Ghost Rider Vs Spawn

Ghost Rider Vs Spawn

Major grudge match here. And a personal struggle for me as two of my favorite characters face off for bragging rights. I know there are soo many ways each side can win, so in place of logic, I’ll just pick a side knowing that it can go either way.

My pick: Spawn

Who do you think would win?

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215 Comments on "Ghost Rider Vs Spawn"

  1. hellatus February 20, 2009 at 6:13 am -      #1

    ghost rider hands down!

    l00k int0 my ey3s….. aaaghh!!1

  2. Thepocalypse February 20, 2009 at 8:20 am -      #2

    I’d have to go with Spawn, he’s basically a beefed up Ghost Rider with magic, guns, and military training. Though Ghost Rider does seem more resilient as he can be hung, broken up, and shot repeatedly with no effect.
    What would be awesome is seeing them cross their demonic chains and drag each other in like some perverse Lady and the Tramp.

  3. Baron Somebody February 20, 2009 at 9:39 am -      #3

    Something tells me Ghost Rider, but I’m undecided

  4. Matapiojo February 20, 2009 at 9:53 am -      #4

    People are still hung up on Ghost Rider being a demon. It has been stated that he is a heavenly weapon. One meant to defend the gates of Heaven from the wicked. He is the ultimate tool of spiritual redemtion and eternal punishment. The movie is NOT GR’s canon.

    In truth, these two are oposite faces from the same celestial coin. They are both the ultimate soldiers for each side of this struggle. Al Simmons is the strongest of the Hellspawns, while Johnny Blaze is the strongest of the Spirits of Lengeance. They both have the propper tools to take each other out.

    Due to recent events in Spawn, which reverted him to his more basic self, im inclined to give this to the Rider. In truth, without that recent development I would have been completely undecided on this fight.

  5. Battra Boy February 20, 2009 at 10:36 am -      #5

    Its a tough choice, both of them are so good! But I reckon if Ghost Rider could pull of a Penance Stare it’d all be over. I reckon it’d a tie.

  6. Rob (Expertimp) February 20, 2009 at 10:37 am -      #6

    Spawn wins hands down no problem… Ghost rider is basically still human yet turns into his skull form… Give Spawn some real challenges.. he is one of the best fighters on this website

  7. marche February 20, 2009 at 12:33 pm -      #7

    well GR has the tools to beat spawn right?

  8. Matapiojo February 20, 2009 at 1:03 pm -      #8

    The Pennace Stare alone would be absolutely devastating against Simmons, one of the most tormented souls in any story. Not to mention Hellfire could outright exterminate Spawn, and the mystical chain could permanently dismember the demon (decapitation included).

    I’m gonna say, yea. Ghost Rider has the tools to beat Spawn.

    “Spawn wins hands down no problem… Ghost rider is basically still human yet turns into his skull form… Give Spawn some real challenges.. he is one of the best fighters on this website”

    So incorrect. GR is NOT human. He has a human host that acts as an anchor to his power. The Rider is capable of channeling his power through the host, in this case allowing Blaze to control some of it, but he is also able to completely take over.

    It seems that unlike Simmons, the Spirits of Vengeance are birthed from Heaven itself rather than being infused by energies like Hellspawns. Ghost Rider is not only a good challenge, he is perhaps Spawn’s downfall.

  9. Rob (Expertimp) February 20, 2009 at 2:42 pm -      #9

    Spawn can morph into almost any form and can only die by a weapon of heaven which GR does not have. So No he does not have the weapons to beat spawn.
    Spawn has fought against bigger demons then GR and beaten them. I believe GR is very powerful don’t get me wrong but Spawn is the leader of Hell’s army for a reason

  10. Baron Somebody February 20, 2009 at 3:50 pm -      #10

    @Matapiojo

    Not to mess with you or prove you wrong (this is just my assumption) but I thought Ghost Rider was somewhere in the middle? I could be wrong, but he seems too violent and badass to be from Heaven, besides, haven’t angels tried to kill him before?

  11. Matapiojo February 20, 2009 at 3:58 pm -      #11

    See, you just continue being wrong.

    ONE – Ghost Rider IS a weapon from Heaven. ANYTHING he does would be lethal against Spawn. Shapeshifting would mean nothing against a being that can vaporize everything in his vicinity by going nuclear.

    TWO – Same argument can go the other way. Ghost Rider beat Satan out of the material realm and back into his lair below. SATAN. Lord of all Hells. What hope do you think Spawn would have against that?

    TRHEE – Spawn was an extremely powerful being, but he has reverted to his base self. While this is still incredibly powerful, it no longer places him as the leader of Hell’s army. With Mammon trapped in Limbo, Spawn is mostly a free agent these days. He is currently trying to push through out of Hell via the one known as Jim Downing.

    The truth is that both these characters have a good amount of speculation as for what their true capabilities are, but only GR has a point of reference of sorts. I hate to sound like a broken record, but when the Sorcerer Supreme states that the Rider has the power to stop Hulk it is seriously nothing to scoff at. This puts the rider in the play-pen of Thor, Hulk, and the Sentry. Certainly something to consider…

  12. Thepocalypse February 20, 2009 at 4:44 pm -      #12

    Considering Mata’s statement that Spawn has been recently weakened, does anyone think that for the sake of inclusion we should assume characters powers are at the level most people are familiar with from the most well known part of their franchise?

  13. L-W February 20, 2009 at 8:36 pm -      #13

    Even at the height of his malevolence and strength, Spawn could never compete with Ghost Rider simply because every attribute he has come into possession of nullifies almost anything the Hellspawn can produce and utilize in the field.

    Which coupled with his extreme empathetic levels, one Penance Stare would be enough to disintegrate Spawn in a burst of madness and pity.

  14. Jwlynas February 20, 2009 at 11:40 pm -      #14

    One slight issue… Would the penance stare do as nmuch to spawn as you seem to be thinking?

    The guy lives with his past sins every day. He’s been tormented in hell for them already, he knows the pain pretty well by now…

    I’m not denying GR has a lot going for him, but the penance stare might not be one of those things

  15. L-W February 21, 2009 at 12:36 am -      #15

    Spawn has been cursed with a literal sense of empathy that depending on narrative constraints, either cripples or strengthens him (Dependent on the will of the author).

    In previous episodic installments, countless lesser demons intuitive to this empathetic mindset have exploited and crippled Spawn on far too many occasions, in fact living with the guilt is the one thing that Spawn has yet to simply ‘get over’, as he is not only empathetic towards his own past but to that of every other sentient creature he has encountered.

    But the Penance Stare wouldn’t just exploit his own guilt, but would use Spawns weakness as a conduit for every other manifestation of guilt available. Suddenly he is not only crippled by his own demons, but by every other demons in the vast and yonder of human experience.

    Simply living with the burden is a lot different from having every bit of pain and sin manifested in a single, pure singularity of torturing existence capable of destroying worlds.

  16. Jwlynas February 21, 2009 at 3:46 am -      #16

    Ah, well in that case, Ghostie gets the victory.

    Make the call Admin.

  17. Expertimp (Rob) February 21, 2009 at 1:37 pm -      #17

    The stare wouldn’t effect spawn at all as he is the leader of hells army and more powerfull then ghost rider… It’s a pretty good fight but spawn wins.

  18. Matapiojo February 21, 2009 at 3:10 pm -      #18

    Ugh. Care to share any logic aside from “Spawn is awesome?”.

    -“The stare wouldn’t effect spawn at all”

    Read above. The Pennance Stare would be devastating to Spawn.

    -“he is the leader of hells army”

    No, and has not been down this road for quite some time.

    -“and more powerfull then ghost rider”

    Proove it.

  19. Rob (Expertimp) February 25, 2009 at 3:55 pm -      #19

    Ugh. I see a ghost rider big time fan boy upon us… I mean I like ghost rider but the simple fact is he wouldn’t beat spawn… lets break down the ablities:

    Ghost rider
    (Keep in mind Each Ghost Rider entity also had abilities specific to him):
    Superhuman strength and durability,
    Ability to project regular and ethereal flame
    Ability to travel between interdimensional realms and along any surface
    Enchanced Hellfire Chain,
    Flaming motorcycle,
    “Penance Stare”

    Spawn:
    Superhuman strength, speed, durability and endurance,
    Immortality,
    Flight,
    Magical abilities,
    Teleportation,
    Shapeshifting,
    Regenerative healing factor,
    Necroplasmic energy blasts,
    Resurrection,
    Empathy,
    Wears living symbiotic costume capable of evolving

    So the only defense that you say is a reason for ghost rider to beat spawn is he would look deep into his eyes and make Spawn feel guilt.. NEWS FLASH! SPAWN IS DEAD! His emotions wouldn’t phase him. He has far more abilities then ghost rider and who is to say ghost rider even gets a chance to look into his eyes and use the stare. and he is also very valuable as Johnny Blaze and spawn could easily morph into something and take off his head without Blaze even getting a chance to climb on his bike..

    ::FACE::

  20. Matapiojo February 26, 2009 at 11:44 am -      #20

    “Ugh. I see a ghost rider big time fan boy upon us”

    I cannot deny that, in fact I embrace it, but you seem to irronically be callin the kettle black.

    You list the powers, and that is fine, but you have some missunderstandings as well as simple missinformation.

    “Superhuman strength and durability,”

    Correct

    “Ability to project regular and ethereal flame”

    Known in the Marvel universe as Holy Hellfire. You are limiting this power greatly. These are celestial mystical flames that can burn more intensely than the sun or even not harming anything at all. A very common use is to cause damage to the soul rather than the corporeal form. The Ghost Rider has absolute control over this celestial element. He has projected direct outbursts, massive blasts, imbued physical objects, or shape it to form weapons. This is something that would be absolutely lethal to a demonic being such as Spawn.

