Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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6,165 Comments on "Halo Vs Mass Effect"

  1. Commander Farsight October 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm -      #6001

    Holy crap. The first FP match to hit six thousand. Admin, when Halo gets its FP award, you should do something akin to Goku vs Supes to celebrate.

  2. Watchdog Lowk October 26, 2013 at 11:19 pm -      #6002

    “Shepard is the only person (other than Shiala) known to have resisted indoctrination.”
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    Don’t think Shepard outright resisted indoctrination. He just was one of those who would’ve needed time to actually indoc. Leviathan pretty much mind raped there way into his head.
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    “Holy crap. The first FP match to hit six thousand. Admin, when Halo gets its FP award, you should do something akin to Goku vs Supes to celebrate.”
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    Don’t think this is one of those debates that should be celebrated. It’s basically packed with filler rather than full on debate. But I’m all for this being FP awarded and locked.

  3. the_man_with The_Answers October 27, 2013 at 1:41 am -      #6003

    “Don’t think Shepard outright resisted indoctrination. He just was one of those who would’ve needed time to actually indoc. Leviathan pretty much mind raped there way into his head.”
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    Leviathans are also powerful enough to kill a Reaper with mind power. Makes me wonder how they lost to the Reapers.
    -

  4. Namer October 27, 2013 at 2:31 am -      #6004

    As it stands now, Halo took the lead because they have rebuilt, and upgraded themselves to a point where they are significantly stronger than they were prior to the war. All thanks to Halo 4 which came out months AFTER that post.
    .
    Whereas ME doesn’t really have a proper incarnation because either we take Pre-Battle of Earth, which goes against the current incarnation rule, or we take it some years after the war, where they have unquantified amounts of rebuilding, unquantified amounts of industry, unquantified numbers, unquantified spread of new (Reaper) technology.
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    All the same, if this gets an FP, I’d just sigh, but be relieved. I’ve debated this for the last 13 or so pages, and I’m already tired. Nothing close to what some of you guys’re feeling, ofc.

  5. erickyboo October 27, 2013 at 2:41 am -      #6005

    I’m not tired of it! I want more.
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    Its a live feed and the camera turned away. Lots of ships.
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    The ancient forerunners from millions of years ago were hunting down precursors. Although sweetness later, flood.

  6. OberHeresy October 27, 2013 at 3:06 am -      #6006

    @Lowk
    Well, I would applaud it for being such an even match for so long. It’s probably one of the best matches on BankGambling in terms of evenness.

  7. Zazax October 27, 2013 at 7:29 am -      #6007

    “Well, I would applaud it for being such an even match for so long. It’s probably one of the best matches on BankGambling in terms of evenness.”
    Not really. First, early on, it was a Halo stomp due to that old ‘teraton MACs’ thing, and stomps don’t get awards (usually…). Then about the time of Halo 3/reach ME clearly took the lead, but every point in ME’s favour was drowned under a tide of seething fanboy rage (it… wasn’t a proud time for FP). This was the era where I actually honestly saw an argument that MC could beat Superman because his armor is green, and therefore Kryptonite (…). It should have got an award for ME back then. Now there’s been nothing new for ME for a while and Halo 4 has provided its franchise a big boost, so all that delaying has shifted things, and really at this point the only people who care about this match are a couple of people arguing for Halo, because the past 5 years have just worn on everyone else so much.
    At every point in the match’s timeline there’s been a clear victor. It’s never been very even.
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    Actually, on that note, we really need to have a Hall of Fame of sorts for the community-picked ‘Best Matches’. Most of the ‘Popular Posts’ are hideous monstrosities bloated by filler, repeated arguments, and lots of fanboys, and so aren’t good examples.

  8. Zazax October 27, 2013 at 7:35 am -      #6008

    Actually, for that Superman thing, scratch that. Wasn’t green armour, it was that the Carbine could shoot ‘Kryptonite beams’. Kryptonite Needlers were also mentioned.
    Ugh, I really need to stop looking at old Halo-related matches. It’s bad for the sanity.

  9. Namer October 27, 2013 at 12:12 pm -      #6009

    Soo…why don’t we folks supporting ME delay this longer. So Halo 5 either weakens Halo somehow or boosts them up so much that is a stomp that wouldn’t get awarded? Because the Halo side did the same to us ME-supporters back in the days of Reach as you’re saying.

  10. OberHeresy October 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm -      #6010

    Well, why don’t we do that with ever match then? I mean, heck, maybe the IoM will be more powerful later for some reason. We should have suspended the GE vs. IoM match because that!
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    Plus, I don’t see Halo getting weaker. As is, eventually the Janus Key is gonna be used. The Forerunners are returning. ME isn’t even guaranteed to continue. Might as well decide it now before it becomes a stomp.

  11. IamTaco October 27, 2013 at 12:58 pm -      #6011

    Like he said. Ever over match could also been given the delaying treatment. I wasn’t around during the time of the debate when reach came out but while ME was in the favour to win it at that time, it wasn’t a total stomp. Ghosts of onyx was also released around that time too, which gave Halo a major power boost and lots of extra debating material. That and they were mainly waiting for ME3 to decide the outcome, many believing that it would give a big boost to ME. And you saw how that went.
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    It’s going to be many many years before the well of both ME and halo content to finally dry up. I think it would be stupid to wait that long. That and I don’t see any ME game giving ME a major power boost, ME4 probably3 being a prequel. And halo 5&6 are just going to bump halo up even higher. Until this becomes a curbstomp .

