Aragorn Vs King Arthur

Aragorn (Lord of the Rings) Vs King Arthur

Wow – tough match here. I think if this match is only between the two Kings, I think I’d go with Aragorn, but that’s hard to do considering Arthur has Excalibur to wield. If it’s a match including their trusted allies you’d have Merlin against Gandolf, Lancelot against Legolas and Gimli – more close matches.

So, given the epicosity of this match, who wins?

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90 Comments on "Aragorn Vs King Arthur"

  1. hellatus February 16, 2009 at 6:19 am -      #1

    ya 1st comment

    considering the two have magis swords and both are kings i probably think that king aragon will win he has fought in bigger wars than king arthur but arthur as very good at fighting i have no idea who will win

  2. hellatus February 16, 2009 at 6:29 am -      #2

    But if they were at a distance since arthur is also a good marksman hey could use his bow to kill aragon before they get close

  3. Jwlynas February 16, 2009 at 3:28 pm -      #3

    Ah, now this is what i’m talking about!
    Both lost kings, both with magic, or mystical swords, both with wise, long-beared advisors with a pechant for magic, both with a team of loyal followers, each a formidable warrior in their own rights.

    My view is, King Arthur has the advantage here. Not by much, but along with the sword Excaliber, he also had a dagger (Carnwennan) and a spear (Rhongomyniad), both named and therefor, it can be presumed, magical in some way.

    What makes the match more even is Aragorns Elven Blood. I’m not sure what it does for his dexterity, but if nothing else surely it has some effect?

    Let us not forget that Aragorn, for all his worth, was merely A king, as opposed to King Arthurs “Once and Future King”, as Anduril was merely the sword of Kings, where Excaliber was The Sword in the Stone.

    Don’t count Arthur out yet.

  4. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 16, 2009 at 4:21 pm -      #4

    “My view is, King Arthur has the advantage here. Not by much, but along with the sword Excaliber, he also had a dagger (Carnwennan) and a spear (Rhongomyniad), both named and therefor, it can be presumed, magical in some way.

    What makes the match more even is Aragorns Elven Blood. I’m not sure what it does for his dexterity, but if nothing else surely it has some effect?”

    Numenorean blood you mean, he is the last of the Numenoreans although he was raised by elves and whilst Numenoreans are close to elves they are still men, and always have been. Secondly, just because a weapon is named doesn’t mean it is magical, just that it is famous. Thirdly, Aragorn is a King of Gondor, this means he can heal virtually any wound using Kingsfoil. Finaly, he was a Ranger of the North and thus is a master of the bow, being able to bring down a deer at range.

  5. hellatus February 16, 2009 at 6:20 pm -      #5

    nice if “king peter” form narnia were here too

  6. hellatus February 16, 2009 at 6:20 pm -      #6

    and the burger king guy :D

  7. Jwlynas February 16, 2009 at 7:28 pm -      #7

    “Numenorean blood you mean, he is the last of the Numenoreans although he was raised by elves and whilst Numenoreans are close to elves they are still men, and always have been.”

    My mistake. Could have sworn he was half elf, hense the longer lifespan… ah well

    “Secondly, just because a weapon is named doesn’t mean it is magical, just that it is famous.”

    Generally true, I’ll concede that

    “Thirdly, Aragorn is a King of Gondor, this means he can heal virtually any wound using Kingsfoil.”

    And the scabbard of excaliber was said to slow, even stop, the flow of blood from any wound, making the wearing nigh impossible to bring down through attrition.

    “Finaly, he was a Ranger of the North and thus is a master of the bow, being able to bring down a deer at range.”

    I presume theres more to this… I can bring down a deer at range, especially with a bow, and I’m no master. King Arthur will have plenty of skill with a bow, but with two great swords in the battle I can’t see this coming down to a long range kind of match, especially from the honour POV.

  8. The Chosen One February 16, 2009 at 10:35 pm -      #8

    Aragorn has a way bigger kill count then King Arthur.

  9. Jwlynas February 17, 2009 at 5:35 am -      #9

    Aragorn has a way bigger kill count then King Arthur.

    And if this were an rpg, where you gained exp per kill until you “levelled-up” that would matter.

    As it is King Arthur has more experience fighting seasoned warriors, witches and monster, as opposed to Aragorn who was generally against a large number of foes whilst standing next a large (though smaller that the opposing force) group of men, or highly skilled warriors.

    Aragorn took on a number of ringwraths, whilst in their weakened state, from a surprise attack, using what was their weakness. Arthur beat Mordred, an impressively armoured knight, in single combat.

    When it comes to foe quality, Arthurs got this covered

  10. hellatus February 17, 2009 at 5:56 am -      #10

    well arthur is skilled in not only swords but bows and if they are at a distance aragorn could be arrowed dead but if they are close probably aragorn wins

  11. The Chosen One February 17, 2009 at 11:27 am -      #11

    I was just saying they are both kings with magic swords and Aragorn has killed a few hundread orcs what has Arthur killed.

  12. Jwlynas February 17, 2009 at 11:46 am -      #12

    Much as I’m betting on Arthur to win, in a long range match up I’m pretty sure the Ranger would beat the Knight.

  13. Matapiojo February 17, 2009 at 1:36 pm -      #13

    “I was just saying they are both kings with magic swords and Aragorn has killed a few hundread orcs what has Arthur killed.”

    Oh nothing, just MUCH more disciplined and dangerous roman centurions, as well as countless barbarian tribes. I can see how dumb orcs are better examples of combat prowess…

  14. The Chosen One February 17, 2009 at 7:44 pm -      #14

    Just tell is that what really springs into your mind when you hear Barabarians is intelligence.

