Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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  1. Mr. happy December 25, 2013 at 7:52 am -      #6401

    ‘The flood can physically hack into the geth… I don’t think informed people argue that flood wouldn’t be a threat.’

    Nah they just need to be nearby. Reapers aren’t safe either.

  2. erickyboo December 26, 2013 at 3:56 am -      #6402

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV8eMFqBpQ4

    Spartan assault cutscenes. The flood one is a bit scary.

    Talking about without the showing sickness.

    Well it seems like war games is more advanced although thing would be to make it more mainstream.

  3. Eggroll4life December 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm -      #6403

    Idk if any1 stated the forerunners but, i believe they would destroy Mass Effect. All they need is the halo rings. And if they cant the precursors can. Unless you guys dont count the past. then the promethean (still apart of the forerunners) could surely defeat them as in the halo 5 trailer, we see the huge forerunner machine which looks like it could cause destruction (but still, no info on that)

  4. Eggroll4life December 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm -      #6404

    But from what i can tell, no organics from the Mass Effect side woud live.

  5. Eggroll4life December 29, 2013 at 8:48 pm -      #6405

    Nevermind about the halo ring as i just research that it only remove sentient life and it back fires.

  6. Eggroll4life December 29, 2013 at 8:49 pm -      #6406

    Reaper Ships

    CAPITAL SHIPS are Sovereign-class Reapers two kilometers in length. They typically target the dreadnoughts, defense installations, and industrial cities of organic civilizations. Experts believe the Reapers harvest a single species of organics during each cycle of extinction to create these massive ships. Some capital ships are capable of launching small drones equivalent to fighters.
    DESTROYERS are 160 meters and, in astounding numbers, make up the bulk of the Reaper fleet. They engage cruisers and other, smaller ships, as well as communications posts and enemy command centers. Research suggests destroyers are created from those species that are not harvested to make capital ships.
    TROOP TRANSPORTS carry husks to unconquered planets and bring victims of the harvest to Reaper processing centers. They vary in length from 200 meters to one kilometer, but, unlike capital ships and destroyers, do not appear to be self-aware. Instead, other Reapers operate troop transports remotely.
    PROCESSORS, also called “slaughter ships,” are mobile centers for mass DNA harvesting. Like troop transports, processors appear to be remotely operated by sapient Reapers.

  7. Eggroll4life December 29, 2013 at 8:50 pm -      #6407

    Promethean Ship

    The Unnamed Forerunner Starship was a combat vessel commonly used during the Forerunner-Flood War.

    Keyships such as the Forerunner Dreadnought were used to open gateways to the Ark and to transport lifeforms away from the Array’s effect, as well as back to their homeworlds. They also possessed powerful shielding and weaponry.

    Fortress-class vessels such as the “Deep Reverance” were the single largest ships of war the Forerunner had at their disposal. They measured 50 km in length, had a huge hemisphere at the front, a series of layered platforms equipped with launch bays and gun mounts in the mid level and a long weapon studded tail. At their widest they measured 10 km and could carry hundreds of thousands of the “Warrior Cast” of Forerunner into battle.

    The Forerunners were also known to have smaller fighter-class ships. Several of the Fortress-class vessels were forced to deploy large squadrons of these fighters in order to repel Sentinels sent by 032 Mendicant Bias to protect the Halo’s during the siege of the Forerunner Capital.

    Council members of the Forerunners had their own specific class of vessel. The “Seedling Star” was one specific ship used by the council, it was said to eclipse all but the weapons of any ship allocated to the Warrior-Servants in every way. At the cutting edge of Forerunner science, these ships were incredibly fast, able to complete long distance slipspace jumps in just 2 hours.

  8. erickyboo December 29, 2013 at 9:53 pm -      #6408

    Eggroll. Don’t post yet, you seem to be new. Read up how people post its not composite either. Then when you get the hang of it, start slowly posting. Ask questions. Forerunners wouldn’t be at their full prime.

    Next month should give us more information on the halo universe.

  9. Zazax December 29, 2013 at 10:48 pm -      #6409

    Holy quintuple post, Batman.

  10. Eggroll4life December 29, 2013 at 11:42 pm -      #6410

    Guess i’ma start reading this year long post.

  11. IamTaco January 1, 2014 at 8:18 am -      #6411

    Let’s see. I suppose I could compose a list of all the upgrades the UNSC got post halo 3.

    They have 5 confirmed new classes of upgraded ships with shields, faster slipspace drives and other forerunner tech. They also are confirmed to have the pillar of autumn’s upgrades in grated to the entire fleet. Triple shot MAC FTW.

    This tells us of the UNSC new industrial power, being able to R&D 5 more designs of ships and produce a number of them just after their near complete destruction just 4 years before. The ending of the forward unto dawn live action short shows a couple dozens of this new upgraded frigates and cruisers along side with the infinity.

    The new frigate is able to go toe to toe with a covenant captial ship instead of the 3:1 odds it took before and it’s weapons are capable of ‘easily downing a covenant battleship’s shields’ which I assume means that it’s MAC can one shot covenant shields now, instead of the 2/3 shot it took before. The MAC is also confirmed to be upgraded. It also has a upgraded slipspace drive and shields.

    The Autumn class cruiser, based off the pillar of Autumn which means it’s probably really tough and can take a beating. It’s also has shields, a faster slipspace drive and a stronger MAC than the new frigate.

    And then they have the engineers. They can reproduce/make a new version of themselves within minutes with all their knowledge. That means that they reproduce insanely fast. In fact the UNSC has plans to have at least one on every ship by the events of halo 4. They can reproduce forerunner tech, slipspace drive small enough to fit on a pelican and mobile time dilation bubbles capable of compressing months into days.

    Those time dilation bubbles are apparently so common that the UNSC are loaning them out to the elites for the purpose of growing food. That means that they are using them for industrial use too, that could explain how the UNSC is rebuilding so fast. From the brink of extinction to the dominant power in the entire galaxy having rebuild alot of their destroyed instructure and rebuild their fleet from scratch.

    They also have onyx, a Dyson sphere with surface area of 550 million earths capable of time dilation and portal creation. Also packed to the brim with forerunner tech. Has a trillion strong onyx sentail force protecting it. Can be tucked away into slipspace to prevent any outside force from affecting it.

    The UNSC also has the new howler missile. They are in the process of replacing the older archer missile and are much stronger. A hundred howler missiles could destroy a covenant destroyer shields and all when thousands of archer missile couldn’t do shit to covenant ships. This gives them kiloton firepower and that means that they are likely nuclear in nature.

    UNSC FTL is extremely fast now, ranging from crossing thousands of light years in a couple of minutes to crossing tens of thousands of light years in a couple of minutes. They can also accurately slipspace jump now, with a frigate managing to jump inside of the infinity and can use in tactically in battle as seen from the first episode of spartan ops.