  12. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 1:10 am -      #6012

    I say we shouldn’t factor in Shepard. If we do it starts to get unfair for the Halo side. He’s actually died before and all it did was piss him off. (unlike any character in Halo)

  13. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 1:11 am -      #6013

    Not to mention if any faction in Halo ended up in the ME universe for any motive other than peace Shepard would have a truce with them within 48 hours. Lol.

  14. mack006 October 28, 2013 at 2:26 am -      #6014

    He’s back everyone!!! Quick get the garlic and start waving it in front of him D:

  15. mack006 October 28, 2013 at 2:29 am -      #6015

    BATTLE FORMATIONS EVERYONE!!!!
    PREPARE YOURSELF FOR DA FURY!!!
    FOR BankGambling AND FOR HALO XD

  16. geomax October 28, 2013 at 3:03 am -      #6016

    So now Abbazorkzogs just trolling. Okay.

  17. Draco October 28, 2013 at 3:12 am -      #6017

    He’s just joking around, sheesh.

  18. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 3:21 am -      #6018

    Indeed, in a straight up fight Halo wins. Realistically (getting into the realm of fan-fiction here), the MEverse has Shepard and… yeah. He united a galaxy. Nuff said. Unless the Arbiter or the Chief like, assassinate him or something… holy shit the cogs are turning here people!

  19. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 3:23 am -      #6019

    Idea for a what if scenario: What if… Master Chief was replaced by Commander Shepard in Halo?

  20. mack006 October 28, 2013 at 3:35 am -      #6020

    An already united galaxy means nothing in a universe vs battle. Everything is automatically aligned (after all it IS a universal battle), so all that effort Sheperd put through is all for nought in BankGambling.

  21. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 3:36 am -      #6021

    “Idea for a what if scenario: What if… Master Chief was replaced by Commander Shepard in Halo?”
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    He’d paragon interrupt and all the aliens would want to get along with humanity. Renegade interrupt and force all of humanity to be fine with it. After that is over he’d use his jedi mind trick dialogue to convince the flood to stop being a dick. Then endorse the Infinity as his favorite ship in the UNSC.

  22. Kytheros October 28, 2013 at 3:59 am -      #6022

    ““Idea for a what if scenario: What if… Master Chief was replaced by Commander Shepard in Halo?”
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    He’d paragon interrupt and all the aliens would want to get along with humanity. Renegade interrupt and force all of humanity to be fine with it. After that is over he’d use his jedi mind trick dialogue to convince the flood to stop being a dick. Then endorse the Infinity as his favorite ship in the UNSC.”

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    And in Halo 2, he’d've banged Miranda Keyes.
    In Halo 4, Reyes or whoever it is that wants to destroy Cortana – Renegade Interrupted. Probably wouldn’t've banged Palmer(yet), because he would not really have had sufficient time/interaction to have gotten the opportunity. Also, the Lightbridge scene at the end where Cortana/Cortana-fragment makes herself a hardlight projection body would have been longer so they could, at minimum, make out.

  23. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 4:17 am -      #6023

    “And in Halo 2, he’d’ve banged Miranda Keyes.
    In Halo 4, Reyes or whoever it is that wants to destroy Cortana – Renegade Interrupted. Probably wouldn’t’ve banged Palmer(yet), because he would not really have had sufficient time/interaction to have gotten the opportunity. Also, the Lightbridge scene at the end where Cortana/Cortana-fragment makes herself a hardlight projection body would have been longer so they could, at minimum, make out.”
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    I had forgot about Shepard being an omnisexual with Tony Stark like game. No one resist the Shepard. Not aliens, not computer programs, not even giant robot space squids. They all what The Shepard.

  24. Kytheros October 28, 2013 at 4:53 am -      #6024

    “I had forgot about Shepard being an omnisexual with Tony Stark like game. No one resist the Shepard. Not aliens, not computer programs, not even giant robot space squids. They all what The Shepard.”
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    Lol.
    I am the Shepard. Lower your defenses and prepare to be seduced. Resistance is futile.
    /Borgmode Shepard
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    Fun fact. Head of UNSC ONI is a woman. Did Parangorski or w/e her name is turn it over to her chosen successor (a younger chick) yet?
    ME can deploy The Shepard and cripple/turn ONI. Seriously, they handed weapons to the anti-human faction of the Sangheili, and blew up some of the Arbiter’s ships to make sure that the anti-human faction escaped Arbiter’s forces and the Infinity. The Shepard will have no problems with flipping them to his side, even without Indoctrination. Also, from what I recall of the books, Laskey (Infinity’s CO) was pushed for by the Head of ONI, and the Spartan program(s), and Trevelayn (Shieldworld Onyx), all fall under ONI’s jurisdiction/control, and I don’t doubt that they’ll take the Janus Key half that the UNSC has too (until Master Chief goes rogue and/or takes it away from them).

  25. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 5:45 am -      #6025

    “Did Parangorski or w/e her name is turn it over to her chosen successor (a younger chick) yet?”
    Yup, and he’d end up banging her too. Lolol.

  26. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 7:38 am -      #6026

    “/Borgmode Shepard”
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    Technically this is 1/3 canon. Reapshepard, The sentient race of Robo Cthulhus that’s gets more action then kirk.

  27. erickyboo October 28, 2013 at 9:19 am -      #6027

    GRR what I wrote got deleted because of accidentally going to the previous page.
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    Robot Cthulus would be a compliment. Robot squid,
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    Would anyone here resist Shepard? I probably would, it my type.
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    Serin Osman is Parangosky’s successor. She’s about 47 and is 190cm tall. She was a Spartan-II but the augmentations failed. She was taken in by ONI and became Parangosky’s protégé. She fueled a civil war to keep factions from rising up. Kept things balanced. Parangosky is cold as ice, no one who ever crossed her lived, except Halsey, but she’s listed as dead. If she likes you however, she will protect you and send you cute gifts. Serin was in the succession line. If anything, she’d probably poison Shepard while he thinks he’s having a good time.
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    If Shepard replaced John then he wouldn’t be able to use certain. Forerunner technology and likely die.
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    Do people now see what I said about abber?

