The Doors Vs The Who

The Doors Vs The Who

For me, this fight is like asking what do I like better – New York Strip or Porterhouse Steak. Both are great and have earned a place in Rock history. I think the Who win when it comes to the drumming, guitar and vocals, but the Doors win when it comes to lyrics and overall sound of the band.

Personally, I like the Doors better, but that’s no slight against the Who.

What’s your choice?

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50 Comments on "The Doors Vs The Who"

  1. Baron Somebody February 14, 2009 at 4:51 am -      #1

    The Doors totally pwn The Who, The Who were just another one of those adequate English bands and well you know nothing sounds better than The Doors…besides none of them are as cool as Jim Morrison

  2. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 14, 2009 at 12:48 pm -      #2

    “The Doors totally pwn The Who, The Who were just another one of those adequate English bands and well you know nothing sounds better than The Doors…besides none of them are as cool as Jim Morrison”

    Lies, The Who totally own the the Doors! They’ve sold more records, have better music, can swing their guitars with pinpoint accuracy and if that fails Moon will just put the Doors into the boot of his car and drive it in to some body of water!

  3. The One Sin February 14, 2009 at 4:10 pm -      #3

    “They’ve sold more records,”

    Care to post those sales figures?

    “have better music,”

    Have you listened to the doors?

    I like both but I’m gonna go with the doors, mostly because Jim Morrison was THE MAN, a god among men.

  4. Who? February 14, 2009 at 5:03 pm -      #4

    This thread really is nothing but opinions. You can like both, one or none. Just depends what your tastes are. I like The Who more to be honest.

    “The Doors totally pwn The Who, The Who were just another one of those adequate English bands and well you know nothing sounds better than The Doors…besides none of them are as cool as Jim Morrison.”

    I really really have to disagree with you Baron. Pink floyd in my opinion has better sound and lyrics. Just my opinion though. With my Dad driving the family insane in those road trips while listioning to The Doors as road music, there’s only a handful of Doors songs I like.

  5. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 15, 2009 at 3:34 pm -      #5

    The pig has flown!

    The Who ==> 100 million

    The Doors ==> 75 miilion

  6. flyboy51 February 15, 2009 at 11:29 pm -      #6

    The Doors…by far.

    Number one: Theyre American.
    Number two: Theyre better than the Beatles, and thus better than all British bands.
    Number three: The lyrics are better, and all the instruments flow together better.
    Number four: You cant beat “Love Her Madly”, “Touch Me”, and “Riders On the Storm”…u just CANNOT.
    Number five: …………Jim Morrison is a BADASS.

  7. Baron Somebody February 15, 2009 at 11:53 pm -      #7

    I agree with Flyboy 100%…although there are better songs, like Shaman’s Blues and Wild Child and Soul Kitchen and Break on Through and The End and When The Music’s Over and well basically all of them…

  8. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm -      #8

    “Number one: Theyre American.”

    That’s not relevant at all, besides, Keith Moon got sent a bill for the removal of a Lincoln Towncar or something from a second floor swimming pool by the hotel the had his 20th birthday party in. And they got banned from an entire state of holiday inns!

  9. Space marine February 16, 2009 at 5:46 pm -      #9

    =[BF]=JimmieRox Vs Baron Somebody…
    Who will win, And who will be shuned and pitied out of existance?
    Also, English music sucks, A lot.

  10. The One Sin February 16, 2009 at 7:53 pm -      #10

    @space marine: Not to screw with your logic, but there are amazing English bands.

  11. Baron Somebody February 16, 2009 at 8:50 pm -      #11

    The Doors beat The Who, I personally find them really boring…

  12. Baron Somebody February 16, 2009 at 9:07 pm -      #12

    Also:

    What member of The Who was inspired from seeing dead Indians on the side of the road? None, that’s who…

    Also, do they have an awesome sounding keyboard/organ? No

    Does their guitar sound cool? No, it just sounds all generic so that’s the reason they need to smash their guitars

    Did The Doors ever sell one of their songs for use in Tarzan? NO…seriously man who would do that?

