Goku Vs Itachi Uchiha

Goku (Dragonball Z) Vs Itachi Uchiha (Naruto)

Here is a match in which I’ll confess to not know much other than that Goku can go head to head with Superman, so that must mean something.

So, dear reader, who wins this fight?

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4,473 Comments on "Goku Vs Itachi Uchiha"

  1. Doktor Doctor April 2, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #4401

    The shoe seems to be on the other foot now.

  2. GuardianAngel1911 Warden of Demonreach prison for Eldritch Abominations April 2, 2013 at 11:40 am -      #4402

    @Sadot
    Gendrons said the same thing before Kratos lost to Dresden. Your reminding me of him in this debate all you’ve done is the same thing he did say you are right and we are wrong and we haven’t disproved anything and we just hate x because he’s awesome (x=Kratos or Itachi) even when everyone says you are wrong you keep saying “no I’m right I debated you people are just making stuff up/lying/using things I said were wrong”
    @Tarbel
    was a rough guess from the Dragon Balls being used to remake the moon once

  3. GuardianAngel1911 Warden of Demonreach prison for Eldritch Abominations April 2, 2013 at 11:45 am -      #4403

    @Dr. Doctor
    Yeah, bunch of people read through this mess and decided the arguments for Itachi were disproven, held no weight or some combination thereof and proceeded to vote for Goku

  4. Doktor Doctor April 2, 2013 at 11:45 am -      #4404

    How fast did Piccolo blow up the moon? It took him like a second, right? Any way to gauge speed of ki attacks from that?
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    All Goku could have to do is flick his wrist too, and he can more likely than not flick his wrist faster than Itachi.

  5. GuardianAngel1911 Warden of Demonreach prison for Eldritch Abominations April 2, 2013 at 11:47 am -      #4405

    pretty much.

  6. Doktor Doctor April 2, 2013 at 11:49 am -      #4406

    I mean:
    A) It was a base ki attack, not a special one.
    B) I can’t remember, but it was in the space of the same few frames that the attack hit the moon.
    C) It was early on in the series, things have gotten much more powerful since then.

    Worst case scenario, Goku gets caught, but fires off a moon-busting ki attack that Itachi can’t dodge anyway.

  7. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 12:04 pm -      #4407

    @ doc
    In the anime scene it was about 7 seconds from the time the beam left piccolos hand to the actual destruction of the moon.
    In the earlier Jackie chun/Roshi moon bust it was about a second or 3 longer than piccolo’s. I caleced that beam speed ( picollo’s) to about 1/6c in the Goku vs Dante thread

  8. Doktor Doctor April 2, 2013 at 12:08 pm -      #4408

    That’s Dassadec.
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    I doubt Itachi is dodging anything that is greater than or equal to 1/6 the speed of light, and in a quick draw, Goku is capable of reacting to similar attacks all the time, so my deduction is that Goku will react and attack faster.

  9. Doktor Doctor April 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm -      #4409

    “That’s”
    Thanks. xD

  10. sadot06 April 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm -      #4410

    @Tarbel Power levels aren’t a measuring system. They don’t measure anything specific and there is no formula for it. It was a gimmick Toriyama came up with for the purpose of making it easier to understand who was supposed to be stronger.

  11. sadot06 April 2, 2013 at 12:23 pm -      #4411

    @Guardian

    Making imaginary comparisons between me and some other person isn’t improving your terrible argument. All I’ve done in this thread is debate with facts.

    @Doktor

    Dragon Ball is horribly inconsistent. Ki blasts generally aren’t fired that fast. Instances of lazy writing don’t apply when determining what Goku will do. He’s not going to start the match with a moon busting ki attack. He’s going to take a second or 2 to anayalze his opponent, get in a stance, and charge forward.

  12. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm -      #4412

    @Dassadec

    “In the anime scene it was about 7 seconds from the time the beam left piccolos hand to the actual destruction of the moon.”

    Well obviously, without a possible doubt this MUST have been time dilation of a huge magnitude, they sped up the scene dramatically because it would have been boring for the audiance to watch it slowly move toward the moon :D /sarcasm

    But yeah, even if the beam were that fast that does not allow you to generalise all beams are from all techinques. This beam was amped with the power to blow a moon, theres no logical argument for Goku fireing a moon buster at Itachi.

