Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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  1. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 11:48 pm -      #6101

    This actually strengthens my argument.
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    It really doesn’t, it implies that the Reaper’s indoctrination isn’t nearly as potent as you are trying to make it seem.
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    You don’t seem to grasp the overwhelmingly large gap in complexity between Saren and Mendicant Bias.

  2. Aelfinn October 30, 2013 at 11:49 pm -      #6102

    “Wat.”
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    Well, lay out the dialogue options that cause Shepherd to change this man’s mind. Super-diplomacy generally means super-plot-reasons.
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    “You mean you don’t care, and that much is obvious.”
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    …How can that even be an argument? I really don’t care if my opponent could stab me if I’m able to shoot him from 100 yards away.
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    “As I have pointed out, this is a very critical asset that cannot be downplayed or ignored.”
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    Actually, it pretty easily can. Both Shepherd and Master Chief have plot magic working for them, so they do things they wouldn’t be able to do in the real world.

  3. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 11:51 pm -      #6103

    “It really doesn’t, it implies that the Reaper’s indoctrination isn’t nearly as potent as you are trying to make it seem.”

    So just because it is Shepard that automatically diminishes the power of the Reapers? Lol, see my following response.

    “You don’t seem to grasp the overwhelmingly large gap in complexity between Saren and Mendicant Bias.”

    I wasn’t comparing Mendicant Bias to Saren, I was comparing Gravemind to Sovereign. What took Gravemind decades to achieve over an AI, Sovereign accomplished in days with the best Spectre second only to Shepard.

  4. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 11:54 pm -      #6104

    Shepard will mean about as much as most other skilled commanders. He isn’t useless……but if bring ME together, and diplomacy aren’t issues, he’s just as good as the firepower he personally can bring is.
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    “Yeah, and Saren, a non-AI, was conditioned to follow the Reapers.”
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    FORCED to follow the Reapers through indoctrination. He still had some free will left, which means he was a hell of a lot easier to convince. MB was designed, as in made, born and bred, to be for the Forerunners. He was DESIGNED to resist the Gravemind. And yet the Gravemind still turned him. In only 50 years. Cause trust me, in how long the FR-Flood War was, that was a pretty short period of time. Not to mention it was a goddamned AI, someone who thinks on levels above any lining thing in either the Halo or ME universe. And the BEST of FR AI’s at that. Designed to beat what the Gravemind out-logiced it with.
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    “Wank”
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  5. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 11:56 pm -      #6105

    So just because it is Shepard that automatically diminishes the power of the Reapers? Lol, see my following response.
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    Your example isn’t as fool-proof as you think. You see one example of PIS and assume that Shepard has some incredible power of mental persuasion.
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    I wasn’t comparing Mendicant Bias to Saren, I was comparing Gravemind to Sovereign. What took Gravemind decades to achieve over an AI, Sovereign accomplished in days with the best Spectre second only to Shepard.
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    That changes nothing I have said, the level in complexity is vastly different.

  6. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 11:57 pm -      #6106

    “Well, lay out the dialogue options that cause Shepherd to change this man’s mind. Super-diplomacy generally means super-plot-reasons.”

    I just did. See Reply 6091.

    “…How can that even be an argument? I really don’t care if my opponent could stab me if I’m able to shoot him from 100 yards away.”

    I meant in response to OberHeresy’s assertion that just because he doesn’t care about something doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t either. What about the person with the knife, eh?

    “Actually, it pretty easily can. Both Shepherd and Master Chief have plot magic working for them, so they do things they wouldn’t be able to do in the real world.”

    And Halo and Mass Effect relate to the real world… how exactly?

    It really takes at least 3 to 4 on 1 to make this an even debate? Really? TMWTA, you may want to get some of your buddies from Spacebattles to make this an even fight.

  7. Aelfinn October 30, 2013 at 11:59 pm -      #6107

    Aren’t Forerunner AI’s able to do things like individually command trillions of FTL spaceships every second? That’s vastly more complex than a human mind.

  8. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 11:59 pm -      #6108

    “That changes nothing I have said, the level in complexity is vastly different.”

    Indeed it does, it goes to show that Sovereign is a much more advanced being, mentally, than the Gravemind. The Gravemind couldn’t even mentally do shit to Master Chief, a being of “machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded”.

    Smh…

  9. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 12:01 am -      #6109

    “Aren’t Forerunner AI’s able to do things like individually command trillions of FTL spaceships every second? That’s vastly more complex than a human mind.”

    See my above response.

    I guess by this logic, Master Chief is leagues above a 4runner AI in levels of mental complexity.

    The lulz.

