGambling before blowing Fanboy packed explosive’s?

  33. kick your ass April 24, 2009 at 8:09 am -      #33

    sephiroth would kick all yalls asses, shutup

  34. Thepocalypse April 24, 2009 at 9:51 am -      #34

    “sephiroth would kick all yalls asses, shutup”
    Yeah! All yalls punkass homies bettah shutup yo mouths!

    Save it for Halo 3 matchmaking kid.

  35. kano547 April 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm -      #35

    @D3-6T6

    for one could’nt you have come up with a better starwars reference?

    ” For those of you who do not read the drizzt series or may have read one or two”
    i have painstakingly tracked down every drizzt book and read them all in fact the only ones i havent read are the pirate king and the ghost king because they are not out yet.just so as you know that i know what im talking about.

    “He grew up in a place called the “Underdark” where there is NO light at all thus making all of Drizzts other senses and instinct so much better.” wrong.while its true there is no light in the underdark his race has evolved infared vision so they can see body heat.but if he were ever to go outside in the daytime with heat vision his eyes will melt from the blinding heat from the sun.sep would never be dumb enough to go underground to fight him anyway.

    “I would love to see how seph fought with no lights” he has trained in fighting for i dont know how long but im betting hes trained in the dark and the people who created him and cloud probably thought of what would happen if a bad guy hit the light switch so while i have no evidence im beting sep has night vision or something too

    “Drizzt is still alive in his series Battling the likes of Artemis Entreri, Jarlaxle, Demons, Dragons ” yes he is the best melee fighter in the forgotten realms universe so entreri and jarlaxle are no match for drizzt.the demons yes he has killed many demons but they were pretty weak comparativley and the only strong demon he ever fought was too cocky and didnt know drizzt had a sword that ate fire the first time they fought and they second time it took a suprise attack from wulgar to distract him so the elf could stab him and he never fought the dragon he outsmarted him and then ran away.

    sep could probably take on all the monsters drizt has ever fought all on his own and come out on top .on top a pile of corpses

  36. epicfailpancakes May 1, 2009 at 5:44 pm -      #36

    @kano547

    Bullshit Drizzt never fought a dragon. He and Wulfgar fought the white dragon Icingdeath and killed him. That is where Drizzt got his black scimitar, that he named Icingdeath, that is enchanted with ice magic. So up yours kano.

    Oh and about the fight
    I don’t know anything about Sephiroth so i can’t say, but i bet it would be an amazing fight none the less.

  37. cyborg pirate ninja jesus May 20, 2009 at 9:25 am -      #37

    ok they go to fight….since drizzt ca see above ground he goes under…..then sephiroth drops a meteors on him…the end

  38. AHEM November 3, 2009 at 12:41 am -      #38

    I’m afraid Drizzt isn’t walking away with this one. I don’t quite buy that Sephiroth is really godlike(“God” should have a bit more weight behind it then, “quite powerful video game character”), but he is definitely at a higher level than the Drow. Superhuman abilities and lots and lots of magic. I’d like to say that Drizzt, Wulfgar, Catti-brie, and Bruenor ganging up on Seph could take him down, but in this specific match, it will only end with Drizzt’s defeat, unfortunately.

  39. Ein January 29, 2010 at 8:34 pm -      #39

    I think this would be a VERY close tie
    Drizzt is really fast, even more so because he has enchanted anklets, he’s got his darkness(which may not work that well on Seph), Guen is there to help, and his left scimitar(twinkle) gives him a greater ability to block with it.
    Then again, Sephiroth is an outright bada** so he would inflict his share of wounds on Drizzt. so they both would be seriously wounded, leaning more in the favor of Seph, so yea…Sad face for Drizzt

  40. Twams August 13, 2010 at 9:52 pm -      #40

    Drizzt is a better sword fighter. His speed and ability to think ahead in a fight would easily overwhelm Sephiroth’s flashy slashes. I love both characters, and I know that sephiroth is insanely crazy and evil, but they would honor the fight, and fight alone using only their swords.

  41. purentropy October 7, 2010 at 7:12 pm -      #41

    “yeah, I’m a huge Drizzt Fan. but I have to give this one to Sephiroth.

    reason one: Master Swordsman, and Extremely gifted Magic user.”
    The drow are incredibly well known for being masters in the art of swordplay and spellcasting. The males, particularly, are renown for their skill. They are feared immensely.

    “reason two: It took Cloud AND his whole team to bring him down, and even then it relied more on luck than skill”
    If you’re talking about the end of FFVII, Bizarro and Safer Sephiroth were both illusions created by JENOVA. The real Sephiroth only appears after Safer is destroyed, and Cloud takes him down singlehandedly.

    If you’re talking about FFVII:AC, that was all Cloud as well.

