Goku Vs Itachi Uchiha

Goku (Dragonball Z) Vs Itachi Uchiha (Naruto)

Here is a match in which I’ll confess to not know much other than that Goku can go head to head with Superman, so that must mean something.

So, dear reader, who wins this fight?

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  1. Envoy February 25, 2010 at 5:53 pm -      #101

    ““Anyway, Itachi wins….all in favor!?”

    /raises hand”

    I meant Goku, it was a typo, my bad……

    Goku wins , all in favor?

  2. theobserver February 25, 2010 at 6:53 pm -      #102

    “Goku wins , all in favor?”

    read most of the comments…I’m siding with Goku…

  3. Yamato-kun February 25, 2010 at 6:56 pm -      #103

    “Goku wins , all in favor?”

    I am

  4. Darkbladex96 February 25, 2010 at 7:44 pm -      #104

    Goku for the FP award.

  5. uchiha February 26, 2010 at 11:08 am -      #105

    itachi wins no doubt about it.

  6. Ryushi February 26, 2010 at 11:13 am -      #106

    Uchiha, stfu I am a Naruto fan but I just gotta give this to Goku, just way too much raw power here.

  7. uchiha February 26, 2010 at 11:18 am -      #107

    the sharingan has no limits an this is the case of itachi he has no limits the sharingan is to much for goku and thats the only truth.

  8. Belisaurius February 26, 2010 at 11:57 am -      #108

    whose to say that the sharingan can’t cause distruptions in someone’s ki? Chakra and Ki seem to have similar properties and Tsukiyomi is basicly a form of hypnosis and hypnosis works without chakra to begin with.

  9. Ryushi February 26, 2010 at 12:22 pm -      #109

    Look I understand what your saying Belisaurius, but raw power is raw power,maybe normal Goku could lose, but Itatchi is human, Goku isn’t, but can someone please remind me what species he is? I’m unsure if the species was named Sayan.

  10. Envoy February 26, 2010 at 12:42 pm -      #110

    “whose to say that the sharingan can’t cause distruptions in someone’s ki? Chakra and Ki seem to have similar properties and Tsukiyomi is basicly a form of hypnosis and hypnosis works without chakra to begin with.”

    And that is ECXACTLY why the illusions wont work, Ki and chakra are defined in their own universe as the same exact thing, so when Itachi casts a genjutsu, a slight change in goku’s power levels(300-800) would disrupt it , because he has that much energy. A little change to goku is a HUGE change to itachi, for everything else, goku has speed, and can dodge itachi’s attacks.

    FP Award
    4-2
    In favor of Goku.

  11. Belisaurius February 26, 2010 at 12:45 pm -      #111

    And yet, we have Naruto who’s chakra is HUGE compared to everyone elses, is more suceptable to hypnosis than anyone else in the anime.

  12. uchiha February 26, 2010 at 12:55 pm -      #112

    it does not matter if goku is from another planet he still has a brain, heart and every thing like a human do you remember when goku had that virus on the heart he was almost dying so his brain is the same a tsukiyomi would have a effect on goku for sure so the tsukiyomi would totally demage goku

  13. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 8:04 pm -      #113

    well first of all you have to be aware of the genjutsu, which he usually isnt, than he has to be able to break the flow of chakra which he couldnt because itachi skill in genjutsu far outweights the defense that jariya gave him.

    he cant hold him in the tsukiyomi, the black flame would never reach his skin, the only hope for itachi is hitting goku with susanoo’s sword which probably isnt gonna happen.

  14. Belisaurius February 26, 2010 at 9:11 pm -      #114

    @Darkblade
    Ah, but how is this different that where Goku is, no real defense against it and not smart enough to unwind or spot the illusion.

    Also, why aren’t the flames touching Goku?

  15. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 9:24 pm -      #115

    different because a slight shift in goku’s power is far beyond what itachi can counterbalance, and goku has more combat experience, he’s likely to notice the foreign energy manipulating his own.

    Gokus Ki Aura,these flames would have to go through that first which is highly unlikely.

  16. Belisaurius February 26, 2010 at 9:27 pm -      #116

    @Darkblade
    They’re as hot as the sun, it kind of makes planet busting capabilities look downright pedestrian.

  17. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 9:35 pm -      #117

    most definitely a hyperbole if something were as hot as there sun on earth it would destroy the atmosphere is exterminate all life.

