Master Chief vs RC 1138

Master Chief vs RC-1138

While on the surface it might seem like there are many similarities, after that, I think the comparison ends. While RC-1138 (Boss) is an excellent squad leader, how would he fare against MC in one-to-one combat?

How would this fight end?

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102 Comments on "Master Chief vs RC 1138"

  1. Thepocalypse March 27, 2009 at 5:07 am -      #1

    Master Chief would completely destroy him. No clone can match a SPARTAN.

  2. L-W March 27, 2009 at 7:41 am -      #2

    We know that RC 1138 would be resistant to most of the Chiefs conventional firepower thanks to his Plastoid armour, whilst his standard issue firearm, the DC-15S blaster, would be incomparably devastating to the Spartan (One shot, one kill).

    But a Mandalorian cannot *quite* physically compete with a Spartan, therefore his only hopes would be to reserve this fight to ranged combat. For as long the Boss can get the first successful and accurate shot on the Chief, he should win. Otherwise his vastly superior technology could make this fight nigh unpredictable at even close range.

  3. Matapiojo March 27, 2009 at 8:40 am -      #3

    I beleive that RC 1138’s advantages are more tactically beneficial in this fight than MC’s own. I throw my support to the trooper.

  4. AlphaCommando March 27, 2009 at 10:13 am -      #4

    The DC-17m ICWS, standard issue for clone commandos; does not match the raw power of most clone weapons like the DC-15 and is more akin to an SMG, however the ability to change the weapon into a sniper rifle and grenade launcher make it overall more powerful. Course the weapon is very powerful by Halo standards, I would place a few shots on MC for him to be completely fried, and if Boss wanted to just blow MCs head off or blow him apart, he could do that too.

    However Boss’ armor is also vastly superior, not only being power armor (allowing him to easily lift turrets and use them as weapons) but also is extremely tough (far far tougher than standard Phase II clone armor which is known to be very resistant to MCs weapons already) and incorporates a shield generator as well allowing him to take a level of punishment MC wishes he could take. Throw in an integrated wrist vibro-blade capable of punching through most known materials and allowing a single punch to kill even heavily armored humanoids. Combined wit the added genetic modifications and enhancements that Clone commandos got and you have something place inbetween MC and a Space Marine is pure overall fighting ability. I will give a slight advantage to MC in melee combat, however it will play out on wither or not Boss can land a single punch to the arms or upper-chest.

    Almost any commando could wipe the floor with Master Chief.

  5. Baron Somebody March 27, 2009 at 10:57 am -      #5

    I just wanna know, but how do the people in Halo have the technology to genetically alter humans yet they can’t even make armor as strong as the galaxy’s most worthless infantry unit? It makes no sense at all

  6. marche March 27, 2009 at 11:16 am -      #6

    star wars is just way far up the tecnology tree,besides the augmentations in halo dont compare to the ones in Star Wars.

  7. Thepocalypse March 27, 2009 at 2:15 pm -      #7

    He’s Mandalorian? Sorry I don’t really know the character, so I guess I don’t know.

  8. EnigmaJ March 27, 2009 at 2:57 pm -      #8

    “I just wanna know, but how do the people in Halo have the technology to genetically alter humans yet they can’t even make armor as strong as the galaxy’s most worthless infantry unit? It makes no sense at all”

    Condsidering neither universes ever “canon-ly” cross over into one another, what would be the point of that? The weapons in Halo are actually quite useful and powerful…. in the HALO UNIVERSE. Why would the Covenant all of a sudden decide to build suits that could withstand blaster rifle fire or force sensitive shields?

    Not to mention, you have consider the scale of the Star Wars universe. They have so many more resources ( better ones too ) that can be utilized to produce new techs. Plus, you make genetic engineering ( especially on Halo’s scale ) seem like a big thing =P

  9. AlphaCommando March 27, 2009 at 3:03 pm -      #9

    He’s a mando by extension, being a clone commando he is from Jango’s genes, and is thus genetically a Mandolorian. Also; the commandos where trained by Mandolorian mercenaries that Jango hired to help train groups of commandos (Jango wanted at least one group of hard-ass live-fire trained troops instead of the sanitary, controlled and non-dangerous/software training most clones got) they where imbued with alot of Mandolorian heritage/culture that not even most ARC troopers got, making many of them as close to true Mandos as any other clones.

    Heck, a few of them even went “rouge” after Order 66 and even had children, one even had a child with a female Jedi…good series of novels…

  10. Thepocalypse March 27, 2009 at 3:20 pm -      #10

    “He’s a mando by extension”
    Ah. The clones were inferior to the original though, right? I had always assumed so, but I’m not really sure. I mean if they can make perfect clones, why not clone a Jedi?
    The Dorsks proved that force ability transfers to clones. But perhaps cloning a Jedi is some sort of religious taboo.

  11. AlphaCommando March 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm -      #11

    No, in many regards the clones are superior to Jango (sure they have less free thought); denser muscles, etc; however they are plagued by being brought up in very sterile and safe environments, it took many battles for clones to get that war is dirty, messy and unsanitary. The level of genetic engineering in SW is incredible especially considering how easy cloning is.

    And yes cloning Jedi was taboo, the Kamioians actually reveled in the through of being able to clone an army of Jedi instead of Janos but that didn’t come to fruition. Course as shown by the Vader clones, you really can’t clone Jedi totally successfully, the Force it too…smart.

  12. Thepocalypse March 27, 2009 at 6:37 pm -      #12

    “as shown by the Vader clones, you really can’t clone Jedi totally successfully”
    I’d assume the clone race Dorsk originated from has superior methods of cloning that allow the carry-over of Jedi abilities.

  13. marche March 27, 2009 at 7:36 pm -      #13

    “I’d assume the clone race Dorsk originated from has superior methods of cloning that allow the carry-over of Jedi abilities.”

    Well the thing is,the force only does what the force wants.
    What i mean is that it has its own will,and cannot simply be put into someones body,not matter how good the cloning.