    “Reason three: Drizz’t cant fly. Sephiroth can. and he doesnt have to come down.”
    Drizzt has the drow racial skill of levitation.

    That said, Sephiroth is overrated. In a straight sword fight, I’d give this one to Drizzt.

  42. Lowk October 7, 2010 at 8:22 pm -      #42

    Well in a straight swordfight drizzt would still be fighting some who has shown the strength to cut through part of building with ease and the ability to teleport. Though the teleporting could be him moving quickly.

  43. purentropy October 8, 2010 at 5:58 am -      #43

    Weeell, cutting through a building involves Sephiroth slicing apart a stationary object that can’t fight back. The building only falls apart because Sephiroth makes contact with it.

    It’s like a guy who can punch through brick. I understand he’d probably kill me if he punched me, but he has to punch me first.

  44. EMOboy October 8, 2010 at 6:42 am -      #44

    ” I would love to see how seph fought with no lights. as for the moron above speaking about casting Holy and Firaga gimme a damn break. Both characters are in two different worlds and two different types of magic. And Bottom line : Drizzt is still alive in his series Battling the likes of Artemis Entreri, Jarlaxle, Demons, Dragons anything you can imagine in his world. SEPH IS DEAD by cloud and friends.”

    Drizzt would like holy as he is a good guy lol, and fire does jack shit to him cos of icingdeath making him immune to it.

    Blade to blade drizzt takes it but with all the magic the other guy likely has if he is the usual FF setup drizzt just gets blasted by a wierd spell (not fire).

  45. drizzt101 November 26, 2010 at 11:20 pm -      #45

    scince all of u r as clueless as they come heres the facts sepheroiths abilities come from materia take them away as useless as u get
    then their is drizzts alies abilities he has that require nothing there is his magical artifacts and if in the underdark sephroth is blind and even if u blinded drizzt he is skilled in fighting that way he is many years more expierienced he has much greater speed and matched by a handful
    sephroith wouldnt even have time to turn before the drow was done with him MAYBE genesis

  46. CIDE November 27, 2010 at 3:06 am -      #46

    “scince all of u r as clueless as they come heres the facts sepheroiths abilities come from materia take them away as useless as u get”

    Sephiroth didn’t even own materia in any of the boss fights and still had all of his spells and abilities available. I really don’t feel like pulling up the audio-books that were done up that shows what Sephiroth owns still but I can if need. Or you can just jump to Vader Vs Sephiroth and see the links I posted.

    “then their is drizzts alies abilities he has that require nothing there is his magical artifacts and if in the underdark sephroth is blind and even if u blinded drizzt he is skilled in fighting that way he is many years more expierienced he has much greater speed and matched by a handful”

    Not only does the fight take place in a neutral battlefiled (NOT the underdark) Sephiroth is a powerful psychic and has a slew of abilities to light up the area; even if it means just immolating everything. Which, by the way, he’d be immune to.

    If you want to touch on speed then bring in proof that Drizzt can dodge bullets. Until then he is leagues below Sephiroth in speed.

    “sephroith wouldnt even have time to turn before the drow was done with him MAYBE genesis”

    See above. Though I’m not sure what Genesis–who is also considerably weaker than Sephiroth– was even brought up.

  47. Twams November 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm -      #47

    “If you want to touch on speed then bring in proof that Drizzt can dodge bullets. Until then he is leagues below Sephiroth in speed.”

    Drizzt is leagues below Sephiroth in speed? Where do you get this information? It’s as if you haven’t read the books. Sephiroth really isn’t that quick. He moves in bursts (almost as if the weight of his sword is the only thing moving him), but when it comes to regular movements or spells, he’s average. Drizzt is a drow elf. The gifts of his heritage alone could beat Sephiroth’s speed easily. In addition to his natural swiftness, he has Berginyon’s bracers that increase his movement speed considerably. Then there’s the hunter. If Drizzt got into hunter mode during the battle, I don’t think sephiroth stands a chance
    Why would Drizzt need to dodge bullets? His reflexes and eyesight would allow him to simply bat them away with his scimitars.

    Then there’s Cloud. If Cloud were in a separate game from Sephiroth, and someone posted a “Cloud vs. Sephiroth” thread, no one would expect cloud to win.

  48. CIDE November 27, 2010 at 6:23 pm -      #48

    “He moves in bursts (almost as if the weight of his sword is the only thing moving him), but when it comes to regular movements or spells, he’s average”

    Evidence points to the contrary. Majority of the time he’s exerting almost no effort in a fight. It is easy to come to the conlusion you did based on that.

    “The gifts of his heritage alone could beat Sephiroth’s speed easily”

    Prove it.

    “In addition to his natural swiftness, he has Berginyon’s bracers that increase his movement speed considerably.”