  10. OberHeresy October 31, 2013 at 12:02 am -      #6110

    Cut off my comment early.
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    “wank”
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    It’s wank to suggest that a civilization, that easily travels around the entire Milky Way Galaxy, without relying on old tech, that has the ability to accelerate and slow time, that has average soldier gear that can decimate cities, that can manufacture thousands of ships in seconds, that can wipe out all life, and do it selectively to being only sentient life, in minutes or hours, that can combat something like the Flood for centuries……its wank to suggest that they outclass all of MEs races combined? Because, lemme tell ya, one of their more powerful ships could solo the entirety of ME……
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    (Shepard being able to use pep talk to convince Saren to turn means he is really good at diplomacy)
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    What it means is that Saren could have talked to pretty much anyone that could give him the proper pep talk, and he would have been able to turn against the Reapers. It’s not like he was really convincing Saren even. Saren wasn’t for the Reapers willingly. He was just giving him the encouragement he needed to give that last push to overcome them.
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    I’d personally say his many other diplomacy feats are much better. He’s a good diplomat, but he’s not a friggen hypnotist that can convince anyone and anything to follow behind him, or not pull the trigger, or what not. He also has the good fortune of being the main character and having the plot behind him.

  11. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 12:02 am -      #6111

    Aren’t Forerunner AI’s able to do things like individually command trillions of FTL spaceships every second? That’s vastly more complex than a human mind.
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    Not the mention that Mendicant could take control of no less than 5 of the original 12 Halos simultaneously.

  12. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 12:03 am -      #6112

    “I just did. See Reply 6091.”
    Shepherd: “Some part of you must still realize this is wrong. You can fight this!”
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    You mean Shepherd said Stereotypical Movie Quote #235? Yeah, that’s retarded.
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    “What about the person with the knife, eh?”
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    You’re playing with goddamn semantics.
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    “And Halo and Mass Effect relate to the real world… how exactly?”
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    I meant with actual people and actual responses, not plot-responses and characters. You knew what I meant, don’t semantic-fight.
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    “It really takes at least 3 to 4 on 1 to make this an even debate?”
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    Who the fuck says it’s even? All I see is Shepherd wank from you and a community trying to put it down. Just because many people are arguing with you does not mean they are all necessary. They just all saw something wrong with what you said.

  13. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 12:05 am -      #6113

    Indeed it does, it goes to show that Sovereign is a much more advanced being, mentally, than the Gravemind. The Gravemind couldn’t even mentally do shit to Master Chief, a being of “machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded”.
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    Amazing how far you would go to ignore what I just said. Gravemind manipulated the most powerful AI in the Forerunner’s arsenal, while Sovereign took control of an above average Turain, only to have it reversed in one speech.

  14. Kytheros October 31, 2013 at 12:05 am -      #6114

    “Problem with saying Shepard’s fall was better is that we don’t know how he even fell. If he fell in the wreckage of the Crucible…..well that’s not really special then is it? For all we know he was teleported to the surface of Earth.”
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    Eh what? Shepard’s fall wasn’t from the Crucible. Shepard’s unprotected orbital drop occurs in the lead-in/opening cinematics to Mass Effect 2, when the SRV-1 Normandy was destroyed, and we see Shepard clipping tendrils of upper atmosphere with just his suit, nothing he can possibly use to shield himself. Take away the suit breach, and Shepard survives that, though it isn’t fun.
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    As for Sovereign Indoctrinating Saren … we don’t actually know all that much about the circumstances.

  15. OberHeresy October 31, 2013 at 12:07 am -      #6115

    “Indeed it does, it goes to show that Sovereign is a much more advanced being, mentally, than the Gravemind. The Gravemind couldn’t even mentally do shit to Master Chief, a being of “machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded”.”
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    The Gravemind didn’t have a chance to infect him, otherwise he would have taken him over immediately. Soveriegn had as much time with Saren as he wanted to infect him, and that took much longer than it would I might add for the Gravemind to convert someone to the Flood. Plus, Sovereign couldn’t take Shepard over either, nor any other Reaper. Wanna know why? Because the plot demands it. Same with MC.

  16. OberHeresy October 31, 2013 at 12:09 am -      #6116

    “Eh what? Shepard’s fall wasn’t from the Crucible. Shepard’s unprotected orbital drop occurs in the lead-in/opening cinematics to Mass Effect 2, when the SRV-1 Normandy was destroyed, and we see Shepard clipping tendrils of upper atmosphere with just his suit, nothing he can possibly use to shield himself. Take away the suit breach, and Shepard survives that, though it isn’t fun”
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    Ah. I thought everyone was talking about how Shep apparently lives at the end of ME3. I’m not aware of the ME2 circumstances.

  17. Draco October 31, 2013 at 12:13 am -      #6117

    @Aelfinn
    “Hitting anything at terminal velocity will kill the average man. What do you mean “incredibly hard”? It’s not like landing in sand (or dirt or whatever) isn’t going to send one’s spine through their skull.”
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    understandably, yes, but going from a higher location (longer time exposed to the extreme heat) and hitting a glacier is still a difference than falling from a shorter distance and skidding along the dirt instead of hitting it straight on.