    @Tarbel

    “Burden of proof still rests on the claim that Itachi’s genjutsu will work on Goku.”

    I have yet to see a real comparison or reason why it wouldnt work on Goku though, other than “has has more ki” which has yet to be properly addressed. People like to claim no limits fallacy when such a fallacy is not being made, its not a fallacy to suggest Itachi could control more ki/chakra if the amount of chakra is even relevent.

  13. Doktor Doctor April 2, 2013 at 12:56 pm -      #4413

    “But yeah, even if the beam were that fast that does not allow you to generalise all beams are from all techinques. This beam was amped with the power to blow a moon, theres no logical argument for Goku fireing a moon buster at Itachi.”
    Maybe not a moonbuster, but Goku could easily fire some attack at equally great a speed without much effort.

  14. PrimusxPilus April 2, 2013 at 1:09 pm -      #4414

    @Dr
    Actually I’d feel that’s against Kakarot’s CIS. He wouldn’t ki blast a Krillin lvl being, he’d just Recoome them. Still a win, but the CIS is dictating the method

  15. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 1:15 pm -      #4415

    @Doktor

    “Maybe not a moonbuster, but Goku could easily fire some attack at equally great a speed without much effort.”

    How do you know a beam with less power would travel as far/as fast as a moonbusting level of energy? From what I have seen animewise this moon busting speed is an outlier, other beams appear ot be much slower when the DBZers fight eachother. This could of course be something to do with atmosphere, perhaps the reason they appear slower on world is that in space their faster.

  16. Tarbel April 2, 2013 at 1:18 pm -      #4416

    “I have yet to see a real comparison or reason why it wouldnt work on Goku though, other than “has has more ki” which has yet to be properly addressed. People like to claim no limits fallacy when such a fallacy is not being made, its not a fallacy to suggest Itachi could control more ki/chakra if the amount of chakra is even relevent.”
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    You have no solid proof that Itachi CAN control more ki/chakra. This is burden of proof upon Itachi. This would be fan extrapolation, to put it in your terms.

  17. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 1:20 pm -      #4417

    No, your right I dont. But thats not answering my question, is there a source that makes it clear “amount” of ki/chakra is relevent to this particular technique?

  18. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm -      #4418

    other beams appear ot be much slower when the DBZers fight eachother. This could of course be something to do with atmosphere, perhaps the reason they appear slower on world is that in space their faster.
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    “When dbzers fight each other”. This part of the statement is key and you seem to ignore the fact that they are operating on similar levels to each other.

  19. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm -      #4419

    @Dassadec

    So your premise is that all beams are 1/6c, therefore all DBZ fighters fight/react/dodge and move at 1/6c to avoid them or something?

    I dont even need to say it….

    One outlier like this does not a precedent make. Also using the anime, the level of other fighters has nothing to do with the relation of the beams travel to the environment.

  20. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm -      #4420

    r. This could of course be something to do with atmosphere, perhaps the reason they appear slower on world is that in space their faster.
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    Well Kamehameha was effected by gravity when Goku was training at 100g barely climbed against it and eventually slammed Goku in the face so you may have a point. But tht would make their beams even faster since it would have to break free of the atmosphere before getting to the vacuum of space to increase speed as you are suggesting

  21. Tarbel April 2, 2013 at 1:37 pm -      #4421

    I’m not fluent enough in Naruto to answer that. But at the least, DBZ has shown that at higher amounts, ki is harder to control, apparent when Goku’s Kaio-ken technique rips his body apart from overusage.

  22. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 1:40 pm -      #4422

    Larger chakra is more difficult to control with shadow possession jutsu which runs on the samekind of chakra- yin or yang I can’t remember which- as genjutsu so on that I’d say yes, it is more difficult to control a huge mass of chakra

  23. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 1:42 pm -      #4423

    Well sure harder to control for the user, ki being their own personal energy this makes sense. I would compare someone not used/capable of X amount of ki akin to someone obese and unfit trying to go beyond their limit by sprinting. That does not give much room for comparison though between a technique like Genjutsu and Chakra. Ill let Naruto fans answer this one, as I have hoped for previously.