    Okay, how much? You have numbers?

    “Then there’s the hunter. If Drizzt got into hunter mode during the battle, I don’t think sephiroth stands a chance”

    Based on…?

    “Why would Drizzt need to dodge bullets? His reflexes and eyesight would allow him to simply bat them away with his scimitars.”

    Speculation. Prove it. Has he been shown dodging/deflecting anything as fast or faster than bullets?

    “Then there’s Cloud. If Cloud were in a separate game from Sephiroth, and someone posted a “Cloud vs. Sephiroth” thread, no one would expect cloud to win.”

    You’re right. PIS and CIS (on Seph’s part)allowed Cloud a victory. The CIS being the fact that Sephiroth was purposely toying with Cloud to prolong the battle and cause as much pain as possible to Cloud. Unless of course we go off of his materia potential from FFVII’s main gameplay; at which point Cloud is nigh-unstoppable.

  49. Fang November 27, 2010 at 7:58 pm -      #49

    Srry guys, I hate to say it cuz I’m a huge drizzt fan, but seph’s got this. All he would have to do is fly up and throw things (namely his big*ss sword) at drizzt til he scored a hit, not includong his other varous abilities. And don’t pull some bull like “herk herk drizzt can levitate” cuz he lost that ability soon after leaving the underdark

  50. Twams November 28, 2010 at 6:24 am -      #50

    You talk as if you have a mountain of evidence before you. The only references of Sephiroth’s real time fights that you can draw upon are the two high definition cut scenes in crisis core and advent children.

    Elves are naturally swifter than humans, though I suppose Sephiroth’s genes and skill make him just as swift.

    You keep asking me to prove it, and that what I say is speculation o_o
    The evidence is right in front of you. I took the time to watch the cut scenes before stating my thoughts. You appear as if you have never read a single book of Drizzt.

    Salvatore mentions over a million times that Drizzt can draw his sword in the blink of an eye.

    In the books, when Drizzt goes into hunter mode, It is shown that his swordplay becomes swifter, more offensive and more furious than it had been before, depending on the battle. Though I admit, Sephiroth is rarely serious in a battle (Visibly at least), which would mean he most likely has a more desperate fighting style as well.

    Fine…I admit that it’s speculation that Drizzt could deflect a projectile as fast as a bullet, but it’s not as if Sephiroth will be shooting him, or as if Sephiroth could deflect a bullet (He hasn’t deflected a bullet, has he?) If Sephiroth used firaga, Drizzt’s sword Icing Death would simply absorb it.

    I’m not sure you can base Sephiroth’s (or Cloud’s for that matter) fighting style on gameplay. There are varying strategies players use to beat difficult obstacles. One of the more common strategies is spamming a cheap technique over and over again.

    Salvatore commonly writes “With his magically enhanced anklets, a few quick strides brought Drizzt to (Insert destination) in seconds” I have no numbers, but it is quite obvious that Drizzt’s speed is enhanced quite a bit by the bracers.

    I’m not sure if I’m right, for it’s hard to imagine a battle against a seldom serious CGI sprite and a fantasy book character, I just think we shouldn’t be so quick to hand Sephiroth the victory.

  51. galorian November 28, 2010 at 7:40 am -      #51

    Drizzt is nowhere near a bullet timer. Most of the time when faced with arrows and crossbow bolts he spins so they’ll get entangled in his cloak (which is enchanted, and therefore damage resistant). The only projectiles you ever see him deflect with his swords are knives and javelins.

    Drizzt is an awsome swordsman, but he’s nowhere near as fast of powerful as sephiroth.

  52. Zazax November 28, 2010 at 7:53 am -      #52

    “The only references of Sephiroth’s real time fights that you can draw upon are the two high definition cut scenes in crisis core and advent children.”
    Which is all we need. To my (moderately comprehensive) knowledge of D&D, there’s nothing except for maybe some particularly exotic magic that moves anywhere near as fast as a bullet. Sephiroth as just as fast if not faster than Cloud, and Cloud is easily a bullet-timer (in Advent CHildren, during his approach to the Forgotten City, he even dodges a bullet fired from a shooter he didn’t even know was there until after the shot was fired). Unless you have some extraordinaty evidence, Sephiroth remains (potentially way) faster than Drizzt.
    And this isn’t even going into his ability to teleport (shown in his fight versus Zack in the Nibleheim Reactor in Crisis Core).

    “Elves are naturally swifter than humans, though I suppose Sephiroth’s genes and skill make him just as swift.”
    This counts for nothing. Elves being faster than D&D humans doesn’t make them faster than all humans across all of fiction. Besides, not only is Sephiroth not human, he’s also a (sort of) natural bullet-timer.

