Published on March 7, 2009, by admin - Posted in Tag Teams 64
While I know each character has some powers that are extremely powerful and some can only be killed in certain circumstances, I don’t see how Galactus could lose this fight.
What say you?
Easily Galactus and Silver Surfer… Silver surfer would take sauron out in a matter of seconds. galactus has more power than morgorth
are sauron and morgoth immortal?or immune to energy draining.
A being capable of becoming a god at full power and a deity-like figure that represents a facet of reality and thus cannot be truly killed versus two guys with some magic tricks. Uh-huh. This would be over in seconds.
Magic tricks?! That’s just mean to Morgoth, who created the concept of evil. And yes Sauron and Morgoth are immortal, their spirits cannot be destroyed, only cast into the void. We can’t know about energy draining seeing as they live in such different realities. I wonder if Morgoth’s will could come in to play though.
Can Galactus actually be permanently destroyed?
If so, Morgoth and Sauron would eventually be the last two, and would return at the end of time even if they were sent to the void. So Morgoth and Sauron could eventually dominate in a long drawn out match for absolute power.
“Can Galactus actually be permanently destroyed?”
According to Reed Richards, no. He is like an element. If they were to destroy him the universe would end, unless the Silver Surfer took up his mantle as the destroyer of worlds.
“Morgoth, who created the concept of evil.”
Evil is a human concept and truly only exists in the eye of the beholder. An extremely intelligent friend of mine brought this up in a conversation and we agreed quite soundly that there is no good and evil.
Our instincts and teachings tell us that any action that harms others is wrong.
But is it? Why? Why should we care?
Anyway, this rant will end here.
“We can’t know about energy draining seeing as they live in such different realities.”
Galactus feeds on energy in all of its myraid forms,he says so himself
When I said evil, I put it badly. And i’ve often thought about those questions myself btw!
Morgoth was the one who tainted reality during the creation of existence. All impurities of the universe and the very principle of all evil stem from him. He was the one that made envy, greed, pride etc a bad thing. And he was second only to the creator. Put it that way
And so Morgoth can’t be destroyed until the end of time, and destroying Galactus would CAUSE the end of time…
Marche, I know what Galactus does, I just meant that working out what his energy draining would do to Morgoth and Sauron would be difficult, seeing as they come from a universe of magic and ancient creatures, where energy draining isn’t exactly a common issue Their particular ancient magic would be very foreign to Galactus, and vice versa.
Actually you’ve gotten it wrong, the death of Galactus wouldn’t cause the end of time itself, merely allow for the imprisoned Abraxas to escape and gradually consume the multiverse.
It’s an issue of causality here.
IT seems like a great match up but Galactus eats worlds well as morgoth is still trying to conquer his first world.
ancient or not,galactus can absorb magic too,he wasonce feed from energy from thors hammer.
i would also like to note that VERY few things are more ancient than galactus,and that marvel is a mixing pot of magic,psionic,technology,and cosmic power,in one multi verse
It doesn’t matter how you spin it, Galactus is in a slightly higher class than Morgoth (His real competition in this match-up). He’s too important to the universe .
“Actually you’ve gotten it wrong, the death of Galactus wouldn’t cause the end of time itself”
In actuality, it would, but very very slowly. The way nature/science works in the Marvel Universe is different from the way it works in our own. Without Galactus devouring planets, the population of the universe would skyrocket until there was more life than resources.
BTW Has anyone read my fanfic?
Galactus consumes sentient biospheres (I would prefer the term noosphere) not to reduce the Universe’s population (That being the job of Death and Eternity) but to maintain his sustenance levels so that Abraxas would remain imprisoned within the “Other”.
Essentially Galactus is the gatekeeper, every Sentient life he destroys is merely a sacrifice for the greater good. That greater good being the continued imprisonment a monster hell bent on the destruction of all reality.
In terms of the gae of the universe, Morgoth/Sauron and Galcatus are as ancient as each other, as they are all beings from/before the dawn of the universe (although Tolkein’s world had only one universe in comparison to the multiverse).
Energy devouring depends on if you look at the spirits of Tolkein’s world as energy or some impossible heavenly presence.
“IT seems like a great match up but Galactus eats worlds well as morgoth is still trying to conquer his first world.”