  14. AlphaCommando March 27, 2009 at 7:40 pm -      #14

    Well there where very few of those jedi, maybe the Force saw it as necessary to allow those clones their force powers.

    Where as the Emperor tried to almost trick or force the Force into giving Vader’s clones powers, and as I said; the Force is to smart and independent for that.

  15. L-W March 27, 2009 at 8:48 pm -      #15

    The Force has it’s own agenda, by going against the will of the Force (Vader Clones) you will just be subverted and essentially ignored. Whereas if the latent abilities of an individual coincide within it’s own grand scheme (Vader himself) you’ll find yourself to be a pawn of destiny.

    The Force plays a terrible game with the Jedi, Sith and other force sensitives, manipulating them as agents so that they may shape the universe to it’s own image.

  16. the_man_with The_Answers March 28, 2009 at 11:22 am -      #16

    hmmmm. master chief
    1-with mark 6 suit on mc can run up to about 130mph
    2-mc sees in sow-mo
    3-in mark 3 armour mc can lift over 60tons think what a punch would do
    4-even wthout a suit mc can see in the dark
    5-mc has reflexes so fast it is impossible to chart
    6-all spartans are practically immune to pain
    7-Master chief is only a couple of steps under iidestructable. this is because he has LUCK on hs side. he is one of the luckist people of all time from fiction or on fiction.
    8-he can survive a drop fom orbit, i’d like to see boss do that
    9-mc’s bones are almost unbreakable.

  17. L-W March 28, 2009 at 6:07 pm -      #17

    And? Do you have any coherent point to make?

  18. Space marine March 29, 2009 at 1:01 am -      #18

    factpile.com/master-chief-vs-space-marine-warhammer-40k

    Compare chief to a Space marine. and its like comparing a God to an ant.

  19. Thepocalypse March 29, 2009 at 6:02 am -      #19

    “Compare chief to a Space marine. and its like comparing a God to an ant.”
    While he would lose, it really is not.

  20. L-W March 29, 2009 at 9:34 am -      #20

    “I’m not that familiar to the firearms of Star Wars….But seems that an ordinary blaster could rip apart the MJOLNIR armor.”

    The Blaster, fires streams of hyper charged protons through conventional armour just like a concentrated ionized gas through Butter.

  21. marche March 29, 2009 at 10:38 am -      #21

    the_man_with The_Answers,you most certainly are not the man with the answers,1,3, and 8 are false.

  22. the_man_with The_Answers March 29, 2009 at 12:07 pm -      #22

    Either way, MC is two fast and lucky. In the novel The Fall of Reach, in mark 4 armor, MC could dodge a couple of live rounds in a test facility. Bullets are way faster than blaster bolts. Dodging the blaster shots would be extremely easy because they are not only slower ballisitcs,but MC is in Mark 6 armor. Boss could probably only land a coulple shots that would only damage his shields befor MC gets up close and breaks every bone in Boss’ body.

  23. Lebolud March 29, 2009 at 1:31 pm -      #23

    ”Compare chief to a Space marine. and its like comparing a God to an ant.”

    lol, coming from the guy named Space Marine.

  24. Some Guy Who Doesn't Quite Understand March 29, 2009 at 2:23 pm -      #24

    First, let me make this clear. To be convincing, you need evidence…and better english!

    Here, I quote and respond:

    “1-with mark 6 suit on mc can run up to about 130mph”
    –With it on…okay, I will assume he is wearing it then.

    “2-mc sees in sow-mo”
    –He can see in sow-mo? Wow, that is something…I thought he could see in ‘slow-motion’…oh well…this ability shall not harm my Republic/Imperial Commando.

    “3-in mark 3 armour mc can lift over 60tons think what a punch would do”
    –Didn’t we just establish that Master Chief was wearing the mark 6 armor? Can he wear both of these armors at the same time? Wow…one of these so-called “powers” will inevitably be useless.

    “4-even wthout a suit mc can see in the dark”
    –I can see in the dark, too.

    “5-mc has reflexes so fast it is impossible to chart”
    –“Impossible to chart.” Sure. Can you please cite this information? This is BankGambling, you know…I mean, if he were truly impossible to chart, he would not appear on any form of online map in the video game, nor would he require any cloaking device. Why, he could not even die (due to the impossibility to locate a proper target on his body to attack)!

    “6-all spartans are practically immune to pain”
    –“Practically”…And being immune to pain does NOT mean you are immune to the effects from body damage. Sure, he could “practically” walk-it-off, but if he couldn’t feel pain, he would not know when to receive proper medical attention…

    “7-Master chief is only a couple of steps under iidestructable. this is because he has LUCK on hs side. he is one of the luckist people of all time from fiction or on fiction.”
    –Luck is not a factor, simple as that…it may not be there when he needs it. (By the way, all living beings have the force, including the commando. The force is usually the “luck” in Star Wars…so I guess you could say Boss has a lot of luck).

    “8-he can survive a drop fom orbit, i’d like to see boss do that”
    –Several other republic commandos have taken the full impact of grenades and lived. Others have jumped out of “Larties” (ships) from high altitude and survived, with no injury as result. Just read the books and play the video game…please…

    “9-mc’s bones are almost unbreakable.”
    –“Almost.” Besides, you do not need to break the bones to kill…

    Let me conclude in listing several vague statements that did not help boost your argument…

    “run up to ABOUT130mph” “can lift OVER 60tons” “it is IMPOSSIBLE to chart”
    “PRACTICALLY immune to pain” “only a COUPLE of steps under iidestructable. this is because he has luck on hs side. he is ONE OF the luckist people of all time from fiction or on fiction.” “he can survive A drop…” “bones are ALMOST unbreakable…”

    Oh, how vague?

  25. marche March 29, 2009 at 2:49 pm -      #25

    ““1-with mark 6 suit on mc can run up to about 130mph”
    –With it on…okay, I will assume he is wearing it then.”
    that is actualy false,the fastest he has ever ran was 65 mph,but thats according to halopedia.