  15. Jwlynas February 19, 2009 at 7:39 am -      #15

    He also mentioned roman Centurians, the some of the most highly trained and feared troops in the world at that time. Decent armour, well made weapons, tactics for almost every eventuality and using that damn tortoiseshell formation, which was as close to a mecha as you could get in those days.

    Nicely opposed to the Barbarians, a complete lack of tactics, but the majority of them knew two things, fighting and farming. Now, that basically means any time they werne’t fighting, they were doing work that today we use tractors, forklift trucks and harvestors for. They were huge, and they were legion.

    So yeah, Arthurs enemies count for a little more than orcs.

  16. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 19, 2009 at 8:31 pm -      #16

    “As it is King Arthur has more experience fighting seasoned warriors, witches and monster, as opposed to Aragorn who was generally against a large number of foes whilst standing next a large (though smaller that the opposing force) group of men, or highly skilled warriors.”

    Not true, he is 88 years old, he has mountains of experience. Also, he has fought against much more disciplined foes like the Easterlings.

    “He also mentioned roman Centurians, the some of the most highly trained and feared troops in the world at that time. Decent armour, well made weapons, tactics for almost every eventuality and using that damn tortoiseshell formation, which was as close to a mecha as you could get in those days.”

    The Romans had those repeating ballista as well, supposedly capable of between 10 and 20 bolts per minute. While that doesn’t sound like all that much at the time a fast rate of fire was considered 4 bolts a minute but this was only achieved by sacrificing accuracy. However if one of the bolts hit you then you were down.

    I always thought King Arthur existed well after the Romans had ceased to be a factor in British history though, ie during the 6th century (if he ever existed at all). I say 6th century because he was supposed to have fought against Saxon (Germanic) invaders. Also, evidence suggests that the Roman occupation of Britain had ended by the year 410 AD which is about a hundred years before the period when Arthurian legend is based.

  17. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 19, 2009 at 8:43 pm -      #17

    Ahh, I just found out that there was a 2004 film, I hope you don’t intend use that as a basis for any or your arguments because it was full of historical and mythological inaccuracies and I refuse to acknowledge its content as canon.

  18. Jwlynas February 19, 2009 at 10:14 pm -      #18

    Despite the 2004 movie being where the above picture was taken, I no more consider than canon than I would fanfiction of Darth Vader and Yoda picnicing in Mary sues back yard.

    Ignoring the high probability of Aragorn being based significantly on Arthur, there are many versions of our once and future king, and they are littered with inaccuracies. And writers being what they are they tweak things here and there, or take the view of an opposing force.

    I’m trying my best to stick with “facts” on the mythological Arthur, rather than the Historical one. Historical Arthur, if he existed, would lose to Aragorn. No magic, no mystical aid, no excaliber the sword of kings. Instant loss.

    Anyway, where was I…

    “Not true, he is 88 years old, he has mountains of experience. Also, he has fought against much more disciplined foes like the Easterlings.”

    The majority of those years were fighting skirmishes with ill-lead orcs. It was only in the last days that he would have even seen an easterling, Basically only in the last three or four battles. Aragorn was a leader by Charisma and birthright, not tactical prowess.

  19. Cpt Olimar February 21, 2009 at 4:30 pm -      #19

    Merlin vs Gandalf would be a great follow-up to this match.

  20. hellatus February 26, 2009 at 8:14 am -      #20

    admin should make. king arthur and aragorn vs arthas (the lich king)

  21. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 27, 2009 at 3:19 pm -      #21

    Not true, he fought for Gondor under an assumed name, leading their armies to many victories until they found out who he was and banished him.

  22. draco February 27, 2009 at 4:01 pm -      #22

    This is a tough call so the fight could go either way.

  23. Flop March 29, 2009 at 10:19 pm -      #23

    This one is a draw until Aragorn realized this and summoned the oathbreakers.
    Excalibur vs Elindil=draw
    Neither blade could be broken
    both were wielded with unparalleled skill

    Aragorn’s archery vs Arthur’s archery=draw both men were primarily melee combatants

    Their usual foes aside, Aragorn and Arthur were both excellent warriors, and the fight between them would be long, drawn out, and affected by luck. If Aragorn had the oathbreakers at his disposal, it wouldn’t be a contest, and I don’t think Arthur had anything even remotely close to that vast engine of destruction.

    If there is oathbreakers, Aragorn ftw
    if there isnt oathbreakers, it is a tie

  24. Jwlynas May 30, 2009 at 9:41 am -      #24

    Oathbreakers are hardly a tiebreaker.

    You think Arthur never commanded the dead? He brought a legion of Roman Centurions from out of the mists of time into battle to fend off an army eight times the size of his own. He succeeded.

    The Oathbreakers, bookwise, were a morale blow, not a physical one. Arthur would not be fended off by fear, he faced worse.

  25. Pondering Fool June 15, 2009 at 8:25 pm -      #25

    mmmhh very interesting debate…..very interesting….I feel like I am leaning towards Gondor’s King, but I wouldn’t be suprised if Arthur finds a way to bring down Strider…..in terms of the Armies of the Dead, i find glowing zombie looking men more intimadating than Roman Legions (unless they too were zombie looking….)

    – pondering fool

  26. Darth Lord of the Sith July 24, 2009 at 3:02 am -      #26

    As much as I am a Tolkien fanatic, I am inclined towards Arthur on this one. No one could deny that Arthur was one of the major influences of Tolkien when creating Aragorn.

    Swordsmanship, marksmanship, leadership…. They are on the same level. No one is better. At least no one could credibly claim who’s better than who. But Arthur is more original so he wins.. :D

  27. Faceless July 28, 2009 at 6:12 pm -      #27

    Arthur with his Scabbard is invincible. Soooo….that is pretty much it I guess.