    Are any of The Who’s members Jim Morrison..no, they aren’t

    Who has better lyric writers? The Doors do, no one can compare with Jim Morrison…except maybe Serj Tankian

  13. L-W February 16, 2009 at 10:05 pm -      #13

    The Beatles, The Clash, The Smiths, Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath, The Who, Radiohead, Deep Purple, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, King Lizard, Pink Floyd, Queen etc, etc.

    Anyone who genuinely believes that British Rock music never greatly contributed to the overall genre needs to be ejected, violently, from their own lives. This is not a joke or a hyperbole either, I will gladly find you and beat you to death with my steel Led Zeppelin LP collectors case.

  14. Baron Somebody February 16, 2009 at 11:22 pm -      #14

    I like The Beatles, Zeppelin, and others, I just think The Doors are better

  15. Baron Somebody February 16, 2009 at 11:37 pm -      #15

    There’s many great bands that are American that totally pwn most you listed

    Rage Against the Machine
    System of a Down
    Primus
    Jimi Hendrix Experience
    Serj Tankian
    Nirvana
    Buckethead

  16. Space marine February 17, 2009 at 5:11 am -      #16

    Anyone who genuinely believes that British Rock music never greatly contributed to the overall genre needs to be ejected, violently, from their own lives. This is not a joke or a hyperbole either, I will gladly find you and beat you to death with my steel Led Zeppelin LP collectors case.

    Bring it. Also to add to your list baron The AAR, Greenday And Linkin park.

  17. Baron Somebody February 17, 2009 at 4:32 pm -      #17

    No, all three of those bands you listed totally suck bantha fodder…well, Green Day isn’t so bad, but Linkin Park? Seriously?

  18. The One Sin February 17, 2009 at 4:36 pm -      #18

    “Bring it. Also to add to your list baron The AAR, Greenday And Linkin park.”

    A preteen pop band who’s number of albums would only ever be able to be counted on one hand, a washed up punk band past their prime, and former Nu-metal juggernauts who blew their load early in their career.

    Way to fail there, space marine.

    While I agree that some bands on L-W’s would be pwnd by some bands on Baron’s, but not all. I don’t like def leppard and iron maiden but at the same time I’m sick of nirvana don’t give two drops of monkey piss about buckethead. But hell, thats just me.

    I suggest you all listen to and give Tool a shot at least once. I believe that they are the best to come out of L.A in the last twenty years.

  19. Space marine February 17, 2009 at 5:10 pm -      #19

    The only reason is People are now only listening to Rap.
    99% of teens have switched to rap because they thought it is cool….

    I might have to take up arms and destroy 50 cent. AND SOLJABOY.
    Rock for life!

  20. Baron Somebody February 17, 2009 at 5:23 pm -      #20

    I only occasionally listen to Buckethead, but I can understand if you get tired of Nirvana…some people over play “Heart Shaped Box” and “Smells Like Teen Spirit”

  21. The One Sin February 17, 2009 at 6:15 pm -      #21

    “99% of teens have switched to rap because they thought it is cool….”

    Where, may I ask, did you find those statistics?

  22. L-W February 17, 2009 at 7:48 pm -      #22

    “Rage Against the Machine” – Take it from someone who was actually conscious during the 1990’s, Rage had a handful of good songs, but they blew their creative loads WAY to soon. For claiming that they ‘pwn’ (Use an actual verb) Pink Floyd I award you one demerit.

    Ok for what they were, but if this and Nirvana are the only two your list worth the time of day, then you need to rethink your approach.

    “System of a Down” – Chop Suey. Then…Um. Did I already mention Chop Suey?

    Despite Freddie Mercury unfortunately passing some time ago, I think “Bohemian Rhapsody” will live on just a bit longer in the public eye than “Chop Suey”.

    “Primus” – I have cold sores that have lasted longer. Although they were an interesting approach on contemporary music, after Frizzle Fry everyone stopped giving a crap.