    Other technologies include EMP capable of shutting down covenant ships, cloaking systems capable of masking thermal and all EM emissions. They also have FTL commutations now. That and shields means shielded orbital platforms.

  12. OberHeresy February 2, 2014 at 2:38 pm -      #6412

    So…can we just give Halo the FP award already?

  13. erickyboo February 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm -      #6413

    I don’t think my Spartan can take down every single being from mass effect by himself if that’s what you’re saying, However, it’d be nice to see him against stuff hehe.

    I think it’d be fun to go at it again when there is more stuff. Current halo has a Spartan-IV who betrays his squad mates and the Arbiter and Brute get interrupted in peace talks by Jul’s Covenant. Spartans train to fight the flood as well. Towards the end of the Month we should get the next thing about halo.

    Some things that I am taco say are not accurate.

  14. OberHeresy February 2, 2014 at 6:48 pm -      #6414

    What I’m saying is Halo isn’t gonna get any less powerful.

  15. Avaricious Lowk February 2, 2014 at 7:35 pm -      #6415

    “What I’m saying is Halo isn’t gonna get any less powerful.”

    To add to that, ME probably won’t be getting any new shit till next year.

  16. Icesqual February 3, 2014 at 5:45 am -      #6416

    Halo already won this in the beginning, the MAC guns of Halo deliver a hell of a lot more firepower than the Mass Accelerator Cannons of ME.

    The widely agreed yield for a Standard Mark II MAC is 64 kilotons, which is around enough to compete with Destiny Ascension shot-by-shot as it’s yield is 60+ kilotons, though I will not argue that DA’s rate of fire is much higher and the shields would probably survive a shot or two, keep in mind that the Standard MAC is the one that is fitted in FRIGATES, the smallest, fastest and overall most fragile ship in the UNSC Navy.

  17. IamTaco February 5, 2014 at 9:04 am -      #6417

    So what I pericated was true. Halo is never ever going to win it’s award. Even though this debate really deserved one, being the most commented thread ever on BankGambling and being one of the more balanced debates even after 7 games from both franchises.

    Is there anybody still waiting for new material before trying to conclude/vote on this thread? At the rate this two franchises at going, it could be in the 2020s before any new material finally dries up.

  18. admin February 5, 2014 at 10:02 am -      #6418

    “At the rate this two franchises at going, it could be in the 2020s before any new material finally dries up.” – SHH! that’s the secret of this site! as long as a franchise still exists, the debates could go on and on and on and on…

    :-P

  19. OberHeresy February 5, 2014 at 1:23 pm -      #6419

    Well, we could keep the debate going…..just after Halo gets its FP award.

  20. Avaricious Lowk February 5, 2014 at 1:43 pm -      #6420

    What is there left to debate?

  21. erickyboo February 5, 2014 at 4:29 pm -      #6421

    Ah… yes Admin, yes. I don’t want the debate to end right now. I want things to keep going. And there will be new Halo stuff. Did you know it was my plan to get halo vs mass effect to be in first place? And it happened!

    Corvettes are more fragile than frigates but ONI’s tend to pack a punch with Stealth and nukes. The Sahara-Class Heavy Prowler for instance is 281m long, 155m beam and 62m high. They pack XEV9-Matos Nonlinear Pulse Cannons, M947 Shiva Nuclear Delivery System and M441 Hornet Remote Explosive System. They have hull camouflage technology. Basically lasers and nukes/mines.

    So frigates aren’t the strongest, but corvettes can pack a punch, just not in the same way. If the Normandy was replaced by a ship in halo then it would probably be a corvette prowler.

  22. mack006 February 5, 2014 at 5:47 pm -      #6422

    Lets just say Composite Halo vs Composite Mass Effect and get this over with. Seriously, this is like Yin and Yang, nobody would ever win.

  23. Avaricious Lowk February 5, 2014 at 7:14 pm -      #6423

    “nobody would ever win.”

    Halo was already winning iirc…

  24. OberHeresy February 5, 2014 at 9:21 pm -      #6424

    Composite Halo would stomp, and that would be no fun. Halo wins this, but if we make it composite that’s just a dumb pointless stomp.

  25. erickyboo February 5, 2014 at 9:33 pm -      #6425

    And it wouldn’t be as fun! After all, isn’t this about fun?

  26. greateagle124 February 8, 2014 at 11:49 pm -      #6426

    Ok so nearly all weaponry from mass effect has only kiloton power. Halo’s covenant reaches megaton. So the covenant would blast through all of mass effect ships. The range also matters. Halos weaponry can shoot much farther then mass effect. And then there’s the amount of weapons. The Normandy sr2 has what, 3. 4 guns. A unsc frigate has around forty auto cannons, 300 missiles, and a MAC. Also I know many people say size doesn’t matter, but it kinda does. The largest reaper is larger then all mass effect ships. It’s 2,000 meters long. HELLO!! THe covenant super carrier is 21 kilometers. That’s like twenty harbinger reapers lined up to match that and their weaponry still wouldn’t do much to the covenant ships.

  27. Avaricious Lowk February 9, 2014 at 6:05 am -      #6427

    “Halos weaponry can shoot much farther then mass effect.”

    Actually Iirc range was one of the things ME had on Halo. Save for the energy projectors.

  28. greateagle124 February 9, 2014 at 7:16 am -      #6428

    Oh. We’ll still. And then stealth systems When the Normandys stealth system engaged in mass effect 3. It was still visible. Just not to radar. Stealth systems in halo actually turn the ship invisible

  29. greateagle124 February 9, 2014 at 7:35 am -      #6429

    Oh and if you haven’t got it by now I’m going with halo

  30. OberHeresy February 9, 2014 at 8:34 am -      #6430

    Mass Effect had some advantages in the Space Combat, but most of them end up falling to Halo. The problem for ME in the end was Halo gets a lot of Forerunner tech, plus they have better industrial capacity and numbers.

  31. greateagle124 February 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm -      #6431

    And think about fleet sizes, halo outnumbers them by far

  32. IamTaco February 10, 2014 at 12:55 am -      #6432

    Actually for ME, numbers are one of the few things they have the advantage in. I estimated that the reapers have numbers ranging in the couple thousand range. For the other Me races, well… After the final battle in ME3, most of their fleets were destroyed completely… So they won’t be a factor here.

    As for range, Me has a much greater projectile speed thus giving them much greater range then the UNSC. However, for the covenant, their laser, plasma and particle weapons all exceed ME’s range. And I see no reason why they can’t tech share this weapons to the UNSC ships. Plus in system slipspace jumps to close the distance and I would say that the range issue is roughly equal between the two.

    So, the only advantage that ME really has is their numbers. everything else, halo has the advantage in from firepower, industry to FTL speeds.

  33. mack006 February 10, 2014 at 3:42 am -      #6433

    “So, the only advantage that ME really has is their numbers. everything else, halo has the advantage in from firepower, industry to FTL speeds.”