  28. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 28, 2013 at 10:21 am -      #6028

    “Bang Parangosky”
    Oh no.

  29. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 11:33 am -      #6029

    “#6027/snip”

    1) You’re going to need to clean up your grammar, I don’t think me or anyone else can even understand what you’re saying.
    2) However, from what I can infer, you’re taking things entirely too seriously. For,
    - a) I wasn’t even on topic.
    - b) Plot-armor would pretty much render this entire what-if scenario pointless, for the person in control of Shepard dictates what s/he can and cannot do. For example, if I wanted to, I could make up the most ludicrously overpowered back-story for my Shepard, since, well, he’s my Shepard. =P (Setting aside the obvious in-game feats.)

  30. OberHeresy October 28, 2013 at 12:09 pm -      #6030

    Halsey shoots Shepard dead when he tries to suduce her. The end.

  31. Namer October 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm -      #6031

    If Shepard replaced John then he wouldn’t be able to use certain. Forerunner technology and likely die.
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    Paragon/Renegade Interrupt.
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    If anything, she’d probably poison Shepard while he thinks he’s having a good time.
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    Shepard drinks the whole thing and calls for another glass of it. I could give feats for that if you like. No kidding.
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    Robot Cthulus would be a compliment. Robot squid,
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    I disagree. Here ‘ya go. smg.photobucket.com/user/The_Real_Kain/media/cthulhu.jpg.html
    You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.
    There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign.

  32. the_man_with The_Answers October 28, 2013 at 12:35 pm -      #6032

    “He’d paragon interrupt and all the aliens would want to get along with humanity. Renegade interrupt and force all of humanity to be fine with it. After that is over he’d use his jedi mind trick dialogue to convince the flood to stop being a dick. Then endorse the Infinity as his favorite ship in the UNSC.”
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    Too bad Shepard can only do that to people relatively on the fence in the first place, and aren’t straight zealots. Shepard, for example, couldn’t even convince a faction like Cerberous (Who he’s actually worked for, and they have relatively the same goals, i.e. not being killed by the Reapers). to side with him. Good luck against a collection of extreme religious Zealots whom Shepard is never going to have the chance of really talking to the higher leadership until he goes to kill them of course.
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    Shepard could make it far, but I doubt he’d survive the Library, The Unyielding Heirophant, The Keyship, Falling from the Keyship, “Landing” on Requiem, or fighting Prometheans.
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    It’d be funny if he made it to the Librarian and she was like “Uhhh, you’re not what I expected…”
    But, since he might not get Cortana, he may not make it past 04 anyways.

  33. Zazax October 28, 2013 at 2:52 pm -      #6033

    “Shepard, for example, couldn’t even convince a faction like Cerberous (Who he’s actually worked for, and they have relatively the same goals, i.e. not being killed by the Reapers). to side with him.”
    To be fair to The Shepard, he only really comes into speaking contact with a few members/associates of Cerberus; the crew of the TIM, Kai Leng, Miranda, Jacob, and the various crew members of the SR-2 (such as EDI, Donnelly, and Gabriella). All but the first two be convinces to join him, and the first one he’s able to talk out of Indoctrination (and into suicide, Saren-style). That’s a pretty good track record.

  34. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 3:45 pm -      #6034

    “But, since he might not get Cortana, he may not make it past 04 anyways.”

    This is assuming he doesn’t have his shore party, and all options available to him involved therein. That makes up for Cortana I’d say, and with them I think he stands a pretty good chance of beating the Halo gauntlet, although he’d more than likely lose a lot of good men in the process.

  35. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm -      #6035

    “Too bad Shepard can only do that to people relatively on the fence in the first place, and aren’t straight zealots. Shepard, for example, couldn’t even convince a faction like Cerberous (Who he’s actually worked for, and they have relatively the same goals, i.e. not being killed by the Reapers).”
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    1. Just making sure, You know I was joking right?
    2. -He got Saren, an adamant, fully indoctrinated, human racist to listen to him.
    -His cerberus crew from me2 stayed on his side.
    -Can talk a group of fanatical terrorist down.
    -Managed to stop one race that was about to and dead set on wiping out another.
    3. How many cerberus agents had he actually talked to that weren’t indoctrinated or spent time with him? The only people I can think of are his crew in ME2 and they pretty much abandoned cerberus and worked for him.
    4. My post was filled with absurd exaggeration based on the shepeffect he seem to have with other people. Though given the record Shep is still pretty mind trick like when it comes to getting people to do what Shep wants. Sometime shep just knows what to say.

  36. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 7:36 pm -      #6036

    @6035:

    These hooligans are determined at their utmost to make Mass Effect seem as insignificant, ineffective and pathetic as possible aren’t they? Shepard would kick ass in Halo, just sayin’. And he would most likely do it with more style than Chief ever did, Cortana most likely wouldn’t die, New Pheonix wouldn’t have been composed, hell, maybe he could’ve ended the Human-Covenant War early in Halo 2, swaying Regret to lay down arms and leave humanity be.