    The Rolling Stones concerts still sell out within hours of ticket booths being opened (Even after forty odd years), whilst the best Primus can hope for is royalty checks from “Guitar Hero II” and an infrequent spot at the Ontario Bluesfest.

    “Jimi Hendrix Experience” – You do realize that this a mostly British band? Right? Sans Hendrix and Billy Cox (Who joined the band four years later) their entire lineup originated from London, was recorded in London, was owned and signed by a London based record label, played exclusively in Britain and Europe until two years after the records conception and is generally recognized as one of the quintessential British Psychedelic rock groups of the late 60’s.

    “Serj Tankian” – Beyond his associations with Rage and System, this guy really hasn’t got a lot to say for himself as an individual. Unless you count a grouping of followers known as the F.C.C. (Flying Cunts of Chaos) to be an achievement.

    But to be honest I’m flabbergasted that you would choose this individual as an example of great American Rock music. There are literally thousands of bands who even on their worst days could outperform this individual.

    “Nirvana” – The only performance on this entire list ACTUALLY worthy of praise. Which begs the question, why is it one of the last listed entries on this list? Either you were asleep throughout the 1990’s, failed to grasp the significance of their work or just added them as a token rock group.

    Either way it’s a fail for you all round.

    “Buckethead” – I hope his collaboration with the musical superstar, Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn – Lord of the Rings), pays off in the future.

    Meanwhile, I’m sure the Rolling Stones cry themselves to sleep each night, wondering whether or not their next collaboration with the Directorial superstar known to us mere mortals as “Martin Scorsese” will work out for them.

    – – –

    You could have put together a fantastic list here, after all, the American rock scene is no doubt the biggest and most continuously self proliferating musical movement in the known world. Buffalo Springfield, Metallica, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, The Mommas & the Poppas, The Beach Boys, The Doors, The Allman Brothers, The Ramones, Grateful Dead, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Neil Young, CCR, Elvis, Johnny Cash, Buddy Holly, Hank Williams, The Velvet Underground…

    …You could have even thrown in Huey Lewis and the News, and you would have had a sound argument. The list literally writes itself.

    So how on Earth could you fail so hard? But onto a separate note.

    – – –

    But what was so great about Jim Morrison I ask?

    Let’s face it: We don’t remember Jim Morrison because of his music or his poetry alone, neither of which were much good; we remember him because during an era when rock and roll was still looking to create the perfect archetype he ticked all the boxes. We remember his picture. He had the good looks, the surly sneer, the leather pants and the faux-poetic turn of phrase. The girls wanted him and so undoubtedly did some of the boys. He looked the part, played the part, talked the talk and the press loved him for it.

    But if we could have peeled away the outer layer of the Morrison image what would we have seen? Not much, I suspect. He was lucky, for a while. In the Sixties all that was required to be worshiped as a poet and visionary was a persecution complex and an ability to make the fatuous sound profound. His worshipers weren’t really in any mood to distinguish one from the other and Morrison began to believe the hype.

    But enough adulation will turn any boy’s head and Morrison was no different; he quickly convinced himself that he was Percy Shelley in leather, a latter-day romantic suffering for his art. In reality he was simply a middle-class all-American boy who’d had a comfortable upbringing and whose only genuine hang-up was the lazy old favorite: my parents didn’t understand me. When Morrison grew bored with his “teen-idol with attitude” routine he didn’t do what any self-respecting poet and visionary would have done and retired to a (comfortable) wilderness in order to commit his genius to print. No, he drank himself into oblivion and got fat. Jim Morrison’s ultimate gesture of counter-culture defiance was to expose himself in public (even THAT gesture was feigned). His sole gesture towards art was to die in a bath.

    And what about the music? To be fair, the first two Doors albums were not half bad, although they could only really muster four or five genuinely good songs between them. “Light my Fire” was certainly a classic pop song, but “The End” could have been written by any self-obsessed teen contemplating suicide but deciding to go shopping with her friends instead. The best that can be said for the rest of the Doors’ canon of albums is that one was quite good, one was not quite so good and the other two were abysmal.

