The Incredible Hulk Vs Thor
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This week’s showcase is a tribute to current events as the super-storm Sandy ravages through the eastern U.S. shores. The fight itself takes place in Earth-616 just before the Chaos War arch.

In this battle of Marvel titans, Odin has decided to teach Midgard a lesson in humility, and has thrown Thor into a rampage to be his great tool of irony. The god of thunder has cooked up a storm the likes of which have never been seen with the Asgardian centered in its eye. The monster storm has ravaged most of the globe with a diameter of approximately 800 miles with winds reaching over 110 mph at its weakest and 200 mph at its strongest, surges of over 25 ft, snowdrifts reaching 12 ft heights, and spawning numerous EF 4-5 tornadoes.

None are left to stop Thor’s rage, save for the strongest one there is. Hulk has been equally enraged by the catastrophe that has claimed so many lives of those he holds dear (Betty and Skaar are amongst the fallen), and is about to unleash a rampage of his own against the Viking god. His rage has not been this great since the events of World War Hulk.

Odin has made sure the only path left to the misguided heroes is to terminate the other. Would either one succeed before the world is shattered beyond recovery?

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  1. Space marine February 4, 2009 at 2:31 am -      #1

    If Thor unleased his true power, He would WTFPWN-BOOOOOOOOMMMM!
    The incredible hulk.

  2. L-W February 4, 2009 at 2:58 am -      #2

    A God versus a being of infinite (Literal) power…

    This could take a while.

  3. marche February 4, 2009 at 9:34 am -      #3

    im going with thor,he does have the odinforce on his side,and the earth.

  4. Matapiojo February 4, 2009 at 9:51 am -      #4

    How in all hells did this get cycled through so quickly?

    Like L-W said, this will not be very clearly determined. By what has been canonically revealed, Hulk has the upper hand.

    However, should Thor finally unleash the full power of the Odinforce then he would be the victor for the match (not by death, mind you).

    …………………..yea. Im pretty undecided here.

  5. Thepocalypse February 4, 2009 at 12:22 pm -      #5

    A few factors could sway this battle either way.
    1. If Thor has the Odinforce, the battle is over instantly, he can simply damn Hulk to Tartaros with but a thought.
    2. If Thor is held back by his human persona or is at full power, his human side may cause him to have mercy and steal any advantage he has.
    3. What the Hulk manifests as. If he’s Mindless Hulk, Thor can use superior battle strategy to win. It’ll be fairly even if he’s Savage Hulk. If he’s the Professor or Greenskin, Thor will be annihilated. Hulk will be smarter, stronger, more resilient, and he’ll have the greatest advantage possible, the ability to heft Mjolnir, thus making Thor nothing more than a swordsman, and making Hulk a GOD!

  6. marche February 4, 2009 at 1:38 pm -      #6

    i remember one issue,as soon as hulk lifted the hammer it turned into the cane,which is not affected by the same enchantment.

    although hulk was able to rip apart wolverines skeleton,so he could crush the hammer in his fists,maybe.
    i still place my bets on thor because im pretty sure he can still stop time(i dont think he does it alot so maybe their lies a limitation.)however,the odinforce would be the tipping point,he became more powerful than odin(i think) who destroyed a galaxy.

  7. L-W February 4, 2009 at 6:39 pm -      #7

    The only issue with infinite power is that the Hulk despises anything stronger than himself. The very thought that “HULK IS NOT THE MIGHTIEST?!” actually exponentially fuels his anger, causing him to mutate and manifest greater degrees of strength with every passing moment.

    In a few seconds, he can transform your standard 100 ton lifting Hulk into a 150 billion ton throwing monster, to a creature that can beat the immortality out of Galactus and eat him as bite sized morsel.

    Not to say that Thor cannot overcome this, but unless he finds a permanent method of keeping the Hulk down for good…

    (Let us not forget that the Hulk survived being thrown into the sun, and shook it off immediately afterward as a minor inconvenience)

    …Then the Hulk can just keep coming back, stronger with each passing second that Thor allows him to live. There’s a reason why Richard Reed and the Sentinel stated that at the end of time, the only thing left will be the Hulk and what remains of the universe.

    Anyway, I cannot honestly make up my mind here.

  8. joe February 4, 2009 at 7:54 pm -      #8

    I’m going with marche on this one, If thore uses the Odinforce then he would have a chance at betting the hulk before he even reaches his full power. If there even is a limit, which i doubt there is.

  9. The Chosen One February 4, 2009 at 10:55 pm -      #9

    Im gonna go by the stats that used to be on the marvel site Thors stats were almost all perfect but only hulks strength was perfect and his durability was near perfect

  10. Space marine February 5, 2009 at 4:19 am -      #10

    That Thor photo Looks like my SOSE teacher mr Lowe….
    My teacher is thor!!!

  11. joe February 9, 2009 at 12:44 am -      #11

    I saw on Youtube labeled “The Avengers vs the Hulk” The Hulk was able to pick up Thor’s hammer using brute strength.

    I thought you had to prove yourself worthy to pick up Thor’s hammer. That’s so lame.

  12. Thepocalypse February 10, 2009 at 6:47 pm -      #12

    Actually, in Onslaught Reborn, Hulk did heft Mjolnir with only brute strength. He’s strong enough to defy the gods themselves.

  13. Matapiojo February 11, 2009 at 11:49 am -      #13

    “He’s strong enough to defy the gods themselves.”

    Yes, this is the general consensus. That is if the gods are stupid enough to go toe to toe against him. Only way to deal with Hulk is to get rid of him.

    Teleport him away to a place where he cannot return (oblivion included), the Odinforce may be able to do this, but Thor better hope that works. We all saw what hapens when Hulk returns from one of those involuntary exiles…

    War on the world, baby!

  14. Marche February 15, 2009 at 11:59 am -      #14

    i did love world war hulk,i find it pretty stupid that gamma radiation turns you into an unstopable juggernau but thats the glory of comics.
    though im pretty sure the silver surfer could beat the hulk.

    i also dont recall mjolnir being lifted with brute strength,ill look that up.

  15. cyborg pirate ninja jesus February 17, 2009 at 6:50 am -      #15

    if u want to c mjolnir bein lifted by brute strength look up hulk vs avengers on youtube then answer who wins between hulk and thor coz from wat i saw thor put up a good 30 seconds of fight before gettin destroyed by hulk. and he did a lot of damage to the avengers and it had thor captain america wasp iron man and some really big guy

  16. Matapiojo February 20, 2009 at 1:43 pm -      #16

    There are many takes on the whole concept of Thor vs Hulk. Truth is that Hulk would clober Thor senseless on a straight brawl. However, we have stated repeatedly that Thor now has the Odinforce (something that was never present in none of the previous encounters with the Green Scar).

    Although Thor has yet to fully unleash its power (he is more accustomed to being plain ol Thor), this power makes him Omnipotent rather than just a very powerful God. I STILL don’t think Hulk could be beatten or killed, but he could certainly be neutralized. Which wins the match in any case.

    There is a reason why Gods fear Hulk. As it is yet undetermined by the scenario, this fight is a no-contest in my book.

  17. cyborg pirate ninja jesus March 13, 2009 at 9:12 am -      #17

    i dont no what the odin force can do but i agree if kept at range thor wins but once hulk hands are on thor its basically over

  18. DX March 17, 2009 at 12:56 am -      #18

    Here is very difficult.

    Watch the dvd realese by Marvel and see Hulk Vs. Is really good.

    Hulk vs Wolverine / Hulk vs Thor

  19. Space marine March 17, 2009 at 3:00 am -      #19

    “Here is very difficult.”
    Says him.

  20. Matapiojo March 17, 2009 at 6:22 am -      #20

    I agree that the Hulk Vs. DVD is a very good piece of animation storytelling, but that is not a good indicator for the outcome of this fight. Thor has gotten quite a power buff sinse that “version” of himself.

  21. Terror April 6, 2009 at 1:01 pm -      #21

    If this is Hulk VS. Thor with the Odin Force, there’s no way for Hulk to win. (Without sloppy writing) Keep in mind, Thor with OF took down the Destroyer, an enchanted armor that supposedly is indestructable, can manipulate matter, disintegrate anything, etc… Thor took it down easily.

    Remember, Odin was a universal level being who could become 2,000 feet tall at will, and even create life. Thor is supposedly stronger than his father.

    Look at how one dimensional Hulk is compared to Thor – (With the OF) – He can teleport, fly, exceed light speed, god blast, call down mystical lightning, drain power, magically enchant objects, create force fields…

    Hulk is strong…

    Hmmmm… Wonder who’s winning that one!