  18. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 9:37 pm -      #118

    “is exterminate all life”.

    and exterminate all life.

    srry for the type-o

  19. EnigmaJ February 26, 2010 at 9:46 pm -      #119

    “most definitely a hyperbole if something were as hot as there sun on earth it would destroy the atmosphere is exterminate all life.”

    The temperature of magma can reach 1/3 that of the temperature at the surface of the sun.

  20. EnigmaJ February 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm -      #120

    “They’re as hot as the sun, it kind of makes planet busting capabilities look downright pedestrian.”

    It takes the amount of energy generated by the Sun in two full weeks to completely destroy an Earth sized object.

  21. Belisaurius February 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm -      #121

    @Enigma
    …hold one, let me check my math.
    3.83×10^26 Watts vs 5.9736 × 10^24 kg

    One watt being enough to move one kg one meter in one second. Earth’s escape velocity is 11.2km/s…
    damn, just under.

  22. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 10:21 pm -      #122

    “The temperature of magma can reach 1/3 that of the temperature at the surface of the sun.”

    really, if thats true then those figures mustve been taken from magma at athe deepest lvls of the outer core, because its hard to believe that anything on earth is near that temp. without incenerating everthing around it. you are aware that’s 5,778 k

    K = (°F + 459.67) × 5/9

  23. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 10:36 pm -      #123

    needless to say you dont want stuff that hot nxt to you

  24. Envoy February 26, 2010 at 11:29 pm -      #124

    “And yet, we have Naruto who’s chakra is HUGE compared to everyone elses, is more suceptable to hypnosis than anyone else in the anime.”

    But compared to goku, who has enough energy to destroy the solar system(NOT his MAX, just the last given title, If we dont count the movies), the only creature in naruto that could HOPE to match goku, even by a little bit is the 10 tailed beast, or the Original Sage(the first ninja). And that would be against the freiza saga goku.

    “it does not matter if goku is from another planet he still has a brain, heart and every thing like a human do you remember when goku had that virus on the heart he was almost dying so his brain is the same a tsukiyomi would have a effect on goku for sure so the tsukiyomi would totally demage goku”

    Yet tsukoyomi has no ways physical damage, the only thing it can do is cause psychological trauma, the problem is if he tries psychological tourture, it will get goku worked up, causing a change in his ki, shatering the illusion.

    “Gokus Ki Aura,these flames would have to go through that first which is highly unlikely.”
    Goku has never made a Ki sheild on his own before, or I just havent heard of it, regardless, Goku moves faster than the eye can see, Itachi needs to see his oponent to target them with amatseratsu.

    “They’re as hot as the sun, it kind of makes planet busting capabilities look downright pedestrian.”
    So you mind telling me when an uchiha has said this, or is that hyperbole?

  25. EnigmaJ February 26, 2010 at 11:51 pm -      #125

    “So you mind telling me when an uchiha has said this, or is that hyperbole?”

    Naruto Databook

  26. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 11:56 pm -      #126

    you you expect a ninja handbook from a universe that hasnt acheived space flight of any sort to understand how hot the sun possibly is, if the black flames were that hot. they’d have evaporated the lake killer bee was in, and when itachi released it it would kill everything in the area even itachi.

  27. Envoy February 27, 2010 at 1:23 am -      #127

    ““So you mind telling me when an uchiha has said this, or is that hyperbole?”

    Naruto Databook”
    That HAS to be an exageration, if it wasnt, then how could you explain the raikage’s survival of this tech, or how come the site of itachi’s final battle wasnt left as slag by the time naruto and co. got there.

  28. EnigmaJ March 1, 2010 at 7:56 pm -      #128

    I never said that I thought that statement held much truth to it. In my opinion, the whole concept of “temperature” can’t be applied to this technique very well. Its a magical black flame that seems to “burn” mostly everything it comes into contact with- stone, normal flames, and even water.

  29. Envoy March 2, 2010 at 8:40 pm -      #129

    @EnigmaJ

    That would make sense, I’ve read it described as “hell’s flames” in the manga, I have no doubt it would incenerate goku if it caught him, but it follows the users eyesight, so goku would just move faster than itachi could see and knock him out, quite easy for goku’s level of strength and speed.