  28. Drayflare September 29, 2009 at 7:15 pm -      #28

    Aragorn has Anduril…. It can’t be broken. But neither can Arthur’s sword, Excalibur…….

  29. Jwlynas September 29, 2009 at 7:31 pm -      #29

    “…..in terms of the Armies of the Dead, i find glowing zombie looking men more intimadating than Roman Legions”

    Row upon row of gleaming metal spears coming unstoppably towards you, wileded by some of the finest foot soldiers ever to walk the earth, the shields and armour making it nigh impossible for you to cut even a single man down even while your own men get scythed from their feet.

    The Army of the dead would have a more immediate effect, I’ll grant you, but you would fear the Romans more by the end.

  30. Sam the heretic September 29, 2009 at 7:58 pm -      #30

    @jwlynas

    too true.

    Aragon’s mother was elven,his pa numy. That’s why he was able to be raised and trained by them. So he should have alot of experience,having been trained by fuckin’ elves(who would have thought that could be said to be cool “trained by elves to be badass”)…fuckin’ A.

  31. Pondering Fool September 29, 2009 at 8:24 pm -      #31

    “Row upon row of gleaming metal spears coming unstoppably towards you, wileded by some of the finest foot soldiers ever to walk the earth, the shields and armour making it nigh impossible for you to cut even a single man down even while your own men get scythed from their feet.
    The Army of the dead would have a more immediate effect, I’ll grant you, but you would fear the Romans more by the end.”

    Mmmh hard choice. Maybe if you add the horde of the Mongols and Hannibal Gallic mercenaries as choices…now that would be be a sight to behold…..quite an intimidating one also.

    – the pondering fool

  32. lau-ara October 12, 2009 at 1:03 pm -      #32

    ok king arthur have excalibur but Aragorn have the king sword the only sword tha can kill an spirit and i think that is powerfull than the butter knife from king Arthur
    well just my opinion GO ARAGORN ! the Best and the King
    any reponce or things that you whant to disscuss just send it to my email
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    cya !

  33. Pondering Fool October 24, 2009 at 6:39 pm -      #33

    “ok king Arthur have Excalibur but Aragorn have the king sword the only sword that can kill an spirit and i think that is powerful than the butter knife from king Arthur”

    First of all mate, I agree that I believe Aragorn would win this fight (but by the skin of his teeth). But Excalibur is definitely not a petty trinket. Equally as legendary as Anduril in their respective worlds, Excalibur was attributed with some mystical properties (like not rusting after being held under water by the Lady of the Lake). It does have a similiar “brilliance factor” like Anduril:

    “When Excalibur was first drawn, Arthur’s enemies were blinded by its blade, which was as bright as thirty torches.”

    “But even as the orc flung down the truncheon and swept out his scimitar, Andúril came down upon his helm. There was a flash like flame and the helm burst asunder. The orc fell with cloven head. Aragorn threw back his cloak. The elven-sheath glittered as he grasped it, and the bright blade of Andúril shone like a sudden flame as he swept it out.”

    Just wanted to make sure you weren’t mistaken into thinking that Excalibur is just “a sword”.

    – the pondering fool

  34. Jwlynas October 28, 2009 at 7:41 pm -      #34

    King Arthur killed Giants, witches, demons and numerous other heavily armored (In steel plate and chainmail) knights.

    I’m still failing to see where Aragorns enemies were of this standard. The closest to the heavily armed knights would be the Knights of Gondor, and Aragorn wasn’t famed for fighting them…

    Can anyone find an example of Aragorn fighting heaily armoured and skilled fighters? the Haradrim or the easterling captains perhaps?

    Duelling with a Knight of Gondor?

  35. Will November 1, 2009 at 7:48 pm -      #35

    the completley even, they share almost every aspect, and excalibur isnt a advantage becaus Aragorn has Anduril

  36. Pondering Fool November 6, 2009 at 6:28 pm -      #36

    “Can anyone find an example of Aragorn fighting heaily armoured and skilled fighters? the Haradrim or the easterling captains perhaps?”

    “With a small Gondorian squadron of ships, he led an assault on the long-standing rebel province of Umbar in 2980, burning many of the Corsairs’ ships and personally slaying their lord during the battle on the Havens. After the victory at Umbar, “Thorongil” left the field and, to the dismay of his men, went east. ”

    Now, the Corsairs were the decedents of the rebellious Gondorian Navy, who fled to Umbar during the Kin Strife (when Gondor basically becomes a shell of her former power). They might have carried the traditions of their Gondorian fathers, but I can not claim that with certainty.

    Talking of the Battle of Pelenor Fields. This is after the Rohirims/ Aragorn & Grey Company were routing the Modorian forces: “However, one crucial delaying action was critical to the survival of the Enemy and thus prolonged the War of the Ring. A 7000-strong force of Easterlings, with their backs to the River Anduin, halted and fought to the last man while their Orc and Haradrim companions-at-arms retreated like sheep pursued by wolves.”

    Aragorn led his troops against this force of 7,000 Easterlings, so he would have faced heavily armored, professional force of men, unlike the Orcs and Haradrim.

    The Battle of the Black Gate, Aragorn leads the Armies of the West to attack and distract the Eye of Sauron: “Against Aragorn’s army was arrayed Sauron’s hordes of Orcs, Trolls, and barbarian Mannish allies such as the Easterlings and Southrons (Haradrim). An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron’s forces, but it is said that they were “ten times and more than ten times” greater then the Men of the West.”

    So he faces Trolls, Orcs and of course, the one and only, Easterlings. But after Sauron falls, the Army of Modor falls apart, except for…..the Easterlings! :”The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord’s demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered (later to be sent home in peace by Aragorn).”