    “Salvatore mentions over a million times that Drizzt can draw his sword in the blink of an eye.”
    Clearly someone is unfamiliar with the concept of hyperbole.

    “but it’s not as if Sephiroth will be shooting him”
    He doesn’t have a gun, no, but he’s got a number of ranged attacks.

    “or as if Sephiroth could deflect a bullet (He hasn’t deflected a bullet, has he?) ”
    He’s as fast or faster than Cloud, and Cloud has. Many times.

    “If Sephiroth used firaga, Drizzt’s sword Icing Death would simply absorb it.”
    He doesn’t just have this, you know. He has bolts of energy that can cut through steel without any resistance, he can teleport, and he can fly. If we take his boss forms into account, he can also petrify people, paralyze them, prevent them from using their magic, and has regenerative capabilities (he can regrow his head in Bizarro Form, for god’s sake).

    “I’m not sure you can base Sephiroth’s (or Cloud’s for that matter) fighting style on gameplay. There are varying strategies players use to beat difficult obstacles. One of the more common strategies is spamming a cheap technique over and over again.”
    That’s pretty much the definition of gameplay.

    “Salvatore commonly writes “With his magically enhanced anklets, a few quick strides brought Drizzt to (Insert destination) in seconds” I have no numbers, but it is quite obvious that Drizzt’s speed is enhanced quite a bit by the bracers.”
    Rendered moot by the bullet-timing and teleportation mentioned above.

    “I just think we shouldn’t be so quick to hand Sephiroth the victory.”
    Okay then, let’s take a step back.
    Sephiroth can teleport, rendering movement speed moot.
    He’s also a bullet-timer, meaning as it stands he’s got much faster reaction time than Drizzt (as well as the speed to actually move his sword fast enough to do so).
    He can fly, rendering any form of melee combat moot.
    He has access to a number of alternate ways to kill/incapacitate Drizzt (such as the aforementioned petrification).
    Just about any of his actual offensive moves will one-shot Drizzt. This is a man who can cut steel and concrete buildings in half with his sword, one-handed. Even *if* Drizzt is somehow able to parry such an attack (and not lose his swords in the process), it’ll probably liquefy every bone in his arms and collapse his entire torso. And before you say anything about Drizzt dodging such a blow, remember that he’s fighting a man who can move his sword fast anough to keep up with a man who can deflect bullets with his.
    And that’s not even getting into potential materia.
    Drizzt’s cool and all, but he’s way, way out of his league here.

  53. Blood Dancer November 28, 2010 at 8:06 am -      #53

    “Clearly someone is unfamiliar with the concept of hyperbole.”

    Many on this site do not and thus fail to interpret what the author means when uses such figures of speech. any thread involving Richard Rahl is a good example of that.

  54. Zazax November 28, 2010 at 8:09 am -      #54

    “Many on this site do not and thus fail to interpret what the author means when uses such figures of speech. any thread involving Richard Rahl is a good example of that.”
    Don’t I know it. I had a fairly cataclysmic argument with almost this exact same figure of speech against Mike on Cloud Strife vs Richard Rahl many moons ago, back when he first started invading Rahl threads. As far as I know it’s still unresolved.

  55. Blood Dancer November 28, 2010 at 8:16 am -      #55

    I don’t think catclysmic is the proper word. Any argument with Mike reaches cosmic proportions. He took extrapolation, conjecture and hyperboloization to unimaginable heights and levels that would both awe and shock halotards and xenites.

  56. CIDE November 28, 2010 at 8:35 am -      #56

    “The evidence is right in front of you. I took the time to watch the cut scenes before stating my thoughts. You appear as if you have never read a single book of Drizzt. ”

    I have not; which is why you have the burden of proof. Convince me that the elf can beat the demi-god.

    “Salvatore mentions over a million times that Drizzt can draw his sword in the blink of an eye. ”

    Hyperbole that has been used to describe countless characters before; including humans.

    “but it’s not as if Sephiroth will be shooting him, or as if Sephiroth could deflect a bullet”

    He himself has overwhelmed and outclassed not one but TWO different characters who could effortlessly avoid and deflect bullets from both handguns and rifles. It’s Zack and Cloud respectively. He was aloof and exerted virtually no effort in dispaching the two of them; even speed-wise neither one could keep up. He has reflexes and physical speed comparable or faster to than a bullet flying through the air.

    “If Sephiroth used firaga, Drizzt’s sword Icing Death would simply absorb it.”

    It’s not his only spell but at least it shows adaptability on Dritzzt’s part.

    “Salvatore commonly writes “With his magically enhanced anklets, a few quick strides brought Drizzt to (Insert destination) in seconds” I have no numbers, but it is quite obvious that Drizzt’s speed is enhanced quite a bit by the bracers.”