    That topic is the main thing we are discussing right now, numbers. Halo beats them in almost everything except population. But isn’t this not a problem anymore as ME are still repairing themsleves after the war.

    Oh and one more thing:
    HALO FOR THE FP AWARD PLZ

  34. IamTaco February 27, 2014 at 11:28 am -      #6434

    One thing I do have to say is that indoctrination is actually really crappy. I realized that a lot of people think that indoctrination would be some kind of awesome weapon that could play a large role in ME’s war efforts.

    But after some thought and a large helping of common sense, I now realize that the UNSC has fought off similar threats to indoctrination but much larger in scale and effectiveness. So they would probably laugh at indoctrination just like somewhat of 95% of other sci-fi would.

    Indoctrination just flat out sucks, and the reason why it’s so effective in ME is just the reapers stacking the deck in their favor again just like everything else the reapers do.

  35. Avaricious Lowk February 27, 2014 at 6:28 pm -      #6435

    I thought UNSC had problems with the whole fighting your friends thing? Seemed to really fuck over some soldiers mentally.

  36. IamTaco February 27, 2014 at 7:24 pm -      #6436

    ‘I thought UNSC had problems with the whole fighting your friends thing? Seemed to really fuck over some soldiers mentally.’

    And? They aren’t fighting a full scale war here. They are at most going to be running counter terrorism ops against a bunch of mentally degrading farmers that have no access to resources, training or support whatsoever and are no threat at all. And the guys in charge of this operations? ONI spooks, who have no moral standards at all.

  37. Avaricious Lowk February 27, 2014 at 8:37 pm -      #6437

    deranged farmer, seemingly normal farmers, deranged citizens, seemingly normal citizens, there own soldiers, mutated versions of their own people, flash mutated.
    There are like 5 to 6 methods. 3 of which are pretty quick and the long term can fuck with people even without fully turning them.

  38. IamTaco February 28, 2014 at 2:28 am -      #6438

    ‘deranged farmer, seemingly normal farmers, deranged citizens, seemingly normal citizens, there own soldiers, mutated versions of their own people, flash mutated.
    There are like 5 to 6 methods. 3 of which are pretty quick and the long term can fuck with people even without fully turning them.’

    Yawn… The UNSC has dealt with greater and similar threats to those and has come out fine so far. You’re not getting it right? Indoctrination is kinda useless in this scenario, they are never going to do any real damage with indoctrination. At best it’s a minor irritant to the UNSC, right until they figure it out and it all goes downhill from then.

  39. Avaricious Lowk February 28, 2014 at 2:40 am -      #6439

    “You’re not getting it right?”

    I got that it’s not an end all be all weapon like you seem to think a lot of people do.
    ===
    “Indoctrination is kinda useless in this scenario, they are never going to do any real damage with indoctrination.”

    It just a weapon. Not even a super weapon. Not really war ending or anything. But it still has it’s uses. For example defending important stuff they don’t want falling into enemy hands with some of the flash indoctrination items, you stop them from getting to it and get a soldier in the process.
    ===
    “At best it’s a minor irritant to the UNSC, right until they figure it out and it all goes downhill from then.”

    Figure it out how, then do what?
    ===
    You having fun beating a dead horse?

  40. Namer February 28, 2014 at 4:16 am -      #6440

    You having fun beating a dead horse?
    .
    He’s probably just pissed about the Flood vs WoT thread.

  41. IamTaco February 28, 2014 at 4:47 am -      #6441

    ‘Figure it out how, then do what?’

    Find a way to detect the Indoctrination devices, form a new type of spec ops/counter terrorism unit to deal with Indoctrination… The list goes on and on.

    ‘It just a weapon. Not even a super weapon. Not really war ending or anything. But it still has it’s uses’

    ‘You having fun beating a dead horse?
    .
    He’s probably just pissed about the Flood vs WoT thread.’

    Really guys? Resorting to insults? Huh, I was just saying that indoctrination is practically going to be a non-factor here for a number of reasons. I’m just saying this to the number of people who seem to think that indoctrination is going to be a key tool against the UNSC to out right wankery like saying that indoctrination could convert the gravemind. Looking at you Namer.

    And yeah, it’s fun seeing how much you would have to beat a horse to include atomic fusion in it.

  42. Avaricious Lowk February 28, 2014 at 6:32 am -      #6442

    “Find a way to detect the Indoctrination devices, form a new type of spec ops/counter terrorism unit to deal with Indoctrination… The list goes on and on.”

    Thats, a bit vague. Care to elaborate more? Did Halo get some kind of anti-mind control advancement or something?
    ===
    “Really guys? Resorting to insults?”

    Wasn’t really an insult…
    I’ve done my share of necros but normally because something new came up. You just kind of appeared out of nowhere, kicked the corpse, and called part of it a failure.

  43. IamTaco February 28, 2014 at 10:37 am -      #6443

    ‘Thats, a bit vague. Care to elaborate more? Did Halo get some kind of anti-mind control advancement or something?’

    Indoctrination isn’t space magic. This works via a combination of EM radiation and sound waves. Which means that it should be quite easily to detect. The UNSC should be able to build devices to detect it. Just look for the device that’s emitting this complex array of EM radiation and sound waves, then blow it up. It’s not like the reapers have a way to sneak indoctrination artifacts and devices into UNSC and covenant space anyway.

    And with indoctrination being a combination of EM radiation and sound waves, it should be quite easy to block too. A farday cage and a sealed vaccum suit should do the trick. Or they can use the robotic drone body like the one used by BB in the kilo-5 trilogy. Allowing them to clean up the artifacts without being in too much danger of being indoctrinated themselves.

  44. Avaricious Lowk February 28, 2014 at 11:32 am -      #6444

    What about the Leviathan’s, Adjutant’s, and misc methods they would run into?

  45. Avaricious Lowk February 28, 2014 at 11:52 am -      #6445

    Even with 5min of editing time I fail to get back in time. :(

    Forgot to ask
    “using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods.”

    What other subliminal methods would allow someone to reprogam the brain from a distance.
    ===
    “It’s not like the reapers have a way to sneak indoctrination artifacts and devices into UNSC and covenant space anyway.”

    Wouldn’t they be more useful as traps.
    Also would small stealth shuttle work?
    What about those fake meteorites or whatever they send down their troops on?
    Cloaked telekinetic super ninja spies?
    Indoctrination device firing mass accelerators… okay that one isn’t a real thing. Just a missed opportunity.

  46. IamTaco February 28, 2014 at 12:20 pm -      #6446

    ‘What other subliminal methods would allow someone to reprogam the brain from a distance.’

    No idea.

    ‘Wouldn’t they be more useful as traps.’

    For one, the effects of indoctrination can be felt while the victim in process of being Indoctrinated. Like I said, once they find out about indoctrination they have ways to counter it. Walk into a enemy facility and suddenly start to hear voices/whispering in your head? Then their sensors detect sound waves and EM radiation similar to the ones used by the alien indoctrination devices? Anyone sane would just take a quick 1 min run out of the device’s range and blow it the hell up.