  18. Kytheros October 31, 2013 at 12:17 am -      #6118

    “Ah. I thought everyone was talking about how Shep apparently lives at the end of ME3. I’m not aware of the ME2 circumstances.”
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    ????
    As far as I know, ‘living’ Shepard at the end of ME3 is the Control Option, where Shepard becomes the Reapers. Is there something else where Shepard lives?

  19. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 12:36 am -      #6119

    “It’s wank to suggest that a civilization, that easily travels around the entire Milky Way Galaxy”

    Mass Relays.

    “without relying on old tech”

    Reapers.

    “that has the ability to accelerate and slow time,”

    And Reapers have the ability to manipulate quantum realms at the subatomic level. :)

    See: Codex/Mass Relays

    “that has average soldier gear that can decimate cities”

    Exact quote, now.

    “that can manufacture thousands of ships in seconds”

    Reapers harvest millions in hours.

    “that can wipe out all life, and do it selectively to being only sentient life, in minutes or hours, that can combat something like the Flood for centuries”

    I explained why the Flood get roflstomped by the Reapers in their most generic stage.

    “……its wank to suggest that they outclass all of MEs races combined?”

    Yes.

    “Because, lemme tell ya, one of their more powerful ships could solo the entirety of ME……”

    Excluding the Crucible and Shepard that is, the latter of which could most likely pull a Master Chief and board it, destroying it from the inside-out, with a 3 man shore party. =/

  20. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 12:41 am -      #6120

    “The Gravemind didn’t have a chance to infect him, otherwise he would have taken him over immediately. Soveriegn had as much time with Saren as he wanted to infect him, and that took much longer than it would I might add for the Gravemind to convert someone to the Flood. Plus, Sovereign couldn’t take Shepard over either, nor any other Reaper. Wanna know why? Because the plot demands it. Same with MC.”

    Tomato Tomahto. Potato Potahto.

    “I meant with actual people and actual responses, not plot-responses and characters. You knew what I meant, don’t semantic-fight.”

    And you know what -I- meant. Argument invalid.

    “Who the fuck says it’s even? All I see is Shepherd wank from you and a community trying to put it down. Just because many people are arguing with you does not mean they are all necessary. They just all saw something wrong with what you said.”

    Throwing people away like cannon fodder. How noble of you.

    “Amazing how far you would go to ignore what I just said. Gravemind manipulated the most powerful AI in the Forerunner’s arsenal, while Sovereign took control of an above average Turain, only to have it reversed in one speech.”

    By Commander Goddamn Shepard.

  21. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 12:46 am -      #6121

    It’s like you aren’t even trying at this point. The evidence is quite clear, what the Gravemind did was far more impressive and carried a much greater impact than what Sovereign attempted to do.

  22. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 12:50 am -      #6122

    hey hey

  23. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 12:51 am -      #6123

    yo sup?

  24. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 12:52 am -      #6124

    “It’s like you aren’t even trying at this point. The evidence is quite clear, what the Gravemind did was far more impressive and carried a much greater impact than what Sovereign attempted to do.”

    Yeah, and you’re all trying -too- hard, if anything. =P

    @Allo Seph welcome to the freak-show. =)

  25. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 12:52 am -      #6125

    i got somethin for ya. im about to end this argument.

  26. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 12:55 am -      #6126

    “i got somethin for ya. im about to end this argument.”

    Alrighty then…

  27. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 12:56 am -      #6127

    Yeah, and you’re all trying -too- hard, if anything.
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    Is that how you rationalize all your failures?

  28. Zazax October 31, 2013 at 12:56 am -      #6128

    “Is there something else where Shepard lives?”
    If you pick the Destroy ending and have a sufficiently high EMS, you get a brief, seconds long shot of a suit of N7 armor lying in some rubble, with whoever is wearing it conveniently obscured. It suddenly inhales sharply, and cut to black.
    It’s quite cheeky.

  29. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 12:59 am -      #6129

    “Is that how you rationalize all your failures?”
    Lol how can I fail while not even trying to debate like 6 people simultaneously? As you said… “It’s like [I'm not] even trying at this point.”
    =P

  30. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 1:00 am -      #6130

    sovereign is nothing….why does everyone target one ship? hows about this, one reaper = one planet. one reaper = indoctrination. it took the crucible to end it. solarians = genetic warfare. master chief = surrounded by technological marvels, which can be controlled by geth. mass effect would take losses however, the facts are there that they would win. and yes shepard could unite them because master chief isin’t a douche bag. gimme a mantles approach, and ill give you a badass indoctrinated ship that fights for the reapers.

  31. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:02 am -      #6131

    Lol how can I fail while not even trying to debate like 6 people simultaneously? As you said…
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    That’s what I thought, you take the defeatist approach. Just admit that you lacked the ability to sway the argument in your favor.

  32. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 1:04 am -      #6132

    make sense huh?

  33. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 1:04 am -      #6133

    ” gimme a mantles approach, and ill give you a badass indoctrinated ship that fights for the reapers.”

    Indeed.