    @Dassadec

    “Well Kamehameha was effected by gravity when Goku was training at 100g barely climbed against it and eventually slammed Goku in the face so you may have a point. But tht would make their beams even faster since it would have to break free of the atmosphere before getting to the vacuum of space to increase speed as you are suggesting”

    It would simply mean Piccolos energy he put into this beam could break the atmosphere. Not sure how ki works, being a spiritual energy concering gravity but if those blasts fired by Goku were slower under 100g this may be one suggestion, may not prove it but its a suggestion.

  24. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 1:42 pm -      #4424

    It took dozens of shadow possession users to stop 10-tails for even less than a minute.

  25. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 1:45 pm -      #4425

    Does that work a similiar way to Genjutsu? Is it clear Genjustsu can be “no sold” by someone with more Chakra than itachi for example? Or that amount of chakra can no sell the technique?

    You said it took “many” users to stop the 10-tails so maybe this is a case concering technique. I dont know the context though, is there a scan? Maybe a set of them?

  26. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm -      #4426

    It was before he was even ready for 100g training it went from 20 to 100 by accident and he fires a kamehameha upward. It struggles against the 100g and loses its momentum, falling back to hit Goku in the face. Afterward his kamehameha is unfettered by 100g when he works his way up to that kin of training

  27. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 1:50 pm -      #4427

    Yeah the shadow possession runs on the same type of chakra as a genjutsu, as Sadot said yang release I believe.
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    It took lots of them because they knew they couldn’t stop it with just one user. The jutsu they used was the same as they each used individually just used it on the same target

  28. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 2:18 pm -      #4428

    It sounds like quantity concering Chakra can>Quality. Wheras, in DBZ, quality is more important, since even several people at once in DBZ consistently have problems with one powerful person.

  29. Tarbel April 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm -      #4429

    “It sounds like quantity concering Chakra can>Quality. Wheras, in DBZ, quality is more important, since even several people at once in DBZ consistently have problems with one powerful person.”
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    Where are you basing this from?

  30. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm -      #4430

    Based on the fact in Dassadecs example a “lot” of people doing the same thing can gain a victory as opposed to in DBZ, every time the power scale goes up previous weaker fighters seem to be bested easily. Cell can beat most DBZers and requires Goku, Buu did something simliar, Bills in the scenes shown makes short work of the DBZ group but Goku can somewhat contend.

    Quality>Quantity apparently in DBZ. I cant imagine a handfull of people on Piccolos scale or Krilins scale puting up as much of a fight vs Bills as Goku can.

  31. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 3:23 pm -      #4431

    To be fair it was a lot ( as in an army in the 10,000 ish area) vs the Jyuubi. And the shadow possession was only a ” hold it for a few moments” success used by ~ 12 shadow users and a mind transfer from Ino as well and Jyuubi broke their hold on it.

  32. Kitten Lord April 2, 2013 at 3:36 pm -      #4432

    This creature seems to have some good resistance to their efforts. Also what did people mean when they said a 9 tails or 10 tails or w/e was pure chakra.

  33. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #4433

    The tailed beasts are exactly that: a mass of chakra given form. The 10 tails is the true form of the 9 individual tailed beasts. Gathering the 9 beasts together recreated the 10 tails. The 10 tails was broken into the 9 beasts by the Sage of 6 paths( pretty much the god of the Narutoverse) to keep it from rampaging across the world.