    You act like elite spec ops groups infiltrating ME facilities would stand there like idiots and let themselves be indoctrinated. Like i said, once they know about indoctrination the UNSC has plenty of options. And this match is like a 95% space war anyway.

    ‘Also would small stealth shuttle work?’

    No way to make it into visual range without being detected.

    ‘What about those fake meteorites or whatever they send down their troops on?’

    I highly doubt that this would work.

    As for the Leviathans, I conclude that they would probably be a lot more effective then the reaper’s seeing as they don’t degrade and the can be controlled directly from afar. But still, they suffer from the same problem as indoctrination, mainly how the hell do we get any meaningful number of them onto the enemy’s planet? They would probably work best as spies.

    And yes, Adjutants. You mean that creature that appeared that one time that was actually used by Cerberus and join the ranks of the numerous technologies that the reapers only use once and only once. I don’t really see Adjutant being much of a problem really. Can be killed with guns, if it really bad then they can always just nuke the site from orbit.

  47. Avaricious Lowk February 28, 2014 at 12:40 pm -      #6447

    “For one, the effects of indoctrination can be felt while the victim in process of being Indoctrinated. Like I said, once they find out about indoctrination they have ways to counter it. Walk into a enemy facility and suddenly start to hear voices/whispering in your head?”

    But thats not the only means they have as a trap. They’ve made stuff that looks like big decorations that do flash indoctrinate.
    Though that kind of eliminates them from the cover agents since you either turn into a hulk or have Illusive Man’s glow eyes.

    And once you start hearing whispering isn’t that when it’s already to late? Pretty sure that only happens when it’s to late. Hold on

    EDIT
    Yep most of the tell tale signs only occur after spending time in indoctrination zones. It doesn’t just happen suddenly. At which point they’d already be in your head.

  48. IamTaco March 1, 2014 at 1:52 am -      #6448

    If I remember correctly, don’t the flash indoctrination also take a time frame in the minutes?

    And if I remember correctly too, most of the signs of indoctrination will be there in the moment it starts doing it’s thing. It’s start extremely subtle in the first stage and thus most people not expecting it don’t notice it.

    Doesn’t matter either way, like I said, most of their advantage will come in the form of a smart A.I in their suits that will warn them as soon as they detect any signs of indoctrination.

  49. Namer March 1, 2014 at 2:51 am -      #6449

    Doesn’t matter either way, like I said, most of their advantage will come in the form of a smart A.I in their suits that will warn them as soon as they detect any signs of indoctrination.
    .
    Wait, what? Now every grunt wears some kind of suit with a neural layer containing a smart AI?

  50. IamTaco March 1, 2014 at 2:54 am -      #6450

    ‘Wait, what? Now every grunt wears some kind of suit with a neural layer containing a smart AI?’

    I have no words…

  51. Namer March 1, 2014 at 6:37 am -      #6451

    I have no words…

    It’s okay, not everyone can have words all the time.

  52. Avaricious Lowk March 2, 2014 at 8:53 am -      #6452

    “If I remember correctly, don’t the flash indoctrination also take a time frame in the minutes?”

    No Ben and Jack got hit for a few seconds. Jack ended up with the eye and became a long term pawn(illusive man), Ben got mutated.
    ===
    “Doesn’t matter either way, like I said, most of their advantage will come in the form of a smart A.I in their suits that will warn them as soon as they detect any signs of indoctrination.”

    But wouldn’t that kind of be detrimental not only to number(since they’d have to eliminate those detected) but also to moral? I mean If they figure out the symptoms, anybody experiencing headaches or feeling like there being watched might fall under suspicion. I mean not to the egg heads and AI’s but to the normals. Like Citizens and regular soldiers.
    It’s not a superweapons but it is still a useful weapon. It either gets you to get rid of people, gives them people, or makes you fear your comrades.

  53. erickyboo March 2, 2014 at 10:12 am -      #6453

    Don’t mind taco too much. Indoctrination devices wouldn’t yield zero results at first but they do have huragoks…..

  54. IamTaco March 2, 2014 at 11:48 am -      #6454

    ‘No Ben and Jack got hit for a few seconds. Jack ended up with the eye and became a long term pawn(illusive man), Ben got mutated.’

    Hmm, source?

    ‘It’s not a superweapons but it is still a useful weapon. It either gets you to get rid of people, gives them people, or makes you fear your comrades.’

    The UNSC has gone through a period of near civil war where entire colonies full of millions of people were turned against the UNSC via propaganda alone. Where high ranking officers were rebelling and stealing civilian and military ships. They has access to entire colonies of millions of people, nukes, FTL starships, spies and bases. And to end the rebellion, they were considering mass nuking entire colonies. And yet the UNSC managed to end the rebellion and root out all the traitors within themselves.

    You aren’t grasping the difference in scale here. In a interstellar polity with billions of people, where most of the war is going to be decided though spacebattles, little things like morale and ground troops won’t really matter.

    Let’s say a indoctrination device somehow manages get onto a UNSC planet. And let’s say it manages to indoctrinate a single person every minute. And that it doesn’t get detected or found out. It would indoctrinate 3600 people a day. It’s a extremely high inflated number, that doesn’t even come close to the 1.2 million people killed by the innies(in a singular attack no less), or the billions killed by all the covenant over the years. Or in current times when a covenant asylum seeker almost managed detonate a 30 megaton nuke or the other covenant terrorism with access to hundreds of starships. The list goes on and on. They didn’t do much damage to the UNSC. I fail to see how indoctrination would prove to be much a factor really. It’s still a weapon that would do damage but I fail to see any other reaction or then ‘well, it’s something’
    -

  55. erickyboo March 2, 2014 at 1:05 pm -      #6455

    The insurrectionists aren’t over… the rebellion isn’t over so its factually untrue.

  56. Virgil March 2, 2014 at 3:15 pm -      #6456

    @Erickyboo

    You are correct but once the Covenant Loyalists are dealt with, ONI will have a considerable advantage against the Innies if they rise again. With what we know of ONI, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were sending spies in as the war went on, infiltrating planets that are known supporters of the Insurrection. Since most if not all UNSC worlds submitted due to the Covenant threat, posing as “refugees” and then building up their entire life on a world. Eliminating future Insurrectionist infrastructure and gaining friends/trust to gain information and work against the Innies would be considerably easier in such a time (Humans forced together in conflict usually stick together).

    I would say that unless they make ONI to be idiots and they completely missed such opportunities, the Insurrection shall be dealt with. It may take some time and I am guessing that 343 Industries will play it up but UNSC/ONI victory is basically ensured at this point…

    The ensuing period where people start realizing that the Covenant is basically dealt with is probably going to be very interesting. I’m looking forward to the re-instating of a civilian government, forcing the UNSC back to a strictly military arm, and the reduction of ONI’s powers will lead to some good human versus human conflict.