  34. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:06 am -      #6134

    make sense huh?
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    Irrelevant to how these Universe vs. Universe are intended to be debated. The rules state that it’s a fight to the death. There is no room for negotiation.

  35. erickyboo October 31, 2013 at 1:08 am -      #6135

    Did you really just diss halo wars?
    Halo wars is soo fun! I’m from halo wars.com forums, before they got merged with waypoint which is why I have a halo wars exclusive underlayer avatar on waypoint. Batman and Robin? Halo wars captured the halo feel way better than halo Reach. And only beating the game? I’m a general in halo wars. Do not diss halo wars.
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    Opinions aside, flood. Installation 05′s flood and the gas mine’s flood were unleashed and taken out, wouldn’t surprise me if there are some on the Ark left. We didn’t defeat the whole flood. They just ended the installation’s 05 flood from doing what they were doing. That flood chose to go to the Ark en masse. Possibly to await for their plans. Also a gravemind mindraped the Didact and broke him. The flood will return,
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    “It was long ago decided. Forerunners will never bear the Mantle.” “Humans will be tested” “Humans will rise again in arrogance and defiance. The Flood will return when they are ripe―and bring them unity” -Primordial
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    The Flood/precursors. They are at the core of halo. The mantle, it’s from the precursors. The driving force behind the Forerunners, the twisted version that the Covenant held. The halos, built for the Flood. Mendicant Bias teaching the covenant war and destruction and weapons, to give them the tools to combat the flood. The isoDidact not destroying Mendicant Bias, in case the flood returns. Humanity is the chosen race by the precursors to wield their Mantle. They are the reclaimers. The overarching story, the flood/precursors.
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    The flood are not defeated. 6 rings left. The flood was believed to be sterilized on installation 05, ONI has it. ONI also has 03. The flood containment facility was secured by humans. Maybe the coop missions take place on installation 03.

  36. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:09 am -      #6136

    “And you know what -I- meant. Argument invalid.”
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    You said: “And Halo and Mass Effect relate to the real world… how exactly?” I took this to mean that they weren’t in the real world, therefore Shepherd would still be able to magic-plot-diplomacy his problems away. How was I supposed to take it? Shepherd just wouldn’t be able to do what he did if people had real emotions. You can’t just say “Argument Invalid” just by saying what I said back at you. That’s asshat behavior.
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    “Throwing people away like cannon fodder. How noble of you.”
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    You have reading problems, don’t you? When did I “throw people away like cannon fodder”? All I said was that not all of us were necessary to beat you.
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    “By Commander Goddamn Shepard.”
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    You know, this really makes me want Shepard to go up against Rand. But I don’t like intentional stomps.

  37. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:11 am -      #6137

    Do not diss halo wars.
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    Let him speak his mind, if he really didn’t like the game, there isn’t much you can do to change it.

  38. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:13 am -      #6138

    You know, this really makes me want Shepard to go up against Rand. But I don’t like intentional stomps.
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    You and I both know that a slow and painful death for the other side is much more satisfying, in relation to debating that is.

  39. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 1:16 am -      #6139

    “That’s what I thought, you take the defeatist approach.”

    How is being able to debate 5-6 people at once, simultaneously, without effort… wat? Just leave.

    “Just admit that you lacked the ability to sway the argument in your favor.”

    Except Sephiroth, Draco, Ky and a few others right? You can’t just exclude variables that represent outliers to your statistics, it doesn’t work like that.

    “Irrelevant to how these Universe vs. Universe are intended to be debated. The rules state that it’s a fight to the death. There is no room for negotiation.”

    Reaper indoctrination. Look it up.

  40. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 1:17 am -      #6140

    “You have reading problems, don’t you? When did I “throw people away like cannon fodder”? All I said was that not all of us were necessary to beat you.”

    Then why have none of you done it yet?
    =P

  41. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:18 am -      #6141

    “You and I both know that a slow and painful death for the other side is much more satisfying, in relation to debating that is.”
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    You’re right, but it can get tiring.

  42. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 1:19 am -      #6142

    ok then, halo looses. sorry partner game over. it was a good fight but sorry. i love halo and mass effect however, its just too much for halo to handle. THAT manny races? plus reapers, plus geth, man its just too overwhelming especially when mass effect has the masters of genetic poisoning, as well as the reapers that can turn your troops against you effectively smashing assholes. oh and don’t forget the crucible…the things nasty.

  43. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:21 am -      #6143

    How is being able to debate 5-6 people at once, simultaneously, without effort… wat? Just leave.
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    Seems a short circuited your brain, let’s put this in simpler terms for you then. You are using the fact that several people disagree with the points you were originally making as an excuse to give up.
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    Except Sephiroth, Draco, Ky and a few others right? You can’t just exclude variables that represent outliers to your statistics, it doesn’t work like that.
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    It didn’t look that way from where I was standing. It looked to me like they all had their own opinions on the subject that just so happen to run parallel to yours from time to time.
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    Reaper indoctrination. Look it up.
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    That’s not the part I was responding to. Assuming Master Chief and Shepard would team up is irrelevant here.