    He also faces off against the Mouth of Sauron, who is an unnaturally long lived man, corrupted by Sauron’s taint. In the movie he kills him, while in the book, the fate of the MOS is unknown after the battle (presumably he dies).

    I hope that helps somewhat Jwlynas. Have a good day.

    – the pondering fool

  37. Jwlynas December 7, 2009 at 4:51 pm -      #37

    You’re a good man Fool. That brings the match back to equal standings. Huzzah for hard to call matches!

  38. CRACKSHOT99 December 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm -      #38

    I think that Aragorn would win in a 1 on 1 match. From my view, he has a much powerfull weapon, more enchanted armour and more skills he learnt from the Elves and the Rangers. If it was army vs army, I saw Aragorn to win that too as me has units such as the: Gondorian Legion, Gondorian Elite Tower Guard, Ithilien Ranger, he could also request aid from the vorces of Rohan and other Forces Of Man through out Middle Earth. Also the armour of the Gondarian Forces can be enchanted addong to their attack, defence, speed and reflexes. He could probably get reinforments from the Dwarfes and Elves, especially from the Elves as his wife is Arwen, daughter of Elrond, master of Rivendell.He would probably send word to Thranduil, King of Mirkwood, and his son Legolas, Haldir one of the most powerfull archers in Middle Earth and Glorfindel, who is one of the only Elves powerfull enough to beat the Ringwraiths. I bet his friend Gimli, son of Gloin, would not desert him and bring a force of Dwarf’s to aid him. Also summoning some Oathbreakers could help Aragorn.

  39. Jwlynas December 8, 2009 at 6:03 pm -      #39

    “From my view, he has a much powerfull weapon, more enchanted armour and more skills he learnt from the Elves and the Rangers.”

    Their weapons are, at minimum, equal, if not giving a little extra advantage to Arthur, whose weapon clove through solid plate mail with ease and took off the limbs of giants with a single swing.

    Armour-wise, Arthur had his much loved Scabbard of Invunerability which healed him of all wounds at a mere touch. His training wasn’t with elves or rangers, it was with knights, men of noble birth who strove their whole lives in the art of warfare and politics. Arthur was the greatest of them all, able to best any of his knights (and one of his knights did manage to beat an immortal guy, twice)

    As for allies… He had the knights of the round table. The majority of them were at the very least lordlings, and at least two were kings in their own right. All of them were physically impressive and had a great many men to call on. Lancelot and Galahad were both capable of stopping scores of men singlehandedly, (Like father like son and all that) and the others were similarly paragons of knightly strengths.

    In total, there were around 50 Knights of the round, plus armies and the sundry knights who were merely named, with no exploits known.

    The pathbreakers are morally destructive, but the knights of the round are not mere men, and have faced the undead before. That these undead don’t fight back would be welcomed.

  40. CRACKSHOT99 December 9, 2009 at 1:26 pm -      #40

    “As for allies… He had the knights of the round table. The majority of them were at the very least lordlings, and at least two were kings in their own right. All of them were physically impressive and had a great many men to call on. Lancelot and Galahad were both capable of stopping scores of men singlehandedly, (Like father like son and all that) and the others were similarly paragons of knightly strengths.”

    Aragorn has a MUCH better army at his side. As the Elves cannot die of old age so their are loads of Warriors who will fight who have been alive for hundreds of years. They can also use the Powers Of Nature, like what Arewen uses in when the Ringwraiths follow her and Frodo to Rivendell, she uses the river to bring a tidal wave and drive away the Ringwraiths.They can also use Fire, Wind, Earth etc. Elves also have Rings Of Power what add to their magic weilding abilities.

    Also I doubt that Excalibur is more powerfull than a sword what cut off Saurons fingers, what is like dried lava times 10 strong.

    And Aragorn’s armour is equal to Mithril Mail and has been enchanted by the Elves to help heal Aragron if he is injured.

  41. Jwlynas December 9, 2009 at 1:45 pm -      #41

    “Aragorn has a MUCH better army at his side. As the Elves cannot die of old age so their are loads of Warriors who will fight who have been alive for hundreds of years.”

    The Elves get to join in? Why, they aren’t part of Aragorns army, and by time he became king they had all left the world.

    Same with the dwarves, hobbits, ents, eagles, rohirrim… I can see some small number of each race joining because they owe Aragorn, but the majority would class as outside help, because they are completely unconnected to Aragorn.

    “They can also use the Powers Of Nature, like what Arewen uses in when the Ringwraiths follow her and Frodo to Rivendell, ”

    Magic should stay clear of this match. The Knights are immune to witchcraft and magic, and are sworn to destroy those who misuse it. Merlin makes damn sure of that.

    “Elves also have Rings Of Power what add to their magic weilding abilities.”

    Three elves… or was it five,… have rings of power, and Galadriel wouldn’t bother coming to the defense of Aragorn over such a small battle. She didn’t join in agaisnt Sauron, why would she against another Human king?

    “Also I doubt that Excalibur is more powerful than a sword what cut off Saurons fingers, what is like dried lava times 10 strong.”

    Arthurs sword cut through steel, stone (rather famously in fact), giant bones, dragonskin…. I don’t think penetration will be an issue.

    “And Aragorn’s armour … has been enchanted by the Elves to help heal Aragron if he is injured.”

    And Arthur has Excaliber’s Scabbard, which does the same thing.

  42. CRACKSHOT99 December 10, 2009 at 11:05 am -      #42

    If this is a 1 on 1 match its more or less 50/50. True, Arthur has Excalibur and its scabbard. Aragorn has Anduril and he’s enchanted armour. Same with skill, more or less straight down the middle, as Arthur has been trained by Nobles and Aragorn by Elves and the Dunedain.