    However, if this is non OF Thor, the answer is more blurred, and I believe WWH could take Thor. Hulk is by far my favorite comic character. I find Thor to be somewhat boring. But looking at capabilities, one has to admit that Thor is far and away more powerful, while Hulk is the stronger (And better brawler) of the two. Hand to hand, Hulk takes this. If Thor uses all his powers, then he takes it.

  22. Sebastian April 16, 2009 at 11:44 am -      #22

    this has already happened.. hulk killed thor… but thor was brought back to life by some mistress that was in love with him and didn’t want him to die. therefore hulk technicaly won.

  23. Matapiojo April 16, 2009 at 12:15 pm -      #23

    @Sebastian

    Please inform yourself better. Don’t just rely on a simple 30min animation written to promote and expand on recent film adaptations of these characters to supprt your contribution.

  24. marvel man who knows all April 29, 2009 at 6:44 am -      #24

    i say thor becouse in the new comics odid died and all his power went to thor

  25. XeyBoy May 11, 2009 at 12:28 am -      #25

    How about Hulk VS Silver Surfer

  26. XeyBoy May 11, 2009 at 12:31 am -      #26

    Oh yea and before you do it look up Sliver Surfer on Wikipedia WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. ss August 22, 2009 at 7:21 pm -      #27

    i think thor with the odinforce, but it makes it hard because hulks strength is always changing

  28. Pondering Fool August 28, 2009 at 3:12 pm -      #28

    @XeyBoy

    They already have a Hulk vs Silversurfer mate. You should check it on the Battle Archives.

    – pondering fool

  29. AHEM December 13, 2009 at 1:49 pm -      #29

    Thor, all the way.

    The Hulk will not be able to increase his strength to a level necessary to compete with Thor in a neutral situation. The only way he could fight him is if he was already pumped with anger before the match already began. Thor has demonstrated speeds that are massively hypersonic at the very least. As was the case with Superman vs. Hulk, the Hulk won’t have time to build up his strength before he is defeated. Without his burning angry already stoked up with time, his durability is not extreme enough to withstand attacks from Thor.

    And if the Odinforce is in play, it would be no contest. Thor could likely simply absorb all of Hulk’s energy, just as the Silver Surfer did, and leave him as plain old Banner, defenseless.

    Thor FTW.

  30. tyrone69 March 6, 2010 at 11:51 pm -      #30

    i wouldn’t be so quick to give “odin force” Thor the victoy over the “world breaker” Hulk after see Black Bolt, the Xmen, Fantastic Four, Avengers (partial.) and Ironman + the Army,and lets not forget Sentry getting thrashed the way they did. jus saying.

  31. Sparks March 7, 2010 at 12:40 am -      #31

    I don’t have a great deal of knowledge on either fella (I really haven’t looked at any comics of Thor or Hulk within the last 6 years).

    But anyway, in my very limited opinion on this topic, I’d throw my vote in with Thor.

    Hulk has the potential to grow and match/surpass Thor mayhaps, but that goes with “if he is allowed to live long enough” kind of deal.

    If Thor were to just nuke it up right out of the starting gate, could Hulk survive?
    Someone with more knowledge fill me in on that, but I don’t think he could.

    Also, what exactly does this Odinforce entail? I have seen it used in other Thor threads, but what exactly are some of the feats of it?

  32. tyrone69 March 7, 2010 at 1:19 am -      #32

    Basically he inherits his all father’s power after Ragnarok. Thor used it to recreate Asgard completly and brought back all the asgardians excluding Odin for just a start.He split a country in two literally,owned Ironman,pretty much not to be messed with ( outside of the Sentry & World Breaker Hulk.)

  33. Sparks March 7, 2010 at 2:22 am -      #33

    @Tyrone

    What does it do exactly, just make him several times stronger, or allow him to do whatever he wants, what are it’s properties?

    How did he recreate Asgard and bring back gods? Did he hit something with his hammer, or just will it to reconstruct?

  34. cjrodarte March 7, 2010 at 2:43 am -      #34

    you know they made a movie on this right. the match is over.

  35. tyrone69 March 7, 2010 at 6:27 pm -      #35

    He willed Asgard to reconstuct while doing his swinging hammer( Mjolnir ) thing the gods he awaken them from their human reincarnations after ressurecting himself. Yes serveral times stronger,as far as doing whatever he wants (see comment 22 for particulars on powers) in my opinion its a kinda sorts thing at a cost of of lot of energy type deal.He did shut down all electrical communications planet wide for a minute in honor of captain america.

  36. Godofthunder11 May 3, 2010 at 3:23 pm -      #36

    First of all Hulk is very strong and duribale. He has amazing leg power and his has limitless strenght, but thor is just as strong or stronger. Even if hulk gets stronger because of getting madder thor can match his strentgh ( thor states he holds back) and use his belt. He is also as durable or even more durable than the hulk plus he dosent need the Odin Force to win or Mjolnir he has godly strentgh and other powers. Don’t get me wrong Hulk is a freaking savage and is awesome just as thor but thor is a little bit stronger and has more abilities than hulk even though hulk is amazing

  37. Darkbladex96 May 3, 2010 at 4:14 pm -      #37

    all i know is that odin force let him see all of time and he disentergrated captn america’s shield with a glance.

  38. Frothbyte October 21, 2010 at 11:17 am -      #38

    This is ridiculous. Even if it was just classical thor, he should win this handily.

    The only reason hulk keeps winning on DVD and film adaptions is because he’s a lot more popular than thor (in the same way wolverine is more popular than the hulk which is why he is shown to stalemate hulk which is also ridiculous). You’ll notice that hulk has NEVER, not once, beaten Thor in comics… even though thor just fist fights with him and never utilizes his full powerset.

    When banner first starts off as hulk, he is below thor in strength level and can easily be knocked out by thor. But even if he was already angry enough to be stronger than thor, the god of thunder still has way better fighting abilites than hulk that will ensure that hulk hits mostly air during fist fights.

    Of course, thor can just play smart and let loose with lightnings and his god force blast while flying around… and either that kills hulk, or it weakens him enough that thor can come down and finish the job in the old fashioned way.

    Hulk is not invulnerable after all, and he can and has been knocked out before.

  39. Anarchist213 October 21, 2010 at 12:13 pm -      #39

    Hulk is invulnerable. He can’t die. So maybe Thor can fly around dodging him for eternity but he won’t be able to kill hulk. Just make him angrier.

  40. Anarchist213 October 21, 2010 at 12:15 pm -      #40

    God, not invulnerable but heals very quickly. Thor is supposedly invulnerable.

  41. Darkbladex96 October 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm -      #41

    “Hulk is invulnerable. He can’t die.”

    thats false.

  42. tartorus March 11, 2011 at 8:50 pm -      #42

    I would have to give this to the hulk first off he has beaten thor before he has also beaten up multiple greek gods ares hercules he survived a fight with zues and at his maddest footsteps have nearly broken off a coastline(when hulk found out that miek killed caiera and nearly destroyed sakaar) thor is only another god in the list that hulk has and will defeat

  43. Hac148 March 11, 2011 at 9:19 pm -      #43

    hasnt this match taken place like 60 times over the course of marvel? avengers mainly, but there was a specific dvd called hulks vs thor where hulk just rocked his shit for ever. this fight has actually gone down many times, and every time the hulk just overpowers thor

  44. Soldier's Shadow March 11, 2011 at 9:34 pm -      #44

    Thor could probably eliminate the base form of the Hulk as he won’t be sufficiently strong enough to match Thor but if Odinson has the Odin Force, something tells me Hulk ain’t winning this match.

    I’m leaning towards Thor but Hulk shouldn’t be counted out yet…

  45. Sparks March 11, 2011 at 9:38 pm -      #45

    Tulk vs. Hhor

    (mycommentisn’tshort,mycommentisaverage)

  46. Michael50210 March 11, 2011 at 10:03 pm -      #46

    Lol nice sparks.

    Seeing as how HULK SMASH(es) everything in his path, and from the above info, I would say that it is easily within Hulk’s ability to “HULK SMASH PUNY THUNDER MAN!”

  47. man March 11, 2011 at 10:54 pm -      #47

    Can Thor fly? That may be the only way he can keep Hulk at bay.
    The moment he lands, he will immediately be torn to pieces by an extremely angry giant.

  48. DReager1 May 2, 2012 at 12:18 pm -      #48

    Thor takes the win in this match :D

  49. Soldier's Shadow October 31, 2012 at 10:55 am -      #49

    Thor wins. He can simply BFR the Hulk since base Hulk really can’t stand up to Thor on any level that means anything.