    Sounds like I need to get me a pair for my next PT test. But numbers would help; until then the feat isn’t really quantifiable.

    “And this isn’t even going into his ability to teleport (shown in his fight versus Zack in the Nibleheim Reactor in Crisis Core).”

    Considering he was still a human during that fight and such an ability would require some sort of magic I’m not sure he really was teleporting. I think it was more a reference to his abilities presented in Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia and shit where he has far more freedom.

    “This counts for nothing. Elves being faster than D&D humans doesn’t make them faster than all humans across all of fiction. Besides, not only is Sephiroth not human, he’s also a (sort of) natural bullet-timer.”

    He was a bullet-timer as a human.

    “He doesn’t have a gun, no, but he’s got a number of ranged attacks.”

    Long distance sword swings mostly. He “fired” them several hundred meters away and they were capable of effortlessly cutting through concrete and steel at such distances. As a human seen during the cutscene in Crisis Core there was a visible blue energy projecitle whereas in Advent Children it was invisible.

    ““Salvatore commonly writes “With his magically enhanced anklets, a few quick strides brought Drizzt to (Insert destination) in seconds” I have no numbers, but it is quite obvious that Drizzt’s speed is enhanced quite a bit by the bracers.”
    Rendered moot by the bullet-timing and teleportation mentioned above.”

    Maybe not; if they could figure out some kind of numbers and if they were comparable then it would be usable for speed. Still, Sephiroth easily has the distance and power advantage.

    “Don’t I know it. I had a fairly cataclysmic argument with almost this exact same figure of speech against Mike on Cloud Strife vs Richard Rahl many moons ago, back when he first started invading Rahl threads. As far as I know it’s still unresolved.”

    BUT HYPERBOLE IS LITERAL!!!!

  57. Blood Dancer November 28, 2010 at 8:44 am -      #57

    “BUT HYPERBOLE IS LITERAL!!!!”

    And that children is the hazardous effect that Mikes “reasoning” has on the common man. Dunking one’s head in a bucket of pure bleach is a preferable fate.

  58. Blood Dancer November 28, 2010 at 8:47 am -      #58

    Edit: Mike’s…………

    I know, my comment is too short.

  59. CIDE November 28, 2010 at 9:04 am -      #59

    ““BUT HYPERBOLE IS LITERAL!!!!”

    And that children is the hazardous effect that Mikes “reasoning” has on the common man. Dunking one’s head in a bucket of pure bleach is a preferable fate.

    ….but it’s true… it’s literal….-cry-

  60. Fang November 28, 2010 at 4:49 pm -      #60

    Yeah guys hate to say it but sephiroths got this. And salvatore actually wasn’t exagerating when he said they apeear in drizzts hands in the blink of an eye, they literally “appear” in his hands like they were already there

  61. Twams November 29, 2010 at 1:50 am -      #61

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    When worn as anklets, it takes the slot of shoes/boots. The wearer gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves. All of the wearer’s modes of land movement increase by 30 feet, to a maximum of twice the wearer’s normal speed using that form of movement. This increase counts as an enhancement bonus, and it affects the creature’s jumping distance as normal for increased speed.

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    This item appeared in the Magic of Faerun and has been updated.

    Is Drizzt faster than Cloud or Zack? They have blocked/dodged bullets, but only because anime characters are just ridiculous. Cloud’s/Zack’s muscles shouldn’t even be able to lift their swords, but I guess Mako and Jenova cells give strength in spite of muscle mass. Anyone in an anime can block a bullet/dodge a bullet. I know that the argument is whether Sephiroth could beat Drizzt, I’m just sad that no one takes into account that Sephiroth could probably kill Drizzt cheaply, but Sephiroth’s neither cheap or a coward. Drizzt might not be as lethal, but he’s the better swordsman.

    Real-time game play doesn’t have to be cheap. Reaction commands and repetitive strategies are actually encouraged by many games for certain enemies, but for games like Dissidia, there are probably a few different ways to defeat Sephiroth using one character without being cheap.

    If cloud’s sword could resist it, then why not Drizzt? I’m aware that Angeal’s sword broke in the battle between Genesis and Sephiroth, but Drizzt’s scimitars are probably made of a stronger alloy. They hand the swords out to any soldier in Shinra so they can’t be THAT good.

    I’m pretty sure Sephiroth doesn’t teleport in the cutscenes.

    When I said you can’t base his fighting style on his gameplay, I meant that Sephiroth is neither limited nor open to the attacks he has in video games, Including teleport.

    I am aware of the definition of hyperbole. The funny part is that it’s not an exaggeration. Salvatore mentions that when he does draw his scimitars, he does it so quickly that his enemies are confused, and occasionally think that his scimitars simply appeared in his hands. Even though Drizzt’s speed might not make Sephiroth himself flinch, but flinching isn’t an opinion.