    When we think now of Jim Morrison we cannot help but see a man haunted by his own mediocrity. He wanted to be significant but he was too lazy and self-pitying to make anything of himself. His trouble was that he never could be bothered to find his own voice, and that betrays a stunning lack of imagination for someone who considered himself a poet and who had an audience ready and willing to listen to him. He became a man content to wallow in delusion. Perhaps he secretly regarded the whole business of fame and adulation with contempt. If he did he wouldn’t have been the first.

    The Doors were great, but don’t overrate Jim Morrison as if it were some Chuck Norris joke.

    – – –

    Finally, as a minor request, for listing Greenday and Linkin Park, any opinion voiced by Space Marine in the future should be immediately voided as the puerile nonsense of a preteen barely old enough to think for himself.

  23. Space marine February 18, 2009 at 1:44 am -      #23

    Finally, as a minor request, for listing Greenday and Linkin Park, any opinion voiced by Space Marine in the future should be immediately voided as the puerile nonsense of a preteen barely old enough to think for himself.

    F#ck you.

  24. Thepocalypse February 18, 2009 at 3:52 pm -      #24

    Keep it clean, Space Marine.
    I shudder at the thought of listening to Greenday and Linkin Park, except maybe Numb.

  25. Baron Somebody February 18, 2009 at 4:31 pm -      #25

    Jim Morrison was cooler than Freddie Mercury, period

  26. Space marine February 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm -      #26

    listening to Greenday and Linkin Park, except maybe Numb. Actually I don’t listen to greenday or linkin park, I just wanted to see all of your reactions!

    I didn’t know They sounded so bad.

  27. The One Sin February 18, 2009 at 6:44 pm -      #27

    “F#ck you.”

    When all else fails just drop the two magic words, ownage in two syllables.

    “listening to Greenday and Linkin Park, except maybe Numb. Actually I don’t listen to greenday or linkin park, I just wanted to see all of your reactions!”

    I thought you would fall back on an excuse like that.

    Space marine, Fail. again.

  28. Thepocalypse February 18, 2009 at 7:36 pm -      #28

    I just can’t stand how bland the songs are. I like something with some emotionally charged content, rather than something that sounds TOO heavily rehearsed.

  29. Baron Somebody February 18, 2009 at 8:30 pm -      #29

    Man L-W you really proved yourself to be an ass****…telling me I fail over an opinion? Maybe on record sales those bands weren’t so good but in quality of music they beat every band you listed…The Clash? Well they aren’t the worst band, but they didn’t sound original or anything of the sort…Ozzy Ozbourne was in assy sellout, seriously, what real “Prince of Darkness” would be on a WOW commercial and have his own thing on MTV? Really? What about his career in the 80’s when he dyed his hair blond? That’s darkness? I’m sorry, but Alice Cooper totally pwns him, and besides, he’s American…Led Zeppelin is actually good, but “Kashmir” is seriously overrated…I know they were one of the biggest bands ever, but I still think The Doors sounded better…Led Zeppelin just kinda sounded like a generic “heavy metal” band at times…Iron Maiden is just pure cheesiness, it’s like they tried too hard…their music is half ass, along with all those other “pioneering” “heavy metal” bands, I mean at least Primus sounded good and they had their own sound…not to mention creative lyrics instead of yelling “6, 66, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST” in a cheesy jester voice every two seconds…Deep Purple only had one song, and even then (I don’t play guitar) I can pick up a guitar and play it right then…sure, it was ok, but it’s easy as motherpiss to play

  30. L-W February 18, 2009 at 8:57 pm -      #30

    Agreed, but I also like to think that the artist in question didn’t stumble into the recording studio (High off his tits on PCP), mumble into the microphone for several hours, waddle his obese carapace home and then die in a bathtub. Only to be discovered after his already bloated corpse split its seams and spilled his internal contents across the floor.

    There’s a difference between being emotional, and being an emotional wreck.

    Take “Kashmir”, by Led Zeppelin. It’s a roller coaster of sensory perception, so well crafted that it if you were to close your eyes, you could literally feel the music wash over you in waves.