  30. Darkbladex96 March 4, 2010 at 1:59 pm -      #130

    the whole point off the reason why the black flames wouldnt be enough is because
    1. goku would just move faster than the eye could see
    2. they’d take too long to incenerate him.

  31. uchiha March 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm -      #131

    itachis eyes wil be able to follow goku no matter how fast goku is itachi will see goku on slow motion

  32. Marche March 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm -      #132

    @uchiha
    No limits fallacy.
    That is all.

  33. shaun182 March 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm -      #133

    wait goku can fly, teleport, move so quickly he becomes nothing but a blur, has the energy to blow up planets multiple times over, dish out and take energy blasts, and punches that can shatter mountains with a single hit.

    and people still thing he going to lose, okay then

  34. Darkbladex96 March 5, 2010 at 7:41 pm -      #134

    @uchiha
    i would like you to prove to me that itachi’s eyes can keep up with goku, a being who moves around mach 1000+ when it takes a fully developed sharingan to keep up with crimson chakra naruto who isnt even supersonic in movement speed.

    you have no proof to support itachi, your just blurting out random fan boyish statements.

  35. Belisaurius March 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm -      #135

    So what’s to stop Itachi from simply traumatizing Goku into freezing up for a second?

    Itachi has demostrated a knack for psycological torment, as seen when he captures Naruto in a simple genjutsu.

    Given that Goku is an experienced fighter, simple pain isn’t going to do. Deep emotional trauma is a far more effective means of torture.

  36. Nintendopwns March 5, 2010 at 8:03 pm -      #136

    I have thought that Goku would win from the start.
    Goku for FP award.

  37. Belisaurius March 5, 2010 at 8:10 pm -      #137

    @nintendopwns

    Not until you prove that Goku can withstand a powerful psycological assault.

  38. Darkbladex96 March 5, 2010 at 8:11 pm -      #138

    @beli
    he’d have to catch him in the genjutsu, hold him in the genjutsu, and if he traumatizes Goku thn all goku’s CIS is gone so chance off the planet going Ka-boom rise dramatically.

    beside im more than confident in the fact that the amount of energy goku is putting out will make it impossible for itachi to use any genjutsu effectively.

  39. Darkbladex96 March 5, 2010 at 8:13 pm -      #139

    to maintain genjutsu itachi has to manipulate you chakra with his. and counteract yours with his. do you think that itachi can do this with goku?

  40. Belisaurius March 5, 2010 at 8:55 pm -      #140

    @Darkblade
    To your first point, Goku is an honourable fighter. He thinks nothing of looking his opponent in the eye. Charging Ki, also takes anywhere from minutes to hours (or entire plot arcs.)

    To your second, Naruto has inhuman quantities of chakra, which is analogious to ki (actually creating chakra involves mixing Ki with psychic energy.) yet this offers him no protection whatsoever against genjutsu.

    To your final, a genjutsu creates a disturbance in someone’s chakra which, in turn, causes a malfunction in the sensory cortex. The actual energy needed is miniscule, since the sensory cortex never carries a charge over a couple volts (the world would seem painfully bright and noisy, otherwise.)

    And a final point should be made, although Goku is not human, he shares the same genetic design as humans do. Otherwise, Gohan would never of have been born or at the very least be fertile enough to father Pan. Thus, human and saiyan physiology is very similar.

  41. Siggymansz March 5, 2010 at 9:17 pm -      #141

    “To your final, a genjutsu creates a disturbance in someone’s chakra which, in turn, causes a malfunction in the sensory cortex. The actual energy needed is miniscule, since the sensory cortex never carries a charge over a couple volts (the world would seem painfully bright and noisy, otherwise.) ” wow that is pretty mutch a more indepth version of what i thougt genjutsu was also you ninja d me

    (what i was going to say copypasta) I always thought of genjutsu that its disrupts the flow of *insert energy here* but not the level so he could have a power lvl of 9001 a genjutsu isnt going to change that just disrupt it

  42. Nintendopwns March 5, 2010 at 9:36 pm -      #142

    To be frank Goku doesn’t have to do much to kill Itachi.

    A punch from Goku would knock him off his feet from the shock wave alone.

    He is not human, Goku has more than a few volts in his sensory cortex if he can tell what he is doing in light speed conditions.

    Goku is pure of heart Illusions do not work easily on him even very good illusions.