  37. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 28, 2013 at 7:50 pm -      #6037

    “ended the Human-Covenant War early in Halo 2, swaying Regret to lay down arms and leave humanity be.”
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    Which would have been after the war had raged for almost twenty years, and a few days or so before the war pretty much ended anyways.
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    Now I could maybe see it happening all the way fuck back during Contact Harvest, if he was somehow able to meet with the soon-to-be-Hierarchs, and convince them to not declare genocide against Humanity. But even then I doubt it, since the Covenant would have immediately gone on to try and annex Humanity into their ranks, and try to kill them anyways if they refused.
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    So the best idea I can find is that Shepard basically increases the Covenant by an entire species, prevents a major war that depletes enormous numbers of their populations and words, and then the ME universe has to deal with an even bigger Covenant looking to do the same to their universe.

  38. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 7:54 pm -      #6038

    “So the best idea I can find is that Shepard basically increases the Covenant by an entire species, prevents a major war that depletes enormous numbers of their populations and words, and then the ME universe has to deal with an even bigger Covenant looking to do the same to their universe.”

    You make that sound like its a bad thing, lol. Like I said, these hooligans are determined at their utmost to make Mass Effect seem as insignificant, ineffective and pathetic as possible. As far as we know, Halo has bigger ton yields, more ships, and greater superiority in space…that is all. Now watch some wanker come along and go on a rant about how Halo is superior in every way and it is impossible for Mass Effect to have any victory against Halo whatsoever. SmFh…

  39. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 28, 2013 at 8:03 pm -      #6039

    Well, given that they DO have superiority in space, this kinda muckles up everything else. Troops can’t go anywhere without ships that might be liable to annihilation. Without the orbital superiority of their fleet over a battlefield, space and atmospheric bombardments become yet another weapon against them. Without space based supply lines functioning, their whole wartime economy isplodes and they don’t do very well then either.
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    So I guess I have to counter with where DO Mass Effect’s great victories come into play?

  40. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 8:15 pm -      #6040

    “Well, given that they DO have superiority in space, this kinda muckles up everything else. Troops can’t go anywhere without ships that might be liable to annihilation. Without the orbital superiority of their fleet over a battlefield, space and atmospheric bombardments become yet another weapon against them. Without space based supply lines functioning, their whole wartime economy isplodes and they don’t do very well then either.”

    I do not disagree with this assessment, this is fairly obvious.

    “So I guess I have to counter with where DO Mass Effect’s great victories come into play?”

    Well they would by no means be ‘great’, slim at best. Why do you automatically assume I am trying to make Mass Effect seem like a big badass universe just because I am defending it?

  41. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 28, 2013 at 8:19 pm -      #6041

    Apparently I misinterpreted. In your previous comment you seemed to have the adamant perception that there was a distinct chance for some victory or another by Mass Effect.

  42. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 8:21 pm -      #6042

    Not a distinct chance but a chance nonetheless. Mainly due in part to Commander Shepard, and his uncanny ability to end wars with no more than a few sentences (Mass Effect 3, Rannoch).

  43. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 8:26 pm -      #6043

    But since we’ve come to the conclusion Halo gets the FP Award, I don’t see a problem in me stating that. Halo’s won. It is over.

  44. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm -      #6044

    Let Mass Effect have that one advantage at the very least, if not the Crucible being a possible factor as well if you are feeling lenient/merciful, Halo fans.
    Also I apologize for my outburst earlier. Was running on 2 hours of sleep and lots of paperwork.

  45. the_man_with The_Answers October 28, 2013 at 11:55 pm -      #6045

    Shepard would literally never have come within lightyears of any significant Covenant leadership until he was literally killing them at the very end of the war, if he made it that far. Not only this, but he has no background with them, they have literally no reason to listen, and they are driven by the fact that if they don’t kill humanity, eventually their entire religion and power center will collapse. Peaceful negotiation is not an option.

  46. OberHeresy October 28, 2013 at 11:59 pm -      #6046

    Its not as if the UNSC wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to have peace with the Covenant at almost any time during the war. They tried for diplomacy. Like we have stated, the war wasn’t exactly in their favor.

  47. Abbazorkzog October 29, 2013 at 3:16 am -      #6047

    @TMWTA – Why the hate-boner against Shepard? Take your victory and leave, adding insult to injury is not only immature, it is dishonorable. You literally have nothing on Shepard. He was killed once and all it did was piss him off. Has Master Chief the same rep? Not at all.

  48. OberHeresy October 29, 2013 at 7:26 am -      #6048

    @Abbazorkzog
    Correction: He was killed once, and brought back by Dues Ex Machina. Him being killed actually….killed him, you know that right? Like he had nothing to do with himself coming back, and it wouldn’t have happened but for Cerberus……..its not like he brought himself back. He had this whole organization with life-saving machines of Due Ex Machina behind him.

  49. Watchdog Lowk October 29, 2013 at 7:36 am -      #6049

    “He was killed once and all it did was piss him off.”
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    No he got killed once and was revived. He wasn’t so much pissed as he was well kind of content considering he was just dead. Maybe a little worried for what happen to his friends. He pretty much woke and went “well, that happen. Now I’m off to save the universe.”

  50. Watchdog Lowk October 29, 2013 at 7:37 am -      #6050

    Also what Ober said.

  51. Vampire Fallstar October 29, 2013 at 10:20 am -      #6051

    I belive Abbazorkzog was paraphrasing Garrus Or Wrex when he said
    “He was killed once and all it did was piss him off.”

  52. IamTaco October 29, 2013 at 11:06 am -      #6052

    Another funny thing, Halo has indeed bought someone back from the dead before. And they did it without the help of a major terrorist organization, two years with the best medical team and equipment money could buy as well as billions of credits.
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    No, they did it in a single day with a single scientist with a serve lack of medical equipment.