    “3-in mark 3 armour mc can lift over 60tons think what a punch would do”
    –Didn’t we just establish that Master Chief was wearing the mark 6 armor?”
    the point he was making was that it was inferior,but he never wore mk 3 armor into combat.

    ““4-even wthout a suit mc can see in the dark”
    –I can see in the dark, too. ”
    john can see VERY well in the dark,virtual night vision.

    ““5-mc has reflexes so fast it is impossible to chart”
    –”Impossible to chart.” Sure. Can you please cite this information? This is BankGambling, you know…I mean, if he were truly impossible to chart, he would not appear on any form of online map in the video game, nor would he require any cloaking device. Why, he could not even die (due to the impossibility to locate a proper target on his body to attack)!”

    he said reaction,as in he reacts so fast they cannot chart it,i dont see what that has to do with not being able to die.
    i also believe he meant this:www.xbox.com/en-US/games/h/halo/spotlight2.htm

  26. kano547 March 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm -      #26

    “Compare chief to a Space marine. and its like comparing a God to an ant.”
    not really more like comparing a black widow to an ant. i think the rc would win because MJOLNIR armour is not made to withstand laser fire it made for plasma guns

  27. Space marine March 29, 2009 at 5:22 pm -      #27

    @ Diana and the apocolyspe

    Yes it is! Your the delusional ones! Not me! You! It is Comparing a God to an ant!
    Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!

    /facepalms self

  28. Zach V. March 29, 2009 at 6:18 pm -      #28

    Mc would win.

    Superior training, physical abilities, and more experience. One .50 bullet to RC’s chest would rip him to shreds and even if it didn’t penetrate, the shock of the impact would kill him.

    Since Mc has superior reflexes and can act faster, he would be able to get the shot off first.

  29. Zach V. March 29, 2009 at 6:42 pm -      #29

    “whilst his standard issue firearm, the DC-15S blaster, would be incomparably devastating to the Spartan (One shot, one kill)”

    Maybe with the grenade launcher. But it isn’t THAT powerful in the game.

  30. Zach March 29, 2009 at 7:12 pm -      #30

    images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d8/Clonecallouts.jpg

    Boss has a weak spot right below his helmet and with Master Chief’s supreme physical abilities and training, I would have to say that he could lay a .50 bullet right in RC’s neck faster than Boss could shoot him.

    And it wouldn’t be one shot one kill L-W. Have you ever played the game that boss is featured in? The main gun takes multiple rounds to kill. Jeese, can you please stop over exaggerating the capabilities of a blaster.

  31. L-W March 29, 2009 at 9:07 pm -      #31

    In the Star Wars verse where Phase I equipment and alloys are designed to provide protection it makes sense. But against a comparatively primitive enclave of Human colonies, despite their best efforts, there would be little protection from such advanced states of technology and ordinance.

    I’ve stated this once on another board, so I’ll reiterate it here just for the sake of clarity.

    Spear: 50 Joules
    9mm Parabellum: 583 Joules
    .45 caliber: 450 Joules
    AK-47 7.62mm round: 2,045 Joules
    .50 cal Barrett M82A Rifle: 20,000 Joules (0.02 megajoules)
    M67 Hand Grenade: 600,000 Joules (0.6 megajoules)
    Covenant Plasma Rifle: 17MJ
    E-11 Blaster: 4,184,000 MJ (4.2 TJ)

    Now take this into account, the MJOLNIR armor energy shield can sustain only one Overcharged Plasma Pistol round before subsequently overloading and failing, that sum seems rather insignificant against the 4.2 TJ of energy available in each Blaster bolt.

    “Jeese, can you please stop over exaggerating the capabilities of a blaster.”

    Unlike some, I have not fallen prey to hyperbole.

  32. El Zilcho March 29, 2009 at 11:53 pm -      #32

    To further help clarify, in halo 3 you can only take 20 plasma shots, and it has already been established that they are much more powerful in universe.

  33. Danman March 30, 2009 at 2:30 am -      #33

    “’Compare chief to a Space marine. and its like comparing a God to an ant.’

    You’re getting on the delusional side Space Marine

    I’m not that familiar to the firearms of Star Wars….But seems that an ordinary blaster could rip apart the MJOLNIR armor.”
    an ant could slay a God if it wanted

    “E-11 Blaster: 4,184,000 MJ (4.2 TJ)”
    MC fist:9,999,99999999999,9 MJ

    btw luck is not a factor, it is a power

  34. L-W March 30, 2009 at 9:29 am -      #34

    Danman, please don’t take my scientific postulation and pervert it with your stupidity. Especially when you cannot even place the commas in the correct order or sequence of relevance.

    It’s bad enough that modern medical science has kept you alive (In lieu of natural selection), can you just remain quiet and ultimately grateful?

  35. Just A Gamer March 30, 2009 at 4:18 pm -      #35

    L-W.. Its nothing personal really, but I hate you and the overpower crap produced bt the star wars universe. Thank you thats all I really wanted to say.

    Oh except this.. I still think Boba stole the dissintigrator ray from Marvin the Martian

  36. the_man_with The_Answers March 30, 2009 at 7:47 pm -      #36

    blasters are charged protons. MC’s armour uses ENERGY shielding not plasma. Bosses shields are designed against charged protons not plasma/ballistics. Energy shielding should give an adavatage against protons. plasma woul overload the proton defensive armour.

  37. Zach V. March 30, 2009 at 7:59 pm -      #37

    L-W, I understand the power of a blaster. But joules doesn’t determine everything. As stated:

    Spear: 50 Joules
    9mm Parabellum: 583 Joules
    .45 caliber: 450 Joules
    AK-47 7.62mm round: 2,045 Joules

    A spear(although less joules) would kill someone more effectively than a 9mm Parabellum. A spear would go right through a bullet proof vest.

    A .45 caliber bullet will do more damage than a .30 caliber bullet although the .30 caliber bullet has more Joules. (Close range)

    So you can’t just leave everything up to Joules.