    Breaking Goku’s mind may have bad results for Itachi IF it could happen.

    A)blows up planet
    B)recovers quickly.
    I’m sure anything Itachi thinks of can’t be to bad, you are talking about someone that has gone though death several times, seeing his home planet blow up, seeing his family slaughtered before his eyes nothing Itachi thinks up will really faze him not to mention it would probably just piss him off making his ki rise and knocking Itachi on the ground not to mention when he was young he learned a technique for battle that allowed him to fight without thinking.
    Any physical pain he thinks up will be ticks to Goku at the most.

  43. Nintendopwns March 5, 2010 at 9:41 pm -      #143

    chakra=/=Ki
    Chakra spiritual energy of living things
    Ki= physical energy of living things

  44. Megaraptor18 March 5, 2010 at 9:56 pm -      #144

    Don’t forget if him dreaming about his family’s death fills him with rage and energy and makes him stronger as seen here.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ3_rzLpMTk

    and when his best friend is killed by Frieza later on he grew even stronger. If Itachi tries to create Illusions where Goku sees his friends and family killed. It will greatly backfire

  45. Belisaurius March 5, 2010 at 10:49 pm -      #145

    @nintendoPwns

    Then you suffer from a woeful lack of imagination.

    Goku sees his strength as a shield for his loved ones, but what if you inverse the equation. What if you put an illusion of him killing his own family?

    Worst case scenario, he absolutely snaps and ends up destroying himself and the entire planet with him. That’s a draw when you get down to it.

    Best case, he suffers a nervos breakdown and goes catatonic.

    Most likely, goku will unconciously realize that his own power is a threat to everyone around him and will subconciously reject his own power. This can be reinforced via genjutsu.

  46. Envoy March 6, 2010 at 5:50 pm -      #146

    “To your first point, Goku is an honourable fighter. He thinks nothing of looking his opponent in the eye. Charging Ki, also takes anywhere from minutes to hours (or entire plot arcs.) ”
    Yet, any emotional change in goku would put his ki in flux, shatering the illusion.

    “To your second, Naruto has inhuman quantities of chakra, which is analogious to ki (actually creating chakra involves mixing Ki with psychic energy.) yet this offers him no protection whatsoever against genjutsu. ”
    1) Naruto has nowhere near enough energy to compare to goku
    2) Naruto is not known for extensive chakra control
    Goku is know for both VAST amounts of ki, and major control over it as well.

    “chakra=/=Ki”
    Not in my book.

    “Chakra spiritual energy of living things”
    Show me a single spirit using chakra.

    “Ki= physical energy of living things”
    Yet the dead have and use this energy, and the living can sense those who are dying or the dead with ki.

  47. shaun182 March 6, 2010 at 5:59 pm -      #147

    by the time itachi even comes up with a strategy to fight,
    goku would have flown a thousand feet in the air and blew up the continent he’s on.

  48. VincentValentine_117 March 6, 2010 at 6:08 pm -      #148

    there’s only one way itachi could win.
    he’d have to have a clone distract him and while he’s distracted use the amaterasu to engulf him in dark flames. but knowing goku he’d see through the trick and dodge, so all in all. goku for the FP award.

  49. Whacko March 6, 2010 at 6:12 pm -      #149

    Vincent, you are supremely ignorant.

  50. VincentValentine_117 March 6, 2010 at 6:14 pm -      #150

    @whacko
    how so? i’m simply stating what’s obvious. goku would win this, more than likely before itachi had time to blink.

  51. Whacko March 6, 2010 at 6:20 pm -      #151

    Show me a single occasion Goku speedblitzed an opponent he viewed as vastly inferior to himself, and was a good guy. If you can the argument might be used. But last time I checked, he don’t even speedblitz his worst, most hated enemies. Even after Frieza killed Krillin, Goku used a lot of time to just stand there and stare before making his move. That’s how he does things.

    Plus, have you completely forgotten all about Itachi’s nifty illusions? Who would need a clone with those things around?

  52. Megaraptor18 March 6, 2010 at 6:23 pm -      #152

    “Show me a single occasion Goku speedblitzed an opponent he viewed as vastly inferior to himself, and was a good guy. If you can the argument might be used. But last time I checked, he don’t even speedblitz his worst, most hated enemies. Even after Frieza killed Krillin, Goku used a lot of time to just stand there and stare before making his move. That’s how he does things.”