    If you only have knowledge of Sephiroth, then of course you think he’ll win. In fact, I’m not even sure why you’re commenting if you don’t know both sides well.

    In the first trilogy, Drizzt discovers a parry for a move that no one else could block. He has fought all sorts of monsters, from goblins to dragons, and his adaptability in each of his battles is astounding. I’m sure he’d find his way across Sephiroth’s unusual sword.

    The move in which Sephiroth swings his blade, and a blue wave emerges from masamune to hit his enemy from far away isn’t bullet-time. It’s actually pretty slow.

    In The Orc King, Drizzt has an enchanted bow called Taulmaril, The Heart-Seeker. It has an inexhaustible supply of silver arrows that cause a silver mini-explosion (I’m not sure if the explosion is lethal) on contact. He doesn’t miss.

    Everyone Keeps mentioning that Sephiroth can fly. How would that help him if Drizzt is on the ground? Are you saying the Sephiroth would stay in the air and launch projectiles the entire fight? I’m pretty sure that’s not his style.

    Though Drizzt lost his ability to levitate, he still retains the power to create harmless purple flames and a globe of impenetrable darkness big enough to engulf a close sword fight between the two.

    Sephiroth’s boss forms can only be included if Drizzt’s hunter mode is. Even then, if Sephiroth was limited to the attacks of his boss form, Drizzt could indefinitely learn the strategy linked to his downfall. We did.

    As i said before, it doesn’t actually seem that Sephiroth is fast, just that his strength is so great that he can use a sword with extreme ease. Since we’re able to move a pencil in the air as fast as Sephiroth with a sword, that doesn’t make us quick, it just means that we have enough strength to ignore it’s weight.

    And finally, do you believe that Cloud would lose to Drizzt? Or if Cloud is slower than Drizzt? Is Drizzt a better swordsman that Cloud? If so, then Drizzt and Sephiroth are at least equally matched.

  62. Blood Dancer November 29, 2010 at 2:07 am -      #62

    @Twams

    I don’t think talmauril is part of Drizzt’s standard gear.

  63. CIDE November 29, 2010 at 3:07 am -      #63

    The stuff at the top is all gameplay mechanics and hard to gauge how it works in real-time.

    “but Sephiroth’s neither cheap or a coward. Drizzt might not be as lethal, but he’s the better swordsman.”

    He actually is a cheap fighter. Though, he relies primarily on mental warfare than physical cheap tricks. There’s no CIS preventing Sephiroth from cutting Drizzt down as soon as the fight starts.

    “If cloud’s sword could resist it, then why not Drizzt? I’m aware that Angeal’s sword broke in the battle between Genesis and Sephiroth, but Drizzt’s scimitars are probably made of a stronger alloy. They hand the swords out to any soldier in Shinra so they can’t be THAT good.”

    Maybe, maybe not. What’s Drizzt’s sword made of and has that particular material ever been shown to break? And what force was required for it to break?

    “I’m pretty sure Sephiroth doesn’t teleport in the cutscenes.”

    I agree.

    “If you only have knowledge of Sephiroth, then of course you think he’ll win. In fact, I’m not even sure why you’re commenting if you don’t know both sides well.”

    Yes, normally it would go that way. I did read through the above debate though and there was kind of crappy defense for Drizzt. I based my decision on that. You have a chance to improve upon it though; I’m listening.

    “The move in which Sephiroth swings his blade, and a blue wave emerges from masamune to hit his enemy from far away isn’t bullet-time. It’s actually pretty slow.”

    It’s deceptive. We have to use the rate at which chunks of the cannon and the fighters themselves were alling in order to see that they were in fact really fast. It’s all about how they perceived things. We could do the math if needed.

    “In The Orc King, Drizzt has an enchanted bow called Taulmaril, The Heart-Seeker. It has an inexhaustible supply of silver arrows that cause a silver mini-explosion (I’m not sure if the explosion is lethal) on contact. He doesn’t miss.”

    Is this both standard equipment and current incarnation?

    “Everyone Keeps mentioning that Sephiroth can fly. How would that help him if Drizzt is on the ground? Are you saying the Sephiroth would stay in the air and launch projectiles the entire fight? I’m pretty sure that’s not his style.”

    If there’s any chance of him losing on the ground he would. That was actually the entirety of the final fight in the game. He floats up beyond the reach of your weapons and attacks from afar; such as slashing his wind with a “long range” effect.

    “Sephiroth’s boss forms can only be included if Drizzt’s hunter mode is. Even then, if Sephiroth was limited to the attacks of his boss form, Drizzt could indefinitely learn the strategy linked to his downfall. We did.”