    If its an army, I say Aragron has the advantage, as like i’ve said, has the backing of the Dwarfes, Elves, etc. The Rohirrim and Dundeen Rangers would be part of his army anyway. It also depends on the terrain and where the battle is, on Middle Earth or Britain? If on Middle Earth, Aragorn would have the advantage as he knows the land and same with Arthur.

  43. Jwlynas December 10, 2009 at 3:26 pm -      #43

    “If its an army, I say Aragon has the advantage, as like i’ve said, has the backing of the Dwarf’s, Elves, etc. The Rohirrim and Dundeen Rangers would be part of his army anyway.”

    I think, army wise, its quite the opposite. Arthur has thirty or fourty kingdoms to draw on when it comes to men, all of whom bring Knights of legend. Plus, many of his knights are protected by a god (Technically THE God, but as he is not allowed in BankGambling matches, we’ll say a god for now) who does tend to actually manifest aide. Such as smiting those who’d harm his knights and resurrecting those few truly faithful who fall. Galahad was said to be the greatest knight, immune to the weapons of man. Lancelot was unbested in any pursuit of war. Plus they have that Holy Grail.

  44. Pondering Fool December 16, 2009 at 9:53 pm -      #44

    “I think, army wise, its quite the opposite. Arthur has thirty or fourty kingdoms to draw on when it comes to men, all of whom bring Knights of legend. Plus, many of his knights are protected by a god (Technically THE God, but as he is not allowed in BankGambling matches, we’ll say a god for now) who does tend to actually manifest aide. Such as smiting those who’d harm his knights and resurrecting those few truly faithful who fall. Galahad was said to be the greatest knight, immune to the weapons of man. Lancelot was unbested in any pursuit of war. Plus they have that Holy Grail.”

    Well mate, those 30 to 40 kingdoms, or more like fiefdoms in medieval or post-roman Britannia. They are not exactly giant kingdoms, more likely feudal Barons owing allegiance to their king (who is quite badass by the way). While the knights of the round table are very skilled at warfare, and most having pious lives, they are still, at the bottom line, man. Aragorn, is not “super-human” per say, but his linage and those of most Gondorians are that of Numenor. Unlike Aragorn though, most Gondorians have been mixed with the common man of Middle Earth (which later causes the Kin Strife). Also, the elves never leave completely after the Third Age. There is still a strong kingdom in Greenwood (i.e. Mirkwood)under the rule of Legolas’ father “Thranduil”. Known as the Silvan Elves, they maintained a strong love for Middle Earth and did not depart to the West like their Noldor and Sindar brethren.

    – the pondering fool

  45. Master G December 16, 2009 at 9:55 pm -      #45

    Aragorn is an amazingly impresive person and so is arthur but remeber the nekalace?That should grant him some extended power plus a very nice addition of his sword which destroyed the body of sauron and his unding spirt.But on the fact of the undead army dudes,he realsed them,they cant help.

  46. CRACKSHOT99 December 18, 2009 at 3:11 pm -      #46

    “Arthurs sword cut through steel, stone (rather famously in fact), giant bones, dragonskin…. I don’t think penetration will be an issue.”

    So can Aragorns sword. Re-forged by the Elves, what added to its power, Aragorns sword is probably, more or less, equal to Excalibur so in a 1 on 1 cagematch its equal.

  47. sapper007 December 18, 2009 at 3:27 pm -      #47

    did we ever decide which versions we are talking about here??? because there are scores of books on King Arthur… and tons of misconceptions littering this thread on Aragorn, Anduril, and pretty much the entire tolkienverse…
    I will lay the smack down once its been figured out…

  48. Jwlynas January 8, 2010 at 7:09 am -      #48

    Lets figure out which versions we’re using as sapper said. Aragorn is pretty easy to decide. We use the Lord of the Rings book version, rather than the movies or games.

    Now Arthur is a different matter all together. Do we use the one from the (generally agreed) first legends, or the later additions, or one of the series’s it spawned, or any number of the movies both animated and live action, or the series…

    I know my preference, but thats only because I want Arthur to win and I don’t the writer is on the site enough. Lets use Gemmell’s version :p

  49. Commander Cross August 3, 2010 at 7:44 pm -      #49

    By any chance, would it be alright to ask if Aragorn had any particular and named fabled ancestors worth noting?

    I recalled that King Arthur’s family was descended from Aeneas of Troy[a demigod son of Aphrodite] whom in turn[by his father’s side] was descended from a demigod child of Zeus[Dardanus, if i got the name right?] which meant Arthur’s descended from the Olympian[Greco-Roman] Gods.

    What does Tolkien have on Aragorn’s side, ancestry-wise, may i ask?

  50. jwlynas August 3, 2010 at 7:51 pm -      #50

    Welcome to the Board Commander. Always a pleasure to have someone with knowledge of myth and legend aboard. Hopefully you’ll hang around long enough for this particular match to revive.

    As to Aragorns Ancestry www.bobmoco.me.uk/Glossary/laragorn.htm that should give you the info you need.

    Basically, he’s the son of famous and mighty kings, and appears to have some small family connection to Elrond and therefore elven lines, generations ago though it may be

  51. Commander Cross August 3, 2010 at 9:47 pm -      #51

    So Aragorn’s descended from a late sibling of Elrond who also started out Half-Elven at birth, isn’t he?
    Intriguing, as that means Arthur’s family isn’t the only one guilty of marrying between Nephews, Nieces, or even Cousins.

    If i may offer my 5 bucks, i have no intention to deny what Middle Earth had done for literature, but instead i wish to point out that although Gandalf(the sorcerer who helped Aragorn and Frodo!) may have many a common ground with Odin, he did things reminiscent of Merlin himself, that may be beyond anyone’s minds.