  50. Cananatra October 31, 2012 at 10:59 am -      #50

    Well considering when they did meet hulk kicked thors ass, my money is on hulk.

  51. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 11:03 am -      #51

    PIS was involved likely, Thor holds back when he fights Hulk cause he doesn’t want to kill his friend, there have been times where Thor nearly killed Hulk and one example where in a timeline that was later altered he Killed Hulk. Even without that Thor is able to match Hulk for extended periods of time with Hulk increasing in anger. Then there was Fear Itself where Thor pimp smacked a Norse magic enhanced Hulk into orbit.
    But enough talk, it’s feat time baby.
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    feats for Thor all these are either before he had Odinforce or after so Rune King should have at least this level.
    hurting Galactus
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1435009-thor_vs_galactus_01_super.jpg
    ———
    flying from mars to the sun
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1461704-thor_vs_sentry_09_super.jpg
    ———-
    saving Red Hulk from a Black Hole
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1627807-red_hulk_vs_thor_11_super.jpg
    ———
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1348125-phase_disruption_super.jpg
    Thor disrupting Vision’s phasing not sure if that helps here but it’s there.
    —————-
    Thor standing in the core of the sun gives him Pre new 52 Supes level durability at least.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1348120-hurting_a_out_of_reality_atum_super.jpg
    —————-
    reacting to quicksilver and saying he has fought people faster.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1608652-thor_vs_quicksilver_01_super.jpg
    ————-
    catching up to and then outrunning Ego the living planet while Ego was in hyperspace.
    i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/AST02-007.jpg
    i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/AST02-008.jpg
    i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Thor%20Respect/AST02-009.jpg
    I’m not sure how fast Ego is in Hyperspace besides faster than light but Thor must have been going at least twice the speed of Ego to get ahead of him.
    —————
    can bfr people to underspace
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1348133-underspace_1_super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1348135-underspace_2_super.jpg
    ————–
    or Limbo
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34373/1348145-teleportation_to_limbo_super.jpg
    —————-
    superior durability to Silver Surfer
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2003794-the_mighty_thor_scan__2__super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2003797-the_mighty_thor_scan__3__super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2003776-the_mighty_thor_scan__4__super.jpg
    —————–
    Denting Silver Surfer’s head
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/87799/1835732-thorsurfer_super.jpg
    ——————–
    fighting and beating possessed Hulk during Fear Itself
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2006379-fi_5_oroboros_cps_014_super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2006363-fi_5_oroboros_cps_028_super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2006376-fi_5_oroboros_cps_030_super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2006364-fi_5_oroboros_cps_031_super.jpg
    —————–
    Rune King Thor in an alternate timeline owning Thing and Hulk and killing them.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/2009682-thor_king_vs_hulk___thing_super.png
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/2009684-thor_king_vs_hulk___thing_ii_super.png
    ——————–
    I’ll post some more later

  52. Cananatra October 31, 2012 at 11:06 am -      #52

    Denting the surfers head was plain cool.

  53. Soldier's Shadow October 31, 2012 at 11:10 am -      #53

    And Guardian stole my thunder (unintentional pun!) but said all I would have on the topic.

  54. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 11:11 am -      #54

    Yes, yes it was.
    Plus like I showed during Fear Itself he beat Hulk after Hulk was possesed by one of the Fallen guys, meaning Hulk was likely on Thor’s level in all respects at that moment.
    ———–
    tanking a salvo of attacks from Thanos armada
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108927/2338035-ThorDurability11a-EnergyMarvelTwoIn_super.jpg
    ———————
    tanks planet busting doomsday bomb
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108927/2338048-ThorDurability27-Energy387_super.jpg
    ———————
    disruption of Visions phasing
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/128505/2525788-1348125-phase_disruption_super_super.jpg
    ———————-
    absorbing power cosmic
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/128505/2525916-1348097-power_cosmic_super_super.jpg
    ———————-
    standing at the center of the sun
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/128505/2526009-1348323-the_heart_of_the_sun_super_super.jpg
    ———————–
    killing possessed Ben Grimm in Fear Itself
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2003777-fear_itself_scan___1__super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83594/2003811-fear_itself_scan___2__super.jpg
    that’s before he tears into possessed Hulk, notice the last comment by Thor “and him I liked….but you were always a giant pain in the ass” Nothing stopping Thor this time anymore than there was there.

  55. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 11:13 am -      #55

    @SS
    Sorry, didn’t mean to be more lightning quick to the trigger than you there.
    But yeah, basically Thor can just pimp smack Hulk into the next galaxy.
    ———————-
    and also just saw the last part, before the world is shattered, is that an actual they have to do this before earth is shattered thing or just flowery language?
    ————
    second question, do Beta Ray Bill feats count for Thor?

  56. Soldier's Shadow October 31, 2012 at 11:18 am -      #56

    ” Sorry, didn’t mean to be more lightning quick to the trigger than you there.”

    No need to apologize, mate. Its good.

    “second question, do Beta Ray Bill feats count for Thor?”

    I know that Bill is largely the same as Thor (but in space) but I don’t know enough to say for or otherwise on associating the two on feats.

  57. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 11:23 am -      #57

    @SS
    I ask cause I have a feat of Bill making storm clouds cover a star, not block it out of the sky but actual storm clouds on the star. Since Bill shouldn’t be more powerful than Thor I would think Thor would be able to do the same kind of things, like Planet Bust which I have scans of Bill doing.

  58. Doc Samson October 31, 2012 at 2:58 pm -      #58

    If we can use BRB feats for thor than he can probably do this:
    BRB Teleports a small black hole:
    i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_misc10.jpg
    Beta Ray bill needs a match on BankGambling cause he has the balls to stand up to Galactus:
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108927/2452161-brbgodhunter1lg_super.jpg

  59. PeteSkizzle October 31, 2012 at 4:03 pm -      #59

    While the first knee-jerk reaction would be to vote for Hulk, there are just too many abilities that would make this match in Thor’s favor.

    1)SPATIAL POWERS: A) Ability to materialized anywhere across the known Marvel Universe (Fantastic Four-#339, Thor-#165). B) Ability to create Dimensional portals or Rifts (Thor Annual#16, Avengers#309). Also, able to send an entire population to LIMBO for their own protection (Thor#192). C) In addition, Thor’s hammer has the capability to send just about ANY SENTIENT BEING to just about any other LOCATION in the known Universe-Avengers-#180 vs. the Monolith, or DIMENSIONS (the Fourth, the Fifth, the Sixth, or even the Seventh Dimension- it doesn’t matter) See- Avengers-#9, and Avengers-#16(vol.1), or even an ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE-Avengers-#7 (vol.1). Specifically, Thor doesn’t necessarily need to create a vortex to remove any immediate threat- See-Thor-# 279 vs. Ulik, Thor-#173, and Thor-#425 where a blast by Thor’s hammer ripped wide the fabric of the Universe itself and sent Surtur and Yimir to the Death Dimension. Thus, Thor can literally send anything, or anyone to the other side of the Galaxy thousands of light years away with just a mere magic bolt fired at his enemy. One of the GREATEST EXAMPLE of Thor’s Spatial capability occurred in Thor-#242, when Horus, Osiris, and Isis Giant Pyramid destroyed a significant portion of the Orange Groves (Trees) of San Diego, California when it sprouted from beneath the Earth in their search of Odin. All of then were all fully restored along with the vanishing of the great Pyramid by a vortex created by Thor’s MAGICAL hammer-as if the destruction that took place there never happened. Now, that’s power!!!! Another great example of Thor’s Spatial capability occurred when the hammer passed right through Kang’s Force Field and struck him as if the Force-Field was not present at all-See Avengers-Annual-#21. Kang was near death by the blow from Thor’s hammer. Therefore, characters like Magneto, Graviton, or even the Molecule Man are not, in fact, EXACTLY safe inside their Force-Field. In addition, Thor can call his hammer from even deep space; distance doesn’t seem to be an obstacle- Avengers-#19.

    2) TRANSMUTATION OF ELEMENTS: Thor transmuted the Absorbing Man’s wood and iron body to helium (a gas). See Journey Into Mystery #115. Emphatically, in this issue, Thor explicitly said that, “I have the power to transmute the Elements themselves”.

    3) THERMOBLAST: The ability to produce a Planet shaking Thermo-Blast capable of decimating an entire Planet (Ego). See Thor#133.