    Only if we remove CIS. Which we do here in BankGambling

  53. Whacko March 6, 2010 at 6:25 pm -      #153

    You would need to erase his personality as a whole. Of course, you could do that and Goku has the power to destroy Itachi. Use the chars as they are, and Goku would do nothing but lol around.

  54. TheSorrow March 6, 2010 at 6:34 pm -      #154

    @Megaraptor18
    Actually we don’t remove CIS in BankGambling, but Itachi will still lose fast.

  55. Megaraptor18 March 6, 2010 at 6:35 pm -      #155

    Check the rules

    “Plot Induced Stupidity and Character Induced Stupidity

    PIS and CIS refers to 2 different things.

    PIS is a plot device used to make characters forget to use their powers or alter thier durability and strength.This is not considered in debates,Stormtroopers may come to mind when it comes to this.So does squirell girl.

    CIS is used in debates.This means characters place restrictions on themselves purposely,or because they are oblivious to them.”

  56. EnigmaJ March 6, 2010 at 6:44 pm -      #156

    “Show me a single occasion Goku speedblitzed an opponent he viewed as vastly inferior to himself, and was a good guy.”

    Technically, Goku may not even be so certain of this. He may be able to sense Itachi’s chakra levels and see that they are apparently lower than his, but the ability to hide your true power level and suppress your ki so that your enemy doesn’t know your real strength is so common in DBZ, Goku would probably go all out from the beginning.

    “But last time I checked, he don’t even speedblitz his worst, most hated enemies.”

    The thing is, Goku doesn’t even have to TRY to speedblitz Itachi. As I mentioned several dozen posts ago, it’s Goku’s reaction timing that would trump Itachi. If Goku can avoid Ki, a energy that can move at massively hypersonic, if not relativistic speeds, then Itachi lifting his hand a few feet at a slow pace ( as he usually does ) would appear to be occurring at a slow-motion pace to Goku. With Goku’s level of perception, Itachi may not even seem to move at all.

    Goku may not “nuke” the continent from the start because of CIS or one shot Itachi, he could just as easily “knock-out” Itachi from the get go or immobilize him before his illusions take place. As I mentioned before, this is an “equally likely” scenario to the former.

    Itachi’s normal Genjutsu would probably cancel out shortly after Itachi used it against him because of the massive amounts of disturbance Goku’s Ki creates. However, Tsukyomi seems somewhat different from normal Genjutsu. Because Goku probably wouldn’t be immune to it, Itachi could potentially kill him with Tsukyomi, he has to catch him in it first.

    For Goku to win:
    1- He has to decide to finish the fight by immobilizing Itachi before the ninja can even move.

    For Itachi to win:
    1- He has to decide to use Tsukyomi first, because Genjutsu would be pretty much ineffective.
    2- Goku has to, for whatever reason, decide to listen to Itachi speak ( which would allow him to use Tsukyomi ).

    Itachi probably COULD win this given the right circumstances ( he has to rely on getting Tsukyomi off ), but Goku has many more options up his sleeve.

  57. EnigmaJ March 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm -      #157

    @Megaraptor18

    “Plot Induced Stupidity and Character Induced Stupidity

    PIS and CIS refers to 2 different things.

    PIS is a plot device used to make characters forget to use their powers or alter thier durability and strength.This IS NOT CONSIDERED in debates,Stormtroopers may come to mind when it comes to this.So does squirell girl.

    CIS IS USED IN DEBATES.This means characters place restrictions on themselves purposely,or because they are oblivious to them.”

    PIS is not allowed because it’s basically plot. CIS is allowed because it’s apart of the character.

  58. VincentValentine_117 March 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm -      #158

    @whacko
    i don’t need to. the debates eliminate CIS meaning he’s fighting to kill itachi, which he could do without so much as changing his breath pace.
    1.) he could fly into space and blow the crap out of the planet (where’s itachis illusions then?)
    2.) goku’s speed is downright unreal (btw, speedblitz makes no sense as you are saying “speed lighting” when translated, seriously, WTF does that mean?) whenever he fought against the red and blue guy, when they tried to hit him he simply moved just enough to get out of the way, but it looked simply as if the attack went through him, and when it showed his feet there were small indentions in the ground slightly oulining his feet. can itachi match that?