    Interestingly enough, Merlin was also responsible to help care for Arthur, respectively(By varying degrees!)

    As i wish to get to the point, Arthur’s family’s legacy managed to affect western society in many significant ways, as indeed, the influences of such a legacy began to spread out to Literature, especially with Middle Earth and Narnia[brought to us by C.S Lewis, a friend of Tolkien!] as it continues on with Susan Cooper’s The Dark Is Rising series[which contained one of the last surviving children of King Arthur, introduced in the 4th-5th novels in the series!], all the way leading up to the many series in literature we know today, such as the Potter-World from the Harry Potter Septimology(Which has Harry as Arthur’s spiritual descendant, i might add!) or Camp Half-Blood from the meta-series by Rick Riordan of the same name[which began with the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series, with various Olympian Demigods, or at least those of Zeus’, Poseidon’s, or Hades’ lineages show knacks for fighting on par with that of the Round Table, itself!]

    It can go further than just literature alone, but i will stop for now and just add that even the Star Wars galaxies would take positive nods to such a legacy[especially when one recalled how Luke Skywalker was brought to be raised by anyone but his father, which in itself was a nod to the versions of Arthur’s life in which Merlin took him away from his father!]May i add more?

  52. Commander Cross August 3, 2010 at 9:54 pm -      #52

    At any rate regardless, the odds are high that Aragorn may have a companion who’s Lancelot’s counterpart, but what about the counterparts for Gawain or Tristan[The anti-thesis to Paris of Troy, he is?]

  53. Commander Cross August 4, 2010 at 7:16 am -      #53

    I guess it looks like we need to go and re-examine more about Aragorn’s ancestry if we want any more results to come by Aragorn’s way, correct?

    Interestingly enough, Aragorn is probably the only person in Middle-Earth who may be able to stalemate Hercules, i feel.

  54. jwlynas August 4, 2010 at 8:17 am -      #54

    If we’re including the fellowship and the Knights of the round, things become interesting. But for now, lets stick to Arthur and Aragorn exclusively.

  55. Blood Dancer August 4, 2010 at 8:25 am -      #55

    Excalibur is supposed to possess special attributes:

    “In many versions, Excalibur’s blade was engraved with words on opposite sides.

    In addition, when Excalibur was first drawn, in the first battle testing Arthur’s sovereignty, its blade blinded his enemies. Thomas Malory[14] writes: “thenne he drewe his swerd Excalibur, but it was so breyght in his enemyes eyen that it gaf light lyke thirty torchys.”

    Excalibur’s scabbard was said to have powers of its own. Injuries from losses of blood, for example, would not kill the bearer. In some tellings, wounds received by one wearing the scabbard did not bleed at all. The scabbard is stolen by Morgan le Fay and thrown into a lake, never to be found again.

    Nineteenth century poet Alfred, Lord Tennyson, described the sword in full Romantic detail in his poem “Morte d’Arthur”, later rewritten as “The Passing of Arthur”, one of the Idylls of the King:

    :There drew he forth the brand Excalibur,

    And o’er him, drawing it, the winter moon,
    Brightening the skirts of a long cloud, ran forth
    And sparkled keen with frost against the hilt:
    For all the haft twinkled with diamond sparks,
    Myriads of topaz-lights, and jacinth-work
    Of subtlest jewellery. ”

    But since this is, probably, the movie Arthur…

  56. jwlynas August 4, 2010 at 9:07 am -      #56

    I hope its not Movie Arthur. Being as he was merely a well trained roman general with a well crafted sword, it would be a complete stomp in favour of Aragorn.

    Then again, which mythological version of Arthur do we use, there are tens of different types, and more come into being through various authors interpretations every year.

  57. Commander Cross August 4, 2010 at 9:16 am -      #57

    All i got are mainly the versions in which Arthur was an extremely potent descendant of Aeneas, and the Arthur from the Merlin T.V series isn’t ready to fight someone like Aragorn, as of yet.

    Agreed with Gemmel’s version, there.

  58. jwlynas August 4, 2010 at 9:25 am -      #58

    ..Another Gemmel fan.. Excellent news!

    We do at least have concrete facts about his life, which would be helpful… Anyone care to say no to this choice?

  59. Blood Dancer August 4, 2010 at 9:30 am -      #59

    “We do at least have concrete facts about his life, which would be helpful”

    Come again? Has it been proven that King Arthur did exist? If so, then I’ll go bang my head against a wall somewhere. Also, Gemmel’s version…I need to read it. Which book is it, J?

  60. Commander Cross August 4, 2010 at 9:30 am -      #60

    I am eager to consider reading Gemmel’s take on Arthurian Lore as soon as possible.
    May i see the link to the first part of the take?

  61. Commander Cross August 4, 2010 at 9:34 am -      #61

    I already know that Arthur and his family did exist, a long time ago.
    Alas, their family has become nothing more than a legacy that people have begun to forget, nowadays. T_T

  62. Commander Cross August 4, 2010 at 9:38 am -      #62

    First, it took our grandparents YEARS to find and reveal the existence of Troy, which virtually everyone except Arthur’s family and the Romans had forgotten, at the time, and now Arthur’s family’s targeted next.

    At any rate, shall i admit that Aragorn’s armor feels like a blend between the Scabbard of Excalibur Arthur carried and the Nemean Lion Armor that Hercules was said to have worn from the Lion Skin?

  63. jwlynas August 4, 2010 at 10:05 am -      #63

    “Come again? Has it been proven that King Arthur did exist? If so, then I’ll go bang my head against a wall somewhere. Also, Gemmel’s version…I need to read it. Which book is it, J?”