  34. Dassadec April 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm -      #4434

    The Jyuubi’s resistance to their efforts is the point I wanted to make for chakra being difficult to control when it is a massive amount. As you were asking for so , yeah more chakra is difficult to manipulate/control. Even Ino( the girl who uses mind transfer to possess bodies of her opponents can be thrown out of the minds of those with too much power for her to deal with as well

  35. Tarbel April 2, 2013 at 3:51 pm -      #4435

    “Quality>Quantity apparently in DBZ. I cant imagine a handfull of people on Piccolos scale or Krilins scale puting up as much of a fight vs Bills as Goku can.”
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    That’s neglecting the fact that the powerful fighters tend to have much greater ki, to the point that it’s borderline unimaginable, or outright trumps all of the lesser fighter’s ki levels combined.
    Raditz > Piccolo and Goku, yet the latter two win because of technique and taking advantage of his tail.
    Nappa > Piccolo, Gohan, Tien, and Krillin’s power levels almost match up to Nappa’s power level, yet he trumps them easily because his is greater.
    Vegeta > Goku and Goku won with technique.
    Perfect Cell never fought more than one person because he and the fighters agreed to fight in a one on one tournament, and used Cell Jrs. with the same power as he had to fight each person rather than face them one on one. Cell’s powerlevel easily surpassed each individual which is why he won.
    Buu only fights one on one with any character.
    Bills fights against Goku who has the SSJ3 form, which doubles the power of SSJ2, greatly surpassing all the power levels of the lesser characters combined. Bills also displays a better technique which is essential in their matches as he takes out Goku using a specific blow to the neck (much like a karate chop).
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    -
    “Quality>Quantity apparently in DBZ”
    Quantity of ki or power level is what tends to dictate the outcome of a fight, except for cases where one fighter has a special technique (Kaio-ken), better fighting skills, or takes advantage of character’s weakness.

  36. hellboy147 April 2, 2013 at 4:20 pm -      #4436

    “The power of this form is great enough to allow Goku to fight on par with the God of Destruction Bills; whereas previously, Goku’s Super Saiyan 3 form was given an absolute defeat by Bills. This form also allows the user to sense godly ki, and they can absorb attacks by consuming ki.”
    _

    Still wondering why he didn’t tried SS4 but that new godly form looks insanely powerful

    dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God?file=SSGTransfo4.png

  37. The King of Games April 2, 2013 at 4:28 pm -      #4437

    Because he he used Super Saiyan 4 that would acknowledge that GT existed and nobody wants that.

  38. GuardianAngel1911 Warden of Demonreach prison for Eldritch Abominations April 2, 2013 at 4:31 pm -      #4438

    Toriyama said GT is non canon and ssgod is the canon ss4 so to speak. It allows Goku a seemingly permanent boost to that level but we’ll have to wait for the new season/series that was announced to know for sure.

  39. sadot06 April 2, 2013 at 5:24 pm -      #4439

    “Yeah the shadow possession runs on the same type of chakra as a genjutsu, as Sadot said yang release I believe.
    -
    It took lots of them because they knew they couldn’t stop it with just one user. The jutsu they used was the same as they each used individually just used it on the same target”

    ___________________________________
    Genjutsu is Yin release. Shadow Possession is Yin Yang release, physical and spiritual energy combined. Merely having higher chakra and resisting physically is enough to tire out a shadow possesion user and make them break the hold.

  40. sadot06 April 2, 2013 at 5:29 pm -      #4440

    “I’m not fluent enough in Naruto to answer that. But at the least, DBZ has shown that at higher amounts, ki is harder to control, apparent when Goku’s Kaio-ken technique rips his body apart from overusage.”

    I mean if we’re talking about Ki control like the Kaio-ken, Itachi summons and controls a huge Guardian deity with a soul sealing sword. As for genjutsu working on a stronger opponent, that’s already been shown multiple times. Kurenai putting Itachi in a genjutsu and Itachi putting Bee in a genjutsu. Itachi is stronger than Kurenai considerably and base form Bee is stronger than Itachi.

  41. Tarbel April 5, 2013 at 12:50 am -      #4441

    I had to post this because of just how powerful it is:
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+30&page=114
    view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+30&page=115

  42. Mike April 5, 2013 at 7:51 am -      #4442

    @tarbel
    -for some reason it opened up on the first page for me, but when searching for what you were talking about(before i noticed the page 114/115 said in the actual links) i did find another planet busting claim on page 40 from vegita, right after he took a shot at 18…
    18: You weren’t serious with that attack
    Vegita: Of course not…..If i were, I’d blow up the planet

  43. StealthRanger April 26, 2013 at 7:57 am -      #4443

    So anyways Goku solos the Narutoverse
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    Then again, thinking about it further, Goku doesn’t need SSGod mode to win this, after all Cell claimed he could bust the solar system despite never doing so, which is justifiable since it would be the same as a scientist inventing a nuke that (he claims) could destroy the planet via mass scattering despite no showings/tests/calculations based off said tests that even suggest such. Pfff, whoever made that argument up is completely retarded

  44. Mike April 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm -      #4444

    what a fucking troll, lmao

  45. ka-tet19 June 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm -      #4445

    quite literally only commenting on this thread because the fact that the comment count was all 4′s was pissing me off.