  57. Avaricious Lowk March 2, 2014 at 4:27 pm -      #6457

    “Hmm, source?”

    i48.tinypic.com/2ushl3k.jpg
    Shortly after Jack was pulled out away from it and onto a ship.
    Also I think I was wrong about the mutating thing being fast. Seems that maybe be due to lengthened exposure. When they were putting people through it they didn’t change instantly but instead were sort of normal like the illusive man stayed.
    ===
    “The UNSC has gone through a period of near civil war where entire colonies full of millions of people were turned against the UNSC via propaganda alone.”

    It’s kind of two different levels on the ‘paranoia fuel’ scale.
    One is cuz of reasons. The other is because of mind control. It’s not about if they actually are it’s the possibility that they could be and you not knowing. and the fact that some of the symptoms are normal thing humans feel from time to time don’t help.
    Then there is how it would effect somone personal questioning whether or not they are.
    ===
    “You aren’t grasping the difference in scale here. In a interstellar polity with billions of people, where most of the war is going to be decided though spacebattles, little things like morale and ground troops won’t really matter.”

    Why would it the paranoia or suspicion be limited to ground troops?
    Also you seem to be under the impression that I think this changes any sort of tide in the battle. I don’t, I’m merely stating that the ability itself and the effect of possessing said ability would have more of an effect then a “‘well, it’s something”. It’s at least a “dammit, not this; FUCK”. Like a stabbing yourself by mistake kind of thing.
    ===
    “I fail to see how indoctrination would prove to be much a factor really.”

    Really, people who are found out to be indoctrinated have to be deaded. People believed to be I imagine wouldn’t have an easy time either. Someone who somehow aren’t found out are basically meat cameras. Then there the people who believe they are but don’t want to let on they are even if they aren’t. It’s one of those thing that could be disruptive or damaging to the point that it puts people on edge thinking about it.

  58. erickyboo March 2, 2014 at 8:20 pm -      #6458

    Halo initiation, halo kilo five trilogy and halo initiation all deal with humans on humans. A lot of colonies went dark. There’s a world called Venezia where insurrectionists, kig-yar, jiralhanae, unggoy live together. Lasky will hire a journalist to try and root out a spy in the UNSC.

  59. IamTaco March 3, 2014 at 4:39 am -      #6459

    ‘Don’t mind taco too much. Indoctrination devices wouldn’t yield zero results at first but they do have huragoks…..’

    Huragoks are some of the most highly prized and guarded assets halo has. They are either kept in heavily guarded ground facilities or on board starships. I highly doubt the chances of even a single huragok getting indoctrinated.

    ‘The insurrectionists aren’t over… the rebellion isn’t over so its factually untrue’

    It isn’t over yet because a little thing called the covenant war occurred. Where the UNSC had to divert all their resources to fighting the covenant instead of the innies. Before that little event, they went from ‘oh shit. We are on the verge of a civil war that could tear the UNSC apart’ to ‘Nah, we got them.’.

  60. erickyboo March 3, 2014 at 10:30 am -      #6460

    Tear the UEG/CAA’s control of the colonies. ONI got Halsey to do questionable stuff and to kidnap children to turn them into child super soldiers, breaking morals and laws in the process as well as the United Nations Mortal Dictata.

    Huragoks to examine indoctrination devices and make stuff to detect/avoid the indoctrination.

  61. erickyboo April 13, 2014 at 6:02 pm -      #6461

    7 million people got composed in new phoenix. So at max some 7 million promethean knights?

  62. Icesqual April 19, 2014 at 8:54 am -      #6462

    Halo stomps horribly in speeds, numbers and production facilities.
    The Covenant alone can travel 900+ Lightyears a day compared to ME’s 15+ light years for Citadel races and 30 for Reapers.

    The UNSC alone had over 800 (IIRC) planets under their control, all the planets of the entire Citadel council races top out at 200.

    Not to mention that a Frigate-weight MAC cannon yields 64 kilotons, twice that of Dreadnoughts.

    Mass Effect bends over horribly.

  63. Namer April 19, 2014 at 1:23 pm -      #6463

    Halo stomps horribly in speeds, numbers and production facilities.
    The Covenant alone can travel 900+ Lightyears a day compared to ME’s 15+ light years for Citadel races and 30 for Reapers.
    The UNSC alone had over 800 (IIRC) planets under their control, all the planets of the entire Citadel council races top out at 200.
    Not to mention that a Frigate-weight MAC cannon yields 64 kilotons, twice that of Dreadnoughts.
    Mass Effect bends over horribly.

    Mass Relays go to Thousands+ in an instant.
    Number of planets don’t really matter, but for the record the UNSC doesn’t have 800 at the moment.
    You forgot the 38kt Dreadnought is several decades old, outdated and no longer in production. Modern dreadnoughts can do 60 kilotons per shot… and they fire at 2.5 times the speed. ME Cruisers can fire at maybe 15-20kt. Plus, now there are Thanix cannons providing everything with a significant firepower boost.
    .
    Mass Effect doesn’t bend horribly. You didn’t bother reading anything, did you?

  64. IamTaco April 19, 2014 at 1:44 pm -      #6464

    Nice to see you talk out of your ass again namer.

    Firstly, thousands? Did you see the same shitty ending as me? There are maybe a hundred mass relays tops. Hardly thousands.

    Outdated and no longer in production? HAHAHAHAHA. Any source for that? That model of dreadnought is old yes and out dated but hardly obsolete. 60 kilotons? Source? Anything? 2.5 times the speed? How do you come up with this shit?

    Cruiser hardly go up to 20kt. Most sane calcs put them at 10-15kt and there are a few that put them in the sub-kiloton or single kiloton range.

    ‘You didn’t bother reading anything, did you?’

    And you didn’t bother actually telling the truth did you?

  65. Namer April 19, 2014 at 1:51 pm -      #6465

    He’s talking about speeds, I’m talking about speeds. LY’s travelled.

    I see you’ve forgotten everything we’ve ever debated. 5 secs for those MACs, 2 secs for the Dreads. 5/2=2.5. The Alliance makes Killimanjaros now, not Everests.

    20kts with Thanix. Which is, I admit, overstating.

    Nice to see you again, Taco. And no, I’m not making another post in here in reply to you.

  66. deathmetal3k April 19, 2014 at 1:56 pm -      #6466

    @iamtaco no need to be rude man.

    @everyoneelse it’s already been debated enough and Halo wins. Can this thread stop already? I mean it was fun but it’s already been decided. Where the FP for halo anyway?

  67. Tenno Lowk April 19, 2014 at 2:25 pm -      #6467

    “Outdated and no longer in production? HAHAHAHAHA. Any source for that?”

    The ME1 codex shows that there are more Kilimanjaro class and another is still under construction none for Everest. Then in ME two there being two additional Kilimanjaro classes. Everest however have npt shown anything hinting at them producing more.