    I meant of the Gemmelian Arthur. We have solid facts about that version of Arthur.

    Books?

    “Ghost King” and “Last Sword Of Power”

    Excellent Books. They’re the ones with Gemmels best Swordsman and info on the Sipstrassi Stones, which bring Gemmelian lore into a much higher tier of fantasy. LotR Challenging levels at least.

  64. Commander Cross August 5, 2010 at 2:05 am -      #64

    I will seek out the Ghost King novel, by David Gemmel, first.
    Is the man still alive?

  65. Commander Cross August 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm -      #65

    Is Excalibur the Last Sword of Power?
    Should Arthur come with one of the Stones?

  66. jwlynas August 5, 2010 at 5:12 pm -      #66

    The Last Sword of Power is forged of Pure Sipstrassi Stone… and yes, Its Excaliber.

    Plus, if we use this version of Arthur, we use this Version of Lancelot too… Endless ownage ensues.

  67. Commander Cross August 6, 2010 at 6:30 am -      #67

    So what became of the Sipstrassi Stones, dare i ask?[you don’t need to post spoilers, just give out hints, instead!]

    Arthur and Lancelot are epic, especially in the front-lines! ^_^
    I wonder if Troy would have fallen if Arthur and Lancelot had fought to aid the Trojans?
    Alas, that is pure speculation so the best thing to imagining that would be to have Merlin whip up a massive spell to put Arthur and the Round Table in a dream of the Trojan War, itself.

  68. Blood Dancer August 6, 2010 at 6:35 am -      #68

    @I wonder if Troy would have fallen if Arthur and Lancelot had fought to aid the Trojans?

    You do know that Arthur and achilles are separated by some millenia, no?

  69. Commander Cross August 6, 2010 at 6:44 am -      #69

    @You do know that Arthur and Achilles are seperated by some millenia, no?

    I know.
    I was just trying to imagine some sort of ideal what-if scenario.
    Alas, its best to save it for requesting what-if scenarios, from which Merlin sent the Round Table to a dream of the Trojan War’s events.

    At any rate, i will not deny the powers that would side with either Aragorn or Arthur, and if its to be one-on-one, it would go either way, as it is.

    Anyone want to request match-ups for their respective ancestors, Elrond’s deceased brother against Aeneas of Troy[if that will work?]

  70. hotshot August 6, 2010 at 7:11 am -      #70

    What the hell ?Aragorn wins this

    -He can hear enemies from far
    -He has better eyes then humans
    -He is good at stealth
    Many other reasons
    -

  71. Blood Dancer August 6, 2010 at 7:40 am -      #71

    @Hotshot

    If it’s against movie Arthur, yes. Against Gemmel’s Arthur, it’s unlikely. Besides we are still deciding which Arthur to use.

  72. JoshMcFace August 6, 2010 at 10:15 am -      #72

    From what I know (very little, might I add) Arthur is essentially what Aragorn wants to be when he grows up.

    – Aragorn falls back on experience and feats as he lived in the time of the last wars of Middle Earth, in which many of the more impressive evil beasties (e.g. dragons, balrogs) were practically extinct. Had he lived in the First Age and fought such creatures, he would be more equal to the giant, knight slaying Arthur.

    – Aside from descriptions of the magical glow it gave off under the sun and moon, it’s unbreakable properties and an impressive history, Anduril seems overall less impressive than Excalibur, which, going by Jwlanas’ posts is able to cleave through the limbs of giants, steel and dragonscale (the latter being considered near impossible in the LOTR-verse).

    Arthur’s healing scabbard also seems more practical in this match than Argorn’s elven one, which grant Anduril it’s invulnerability.

    These two points alone lead me to believe Arthur would be triumphant, but I’ll leave judgement to the experts.

  73. Commander cross. August 8, 2010 at 11:37 pm -      #73

    I will be back when i can make myself more useful through Gemmel’s take on Arthurian Lore.

  74. Commander Cross August 19, 2010 at 11:33 am -      #74

    So who should we pit Lancelot against, from Middle-Earth, exactly?

  75. Lieriel August 25, 2010 at 12:16 am -      #75

    I would suggest maybe Boramir or Farmir. One of those brothers. They are just about the same….Boramir….*snifs* ((My favorite character…died….killed by….five arrows and a beheading….it was the way he wanted to go…))

  76. lancelot12 September 4, 2010 at 9:16 pm -      #76

    Lancelot is the best

  77. Commander Cross September 10, 2010 at 9:36 pm -      #77

    Alright, we will pit Lancelot against Boromir, in that case.
    May we request it in a separate request?

  78. Commander Cross November 2, 2010 at 10:39 pm -      #78

    So does anyone else have their 20 bucks to add for the match-up?
    Lord Arthur is also a grandmaster swordsman and weapons-master who managed to take out 1,000 Super-Elite knights, whom he trained, personally, without even the scabbard.

    What odds that Aragorn fought that came close to that, might i ask?

  79. Commander Cross December 3, 2010 at 11:42 pm -      #79

    If i have to suggest a bright idea for another vs. match for Lord Arthur, do i have your consent to pit him against Hercules, then?

    Likewise, do i also have consents to go with the interpretations of the Versions of Arthur if he was essentially descended from Hercules’ half-brother, Dardanus(who paternally ancestored Aeneas, whom in turn ancestored Lord Arthur?) because if yes, then that makes things even better.

  80. gator9991 December 4, 2010 at 12:33 am -      #80

    well the picture the king arthur is from the movie with no magic, therefore aragorns narsil could probably break the sword used by aurthur in that movie

  81. Commander Cross December 4, 2010 at 2:07 am -      #81

    We’ve pretty much agreed to not use THAT movie version of Arthur, and the one from the ‘Merlin’ T.V series is still not ready!

