Richard the Lionheart Vs Saladin

Richard the Lionheart Vs Saladin

While these two were real-life rivals, they never met each other face-to-face. Both were considered great leaders and both accomplished much during their lives. They also had a mutual respect for the other as demonstrated by the exchange of gifts they sent to each other.

But getting down to business, if these two had to face each other in the ring, who would win?

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10 Comments on "Richard the Lionheart Vs Saladin"

  1. Cpt Olimar February 25, 2009 at 3:33 pm -      #1

    woah! You mean a fight between two normal people with NO superpowers or magic or special equipment! Is this the first for the website?

    Seriously, I don’t have an idea, someone would have to have done some serious research on these guys in combat, as real life commanders are not necessarily the most elite of warriors.

  2. Expertimp (Rob) February 25, 2009 at 8:03 pm -      #2

    I’ll go with Richard the lionheart here.. he seems to have the advantage

  3. Matapiojo February 26, 2009 at 2:34 pm -      #3

    Im with Olimar on this. Anyone found anything on their individual training/skills? That side of their history seems rather obscure.

  4. JoshMcFace February 27, 2009 at 11:18 am -      #4

    Richard the lionheart because he has an awesome title and because I live in England not Egypt.

  5. AlphaCommando February 28, 2009 at 1:30 am -      #5

    Same as Mata, have no actual knowledge about these two’s actual skills in swordsmanship. I know plenty about their campaigns and life but nothing about their actual skills.

    However; I can speculate.

    Richard was a European swordfighter, meaning he wore chainmail and was trained to fight with his longsword in a stabbing manner allowing him to stab through holes in the mail. Longswords where meant to counter chain because it had good resistance to slashing attacks, this is why the longsword is long and thin, meant to act like a glorified dagger.

    Saladin was middle eastern, meaning that far less people had access to things like mail, and far less wore metallic armors in the first place. The scimitar (of which I believe that Saladin was trained in) is adapted to this by being thick and curved; making it great for chopping attacks against lightly armored opponents, but being less effective against crusader chain.

    Now of course chain for for rich folk even in Europe; but I believe that the fighting styles adapted in their area would mean that Richard would have a slight advantage because of his armor and cultural fighting form.

  6. L-W February 28, 2009 at 4:14 am -      #6

    Very little is known of either combatant biographically sans Richard’s death at the hands of a Child armed with a Crossbow and tin pot, and Saladin withering away to nothing following the Crusades.

    Very few great Men die on their feet.

  7. El Zilcho February 28, 2009 at 6:19 am -      #7

    I agree with you AC that Richard would probably have the edge in close combat with Saladin. However, you have made one mistake; confusing an Arming Sword with a Longsword (a very common mistake).

    An Arming Sword is a one-handed, two edge sword with a long blade commonly used by knights between the 1000 and the 1300. Richard would have been trained to use this weapon. The Arming Swords was a versatile weapon, which could be used to make quick thrusts or deadly cuts. But the evolution of armour saw a gradual change in this weapon, arming swords slowly became bigger and heavy, hoping to deal with iron and later steel plate.
    Originally longswords were just arming swords with handles designed for two hands so that the wielder could put more force into his blows, but the blades also became bigger and denser, hoping that the extra weight and force would cause more blunt-trauma damage through armour if the blade couldn’t pierce the armour itself.
    It’s an extremely common misconception, and I was thoroughly surprised myself when I found out the difference.

  8. AlphaCommando February 28, 2009 at 10:24 am -      #8

    Ahh yes, I seem to have screwed up my eras, my mistake. Richard died before the conception of plate armor and thus the longsword. Ah well; the Longsword was just a big Arming Sword so I stay true to my speculation (which actually has no base beyond styles of the time).

    It keeps getting stuck in head for some reason that Richard was from a later era, and I have no clue why….

  9. Blood Dancer May 26, 2009 at 2:38 pm -      #9

    Hmmm… Saladin would come out victorious. while richard had heart saladin was a ruthless tactician.

  10. kawika850 October 21, 2010 at 2:03 am -      #10

    a tale once said,
    a knight was captured by Muslims. He took his sword and cut through an iron bar.
    Unimpressed, the Muslim took his scimitar and threw a pillow in the air. in multiple movements, the pillow was instantly shredded. it fell to the ground in total pieces.
    the knight was amazed at this act.

    the European Sword was intended to destroy armor. it was built on a full blade concept that had a fuller (blood groove) to stop the suction ( 0f a wound closing over the blade).
    the scimitar was intended to tactically slash. one could bend the scimitar blade to handle and it not break. it would return to it’s original position. Documents prove this. Today, we can not reproduce the Scimitar in those days. the manufacturing process has been lost.
    it would all come down to Saladin and Richard fighting in their respective styles. both are tactical geniouses. both are capable swordsmen. both could hold their own. I would not predict the outcome. any thing could happen. I would love to tape the battle and put it on youtube. it would go viral instantly. I would love to speak to both of them. Saladin was to have been the most tolerant Mulsim leader they ever had. Richard was to have been the most capable leader of the Crusades.

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