    I don’t care what kind of armor the Clone has, a .50 caliber bullet would kill him if it hit him. If it hit him in the head, the bullet may not go throguht the armor, but it would internally decapitate him. If it hit him in the neck part that is proctected by a thin layer of rubber material(I have no idea what kind of material it is), the bullet would go straight through, probably be stopped by his back armor, and it would kill him(obviously).

    Although the clone has “vastly superior technology” I believe that the Chief’s shield would protect him.

  38. AlphaCommando March 30, 2009 at 8:14 pm -      #38

    @the_man_with_The_Answers (ironic isn’t it)
    /facepalm

    What!?! Does that even make sense? No I do not believe it does, it is excruciatingly obvious you have absolutely no idea of how exactly how physics work, even sci fi fakey physics escape you…

    Energy shielding in SW works by stripping energy from anything, be it projectile, plasma round of blaster bolt, considering plasma in Halo is insanely weak compared to standard blaster weapons it would take inordinate amounts of plasma to drop Boss’ shields. All the while it would take a few shots from the DC-17m to critically cripple or kill MC…

    @Just A Gamer
    “Hate” is such a strong word *head shake*….

  39. L-W March 30, 2009 at 9:20 pm -      #39

    “L-W.. Its nothing personal really, but I hate you and the overpower crap produced bt the star wars universe. Thank you thats all I really wanted to say.”

    You don’t have to like me, but it’s difficult to argue objective facts presented by a fictional universe thousands of years ahead of our own.

    “blasters are charged protons. MC’s armour uses ENERGY shielding not plasma. Bosses shields are designed against charged protons not plasma/ballistics. Energy shielding should give an adavatage against protons. plasma woul overload the proton defensive armour.”

    Proton proof armour? Then explain to me how Master Chief is killed by a single burst from the Spartan Laser. Come back when you stop failing at *basic* physics.

    Idiot.

  40. marche March 30, 2009 at 9:27 pm -      #40

    “overpower crap produced bt the star wars universe.”
    do you know how powerful guns are in star trek and warhammer?

  41. L-W March 30, 2009 at 10:13 pm -      #41

    “But joules doesn’t determine everything. As stated:”

    You’re talking to a ballistics expert here, so I understand the relationship between joules, penetration and fragmentation; and whilst a minor 100 joule difference is not entirely reflective of the mass, density and penetration of two separate rounds. Technically, the “hitting (Stopping) power” of a bullet is determined by the bullet weight and velocity, and is measured in joules. But as with anything else, minor variables such as mass and velocity can affect the overall stopping power of a weapon.

    These are acceptable in minor deviations, but we’re talking about a 4,000,000MJ difference. That’s a significant difference between the penetration power of a .38 and .45 and string of protons traveling at the speed of light. The beauty of a string of Protons being that they are not affected by mass and velocity (Why worry about velocity at lightspeed?), but by the density of an object they impact.

    “A spear(although less joules) would kill someone more effectively than a 9mm Parabellum. A spear would go right through a bullet proof vest.”

    The composition of a Kevlar vest is designed to resist high impact penetrations rather than low surface area stabs, but now even modern Kevlar uses Roma clay backing to halt knife penetration measured at 200 joules with minimal resistance.

    As for the effectiveness of a spear, whilst having little penetration in comparison to even a 9mm cartridge, it possesses a mass suitable for providing sufficient stopping power against the Human body causing a messy “Penetration and push” effect.

    But more effective than a 9mm? That’s the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in sometime.

    “So you can’t just leave everything up to Joules.”

    Yes you can, especially when the ratio the determines their respective value is in the millions.

    “I don’t care what kind of armor the Clone has, a .50 caliber bullet would kill him if it hit him. If it hit him in the head, the bullet may not go throguht the armor, but it would internally decapitate him.”

    Biology fail. It would probably cause concussion or even minor sensory deprivation as a result (Plastoid warps and deflects, it doesn’t absorb) of the relatively minor impact, but will fall short of decapitation by a long shot. He’ll have one hell of a cracking headache, but it certainly won’t be fatal.

    Don’t forget, Troopers have been shown to take minor slug throwing artillery and only show broken bones as a result, in this instance I think the Boss could live on.

    “I don’t care what kind of armor the Clone has, a .50 caliber bullet would kill him if it hit him. If it hit him in the head, the bullet may not go throguht the armor, but it would internally decapitate him.”

    The Body Glove could deflect the round just as easily as Plastoid (Boba used the same stuff), unfortunately an impact to the larynx would probably stun him as a result and may even cause some severe impact damage. But a reinforced skeletal structure could quite likely keep him going lone enough to return fire.

    “Although the clone has “vastly superior technology” I believe that the Chief’s shield would protect him.”

    From? The Shield systems can only sustain at maximum 30MJ before overloading and dropping entirely, as was proven in “Halo: First Strike”, any “minor” penetration or Plasma burst would be sufficient to near fatally wound him or incapacitate without his active shield present .

    “Still, the Master Chief hesitated. His shields were gone, his
    armor breached. He had been fighting almost nonstop for what
    felt like years. He was forced to admit that he was at the limits of
    his endurance.

    A good soldier always assessed the tactical situation—and
    right now, his situation was serious. A single lucky plasma shot
    could inflict third-degree burns along his arm and shoulder and
    incapacitate him, which would give the Grunts an opportunity to
    finish him off.”

    Halo: Fall of Reach pg 85

    Once the first 30MJ of a Blaster round have overloaded and blown his shield away, what’s going to happen to the other 4,183,970MJ of energy? Is it going to turn into a Bunny and hop away?

  42. Cpt Olimar March 31, 2009 at 12:18 am -      #42

    “Once the first 30MJ of a Blaster round have overloaded and blown his shield away, what’s going to happen to the other 4,183,970MJ of energy? Is it going to turn into a Bunny and hop away?”

    Uhhhhh… yea. The master Chief is so lucky, that the energy will just happen to completely pass to the atoms around his body due to the lucky position of all the electrons in the air around him. Then he will take the spartan laser and….uhhhhhh…… use his luck to win. Cause he is lucky and because he is the best. *add more BS here*

    Seriously, this is just another match where Master Chief finds his technology significantly inferior to his opponent and his quick thinking and reflexes can only get him so far. In a situation where one single miscalculation can instantly result in death, it seems that the Chief hardly has any time for offensive attacks.