  44. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:22 am -      #6144

    “How is being able to debate 5-6 people at once, simultaneously, without effort… wat? Just leave.”
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    Fuck, he’s got delusions of grandeur. You are aware that responding to someone is not the same as “debat[ing them]… without effort”, right? Writing down words does not mean you are winning. Writing down a bunch of words in response to a bunch of people does not mean you are winning.
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    “Then why have none of you done it yet?”
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    Fuck. You know, I defended you. I thought you weren’t an asshat, but you’re being an asshat.

  45. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 1:26 am -      #6145

    0_o

  46. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:26 am -      #6146

    “ok then, halo looses. sorry partner game over. it was a good fight but sorry. ”
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    The kid makes five posts and now he thinks he can call the match? You know, this is starting to make me angry.
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    Did you read ANY of the other pages? ANY of the arguments? Look at ANY of the evidence that shows Halo has better ships, more ships, less weak points, and more industry? No? Then don’t call the match.

  47. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:30 am -      #6147

    I just knew I would be sorely disappointed as soon as sephiroth mentioned that he had a way to end the debate.

  48. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 1:32 am -      #6148

    “Fuck, he’s got delusions of grandeur. You are aware that responding to someone is not the same as “debat[ing them]… without effort”, right? Writing down words does not mean you are winning. Writing down a bunch of words in response to a bunch of people does not mean you are winning.”

    “Seems a short circuited your brain, let’s put this in simpler terms for you then. You are using the fact that several people disagree with the points you were originally making as an excuse to give up.”

    “It didn’t look that way from where I was standing. It looked to me like they all had their own opinions on the subject that just so happen to run parallel to yours from time to time.”

    I think you are all in denial.

    “ok then, halo looses. sorry partner game over. it was a good fight but sorry. i love halo and mass effect however, its just too much for halo to handle. THAT manny races? plus reapers, plus geth, man its just too overwhelming especially when mass effect has the masters of genetic poisoning, as well as the reapers that can turn your troops against you effectively smashing assholes. oh and don’t forget the crucible…the things nasty.”

    I actually believe that it would be a fairly close fight when not factoring in the Crucible and Shepard (don’t forget about the Salarians’ ability to concoct technological nightmares such as the likes of the Genophage, not to mention the Shadow Broker Network, which had the intel gathering abilities required to start a war in 10 minutes), but without these things I hate to say it but Halo would stomp ME.

  49. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 1:32 am -      #6149

    man i like you, puffin your chest out thinkin you got this. how did you know i dident read them? oh? your sitting beside me? no? well then….i guess we know who the psychic is hmm? well m.r psychic, tell me, in a scientific community or anny debate when a substantial argument is made that trumps the other, it dosen’t matter who it was that made it. rookie or veteran, it is done. how old are you annyway? irrelevant statements like that are sure to win you a prize!

  50. Abbazorkzog October 31, 2013 at 1:34 am -      #6150

    “man i like you, puffin your chest out thinkin you got this. how did you know i dident read them? oh? your sitting beside me? no? well then….i guess we know who the psychic is hmm? well m.r psychic, tell me, in a scientific community or anny debate when a substantial argument is made that trumps the other, it dosen’t matter who it was that made it. rookie or veteran, it is done. how old are you annyway? irrelevant statements like that are sure to win you a prize!”

    Get ‘em!
    Finish ‘im off!

  51. erickyboo October 31, 2013 at 1:34 am -      #6151

    That’s why I said something about opinions aside I think @6137

  52. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:36 am -      #6152

    how did you know i dident read them?
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    You in no way referenced any of the earlier arguments presented.
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    in a scientific community or anny debate when a substantial argument is made that trumps the other, it dosen’t matter who it was that made it.
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    Arrogance doesn’t win you debates.

  53. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:38 am -      #6153

    Well you explicitly told him to not diss Halo Wars, it’s inevitable that someone would say something about it that you may not like. Simple fact is that it wasn’t nearly as well received as the rest of the series.

  54. sephiroth October 31, 2013 at 1:45 am -      #6154

    oh? dident like that verbal ass beating i just handed you? i knew you were a champ! i supplied the resources to end this but you want to cling to this like its the only thing you do! surely not! why, i bet you have a life! and maybe you contribute to society too! happy day, I’ve met a fine upstanding productive member of society! dont piss me off oh productive masses! you will be praying for the second coming of abbazorkzog! hugs and kisses!