You have to remember the universe from which Morgoth comes, there was really only one world, Arda, with several planes and areas, which were home to all the existing beings, creatures, spirits and gods, yet Morgoth still managed to bring the world to darkness, and his essence is said to live on through the evil in the world, despite being imprisoned in the void.
Had Morgoth been conceived in to a reality similar to the marvel multiverse, he would also be on a planet destroying scale, although his role would most likely be to ‘corrupt’ planets into darkness.
*age of the universe sorry.
RTFC Galactus is put on trial, Reed Richards states everything i said.
Fantastic Four 2001, Silver Surfer vol. 3, #31, Captain Marvel #27 – 33 disagrees.
Galactus could take this by himself. They all have to be on the same planet, so Galactus would eat them along with the planet.
What say I? Silver Surfer ftw!
“Ok ok……So if you prefer for the 2 to be eaten by Galactus, then Morgoth & Sauron could tear the inside fabric of Galactus”
he doesnt eat them like that.he would drain the mystical energy from them intill he is full.he is virtually omnipotent at this point.
Not knowing too much about Galactus, do the different energies he devours have different effects on him, or do they all simply serve to satisfy his hunger?
And ‘eating’ Morgoth and Sauron’s bodies would not be enough to finish them off, considering their spirits are immortal and can only be banished.
“Not knowing too much about Galactus, do the different energies he devours have different effects on him, or do they all simply serve to satisfy his hunger?”
Just varying levels of satisfaction. Populated planets seem to sate him more quickly.
Currently Galactus requires planets with a Sentient population to satisfy his hunger.
I just hope the Comics version of the Silver Surfer is stronger than the NES video game version of him. Otherwise Galactus might as well be alone.
You mean the Silver Surfer who would *die* upon contact upon with a wall? That game did nothing to correctly depict abilities of the Power Cosmic, such as the ability to pass through solid matter!
What were they thinking?! The Silver surfer can take a punch to the face from the Incredible Hulk and return to normal seconds later, yet striking a wall at a speeds equatable to an Elderly shuffle is enough to fatally wound him?
Yes, I mean that embarrassing worthless pile of filth with a side healping of crap video game. Hell, I don’t even need to play it to see how bad it is… and I don’t even need to know anything about the Silver Surfer to know that he might as well be a paraplegic if the video game had any accuracy. I would feel very bad for Galactus if this was what his ally was truly like O_o
Morgoth and Sauron.
These are not people with a few magic tricks. Morgoth is a god, second in power only to the creator of the world of Arda. Creation of the raw construction blocks of life takes more power than simple destruction or absorption. Even the power cosmic, from what i’ve seen, has to alter already existing atoms into something else rather than just forming it out of nothingness. Morgoth created the evil creatures of the world, dragons, trolls, balrogs, without any previous creatures to malform.
Morgoth does have the potential to destroy the world of Arda… but why would he. If it was destroyed he wouldn’t be able to rule it.
Sauron versus Surfer is closer, but still the power of the ring, allied to Saurons already massive strength and power (In a set of official game rules where strength is measured from 1 – 100, sauron had 140. The Creator of Arda, whose name escapes me, had 185.) does make a huge difference.
Give the magic users some credit, they are a god and a warrior of dr strange-like magic prowess and huge might to boot.
Jwlynas, good points there. Some people tend to forget just what Morgoth and Sauron are. But Morgoth did not simply create dragons, trolls and balrogs from nothing. In fact, creation of conscious beings was a power only the creator (Eru/Iluvatar) had. Even beings created without him needed his blessing to be given sapience and self-awareness. Although Morgoth strived for the power of creation, he could only twist existing life, and hence ‘mocked’ Eru’s creations, creating trolls etc through mutilation and magic.
Morgoth did however play a role in the creation of existence itself. He, along with the other Ainur gods (of whom he was the strongest), were able to grant Eru the vision of the universe through music. Morgoth’s discordant, arrogant music battled with that of the other Ainur and was woven into reality itself, corrupting many, and tainting creation.
Eru, that was the name I was looking for!
And I was mistaken, i thought he and the balcsmith god created their own creatures. Morgoth with his monsters, and the Blacksmith God (Curse my fallible name-memory) with his creation of the dwarves/dwarfs…
Ah well, we live and learn.
Even so, I’m still rooting for Morgoth and Sauron on this.
Aulë is the name you’re looking for there ;D
And yes he created the dwarves, but they were nothing but emotionless puppets untill Eru ‘blessed’ them with the flame imperishable, (although, being a nice guy, Eru labled them as ‘second’ to his creations of men and elves.)