    “Ability to travel between interdimensional realms and along any surface”

    Correct

    “Enchanced Hellfire Chain,”

    Another oversimplification. This is similar to the Hellfire and the chain can take many properties. It has elongated, shrunk, turned to weapons, and even split to barbed-links used as ranged weapons. This item is incredibly strong and is comparable to Adamantium due to its mystical element.

    “Flaming motorcycle,”

    Not necesarily an oversimplification, but it is. This “steed” is much like the mystical chains and shares many of its properties. It can reconstitute itself if it is damages or disassembled while in its “off” stage. It is also autonomous of the Rider’s actions, essentially becoming an individual character.

    “Penance Stare””

    You are way off on this thing.

    “So the only defense that you say is a reason for ghost rider to beat spawn is he would look deep into his eyes and make Spawn feel guilt”

    You seem to not understand the nature of the Pennance Stare at all. This power causes physical pain and agony by turning your wrongful deeds against you. It is not a glorified hypnosis that makes you feel guilty. Is sears your very soul, something that the continously moping Simmons most assuredly has. This power WILL incapacitate Spawn completely sending him to a perpetual catatonic state, if not outright kill him.

    By the events showed in “Spirits of Venom”, the stare even hurt the symbiote what the Rider used it upon Venom. I don’t see a reason why Spawn’s would be spared. Whats worse, Venom is an alien entity, while K7 Leetha is a demonic symbiote. I am possitive that a HOLY Pennance Stare would decimate this being entirely.

    In addition. The Ghost Rider is also Immortal/Reincarnates, reconsitutes his physical form, and is semi-etherial (meaning he ignores most forms of physical attacks).

    ——————————————————–

    There is one item you must all understand (specially you, Rob). The Spirit of Vengeance manifests in the material realm through its anchor/host, but it is not limited to those manifestations. In order for the spirit to become a tangible force, it uses certain aspects of the host’s persona to attain its material properties. In the case of the Ghost Rider in question, He has a Chain for weapon, and a Motorcycle for mount because of John Blaze, not because thats what the spirit does. In actuality, the holy energies that compose these sentient-like beings are autonomous from that physical manifestation and could quite possibly turn into something far greater.

    In the example of other Ghost Riders, the bike has actually been a flaming horse, or a giant elephant, or even a WW2 tank, while the chain has been a sword, gun, a spear, etc, etc. The actual Spirit of Vengeance has enough “magical” properties to match Spawn’s. If the Spirit decides that it must completely take over its host in order to excert righteous retribution, all bets are off.

    The Bike and the Chain are separate beings that are tied and answer to the Ghost Rider. They are perfect oponents to K7 Leetha in all ways.

    The bottom line is that Ghost Rider, being a weapon of heaven, can kill Hellspawns and make them STAY dead. No demon has proven capable of such. Not even Zarathos absorbing the Rider kept the Spirit of Vengeance out for the count. Even Satan admited to not being able to kill Ghost Rider. He is literally beyond Spawn’s power.

  21. L-W February 26, 2009 at 8:22 pm -      #21

    Just to complement Mata’s previous point, think of the Penance stare as less of a cheap Las Vegas stage trick, and more of a mind destroying force of Holy retribution capable of flaying your soul and consuming your body in the purifying flames of Heaven.

    Ever been blinded by pain to the point that every nerve, synapse and neuron in the body feel as if they are burning in a most excruciating manner? Well have you ever been consumed by such pain that even your soul proclaims “Screw this, I’m out of here”?

  22. Cpt Olimar February 26, 2009 at 10:04 pm -      #22

    haha that would screw a lot of villains over in just about any universe. I wonder if it would affect the Joker, considering he is so mad that his soul probably left him a long time ago, lol. Although maybe the same thing could be said for spawn, yet it would still affect him.

  23. L-W February 26, 2009 at 11:14 pm -      #23

    In Morrison’s JLA title, the Martian Manhunter, trapped in a surreal maze created by the Joker, used his shape-shifting abilities to reconfigure his own brain to emulate the Joker’s chaotic thought patterns. Later in the same storyline, Martian Manhunter uses his telepathic powers to reorganize the Joker’s mind and create momentary sanity, though with great effort and only temporarily. In those few moments, the Joker expresses regret for his many crimes and pleads for a chance at redemption.

    In the few instances that the Joker is rendered “sane”, he almost immediately begins to break down violently in tears and repent (Almost committing suicide out of sheer guilt before his sanity recomposes itself in some cases) his actions.

    There exists some regret in the Joker, he still has a strong Human side, it just needs to be coaxed or forced out.

  24. Cpt Olimar February 27, 2009 at 1:45 am -      #24

    Then I take that the stare would have full effect upon the Joker, bad news for him eh? OHKO for him :(

  25. Matapiojo February 27, 2009 at 8:23 am -      #25

    “Then I take that the stare would have full effect upon the Joker, bad news for him eh? OHKO for him”

    That is not what L-W said.

    Should the Joker be in his full faculties, THEN the Pennance Stare would be davastating as it compuonds his already deeply-seeded sorrow. If the Joker is in his regular psycopathic self, the Stare wont be as effective. It will most likely cause pain and momentary paralisis, but the Joker might actually welcome it and fully embrace the “hilarity” of it all.

    He would then stand up, say “Thats a neat trick”, then continue on his treck down the path of the corrupt while trying to emulate the Pennance Stare (or anything that resembles it) onto others.

  26. Pocketkoi February 28, 2009 at 4:00 pm -      #26

    Isn’t Spawn actually an angel? Wouldn’t that protect him from any of Ghost Rider’s holy hellfire attacks?

  27. Matapiojo March 1, 2009 at 10:38 am -      #27

    “Isn’t Spawn actually an angel? Wouldn’t that protect him from any of Ghost Rider’s holy hellfire attacks?”

    Please don’t tell me you are using a cover art for such an “observation”…

  28. Rob (Expertimp) March 3, 2009 at 3:58 pm -      #28

    again your only defense is the stare. and NO venom is alive. spawn a.k.a Simmions is already D.E.A.D.. Also look over spawn powers he is FRIGGIN Immortal and on top of that the symbiotic costume he wears is capable of evolving.

    So as much as I like ghost rider and spawn I’m not going to be basis on either side. I am just taking all of the facts into account and based on that Spawn would beat the flames right out of johnny blaze.

    So that defense is a joke. you are just a super ghost rider fan boy I get it…
    But the fact that you think ghost rider would be spawn is utterly ridiculous…
    Go do yourself a favor and go read up on Spawn and bring me back some kind of proof based on his battles with others that ghost rider could some how beat him. And lay off with the stare defense I’ve already proven it would have ZERO effect on him. other that then you GOT NOTHING..

    ::Do some research next time on both characters before you make some stupid fan boy response::

  29. Matapiojo March 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm -      #29

    @Rob (Expertimp)

    Dude, you are so far off the mark. I have no time for you right now as I am flooded with work, but rest assured that I will return and give you a propper schooling. Your “facts” are unsurprisingly similar to the proverbial hot-air baloon, as are your assumptions that I do not read Spawn myself.

    Be back in a bit…

  30. kano547 March 3, 2009 at 8:00 pm -      #30

    um cant spawn just close hi eyes ? im sure after all that time fighting he can fight blind also i thought the stare made you feal the pain of your victims in that case spawn after that death he has caused he would be screwed

  31. Matapiojo March 4, 2009 at 1:29 pm -      #31

    “again your only defense is the stare.”

    Incredible.

    You somehow manage to extract a single entry from all of my examples and arguments, and even then, you twist and devaluate it with no discernible logic. Showing truth to you is an exercise in futility, but I will try to illuminate others in the process even if your bumbling idiocy is incapable of putting all your ducks in a row.

    Yes. Indeed I am a Ghost Rider fan. Many would even call me a Fanboy. It is not a moniker that I will debate or refuse in this case. I will let others make that decision, but I know for a fact that you are using the barb as a simple smoke-screen for your own inadequacies in presenting tangible facts to your “arguments”.

    So without further ado…

    —————————————————————–

    Lets start with what YOU claim to be my only argument. Mind you that you have provided NO reference or comparison as to why this would not work, yet you manage to have the gall to say you have proven it wouldn’t. I suppose that in your point of view a simple “that’s not gonna happen” should be sufficient for feeble minds, but it certainly proves nothing to those of us capable of actual thought.

    “NEWS FLASH! SPAWN IS DEAD! His emotions wouldn’t phase him.”

    That’s incredibly ignorant seeing how Spawn has a supernatural ability to sense and feel pain and misery as his own thanks to the meddling of The Keeper. He is quite possibly the most tortured protagonist in comic book history, yet you claim that a powered fueled by Heaven designed to impart physical and spiritual holy retribution on those who have sinned would not have any effect on a demon who used to be an assassin.

    Aside from that supernatural gift/curse, Simmons has often, if not always, taken action directly tied to his emotions rather than simply fulfilling his role as a soldier of Hell in training. He laments the time he was unable to spend with his family. He regrets what he put them through. He resents his closest friend for taking his place. He hates Malebolgia (and Mammon subsequently) for making him what he is. He is enraged by each agent of both Heaven and Hell that have been ever sent after him as well as all other supernatural phenomena.

    Shit, 40% of all the pages involving Al Simmons are of him disclosing how much he regrets all the wrongs he has ever done, and the monster he has become.

    In all essence, Spawn IS pure emotion, which is by the accounts of many if not all theologists as the single most important indication for the presence of a soul. If there is a soul, Ghost Rider’s Hellfire can scorch it. Simple.

    To top that off, the Penance Stare has been used to neutralize and eliminate demons in the past, as it was the case with some of the Lilin.

    There is absolutely no evidence that would suggest that the Stare would have no effect on Simmons or even K7-Leetha. Quite the contrary. DUE to the meddling of The Keeper and the empathic gift/curse granted to Simmons, the Penance Stare would be more devastating on Spawn than any other victim that has ever fallen to it. How you somehow manage to stand by this major power as being simple parlor trick is simply beyond me.