  43. Galen Marek March 31, 2009 at 12:33 am -      #43

    Wow this one finally came out, I have been waiting for this one for a while now.
    Wow it seems like everyone all ready knows that Boss will destroy MC.

  44. Thepocalypse March 31, 2009 at 3:08 pm -      #44

    “Well the thing is,the force only does what the force wants.”
    By one interpretation. Some see the Force as the manifestation of deity-like consciousness, but others see it as an ability to manipulate a type of particle that does not exist in our universe (as far as we know).

  45. L-W March 31, 2009 at 7:42 pm -      #45

    Even if you do fall down the biological rather than metaphysical side of the Force debate, there is still too much evidence dictating that said particle is a collective conscious that does as it pleases according to it’s will. Whether or not it has an overall goal is not present, but it’s clear that it manipulates events through physically binding matter.

    Midi-Chlorians are just an example of such.

  46. the_man_with The_Answers March 31, 2009 at 7:46 pm -      #46

    Things fom Halo have no medclorians, therefore cannot be manipulated by the force. Protons=positivly charged particles
    Energy shielding=protons and elecrtons
    proton plus proton=repolsion
    This means? the blaster shot would lose most of it’s energy before it impacts th shields
    Also drawing energy from plasma will barely dampen the heat, which is the real cause of damage. The only reason th SPARTAN laser gets through is that it is both electrons and protons and it is a huge blast in first place.

  47. L-W March 31, 2009 at 9:55 pm -      #47

    Fundamental physics fail.

    Even if Protons could be deflected in such a manner by Proton based shielding (Which is improbable to nigh impossible), your statement fails to function legitimately on several distinct points, making it clear that you have no idea as to what you’re talking about:

    1) There is no canon evidence to suggest a purely Proton based shield is active.

    2) Considering neither Forerunner or Covenant technology shows signs of possessing small-scale baryogenesis generators, where do you propose they create a Proton based field?

    3) The most likely candidates for energy shielding are a Plasma sheath (The most likely), an electromagnetic mesh designed to warp debris upon contact or a unit that generates solid light by manipulating the quantum electrodynamics of Photons. Neither of which match your proposed statement.

    4) To sustain even a molecule thin string of Protons requires over 36 Megajoules of continuous energy (Around 10 TeV – Electron Volts). Even with efficient storage and conservation methods employed in Covenant and UNSC shield technology, personnel shields that employ a body wide sheath can only sustain 30MJ of energy without duress.

    Where are these million of Megajoules generated? Even by modern standards, the cost to produce and sustain only 1 billionth of a gram for a millionth of a second requires up to $62.5 trillion. Even with an efficient storage medium, where would the USNC find the resources to continuously sustain a Proton only field?

    5) Even if this supposed Proton only field did exist, it would fail on the basis of these three reasons.

    A) Particle acceleration generates antielectrons (a positron, an electron with a positive charge) and antiprotons (a proton with a negative charge), which would defy any conventional field designed to repel even photons.

    B) They are traveling at lightspeed, therefore more than 99.9% of the mass of the stream is accounted for by antiprotons and antineutrons. Their annihilation with protons and neutrons is a complicated process that although difficult to calculate (Due to immense energy yields) are almost always predictable in their patterns. A proton-antiproton pair can annihilate into a number of charged and neutral relativistic pions without sufficiently decaying against a charged surface.

    Even if Master Chief walked around with an Energy shield composed solely of positively charged protons (Which he doesn’t), the process of Particle Acceleration would disrupt said barrier quite easily.

    C) Even in the super-efficient and fantastical Blaster module, producing a “pure” proton string would be theoretically impossible without charging the weapon for approximately one billion years before it could maintain suitable mass. Instead it would require the acceleration (Thus I termed it as a Particle Accelerator on many boards) of subatomic particles such as electrons, positrons, and protons themselves so they can be accelerated to high velocities and energies and still retain optimum direct energy transfer efficiency.

    6) You also fail to take into account the laws of energy conversion. Even if this magical Proton sheath could somehow deflect or strip high speed projectiles of energy, it would only be able to absorb 30MJ of said energy *AT BEST*. Where’s the rest going to go? Is it going to dodge and harmlessly dissiapte around the Chief out of sheer respect, or will it continue along it’s intended path and deliver over a whopping 4,000,000 MJ of energy?

    Considering you cannot differentiate differentiate between the laws of efficient conversion in fissile material and subatomic particles, you should probably listen to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

    – – –

    Finally, onto a last few points:

    “Also drawing energy from plasma will barely dampen the heat, which is the real cause of damage.”

    No, unlike Titanium the material in question *can* safely dissipate heat quite efficiently, the body glove handles the excess. The Kartan armour in question can even deflect Blaster Bolts and cannon sized artillery, so good luck with that statement.

    “The only reason th SPARTAN laser gets through is that it is both electrons and protons and it is a huge blast in first place.”

    And where do you propose this blast stems from? Does the atmosphere take one look at the Non-Linear Rifle and decides out of sheer respect to spontaneously convert energy from mass?

    A Blaster and a Laser (Never confuse them with Plasma) work on the same principle, as does the Covenant Particle Beam Rifle. The difference? A Blaster is millions of times more efficient in conversion, thus making the Bolts far more deadly than even the comparatively limited output of a Anti-Vehicle Model 6 Grindell/Galilean Nonlinear Rifle.

    – – –

    Come back when you stop failing at physics so hard.

  48. Cpt Olimar April 1, 2009 at 1:31 am -      #48

    Hey, I never thought I would be learning about anti-matter on a video game thread! In all honesty I thought it was science fiction X_X I never considered positrons to be anitmatter, but it makes sense now. Keep it coming L-W :)

  49. Space marine April 1, 2009 at 4:14 am -      #49

    why don’t you try posting an article in Popular Science….