  55. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:46 am -      #6155

    “man i like you, puffin your chest out thinkin you got this. how did you know i dident read them? oh? your sitting beside me? no? well then….i guess we know who the psychic is hmm? well m.r psychic, tell me, in a scientific community or anny debate when a substantial argument is made that trumps the other, it dosen’t matter who it was that made it. rookie or veteran, it is done. how old are you annyway? irrelevant statements like that are sure to win you a prize!”
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    I knew you didn’t fucking read them because your arguments didn’t make any goddamn sense! You didn’t make a “substantial argument”, so don’t expect a community to say “it is done”! “Solarians = genetic warfare”, yeah, because that really matters. “Master Chief = surrounded by techonological wonders”. Who gives two shits about Master Chief? “One Reaper = Indoctrination” Yeah, because it’s not like Halo ships can’t blow it relatively easily, now is it?
    Your argument consisted of “Man, Mass Effect is cool. It wins!”
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    How old am I? I’m 19. Looking at your posts, I’d put you at 14 MAX, considering the poor grammar, complete lack of capitalization, and the spelling errors.

  56. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:48 am -      #6156

    “oh? dident like that verbal ass beating i just handed you?”
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    What, you think because I didn’t respond in 10 minutes means I backed down or something? Listen up here, we allow each other ample time to form responses on this site. Gaps in time mean little to nothing.

  57. Aelfinn October 31, 2013 at 1:50 am -      #6157

    Sorry for triple post
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    “Yeah, because it’s not like Halo ships can’t blow it relatively easily, now is it?”
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    I of course meant “blow it up”. The other thing… isn’t an image I want to see.

  58. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 1:51 am -      #6158

    You can only cram so much sarcasm into one message, it gets old fast. Making a list is about the laziest thing you can do in a debate, just short of saying you think Mass Effect would win, just because. You gave no feats, just speculation and nothing else.

  59. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 31, 2013 at 2:53 am -      #6159

    I like this Sephiroth bloke.
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    He’s not as offensive and immovable as Fisherking, but he’s got that old fashioned wanker pep to him.
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    And boy, I’ll take the initiative to say you’re barking with a highly credible, highly respected Veteran. In simpler vernacular, you dun goofed.

  60. TheSorrow October 31, 2013 at 3:26 am -      #6160

    Nothing is more humorous to me than watching some greenhorn mouth off like they have someone on the ropes. It’s times like this that makes coming back here every once in awhile that makes it worth it.

  61. IamTaco October 31, 2013 at 3:35 am -      #6161

    This is hilarious. Makes me glad that I quit this debate a couple of pages back.

  62. Zazax October 31, 2013 at 3:41 am -      #6162

    “Did you really just diss halo wars?”
    I’m actually quite ambivalent about it. I don’t like it, but I don’t particularly dislike it either. I just found it generally unremarkable in every way.
    Of course, this may be because, due to genre, I can only compare it to PC RTSs, one of my favoured genres, and there’s just no comparison.
    *shrug*
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    I’m also not one to let the franchise something belongs to sway my opinion about it. For example, Star Wars is one of my favourite franchises of all time, but just because, say, Force Commander is a Star Wars RTS (good franchise + good genre) doesn’t mean I’m going to cut it any slack if it’s a bad game, which it was. Best thing to come out of that was the menu music.
    In the same vein, I (usually. Damn Forerunner Trilogy) like Halo, despite what some matches on this site may suggest, but I just found Halo Wars rather mediocre, and I’m not about to give it a free pass just because it’s Halo.
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    But, to each his own, I guess. I probably really like games that you despise (or would, if you haven’t played them).
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    “And only beating the game? I’m a general in halo wars.”
    I tend to avoid console multiplayer like the plague unless I’m specifically playing a game with friends, and as mentioned I was the only one I know who actually played more than five minutes of the game.
    So, you know, I had the campaign and a couple of skirmishes. May have contributed somewhat to the perceived mediocrity.
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    “The Flood/precursors. They are at the core of halo.”
    It really isn’t. There’s no single mention of it whatsoever in the original trilogy, and it was retconned in by the books. If something has to be retconned in by something that’s not even the primary media, it’s decidedly *not* the central conflict. The Flood don’t even appear in 3 of the main 7 games. That’s almost half. It only gets worse if you include the books.
    It’s like Warcraft. No matter how many legions of undead, demon invasions, very angry dragons, etc that the world suffers, the primary conflict that the story keeps coming back to is Alliance vs Horde.
    In Halo, the main enemy is almost always the Covenant, at least (and notably) up until the last couple missions of Halo 3 (where, by the way, the Loyalist Covenant are in full retreat and their leaders are all dead, effectively defeating them).
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    “The flood are not defeated. 6 rings left. The flood was believed to be sterilized on installation 05, ONI has it. ONI also has 03. The flood containment facility was secured by humans. Maybe the coop missions take place on installation 03.”
    See prior point about them only getting out if there’s an Idiot Plot. If the Flood have been contained on the Rings for millennia, then the only way they’re getting off is if someone lets them off. After the original trilogy everyone knows how dangerous the Flood are, so only a colossal idiot would even consider letting the Flood out (in fact, they’re probably better off destroying them while they’re still contained, or even just blowing up the Rings entirely).
    Neither the UNSC or Covenant have particularly good track records for intelligent decisions, but come on. Neither of them is that bad..