    “And lay off with the stare defense I’ve already proven it would have ZERO effect on him. other that then you GOT NOTHING..”

    THAT screams fanboy to me. Having died and being immortal does not equal being immune to emotion, which is what empowers the Penance Stare and its subsequent effects. Your retort to that ability is not only useless, it is null and void.

    At the very least, id like to point to others that the Stare is NOT my only argument.

    “Also look over spawn powers he is FRIGGIN Immortal…”

    Unless decapitated by a weapon from heaven.

    I have already stated that the Spirits of Vengeance ARE weapons from Heaven. Everything in their repertoire is a weapon from Heaven. Anything Ghost Rider does onto a Hellspawn would be lethal. End of story. However, I will indulge your infantile delusions and expand on this analysis.

    By all accounts, Marvel’s Hellfire shares many properties to the Holy Fire that fuels Redeemers. Spirits of Vengeance are similar from those Anti-Spawn heavenly creations, but they display much more power and are far more stable. We have seen in many occasions how Redeemers have come near to being successful in killing Spawn. I don’t see any grounds to say Blaze’s Ghost Rider (Believed to be the strongest Spirit of Vengeance) would not be able to defeat Spawn without devaluating everything Redeemers represent.

    This is an excerpt from the Comic Vine which I thought would be appropriate to point towards in this discussion: “Ghost Rider has the ability generate Hellfire [the fire that engulfs Ghost Rider’s body and surrounds his head] he can generate and project Hellfire in unlimited amounts causing massive Hellfire explosions, he often just throws it in hellfire balls at his opponent to destructive effects. Dan can also choose what effect the Hellfire has it can just burn the flesh or the soul or do both. Dan has great control over Hellfire even redirecting Zarathos’s Hellfire blast back at him. Hellfire can burn through almost anything and is the product of God’s rage.”

    That entry refers to Dan Ketch’s incarnation of ghost Rider, but Blaze has displayed the same abilities, if not more powerful.

    In fact, due to recent events in GR’s story, Blaze’s Spirit of Vengeance should be well above the power of a Redeemer and would be more accurately compared to James the only Disciple to have made an appearance (and who literally tore Spawn apart).

    As for Spawn’s power…

    Your entire listing of Spawn powers is great and all, but it is by no means absolute. Most, if not all, of the items you listed fall within the limits of Spawn’s Necroplasm. This potent source of power is capable of incredible feats. No question about that. But Spawn has spent it all. He was relying on K7-Leetha to impart him with this energy.

    Now, I admit that I may be mistaken here as I lost interest in the series around issue143ish, but didn’t K7-Leetha bond with Morana and got subsequently banished with her via Nyx’s spell?

    If so, Simmons no longer has a way to replenish his Necroplasm in any way, and is indeed almost spent. Even then, Ghost Rider is no stranger to battling and defeating potent magical beings. In fact, he defeated earth’s Sorcerer Supreme with relative ease.

    As I said in an above post (and you managed to ignore), even with K7-Leetha being in the picture, Ghost Rider’s Chain and Bike display many of the demonic symbiote abilities and could be capable of neutralizing that threat.

    Throughout the entire series, Spawn’s powers have fluctuated greatly. He starts off as barely above average (beating only minor thugs), then gets considerably more powerful (Superman level), then goes back to being a chump, then to the ruler of a hell domain (defeating his “creator”), then back to his basic form, then to an omnipotent-god, then back to the weakest he has ever been, and so on, and so on. It is an extremely tired story, one that I followed as long as I did only due to loyalty more than actual interest. As of issue #185, Spawn has been reduced to an afterthought of his old self. He was back in Hell with no symbiote and very little power left. He got out of hell and collected the LAST of his power, went to his place of “birth”, then blew off his own head committing Hellspawn suicide.

    It is speculated that by the end of the current story arc, Blaze’s ghost Rider will be at the strongest he has ever been. It is possible that if he defeats Dan’s Ghost Rider, whom has absorbed the power of many other Spirits of Vengeance for Zadkiel’s Heavenly coup, he will gain those powers himself.

    Which brings me to the point of my main argument. In his current form, Spawn will be easily defeated by Ghost Rider. GR may have had a tough time (maybe even an impossible time) defeating Spawn at other intervals throughout his story, but putting them side-by-side in accordance to canon he IS defeated. End of story.

    As the story of Endgame is currently developing, it is not a great point of reference here. So far all we know is that Spawn IS back using the body of Jim Downing as a host. He also has some power returned to him, but any details beyond those are speculation on my part.

    “So as much as I like ghost rider and spawn I’m not going to be basis on either side.”

    No kidding? Really? That’s how an unBIASED individual looks like?

    “::Do some research next time on both characters before you make some stupid fan boy response::”

    Have you any idea how ridiculous you sound right now? That is just far beyond ironic.

    —————————————————————–
    Some other clarifications on points that have been brought up throughout the entire debate.

    – Spawn was the lord of hell, but got duped out of it.
    – Spawn had access to an army of Hellspawns called Legion, but they were all killed.
    – Al Simmons chose to remain as Spawn as penance to his deeds.
    – Spawn was a god equal in power to God and Satan, but got reverted to his basic self.
    At the expense of sounding like a broken record, here is a relevant wiki entry that explains MUCH about the current incarnation of the Ghost Rider:
    “In his new incarnation, Blaze is now maybe the most powerful hero on Earth. During “World War Hulk” it was stated by Dr. Stephen Strange that Ghost Rider was more powerful than the Hulk and could defeat him, but wouldn’t because Ghost Rider only defended the innocent and the Illuminati wasn’t innocent.”

    Further, the Ghost Rider has defeated the following top-brass demons/gods:

    Mephisto
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/606746-mephistothor12ft1.jpg

    Blackheart, Son of Mephisto
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1687/88732-163287-blackheart.jpg

    Lucifer
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/531208-lucifer_javier_saltares01.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33118/663913-lucifer_d4.jpg (getting blasted out of existence by GR)

    Lilith, Mother of Demons
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/151985-2432-lilith.jpg

    Nightmare, lord of….well, nightmares
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/494204-n1.jpg

    God of the Dead
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29023/598537-godofthedeadgrc1.jpg

    Zarathos
    www.comicvine.com/zarathos/29-13994/z1/105-478729/?offset=0

    Finally, the current plot is turning towards a confrontation with the Fallen Angel who is gathering the collective powers of the Spirits of Vengeance around the world to usurp the throne of Heaven:

    Zadkiel
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/23990/615619-gr_27_frankblack_dcp_032.jpg

    I suppose I can keep you updated when that moment comes, but I have a feeling they are going to milk this villain for a while.

    —————————————————————–

    You, sir, have proven that not only do you not have an actual ability to present factual information and intelligent arguments, but that your ability to repeat your insubstantial retorts somehow place you above others.

    I’m done with you.

  32. Wraith March 4, 2009 at 4:38 pm -      #32

    hmm. a Soul killer fighting a man who no longer posesses his own soul. Spawn on this one.

  33. Rob (Expertimp) March 5, 2009 at 3:58 pm -      #33

    Wow you must not have a life… i’ll have to read this one after work and get back to you. But it looks to be a uneducated message again..

    Get back to you in a bit Matapiojo

  34. Rob (Expertimp) March 5, 2009 at 4:09 pm -      #34

    I didn’t read all of your ridiculously no life comment yet because I am still at work… Trust me I’ll read over that BS as soon as I get a chance.

    But the fact that was just stated that Spawn can just close is eyes and beat ghost rider sounds pretty good.

  35. Matapiojo March 5, 2009 at 7:40 pm -      #35

    “But the fact that was just stated that Spawn can just close is eyes and beat ghost rider sounds pretty good.”

    Yea, sure. That’s exactly how a heavenly gift of holy retribution works.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

  36. kano547 March 5, 2009 at 8:03 pm -      #36

    youve said spawns suit mutates right? i think spawn would realize how bad gr is trying to make him look in his eyes and blindfold himself or something or worse let gr look into his eyes but form maybe a mirror or something like one interesting thought to me can the penance stare be turned be on ghost rider?
    any answers?

  37. Matapiojo March 5, 2009 at 9:21 pm -      #37

    I will not focus on validating or oppose suppositions. The Penance Stare is not almighty, but it certainly not as simple as you fellers are trying to make it out to be. Instead, I invite you to look over the other items mentioned and discussed.

    For instance, the Stare (which I still believe to be devastating to Spawn as it has not been proven otherwise) is indeed powerful, but you all seem to ignore the source of its might. Hellfire. The Ghost Riders can manipulate this mystical holy flame however they deem fit.

    This power would be deadly to Spawn, and GR can get creative with it.

    This same Hellfire has shown the ability to boost the Ghost Rider’s power. At times of heavy stress, the Spirit of Vengeance suppresses his host’s psyche and displays much more strength and power than it had previously. While this ability has not been fully disclosed, it suggests one of two possibilities.

    One – The Ghost Rider is holding back while he let his host handle business. The limits of the Rider are not known this way, but if we take Dr. Strange’s statement into consideration, that limit is VERY high.

    Two – This one is slightly scarier. The Spirit of Vengeance grows in power similar to the Hulk, but only depending on how much vengeance is due onto his foe. Circumstantial, but certainly with more room for being overpowered.

    Then there are the mystical entities that are tied to the Rider. It has yet to be explored whether or not these are separate entities, or if they are extensions of the Spirits of Vengeace, but their steeds and weapons of choice are indeed powerful.

    In the case of Blaze’s Ghost Rider, the Bike and the Chain are absolutely resilient and completely lethal.

    All I am saying is that he certainly has plenty tools capable of getting the job done. Please stop getting hung up on your OPINIONS of the Penance Stare. Bring in facts that disprove my arguments instead of some far-fetched and unsubstantiated views.