Morgoth simply ruined all the ‘nice’ things and installed them with fire-breath and general disgustingness. Although God knows how he made the dragons. Breeding bats and snakes?
But the Balrogs (and Sauron of course) were Maia corrupted by Morgoth.
I’m almost ashamed at my incomplete lore knowledge… ah well, I was partially right here and there.
Another fun stat-fact.
The Balrog of Moria was level 35.
Morgoth was level 485.
Not the most useful things, but still worth mentioning.
“Glaurung(Father of all Dragons), Ungoliant(Ancestor of Shelob) were Maiars too……”
There’s no proof that Glaurung was maia. Morgoth could have bred him in Angband from whatever unknown creatures.
And I know about Ungoliant
He had 485?! So he’s almost 3 times as strong as Eru??
I’m not sure if Glaurung was a Maia, after all he was killed by Turin Turambar, who is a mortal (but one hell of a badass). Also, Glaurung was bred by Morgoth, whereas the Maiar were created by Eru Iluvatar. Despite this he was the most powerful of the non-winged dragons (the most powerful of all dragons being Ancalagon the Black), and the most cunning of all.
I know he’s not, I was just wondering how that was possible. Most likely a mistake. And I’m calling him by his easier to type name!!
I don’t know why Sauron and The Silver Surfer were included here, their power pales in comparison to the other two. With this scenario you run into the same problem as several other matches: One Godlike indestructible entity vs another Godlike indestructible entity.
Galactus may or may not be able to devour Galactus, and Morgoth may or may not be able to corrupt Galactus.
Now That would be an interesting outcome. Galactus isn’t truly evil, he is just carrying out his duty to protect the universe, so what if Morgoth pulled him into darkness, a task that would, essentially, have Galactus bent to Morgoth’s will.
i think the point was to let the lesser beings duke it out.
i will go for galactus and the surfer galactus is so powerfull even without the surfer he can destroy a planet
well, I think that sauron and morgoth because: 1, morgoth is a god and sauron is a half god (under morgoths will). 2, you cant kill a god, but u can kill a half-god. 3, you guys are fucked in the head!!! who thinks they can kill a god!? also, the silver surfer gets fucked up by the fantastic shitballs, and Galactus is a fucken animation that can suck hairy camel balls!!!!
if you read up to now, you guys are fucked!
you lot BLOODY MAD BUT I LIKE IT MORGOTH AND GALACTUS COME FROM BEFORE THE BEGINING OF THE UNIVERSE BUT I FAIL TO SEE WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING
“the silver surfer gets fucked up by the fantastic shitballs, and Galactus is a fucken animation that can suck hairy camel balls!!!!”
How does that explain how Morgoth/sauron wins?
Team evil FTW.
Morgoth and Sauron are god-like beings. Morgoth is a Valar, and Sauron is a Maia. However, Sauron has achieved a level of strength equal to or surpassing a Valar. He can even create life, something I believe even Morgoth has trouble with.
While Galactus is certainly at their level, the Surfer is not. Sauron would crush the Surfer first, and then the double-team would break Galactus. While Morgoth, Sauron, and Galactus are all nearly unkillable, the Surfer can be destroyed, and that’s just what team evil is going to do.
Oh, and of the argument that Galactus’ death would destroy the multiverse . . . that won’t matter. If Morgoth/Sauron considers the destruction of a multiverse vs. them losing in the fight, he’ll tell y’all to screw the multiverse, and then proceed to pulverize team Marvel.
@ Mr. Ahem
“He can even create life, something I believe even Morgoth has trouble with.”
May you please enlighten one who is ignorant of this knowlegde with an example of how Sauron created life? Thank-you
– pondering fool
“Morgoth and Sauron are god-like beings. Morgoth is a Valar, and Sauron is a Maia. However, Sauron has achieved a level of strength equal to or surpassing a Valar. He can even create life, something I believe even Morgoth has trouble with.”
Neither Sauron or Morgoth or any other LotR diety can create life other then Eru. The Urukai, Orcs and Trolls aren’t truly alive, they are mere mockeries of life.
Galactus on the other hand, is fully capable of creating life.
“While Galactus is certainly at their level, the Surfer is not. Sauron would crush the Surfer first, and then the double-team would break Galactus.”