    4) BARRIERS: Thor’s hammer can produce barriers a la the Invisible Women (see Thor#181, and Thor#395). In Thor-#181 not even EXTREMELY innovative Earth weapon’s blasts could make even a dent on Thor’s Force-Field that surrounded the U.N. In addition, Thor said that his hammer could surely have contained Stellaris Cosmic Flash that would have consumed the entire Planet Earth-See Thor-#421. However, if you think that’s something, Thor once created an indestructible Mystical Vortex that CONTAINED the explosion of a Life-Bomb that would have destroyed a Fifth of the Marvel Universe-AVENGERS-ANNUAL-#16. If that’s the case, then Thor did managed to save literally millions of Galaxies, as a result.

    5) POWER TO ABSORB: A) Thor’s hammer can absorb limitless amount of energy. For instance, Thor’s hammer absorbed the energy of a Null Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire Galaxy and turn it to Cosmic energy and Re-Ignite a Dead Sun (a Galaxy may contain 200 billion to 400 billions Solar Systems-depending on their relative size). B) In Avengers-#171, from a DISTANCE, Thor absorbed Ultron’s entire energy source with just a single blast from his hammer. C) Thor’s hammer can, also, absorb other significant sources of energy including: Cosmic (Silver Surfer-#4), also, when Thor completely absorbed Sky-Walker’s Cosmic raging Tempest into his hammer-Thor-#305. Also, Radioactive energy (Avengers-#304), Magnetism (Thor#-387) where Thor absorbed a portion of the Planet of Pangoria’s Magnetic energy, and Magneto’s Personal Magnetic Field-JIM-#109; and Mystical- specifically, when he absorbed a significant mystical portion of EVERY Earth’s PANTHEON (Thor#301), and Pluto’s Deadly (mystical) Fire-Flame-#Thor-#223. In addition, Thor can absorb Magic from a DISTANCE-Avengers-#276. D) It’s important to, also, point out that Thor’s hammer can absorbed many of these particular sources of energy, and RETURN IT back to the originator; sometimes amplify many times over.

    Note: It’s really no wonder at all that Thor absorbed the Electromagnetic energies of the Celestial Mother-ship with such ease- see Thor#288.

    6) LIFE-FORCE, OR GOD-FORCE: Thor’s immortal life force could be more powerful than the mystical properties of his hammer; that when combined with the power of his hammer can release incredible amounts of energy- Thor#388. Galactus tasted defeat when Thor used the Life Force on him- see Thor#161. Thor’s Life-Force, or God-Force, also destroyed the Brain Dome of the 20,000ft. Tall Celestial Exitar; which should be many times more durable than Adamantiun considering their thousands, if not, millions of years of technology ahead of the human race. Also, the Destroyer using ALL OF HIS POWERS at his command could not destroy Thor’s Life-Force- See Thor-#381.

    7) REVERSE ENERGY: A) Thor’s hammer can reverse energy polarities (Avengers#70 vs. Hyperion- when Thor reverse the Atomic process that gave Hyperion his powers, and reduced him to the size of an Ant. B) Thor Annual#16 (Beta Ray Bill vs. Ego) In this instance, BRB was in the verge of drawing out all of Ego’s Magnetic Polarities to outer space, and Ego happens to be an entire Planet. C) Thor reversed the Enchanter’s Magic that initially transformed humans to Monsters-Thor-#18. In addition, Thor’s hammer can reverse a Psychic attack- see Thor #428.

    8) INCREASE THE POWER OF LIGHTNING, AND OTHERS: Thor can increase the lightning effectiveness TEN THOUSAND FOLDS!!!!-See Thor-#421; or perhaps more, and increase and magnify just about any OTHER type of energy source several times over-see THOR-#22 vs. Thanos, and Avengers-#8 (vol.1) vs. Kang. An excellent example would be when Thor defeated Prime by increasing single lightning bolt a hundred folds, and proceeded by blast him with it (Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel 100 million feet a second). However, the MOST devastating lightning attack ever conceived by Thor is one that involves the “PUREST OF LIGHTNING”. In other words, a bolt of “Purest of Lightning”; which is a Magical bolt that emanates FROM THOR’S HAMMER- creates a chain reaction of pure energy causing the ground SURROUNDING the blast to ERUPT like a living VOLCANO; thus, producing a Giant Crater along with a Holocaust of White-Hot Lava. Thor-#156. Thor had to escape not only by running, but FLYING out of the ensuing danger or else he would had, most certainly, forfeit his life. How did the Silver Age Mangog survive, or was not seriously injured, by a DIRECT-HIT of this bolt is beyond me. If some fans were highly impressed by DC’s Captain Marvel effective lightning attack on Superman, what in the world would they think about a lightning bolt such as that one created by Thor against the Mangog? Not even ashes would remain of Superman if Thor would strike at him directly with such a bolt of pure energy, and, to be perfectly honest, Thor doesn’t really need that much firepower to blast, for instance, anything including a Ship to Atoms-See-Avengers-#82 (vol.1). And, finally, Thor can effectively direct multiple lightning strikes as he once did against several Celestials at the same time-Thor-#300.

    9) SPY: Thor could spy on people like a closed circuit TV. From same dimension, or another without being noticed- see Thor#278. With such power you could find just about any criminals, serial killers, terrorist, etc. with relatively ease.

    10) SPEED: A) Thor could throw the hammer at the speed of light. See Thor#140, Thor#274; and, or can swing the hammer at TWICE the speed of light- Journey Into Mystery#102. B) In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. C) Also, Thor could appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). D) In addition, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happen when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes). E) In the early issues of Journey Into Mystery, there were instances that Thor used Super-Human speed, physically speaking-that is. However, it’s impossible to measure his speed based on those depictions. However, in Marvel Team-up#26, it gives a slight more accurate description on Thor’s Super-Human speed, and you could make a similar case in Invaders-#33, where Thor (with his hammer) deflected artillery bullets fired at him by moving his ENITRE LEFT ARM at super-Human speed. Specifically, in Marvel Team Up-#26, the writer makes it fundamentally clear that Thor can move almost faster than mere MORTAL eyes can follow, and in Thor-#354, Thor was toying with Hela using speed that according to her was beyond comprehension. Thor stated that he was swift as the very lightning itself. G) Finally, the High Evolutionary using Thor’s DNA, did create a real Super-Speedster in Zefra. Question is, does Thor possess similar potential to that of Zefra due to his own unique DNA? After all, Thor’s DNA is quite different than that of mortals- Avengers-#14 (vol.1)- that’s for the writers to decide in some future date, I guess.

    Note: There’s been much debate by fans all-over regarding the difficulty that Mongoose presents on Thor due to his great speed. However, there shouldn’t be any debate concerning any threat that Mongoose can pose on Thor, since it’s firmly established that: 1) Thor can see objects, or beings moving at fantastic speeds, and 2) Thor can react even faster to defend himself against these specific threats. If artillery bullets can go from anywhere from 600 ft. per second to more than 5,000 ft. a second, why would anyone believe that Thor would be in trouble against someone like Mongoose, who could never be hope to attain such speed? Thor said, as the speed of his hammer physically deflected Mongoose, “My mystic mallet can attain velocities which are BEYOND your ability to grasp!” In other words, let us assume that a Marvel character like Gladiator, who can’t possibly defeat Thor from a distance, decides to use super-speed on him, he might just as well be committing suicide- considering how dangerously powerful Thor’s hammer truly is, plus the hammer could reach velocity that exceeds well-above the speed of light. The Kinetic effect would be UTTERLY devastating. Picture an object that weights practically thousands of tons (The Hulk couldn’t even budge the hammer when he tried to lifted using the Full strength of both his arms, and the people of Pangoria’s mightiest Cranes couldn’t budge it either) whirling at fantastic speed and striking someone, or something coming at incredible speed as well; to put it simply (considering the latter), whatever the hammer hits, it DESTROYS.

    Also, I believe that Marvel should re-consider that non-living things, such as Androids, or Mechanical-Man shouldn’t be able to lift Thor’s hammer, due to the simple fact that they could use the hammer to kill innocent beings. Remember, what makes Thor’s hammer so indestructible is not so much the extreme molecular density of the Uru (a Magical Metallic Substance), but the enchantments placed in it by Odin. Air-Walker (an Android) almost literally killed Thor with his own hammer-Thor-#305). Think what might happen if an Android gone mad would use the hammer on ordinary beings. Plus, the fact that not even Androids could lift Thor’s hammer would definitely make the hammer even more precious and mysterious.