  38. L-W March 5, 2009 at 10:32 pm -      #38

    Close their eyes?

    Genius! I wonder why the myriad of supernatural villains, Demons, Angels and countless general scum that Ghost Rider has defeated with a single stare over the past forty years did not think to simply close their eyelids.

    *Mashes sarcasm button*

    Mata, as much as I admire your persistence regarding this matter, you’re honestly wasting your time on this clueless bunch.

  39. Cpt Olimar March 5, 2009 at 11:32 pm -      #39

    L-W, face it. Closing your eyes makes Ghost Rider useless….. he might as well go cry because his stare won’t work if your not looking back.

  40. L-W March 6, 2009 at 7:16 am -      #40

    “L-W, face it. Closing your eyes makes Ghost Rider useless”

    /facepalm

  41. Matapiojo March 6, 2009 at 7:50 am -      #41

    “Mata, as much as I admire your persistence regarding this matter, you’re honestly wasting your time on this clueless bunch.”

    I am indeed comming to that same conclussion. I was hoping that they could just provide tangible evidence to oppose my provided facts and analysis, but I guess that was just too much to ask.

    “he might as well go cry because his stare won’t work if your not looking back.”

    No kiddin, Cpt!

  42. Rob (Expertimp) March 6, 2009 at 10:59 am -      #42

    Mata, All your points are very valid and again I’m not basis either way but laying out all of the abilities like I did earlier the point is Spawn has more abilities then Ghost Rider. So your defense to that is that Ghost Riders Presence Stare would cripple spawn.

    Yet as Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider could easily be killed by Spawn when spawn attacks. It is pure speculation and theory/opinion by you that the Stare would even hurt spawn when the guy is dead. You can’t base someone beating someone else just on that…

    Because basically what your saying is that anyone can attack ghost rider and he looks at them and boom there dead.. That’s basically what you think I guess based on your defense.. Not one time have you said any other way that Ghost Rider could beat him in one on one competition. I could come up with at least 10 different ways spawn could beat ghost rider. how many can you come up with where ghost rider can beat spawn.. hmmmm let me count them… 1 way “presence stare” well guess what that means basically 1 out of 10 times GR would win.. So until you can give me 10 other ways he can beat spawn don’t even comment back.

    Also when we have battles on here I would say that you have to take each character in the prime of there careers and not be factoring in what happens in different parts of the comic book stories.. you take them at there best and say if these two faught each other in a battle at there best who would win. Then you have to factor in other things. Like do they know the attack is coming or who would be better prepared for the other. If you want to agree that they both have equal knowledge on each other for the battle then fine. .That would mean spawn would know all about Ghost riders presence stare and if it would harm him or not then I am sure he would have a way around it… and if they don’t both have equal knowledge then it could also come down to who is attacking who first.. maybe spawn doesn’t know ghost rider is attack or ghost rider doesn’t know spawn is attacking..

    So taking everything into account I would say 1 out of 10 times ghost rider beats Spawn. And that is only IF and that’s a big IF his presence stare would even effect him.. which you honestly have no way of saying it would unless your up GR’s A$$ or something..

    Ghost rider is a great comic and a good character. I think if anything he is a under appreciated store.. But like I said he would only be able to beat spawn 1 out of 10 times if his stare would even work.. So unless you can give me 9 other say ways he could possibly beat him don’t come at me with all this stupid BS from the comics that you read on a daily basis.. When theres probably like 12 different comics about 12 different ghost riders..

    ::FACE::

    WINNER: SPAWN AND ITS OFFICIAL

    THE END.. THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING ON BankGambling

  43. vanlore March 6, 2009 at 1:34 pm -      #43

    Ghost Rider wins easy. Mata has already listed many reasons why. Sorry but I have to side with logic on this guys.

  44. Matapiojo March 6, 2009 at 1:45 pm -      #44

    OH

    …….

    MY

    ……

    GOD!!!!!!

    How is it possible for you to revert ONCE MORE to the Penance Stare being my only argument!?

    Listen.

    You are very contradictory in several statements regarding this match. One is your declaration of being unbiased (“basis”) towards either contender, when you manage to throw full support to Spawn without any actual factual proof that supports his victory.

    Your main argument is split in turn split into two minor ones; “Spawn has more stuff” and “Spawn is dead”. Incredibly, you fail to understand that Spawn and Ghost Rider are almost a carbon copy of one another on two different universes.

    Spawn = Demon
    Ghost Rider = Angel

    Spawn = Necroplasm
    Ghost Rider = Hellfire

    Spawn = K7-Leetha (costume)
    Ghost Rider = Mystical Equipment (Bike and Chain)

    That is it. End of story. THAT is how their attributes match. Everything Spawn does comes from Necroplasm. No matter how much you like to list his points, the bottom line is that he cannot do them if he does not have the juice. To top that off, your “list” was indeed incomplete, and you ignored my input when I listed the items you missed for the Ghost Rider. That seems rather convenient for someone so un-biased.

    What is the only true difference between these two characters in terms of their history? A lot has been revealed about Spawn and his abilities, whereas not that much has been revealed about the Rider.

    The other contradiction is blatantly evident in your last post:
    “Mata, All your points are very valid” – followed later by – “Because basically what your saying is that anyone can attack ghost rider and he looks at them and boom there dead”

    How can you possibly declare that you take all points into consideration, at the same time as show how fixated you are to one argument? An argument in which you have shown repeatedly to have a gross misunderstanding of all the points involved.

    As for the whole “Also when we have battles on here I would say that you have to take each character in the prime of there careers and not be factoring in what happens in different parts of the comic book stories”…

    WRONG!

    Unless specifically stated by the scenario, something you have NO power over, the contenders of each match are discussed to their most current canon. Let me scroll up and read what was presented…

    Nope. I see no entry that says “Spawn is at his peak for this match”. The other points you “inform” of in your entire dribble of an opinionated paragraph would have also been displayed on the scenario. I will have to do some fishing around in the archives to find it, but I am almost 100% certain that this was discussed already elsewhere.

    Unless the scenario says otherwise, the combatants are aware of one another, generally in front of one another with a few yards in between, and at their most current cannon. Otherwise things can just be argued towards the convenience of the preferred character. That element of the fights would be just too circumstational if it were allowed.

    Note that being aware of one another does not mean that the combatants know each other’s strengths or flaws. There is no reason to suggest that Spawn would know of GR’s Penance Stare (to satisfy YOUR own example), or for GR to know of Spawn’s Necroplasm-teleportation.

    I will try one last time to illustrate to you on how EVERYTHING pertaining the Ghost Rider is a possible point for Spawn’s defeat.

    1 – Ghost Rider is a heavenly entity, namely an angel. As an agent of Heaven, he is a deadly opponent to a Hellspawn.

    This is revealed in the recent volume of the series (Ghost Rider, Vol. 3 #18 – www.fortheloveofcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ghostrider18.JPG). This fact had been foreshadowed in the previous volume when Ghost Rider is proclaimed to be Marvel’s Angel of Death (Ghost Rider, Vol. 2 #92 – a recent homage to that statement www.comicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/grider022.jpg).

    2 – Ghost Rider defeats the most powerful magic user in the Marvel universe and schools another angel that comes to his aid (Ghost Rider, Vol. 3 #3-4 – www.playbackstl.com/images/stories/0906/ghost_rider_4_4.jpg
    www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ghostrider4/Ghost%20Rider%204%206.jpg)

    3 – Ghost rider Blows up half a city block to get the Hulk off his back in order to continue his hunt for the remaining fragments of Lucifer (Ghost Rider, Vol. 3 #12-13 – www.marvelcomics.pl/stuff/covers/ghost_rider_vol._5/ghost_rider_vol._5_12.jpg)

    4 – Ghost Rider kills the last shard of Lucifer on earth (Ghost Rider Vol.3 #19 – www.thecomicfanatic.com/new%20images/grid19.jpg)

    5- The existence of current multiple Ghost Riders is revealed, and Blaze’s Spirit of Vengeance is declared as the strongest of them all. This phenomena was foreshadowed in the previous volume of the series (Ghost Rider Vol. 3 # 22-Current geraldparel.free.fr/wp-content/uploads/gerald_parel_ghost_rider-december.jpg)

    Those are all relevant events that have taken place in the most recent volume of the series with the current incarnation of the Ghost Rider.

    6 – Spawn’s Reedemers are fueled by a holy fire capable of killing Hellspawns, and have come close to it in several occasions. The flames have been demonstrated to take many different properties, even fashioned to fiery blades. Hellfire is an equivalent of this power as Ghost Rider has displayed similar and even greater effects with his control of the holy flame.

    After all facts considered I think it is more than safe to say that Ghost Rider is not a one-trick-pony. As powerful as the Penance Stare is, and particularly devastating to Spawn, the Ghost Rider could eliminate him in a number of ways.

    One – Yes, a Penance Stare released at full force onto a wicked denizen of Hell that is still readily attached to his human emotions will be the end of Simmons;

    Two – A direct impact from a supersonic speed flaming wheel to the upper torso;

    Three – Heavenly chain decapitation;

    Four – Direct Hellfire breath to the head;

    Five – Scorching Al’s soul to nothingness with a Hellfire scythe, leaving behind an immortal husk in the alleys of New York; and

    Six – Obliterating every cell and hellish-empowered component with a righteous Hellfire blast.

    Those are the most obvious ways, and examples of things he HAS done aside from beating things to a pulp (something that would not work against Spawn) that are potentially lethal to Spawn. Like I already mentioned, the true extent of the Rider’s power is still unknown, but it IS something that is being currently explored. If the previous statement of Johnny Blaze’s Ghost Rider is in fact the Angel of Death is true, then things are dire indeed for the infamous whine-fest that is Al Simmons.