  59. TheSorrow March 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm -      #159

    I did, maybe you didn’t read it right. “CIS IS USED IN DEBATES. This means characters place restrictions on themselves purposely,or because they are oblivious to them.”

  60. TheSorrow March 6, 2010 at 6:47 pm -      #160

    Darn it EnigmaJ you beat me to it!

  61. VincentValentine_117 March 6, 2010 at 6:48 pm -      #161

    wait, nvrmnd, i was thinking of PIS. my bad, but the second part of my post still applies

  62. Megaraptor18 March 6, 2010 at 7:25 pm -      #162

    Oops misread on my part I stand corrected

  63. Belisaurius March 6, 2010 at 7:45 pm -      #163

    @Vincent
    Actually, most ninjas can move too fast to be tracked optically. Itachi has demonstrated that, at the very least, his hand seals are too fast to be noticed even by foes expecting them.

  64. VincentValentine_117 March 6, 2010 at 7:54 pm -      #164

    @ belisaurius
    if you’re referring to the rising whirpool attacks then he didn’t need handsigns for those, it was a sharingan ability. not a jutsu.

  65. Belisaurius March 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm -      #165

    @vincent
    The sharingan doesn’t mean that you can bypass the hand signs. See Kakashi Vs Zabuza.

    Also, emotional shifts would not be enough to break a genjutsu. In fact, the more emotional a victim gets, the harder it is to break the genjutsu. see itachi vs Naruto in shippuden.

  66. Envoy March 6, 2010 at 9:18 pm -      #166

    “Also, emotional shifts would not be enough to break a genjutsu. In fact, the more emotional a victim gets, the harder it is to break the genjutsu. see itachi vs Naruto in shippuden.”
    ….Do you understand that a small change for goku is a huge change for itachi?

  67. Belisaurius March 6, 2010 at 9:39 pm -      #167

    @Envoy

    yes, and frankly, it doesn’t matter. genjutsus effect the mind like a computer virus affects a, well, computer. It doesn’t matter if it’s over clocked or capable of playing Crysis with top graphics settings, the virus is still going to keep working.

    Remember, chakra =/= Ki. Chakra = ki + psychic energy according to Kishimoto. Goku would have to not only power up physically, but mentally as well.

  68. EnigmaJ March 6, 2010 at 9:43 pm -      #168

    “Chakra = ki + psychic energy according to Kishimoto.”

    Chakra equals spirit and physical energy.

  69. Belisaurius March 6, 2010 at 9:50 pm -      #169

    Doesn’t ki = physical energy?

  70. Nintendopwns March 6, 2010 at 9:55 pm -      #170

    You think goku is stupid psh.
    He just wasn’t schooled that doesn’t make him stupid.
    Goku can adapt quickly and learn techniques from someone else almost instantly.
    I think that makes him qualified to be a fighting genius.

  71. EnigmaJ March 6, 2010 at 10:03 pm -      #171

    “Doesn’t ki = physical energy?”

    Ki is comparable to the Chinese concept of Chi, or the life force running through all living things. Chakra is made up of not only this “spiritual energy”, but also normal everyday physical energy. Spiritual is an intangible force you have running through your body. Physical energy is the normal energy your body and cells needs to do work.

    But anyways, mental energy certainly isn’t a apart of Chakra.

    “Remember, chakra =/= Ki. Chakra = ki + psychic energy according to Kishimoto. Goku would have to not only power up physically, but mentally as well.”

    Oh, now I see what your saying. Chakra is made out of spiritual and physical energy. While Goku apparently has way more Spiritual Energy ( Ki ) than Itachi and can easily cause it to fluctuate, Genjutsu is canceled out by disturbances in Chakra, which is both physical and spiritual energy. So while Goku can easily create disturbances in his spiritual energy ( Ki ), whether he has a better time fluctuating his physical energy ( the other ingredient of chakra ) than a normal person is still up for grabs.

    Meh, then I guess the argument about Goku being affected by Genjutsu can be made either way.

  72. Belisaurius March 6, 2010 at 10:13 pm -      #172

    @nintendopwns

    Haven’t you ever heard of an idiot-savant? Saiyans have a natural aptitude for fighting, but more intelectual pursuits baffle them. Case in point, how many saiyans does it take to build a space ship?