    It’s canon according to the audio books (I can grab them if you need me too) that Sephiroth in AC had all of the powers and abilities he had before he fell by Cloud’s blade the second time (end of FFVII). It’s current incarnation. So the hunter form is in as long as it fits the bill for current incarnation.

    “As i said before, it doesn’t actually seem that Sephiroth is fast, just that his strength is so great that he can use a sword with extreme ease. Since we’re able to move a pencil in the air as fast as Sephiroth with a sword, that doesn’t make us quick, it just means that we have enough strength to ignore it’s weight.”

    If he weren’t Cloud and Zack both would’ve outsped him. Instead he outsped both of them without exerting any visible effort.

    “And finally, do you believe that Cloud would lose to Drizzt? Or if Cloud is slower than Drizzt? Is Drizzt a better swordsman that Cloud? If so, then Drizzt and Sephiroth are at least equally matched.”

    I don’t know if Cloud would win; his strength and speed are pretty epic. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if Drizzt was a better swordsman though. Cloud was self-taught with absolutely no formal training in how to use a blade. Add a handful of years of experience and that’s that.

  64. Lowk November 29, 2010 at 3:31 am -      #64

    “They have blocked/ dodged bullets, but only because anime characters are just ridiculous. Cloud’s/Zack’s muscles shouldn’t even be able to lift their swords, but I guess Mako and Anyone in an anime can block a bullet/dodge a bullet.”

    Not sure if this was an actual argument but
    1.They started as Videogame characters.
    2.Even if they were anime characters how would what they do in that form of media be any more ridiculous then say a drow who creates globes of darkness?

  65. Twams November 29, 2010 at 3:44 am -      #65

    I’m sorry that you have to base your argument on my dry misrepresentation. I don’t think that I can properly defend Drizzt unless I read the books over again. I highly recommend that you read them though. They’re wonderful books.

    I’m not sure Salvatore describes what Drizzt’s blades are made of… O.o I’m pretty sure Icing Death is made out of enchanted silver though. Their breaking rate might also depend on the type of metal used to forge Masamune.

    When Sephiroth is attacking genesis with the blue stuff, Genesis manages to block them without much trouble, just a few simple sword swipes.

    When I said boss forms, I was also including his forms in Kingdom Hearts and EX mode from Dissidia, both of which can be maneuvered around.

    “If he weren’t Cloud and Zack both would’ve outsped him. Instead he outsped both of them without exerting any visible effort.” Are you referring to the fight in last order? I’m not sure if you can use that one, cause he’s completely crazy in that fight. I think it appeared he exerted no effort because all he wanted was to get back to “mother”
    I’m not saying that Sephiroth isn’t fast, just not as fast as he appears.

    By the way, aren’t we only using the two HD fight scenes as references? If not, that’s fine. I just remember someone saying that we were.

    When Genesis used firaga on Sephiroth, what happened? He was completely devoured by a magical fireball long enough to singe his skin and clothes, yet he comes out unscathed. Perhaps we should just give Sephiroth the win, but only because he’s probably the biggest pile of unrealistic, fantastical awesomeness ever imagined. I SAY IT WITH LOVE, SEPHY!

  66. CIDE November 29, 2010 at 4:09 am -      #66

    “I’m sorry that you have to base your argument on my dry misrepresentation. I don’t think that I can properly defend Drizzt unless I read the books over again. I highly recommend that you read them though. They’re wonderful books.”

    I planned on it. Friend of mine was going to let me borrow them and then life just kind of took over. Got busy until recently.

    “Their breaking rate might also depend on the type of metal used to forge Masamune.”

    Following current incarnation his blade isn’t metal but instead a psychic projection like the rest of his body. Technically Masamune was left at the ShinRa Building as it was used by a a copy to kill the president. Unless that was a duplicate (I heard they exist in the game) and the original was left in the life stream.

    “When Sephiroth is attacking genesis with the blue stuff, Genesis manages to block them without much trouble, just a few simple sword swipes.”

    Yeah, he did. Then again his durability is kind of in question too as the first one did partially strike Genesis and not even his cut was damaged.

    “When I said boss forms, I was also including his forms in Kingdom Hearts and EX mode from Dissidia, both of which can be maneuvered around.”

    Yeah, I thought you were talking about the stuff from FFVII. Dissidia and KH are another separate canon.

    “I’m not saying that Sephiroth isn’t fast, just not as fast as he appears.”

    It’s all kind of the way he’s animated in the fights. If he hadn’t proven his speed then I’d kind of agree.

    “By the way, aren’t we only using the two HD fight scenes as references? If not, that’s fine. I just remember someone saying that we were.”