    With little to no Necroplasm left, and no K7-Letha to replenish him, Spawn just met his perfect opponent. Simmons is extremely powerful, but Ghost Rider is the Scissor to Spawn’s Paper.

    Deal with it.

  45. Rob (Expertimp) March 6, 2009 at 2:31 pm -      #45

    OMG LOL.. This is almost a waste of my time.. Because you are so in love with ghost rider you probably sleep in ghost rider bed sheets and have a tattoo of Nicholas cage on your a$$.

    Your ridiculous statements always seem to tie in all the comic books you read.
    Regardless of what the site does or does not say which it doesn’t say anything about the current status or knowledge of either character pertaining to this battle.

    Whenever a battle takes place it is at each characters very best. If you take into account all the different times a character is up or down in a comic book it would be in the hundreds it would be like saying someone could beat superman when he almost died but is recovering.

    So the bottom line is you have to take the characters for what they are up front and how they were made from the beginning. And in the beginning ghost rider is working for the hell just like spawn.

    There are hundreds of characters on this website which have had different issues throughout there comic book lives or even movie lives.

    And yes all you do is say the stare will beat him and then you reference all the comic books saying some crap like “on this issue is when ghost rider got a bigger bike so that means he can beat spawn”…

    And yeah you are saying basically ghost rider can look in anyone eyes and beat them…If not telling me who can beat him because obviously in your GR loving mind no one can.. Ghost rider even beats the devil and rides off in your fantasy…

    Well guess what that’s not what happens..

    I’ll tell you exactly what happens here goes.. get your popcorn ready::::

    Ghost rider is riding his bike along one day and isn’t even in his ghost rider form… Just then spawn fully loaded with necroplasm shows up and breaks his skeleton in half.. snapping his head off as ghost rider tries to morph into his ghost rider form.. As ghost rider lays there like a dead punk. Spawn destroys his bike and then kicks johnny’s blazes head into the sewage drain.. He then walks up to johnny blazes body and takes a big necroplasmic dump on his body.. he had a big lunch and it was messy..

    He then goes about his day and gets back to fighting some real competition like Xena or something haha…

  46. kano547 March 6, 2009 at 2:35 pm -      #46

    i get it spawn would lose and i agree i also agree the penace stare would work on simmons and destroy spawn but since this was already established i thought i would just bring up some interesting points to me such as can the stare be reflected back on gr or since its a hellfire attack as you said would it be uselees against a hellfire being ? also you said gr is a spirit inhabiting a host what would happen if that host were to die would the ghost rider just go into another body or are there certain qualites a host needs that by definition of being a comic book they would be very hard to find or would he have to go back to where ever he came from to look for a new host ?and would that be concidered a win i think that gr has the best chance of winning but there may be a lucky hit for spawn one more thing that shield spawn had in the movie that his cloak turned into would that be ghost rider proof? please answer these questions and give me links to gr info i saw the movie and i would really like to know more about the real ghost rider that was not dumbed down for the non-nerds (something i concider myself to be )thanks

  47. Cpt Olimar March 6, 2009 at 4:41 pm -      #47

    Rob …. think about it this way…. take a superstrong water elemental in pokemon versus a superstrong fire elemental in pokemon. Give them the same stats and have them only use their elemental attacks. Who is going to win? Since Water>Fire in pokemon, the water pokemon is going to win if they are of even stats and can only use their respective elemental attacks.

    This is the general idea. Angel>Demon.
    Since they are of comparable strengths in their own right, the one who is naturally effective against the other wins… so Ghost Rider wins.

  48. L-W March 6, 2009 at 8:44 pm -      #48

    “Because you are so in love with ghost rider you probably sleep in ghost rider bed sheets and have a tattoo of Nicholas cage on your a$$.”

    Mata has admitted to being a Ghost Rider fan on many occasions outside of this debate, this is hardly a newsflash now is it? But I see that you have no coherent means of rebutting his argument beyond the use of the term “lol” (What are you, fifteen?) so it would be Mata who would be wasting his time on you, not the other way around.

    Your lack of formal representation in the form of at least a logical opening rebuttal is nothing more than a sign of:
    a) Your inability to.
    b) Being an ingrate.

    “And yeah you are saying basically ghost rider can look in anyone eyes and beat them…If not telling me who can beat him because obviously in your GR loving mind no one can.. Ghost rider even beats the devil and rides off in your fantasy…”

    Actually Rob, Mata has provided stone cold proof, analytical data, canon information and has surmised his entire argument with a nicely rounded revision of the entire debate. Considering he has admitted to being a fanboy (Even though your claims to being unbiased are questionable at best) I would say that he has been the most objective at this point, thus his postulations are the most reasonable.

    I’m not going to jump into the “nitty gritty” of this debate simply because I’m having too much fun just watching this one sided argument being owned by Mata almost repetitiously, but I will comment on something that I’ve noticed in your attitude, Rob.

    You have nothing to go by, that much is clear Rob, your formally scant well (More like a mud bath) of knowledge has dried up and therefore so has all probability of a logical rebuttal in the near future. But the manner in which you persist, the use of tactless insults (I merely refer to them as insults since Mata has yet to debase himself in such a manner), the continuous reference to the fandom of others and the highly embellished hyperbole’s regarding the occupational vivacity of your opposition is just a sign of a narrow and dogmatic inability to alter YOUR viewpoint.

    Just like a Dog with a bone you zealously hold onto a rigid belief system that I determine (Much like the Dog) you yourself don’t quite understand the inherent futility of. I would think twice before confusing others of being inflexible.

    Irony, thy name is in Rob.

  49. Matapiojo March 6, 2009 at 9:47 pm -      #49

    Rob, mate, you are an absolute waste. There is too much wrong in that post for me to start addressing it, so I will move on from your dastardly obnoxious views on how the fights “should” be approached.

    You even diminish yourself by saying than an individual picking a side and presenting factual documentation must be wrong. Did I miss something here? Am I incorrect in thinking that is the whole point of a debate? For two sides with strong opposite opinions presenting data to gain an upper hand over the other?

    Where did I deviate from that formula?

    I can say with absolute certainty that this side of the fence has been properly represented, but I cannot say the same for yours. Against all my points in GR’s favor, the only defense that you were able to muster is a “get real, Ghost Rider looses” with a slice of “that won’t work, he’s dead!”.

    No facts.

    No documentation.

    Not even logical analysis.

    Trust me that out of the two, I am not the one who is lessened by the discussion in this match.

    I AM a fan of the two titles. I KNOW details about both characters equally. I am not, however, willing to side with the character whom I believe will be the looser, and will not do your job for you. It falls on YOU to provide the information that substantiates your claims.

    If Spawn was still in “God mode”, or if issue #18 of Ghost Rider (the one that reveals with all certainty that he is an Angel) never took place, this match would have been completely different, but it is not. Things are what they are.

    In any case, I really am done discussing the matter with you. You have failed miserably in both, convincing me that I backed the wrong horse, and into coercing me to your side with your sad attempts (if they could have been called that) at bullying my side of choice.

    There are a few items I still think need to be addressed, but only because they are legitimate concerns and questions made by at least one other.

    ————————————————

    – Pertaining the Host.

    The different host persona used by the Spirits of Vengeance have shown incredible resilience to being killed by conventional means. As soon as the host is in danger, even if the human was not aware of the incoming hazard, the spirit takes over. The event of the host being harmed has not been properly explored throughout the series due to this phenomena.

    There was one exception to this. The demonically infused Blackout manage to get the drop on Danny Ketch, and the spirit within him failed to shift over in time for the damage to be prevented.

    Now, this is an exception to John’s spirit. The difference is that Danny was never meant to be in possession of the spirit. That was an annomaly that happened after his older sister (the one meant to be the host) died in Danny’s arms and he later touched a mystical medallion. In the earlier days of him being the host to the ghost Rider, he either needed the assistance of that magical medallion to turn to the spirit, or when innocent people were being harmed in his vicinity.

    What happened in that situation is that Blackout slit Danny Ketch’s throat. The Ghost Rider quickly took over the body, sending the body of Danny Ketch into a form of stasis. After a struggle of wills, Ketch suppressed the spirit back into its hiding place, but the wound was still there.

    Danny managed to survive the encounter, and this sort of incident was never repeated. Saying that Blaze would be the same would be highly speculative on my part, but he does seem to be subconsciously protected by the spirit within him.

    Surprise attacks on him are not unheard of, but they have yet to be successful.

    – Pertaining the Stare

    There have been only a handful of situations where the Stare has not been able to work properly, but it has never been reflected.

    One, it does not seem to have any effect on individuals without a soul or are generally beyond remorse. People like Centurious have simply ignored the attack. This is because the stare is a power for retribution with hope of redemption, not a OHKO attack like you people seem to think I am making it out to be.

    Two, similar to the point above. Individuals that are prone to madness have been able to diminish the effects of the Stare. They do feel pain and are temporarily disabled, but they are not scared for life like regular folk are after this attack. This was the case with Madcap on issue #33 of Vol. 2 (www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/madcap/ghost_rider033.jpg)

    However, keep in mind two things. The GR that faced against the Madcap was once again Danny’s, while Blaze’s is generally considered to be the more powerful (Penance Stare included). The other is that Madcap actually has an eye-based attack himself.

    Which brings me to number three. The Stare has been known to fail in one instance when he faced the Zodiac, a man possessed by twelve demons (one for each Zodiac sign). These possessions manifested in a mutation that took form in multiple eyes opening up all throughout Zodiac’s forehead. No further details are actually explored for this event. Some say that the attack failed because GR could not focus on one set of eyes. My personal opinion is that there were too many entities inhabiting the same body for the attack to target any one individual.