    No Diana, DON-

    /Facepalm from L-W

  50. the_man_with The_Answers April 1, 2009 at 6:52 pm -      #50

    Do you have a PhD in physics L-W? It seems like you do.
    Back to the topic. I know for a fact that blaster bolts do NOT move at the speed of light. You can clearly see them travel the battlefield in all the movies and games. Plus how would you know that i takes 30MJ to make a personel shield without duress? Last I knew our current technology is still at ballistic proof metals and fabrics. We haven’t even come close to the tech in Halo and Star Wars. Also I hope you know that the duress is severly diminished my the reactive gel layers n MC’s armour. that allows a hiegher MJ. Where is Boss’s shield getting power from? If duress would be bad at 30MJ than Boss doesn’ t have shield powers that are extremely powerful. If a .50 would stun Boss then think of a 14.5mmX114mm anti-material round would do? He would probably go unconcious. The only reason it would take one shot of plasma on chief is because that is a Mark 5 suit that hasn’t been repaired since the fall of reach. did you even read that novel or the novel the flood? In a fully reparied Mark 6 suit, it would take 5-7 plasma shots withthe shields down.

  51. L-W April 1, 2009 at 9:17 pm -      #51

    “Do you have a PhD in physics L-W? It seems like you do.”

    I’m pretty close to having one, unfortunately due to my status as a foreign Student, I’ll have to travel abroad to attain my doctorate, unless of course I feel like bending over for the Australian Government and taking it. Hard.

    “I know for a fact that blaster bolts do NOT move at the speed of light. You can clearly see them travel the battlefield in all the movies and games.”

    Which makes them slower than bullets, heck, not even arrows are that visible during flight. How do you propose they could exist as what is essentially a laser like state of matter, or even cause sufficient damage if they were traveling slower than rocks?

    Because the bolt traveled at faster-than-light speeds, targets could show signs of damage before the visible portion of the bolt hit. This was because the visible portion, as well as most of the heat, was a side-effect of the actual, lethal bolt. I can recall at least two instances where damage occurs a split second before the visual component makes contact: Luke’s cybernetic hand being hit on the sail barge in RotJ, and when Yoda just barely avoids getting hit by a stray bolt on Kashyyyk.

    Source – Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology

    “Plus how would you know that i takes 30MJ to make a personel shield without duress?”

    What? Look, instead of waiting for you to repeat this question in a legible and coherent manner, I’m going to assume that you asked:

    “How do I know that the personal energy shield can sustain only 30MJ?”

    Simple. Canon sources practically state that his shielding can sustain only one overcharged Plasma Pistol round before overloading and collapsing, the context of the games also verify this. Through a few simple calculations…

    (Comment 477: BankGambling.com/master-chief-vs-boba-fett)

    …I managed to conclude that a single overcharged round would yield around 30-31MJ of energy. Thus you have your answer.

    “We haven’t even come close to the tech in Halo and Star Wars.”

    The Spartan energy shield is retrofitted from Covenant technology.

    “Also I hope you know that the duress is severly diminished my the reactive gel layers n MC’s armour.”

    Yet without his shields present, his suit can only sustain only several megajoules worth of damage before severely harming the Chief. Despite their best efforts, the reinforced chassis and reactive gel coating of the Mjolnir platform can NOT sustain over four million megajoules of damage.

    How many times do I have to repeat this point before it finally gets through to you?

    “Where is Boss’s shield getting power from? If duress would be bad at 30MJ than Boss doesn’ t have shield powers that are extremely powerful.”

    Nice try, but you now just comes across looking like an idiot. As I’ve already explained (Thanks for paying attention) his shields can sustain several direct shots from Cannon sized Blaster fire. If a hand-sized Blaster can produce four million megajoules of energy, what do you think an artillery gun sized weapon will produce? We’re talking about millions upon millions. The Boss could walk through the blast of the Spartan Laser unharmed and still come out with nothing more than slightly blackened armour as a result of the reactive and composite materials forming his suit.

    “If a .50 would stun Boss then think of a 14.5mmX114mm anti-material round would do?”

    Read again moron, I said if it managed to hit him at full force it could probably stun him. But with a combination of active and passive energy shielding and an armour plating capable of deflecting even heavy artillery with a minimum of damage, a 14.5mmX114mm anti-material round would be just as useless as any other ballistic round in the Star Wars verse.

    “The only reason it would take one shot of plasma on chief is because that is a Mark 5 suit that hasn’t been repaired since the fall of reach. did you even read that novel or the novel the flood? In a fully reparied Mark 6 suit, it would take 5-7 plasma shots withthe shields down.”

    Even with the new Mark VI armour equipped to deal with prolonged exposure to Plasma weapons, that’s only 90MJ of damage at best. So once again I ask, what happens to other four million?

    – – –

    Please keep coming up with more of these pathetic justifications, I find them extremely entertaining to rip apart. Like a bloodsport, except with idiots, rather than endangered animals.

  52. Terror April 2, 2009 at 1:27 pm -      #52

    Haven’t had the opportunity to read up on “Boss” – Seems like an interesting character though. WHere can I read up? Seems like a good match for MC, or maybe more?

  53. Matapiojo April 2, 2009 at 1:49 pm -      #53

    “Like a bloodsport, except with idiots, rather than endangered animals.”

    I always thought they were one and the same…

  54. Galen Marek April 2, 2009 at 4:22 pm -      #54

    Idiots are definately not endangered. I mean come on just driving down the street you will see idiots.

  55. Matapiojo April 2, 2009 at 7:08 pm -      #55

    Being within my cross hairs definitely makes them endangered regardless of their current census.

  56. Zach V April 2, 2009 at 8:56 pm -      #56

    “Biology fail. It would probably cause concussion or even minor sensory deprivation as a result (Plastoid warps and deflects, it doesn’t absorb) of the relatively minor impact, but will fall short of decapitation by a long shot. He’ll have one hell of a cracking headache, but it certainly won’t be fatal”

    You disappoint me L-W. Usually you have the most awesome comebacks that destroy anything anyone has to say.