    11) INVULNERABILITY: The following are historical examples of incredibly devastating forces that has been used against Thor. Thor has survived each of these highly Lethal attacks, and most of the time have come out unscathed. A) Thor has been on the receiving end of Zeus and Blitziana’s LIGHTNING bolts. B) Thor withstood a barrage of ARTILLARY fire with ease, and a Heat Seeking Missile- see Thor#480, and Thor-#247; C) and in the J. Kirby’s days Thor used to test his invulnerability by having a Cobalt Bomb explode next to him. D) Kang’s Dissolution blast to the EXTREME did not fell Thor-Avengers-#143, and in Avengers-#295 Mechanosaurus struck Thor with a Megahertz Artillery fire that would easily destroy any vehicle to pieces- with no visible effect on Thor (Note: even bullets from a powerful sub-machine gun can’t hope to accomplish the same amount of penetration or destruction that could a Megahertz artillery attack by Mechnanosaurus). In Avengers-#5-pg 20- it explicitly stated that nothing, not even an ATOMIC BLAST could injure Thor, or his hammer. E) Thor resisted the full power of the Man from Saturn’s Graviton ray-Thor-#255. F) Thor withstood the Thermal Man’s HEAT blast that could melt Tanks instantly, also, Thor was insensitive to the Lava Man’s attack- see Avengers #5. In addition, Thor withstood a direct hit by Firelord’s Cosmic Flame with absolutely no dire visible effect on him- Thor-#306, and Ghost Rider’s Flame proved to be totally ineffectual against Thor, as well- Avengers-#214, and when the Planet Ego raised his internal heat temperature to the EXTREME, it had no affect on Thor-See Thor-#133. G) Thor was unaffected by an Alien Freeze Ray-Avengers-#14 (vol.1). H) In terms of indescribable sheer Magical, and Cosmic power, for instance, Thor was just temporarily stunned by Ego’s pulsating energy attack that would, physically, have rendered AN ENTIRE RACE UNCOUNSCIOUS- Thor-#133. In addition, Thor withstood blast by Odin-Thor-#241, by the Celestials-Thor-#300, and by a space Armada-Avengers-Annual#7. However, the three most impressive testimony events that showed Thor’s invulnerability, however, was when he, almost, took a direct hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion Thor felt from space to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Also, Thor resisted the weight of Multitude of Planets-Thor Annual-#9, and the Gravity of a Neutron Star-Thor-#282. The other event took place when Thor paid an uninvited visit to ATUM in the Sun’s core. If you think that this wasn’t enough, Thor has survive incredible physical punishment by the likes of the Destroyer, Durok, the Mangog, Surtur- Thor-#351, by the Devourer-Marvel Two In One-#23, The Thermal Man, Terminus, the 300,000 ft. tall Rhun god when he swatted Thor aside-Thor#220, and the Celestial- The One Above All- when he not only swatted Thor aside, but did hurled at him unnumbered tons of delicate machinery at him with no significant adverse effect on Thor-See Thor-#288.

    12) ELEMENTAL POWERS: That can transcend to other dimensions, and or space and time (see-Thor#188). No other Superhero in the Multiverse has that scope of elemental powers. In addition, Thor’s hammer can tap, practically, on just about any Elemental Phenomenon in the Cosmos, like, for example, the limitless energy of a Maelstrom and used that energy as a Cosmic weapon. A Celestial Maelstrom can literally drag large Meteors, or Asteroids around at Fantastic Speed-Thor-#261. The power of a Hurricane is next to nothing compare to the devastating power of a Celestial Maelstrom. Also, Thor’s power can create Thunderstorm, Tidal Waves, and exploding Volcanoes on a Planetary scale-Journey Into Mystery-#94. In fact, if, somehow, Thor’s hammer is unmade the consequences are unthinkable and cataclysmic: Not only Erupting Volcano’s worldwide, Tidal Waves would immediately ensue, but Impact of Celestial bodies, as well- Avengers-#330. Also, Thor can use the power of the storm at a moment’s notice. For instance, Thor used a spear of wind, or an indescribable powerful tornado, that he literally pushed against Surtur, that cause Surtur to say: “NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH FORCE!” And, in that same issue, Thor used the power of the Storm to divert an Asteroid from it’s course and hurl it against Surtur-Thor-#177. In addition, Thor’s power over the Storm can create enough suction to whisk famous landmarks like the Eiffel Tower into the Atmosphere-JIM-#94.

    13) TRANSMIGRATION OF SOULS: Thor’s hammer has the ability to transmigrate souls- see Thor#363.

    14) HEALING FACTOR: Thor’s hammer can speed up healing (Thor#155).

    15) ERASE MEMORY: Thor’s hammer can, in effect, erase memory (Invaders#33).

    16) SLEEP: Thor’s hammer can really put you to sleep (Thor#372).

    17) A DETECTOR, OR THOR’S HAMMER ABILITY TO TRACK: Thor’s hammer can detect where evil is a foot (Thor#417); or can track anyone who doesn’t want to be found (Avengers#14). In addition, Thor’s hammer can track practically all kinds of energy signature-Thor Corps-#1, Avengers-#309, and Strange Tales-#182. In addition, something that is called ELECTRONS FREE FLOWING enables Thor’s hammer to detect any Asgardian’s Aura by their electron’s discharge- See Journey Into MYstery#104.

    18) HEARING: Thor can, Mystically, hear when someone is calling his name-Thor-#342 (distance doesn’t seem to be an obstacle). Thor was presently in Manhattan, when an old Viking was calling Thor from the Continent of Antarctica.

    19) VITALITY: Thor’s hammer can increase VITALITY to any being that finds himself in a significant weak state. I guess Viagra, and Ginseng would have to take a serious back seat to Thor’s hammer in this case-See Thor-#343.

    20) COSMIC ENERGY: Thor’s hammer can produce Cosmic Energy (Avengers#5).

    21) SOLAR FLARES: Thor’s hammer can produce Solar Flares; which is about twice the temperature of the Sun.

    22) ANTI-MATTER PARTICLES: Thor’s hammer can manufacture Anti-Matter particles. These particles could potentially erase anyone, or anything from existence. It’s little wonder why Kang’s Anti-Matter Screen that’s capable of instantly disintegrating any Earthly matter did not affected Thor’s hammer in the least-See Avengers-#8 (vol.1).

    23) ALPHA PARTICLES: Thor’s hammer can harness Alpha Particles from the atmosphere and could use it to Atomize any weaponry, JIM-#102.

    24) INTERDIMENSIONAL ENERGY: Thor’s hammer can tap or attract quantities of Interdimensional Matrix energy (In this case, Matrix meaning from the main or principal source). This is certainly an extraordinary significant power and ability-Thor-#395.

    25) INVISIBILITY AND INTANGIBILITY: In order to protect the Black Knight, Thor created a vortex surrounding the Black Knight that was completely Invisible and Intangible to all eyes except Thor’s-Avengers-#300. Also, in a quarrel against the Vision, Thor used his hammer to completely disrupt the Vision while he was in a Intangible state, thus rendering the Vision senseless-Avengers Annual-#8. In addition, check LS list below on Thor-#428 regarding Phasing.

    26) CROWD MANIPULATION: Thor’s hammer can put literally an entire crowd in a trance, or totally under his control by using the Sun’s rays-Thor-#102. The head of Thor’s hammer lights up like a mini-Sun.

    27) MAGNETISM: Thor can attract or magnetize Mechanical constructs into the ground, such as Flying Vehicles, Giant robots (JIM-#101,102), and even sentient beings like Loki. Thor attracted him when he was about to jump from a cliff-Avengers-#no.1. In addition, Thor’s hammer can create a MAGNETIC FIELD (a la Magneto) that enabled him to temporarily transport himself, Captain America, Sersi, Jarvis and Spiderman to a pre-determine destination-Avengers-#315. This makes quite a lot of sense since Thor’s power over Magnetism has been well documented since the creation of his character in the early 60’s.
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    28) ANTI-GRAVITY: (SOMETIMES, MISTAKENLY CALLED ANTI-FORCE): A power that can literally Physically incapacitates his opponent, and sent then where they came from. Thor did this to the Super-Skrull when he sent him from Earth to his space ship in Earth’s orbit. The Super-Skrull said, “I AM HELPLESS—caught in the grip of a FORCE I cannot begin to comprehend!” This power is similar to that of Graviton. Another such example occurred when Beta Ray Bill-Thor- #440- repelled the Giant Uroc upward against gravity to the surprise of both Dargo and Thundestrike.