  31. Jwlynas February 18, 2009 at 9:28 pm -      #31

    In defense to Linkin Park, they are much better live, with an appropriate atmosphere. That however is about all I can say of them.

    American Rock culture is better than British Rock culture… I think L-W’s pretty consisely destroyed that, but just for emphasis, NO.

    They both have their good points, and bad points, but the highs of Britishness just soar past the best America can offer.

    Can you honestly tell me the emotionless dirge that is Riders on the Storm is better than Baba O’Riley?

    Or that “Touch me” The only vaguely upbeat song of The Doors I can find, is anywhere near as good as “My Generation”

    I’m sure there are better, and worse examples, so lets try this.

    Best three songs of The Who, best three songs of The Doors.

    ….no idea what we’ll achieve, maybe we can check record sales or something.

  32. Jwlynas February 18, 2009 at 10:04 pm -      #32

    “Maybe on record sales those bands weren’t so good but in quality of music they beat every band you listed…”
    Yeah, when it comes to rock, generally more record sales = better. Its just one of those crazy things in life where more popular people will sell more.

    “Ozbourne was in assy sellout”
    No, ozzy IS an assy sell-out. Back then it was a gimmick, and sometime cocaine-fueled delusion.

    Alice cooper, gotta love the guy, but better than Ozzy in his prime? I think not.

    “I know they were one of the biggest bands ever, but I still think The Doors sounded better”

    …Personal opinion, fair enough

    The main gist seems to be “Bands now sound different to the bands that started the genre. the bands that started it sound generic now” which is like saying Terry Pratchetts first few books are too alike to J K Rowlings books so they copied her… despite being written a good 20 years prior.

  33. Baron Somebody February 18, 2009 at 10:40 pm -      #33

    Actually, he wasn’t on PCP, he was on heroin that his girlfriend injected him with…and why does it matter if he was fat? He was depressed, and nobody would take him seriously…one of his best albums was LA Woman, and that was when he was “fat”…he wasn’t really fat anyway, he was just bloated from drinking too much…also, I do agree he did ruin himself with all the alcohol, but he created some of the best music and poetry (at least to me) ever

  34. Baron Somebody February 18, 2009 at 10:46 pm -      #34

    Best three songs of The Doors (It will be hard but I’ll try)

    Roadhouse Blues
    When the Music’s Over
    Yes, the River Knows

    Those are three of my favorites, but let me add more (that are equal to those to me)

    Shaman’s Blues
    Wild Child
    Break on Through
    The End
    Peace Frog
    The Spy
    LA Woman
    Riders on the Storm
    Spanish Caravan
    Five to One
    End of the Night
    Easy Ride
    Soul Kitchen
    Cars Hiss by my Window

    I could go on and on, but there’s a few

  35. Baron Somebody February 18, 2009 at 10:55 pm -      #35

    Also, have The Doors ever sold out to a Tarzan movie? Have they? No, they haven’t…besides, The Doors were trippy and psychedelic and dark, while The Who just sounded like every other rock band back during the 60’s…anyway I shall post more later

  36. Space marine February 19, 2009 at 3:15 am -      #36

    “listening to Greenday and Linkin Park, except maybe Numb. Actually I don’t listen to greenday or linkin park, I just wanted to see all of your reactions!”

    No seriously, Ive never heard them exept when I was watching teh rugby.

  37. Space marine February 19, 2009 at 3:16 am -      #37

    No seriously, Ive never heard them exept when I was watching teh rugby.

  38. Jwlynas February 19, 2009 at 7:33 am -      #38

    What is this obsession people have with the words “selling out”?

    If you’re a song writer/ performer, someones asks you to write/perform a song and offers you any money at all, then you do it.

    If you want to make the world a better place get into politics, or give all of your royalty cheques to charities. If you want to write music then do it for the love of music, not because you’re a self rightious egomaniac who loves the sound of his own voice, and the idea of being referred to in the same light as Ghandi.