    Wow, can’t believe you said this. Considering that clones can move their heads, he would be dead. A 7.62x51mm bullet hitting you in a helmet but not penetrating would break your neck. Add the extra energy and mass of a .50 cal round(maybe with some explosives added into the mix; oh yah, its a 14mm round not a 12.7, well anyways) and you have a broken neck at least.

    Plus add the three more rounds on Mc’s mag.

  57. Galen Marek April 2, 2009 at 10:13 pm -      #57

    L-W it seems like a guy needs an ass whoopin on the Vader vs Masterchief page.

  58. L-W April 2, 2009 at 10:27 pm -      #58

    Are you blind? I’ve already gone into detail (So have others) as to how the energy shielding would be sufficient as to strip even high velocity rounds of their muzzle velocity.

    If the Chief was lucky it may prang off the exterior of his Helmet and possibly distort his vision for a few seconds (The Visor tends to go haywire when the shield activates), which sometimes may leave the Trooper slightly disorientated as a result. Thus I referred to it as a sensory deprivation (Clones are often easily stimulated due to their enhanced senses), not full blown trauma.

    The damage would be more of an irritation than a fatality.

  59. AlphaCommando April 2, 2009 at 10:41 pm -      #59

    You obviously can’t move beyond archaic armor is which energy transfer was almost total. What you don’t seem to understand is that that all comes from ENERGY, body armors work by absorbing ENERGY through padding and warping, and the Katarn Armor can absorb inconceivably more ENERGY than anything infantry level today bullets and blasters are the exact same thing when it comes to a hard armor like the Katarn armor, the padding, shielding and plastoid deflect and absorb making a .50 have a bit more physical wallop than a blaster shot but its not gonna do much more than give a headache. Plus this is all assuming the thousand .50 cal rounds MC would have to fire already depleted Boss’ shields.

    Jesus you’re dense…

  60. AlphaCommando April 2, 2009 at 11:13 pm -      #60

    Beat me to it AGAIN!…

  61. the_man_with The_Answers April 3, 2009 at 7:44 pm -      #61

    Fine I admit that MC would lose in a shoot out. However if it was Hand-To-Hand combat with no weapons besides their armor, than MC would definatly win.

  62. the_man_with The_Answers April 4, 2009 at 11:25 am -      #62

    I take it back, MC would win in both. I think the post in Scarab Vs AT-AT proves that a blaster shot is only as strong as holding a lightbulb to your skin for a couple of seconds. There is no way MC’s shields would eve be taken down considering his sheilds can take multiple plasma hits, because that is at least 1,000 times hotter than a lightbulb.

  63. Matapiojo April 4, 2009 at 11:55 am -      #63

    “I take it back, MC would win in both. I think the post in Scarab Vs AT-AT proves that a blaster shot is only as strong as holding a lightbulb to your skin for a couple of seconds.”

    Wow. Just wow.

    You COMPLETELY missed the point of that post. I suggest you go back and read it very, VERY carefully because I wrote exactly the opposite of what you just stated.

  64. L-W April 5, 2009 at 5:01 am -      #64

    “I take it back, MC would win in both. I think the post in Scarab Vs AT-AT proves that a blaster shot is only as strong as holding a lightbulb to your skin for a couple of seconds. There is no way MC’s shields would eve be taken down considering his sheilds can take multiple plasma hits, because that is at least 1,000 times hotter than a lightbulb.”

    I concur with Mata, you are an idiot.

  65. the_man_with The_Answers April 5, 2009 at 10:29 am -      #65

    Ya, I was in a hurry. Missed some parts. Ya MC losses in gunfight, but wins in fist fight.

  66. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 10, 2009 at 5:15 am -      #66

    sniper battle=master chief(chief has more experience in that sort of thing)

    hand to hand=master chief

    medium range=master chief (because if they’re just exchanging rockets and plasma anything that doesn’t kill is a waist of ammo)

    overall=master chief

  67. L-W April 10, 2009 at 10:47 am -      #67

    Can you not be an idiot for at least a few minutes of the day? That would be swell.

  68. The One Sin April 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm -      #68

    Hell, at least Sangheli managed to not stray from the main debate. I see a little potential.

  69. the_man_with The_Answers April 10, 2009 at 6:42 pm -      #69

    I agree with Sang, in sniping MC would win. With either sniper rifle MC would win. I don’t think Boss could take 4 direct head shots from a 14mmX114mm anti-material round without suffering at least a concussion. With the particle beam rifle, it’s using the same basic tech as Star Wars. With MC’s training and speed he would take the shots, move, re-target, and so on.

    Mid range, MC losses

    Hand to hand, MC wins

    I say overall tie because most battles are mid range but sniping and h2h together kind of settle the score.

  70. L-W April 10, 2009 at 10:32 pm -      #70

    “Hell, at least Sangheli managed to not stray from the main debate. I see a little potential.”

    Heck, anything would be better than the contents of post #72.

  71. the_man_with The_Answers April 18, 2009 at 9:51 am -      #71

    At least I don’t write a page from a physics textbook every other post.

  72. Matapiojo April 18, 2009 at 12:02 pm -      #72

    “At least I don’t write a page from a physics textbook every other post.”

    Looks like the immidiate chain of post #70 and post #73 already nullifies your observation.

    /golfclap

  73. the_man_with The_Answers April 19, 2009 at 11:09 am -      #73

    Whatever, do you get the point? If you don’t look at the middle of this Vs. and thts because we have basically nothing to do besides comment on how each other suck in there own ways. I think we’ve all sunk pretty low.

  74. Thepocalypse April 19, 2009 at 1:03 pm -      #74

    @the_man_with The_Answers
    No, it’s just you.

  75. Thepocalypse April 19, 2009 at 2:02 pm -      #75

    BTW, L-W needs only 2 more comments to reach 1000!

  76. marche April 19, 2009 at 2:05 pm -      #76

    damn,well third place.

  77. Thepocalypse April 19, 2009 at 3:42 pm -      #77

    @Marche
    He doesn’t appear to be around… SPAM!