    Though I don’t think they count under obsolete since they still use those three. At least for humans.
    ===
    “Can this thread stop already? I mean it was fun but it’s already been decided. Where the FP for halo anyway?”

    I second what that guys said.

  68. batman3.14 April 28, 2014 at 11:22 am -      #6468

    ““Can this thread stop already? I mean it was fun but it’s already been decided. Where the FP for halo anyway?”

    I second what that guys said.”

    I third what they said.

  69. Tancalebner May 5, 2014 at 9:48 pm -      #6469

    “““Can this thread stop already? I mean it was fun but it’s already been decided. Where the FP for halo anyway?”

    I second what that guys said.”
    I third what they said.”

    *raises hand* FOURTH!!! lol

  70. OberHerald May 16, 2014 at 1:32 pm -      #6470

    Anyone hear about the new Halo 5 info?

    www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/05/16/no-halo-5-until-2015.aspx

    Little bit on the name(Halo 5: Guardians) and stuff.

    And here is the first image: media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/microsoft2014/halo5/H5GConceptArt.jpg

    They apparently have confirmed the Spartan above Chief is not Cortana, and is a guy.

    My theory is that Chief goes rogue looking for Halsey/Cortana, UNSC/ONI no like that, send the best Spartan IV to get him, or kill him or what not. Would make for a cool Halo 2-esque campaign with switching views, and maybe a team-up like Arby and Chief in Halo 5/6.

    Be also a good “New vs. Old” storyline. We never really get to see Spartans fight.

    Also, anyone know what those floating sperm things are in the background of the picture, or the statue? I image the figure is Chief in his cloak or something.

  71. Virgil May 16, 2014 at 1:44 pm -      #6471

    @OberHerald

    Just checked up on that this morning and I find myself pretty excited.

    I’m hoping that they touch on the falling out ONI is going to have… Once details of ONI’s programs get out to the public there will be hell to pay. I can only assume that UEG will be looking to get their power back and why not do that through the trials of ONI spies, leaders, and war criminals?

    I suspect that the stabilization period following that will be quite interesting.

    I almost want to think those things belong to the Flood but I could always be wrong. To me it kind of looks like the ‘drop pods’ that the Zerg use in StarCraft 2’s cinematic trailer.

  72. OberHerald May 16, 2014 at 3:54 pm -      #6472

    Yeah, it looks like Flood, but I really hope its not. I feel like they have made their impact, and that should be it.

    On ONI and stuff, I do hope the whole Separatist Sangheili vs. ONI thing ends soon, I wanna see what happens if humans become more connected with the various Covenant species, not just on a military level but a cultural and peacetime one.

    Plus I wanna see Arbiter meet Chief again.

  73. Tenno Lowk May 16, 2014 at 7:51 pm -      #6473

    “not just on a military level but a cultural and peacetime one.”

    Evil forerunners invades, UNSC gets chief to go out and gather a crew. He kills a big ship and months later he dies. Oni puts him back together, gets another crew, gets ready for another adventure that will lead to a unfullfing ending that will be fixed months later via dlc. It will be called Halo Effect.

  74. IamTaco May 19, 2014 at 9:37 am -      #6474

    This is a bit of a nerco but holy shit. I knew that bioware really dropped the ball on ME3 with the ending and the nerfing of the reapers to retarded A.I with daddy issues but I never knew just how much they dropped the ball until now. I only played ME2, I never played ME3 because of it’s ending and never a day ago never watched any play through of it,other then the ending. But holy shit.

    Bioware really really dropped the ball on this one. And picked up a one souped up nerf bat.

    Let’s see. We have

    Everybody being gigantic idiots. Everybody. Seriously, the amount of stupidly makes halo look smart. Which is funny seeing how much people bitch at the newer halo material being absolutely retarded.

    The krogans being extremely valuable and important assets despite being a shadow of their former glory and being a dying race. Oh, and not having a single fucking starship vs space-Cthulhu who can wipe out entire cities from orbit. Oh and who can also mind rape people via close contact and use the bodies of their enemies as their troops. And yet the krogans are seen as extremely important assests instead of reaper food.

    The geth were the most powerful race in ME, other then the reapers, ruling over multiple star systems. And yet they were losing to the quarians who are one of the least powerful races in ME. And now the geth for some reason put all of their eggs in a single star system for easier breakage. Oh and great job starting a fucking war with the most powerful race in ME when space-Cthulhu himself has come from the stars and is busy turning everyone you ever loved into organic soup. Oh and because there can never be enough stupid, without the reaper code and their Dyson array, the entire geth collective are dumber then a 5 year old child.

    WW2 in space. Holy flying bricks in space batman. Each space battle looks like the two opposing fleets are so freaking close that can just reach out and hug one another. So much for FTL combat and mass-less propulsion systems right?

    Frigates and destroyers firepower being comparable to modern day artillery. Being able to take down cruisers and dreadnoughts with this kind of firepower. Horrible aim and point defense.

    I just feel sorry for mass effect at this point.

  75. Tenno Lowk May 19, 2014 at 1:05 pm -      #6475

    “The krogans being extremely valuable and important assets despite being a shadow of their former glory and being a dying race.”

    For all their power Reapers still use ground forces to help round up and get rid of opposition. Their numbers can also increase as they kill or capture. Krogan are a race of super soldier who can fight in just about any environment, tougher then most, and many have had more experience fighting then most of the other race’s soldiers.
    Plus with breeding rate restored they’d essentially be making themselves expendable. They’re useful for the reason they want them.
    Plus, lizard aliens riding dinosaurs.
    ===
    “The geth were the most powerful race in ME, other then the reapers, ruling over multiple star systems. And yet they were losing to the quarians who are one of the least powerful races in ME.”

    Quarians have been fighting and studying the geth for how many years? They built them, stands to reason they find a way to basically kicked the geth in the… what’s a good equivalent for balls for computers?
    They hit them while they were busy doin nothin to nobody.
    ===
    “Oh and great job starting a fucking war with the most powerful race in ME when space-Cthulhu himself has come from the stars and is busy turning everyone you ever loved into organic soup.”

    This I agree with. That entire part had me thinking WTF Quarians.

  76. erickyboo May 20, 2014 at 12:16 am -      #6476

    Also, how why did the Geth not try to be more talkative about their plans to give the Quarians stuff?

    ONI was actually preparing to unleash the Spartan-II secrets and stuff actually. Also, so far ONI seems to be doing a good job at keeping sangheili not too united. There are so many covenant factions. Some covies may be not too bad, like Theo’s, others not too good. The main innie faction seems to be the new colonial alliance. One captain, one Admiral, one S-IV, one original S-IV in.

    erickyboo.tumblr.com/image/86278083391
    Speaking of ONI… it’s not the best since I kind of worked near white outline on black instead of the usual near white on black, but hey, here it is angwags. Prowler VS Normandy.

  77. Tenno Lowk May 20, 2014 at 1:21 am -      #6477

    “Also, how why did the Geth not try to be more talkative about their plans to give the Quarians stuff?”