  53. SgCombine October 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm -      #6053

    ^
    Talking ’bout Linda right?

  54. IamTaco October 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm -      #6054

    Yeah. And to add on to this. She had multiple plasma burns on her arms and legs. Some so bad that you could see bone. She also took a plasma shot to the back of her head, which was what killed her in the end. Plus various other injuries. She had to replace her liver and kidneys. And yet even after all of this, just a day after she got off the operating table, she was combat ready. And showed it by ricocheting bullets into banshees while hanging one handed on a rope in the next battle.

  55. OberHeresy October 29, 2013 at 8:48 pm -      #6055

    I forgot about that. Not it mention they are apparently able to remake organs and stuff. Good examples Spartan IVs. They have an artificial liver or something like that, so they can work more effectively.
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    And of course cloning….

  56. Commander Farsight October 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm -      #6056

    IIRC, wasn’t ME 2-3 Shepard really just cloned from the corpse of ME1 Shepardr? I don’t think they revived him, they just built a new Shepard.
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    I could be remembering wrong. Haven’t played ME2 in ages.

  57. the_man_with The_Answers October 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm -      #6057

    “Why the hate-boner against Shepard? Take your victory and leave, adding insult to injury is not only immature, it is dishonorable. You literally have nothing on Shepard. He was killed once and all it did was piss him off. Has Master Chief the same rep? Not at all.”
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    I don’t have anything against Shepard. He literally just has no chance at even reaching Covenant leadership, let alone convincing them of anything. I’m not the one claiming that Shepard (Who has no reputation to speak of in Halo) could magically convince extreme religious zealots to stop genociding you when they have no reason to listen, no reason to care, and having to do so from lightyears away because Shepard would never get close enough unless he was actually punching one of their faces in.
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    And if you want to play your childish “Well Shepard came back to life game,” might I point out that Chief has survived, on two separate occasions, what killed Shepard. Chief is so good that he hasn’t died yet. Well clearly Shepard doesn’t have the rep that Chief has.
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    And for the record, Commander Shepard is one of my favorite characters. All I’m doing is mirroring back your illogical argument so you can look at it clearly without all of your Shepard wank on the surface of the mirror.

  58. mack006 October 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm -      #6058

    They actually made a theory video about Sheperd being a clone. Here is the video:

  59. Draco October 29, 2013 at 11:29 pm -      #6059

    Chief was lower in atmosphere than Shepard, protected by the ship, hit far softer ground…
    that’s the halo 3 beginning fall.
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    Shepard didn’t get a chance, hostile planet, died way higher in orbit due to suffocation, hit a glacier, ect…

  60. Watchdog Lowk October 30, 2013 at 12:32 am -      #6060

    “All I’m doing is mirroring back your illogical argument so you can look at it clearly without all of your Shepard wank on the surface of the mirror.”
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    “IIRC, wasn’t ME 2-3 Shepard really just cloned from the corpse of ME1 Shepardr? I don’t think they revived him, they just built a new Shepard.”
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  61. mack006 October 30, 2013 at 12:32 am -      #6061

    “So the best idea I can find is that Shepard basically increases the Covenant by an entire species, prevents a major war that depletes enormous numbers of their populations and words, and then the ME universe has to deal with an even bigger Covenant looking to do the same to their universe.”
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    That is terrible, in the Haloverse it was humanity that first came to realise that the Halo were weapons. If they become assimilated into the covenant then they would be just as blind the other aliens. Nothing will stop them from firing the rings and the Milky Way will be doomed. If my brain functions properly, I am sure it was the humans who stopped the rings from being fired. It was us who saved this galaxy.

  62. the_man_with The_Answers October 30, 2013 at 12:41 am -      #6062

    “Chief was lower in atmosphere than Shepard, protected by the ship, hit far softer ground…
    that’s the halo 3 beginning fall.”
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    Chief gets launched from a violently exploding FuD in rather high orbit from Requiem, gets smacked by a giant piece of metal, and hits Requiem’s “surface” at terminal velocity, then has more metal land on him. He then gets up like nothing happened.
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    The extra metal only somewhat shielded Chief from the heat of re-entry, it didn’t help the impact. In fact, it may have made the impact worse, seeing as the extra metal created a rather large explosion (Noted by the large crater where the chunk of metal is sitting in) that Chief was then launched from.
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    “Shepard didn’t get a chance, hostile planet, died way higher in orbit due to suffocation, hit a glacier, ect…”
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    His “body” was practically described as “mush.” He wouldn’t have survived if he hit.

  63. Watchdog Lowk October 30, 2013 at 12:45 am -      #6063

    Just noticed, Mass Effect really seems to like using cloning. Miranda, Miranda’s sister, army of Krogans(twice), Rachni, Shepard, hell there was even a plant creating clones.
    You’d think something like that would start getting more restrictions on it considering it been used twice to create an army with the intent of using them for conquest.

  64. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 12:51 am -      #6064

    Plus, it seems like the Citadel likes to ban/restrict everything and it’s mom…….kinda odd they never seem to say “NO!” to cloning……..

  65. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 1:51 am -      #6065

    “And if you want to play your childish “Well Shepard came back to life game,” might I point out that Chief has survived, on two separate occasions, what killed Shepard. Chief is so good that he hasn’t died yet. Well clearly Shepard doesn’t have the rep that Chief has.”

    “And for the record, Commander Shepard is one of my favorite characters. All I’m doing is mirroring back your illogical argument so you can look at it clearly without all of your Shepard wank on the surface of the mirror.”