    The Doors were dark, I’ll grant you that much. Clearly Jim Morrison was never hugged as a child.

    Trippy? Psychedelic? They are one of the most by-the-book bands I’ve ever heard.

    Not that thats a bad thing by any means

  39. Baron Somebody February 19, 2009 at 4:31 pm -      #39

    By the book? So that’s the reason Jim never sang the same way twice…or how he would randomly add poetry into the music

  40. Baron Somebody February 19, 2009 at 4:34 pm -      #40

    Oh nooossss…double post…stupid internet

  41. L-W February 19, 2009 at 10:50 pm -      #41

    Crappy poetry might I add. Whilst the Doors were great, Jim Morrison’s only crime was his middle class upbringing and the claim that his parents never loved him enough. Yep, most lower class kids in America at the time were lucky just to receive education, or to even be allowed to share the same room with the likes of Morrison thanks to segregation, but God dammit if your Parents never hugged you enough!

    The injustice of it all!

    I just love how irrational and hyper-emotional Baron manages to get whilst posting, no different than to when arguing (And failing might I add) on behalf of Sir. Daniel Fortesque, if only he could apply some reason and logic to your irrational emotion then you may be capable of creating a posting of substance in future.

    Example: Primus defeats Led Zeppelin or the Rolling Stones? Even a Himalayan Monk who has never once left his monastery, or even heard a sound sans the wind and the chanting of his brethren, would slap you across the back of the head for that.

    – – –

    “American Rock culture is better than British Rock culture… I think L-W’s pretty consisely destroyed that, but just for emphasis, NO.”

    Thank you for pointing that out Jwlynas, because it seems that due to the zealousness of “certain” individuals on this board, three important points regarding my original statements were candidly overlooked (Although this is not the first, or last time that Baron will take something out of context).

    1) British rock culture, despite being nowhere near the scale of her American counterparts, undoubtedly contributed in a huge way to the overall genre. In fact, considering the respective population of each nation, British rock pulled MORE than it’s fair share of the weight.

    2) Whilst I would state that the Doors were no doubt a greater band than the Who (Something that many repeatedly ignored), it has nothing do with the fact that they were American. Don’t be such an ignoramus in future.

    3) Jim Morrison was far from being the messiah of rock, in fact he was just a depressed middle-class white kid, plagued by his own mediocrity who literally consumed himself to death like a rapidly expanding and highly destructive neutron star. He was an ample musician in some cases, but his attempts at poetry and film making were…

    …Well, let’s just say he should have stuck to music. The only person who took the above persona and made it both viable and successful was David Bowie, undoubtedly the most iconic figure of the genre.

    Honestly, who can deny that David Bowie is not one of the greatest music icons in modern music?

    But who else were the real pioneers of the genre? I would say that the title belonged to the Beatles, the Rolling Stones (Satisfaction is the most widely sold and played song of the genre according to charts), the Grateful Dead, Velvet Underground, Led Zeppelin (Highest record sales of all time), Ramones, Pink Floyd, Bob Marley and the Wailers and finally Sly and the Family Stone.

    (Honourable mentions go to the Allman Brothers Band, the Band, Beach Boys, Black Sabbath, the Clash, Creedence Clearwater Revival, the Cure, the Doors, the Eagles, Earth, Wind & Fire, Buddy Holly and the Crickets, Nirvana, Parliament-Funkadelic, Prince and the Revolution, REM, Roxy Music, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, the Who)

    – – –

    Finally, on a last point of confusion. Sellout? Really?

    Sellout is nothing more than a vague but derogatory term blindly used by music “fans” to describe bands who make (or have managers who make) a new lucrative and/or artistically experimental decision that seems to displease nothing more than the rabidly insane baseline population of listeners.

    The anger comes from the false belief that fans “own” their favorite entertainers, that these entertainers are thus not real humans with free will, and the feeling of grief when some CD that the listener previously enjoyed alone is now enjoyed by millions of more people.

    I’m sorry, but from a modern context and in lieu of this debate, the term doesn’t give you one leg to stand on.