    29) ANTI-FORCE: The full power of the Anti-Force is so unbelievably powerful and the fury of such blast is so indescribable that Thor, with just one blast, once took out an entire Battalion of Barbarians along with Boulders, and a Giant Tank that was literally ripped to shreds against that devastating onslaught-Thor-#205. In terms of range, Thor’s Anti-Force could cover a wide area. In Thor-#207, Thor was trapped by Giant Boulders, and with just one Power-Blast the Giant Boulders were torn to pieces. Against Ego, Thor destroyed an entire Building thrown at Thor at close range with another Power-Blast-Thor-#203.

    30) MIND RESISTANCE: Thor resisted the Mind-Thrust Of the Colonizer, the Mind Blast of the Super-Beast- THOR-#135, and resisted a Mind-Storm Blast that the Beast, Iron Man, and most especially Moondragon could not-Avengers-#138.

    31) NETHERWORLD POWER: or power from the dark dimensions (Thor#101). Check on Ghost Rider unique Supernatural abilities.

    32) ESSENCE OF LIGHT: Thor’s hammer infused the Demon Darkoth with the Essence of Light to counteract Mephisto’s Essence of Evil. Thus, turning the Demon away from Mephisto’s Evil control- Thor-#325.

    33) STAMINA AND DURABILITY: Thor could endure a prolonged battle for a period of months without pause, or respite against Zeus (Thor#Annual#8).

    34) THE HAMMER ALWAYS RETURNS: No matter the distance the hammer is thrown, or what it strikes the hammer always returns to Thor.

    35) ABILITY TO FLY: Thor’s hammer provides the ability for Thor to fly at such speed that he can literally become invisible-JIM-#94, and can perform complicated maneuvers like performing a Pinwheel around a Flying Trans-Atlantic Jet-JIM-#107. Thor top flying speed has been clocked at THREE TIMES the speed of LIGHT-Thor-#185. In addition, Thor can transport the Avengers by literally flying together from one area of the city to another-Avengers-#58.

    36) INTELLIGENCE: Thor’s former alter ego Dr. Blake was a highly intelligent, skill physician, who specialized in surgery; plus, he knows the way of this mundane world since he lived among the human race for some time. In addition, Thor is part of a superior advance alien race. This was manifested in Journey Into Mystery#95, where Dr. Blake constructed an Android that could withstand the blows of Thor’s hammer; and provided this Android with, almost, unlimited intelligence. Also, in the same issue, Dr. Blake, by duress, helped a scientist with an apparatus that could duplicate anything or anybody; including Thor and his hammer. Talk about instant cloning!!! Also, we must not forget that the Asgardians had, in the past, used highly technical advance weapons against the likes of Surtur, The Mangog, Seth, etc; including, when Odin provided Thor a Star Ship for the purpose of finding Galactus in their second encounter. Furthermore, Thor knows most of Earth’s languages- Thor-#290.

    37) MJOLNIR’S STRENGTH: A) Thor’s hammer is capable of shattering entire Mountains- Thor-#156, pulverizing small Planetoids (see Thor#400), could shake an entire planet (see Thor#388), or even destroy an entire World- Thor-#125. With just a hard tap (with the hammer) Thor completely broke Loki’s arm. Thor simply holds back against his opponent because he doesn’t want to take a life- see Thor#305. However, when he decides to end someone’s existence he could do it with just a single blow-See Thor’s-#374, where he killed the Super-Strong Mutant Block-Buster with just a blow from Mjolnir. To really analyze the full strength of Thor’s hammer- in Thor#388, Thor shook the planet Pangoria without even hitting the surface of the planet (the Celestial Exitar took the hit). What this mean is: that you can drop a dozen Hydrogen Bombs in one single place, or point, and that still wouldn’t shake a whole planet. B) Also, the power within the hammer can, also, destroy an entire World- Fantastic Four-#339. In fact, the full power of the hammer can radiate with the energy of a THOUSAND SUNS…enough to even destroy an Entity such as Surtur. Thor stated AFFIRMATIVELY that this incomprehensible energy gathered by his hammer would have, indeed, destroyed Surtur… the eldest, and probably the most powerful Elemental in the Marvel Universe. Only the Twighlight Sword saved Surtur from destruction-Thor-#351.

    38) WARRIOR’S SKILLS: Thor is an expert at fighting in armed and unarmed combat, and should know most of his opponent vital weakness. At least this is the way it was portrayed in the first famous Marvel vs. DC crossover. He’s the best warrior in Asgard. The Absorbing Man, when he acquire Thor’s powers and could not defeat him, he said: “It ain’t fair!!!” “What’s good my strength, my power if I can’t land a blow?”, “I didn’t know it was gonna be like this!!!” The very same thing happened to Warlock, to the Juggernaut (when Thor took his invulnerable force field), Mr. Hyde (Thor#106), also, Pluto and Ares (the god of war) when Thor really cut loose in Blood And Thunder. In addition, Thor outclassed in the strength department, defeated Ares who triple his strength-Thor-#223, and had Ulik on the ropes irrespective of the fact that Ulik augmented his strength several times over, defeated the Android Zotarr-Thor-#238, but the most impressive victory of all was when Thor defeated Grog the god crusher without his powers, super-strength, and being a mortal-Thor-#397. To put it simply, Thor’s skills are simply phenomenal. However, the best testimony of Thor’s power and skills came from the mouth of none other than Captain America. In Thor-#390, Captain America said when he lifted Thor’s hammer, “I’ve never wielded such LIMITLESS POWER before!” “It’s almost intoxicating!” In Avengers-#4 (vol.1), Captain America said, “Thor’s hammer!” “It’s the most AWESOME weapon I’ve ever seem!” Finally, in Avengers-Annual-#18, Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, “He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war.” “His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries.”

    39) SUPER-STRENGTH: Thor is the strongest pound for pound Superhero in the Marvel Universe. It’s true that the Hulk is just as strong as Thor, but he probably weights twice as much. There’re many unparallel feats of Thor’s strength that should be worth mentioning. For instance, A) In Thor-#94- with just a slight pressure from Thor’s little finger he toppled leaning Tower of Pisa; B) in Thor-#95, Thor easily ripped apart the door of a special constructed safe that could resist a Ton (2,000 lbs.) of TNT; C) Thor sculpted a hammer from an Alien Tank by compressing together Tons of the Armor plating-Thor-#281, and tossed a Giant Alien Tank a significant distance as if were just a simple toy-Avengers-#219; D) Thor towed away a broken Jetliner full of passengers by flying it out of the Celestial stronghold in South America-Thor-#284. E) Thor, with his enormous strength, broke through wrap-around cables made of an alloy of Adamantiun-Thor-#309. F) Thor lifted and balanced a 40 plus story Building along with Cranes on top of the Building-Thor-#391; G) Thor towed the Entire Avengers Hydrobase-Avengers-#301, H) Thor with his strength closed a fissure that he created in the Planets crust, and then he proceeded by sealing Loki in it under millions Tons of Earth with the might of his limb-Avengers West Coast-#55; I) Thor sent an Alien with such physical force that he went literally flying through Earth’s Orbit and straight outside our Solar System-JIM-#90; J) Thor lifted the Midgard Serpent which girds the entire Earth and holds the Ocean in place-Thor-#272.

    40) IMMORTALITY: Thor is an immortal-Nuff said.

    Others: There are others powers Thor’s hammer has displayed over the years like, for instance, IMPLODING a STARGATE- Thor-#445 (no more SG-1, guys!!!), or creating a Magical Vortex that tightens when the enemy struggle’s away-Thor-#223. In fact, Thor, at one point, used to have the power of TIME, but, mysteriously (and for no reasons, whatsoever) Marvel decided to take that power away from Thor. Also, Thor has, voluntarily, denied himself of OTHER powers- see Annual#15. We might never know what these powers are. But, I guess this has to do with humility. After all, didn’t Odin turn Thor to a mortal for that same purpose? And hasn’t Thor stated to The Avengers during that Orka issue-Avengers-#149- that he wasn’t using his full powers all the time? I guess that’s, probably, the real reason Thor denied himself some of these powers. In conclusion, Thor’s full potential might never be known. In fact, in Thor-Annual-#11, Odin said to O’Gea the Earth goddess, “I seek an heir whose powers surpasses Asgard.” Thor being the son of a Sky-Father and the Earth goddess is much more than any Asgardian, and, therefore, his Life-Force must be, indeed, unbelievably powerful.