    If you have to pit Aragorn against Lord Arthur’s The-Dark-Is-Rising-Self, in which if you combine the interpretations of Arthur as a descendant of the gods(Zeus’ aunt Aphrodite Ourania,’Celestial Aphrodite,’ and her once-half-mortal-son Indiges may qualify as Co-Ancestors, if Cross-over cosmology is to be believed!) with his newfound and augmentated powers as one of the 3 Lords of the High Magic, it would be a curb-stomp in Arthur’s favor unless either Arthur holds back or Aragorn gets augmented by Illuvatar.

    So as Jwylnas suggested, let’s go with either Gemmelian Arthur(Best candidate, if not the original Monmouthian Arthur!) Byronian Arthur, or Monmouthian Arthur(and let everyone else sort out the rest, including whether we’re using the interpretations of Arthur as a descendant of the gods or as a mere human king/grand-weapons-master!)

  82. Commander Cross December 4, 2010 at 12:37 pm -      #82

    Also if i may suggest more, is it alright if we can consider a match-up between King Arthur and Hercules?

    And if yes, should we go with how they’re displayed with their respective T.V series(Merlin and Hercules:The Legendary Journeys respectively!) or should we gun for how they’re displayed in European Folklore?

    Of course, if we have the case of Hercules becoming a god, this means we get to bring in Arthur’s The-Dark-Is-Rising-self, as a Lord of the High Magic, in that case.

    So is it alright to use the Composite Arthur based on either Monmouthian Arthur or Gemmelian Arthur, combined with Cooperian Arthur(post-legendarium!) in that case?

  83. Commander Cross December 18, 2010 at 4:16 pm -      #83

    King Arthur should be in more vs fights, and when do we get to bring over Lancelot or his even more win-worthier son, Sir Galahad, on there?(Since he’s an even better warrior than his father is?)

  84. CrazyNinja January 5, 2011 at 5:33 am -      #84

    it does’t matter which version of Arthur because at end of day Aragorn (and the whole lotr) was based on the King Arthur legends. so they are actually the same person both kings that didn’t want to be kings both need a special sword to become king.

  85. Commander Cross March 18, 2011 at 9:41 am -      #85

    @CrazyNinja

    You may have a point, but nevertheless, let’s not use how Arthur was in The Dark Is Rising series(By Susan Cooper!) or Fate/Stay Night’s version of Arthur, because unless Gandalf is prepared and permitted to boost Aragorn’s stats, that would make the fight a stomp-fight in Arthur’s favor.

    So Jwylnas, are you in there to reveal more about what Gemmellian Arthur has to offer?

  86. Commander Cross September 25, 2011 at 9:29 pm -      #86

    I wonder what could happen if Aragorn were Fate/Stay Nightified and wound up getting gender-flipped, as well?

  87. dizciple October 27, 2011 at 1:13 am -      #87

    I am not too well-versed in Arthurian Legend, but I have read a version called The Pendragon Cycle by Stephen Lawhead. It is a more religious, less glorified, and more historically plausible version that has Arthur spending much of his time driving out Picts, Jutes, Saxons and other savages from Britannia.

    Numenoreans were the best Middle-Earth had to offer among the race of man. Who might be the best the human race had to offer at that time? I think all versions point to them being the Dragon Flight/Knights of the Round Table.

    As for the wizards, Gandalf had the Flame of Anor, and was basically an angel. Myrddin was supported by God, and would suffer no harm as long as he remained faithful to Him.

    Although Arthur would have had more men, Aragorn had access to archers, very skilled rangers and elves. Arthur’s men would have dealt with archers before, but not at the skill level of elves, and likely even at the level of rangers. This is a tactical trump card.

    Technically, this is a sword fight, not a Deadliest Warrior Season 3-style match. A majority of historical records point to his potential existence anywhere between 300-1200 AD. A safe bet would be leather armor and chain-mail, as well as a wooden kite shield. Aragorn would have had access to elven-made armor, or plate armor, neither or which Arthur could match.

    I actually learned today that the best tactic for a sword-and-shield bearing fighter against a greatsword bearer would be to rush the other fighter so that the greatsword bearer cannot implement its superior range. It is much easier to bring a shorter sword around for a strike. Arthur was nicknamed the Bear of Britain, and was almost recklessly fearless. Very likely that he would charge Aragorn to press an advantage.

    But, then again, Aragorn would have had a lot more experience in combat, and it would be a relatively safe bet that this was especially true for combat on foot. Cymbrogi (Arthur’s army) strategy was very similar to that of the Rohirrim: dominantly on horseback.

    Overall, I would say that King of Gondor would triumph over the King of Britain. But if they discovered that (Tolkien intended for) Eru Illuvatar and God were the same being in different Universes, things would go very interestingly…

  88. TrashMan October 27, 2011 at 4:07 am -      #88

    Aragorn is older. Has more experience.
    He also has the blood of Numenor, and htat blood (fluff wise) holds great power.

    Numenorian men are greater than normal men.

  89. Commander Cross November 24, 2011 at 1:56 pm -      #89

    @Dizciple

    The last i checked, though, is that according to even JUST Monmouth’s original interpretations(regardless of which version we would pick!) Aeneas of Troy(the half-human son of Zeus’ Aunt Aphy!) is said to be among Lord Arthur’s ancestors, which means if we go with THOSE INTERPRETATIONS IN MIND, it would mean that in Camp Half-Blood!-Terms, Arthur’s one of those ‘Legacy beings’ for Aphy, herself.

  90. Commander Cross November 24, 2011 at 2:37 pm -      #90

    @Admiral G.A

    You there?

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