    You are so unbelievably conceited and biased it is appalling. Shepard is one of your favorite characters? Irrelevant, obviously you have some sort of sexual attraction to Master Chief so strong it completely overshadows any possible preference to Shepard or logical clear-headed level-minded thinking you could possibly have. If anyone is being childish it is you, you have provided no evidence that backs up your unreasonably insincere whitewash and unreasonably merciless fanboyist stroking of Halo’s cock to the point you won’t even admit -anything- in Mass Effect can defeat -anything- in Halo, not even the central focal point of their entire universe. That seems pretty hate-bonerish to me. Maybe if you had gone, “yeah, Halo does beat Mass Effect and is superior in many ways militarily, but I don’t see why Mass Effect can’t in some cases win by way of diplomacy.” I would consider your argument legitimate. But since Halo has already won, you really can’t say anything. Commander Shepard has defeated an enemy, that is proportionally (to his universe) much greater than anything Master Chief has had to face before. Yeah sure, he’s fought a Prophet, defeated armies (of very incompetent enemies, the Covenant Army is so pathetic strategically when compared to many sci-fi universes out there), blown up an Assault Carrier, and defeated the Flood (at their weakest stage above Feral) and his little AI buddy blew up the Mantle’s Approach, but Shepard however; has ended countless millennia-long conflicts (the Geth War animosity between Quarians and Geth, Genophage-based Krogan conflicts, and last but certainly not least the Reaper Harvests), sown peace between said factions involved therein, stopped entire wars with mere words (The Rannoch War, Possible War Between Citadel and Terminus Space – multiple times, Convinced Reaperized Saren to Kill Himself) as well as exhibited god-like charisma and willpower unparalleled by anything in Halo (Directly Resisted Harbinger’s calls in Arrival via the Reaper artifact, Resisted Saren, Countless Paragon interrupts, I shouldn’t have to explain anything on this if you had actually -played- Mass Effect and ‘understood’ it) and not to mention, he’s destroyed an entire solar system…-alone-. It is not only amusing but frustrating that I have agreed with you that Halo is the greater here, conceded on almost everything, and you have stubbornly refused to agree to disagree. The basis of the debate is who would win in an open war, this is unquestionably Halo. The fact that Mass Effect attains victory in some cases on the ground, or in other more diplomatic fields, isn’t even relevant, yet you continue to stubbornly and pigheadedly assert that nothing in Halo is even so much as bothered remotely by “anything” (you literally will not even admit to Shepard being able to POSSIBLY sow diplomacy between Halo and Mass Effect, attain victory within Halo if he and his team substitutes Cortana and Master Chief, or even admit to the POSSIBILITY of a Mass Effect victory goes to display, clearly, your biased, irrational, over-emotionally compromised and flawed line of thinking, and thus, you have, in effect, discredited anything further you can possibly cough up, in response to anything I say, to me. So, yeah, keep going, keep responding to my posts with your horribly afflicted and shortcoming near-sightedness and narrow-minded drivel with your cognitive dissonance and mind closed by arrogant rigidity. One of the core foundations of being able to debate (although I’ve not seen a single debate post by you, it’s all been argumentative and meant solely to provoke) well is being able to learn to accept new data when it contradicts with what you previously believed, you have exhibited no drive and no interest whatsoever in the possibility of accepting new information that may open your mind, expand your knowledge, and change your perspective, in fact, I’ve not seen a SINGLE post by you on this entire forum demonstrating a will to do so. Your mind and your beliefs are so set in stone that every single argument you every present will always be biased and according to a preset conditioned mode of thinking, and will always be flawed, skewed, and further from the truth than someone who changes his views daily according to new and incoming information and the simple fact that life is one’s teacher and one is humbly in a constant state of learning. When you refuse to accept any further information, you refuse to further your own personal growth. I refuse to continue to debate with your stubbornly childish pissant argument promoting and encouraging such outrageous cognitive dissonance and ignorance. I truly have not seen many individuals on the internets to rival such a level of ignorance as your own. Respond. See what it gets you. Absolutely nothing, let alone any form of victory outside your own flawed, personal and distorted sense of one.

    “Chief was lower in atmosphere than Shepard, protected by the ship, hit far softer ground…
    that’s the halo 3 beginning fall.
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    Shepard didn’t get a chance, hostile planet, died way higher in orbit due to suffocation, hit a glacier, ect…”

    My point exactly. The simple fact that death itself was thwarted by the role fate played in Shepard makes him pretty much immune to any argument that says he can’t replicate many, if not all, of his achievements in the Halo universe, with Halo-level technology and equipment, with striking and amusing ease.

  66. Mr. happy October 30, 2013 at 2:51 am -      #6066

    ‘My point exactly. The simple fact that death itself was thwarted by the role fate played in Shepard makes him pretty much immune to any argument that says he can’t replicate many, if not all, of his achievements in the Halo universe, with Halo-level technology and equipment, with striking and amusing ease.’
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    No,replicating them with ME tech is more likely,he’d fail with HALO tech,maybe the MYOLNIR will kill him as he moves. Remind me, how much augmentations does Shep have?
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    A lot of it depends on luck as well. Shep would have fired the Halos not knowing what would happen since Cortana won’t be there,and does Shep have AI that can be transported on him(EDI doesn’t count)
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    As for the rest…i think i’d rather keep my eyes.

  67. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 3:08 am -      #6067

    What good does it do for you to make up hypothetical scenarios involving Commander Shepard into the Halo Universe? It’s not exactly a solid argument, the only thing it does is make any bias you may have that much more obvious.