Nope, not correct at all. In fact, I think the Surfer would have a fairly easy fight against Sauron. What does he have to do? Simple. Just turn the air in contact with the One Ring to the lava of Mount Doom.
He can come up with numerous other ways of dealing with the dark lord. Banish him into a black hole, trap him (kill him?) in the core of the earth, leave him behind in hyperspace in an eternal loop across the universe. Sauron has not displayed the same level of power that Surfer has in the past.
I have no opinion on Galactus / Morgoth yet.
What powers does Sauron show in combat? In the Silmarillion (hoped i spelled that right) Sauron has shown the ability to shape shift into a Vampire/Werewolf/ Humaniod form. But besides this (and his incredible strength/intellegence), what else does the Dark Lord have up his sleves?
For Morgoth, combat is not the greatest of his talents (compared to his abilities to corrupt, command, and create mockeries of life). A good example of this (and if some people disagree I understand) is his duel with Fingolfin (an elf King)
“When Fingolfin, the High-king of the Noldor, learned of the defeats and heavy casualties of the Noldor, in despair and anger, he rode alone upon his war-horse, Rochallor, across Anfauglith to challenge Morgoth to single combat. The Orcs fled at the rumour of his approach. When Fingolfin arrived at gate of the fortress of Angband, his challenge to Morgoth was accepted. They fought a great duel in which Fingolfin wounded Morgoth seven times with his sword Ringil. Yet, he was felled by Morgoth’s mace, Grond, and crushed beneath Morgoth’s foot. Fingolfin’s body was borne away by Thorondor, King of Eagles. Morgoth was permanently scarred by these wounds and from then on walked with a limp. Many accounts hold he never left his fortress again during the wars.”
– wikipedia: Silmarillion
Not to say at all Morgoth is not powerful, but he was permantely scared by an elf warrior who had no superpowers. Of course, SS and Galactus have a long list of powers, such as matter malipulation, FTL speed, and etc…. I just don’t see how Team Evil here could pull of a win. If someone knows how, please tell.
I think the srfer would be flying at Sauron whilst morgoth and galactus duke it out, then be clothes lined by a mace of pure evil magic off of hs board. Then Sauron would steal the bored, kil the surfer, and use the boards power to assist his master in destroying this so-called “gatekeeper”
Wow, grammar fail.
“Then Sauron would steal the bored, kil the surfer, and use the boards power to assist his master in destroying this so-called “gatekeeper””
Do you understand the silver surfers board?
Even being knocked off it he has a telepathic link to the board,and its not like sauron has enough power to tussle with SS.
Hey, if doom could steal the board, and hes only human, hy can’ the lord of all evil? And who said anything about fighting? the surfers weak without the board.
Again, grammar fail.
No,in a non-canon movie the F4 knocked him off his board,which(contrary to popular belief) does not take away his power,because the power cosmic DOES NOT come from his board.
Well i didn’t know the movie was non-canon. And btw, i just got a star. What r they for?
The star is just to display how many comments you have.
haha. Galactus and Surfer in time for dinner.
Sauron was defeated by A SWORD wielded by A HUMAN. Admittedly it was an opportune swipe that resulted in him losing the ring of power, but nonetheless A HUMAN beat him. Surfer would look at sauron and he’d crumble.
Surfer would then get swatted by Morgoth, distracting Morgoth for a bit while Galactus nullifies the bastard. Goodnight Irene.
Morgoth’s power shaped existence. Sure Galactus eat’s planets, but he didnt cause the big bang to occur, far from it. Morgoth shaped the laws and rules to reality with Eâ (God).
Morgoth and Sauron would win on infinity clause. If Galactus were to try anything against Morgoth or even Sauron his mind (while near infinite) would be destroyed instantaneously. He would become a puppet of either of them.
Morgoth did get harmed by Fingolfin, but that only goes to show how insanely strong Fingolfin is. Their fight lasted for fourteen years straight.
I don’t even consider the Silver Surfer a contestant.
“Galactus didn’t cause the big bang to occur”
What? Galactus is the beggining and the end of the 616 universe,he started he’ll end it and then re-start it.
Also,you do know that Galactus is carrying around a universe-buster (The Ultimate Nullifier) ?