  63. Watchdog Lowk October 31, 2013 at 4:02 am -      #6163

    So seeing a lot of ME wank. This must be what its like to be a halo fan back when the fanboys were everywhere.

  64. the_man_with The_Answers October 31, 2013 at 4:13 am -      #6164

    Don’t have time to reply to everything right now, but I just need to say one thing:
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    I warned you guys. I totally warned you guys.

  65. Kytheros October 31, 2013 at 4:18 am -      #6165

    @Zazax – definitely agree that the central focus of Halo is not the Flood.
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    As for any hypothetical Flood stashes on the other Halos, while IdiotPlot should be the only way for the Flood to get out and neither the UNSC nor Arbiter’s faction, nor the Storm Covenant, nor any other Covenant breakaway faction is dumb enough to let the Flood out … while none of them should be that far gone, I dunno, the UNSC-ONI is pretty dumb about that kind of thing going by the books. They gave major material and combat support to the anti-Arbiter/Covenant Loyalist (and anti-human) faction amongst the Sangheili, and Jul M’dama was in their custody, and they let him roam around on the inside of Shieldworld Onyx (known to ONI as Trevelayn – but I’m pretty sure they’re still keeping the place secret from the rest of the UNSC) in the company of an Engineer who was native to the place – aka a direct Forerunner-line Engineer. Dunno about you guys, but if I’m in charge of ONI security inside Onyx/in charge of maintaining custody of M’dama, he’s not walking around – literally exploring the place – with an Engineer, and if I’m forced to allow him to walk around with the Engineer, he’s walking around with a deadman’s switch inside him (that he doesn’t know about) attached to an explosive that will go off if it stops receiving a signal and a security team with lethal force authorization. Oh, and I don’t blow up the Arbiter’s ships to let the Covenant Loyalist Sangheili escape.

  66. Namer October 31, 2013 at 7:14 am -      #6166

    I’d like to say just one thing: Abbie and Sephie, are by no means representatives of the ME fanbase here.

    All the while, I’m getting more material for ME. Nothing tide-turning, but making it slightly more even. A bit too busy to bring them up and debate, thought atm.

  67. erickyboo October 31, 2013 at 7:41 am -      #6167

    Not going to answer all right now but doctor Magnusson was almost shot by Parangosky herself for her incompetence. She put her in Midnight facility and promoted someone else.
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    The flood might have already been loose, such as shield world 0459, alternatively, it could have been accidentally released.
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    Not Covenant loyalists but anti-arbiter more. Servants of the abiding truth. To fuel a civil war so the Sangheili are too busy fighting themselves instead of forming new anti-human sects.
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  68. OberHeresy October 31, 2013 at 7:43 am -      #6168

    I kinda wanna suggest Mantle’s Appraoch vs. Mass Effect now….

  69. Namer October 31, 2013 at 10:26 am -      #6169

    Make it composite, and ME has a chance. Lol.

  70. geomax October 31, 2013 at 3:17 pm -      #6170

    No, then It’s a massive stomp because Halo has full power Forerunners and Silentum Flood.

  71. SgCombine October 31, 2013 at 4:43 pm -      #6171

    @geomax
    Pretty sure he was referring to composite ME vs Mantle’s Approach.

  72. Doctor Overlord October 31, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #6172

    …wow, I haven’t been here in a while, but I didn’t expect to return to ME wank. :/

    General consensus is the same as it was 4k posts ago when I last posted here. Halo still seems to be winning…

  73. BC October 31, 2013 at 8:37 pm -      #6173

    “ His first mission against the Covenant was blowing up a ship. He also hijacked an assault carrier, blew another one up in Halo 2, blew up grounded high charity in Halo 3, took out a Covenant ship in Halo 4, and considered it a legitimate tactic to hijack a Covenant ship when he was marooned on Requiem (When he was lacking all support and most weapon options, completely alone barring Cortana, and against multiple thousand to one odds where the enemy also has an entire fleet). “
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    If Ghosts of Onyx is anything to go by hijacking a Covenant ship is not only legitimate, it has gotten to be old hat and should probably be considered a standard procedure. In the book it is mentioned how incredibly lax security is on board the things and how they never learn from security breaches and keep the same old easily exploited system where humans (or anyone else with more brains than hubris) would have fixed or scraped it after the first breach. They actually seem to be worse than the Zentradi when it comes to shipboard security and probably would not even notice a Geth walking around mugging crew in out of the way corners if it had a Covie uniform on any more than the Zentradi noticed the Valkyrie walking around their ship.
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    The team in GoO had no problem getting on board a Covie ship and using the computers to flush the Covie crew so they could take it; it was practically trivial. Unlike the Covie monolithic systems with their poor security and blanket access to ships functions ME computer systems are secured and compartmentalized to an almost pathological degree due to the “AI threat” mentality pervading the universe. Taking over one computer would be noticed by the others and steps would be taken to isolate and neutralize the presumably rogue VI before anything much could be done with it. Hacking a ships computer network to take it over (as opposed to cracking authorization codes which is not as bad) in ME is a nasty snake pit and you have to handle all the snakes in it at once. Also the systems are deliberately restricted as much as possible from doing things that could harm the organics on board without authorization from the organics themselves (and unlike the Covenant crews they have overrides and know how to use them…).
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    It is a matter of the cultural environment, the Covenant have little need to fear their own computers so they barely even consider that they could be used against them while on the other hand the Boogieman every child in ME is warned against is an AI so they make damn sure anything computer driven cannot be turned against them like the Halo Team flushing the Covies. Despite the surface difference in results EDI is probably a better hacker than Cortana (regardless of what their relative intelligence may be) just to get the results she gets.