  46. Soulerous June 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm -      #4446

    You ruined it! Arrgh!

  47. ka-tet19 June 13, 2013 at 5:46 pm -      #4447

    had to be done

  48. Kyuuketsuki June 13, 2013 at 6:10 pm -      #4448

    El Oh El

  49. bonesboy08 July 3, 2013 at 12:31 pm -      #4449

    i like naruto * the show better but goku wins…and demonstratively dbz characters are only planet busters…

  50. 2EZ July 12, 2013 at 4:50 pm -      #4450

    Let me see if I have the current general consensus of this thread for both sides correct before I make my argument/scenario

    Goku supporters: Itachi’s Genjutsu can be easily broken by Goku’s sheer strength/will and in a physical fight it’s obvious Itachi stands no chance.

    Itachi supporters: Genjutsu is an attack on the mind, not the body so it is highly unlikely that Goku would be able to overcome a technique like the Tsukuyomi

    That’s just my basic understanding from reading the last 2 pages because, lets face it, I ain’t reading 4000+ posts

  51. Dassadec July 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm -      #4451

    There are other nuances to it but basically yeah.

  52. 2EZ July 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm -      #4452

    Well in that case I’m gonna have to side with team Itachi here. Genjutsu is a technique that attacks the senses and there are only a few ways to combat it, none of which goku knows, all of which are listed here: naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Genjutsu. In case ya’ll are also too lazy to read here are goku’s best options:

    1. Stop the flow of chakra(ki, energy, whatever the hell have you) then apply an even stronger surge of energy to disrupt it.
    This implies ki and chakra work in the same manner which is ambiguous at best but assuming they do why would Goku think to stop the flow of energy in his body at any moment to fight an opponent? Protip: he wouldn’t

    2. Cause an intense amount of pain to himself to get back to his senses. Again, an unlikely tactic in a battle scenario and that’s assuming Goku realizes he’s being manipulated. Also this technique is more suited to low level genjutsu techniques and I’m fairly certain it hasn’t been used to successfully break the Tsukuyomi, in fact there’s only one time I’ve ever seen in broken and that was by Sasuke who countered it with his sharingan and even in doing so it left him winded

    3. Don’t get caught by it. Itachi’s genjutsu works at the speed of eye contact. No matter how fast you are, your senses have to communicate to your brain before you can react and the moment Goku sees Itachi’s eyes he’s caught. Now the question is would Goku know enough about Itachi’s technique to avoid eye contact? Depends on the very ambiguous rule of “limited knowledge about your opponent” at play here but assuming he did the obvious choice would be to fight Itachi with his eyes closed which I’ll let others debate here who would win such a fight. But running the battle 100 times even with Goku winning every fight where his eyes are closed I see a result of about 60-40 in favor of Itachi.

    Please, discuss

  53. Dassadec July 12, 2013 at 5:41 pm -      #4453

    There is the “ki sense” ability that Goku has which throws the wrench in such a clear cut assessment, basically Genjutsu controls the 5 senses. Ki sense is a sixth sense and would still allow Goku to control his substantially more powerful Ki into outward blasts. Another thing the Goku side doubts is Itachis understanding/ comprehension of just how much damage Goku can withstand. So far as it might be beyond Itachis imagination. But I’ve been on the fence the whole time shouting at both sides lol

  54. 2EZ July 12, 2013 at 5:59 pm -      #4454

    Well there’s a difference between “ki sense” and how goku actually uses his ki. His ability to sense it here wouldn’t help him much unless ki and chakra had similar energy signatures which, again, is really ambiguous. Ki is pure physical energy, while chakra is a mixture of physical and spiritual energy. Since chakra includes at least the base idea behind ki, i think it’s fair to say Itachi would be familiar enough with it to manipulate it no matter how much of it there is.