    Some of Thor’s feats:
    Journey Into Mystery #86-Uses his breath to cause hurricane force winds.
    Survives a cobalt bomb.
    JIM 90-Throws an alien with enough force that he’s sent flying from Earth to outside our solar system.
    JIM 92-Uses his fingers to gouge a Uru hammer out of a boulder of pure Uru.
    JIM 94-Thor flys so fast that he’s invisible.
    Crushes Uru shackles to dust.
    Causes earthquakes by striking the ground with lightning.
    JIM 115-Molecularly changes the Absorbing Man from one element to another with Mjolnir.
    JIM 131-Breaks the mind thrust (control) of the Rigelian Colonizers.
    Thor 185-Flies three times the speed of light.
    Thor 205-Thor defeats the hosts of Hel.
    Thor 222-Defeats Ares who’s strength had been tripled to 210 tons.
    Thor 242-Teleports the pyramid of Egypt with Mjolnir.
    Thor 272 & 379-Thor lifts one leg of the Midgard Serpent.
    Thor 281-Resists the gravity of a Neutron Star.
    Thor 300-lifts and throws the Odinsword (weighing at least 50,000 tons)
    Thor 324 & 416-Falls 500 feet and survives without any injury.
    Thor 327-Pulls the Midgard Serpent off of Midgard with a fishing pole.
    Thor 387-Survives a bomb blast that destroys a planet.
    Thor 388-(With Belt of Strength and Iron gauntlets) Hits the Celestial Exitar with Mjolnir with enough force that it reduces nearby mountians to rubble and tears open a hole in Exitar’s body.
    Thor uses his Godforce blast to crack open Exitar’s brain dome.
    Thor 391-Holds up a skyscraper while dizzy from inhaling gas.
    Thor 400-Creates a whirlwind so big and powerful that it knocks out Surtur.
    Thor 407-Uses Mjolnir to absorb the energy of a Rigellian “Null Bomb” capable of destroying a galaxy.
    Thor 414-Beats Ulik who’s strength had been increased a thousandfold.
    Thor 425 lifts and throws Surturs sword Twilight
    Thor 428-Rearranges his molecules after being phased into the ground by Shadowcat and frees himself.
    Uses his reflexes to to stop a telepathic bolt fired at him by Phoenix.
    Those are just some of his awesome feats.

  60. Aelfinn October 31, 2012 at 4:19 pm -      #60

    ^Yeah… we’re gonna need scans.

    Now, I don’t know much about Marvel, but the scenario says that Betty has been killed, and that he blames Thor for it. I don’t know how strong that would make him, but the scenario says that he’s as pissed, if not more so, than he’s ever been.

    Thoughts?

  61. Alpha or Omega October 31, 2012 at 4:32 pm -      #61

    Thor still wins, I’m pretty sure he still has that FTL thing going on and create earthquakes with his hands.
    /
    Also, WWH didn’t dodge that satellite laser that took him out. So, I’m sure that Hulk is pretty much the slow brute in this scenario.
    The planet would probably go boom by the end of this match as well.

  62. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 4:57 pm -      #62

    @Aelfinn
    Some of what he mentioned is in the scans I posted.
    And Thor is able to go min 5000 FTL (Ego was going that speed and Thor passed him) which is in the first post I posted here with scans. At the time I didn’t know Ego’s speed there but its 5000 FTL. So Thor had to go a min of 5001 FTL to do so.
    On top of that the Fear Itself scan shows Thor knocking Hulk into Orbit after killing the Thing. This time Thor may not hold back so much if at all. And considering Beta Ray Bill can planet bust and Thor is at least that strong……and factoring that at his angriest WWH only cracked continents, a Planet busting hammer slap should put him somewhere near Alpha Centauri

  63. Aelfinn October 31, 2012 at 6:51 pm -      #63

    “And Thor is able to go min 5000 FTL”

    That was in hyperspace. I think the fastest feat he’s had on his own is 3 times FTL. But it’s not like it matters in this fight, that’s still too fast for Hulk.

  64. Amm0vamp1r3 October 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm -      #64

    I would think thor takes this.

  65. Sauroposeidon October 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm -      #65

    …. >_>

    ….. <_> –
    …… *pulls a chuck*

    Godzilla solos.

    I'm so sorry, BankGambling. I couldn't help it.

  66. CH1C4N0444 October 31, 2012 at 7:31 pm -      #66

    Hulk vs Vector:
    www.incrediblehulkonline.com/ufoesskinhealth1.jpg
    img9.imageshack.us/img9/5569/ih277.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/102862/1893231-hulk_vector_3_super.jpg
    Hulk was able to stand up Vector’s beams(minus the first one where he gets fried).

    Thor vs Vector:
    img8.imageshack.us/img8/2703/av304.jpg
    Thor had to use all his strength to stand his ground.

    Beyonder says this bout the Hulk:
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/64097/1862100-beyonder_scan_hulk_super.png
    Wasn’t the Beyonder, at the time, one of the most powerful beings in Marvel?

    Hulk vs High Evolutionary’s blast:
    www.incrediblehulkonline.com/highevolendurance.jpg

    Pushes apart matter and anti matter:
    img503.imageshack.us/img503/4686/attractionbz9.jpg
    I remember hearing about Hulk doing this on another occasion.

    Doc Samson says there’s no limit to Hulk’s strength:
    www.incrediblehulkonline.com/nolimitstrength.jpg

    Hulk vs Thor:
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67064/1353156-thorowned_super.jpg
    Is it just me, or does that look like he has MJOLNIR?

  67. o 055 o October 31, 2012 at 7:53 pm -      #67

    @CH1C4N0444

    He is holding Thor’s hand to beat him with Mjolnir.

    There’s an instance of Thor one-hit beating Hulk due to not holding back with Heimdal stating that he almost killed him.

    There’s also the fight between Hulk and Zeus where Zeus beat the living crap out of Hulk without any issues while Thor was able to fight with him in somewhat even terms despite him not being a skyfather.

    Lastly there is Glory a composite being formed by 10,000 gods which is pretty much described as the alien equivalent of “a pissed off Odin with all of the asgardians within him”, Thor (616 continuity as far as I’m aware) was able to defeat him…it at the cost of his own life (he was reborn a minute later), but the fact that Glory was crushing planets with its hands and just plain and simple f*cking sh*t up in space demonstrates Thor’s power.

  68. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 7:53 pm -      #68

    “Hulk vs Thor:
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67064/1353156-thorowned_super.jpg
    Is it just me, or does that look like he has MJOLNIR?”

    He has Thor’s hand in his not just the Hammer. And again Thor holds back, here he’s bloodlusted.

  69. Soldier's Shadow October 31, 2012 at 8:17 pm -      #69

    ” Godzilla solos”

    He can beat Thor? Hulk, yeah, but I’m not very sure with Thor. He’s got a cluster fuck of feats on him.

  70. s'Kwol xah cigam October 31, 2012 at 10:01 pm -      #70

    Thor. Hulk at his angriest is last I checked should be around Thor’s strength but I think Thor has him on speed, flight, and versatility.

  71. Sauroposeidon October 31, 2012 at 10:15 pm -      #71

    Thor, along with a number of other avengers, the Fantastic Four, and a SHIELD Helicarrier all fought Godzilla at the same time and lost miserably, actually. Otherwise I’d of pushed hard for a Thor vs Godzilla match ages ago..

    As for the real match.. I don’t see Hulk winning this. Thor’s won the majority of their engagements to my knowledge. Hulk has no defense against the Mjollnir or the fact that once beneath it, he’s unable to move. Thor’s faster, a better skilled fighter, and strong enough to throw down with him. Although in this enraged state, Thor may be more akin to a mindless berserker. While Hulk does get smarter as he gets to this power level. So the usual intelligence/cunning/ect difference may be more even than usual.

  72. Crimson Sentry October 31, 2012 at 10:22 pm -      #72

    Btw it;s stated that the Hulk is in even more of a rage than World War Hulk, I’m sorry but I think WWH could kick the shit out of Thor, by just stepping, WWH broke a tectonic plate on accident. I don’t think that even blood lusted Thor could effortlessly break a tectonic please.

  73. GuardianAngel1911 October 31, 2012 at 10:33 pm -      #73

    Some people don’t learn.
    ————-
    Here’s Beta Ray Bill, who is equal to Thor (Thor may be stronger) panet busting
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/2007229-thor_brb_feat_i_super.jpg

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/2007232-thor_brb_feat_ii_super.jpg

    —————————
    BRB telling about how he has shattered planets (meaning the above wasn’t the first) with his hammer which, I think isn’t as strong as Thor’s
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/2007234-thor_brb_feat_planet_busting_boast_super.jpg

    —————————
    Note no Blood Lust required.