  68. Watchdog Lowk October 30, 2013 at 3:16 am -      #6068

    “‘My point exactly. The simple fact that death itself was thwarted by the role fate played in Shepard makes him pretty much immune to any argument that says he can’t replicate many, if not all, of his achievements in the Halo universe, with Halo-level technology and equipment, with striking and amusing ease.’”
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    “No,replicating them with ME tech is more likely,he’d fail with HALO tech,maybe the MYOLNIR will kill him as he moves. Remind me, how much augmentations does Shep have?”
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    Almost unbreakable bones. Muscle weave that enhances strength and decrease potential muscle damage from exertion. Skin weave that helps reduce damage done to him. Slight regenerative capability. Enhanced speed(reflexes/rt).
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    “and does Shep have AI that can be transported on him(EDI doesn’t count)”
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    How does EDI not count? She a ship and a robot with a direct line to Shepard. She can go just about anyplace Shepard can go and doesn’t even have to be near him to help…
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    “Shep would have fired the Halos”
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    I recall a scene where they needed a human to fire it but I though that was because of who they descended from. Would Shepard whose not descended from the same be able to fire the halo?

  69. erickyboo October 30, 2013 at 3:22 am -      #6069

    Raging wall of text.
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    Guys, THE FLOOD ARE BACK THIS DECEMBER!
    youtu.be/7UqED_Yi3yA
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    Palmer kicks butt.
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    On top of Linda’s resurrection, there are other ways of keying people alive/bringing them back.
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    The Flood: One day while the Librarian was on Earth, the flood sent a human dead for some 10,000 years. The lord of admirals. They chatted and he decayed.
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    Composer: Compose a dying person, put him into monitor. One day, Chakas was on installation 07, dying, then he got composed. He became a monitor! He’s still alive after 100,000 years and even tried to kill John-117! He killed Johnson.
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    Forerunner armour. Forerunner armour preserves a person’s personality after death. Its more akin to a half-life though. The Didact’s children were put into war sphinxes.
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    Its not just about carrying a smart AI around. They take a lot of space. MJOLNIR is like this ship grade AI housing into a suit. The data chips are also special.
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    Without the Geas humans in halo have, how would Sheppard even know how to operate the hard light bridge in halo CE?
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    Spartan-IVs can breathe in methane for like an hour I think. Their hearts have something weaved in them so they can outrun a horse. heir pancreas, not livers, were the things mentioned being grown into vats. They can process toxins through their lungs.
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    I wish I had a capture card so I could record me doing Spartan ops on heroic maybe without dying solo. I could capture with tablet or phone but lower quality…

  70. Watchdog Lowk October 30, 2013 at 3:39 am -      #6070

    “On top of Linda’s resurrection, there are other ways of keying people alive/bringing them back.”
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    Keeping people alive isn’t exactly hard. They’ve got cybernetic, genetic engineering, The Citadel is or was sitting one tech that allows people to transfer they’re mind into a virtual world and able re-upload in another body,and Some guy was brain dead but remains active with the help of a VI in his brain or something like that.
    It’s just the bringing people back after they’ve expired that’s difficult.

  71. mack006 October 30, 2013 at 4:49 am -      #6071

    @The Sorrow
    This site is one of the sadness. Debating brings butthurt, butthurt brings sorrow. The winners may not see them, their texts fall blind upon our eyes. But make no mistake – the losers… are not silent

  72. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 5:11 am -      #6072

    “Almost unbreakable bones. Muscle weave that enhances strength and decrease potential muscle damage from exertion. Skin weave that helps reduce damage done to him. Slight regenerative capability. Enhanced speed(reflexes/rt).”

    “How does EDI not count? She a ship and a robot with a direct line to Shepard. She can go just about anyplace Shepard can go and doesn’t even have to be near him to help…”

    Eyup.

  73. Zazax October 30, 2013 at 5:18 am -      #6073

    “Guys, THE FLOOD ARE BACK THIS DECEMBER!”
    Oh, for fuck’s sake…
    Did 343 hire some Shounen writers or something?
    We dealt with the Flood already. They came *this* close to killing everyone. You can’t do much more with them beyond “they’re almost going to kill everyone *again*!”, which is stupid and pointless. They don’t need to come back. That’s just lazy and uncreative.
    Literally the one thing I was really hoping for was that the Flood would stay dead so the ‘verse could move on past the original trilogy. Looks like that hope’s evaporated.

  74. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 8:06 am -      #6074

    @Zazax
    I’m pretty sure it’s supposed to be a prequel, so why not? As long as they don’t come back for the main story…..

  75. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 2:03 pm -      #6075

    I’m thinking Mr. Happy was implying that EDI probably doesn’t have the same hacking capabilities that Cortana had. That’s just my guess though, considering I haven’t delved that deep into Mass Effect.
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    As for the Flood making a comeback, the only place I really wanted to see them, was in Firefight. I don’t see what’s taking them so long, they are the perfect enemy to fight waves non-stop.

  76. Zazax October 30, 2013 at 2:06 pm -      #6076

    I was under the impression it was between 3 and 4, so not quite a prequel (more like an interquel), but still after the Flood were supposedly defeated.
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    Don’t get me wrong, the Flood were one of the coolest parts of Halo, but bringing them back now, after their arc is finished, is like a bad TV show that just flat-out refuses to kill off its main villain, so the series never moves past the initial conflict.

  77. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 2:19 pm -      #6077

    So the Flood is the Joker to Halo’s Batman?

  78. Watchdog Lowk October 30, 2013 at 2:25 pm -      #6078

    Do people actually like the flood as a enemy? I can’t stand them. I mean the first few times I kind of liked what they brought, but now their scary factor(at least in game) has kind of worn off and they’re just annoying zombies from space.