    Which in turn brings me to the final point. The worst Penance Stare event took place in the already mentioned attack onto Venom. Sure, Eddie Brock and the suit felt severe agony from the Stare, but Ghost Rider suffered a massive feedback that rendered him unconscious for a brief time. Again, no further details are explored, but my opinion of the Stare being ineffective on a target with multiple active personae is substantiated by this example. On that same note, this could have happened instead because of venom being an alien entity.

    Again, only my opinions. The fact is that event was never repeated as well.

    Those are the only situations that I know of where the Penance Stare has not worked properly. Without any of those circumstantial events, victims are just helpless to the attacks. In all essence, it is similar to a Siren’s call. The target is just forced to stare back.

  50. kano547 March 6, 2009 at 10:50 pm -      #50

    oh well thank you for that info mata and ill look for that site and takeing all the facts presented into account i would say gr wins whats your take admin?

  51. admin March 6, 2009 at 11:54 pm -      #51

    @kano547 – As i said in the opening statement, I think Spawn would win

  52. Rob (Expertimp) March 7, 2009 at 11:39 am -      #52

    I’ll address the main issue with everything Mata is saying even though I already did but I’ll keep it very clear and simple so all the GR loving fanboys can understand.

    Both Spawn and Ghost Rider have equally had up and downs throughout their comic book history. So you can’t say well if spawn attacked ghost rider after issue #41 then ghost rider would beat him.. That’s completely ridiculous because whatever issue ghost rider has a down on I can say Spawn shows up then and kicks his butt.

    So my point is YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE CREATED UP FRONT and that each character is at his best. So through your page sticking comics out the window Mata and take it into account for what each character is up front.

    Also I already wrote the story on what happens just reference my last comment.
    Also reference who the admin thinks will win.. HAHHA

    So as you might say
    DEAL WITH IT

    SPAWN WINS!!! SPAWN WINS!!

  53. Matapiojo March 7, 2009 at 1:33 pm -      #53

    “Also reference who the admin thinks will win.. HAHHA”

    Ugh. The admin is just an individual like you and me with opinions of his own. Just because he drops a line saying whom he favors, it does not mean that can be used as reference for that combatant. Like most of us at some point, some of his opinions have been proven wrong in the past, and others will most certainly be proven wrong in the future.

    I myself have been laid out several times on this site by others (most notably by my counterpart, L-W), you just have not provided anything in this match that can lay claim to the same outcome.

    “YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE CREATED UP FRONT”

    That just seems all too convenient at this stage, and rather contradictory to some of your previous posts. If we are using the characters from their point of creation, K7-Letha would not be as deadly as it got to be in the series (that took time for it to happen). Spawn would not have gotten the insight and knowledge inparted to him by Houdini on the use of the Magical Necroplasm and its power to teleport. Hell, Al wouldn’t even know how to heal himself, he wouldn’t even know that his power has a limit. All Simmons would do is cry over his lost life with Wanda.

    Is that really the Spawn you want to bring to this fight?

    It just seems that you are trying to gain an edge with that statement, which clearly you wouldn’t be.

    All of my arguments HAVE been parting from the principle of taking the characters from what they ARE, rather than what they WERE or SHOULD be. The fact is that Spawn’s power has fluctuated up and down dramatically thoughout his series, while GR’s have been going steadily upwards on his. The Rider’s true power has yet to be revealed, while Spawn’s is almost spent. Those are the facts at hand, and I cannot simply agree with you just to give you the “edge” in the match.

    I am flexible to changing my mind should admin choose to change the scenario to specify at which stage of the characters history we are supposed to be discussing (dubious as that might come across at this point in time). I tend to adhere to the scenario at hand whenever he specifies one.

    Other than that, your post is once again just filled with ignorance. like I said, let others decide based on the information we have provided.

  54. L-W March 7, 2009 at 9:00 pm -      #54

    “So as you might say
    DEAL WITH IT

    SPAWN WINS!!! SPAWN WINS!!”

    Now where have I heard this before? Wasn’t it the Kharn Vs. Link thread? Where we tore apart the opposition despite their inability to provide a reasonable rebuttal beyond defiantly stating that their combatant had won.

    As for the admin, as much as I respect the anonymous Demi-God of BankGambling, admin has been proven wrong in the past despite his intial supposition, case in point:

    Master Chief Vs. General Zod
    BankGambling.com/master-chief-vs-general-zod-ursa-and-non-superman
    Master Chief Vs. The Hulk
    BankGambling.com/master-chief-vs-the-incredible-hulk
    Space Marine Vs. Solid Snake
    BankGambling.com/space-marine-vs-solid-snake
    Super Star Destroyer Vs. Enterprise
    BankGambling.com/super-star-destroyer-vs-enterprise

    The difference is, admin is suitably intelligent as to recognize matters regarding fact, canon data, analytical information and logic when presented. Your only defence Rob is the childish and wholly proverbial act of Finger-in-Ear “La-La-La I can’t hear you!” routine, which is a shame, because I honestly anticipated this to be the first act of intelligent debate on your behalf (I know, my expectations were a bit too high).

    Keep up the good work Mata.

  55. Cpt Olimar March 7, 2009 at 11:10 pm -      #55

    L-W, it doesn’t matter how much logic you put into your argument, I have a trump card which reads “Spawn Wins”
    So… the winner is… SPAWN!!!!!!!!!111111111111one

  56. Rob (Expertimp) March 9, 2009 at 9:57 am -      #56

    Ok.. looks like were done here… Spawn won..

    Have a nice day :o)

  57. Matapiojo March 9, 2009 at 11:04 am -      #57

    “Ok.. looks like were done here… Spawn won..

    Have a nice day :o)”



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  58. kano547 March 9, 2009 at 1:23 pm -      #58

    “Because you are so in love with ghost rider you probably sleep in ghost rider bed sheets and have a tattoo of Nicholas cage on your a$$.” pot calling the kettle black, rob how much spawn merchandise do you have? i personaly think spawn is way cooler, but gr it seems is made to kill spawn and his like.

    If we are using the characters from their point of creation, K7-Letha would not be as deadly as it got to be in the series (that took time for it to happen). Spawn would not have gotten the insight and knowledge inparted to him by Houdini on the use of the Magical Necroplasm and its power to teleport. Hell, Al wouldn’t even know how to heal himself, he wouldn’t even know that his power has a limit. All Simmons would do is cry over his lost life with Wanda.

    Is that really the Spawn you want to bring to this fight?

    It just seems that you are trying to gain an edge with that statement, which clearly you wouldn’t be.

    and was’nt the first few issues of ghost rider him trying to run away from being the rider?

  59. Matapiojo March 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm -      #59

    “and was’nt the first few issues of ghost rider him trying to run away from being the rider?”

    I was not the one to make that suggestion. What’s your point, son?

    In any case, just because the host was unwilling, doesn’t mean that the Spirit of Vengeance wouldn’t pop out and do what it does. Which was precisely the case in the first issues of the previous volumes.

  60. kano547 March 9, 2009 at 5:57 pm -      #60

    piont is why are you making derogatory comment’s about one or the other that apply to both same goes for other people posting and that’s it for me on this fight

  61. L-W March 9, 2009 at 8:00 pm -      #61

    “piont is why are you making derogatory comment’s about one or the other that apply to both same goes for other people posting and that’s it for me on this fight”

    The Spirit of Vengeance was always there, merely because it refused to overtly posses its host (Rather than offer a period of acceptance) does not denote a comparable weakness on its behalf.

    So many cowards, so little time.

    Well admin, I think Mata has sufficiently proven his thesis in the face of wholly underwhelming support for Spawn. Should we wrap this up now with a nomination or shall we await another “stellar” performance from Rob so the value of logic on this board can be knocked down several more pegs?

  62. admin March 9, 2009 at 8:48 pm -      #62

    @L-W – Nomination noted. Also tracking Baron Somebody….

  63. Rob (Expertimp) March 10, 2009 at 11:02 am -      #63

    Mata what was that drawing suppose to be? A loaf of bread or something??

    Let me just clear up a few things:

    I have zero spawn merchandise and actually zero ghost rider merchandise.

    I also made the comments pertaining to Mata because he constantly comes up with the same argument and knows why too much about ghost rider..
    He should actually go work for ghost rider or write a book or something…
    And his whole arguments are based off different things that happened throughout the comic book series based on up and downs of each character which you really can’t use because every character has up and downs…

    Either way its already been decided that Spawn won so I’m not sure why there is a follow up comment with pictures of things like loaf’s of bread…

  64. Matapiojo March 10, 2009 at 11:16 am -      #64

    “Mata what was that drawing suppose to be? A loaf of bread or something??”

    It is already fail enough that you cannot see what it is, don’t compound it further by actually asking for an answer to what the pic is meaning to display.

    As for the rest of your post…

    Nevermind. It is just too much dribble for me to address.

  65. Cpt Olimar March 10, 2009 at 11:31 am -      #65

    “Mata what was that drawing suppose to be? A loaf of bread or something??”

    It is already fail enough that you cannot see what it is, don’t compound it further by actually asking for an answer to what the pic is meaning to display.”

    Ugh I feel stupid now. I could only see the hand before you said that it was a facepalm :(

  66. Rob (Expertimp) March 10, 2009 at 11:52 am -      #66

    I can’t help your at horrible line art or whatever that is suppose to be or mean.

    Glad to see you finally don’t have any more useless information to talk about…

  67. L-W March 11, 2009 at 1:14 am -      #67

    So you have no actual rebuttal then? Just as I thought.

  68. Matapiojo March 11, 2009 at 7:30 am -      #68

    “Glad to see you finally don’t have any more useless information to talk about…”

    There is a pronounced difference between not having anything meaningful to say, and finally recognizing that your incredible density make my words mean nothing.

    “I could only see the hand before you said that it was a facepalm”

    HAHAHA don’t feel bad, Cpt. In all honesty, the text format of the BankGambling posts does warp the image a little bit. The Piccard Facepalm has been around the webs for a little while now, and just like L-W said elsewhere, it is epic and full of win.