  74. Soldier's Shadow October 31, 2012 at 10:39 pm -      #74

    I honestly just don’t see Hulk passing Thor’s speed blitz advantage, or BFR. WWH or not.

  75. StealthRanger October 31, 2012 at 10:47 pm -      #75

    Yeah same here. Thor’s just too fast and skilled for Hulk in any sitch (and in this context skill does mean something against an opponent of equal strength)

  76. therealbs November 1, 2012 at 1:03 am -      #76

    can’t pick against world war hulk. only character in marvel that beats him is dark phoenix to my knowledge.

  77. TheSorrow November 1, 2012 at 1:05 am -      #77

    Oh there are many things in Marvel that could take care of World Breaker Hulk. He isn’t the pinnacle of absolute strength. Not by a long shot.

  78. GuardianAngel1911 November 1, 2012 at 1:29 am -      #78

    seriously, I post what is proof Thor should be a casual planet buster and Hulk supporters just ignore it. Hulk can’t just casually planet bust, he fails to win this end of story. Even if Thor can’t kill him he can knock his green ass to Alpha Centauri.

  79. TheSorrow November 1, 2012 at 1:32 am -      #79

    Even if Thor can’t kill him he can knock his green ass to Alpha Centauri.

    Another possible BFR loss for the Hulk? I’m sensing a pattern.

  80. GuardianAngel1911 November 1, 2012 at 1:36 am -      #80

    @Sorrow
    Well, I’m assuming Hulks body wouldn’t just be vaporized by a 5*FTL Planet Busting Lightning enhanced hammer strike to the face.

  81. Amm0vamp1r3 November 1, 2012 at 1:38 am -      #81

    tried getting scans for big green but all the links are broken, ah well.

  82. TheSorrow November 1, 2012 at 1:40 am -      #82

    Well, I’m assuming Hulks body wouldn’t just be vaporized by a 5*FTL Planet Busting Lightning enhanced hammer strike to the face.

    Oh you know the Hulk, that plot shield is more sturdy than adamantium.

  83. s'Kwol xah cigam November 1, 2012 at 3:19 am -      #83

    “Hulk can’t just casually planet bust, he fails to win this end of story.”

    Him and Betty destroyed a planet as a result of them just clashing. That work?
    i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk6.jpg
    i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg

  84. s'Kwol xah cigam November 1, 2012 at 3:23 am -      #84

    Not saying Hulk wins though, just that angry enough Hulk seems to result in a planet’s quick demise…. That said clashing with Thor would probably destroy the planet right? Sooo
    “Would either one succeed before the world is shattered beyond recovery?”
    Nope.

  85. Metacosmic Entity November 1, 2012 at 12:06 pm -      #85

    “Hulk has been equally enraged by the catastrophe that has
    claimed so many lives of those he holds dear (Betty and Skaar are
    amongst the fallen), and is about to unleash a rampage of his own
    against the Viking god. His rage has not been this great since the
    events of World War Hulk”

    This means he’s already insanely mad. Add to that the insolence of this guy with a little mallet that keeps hitting him, and you ultimately have a Asgardian Gut salad ala Hulk.

  86. TheSorrow November 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm -      #86

    Little mallet he say…

  87. Metacosmic Entity November 1, 2012 at 1:43 pm -      #87

    “I saw on Youtube labeled “The Avengers vs the Hulk” The Hulk was
    able to pick up Thor’s hammer using brute strength.
    I thought you had to prove yourself worthy to pick up Thor’s
    hammer. That’s so lame.”

    A mere taste of how relentless the power of The Hulk is….

    Ohk, it seems noone wanted to read or at least talk about comment #59. That’s funny. Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    On the real though, Thor could win by bitch move, but even with Odinforce, dukin’ ‘em up with Hulk at Green Scar levels would be a fucking ballsqueeze. I mean, he wasn’t even that mad when he picked up Mjolnir. The enchantment that should have made it impossible for him to lift was cast by Odin, and by my books, that puts him on “Assripper” status. But I must admit, the very concept of Mjolnir is daunting, never mind coupling it with beyond-peak Asgardian strength. I am a Hulkster all the way, but there is a good chance he loses, but regardless of the outcome, we are assured of a fucked up remnant of a planet and at least one dimension rip.

  88. Soulerous November 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm -      #88

    Ohk, it seems noone wanted to read or at least talk about comment #59. That’s funny.
    -Giants walls of text with no source material offer very little in the way of desirability.
    ~
    Little mallet he say…
    -Lawlz. It’s the second most-awesome hammer I know of off the top of my head.

  89. Sauroposeidon November 1, 2012 at 1:59 pm -      #89

    There is no canon instance of Hulk picking up Mjollnir to my knowledge.

  90. Soulerous November 1, 2012 at 2:07 pm -      #90

    I’d be surprised if there was.

  91. Doc Samson November 1, 2012 at 2:10 pm -      #91

    Here are some scans from a Hulk Respect Thread:
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36678/1614508-1411670_incrediblehulk611008_super_super.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47254/1656701-1499393_skaar3_super_super.jpg
    -Hulk easily took the 100 trillion ton attack from Skaar and Proceeds to beat him
    i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab183/hulknas/planetsplit-1.jpg
    -Holds 2 tetonic plates together.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36536/1623684-hulk_vs_glad_3_super.jpg
    -Owned Gladiator after “cheating”
    www.bamkapow.com/bk_images/2008/06/05/hulk-amazing-feats/Big-Assteroid-Marvel-Comics-Presents-52.jpg
    -hulk destroys an astroid twice the size of Earth.
    i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/4thsmartestDarkReign-TheList-Hulk011.jpg
    -Banners the 4th smartest person in the world.
    i47.tinypic.com/1zc49i.png
    -NB:Banner is able to absorb Energy (Both
    cosmic/Gamma) in his Human Form is a feat by himself………….
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/54136/1767331-hercules___avengers_vs_hulk___byrne_color_super.jpg
    -In “Incredible Hulk” #316, Feb. 1985 the Hulk battled these four Avengers simutaneously.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/97968/1769942-hulk___broken_worlds__2_026_super.jpg
    -In Marvel 1602 Hulk defeats Fing Fang Foom and becomes the Chinese Emperor:
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/83583/1776949-orbitleaping_super.jpg
    -Leaps very very high.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/75222/1771304-wwh033_super.jpg
    -A footstep of Hulk’s shook the entire eastern seaboard. If he taken 2 more steps, the east coast would’ve went down.

  92. o 055 o November 1, 2012 at 2:25 pm -      #92

    I’m just going to leave this right here…

    i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv100/odinson1973/WhatIf45.jpg

  93. Doc Samson November 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm -      #93

    What ifs arn’t canon.

  94. o 055 o November 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm -      #94

    They are still neat :]

    Also, Thor already killed the Hulk and the Thing at the same time before, although that was King Thor (not Rune King Thor because well, he was just king of Asgard, Rune Thor is the one that became one with the Universe) and he did it without the Odin Force :D

  95. Amm0vamp1r3 November 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm -      #95

    I think thor takes it , one time he almost killed him with a swing from the mallet,now its his job to kill him.

  96. Doc Samson November 1, 2012 at 2:45 pm -      #96

    But can he take on the World Breaker (Herald Of Galactus Hulk):
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/122645/2366112-world-breaker-l.jpg
    or Blue Hulk (Cosmic Powered Hulk):
    images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/7/72/Captain_Universe_(Hulk).jpg

  97. Aelfinn November 1, 2012 at 3:39 pm -      #97

    Well, I just saw a scan of Hulk planet-busting, so I’ll take them at nigh-equal strength. The sheer speed of Thor, along with the Hax of Mjolnir, is still probably too much.

  98. PeteSkizzle November 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm -      #98

    “Ohk, it seems noone wanted to read or at least talk about comment #59. That’s funny.”
    -Giants walls of text with no source material offer very little in the way of desirability.
    –Actually, they do have sources- such as Thor # 106. Comic episodes.

  99. GuardianAngel1911 November 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm -      #99

    ” Him and Betty destroyed a planet as a result of them just clashing. That work?
    i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk6.jpg
    i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk7.jpg ”
    Is that really something that should count? I mean it’s him and Betty clashing that did it isn’t it?

    and pretty sure we aren’t using herald of galactus or cosmic hulk.

  100. PeteSkizzle November 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm -      #100

    Anyways, hey all, I’m new to this site so anyways… yeah. Also, can you guys head over to the Master Chief vs StarCraft Ghost to finalize that debate? I brought up some pointers on that.Thanks.

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