  74. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 31, 2013 at 9:15 pm -      #6174

    @BC
    More, the Covenant understood Forerunner reports of Mendicant Bias’ betrayal as a general warning against what humans considered Smart A.I.s, which is ironic considering that Mendicant Bias was itself venerated as the “Oracle” within the Forerunner Dreadnought within High Charity.
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    So like the Imperium of Man, they didn’t use intelligent AI because they were afraid of a possible uprising.

  75. IamTaco November 1, 2013 at 5:57 am -      #6175

    Well to be fair, throughout the 20 years of war only a single covenant ship was ever captured by the UNSC. And the ship captured by blue team in ghost of onyx may not have even heard of that incident yet.

  76. IamTaco November 1, 2013 at 9:53 am -      #6176

    So…? How is the BankGambling award going?

  77. Abbazorkzog November 2, 2013 at 11:00 am -      #6177

    After doing some research on the Mantle’s Approach and the campaign level “Midnight” of Halo 4 in and of itself I’ve actually changed my mind on current-era Halo being able to defeat Mass Effect. It is possible for them to win if they issue a surprise attack, but not if every Mass Effect faction assails them at once. The Mantle’s Approach survived Orbital Defense Command’s attack by MAC weaponry, yet we never see the attack happen. What if they merely missed? Also, what if it wasn’t the Super MACS? Due to the fact ODP’s require the use of ground-based ODG’s, which gives reason to believe they are a valuable and inexpendable asset, and it would have been very unwise to use them up right off the bat on an enigmatic enemy such as the Approach, it is more likely than not those were regular 64 kiloton-level MACs that they went ahead to use in place of the 52 gigatonner Mark 5s (which they would be more likely to use in the instance of a hull breach). It is also probable that they were ineffective due to the Approach’s point defense system shooting them down before they could reach the thing’s hull to do any damage in the first place. As we can see one shot from the Infinity causes a hull breach.

    Fleetcom Watch (COM): “Orbital Defense Command, this is FleetCom. Hostile inbound. Proceed to Condition Red.”
    Orbital Defense (COM): “This is Earth Orbital Defense! MAC defense ineffective against enemy vessel. It’s still approaching.”

    He just said MAC, and he didn’t say ‘enemy vessel is undamaged’ specifically, so anything is possible at this point, do not jump to conclusions. The CR-08, Series-8 Magnetic Accelerator Cannons were more or less a concentrated beam of plasma energy, the Titanium armored battle-plate used on UNSC warships has a melting point of 1668 degrees Centigrade, however plasma, as said in the Ghosts of Onyx is said to be around 3,000 degrees C. Forerunner technology is also highly susceptible to plasma, as is seen also in GoO where elites blast through a Forerunner door with a barrage of plasma rifles and other weapons, and Johnson blasting through the Control Room door in Halo 2. The Geth, the most numerous faction in ME with the most ships (5,000 to 10,000 ships -per fleet-) primarily use plasma weaponry (the Geth Plasma Shotgun, Geth Plasma SMG), I am sure you can see where this is going…

    This means if the Geth had as little as 5 fleets they would have roughly 50,000 ships at their disposal. Plasma weapons at unknown yields (most likely higher on average than the Citadel basic 38 kt), the Geth could probably handle the Approach themselves. And seeing how Master Chief was able to sneak up on the Approach as it was nearing slipspace I seriously doubt Commander Shepard wouldn’t be able to do the same, and plant a continent-decimating Virmire-level nuke aboard. The HAVOK that destroyed the Approach in Midnight was 30 megatons, to put it into perspective. This may give some of the smaller ships in ME an advantage. Hell, the Normandy may be able to fit in there and tear the Approach apart from the inside-out. By my logic, the SSV Normandy > Mantle’s Approach with relative ease if implemented correctly during the battle (and this is Joker we’re talking about people…).

    The Approach would have a serious problem with the ME. Without the Approach, Halo’s fucked. I suggest we incorporate the Approach into this battle to even the playing field a bit. ME doesn’t even really need the Crucible so it’s optional. Although without the Normandy and the Geth ME is screwed and gets lolstomped. So basically we should do this assuming Control was chosen so we can Super-Shepardized Reapers along with Normandy and Geth fuckshituppers.

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