    If it serves as any form of consolation, at least you didn’t see a loaf of bread…..

  69. Expertimp March 12, 2009 at 11:29 am -      #69

    “There is a pronounced difference between not having anything meaningful to say, and finally recognizing that your incredible density make my words mean nothing.”

    Your words do mean nothing and I’m not going to argue this any longer and have said it before and i’ll say it again.

    Winner: Spawn

  70. AkumaTh March 12, 2009 at 4:15 pm -      #70

    Ghost Rider will win.

    Post 48 by Cpt Olimar makes the most sense. Being an angel, anything Ghost Rider can do will hurt Spawn, being a Demon. And considering Ghost Rider’s source of power is limitless as Spawn’s source of power can run out, this is a Ghost Rider match.

    I am so going to make a Verzes about this.

  71. kano547 March 12, 2009 at 5:52 pm -      #71

    this has been esteblished ghost rider’s powers are so efective against spawn it’s almost as if he was tailor made to kill him so spawn would either die or maybe run fast enough to get away. spawn isnt even a demon he’s a undead yeah so he’s powerful more than a most demon’s in and out of hell but gr is biult to kill things exactly like spawn ,ghost rider does’nt just have the right tool’s for the job he is the right tool for the job so no spawn would’nt win spawn would get pwnd so bad every demon he has ever come in contact with will get a headache from it but i think since spawn has a conscience gr might just spare him but there is almost no way spawn could win

  72. DX March 17, 2009 at 12:40 am -      #72

    Spawn wins.

    Spawn is all ready king of hell, so, vs the Rider that have only the stupid power.

  73. Matapiojo March 17, 2009 at 6:19 am -      #73

    “Spawn is all ready king of hell, so, vs the Rider that have only the stupid power.”

    Lets see…

    NO. He is not, and has not been for quite some time now.

    Also, wut?

  74. Matapiojo March 26, 2009 at 7:51 am -      #74

    OK.

    I wanted to take this oportunity to put the proverbial final nail in the coffin with some recent revelations and events. The following link should anser a major question regarding the capabilities of Hellfire and the nature of Spirits of Vengeance.

    www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0902/ghostrider325.jpg
    www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0902/ghostrider326.jpg
    www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0902/ghostrider327.jpg

    That was issue #32.

    Here we have Danny Ketch leading some of Zadkiel’s Black Host angels to a fight with the remaining 5 living Spirits of Vengeance (including the “most powerful” rider, Blaze’s). Up to that point, Ketch had been given the ability by Zadkiel to absorb the power of other Spirits of Vengeance. Which he righteously did.

    In that particular page, we see Ketch reacting to an angel having killed a host while the Spirit of Vengeance was active (something we had never seen before) with a heavenly sword through the chest. Then we see the Spirit departing that host and simply taking a new one from the humans giving support to the Spirits, re-joining the battle immediately.

    We then see a MAJOR feat that had never been done by any Ghost Rider. Danny Ketch splits his form into many Avatars of himself made from Hellfire to deal with the remaining Spirits of Vengeance while he heads off in a (sort of tacky) race with Blaze for the fate of the entire plane of existence. Its important to note, that the Avatars still had enough power to defeat and absorb the four spirits left in the battle.

    The end of that issue was pretty grim. Ketch manages to absorb Blaze’s power as well, and this leads Zadkiel to gain total victory over Heaven. However, apparently Ketch figured out Zadkiel’s intent before the end, and dropped down from heaven, returning Blaze’s spirit.
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    The next issue (latest) reveals the true nature of the SoVs.

    www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0903/ghostrider332.jpg
    www.comicsbulletin.com/reviews/images/0903/ghostrider333.jpg

    Thats right. The Ghost Rider is not just an Angel. He is the power of God incarnate. He is God’s wrath given form. He is the walking Great Flood.

    Tell me. How can Al Simmons and his depleted Necroplasm hope to deal with an incarnation of God’s Wrath?
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    In any case, I think it may have been overkill at this point, but I felt that concrete evidence needed to be shared.

  75. Expertimp May 27, 2009 at 10:59 am -      #75

    Ah Mata Your useless comic references… Thanks for giving me a link back to this so I didn’t have to sort though that list. Yes I’m back to finally put the nail in your coffin here.

    A MILLION THINGS HAPPEN AT DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE COMICS.
    SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CHARACTERS FOR WHO THEY WERE CREATED AS AND THERE BASE STORY!!!! I dunno how many times I need to tell you that.

    SPAWN PWNS GHOST RIDER!

  76. Matapiojo May 27, 2009 at 11:16 am -      #76

    “Thanks for giving me a link back to this so I didn’t have to sort though that list.”

    Well, there’s always the search feature. Feel free to return to this match whenever you feel like you need a schooling.

    “Ah Mata Your useless comic references”

    Right. Forgot that’s what cold-hard facts are called these days.

    “A MILLION THINGS HAPPEN AT DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE COMICS.
    SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CHARACTERS FOR WHO THEY WERE CREATED AS AND THERE BASE STORY!!!! I dunno how many times I need to tell you that.”

    I wonder how that logic of yours applies to your Superman vs. Goku determination. You know, given as how Superman was created to be unbeatable save for a specific mineral.

    Your density just imploded into itself there, buddy. This is what we call an epic fail.

  77. Expertimp May 27, 2009 at 1:53 pm -      #77

    ‘I wonder how that logic of yours applies to your Superman vs. Goku determination. You know, given as how Superman was created to be unbeatable save for a specific mineral.”

    Superman can be beat and I’ve just posted yet another reason and scenario why and how. I am sorry that you can’t give credit to the scenarios I present and agree that can be a way for a opponent to get a win.

    ‘Right. Forgot that’s what cold-hard facts are called these days.”
    cold hard facts!? LOL haha your joking right… I’ve explained this in comic number 62 ghost rider could be in trouble and out of power. in comic 71 he might be invincible… same goes for Spawn. That is why you have to take the main back story and ablities of each character and bring them to the table for the battle.

    “Your density just imploded into itself there, buddy. This is what we call an epic fail.”

    Face it Ghost Rider lost, You lost, Superman Lost, and your parents lost.
    DEAL WITH IT….oh yeah SPAWN WINS!!

  78. Matapiojo May 27, 2009 at 2:26 pm -      #78

    “Superman can be beat and I’ve just posted yet another reason and scenario why and how. I am sorry that you can’t give credit to the scenarios I present and agree that can be a way for a opponent to get a win.”

    See, this is where you are wrong.

    By the very nature of this entire debate, as well as others of this nature, I have always given more weight to the current incarnation of the characters. Those very scenarios that you explained regarding Superman’s less-that-invulnerable capabilities I fully accept as plausible when considering the character’s history. It is YOU who has made a focus of ignoring continuity events in order to analize the characters at their idealistic conception.

    You cannot have both. Either they are discussed from their concept (a ludicrous proposition as everything possibly said from that point on would be speculation), or their current incarnations are discussed (using past events and examples for reference).

    In your opinion, Superman could be beat because we have seen him gotten beaten to death, weakened by solar distance and/or intensity (color), etc. But you also state in this match just to gain an edge towards your Spawn arguments that none of those events should count, the only item of value is the point of their creation.

    You either debate logically, or you become a fanboy looking for any possible edge in a debate.

    Spawn started uber. He had a healthy amount of Necroplasm that allowed him to essentially do anything he wanted. This is what you want to cling on to.

    Superman was created equally uber. He had absolutely no limit with the exception of his Kryptonite allergy.

    Ghost Rider was created as a lowly curse for a man that wished to save a loved one.

    Spawn and Superman went on to show numerous other weaknesses in their current incarnations, while Ghost Rider has been arguably elevated to the same state of uber the other two were created at.

    So which is it?

    Which point of argument are you trying to analyze across matches? You gotta make up your mind here, buddy.

    Do you understand now?

    You have done the OPPOSITE of winning any of the cross-debates in question. You have thoroughly discreditted yourself and everything you have contributed, and utterly failed at logical debate. Ironically enough, you have displayed more Fanboy behavior than all of us put together.

  79. Expertimp May 27, 2009 at 3:14 pm -      #79

    I have never changed my mind on the fact that the characters are who they are based on the back stories. It is you which tries to pull out what ghost rider was doing back in November of 2003 or what superman was doing last night and crap like that. I’ve never changed my philosophy or logic on the matter.

    And based on all of that those are the reasons. Superman lost, ghost rider lost, and you have lost.

  80. x on May 27, 2009 at 4:30 pm -      #80

    Expertimp dude you fail just give up before you fail some more.

  81. nick June 17, 2009 at 9:06 pm -      #81

    (cant wait till ghost rider 2 movie it has been confirmed by director of the movie) I`m a big fan of both Spawn and Ghost Rider and i agree with both Rob and Mata but i have to go with spawn because of truth even though Ghost rider has the penance stare spawn does not have any soul to really burn or turn evil deeds on he sold his soul to malebolgia and malebolgia will not allow it but Ghost rider is still very powerful he fought mephisto and black heart and spawn fought malebolgia and the violator there’s quite a similarity ghost rider may have heavenly based powers but spawn has a huge number and variations of special abilities or capabilities spawn was able to defeat an Disciple who looks like the ghost rider and the Disciple can morph is heavenly flames into any powerful weapon and by the way does not the Disciple control heavenly flames or fire and spawn in their second encounter was able to withstand the effects. Ghost rider might be a dangerous threat for spawn over logic and possibility but Spawn has fought more powerful demons in his days such as Urizen who beat the hell out of him in a couple o moves and if ghost rider fought Urizen he would not stand a chance. Also Mammon is extremely powerful he can create certain things or switch up specific parts of reality he might be more than a match for a elite or professional Ghost rider. And by the way the penance stare mostly responds or operates on a evil or corrupted soul and emotion even though spawn might have these feats his soul is unnatural and belongs to malebolgia even if malebolgia is dead the penance stare might have little effect on Spawn has even fought angels such Angela and Tiffany. And also the Reedemer controls and masters celestial fire which he wiped out spawn on several occassions until Spawn`s armour evolved and literally tore off the redeemer`s hand and he basically over powered him so how dont you know at any time that Spawn`s Armour might react and defend against the Ghost rider`s abilities or all powerful Penance stare THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO BOTH SIDES BUT I GO WITH SPAWN NOT REALLY BECAUSE OF I LIKE HIM BETTER OR ANYTHING BUT BECAUSE OF TRUTH SO I MOSTLY AGREE WITH Rob even though i partially agree with Matta on some terms.