    Anyhow, in the original dragonball, he fell for roushi’s sleepy boy technique.

  73. Megaraptor18 March 6, 2010 at 10:16 pm -      #173

    “original dragonball, he fell for roushi’s sleepy boy technique.”

    You know he was a kid in that series right

  74. VincentValentine_117 March 6, 2010 at 10:24 pm -      #174

    @belisaurius
    not what i meant. i meant that the whirlpool thing he attacked kakashi with was caused by itachi’s sharingan, not by a jutsu. and if you recall, kakashi used less handsigns than zabuza and his water dragon appeared at the same time, mind explaining how that happened?

  75. Nintendopwns March 6, 2010 at 10:38 pm -      #175

    Case in point, how many saiyans does it take to build a space ship? That is such a bad example. Vegeta has a high IQ, bardock had a above average IQ.
    If you are going to classify knowledge do it in a none biased matter.
    IQ depends on where you are raised,genetics, and the times.

    Goku knows just about everything to do with Earth and the like because he has experienced it, meaning he probably knows more than Itachi.
    Itachi could learn more than Goku but he does not know more due the time period he is living in.

  76. Envoy March 7, 2010 at 11:00 am -      #176

    “Doesn’t ki = physical energy?”
    Well the living and the dead have used it, so I doubt its a worldly energy.
    I’ve never seen any real “religous” methods used to increase ki, how exactly is physical energy acheived in naruto?

  77. Nintendopwns March 7, 2010 at 2:17 pm -      #177

    Rock Lee is one of the Naruto characters that can only use ki.
    ki is kinetic energy.The first 2 letters being the keyword “ki”.

  78. EnigmaJ March 7, 2010 at 2:44 pm -      #178

    “how exactly is physical energy acheived in naruto?”

    Training, exercise, etc. It’s normal physical energy or stamina.

    “ki is kinetic energy.The first 2 letters being the keyword “ki”.”

    Ki is not kinetic/physical energy. Its based off of Chi, the same thing spiritual energies from other animes are based off of.

  79. Envoy March 7, 2010 at 7:54 pm -      #179

    “Training, exercise, etc. It’s normal physical energy or stamina. ”
    Then its obvious goku has this stuff in droves, if he he can control it IDK. But it should be noted that by charging their ki, goku and vegeta have overcome their physical limits, so it counts for something, posibly more than just “half” of the chakra equation.

  80. Siggymansz March 7, 2010 at 8:33 pm -      #180

    ….ok correct me if i am wrong but i read the argument as this

    (not qoutes just in a nutshell) “Goku is immune or very resistant to genjutsu because

    A) “Goku is pure of heart Illusions do not work easily on him even very good illusions.”

    B) goku has Ki Ki is half of Chakra therfore an imbalance of Ki = no genjutsu

    C) something i missed”

    well Rock Lee one of the Only Naruto characters to use Ki is VERY VERY BAD at resisting genjutsu now i could be pulling this outta my ass but goku uses Ki
    so maybe genjutsu would fuck him up

  81. VincentValentine_117 March 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm -      #181

    “so maybe genjutsu would fuck him up”
    eh, probly not. genjutsu works based on the perceptiveness of the target, if they’re dumber than a doornail, they’re gonna get anal raped, if they’re a brainiac or just combatically observant (much like goku’s case) it won’t work as well as it should, genjutsu is just an illusion after all.

  82. Siggymansz March 7, 2010 at 8:54 pm -      #182

    …..you realize genjutsu isnt just a visual illusion right?

  83. Siggymansz March 7, 2010 at 8:55 pm -      #183

    also my “argument” was that a genjutsu would not be nulified by increase or whatever of Ki

    but again genutsu is not limited to visual illusions

  84. Belisaurius March 7, 2010 at 10:22 pm -      #184

    @vincent

    actually, it’s the other way around. The more sensory processing you’ve got, the more vulnerable you are to someone messing with that sensory perception.

    There was a filler episode which explained all this.

  85. Envoy March 8, 2010 at 6:50 pm -      #185

    “There was a filler episode which explained all this.”
    Since when did filler mater?

  86. rinnegan April 19, 2010 at 3:54 pm -      #186

    rikudo sage would kill goku hands down.

  87. TheGrimHeaper April 19, 2010 at 4:09 pm -      #187

    “rikudo sage would kill goku hands down.”
    I find that absurd.