    As for the damage thing, this is an attack of the mind, not the body. If you’re manipulated to feel pain, you will feel pain even if you can eat planet busting attacks

  55. Motor314 July 12, 2013 at 8:18 pm -      #4455

    actually thats not it
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    the reason why the debate ended in a draw was due to the following.
    -
    No limits Fallacy.
    -
    Goku makes even the juubi look pathetic in terms of power.
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    so how can a being so powerful be caught under genjutsu
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    its a no limits fallcy.
    -
    to counter this dozens of arguments were tossed around.
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    in the end no one could really answer it becuase all of the Itachi supports based thier argumetns on the anime, not the manga. so thier arguments were invalid.
    -
    Goku supporters as well didn’t do either.
    -
    neither side knew what to do with it, so we left it in a draw

  56. Motor314 July 12, 2013 at 8:38 pm -      #4456

    well…
    -
    i have been thinking about the match when he got necroed by katet a few months ago.
    -
    so i wrote something in case it got necroed again.
    -
    now that it has been necroed would anyone like to here my last hypothesis on this?
    -
    i feel it can finally resolve the genjutsu argument. (lol i say that alot)
    -
    but does anyone want to hear it or just leave it be.
    -
    i don’t mind either way

  57. 2EZ July 13, 2013 at 9:48 am -      #4457

    If it was a no limits fallacy then how did the argument end in a draw? Even if the Itachi side was arguing against it wrong, they were arguing against something that’s inherently wrong. As for using the anime instead of the manga for reference, I believe the manga takes precedence in determining things since it was a manga first but the differences between the anime and manga are so tiny that the anime can be a credible source as well. Honestly the only difference is that there’s a lot more gore in the manga, like… A LOT more gore. This debate has the potential to just end up as a draw again so if you want to state your case I think we should put it to a vote, you know, see how many people are willing to hop back on this bad boy. You’ve got one yes from me
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    Also, trying to master this goddamn paragraph split thing

  58. 2EZ July 13, 2013 at 9:49 am -      #4458

    YEEEUUSSSS!!! It worked!

  59. Dassadec July 13, 2013 at 12:28 pm -      #4459

    Because it was kinda a NLF for team Itachi’ genjutsu since Goku levels of Ki/ Chakra have never been seen or even dreamed of in the Narutoverse let alone manipulated ( barring ten tails but that was sharingan- rinnegan both working) so that’s not really applicable. We were content to let it die because it was almost NLF vs NLF. Tsukiyomi being Itachis and Goku’s raw power being the other

  60. 2EZ July 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm -      #4460

    I suppose I see what you’re saying. I’d argue that the inability for someone to control a being as powerful as the 10 tails with the sharingan alone isn’t it’s raw power but the nature of it being creature made of pure energy but then again so is 9 tails and it worked on him… Guess this one isn’t that cut and dry

  61. Dassadec July 13, 2013 at 9:29 pm -      #4461

    “Guess this one isn’t that cut and dry”
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    Yeah you see why we went almost 5k comments lol

  62. Soulerous July 14, 2013 at 4:15 am -      #4462

    Goku wins because he can attack and kill Itachi before the latter can do a thing about it. Itachi’s only chance is Goku hesitating, which he has no reason to do here.

  63. Dassadec August 18, 2013 at 12:20 pm -      #4463

    Fuck it!
    lets take another tally and send it in to admin,
    +1 goku

  64. brosky September 8, 2013 at 4:25 pm -      #4464

    one thing i dont get is how goku ki sense would work on itachi if ki =/= chakra. if goku’s ki sense works why wouldn’t genjutsu?
    how long can goku maintain his powered up forms?
    just a few questions i’d like to have cleared up.
    where is the line for “general knowledge” for each combatant

  65. brosky September 8, 2013 at 4:31 pm -      #4465

    - #4335
    i think Luke could solo the entire narutoverse with ease. without even trying.