  42. Baron Somebody February 19, 2009 at 11:02 pm -      #42

    I’m not getting emotional, but really man, what is so bad about Jim Morrison’s poetry? I guess I like it because I’m into surrealism, but still you know, it’s abstract and it’s art…anyway, I forgot about CCR and The Velvet Underground, they are also good, but I think you just somewhat hate The Doors, or Jim Morrison for that matter…and as for Sir Dan, he beats MC…period…

    Also might I add, to me the Rolling Stones sounded exactly like The Who, boring…now, Primus isn’t as good as Led Zeppelin, but you know whatever…it’s all a matter of opinion…also, record sales mean nothing, The Velvet Underground’s first album only sold around 7000 copies, but all who listened were inspired to start a band…just think of it like this,without The Doors these bands wouldn’t exist

    Led Zeppelin
    Alice Cooper (maybe)
    SOAD
    Iggy Pop
    and others of which I do not know

  43. Baron Somebody February 19, 2009 at 11:07 pm -      #43

    Also, on another note, I always like how you try to bring logic into opinions, it’s really just fantastic…unless this is a Sir Daniel battle (which I didn’t defend him on Spawn, so there) then there’s no reason for it…also, Dan does beat MC, even without the drumsticks he can scorch him with lightning

  44. Baron Somebody February 19, 2009 at 11:21 pm -      #44

    As for David Bowie, he is good too…you see, I agree with you on most of this, but you really need to see Jim’s art with a different set of eyes…maybe that will help…I mean, overall all these bands are great, they all deserve praise, but to me I feel The Who didn’t do anything revolutionary in music…The Beatles (much like The Doors) also experimented, and well, The Rolling Stones pretty much created blues rock, but I think The Who tried to copy that too much…besides, nobody has a better stage persona than Jim

  45. L-W February 20, 2009 at 9:38 pm -      #45

    See Jim Morrison’s work with a different set of eyes? I’ve heard his poetry in every state of mind possible, from wide and awake, alert and nimble, heavily inebriated, stoned, ripped, tired, vaguely self-aware, bordering on sleep and amongst the edges of extreme insomnia. As a long time fan of the Doors myself, I’ve heard and seen his work from every possible conceivable angle that the creative mind can fathom.

    So don’t cram that rubbish down my throat, for regardless how it is seen, his poetry is still fatuous, vague, uninspired and only worked on the premise that it could make the sheer obtuseness of a white middle-class teenager seem profound. If that is the case, every teenage blogger from Myspace to Facebook would be so the called Messiah of modern art.

    Fortunately for the rest of us, this is not the case.

    In this instance it is fathomable to bring logic into the equation (something you’re not familiar with, I know) since your senseless adulation of Jim Morrison holds as much ground as that of the sad Chuck Norris meme that was birthed not so long ago. Did he live out his own life to contribute to the art itself? No, he drank himself into oblivion and got fat. Jim Morrison’s ultimate gesture of counter-culture defiance was to expose himself in public (even THAT gesture was feigned). His sole gesture towards art was to die in a bath.

    As much as you obsess over the man (With your affinity for dead things), his only true contribution to the musical world was that he ticked off all the boxes necessary to suit the image of the genre, not the music.

    Whereas Jim Morrison only came into his own during the late 60’s (Circa 1967), the likes of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who and Cliff Richard were already paving the way for the genre as early as 1961, with the likes of Elvis Presley and Buddy Holly doing so far earlier than either party. The Doors only ever came into their own during the era of Psychedelic rock, with bands such as Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane and even the Beatles release “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” as early as 1964.

    Whilst it is clearly your opinion to enjoy the works of Jim Morrison, claiming that he is the be all and end all of rock is just a fallacy to the greatest extent.

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    Once again I would disagree with that last statement. Elvis was no doubt the greatest stage persona in existence (And at least his films never sucked nowhere near as badly as Morrison’s).

  46. L-W February 20, 2009 at 10:11 pm -      #46

    As I apologize for this double post (As everyone is aware of, I despise doing), I must point out some major innacuracies in post 42, by Baron Somebody.