  88. rinnegan April 20, 2010 at 4:47 am -      #188

    why do u find that absurd is the truth hes a god and theres no one that can beat him

  89. Goku FTW April 21, 2010 at 3:28 am -      #189

    Goku wins … because he ist stronger faster and on SSJ – SSJ4 100000000000x stronger like itachi

    i think Goku wins with one… Ka-Me-Ha-Meeeeee-Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^^
    or one Big Bang ;)

    Peace

  90. Envoy April 21, 2010 at 8:30 am -      #190

    “why do u find that absurd is the truth hes a god and theres no one that can beat him”

    He is godlike at best, but I doubt he could kill goku.

  91. Whacko April 21, 2010 at 8:51 am -      #191

    “He is godlike at best, but I doubt he could kill goku.”

    He could probably kill Goku if he got his way with it. However, in a fight lacking CIS he’d get some serious problems.

  92. Envoy April 21, 2010 at 8:58 am -      #192

    I wonder where the 10 tailed beast came from anyway, aliens?

  93. Whacko April 21, 2010 at 9:11 am -      #193

    No idea. But if it was hell bent on killing off humanity, I have a hard time seeing how our species could have gotten past the ape stage with that massive monster rampaging. It probably came later.

    Or an alien as you say. And alien footsoldier.

  94. Naruhina fan May 9, 2010 at 1:52 am -      #194

    Goku wins.
    I really like both of them but if I have to pic, it will be Goku.

    Goku is a saiyan and he can go super saiyan 4, he is really strong and he can get even stronger after he gets bit up.

  95. CIDE August 2, 2010 at 12:27 am -      #195

    While the Sharingan at any level does of course increase visual perception it would by no means help here. This would be much like the Lee Vs Sasuke fight. Sasuke could see Lee; it didn’t mean he could DO anything about it. His own physical speed was just too slow.

    Also, it’s been proven that even someone in the Narutoverse can dodge Amaterasu. Raikage did it when fighting Sasuke. Thus making that attack null and void.

    In order for Tsukyomi to work also they would need to make eye contact (or to a lower level for Utakata to work Goku would need to look at his finger). That said there’s no promise that would happen. There is also an issue someone else brought up too: the illusion would get Goku worked up and thus causing a massive fluctuation in his ki. Right there Genjutsu is broken.

    On a side note Goku doesn’t need to move really fast. He can teleport; something Itachi can’t see or deal with in any way.

  96. Belisaurius August 2, 2010 at 12:35 am -      #196

    Naruto tried massive fluctuation of his Ki.
    It got worse.

    Anyhow, the tsukyomi pretty much isolates a person from their physical body, distorting even their sense of time and rendering them helpless while in the effect.

    Also, when has Goku NOT looked his opponent in the eye?

  97. Laharl August 2, 2010 at 12:52 am -      #197

    ‘isolates a person from their physical body” um… Goku is even stronger without his body lol.

  98. MEGADOOMER August 2, 2010 at 1:02 am -      #198

    Why is this thing still going on?! Goku can BLOW UP PLANETS! I’d like to see one of Naruto’s sandle wearing friends do that. Please Admin, End this now! Think of Goku! He has bigger fish to fry. Like Superman.

  99. Belisaurius August 2, 2010 at 1:06 am -      #199

    @ Laharl

    He also tends not to think his way out of his problems.

    More power just means more destruction. Not very good when your foe can read you like a book and mind rape you at the drop of a hat.

    Also, when has Goku ever shown to have anything but raw power.

    Finally, the mind is sped up tremendously during tsukyiomi, but the body still functions in real time. If Goku tries to power up, it’s going to take the better part of a day subjectively ( .02 seconds for everyone else) before he gets his power. Furthermore, while Goku’s body is fast enough to keep up with him at a compressed rate, it’s going to be hell on his body and a complete waste of energy as he can’t sense anything.

    This, of couse assumes he can move.

    Also, this is different circumstances from being dead, as he retains a physical form.

  100. DonoftheDen August 10, 2010 at 2:32 am -      #200

    out of a thousand battles with percentages and averages who would win more including all the utilitys goku has compared to itachi goku will win more fights out of a thousand fight simulation, a guy that can destroy planets and can fly at an absurdly fast pace and a guy thats on his two feet all the time, goku hands down

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