    Yes and no; with the release of Advent Children Complete came a whole bunch of peripheral bits. Books, I think a comic, etc. While they don’t expand on Sephiroth’s fighting specifically they did clarify that he had all of his powers in the form he took in Advent Children. So he’s got the physical abilities laid out by that and the scene in Crisis core plus the magic he had in FFVII.

    “When Genesis used firaga on Sephiroth, what happened? He was completely devoured by a magical fireball long enough to singe his skin and clothes, yet he comes out unscathed. Perhaps we should just give Sephiroth the win, but only because he’s probably the biggest pile of unrealistic, fantastical awesomeness ever imagined. I SAY IT WITH LOVE, SEPHY!”

    It wasn’t firaga but instead some special unique attack of Gensis’s. I forget the name but it’s pretty much the same damn thing. He uses it a bit in Crisis Core.

    Also, you forgot to mention that he’s a mama’s boy too.

  67. Zazax November 29, 2010 at 6:20 am -      #67

    “And finally, do you believe that Cloud would lose to Drizzt?”
    I think it would (like every other fight Cloud has ever been in) depend on his materia setup. If he gets nothing, it’d be an interesting fight and Drizzt may well win. If he gets his optimum stuff, Drizzt won’t touch him (the ability to freeze your foes in time, regenerate, polymorph people, cut them off from any supernatural abilities they have, magic or otherwise, summon monsters out of thin air, be immune to damn near everything, reflect magic back at your foes, speed yourself up to twice your normal speed, and bring yourself back from the dead is hard to circumvent). Cloud’s like Link in that regard; his power is directly proportional to how much of his stuff he gets.
    Actually, Composite Link versus Composite Cloud would be an awesome fight.

  68. CIDE November 29, 2010 at 6:29 am -      #68

    ““And finally, do you believe that Cloud would lose to Drizzt?”
    I think it would (like every other fight Cloud has ever been in) depend on his materia setup. If he gets nothing, it’d be an interesting fight and Drizzt may well win. If he gets his optimum stuff, Drizzt won’t touch him (the ability to freeze your foes in time, regenerate, polymorph people, cut them off from any supernatural abilities they have, magic or otherwise, summon monsters out of thin air, be immune to damn near everything, reflect magic back at your foes, speed yourself up to twice your normal speed, and bring yourself back from the dead is hard to circumvent). Cloud’s like Link in that regard; his power is directly proportional to how much of his stuff he gets.
    Actually, Composite Link versus Composite Cloud would be an awesome fight.”

    Even if Link has no means of matching Cloud’s strength or speed he would be relatively inuvlnerable and unlimited mana to boot for so many days would give Link the endurance to hold out.

    Unlike Link however Cloud is still a behemoth without his materia. Bullet timer capable of jumping 70 stories straight down without a scratch and cutting buildings in half effortlessly. Even sustain a large bore guns hot wound to the chest on top of numerous stab wounds from the fight just prior to it says a lot for his durability too.

  69. Zazax November 29, 2010 at 6:36 am -      #69

    “Even if Link has no means of matching Cloud’s strength or speed he would be relatively inuvlnerable and unlimited mana to boot for so many days would give Link the endurance to hold out. ”
    Actually, now that I think about it more, wouldn’t Cloud’s Dispel wipe out Link’s invulnerability, and Silence or Toad prevent him from using it again? Maybe it’s not so good a fight as I originally thought…

  70. CIDE November 29, 2010 at 6:40 am -      #70

    ““Even if Link has no means of matching Cloud’s strength or speed he would be relatively inuvlnerable and unlimited mana to boot for so many days would give Link the endurance to hold out. ”
    Actually, now that I think about it more, wouldn’t Cloud’s Dispel wipe out Link’s invulnerability, and Silence or Toad prevent him from using it again? Maybe it’s not so good a fight as I originally thought…”

    I didn’t even think about that. You’re probably right; it’s magic and Link has nothing against dispel-types of spells. Probably ruin any kind of magic defense Link has and be immune to Link’s own Polymorph spells.

    Yeah, either way the fight doesn’t seem to be a good one.

  71. galorian November 29, 2010 at 12:57 pm -      #71

    Just send rand in and have him erase everyone from existance, problem solved.

  72. CIDE November 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm -      #72

    “Just send rand in and have him erase everyone from existance, problem solved.”

    Oh noez!

    My Gravatar could probably beat him if only because of his speed (anywhere between .85-1.27C reaction time).

  73. Necronian June 5, 2011 at 5:53 am -      #73

    i dont know about winning, but heres what it woul look like in the end. sephiroth was two sword thru his lungs and out the other side, pining him to a protodirmis obalisk. the drow is lying in fetal pisition in pool of his blood. the panther is lying next to him, missing a paw, and tip of tail. so ha.

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