    They had to construct a special type of Geth just to properly communicate with organics. If Legion was the most personality the Geth could muster at the time, something tells me they didn’t have many points in charisma.
    Iirc I think Tali might have tried to convey that the geth weren’t bad to the flotilla since she worked with some. But well, if Skynet or Agent Smith said they didn’t want to hurt you, would you have believed it.
    ===
    “erickyboo.tumblr.com/image/86278083391″

    Niccccce

  78. Namer May 20, 2014 at 1:21 pm -      #6478

    This I agree with. That entire part had me thinking WTF Quarians.
    .
    WTF Quarians is right. The only excuse that can hold water is they figured the Citadel was distracted and wouldn’t interfere. But the actual reason is Bioware wanted to pump it as far up as they could, logic be damned.

    erickyboo.tumblr.com/image/86278083391
    Speaking of ONI… it’s not the best since I kind of worked near white outline on black instead of the usual near white on black, but hey, here it is angwags. Prowler VS Normandy.

    Nice one. Although, the problem you mentioned with outlines and backgrounds, couldn’t you just draw it first on a comfortable background, then fill in the actual spacey background later? That’d help improve it.

    I’m liking the colour scheme of Guardians. The planet’s quite obviously a desert planet, which’re always cool. Those drops pods in the background can only be Flood.

    I wanna see what happens if humans become more connected with the various Covenant species, not just on a military level but a cultural and peacetime one.
    .
    The meeting of Humans with the Covenant in Halo is pretty much one of the most violent in popular Sci-Fi. Realistically, it should be decades before anything of that sort happens on a wide scale. But, yeah, that’d be interesting.

  79. OberHerald May 20, 2014 at 1:28 pm -      #6479

    I get people are gonna hate each other, but thats what would make it so cool. Like a whole civil rights era with the various Covenant species. Heck, I could see the unggoy harboring huge grudges against everyone, humans, kig-yar, sangheili, etc.

    Its a great area for a story I guess is what I’m saying. And plus I’d like to see more of UNSC and Covenant daily life and their cites and stuff. My favorite Halo levels to date are still the Reach ones taking place in cities, or the first level in the farmlands of Reach. Really grasped the “futuristic/realistic” thing Halo tries to be.

  80. Ragnorke May 20, 2014 at 3:17 pm -      #6480

    “And plus I’d like to see more of UNSC and Covenant daily life and their cites and stuff. My favorite Halo levels to date are still the Reach ones taking place in cities, ”
    This.
    halo odst tried, but it was a shit game nonetheless.

  81. Glutinous-Bicarbonate May 20, 2014 at 5:05 pm -      #6481

    “Space-Cthulhu” is redundant since he came from space in the first place.

  82. Cananatra May 20, 2014 at 5:08 pm -      #6482

    No, its just inception. dundundun

  83. TLCBonaparte May 24, 2014 at 11:40 pm -      #6483

    Question: What’s stopping indoctrination in Halo Universe? As far as I know, any organic can be indoctrinated. That means flood, UNSC, Covenant are all pretty screwed. That aside, Halo universe’s shielding technology isn’t designed to contain reaper tech’s indoctrination juju, so if they try to study it in anyway, soon the whole R&D team will start to work against them.

  84. deathmetal3k May 24, 2014 at 11:44 pm -      #6484

    @TLCBonaparte read the rest of the thread. Its been discussed and Indoctrination won’t work. Trust me. I’ve been with this threat since like 300 comments… We’re at 6,000… Trust me. Halo wins it. And I am a Mass Effect fan.

  85. TLCBonaparte May 24, 2014 at 11:50 pm -      #6485

    @deathmetal3k I’d like to hear the arguments at least. Can you tell me the reason why?

  86. deathmetal3k May 24, 2014 at 11:59 pm -      #6486

    I know for the Flood its because the Gravemind alone is two powerful of a hive mind for indoctrination. The Flood, thanks to the forerunner books, are basically God like. They are based on precursor biology and are more than just physical. Those are the very basic reasons. The details are a lot more in depth but it was a greed on. There were easily a couple hundred, if not thousand comments to debate that one topic. For the UNSC, the indoctrination process is very slow, and with resources like ONI its was establish dhow the UNSC can easily create a way to track indoctrination, same as the forerunner would be able to. Also AI from halo are far more powerful, UNSC AI included, and the Reapers aren’t powerful enough to influence them, so they could also be a way to alert the UNSC, Forerunner, or whoever else, of indoctrinated people. Those are more basic reasons. I’ve read them all, just its been a while. Like Months or a year or more. One of the others might remember it better than me. I may go and look it back up later, but I’d have to get back to you later if thats the case.

  87. the_man_with The_Answers May 25, 2014 at 12:16 am -      #6487

    Indoctrination isn’t infallible, and seems to have limits and even ways to break it entirely. The Rachni Queen/Entirely Reaper version, Cerberus’ own attempts at controlling Reapers, the Leviathans, the Awakened Collector(s), and Shepard himself are testament to that.

  88. TLCBonaparte May 25, 2014 at 12:22 am -      #6488

    Ok, thanks for the info.

  89. OberHerald May 25, 2014 at 5:18 pm -      #6489

    To add to what people have said, even if someone was indoctrinated, and they happened to be someone of importance, through psych tests and the amount of surveillance and double-checking people that have access to important info get from ONI and the UNSC, they wouldn’t be able to steal anything of value or hurt Halo majorly.

  90. Ranger Lowk May 25, 2014 at 5:35 pm -      #6490

    @ober
    Well stealing information might be a little easier then sabotage due to them not need to act suspicious, send info, or leave to get info to the reaper. That and they don’t really show signs until later on when the mental decay starts. So for a bit they’ll seem normal, albeit unwittingly acting as meat cameras.

  91. erickyboo May 28, 2014 at 4:00 am -      #6491

    I changed up for the drawing but it didn’t work.

    I made a data chip replica. Sent it to 343i.
    erickyboo.tumblr.com/post/86577422936/data-crystal-chip

    Also, infinity survived being hit by a glassing cannon 3 times in under a minute.

    Spoiler alert.

    @@@@ftyvytfyr gfytdtyfyg bhufytdghvuvhub themoZ dereum odasy inlay fray okfdgg spoiler the flood is loose on the spirit of fire spoiler end lolojik tyufd resd gjuy dsddf hyrdcv @@@@@

  92. SgCombine May 28, 2014 at 11:45 pm -      #6492

    Visual feat for unshielded Infinity.

    Slightly damaged from three shots from the glassing cannon of a Covenant Space Station.
    i.imgur.com/BqlJI57.jpg

    This is what the Glassing cannon did to a kilometer long Covenant Corvette.
    i.imgur.com/v0Sb4TN.jpg

  93. Glutinous-Bicarbonate May 29, 2014 at 12:32 am -      #6493

    @Ericky
    Well shit.