    NO way naruto has some people that can take luke nagato, naruto, minato, and the 1st hokage for one each destroy him

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 September 8, 2013 at 4:35 pm -      #4466

    All those a very good questons
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    One rule of FP: Compatibility, which makes Ki=Chakra on here
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    He can maintain, Super Saiyan for a long while, but they get less and less the higher up he goes SS3 was for a little bit if I recall correctly
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    General Knowledge: that’s anyones guess but going of one of the mods here
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    “You have been brought here to fight to the death against an enhanced soldier with a powerful arsenal of ranged weapons. *is given a moment to possition himself* FIGHT!”
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    So just apply that to Goku and Itachi and you can make something of it

  67. StealthRanger October 2, 2013 at 7:21 am -      #4467

    “NO way naruto has some people that can take luke nagato, naruto, minato, and the 1st hokage for one each destroy him”
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    AHAHAHAHA

  68. Hac148 November 29, 2013 at 3:21 pm -      #4468

    Ki and chakra should be fairly the same, as ki is a malleable energy based on the physical ability of the user, where chakra is based on the physical ability as well, but can also be spiritual and effected by bloodline type. chakra is a bit more complex for sure, but they both have a heavy physical element. also, glad to see goku is back in the biggest one on one duel on BankGambling.

  69. Hac148 November 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #4469

    Also, to officially take my shot at the long dead horse, Shouldnt the factoring in of Super Saiyan God, who is not only specifically meant to be canon, but dwarfs the power of the non-canon super saiyan 4, re-open the superman vs goku fight? Not to mention after the movie, that was shown to be a permanent increase to his power. not trying to start a flame war, but still, food for thought.

  70. Xornell November 29, 2013 at 4:09 pm -      #4470

    Not only is Super Saiyan God’s canon status questionable, but it has literally 0 showings in the way of feats. So does Bills for that matter. He even struggled with SSJ2 Vegeta. And I don’t recall God Mode being a permanent increase in anything. In fact, Vegeta said he wants to be the one to go SSJG next time. So no, Goku still can’t hang with Supes lol.

  71. Jake_Uzumaki November 29, 2013 at 4:11 pm -      #4471

    As I recall that was already discussed…by other debaters and decided that despite it being a massive increase in power….he still gets bitch slapped into atoms at lightspeed by anyone Superman tier.

  72. Hac148 November 29, 2013 at 4:19 pm -      #4472

    @Xornell
    Akira Toriyama specifically made battle of gods as the only movie to be unquestionably canon. He didnt want to leave on the SS4 note, and personally i dont blame him. And while SSG doesnt have real feats outside the entire bills fight, it has comparative feats, based on the fact that ss3 was a 6 second inconvenience to bills, and ss3 has feats. my comment on god mode permanence is because after he shifted into SS for the duration of the fight, his power was remarked at as the same level as god at that point, despite being just super saiyan, implying he has the power outside of the god mode now. none the less, i understand, just wanted to throw it out there.

  73. Jake_Uzumaki November 29, 2013 at 4:20 pm -      #4473

    @Xornell
    It is permanent in that as long as he can remember the feeling he gets the fighting in space and increased power level. However he is not able to keep the red hair red eyes red eyebrows and red aura or the only really hax aspect which is absorbing ki. Hell technically it still wasn’t enough to beat Bills at best it was a draw where Bills ran out of energy just slightly after Goku and decided at least it was a good fight but was about to nuke Earth to HFIL but realized he was out of power and so told them that he’s the weakest god out there and to enjoy. Then Vegeta makes that comment.
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    Basically SSG’s form can only be accessed by short bursts by a single individual, Goku managed to force the transformation long enough to not die by a starbusting attack and absorb it but otherwise he couldn’t use the transformation and the hax power, but the actual increase in power is permanent if….completely useless because Goku still couldn’t win and basically just held Bills off until he needed to go back to sleep….and if the other gods are powerful enough Bills is the weakest….unless there is a new series and Goku’s power skyrockets his new name is doormat. Also Vegeta was stated by Goku to now be the stronger of the two so Vegeta doing a better job against Bills than Goku did before SSG makes sense as Goku is now the weaker of the two.

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