  78. marche April 19, 2009 at 4:55 pm -      #78

    “He doesn’t appear to be around… SPAM!”
    Yes,all i need is my Joe Espito tape.

  79. L-W April 22, 2009 at 12:14 am -      #79

    Second place huh? Never realized it until now.

    Oh well, jolly good show and whatnot.

  80. qeermanx April 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm -      #80

    mc can kick a 2 ton prototype MJOLNIR armour suit 8 metres, so i can just see the chief kicking the plastoid madalorian 100 metres away.

  81. L-W April 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm -      #81

    “mc can kick a 2 ton prototype MJOLNIR armour suit 8 metres, so i can just see the chief kicking the plastoid madalorian 100 metres away.”

    Bwahahahaha!

  82. the_man_with The_Answers April 23, 2009 at 7:18 pm -      #82

    Remeber, that kick was without MC’s Mak 6 armour and he was 14. That mandolorian is going to go pretty damn far with even one of MC’s weaker kicks. If he can punch as well as he can kick than hand-to-hand is a win for MC.

  83. AlphaCommando April 23, 2009 at 11:09 pm -      #83

    The armor can resist punches to the face from robots that have a strength that make MC look like a 2-year old.

    MC has little chance of winning even in melee unless he aims for joints. Even then Boss would only have to land a few punches of MC to kill him, that wrist-mounted vibroblade is so very destructive…

  84. L-W April 24, 2009 at 9:33 am -      #84

    I was having a drinking session with my Brother who was recently just celebrating his fifth year of residency. Both of us being major Star Wars, the topic soon came up to the power output of a Blaster (Since he also seems to enjoy discussing matters of engineering and physics), to which he related a rather interesting note in regards to heat transfer in organics.

    To full cauterize skin requires over three megajoules of heat energy to accomplish (Pretty basic stuff), to cause skin to glow visibly red hot requires several dozen, to pass clean through a body and evaporate organs, bones, blood and carbonize pure muscle and leave a red hot mark on the other end of gushing molten bone requires energy measured in the hundreds of thousands of megajoules over a prolonged period. Even smaller Blasters are capable of cutting clean through Humanoid sized organisms in a similar fashion.

    The fact that antimatter annihilation tends to produce gram for gram billions of orders more energy than conventional fuels only points further towards the potency of your average Blaster.

  85. marvel man who knows all April 29, 2009 at 8:41 pm -      #85

    i am one off the biggest star wars fan in my county and i know mc so i think its a tie

  86. marvel man who knows all April 30, 2009 at 9:36 am -      #86

    wow rc vs the chief i realy like rc and once likek master chief but i admite the chief will win

  87. marvel man who knows all April 30, 2009 at 9:40 am -      #87

    rc will keep blasting mc but mc has ormor so the chief will shoot him and rc has no energy shields so rc will loos

  88. Matapiojo April 30, 2009 at 10:11 am -      #88

    This multi-garbage-posting hurts my brain…

    Make it stop.

  89. L-W April 30, 2009 at 10:13 am -      #89

    So, this is the result of two mentally challenged people breeding?

    Lest to say it’s somewhat more inane than I could originally fathom.

  90. Megafire April 30, 2009 at 11:10 am -      #90

    I don’t think any of those words exist in any language ever created…

  91. anakin skywalker May 19, 2009 at 10:03 am -      #91

    i say rc becouse he is a republic comando and he is very highly rtained

  92. anakin skywalker May 19, 2009 at 10:06 am -      #92

    sorry wrong speling

  93. the_man_with The_Answers May 21, 2009 at 9:00 pm -      #93

    no comment………..lol………..

  94. billfromattorney September 27, 2009 at 6:03 pm -      #94

    anrt clones created for combat only and can be easily manipulated?
    do they each have the same combat training?
    I know marines have some of the toughest training on earth, but how about a clone?
    Who fights smarter?
    DO they take cover?
    Is it close quarter or long range
    can they use random objects to disguise themsleves as plants or other objects

  95. billfromattorney September 27, 2009 at 6:04 pm -      #95

    Spartans have also been in training from age 6 or 7 to 18
    as long as an actuall sparton from ancient greeece

  96. Inarto September 27, 2009 at 6:20 pm -      #96

    @Bill
    Look at L-W’s earlier post #87. Starwars blasters are much superior then any hand held weapon in halo.
    If by easily manipulated you mean almost %100 loyal to their superiors then yes.

    Now to hopefully provide answers to your questions
    On the subject of combat training I would think the clones have better considering what ARC troopers are capable of and war is all they know.
    Once again that would likely be ARC troopers due to tarining since birth
    Yes.
    Likely long range since neither really specializes in melee combat
    I dont really know about your last question but even iff chief could get the drop on RC the weapon gap is just too much for him to have any chance.

  97. Paladino January 31, 2010 at 10:39 am -      #97

    without armor mc is only a hammer (MC+HAMMER=MC Hammer)

  98. Jackson February 27, 2010 at 12:01 pm -      #98

    Boss has the standard-issue equipment of Republic Commndos, The Plastoid Katarn armor, DC-15 interchangeable weapon set and the EMP grenades (which may disable chiefs shields but thats just speculation). As proven by L-W the basic DC-17a firearm could penetrate Chief’s killing him instantly, not to mention the standard-issue sniper rifle and grenade launcher attachments for Boss’ DC-15.

    Hand to hand i would give chief the edge due to enhanced reflexes, unless anyone knows whether or not the wrist mounted Vibro-Blade can penetrate the MJLONIR suit.

  99. truckman March 30, 2010 at 4:29 pm -      #99

    D38 is most suited to leading a group of 4.

    the Chief too, was trained to lead a group of 4 (or were his teams 3 man, either way, they are both leaders of small fireteams. But the chief is also perfectly at home fighting solo, so i suppose the chief. Plus the chief has more enhancements.

  100. Soldier's Shadow October 17, 2011 at 7:24 pm -      #100

    Up close, can’t the Chief beat down Boss? I doubt he’s as strong as MC physically despite his probably superior weaponry. What’s the strength of the commando’s shields?

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