  82. nick June 17, 2009 at 9:22 pm -      #82

    But i cant lie Ghost rider is extremely powerful now i will explain some facts on Ghost rider he is powerful and skilled in wielding his fire or morphing abilities he has fought against Mephisto who might be more powerful than Malebolgia and Ghost rider if he gains new powers or trains more more he can stand toe to toe with a powerful demon or entity like Urizen or Mammon or even a Disciple but i can say maby Ghost rider has a positive and extreme chance on proving to be more than a match for a trained and deadly Hell Spawn such as AL Simmons, Ghost rider at least can weaken or drain some of spawn`s abilities with his heavenly fire or powers but that won`t hold spawn back for long because you never know Spawn`s Armour might just evolve or react to the attack Ghost rider just performed. Also Spawn as the gift from the Greenworld or the keeper and Spawn can sense not just misery or basic emotions from people of the world but can sense or respond to the environment or giant terrain at a impressive level or fast pace so Spawn can sense the movements of Ghost rider`s chain or motorcycle. Spawn although powerful can be hurt or wounded critically by a being like Ghost rider and Ghost rider is hard to kill i dont think spawn can kill him or not but can definitely knock him out cold or K.O him. Ghost rider may be able to kill spawn in many ways but spawn always makes a return i also agree with Maka but mostly agree with Rob on spawn being the clear winner. Or possibly i strongly agree that their evenly matched if i`m wrong.

  83. kano547 June 17, 2009 at 11:57 pm -      #83

    @nick

    for the love of everything holy PLEASE LET THIS ONE DIE BEFORE L_W AND MATA GET HERE

  84. cyborg pirate ninja jesus June 18, 2009 at 4:58 am -      #84

    lol spawn and rob lose against ghost rider mata and l-w
    the proof is above

  85. nick June 19, 2009 at 10:39 pm -      #85

    actually Mata lost in one of his comments he admitted spawn wins plus more people agree with Rob i think if i`m wrong

  86. cyborg pirate ninja jesus June 23, 2009 at 3:21 am -      #86

    @nick

    did u actually read any of the above comments i know i did in fact with my really slow internet i read them all and i do not recall mata contradicting himself

    where rob provided no evidence at all that spawn would win where mata and l-w

    have given ample amounts

    gr wins

  87. nick June 30, 2009 at 12:19 am -      #87

    rob did give evidence and i did as well but more in a logical and true way i have provided evidence and have made my facts very clear i gave enough info that Spawn can over power Ghost rider also it is so true in one of Mata`s comments he confessed that Spawn wins im a long time and reasonable fan of both famous and popular comic book heroes or series but im telling the truth through logic, full fledged theories and reasonable statements so Ghost rider does not actually win as you should recall but actually Spawn outsources Ghost rider not just through explanation but also through history and sources

  88. nick June 30, 2009 at 12:32 am -      #88

    and i did read all above comments and also have gained evidence

  89. Matapiojo June 30, 2009 at 8:14 am -      #89

    “it is so true in one of Mata`s comments he confessed that Spawn wins”

    No. To everything you said, just…

    No.

  90. nick July 4, 2009 at 2:07 am -      #90

    in matter fact my comments have proven some point and have given great theories on to explain whether not Spawn or Ghost rider might win okay maby we should just forget the Mata and Rob rivalry and just move on how to i proved that Spawn may have a chance to beat Ghost rider everything no, i just made a reasonable point if you understand or not, maby you did not understand what i was claiming you are right about me claiming Mata confesses but i still made a good point in terms of logic you have to understand, \ if not i dont know. I made my point whether you understood or not i am a long and big fan of both comic book anti- heroes

  91. nick July 4, 2009 at 2:09 am -      #91

    i can prove too you why Spawn can win or possibly Ghost rider but i have to go with Spawn

  92. KAAjCK August 8, 2009 at 8:39 pm -      #92

    I happened to come across this site as I was reading up different comic book characters. Starting pretty much from about news of the new Superman movie, to the next Batman, and up coming Green Lantern film. Which brought me to Frank Miller’s the Dark Knight Returns, to Selina Kyle, to IGN top 100 villains of all time. Which then lead me to Violator, which started my search on the god’s of hell from Spawn, and finally brought me here. I am by no means current with comic books in general, but have been a fan of DC/Marvel and anime as a child. That being said. When I arrived here, and read the admin’s post, I thought to myself “no shit, spawn wins hands down.”

    Now. After reading the ENTIRE page…. I have a few things to say.

    1. After numerous posts with logical evidence and references. It is overwhelmingly clear that Ghost Rider would kick the shit out of spawn in any scenario.

    2. If I were to play the devil’s advocate (scuse the pun) for Rob. Taking Spawn at his height, and taking Ghost Rider at his height [which seems to be your only logical source for debate in all your posts(dare you say different)]. There has been at least 5 posts proving why Spawn will not/can not/still not win vs. Ghost Rider. It should no longer be their problem that you are too illiterate and/or ignorant to read through/understand Mata and Lw logic.

    3. Anyone still trying to back up Spawn at this point with no proof/evidence and just trying to lure mata and anyone else are just trolls.

    4. Ghost RIder wins.

    Thanks to the people who shed some light on Ghost Rider for me, as I have new found respect for that franchise and his Power.

    P.S. my bad if this debate has already ended

  93. nick August 14, 2009 at 3:38 pm -      #93

    you make a good point i myself are a big and loyal fan to both franchises and have to say your point is quite logical and understanding but even though i claimed Spawn to be the winner i also did give insight on how he could or could not win and i have to say they are both equally powerful since nothing has come to a basic understanding i gotta say they both should be on the same level there are many ways to give basic information on how both characters can defeat the other I cannot deny this but Mata did give alot of evidence and reliable sources on how Ghost rider can triumph over Spawn but Rob gave evidence but it was not as strong or as connected to how Mata presented Ghost rider. Your view point is interesting but there are others that helped give gratitude on how Spawn can win even though i think personally think Spawn has the advantage i came to a change of opinion and have to say they both are equal, i have always been a fan of Ghost rider and cannot wait for the second movie to be ready.

  94. Matapiojo August 14, 2009 at 4:06 pm -      #94

    “i have always been a fan of Ghost rider and cannot wait for the second movie to be ready.”

    Eeeewww.

    Go wash your mouth. Your words are too dirty.

    I took that movie for what it was, just an adaptation to see how much $ they could squeeze out of the franchise. To me, the film had only one good thing (and its arguable to many), and that was the effects.

    I hope that if you are indeed a Ghost Rider fan, that you are keeping up with the story in the comic books. This current run has been by bar the most entertaining and epic. Daniel Way made absolute sense out of a convoluted backstory for the character, and Jason Aaron took the story to levels that readers would have never imagined.

    In fact, this month will see the release of the mini event titled “Heaven’s on fire”. This six-part story promises to be the absolute best ever penned for the franchise.

    It would be wise to pick it up.

  95. Matapiojo August 14, 2009 at 4:08 pm -      #95

    Heres a little preview for your benefit:
    www.comicsbulletin.com/news/124895927138374.htm

  96. nick August 16, 2009 at 2:09 am -      #96

    there’s no need to get upset i do not want to engage in a pointless argument take it some where else and i am a true Ghost rider fan, i do pursue the comics on times and gather info there’s no need to start complaining and fussing over just because i claimed i cannot wait for a second installment because there are more areas to cover for the franchise not only for comics but for media and more, the movie did not do good in some areas but i appreciate the movie and it was worth making and i do recall it has gain alot of hype just because i said i cannot wait for the second installment you go ahead and try to fight with me i do not want to participate in this and there’s other comics i read so i do not have to read the comics every time to prove i am a loyal and worthy fan of the franchise, your response was absolutely rude and unexpected i do not want to carry on this pathetic and small argument any further. And if you were a respectful and favorable fan of the franchise you would give more praise to the movie than instead of completely complaining and mentioning the downside when you should be grateful the movie was even made.

  97. Matapiojo August 16, 2009 at 3:51 am -      #97

    Wow, buddy. Take chill pill. That was humor, dude.

  98. nick August 16, 2009 at 4:26 pm -      #98

    well not humour you mean dark humour meaning rude and includes uneccessary atemprts to make the situation funny well i guess i can forgive but i am still angry and why should i trust you it is humour give specifics on how it is humour but i do forgive you but i think im making a regretable mistake

  99. Battra Boy August 16, 2009 at 4:46 pm -      #99

    For MANY accuarate and important reasons stated above by Mata and L-W, The Rider gets my vote. :)

    (Although Spawn is bad-ass too! :D )

  100. nick August 16, 2009 at 4:54 pm -      #100

    well not humor you mean dark humour meaning rude and includes uneccessary atemprts to make the situation funny well i guess i can forgive but i am still angry and why should i trust you it is humor give specifics on how it is humor keep in this mind even i`m forgiving i still think im making a regretable mistake and i do beleive its not neccessary for me to have to take a chill pill because i know i`m intentionallly being insulted sometimes people unknowingly know they are affending or being cruel to others humor or not your comment or response is overall really rude and you cannot notice that

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