    Led Zeppelin was originally formed as The New Yardbirds in 1966 under the guise of Jimmy Page, where he gradually recruited his current band mates to form Led Zeppelin in 1967 (The same year as the Doors first album release), two years before psychedelic rock (or new wave) became mainstream in Britain despite the efforts of Pink Floyd and the Beatles.

    If anything, it was the likes of the Who, the Rolling Stones and even the Beatles that allowed for their ascension to the genre, the only contribution that the Doors made was Jim Morrison dying that allowed Led Zeppelin to fill the huge gap left by Morrison’s torso.

    Alice Cooper openly and admittedly borrowed his shock rock stylings from bands and performers such as the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Janis Joplin, the Who, the Kinks, and the Yardbirds. In fact he only ever met Jim Morrison upon arrival to LA from Phoenix, where he often remarks in interviews to be one of the most hazardous periods in his life, and that for him to succeed he would have to:

    “Well, if my image is even going to be more intense than Jim Morrison’s and it’s going to be more intense than Janis Joplin and Keith Moon and all these people, then I can’t let him leave the stage. There’s got to be a separation between the two.”

    He knew immediately that Morrison was a dangerous influence, thus he abandoned the mentality that he created and died with.

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    I feel the one message that Jim Morrison left was how not to lead a life. Morrison often despaired at his own sense of mediocrity, becoming a highly self-destructive and exceedingly powerful outward force of antagonism that literally blew up in his face.

    If you want to take inspiration from an artist, I would prominently select Bob Dylan without a second thought.

  47. Baron Somebody February 21, 2009 at 2:49 pm -      #47

    I never said Jim was the best, I mean I like all those other bands you mentioned, but I guess I can just relate to Jim’s stuff more…now, it was abnormally stupid for him to give into alcohol, if he hand’t he may have done way more stuff, but ya if he was still alive today and he made music in the 80’s it might have turned cheesy, and he would have killed himself eventually

  48. Baron Somebody February 21, 2009 at 5:19 pm -      #48

    Also L-W, I forgot one thing to add (like I always do, according to you)

    I think (besides the music him and The Doors created) the thing that made Jim Morrison so special to me was that he tried (and for most of us, failed) to break us from the normal cycle of consciousness…all The Rolling Stones did was say how unsatisfied they were, and for the majority of the time (with the exception of John and George) The Beatles were just your average teen idols…seriously man, Jim was trying to change the world to get it to actually think, and well, I know he really didn’t get through to many (because the majority either though he was stupid or they only cared about his looks) but you know he did to me…I know he ruined himself (not due to drugs but to alcohol), but well I guess he didn’t ruin himself completely…you see, during 1967-1968 he was fine…he didn’t hate himself, everything was pretty much cool, and he had it all…then he got sick of Light My Fire, and he started drinking heavily…so from 1968-1970 Jim was really going into a tailspin…Paul Rothchild forced the creativity out of them, trying to get them to sound perfect, but it just didn’t happen…I think he was one of the main reasons The Doors started going downward, but Jim also had a big deal to do with it as well…now when Jim went to Paris I think he was starting to get things back in order again…he knew he was ruining himself then, and he was also writing some pretty good stuff (at least for me)…but then his girlfriend injected him with heroin and he died…otherwise, if he would have just taken a break in Paris and not died they could have made a few more albums…point is, Jim wasn’t as bad as you made him think, it was the alcohol that did it…and why hate Jim’s stuff? Seriously? I mean you don’t have to like it, but there’s no need to call it stupid right away…as Serj Tankian once said, “Even if I were to yodel for an hour straight with no music, and everyone hated it, that doesn’t not make it art”, so there…

  49. Sapper007 September 22, 2009 at 2:01 pm -      #49

    the who… with out a doubt… all the doors did was make a few songs every stoner could play… ::strums the simple tune:: rida’s on the storm… duh da duh duh duuh…

  50. Baron Somebody May 23, 2010 at 10:48 pm -      #50

    Lol nice one…

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