  94. the_man_with The_Answers June 10, 2014 at 6:23 pm -      #6494

    Mass Effect 4 is a reality, so this isn’t over yet.

  95. OberHearse June 10, 2014 at 6:46 pm -      #6495

    Yup. Plus, Halo Guardians.

    Arby is back! :D

  96. Ranger Lowk June 10, 2014 at 7:24 pm -      #6496

    “so this isn’t over yet”

  97. IamTaco June 17, 2014 at 7:11 am -      #6497

    ‘For all their power Reapers still use ground forces to help round up and get rid of opposition. Their numbers can also increase as they kill or capture. Krogan are a race of super soldier who can fight in just about any environment, tougher then most, and many have had more experience fighting then most of the other race’s soldiers.’

    Okay. All of the super soldiers on the ground have killed all the reaper’s ground troops and have gained ground supremacy. Then what? There’s nothing to gain, no reaper facility to destroy, no orbital defense weapon to set up or gain control of. Those fucking 2km long spaceships are still going to up in orbit and are still going to kill everyone eventually. All ground troops do is delay the harvesting of the organics and feeding even more combat ready bodies to the reapers. And they can’t even claim to deplete the reaper’s ground troops since they make their troops from the million strong civilian population. So, ground troops just drain resources from the war effort/star ships building effort. They can’t really do anything in the war.

    And yet, everyone in ME treats the korgan like the most powerful asset ever. The turians general who won’t ally with the humans without korgan support, the salarians who go far as wager the fate of the galaxy just because of the korgans, mordin souls who I quote ‘the turians will be annihilated without help from the korgan’, the war assets where a bunch of korgan are worth more then an entire fleet of starships that can wipe out entire cities from orbit.

    ‘Plus with breeding rate restored they’d essentially be making themselves expendable. ‘

    Yes, expendable reaper troops. Let’s say that the korgan breeding rate is enough to produce a million fresh combat ready troops a year. And then? How are they going to train them? Feed them? Arm them with mass effect weaponry and amour? Weapons and amour that requires element zero if I must remind you. All of this resources that come out of other more important programmes. Like building more dreadnoughts.

    What Bioware forgot is that they made it so that ground troops don’t really matter in their universe and yet they continue act like the korgan actually matter. Probably to please fans.

    ‘ have been fighting and studying the geth for how many years? They built them, stands to reason they find a way to basically kicked the geth in the… what’s a good equivalent for balls for computers?’

    IIRC, the reason the Quarians could fight the geth on even grounds was because they overloaded the geth sensors with information due to the geth’s highly detailed radar scans.

    Facepalm. Yes, the highly advanced race of A.Is who are known for their information processing and cyberwarfare capabilities almost got wiped out because they didn’t have enough processing power. Remember the 7 zeta-byte feat for EDI? Apparently Bioware don’t because they continue writing this kind of crap.

    So the geth, a highly advanced race of A.Is with information processing and cyberwarfare suites far outstripping any organic equivalent fall to one of the oldest radar countermeasures ever. A.I are usually depicted as extremely intelligent, able to sort through mountains of raw data. Not the geth though. They suck now. They can’t do something as simple as developing a algorithm or a line or code to filter out of the sensor readings.

    Now, onto to ME4. Looks like ME are getting a big boost here, with rumours of ME4 being set in the far future and there being hints of interstellar travel with new sets of relays or even intergalactic travel.

  98. mack006 June 17, 2014 at 8:14 am -      #6498

    “Remember the 7 zeta-byte feat for EDI?”

    Ah yes, the part where EDI weaponized Joker’s porn and used it as a weapon against Cerberus.

  99. Ranger Lowk June 17, 2014 at 11:05 am -      #6499

    “All of the super soldiers on the ground have killed all the reaper’s ground troops and have gained ground supremacy. Then what?”

    Nothing. All they’ve would’ve done is bought more time for others to not be harvested. That pretty much all they could do and they knew it.
    ===
    “So, ground troops just drain resources from the war effort/star ships building effort.”

    Krogan come with there own resources and nothing to really contribute to starship building. They neither aid no hinder that.
    Ships can’t stop people from being abducted and also fight reapers. At best they also serve the purpose of stalling just in space.
    ===
    “The turians general who won’t ally with the humans without korgan support”

    ‘My forces are taking a beating. Know what ‘d be nice. The race of hard to kill guys that I fought and know.’
    Its like a Grunt wanting help from master chief to fight Ironman. They don’t know if they’ll win but it at least he think they’ll have a better chance then him by himself.
    ===
    “the salarians who go far as wager the fate of the galaxy just because of the korgans”

    Are you talking about the dalatrass taking away support because she thinks helping the krogan will eventually bite them in the back?
    ===
    “mordin souls who I quote ‘the turians will be annihilated without help from the korgan”

    More bodies means it’ll take longer for them to be annihilated.
    ===
    ” How are they going to train them?”

    Other Krogan. They don’t even need to be payed it what they normally do.
    ===
    “Feed them? Arm them with mass effect weaponry and amour?”

    You do realize were talking about a universe where they can rapidly manufacture things using what is essentially a smartphone. Weapons probably won’t be that big of a problem.
    Food I have no idea about but apparently they were capable of keeping themselves fed without the aid of the rest of the galaxy back when they had a crazy breeding rate.
    ===
    “Weapons and amour that requires element zero if I must remind you. All of this resources that come out of other more important programmes. Like building more dreadnoughts.”

    Dreads take quite a bit of time to construct, weapons don’t. They can collect it as they are building them instead of diverting all of there resources into one or the other. Plus I doubt weapons/armor take a that much eezo and weapons can be recovered from the field.
    ===
    “What Bioware forgot is that they made it so that ground troops don’t really matter in their universe and yet they continue act like the korgan actually matter.”

    They matter in the fact that ships can’t help people on land and take out the enemy without possibly blowing up friendly or or civilians. Ships they had in this case functioned on their scale as soldiers did on theirs. Neither was going to win it, they all were basically stalling for the sake of protecting everyone else and giving time for space magic to help save them.
    ===
    “Facepalm. Yes, the highly advanced race of A.Is who are known for their information processing and cyberwarfare capabilities almost got wiped out because they didn’t have enough processing power. Remember the 7 zeta-byte feat for EDI? Apparently Bioware don’t because they continue writing this kind of crap.”

    Yeah, that.. Thats kind off a gaping error in continuity. I’m gonna have to replay that part.
    ===
    “Now, onto to ME4. Looks like ME are getting a big boost here, with rumours of ME4 being set in the far future and there being hints of interstellar travel with new sets of relays or even intergalactic travel.”

    Why would they still need relays at that point for interstellar travel anymore if they’ve gone intergalactic. That’s like a huge boost in speed isn’t it?

  100. Ranger Lowk June 17, 2014 at 11:25 am -      #6500

    Late thought, What if Quarians had way more then 7 zetabytes of porn?

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