“Galactus also requires his armor to help regulate internal energies. As Galactus must continuously feed to sustain himself, his power levels are inconsistent throughout any given period. For this reason, Earth’s heroes have been able to achieve various degrees of success in repelling, or defeating, a starving, weakened Galactus. A starving, weakened Galactus has shown susceptibility to the Images of Ikonn spell, which forces him to recall all of the beings he has destroyed as a result of his feeding” From the mouth of Jack Kirby, the creator of Galactus.
I’ll grant that he is ancient as time itself, and can survive through Big Bang’s and possible Big Crunch’s, he exists as a subset of the universe(s). He exists inside of them, Morgoth is a superset to the universe, he exists outside of them. He cannot be killed or even harmed in his non-corporeal form (the one that has power).
Both characters are anthropomorphic personifications, one is of the cosmos, and the other of destruction.
regardless of who would win (morgoth!) It would be a nasty fight to behold
surfer and galactus
“Morgoth’s power shaped existence. Sure Galactus eat’s planets, but he didnt cause the big bang to occur, far from it. Morgoth shaped the laws and rules to reality with Eâ (God).”
Mate, I believe you are mistaken. Ilúvatar (“Father of All”) created the Ainur (the Valar and maiar) and he then showed them a theme, from which he bade them make a great music. Melkor—whom Ilúvatar had given the “greatest power and knowledge” of all the Ainur decided to go off and create his own theme of music (reminds me of Paradise Lost). Some Ainur joined him, while others continued to follow Ilúvatar, causing discord in the music. This happened thrice, with Eru Ilúvatar successfully overpowering his subordinate with a new theme each time. Ilúvatar then stopped the music and showed them a vision of Arda (the world) and its peoples. The vision disappeared after a while, and Ilúvatar offered the Ainur a chance to enter into Arda and to GOVERN over the new world.
Morgoth does not ever “create” anything. He did not create Arda, but helped (or some would say, harmed) Arda, by constantly destroying what the Valar (the good Ainur that serve Eru) tried to shape. I agree, that he is outside the physical reality of the world, but this does not mean he was able to create anything new. He could only create mockeries of life (orcs, trolls, dragons, and etc.).
– the pondering fool
sauron vs the silver surfer, how stupid are you guys?! all sauron needs to do is sommon a huge firery avalanche or turn into a toxic acid cloud and sufficate then melt him(he can shape shift)!!!!
Yeah, being a LOTR fan, I have to say that Sauron/Morgoth win. For one thing, Sauron apparently can change parts of Middle-Earth at his will(as shown in the books). And Sauron was a mere servant of Morgoth. I think Galactus and Morgoth would both kill each other, while Sauron would defeat the Silver Surfer. I mean, there are definately many circumstances. Does Sauron have the one ring? Is there the Nazgul? If those two are true I would think that Sauron would defeat The Silver Surfer with ease (The silver surfer can be easily disarmed, dontcha know. It was demonstrated in the comic and movie)
The battle between Galactus and Morgoth would be different. Morgoth represents all evil in Middle-Earth, so he has the powers of evil on his side. Does he have his Balrogs? Galactus would never be able to take a hit at Morgoth, but Morgoth would never be able to take a hit at Galactus. In the end they would just destroy each other with all the power exerted.
,,I agree, that he is outside the physical reality of the world, but this does not mean he was able to create anything new. He could only create mockeries of life (orcs, trolls, dragons, and etc.).
– the pondering fool”
Valar could create life but not sentient, Yavanna created all plants and animals. Creating intelligent beings requires souls which only Eru can give (so called Flame Imperishable), when Aule created the dwarves they were just puppets of his will, alive but not independent only later accepted by Eru. Morgoth wanted servants that are truly sentient so he took other already existing beings (like elves, who were the Children of Iluvatar) and from them made orcs, trolls and others. Werewolves and dragons were said to posess some evil spirits in them, but that wouldn’t be a problem for Morgoth. Though he could not create souls, he could pervert and capture them by necromancy:
(…) To call on them is folly. To attempt to master them and to make them servants of one’s own will is wickedness. Such practices are of Morgoth; and the necromancers are of the host of Sauron his servant.’ Morgoth’s Ring (on the nature of fear-spirits)
There are also references of monsters sent by Morgoth which were hunted by Orome (so probably such creatures like flying mounts of Nazgul, Watcher in the Water before the gates of Moria are one of those)
The Dragons were independent (sorta), but the Valar created the Ents and Eagles.
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