  79. Zazax October 30, 2013 at 2:26 pm -      #6079

    Only not voiced by Mark Hamill.

  80. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 2:35 pm -      #6080

    Currently I think of the Flood as a perfect excuse for the Halo franchise to make their own version of Zombie mode, just like Call of Duty.
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    Only not voiced by Mark Hamill.
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  81. erickyboo October 30, 2013 at 3:13 pm -      #6081

    You do know that the flood will return? It was announced by the primordial that they will return when they are ripe sometime around current halo. The flood is not over, the precursor threat is not over. The flood’s arc is NOT finished. There are dormant precursors in the universe, Path Ketona may be dead but there are other galaxies where they could be.
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    Cortana is inside John’s suit and speeds up things in his brain and stuff.

  82. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm -      #6082

    You don’t get the point Zazax is trying to make erickyboo. At this point, they are just making excuses to further extend the Flood’s involvement, instead of branching out into new areas.

  83. erickyboo October 30, 2013 at 3:25 pm -      #6083

    Halo is kind of centered around the idea of the flood though.
    What about halo wars? There was flood there.

  84. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm -      #6084

    It really isn’t, the Flood aren’t even necessary to keep the story going. The Flood may have been apart of Halo Wars, but they weren’t the focus.

  85. Darth Expert October 30, 2013 at 3:30 pm -      #6085

    tell me if i’m wrong, but isn’t Mass Effect and Halo universes about even in everything except Spaceships?

  86. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm -      #6086

    @Darth Expert
    And production rates……and resources……and probably numbers………and tech…….
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  87. Zazax October 30, 2013 at 7:55 pm -      #6087

    “Halo is kind of centered around the idea of the flood though.”
    No, it’s centered on the UNSC vs the Covenant. It has been since the opening cinematic of the first game. The Schism was actually a point I applauded Halo 2 for, since it shook up the dynamic (and because Elites are awesome and having them as allies is the best idea the franchise has had) while still making sense.
    The central conflict has been UNSC vs Covenant in *every single game*, including ones like Halo Wars where the Flood appear, until the very end of Halo 3 (and maybe also the latter half of 4, but the Flood are gone by then). It just gets more lopsided if you include the books.
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    “What about halo wars? There was flood there.”
    A) Nobody really cares about Halo Wars. It’s the Batman & Robin of the franchise. And that’s coming from someone who played through the whole game and beat it. Nobody else I know would even touch it.
    B) Halo Wars is explicitly a prequel. It’s fine for the Flood to show up there for the same reasons it’s fine for them to show up in the Forerunner Trilogy; they’re at a point in the timeline when they were actually still around. They don’t need a reason to be there because everyone understands this.
    But for anything set after Halo 3, the Flood will require an explanation or a retcon or something to explain their existence. was there another group of Flood, sufficiently powerful to be a major threat, as the trailer implies, but for whatever reason decided sitting around picking their noses was more important than giving the Halo 2/3 Gravemind the extra little oomph he needed to win? Is it all an Idiot Plot caused by some dude, despite *everyone* knowing how dangerous the Flood can be, letting them out, and then whatever faction he belongs to completely failing to do anything about it until they reach dangerous levels (only possible by everyone involved being complete retards)?
    There’s really no way they can do it and make it seem graceful. I can almost guarantee you they’re relying on the “oh shit” factor rather than good writing.
    /grumpy rant

  88. Mr. happy October 30, 2013 at 8:46 pm -      #6088

    ‘Almost unbreakable bones. Muscle weave that enhances strength and decrease potential muscle damage from exertion. Skin weave that helps reduce damage done to him. Slight regenerative capability. Enhanced speed(reflexes/rt).’
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    Ok he has a chance,like chief.
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    ‘How does EDI not count? She a ship and a robot with a direct line to Shepard. She can go just about anyplace Shepard can go and doesn’t even have to be near him to help…’
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    She either stays in the Normandy or goes around in the Cerberus bot. So if either is not near enough or present in the control center,i don’t think she’ll be able to access it. Unless someone proves it.
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    ‘I’m thinking Mr. Happy was implying that EDI probably doesn’t have the same hacking capabilities that Cortana had. That’s just my guess though, considering I haven’t delved that deep into Mass Effect.’
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    I’m actually more uncertain whether EDI can enter the mainframe of the Halo. Since Cortana is plugged in, she has access to everything after hacking through stuff. If there is firewalls. EDI usually stays on the Normandy or in the Cerberus bot,so unsure if she can access said mainframe.
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    Which means Shep might fire the Halos since there probably isn’t anyone looking through all that info. Also i have no idea what EDI’s hacking abilities are,i only recall her dumping 12 zetabytes of explicit images in the Cerberus system.

  89. the_man_with The_Answers October 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm -      #6089

    “You are so unbelievably conceited and biased it is appalling. Shepard is one of your favorite characters? Irrelevant, obviously you have some sort of sexual attraction to Master Chief so strong it completely overshadows any possible preference to Shepard or logical clear-headed level-minded thinking you could possibly have”
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    Dude, I stalked the internet for an hour and a half to try and find somewhere I could pre-order ME3 Collectors Edition. I rarely get stressed by things, but I was getting stressed as more and more sites had it out of stock. Does that sound like someone who has no affinity for Mass Effect?
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    ” If anyone is being childish it is you, you have provided no evidence that backs up your unreasonably insincere whitewash ”
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    About the Chief stuff?
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=snufN7YTUTI
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftC46K-3rtM
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    Two terminal velocity impacts, which for a SPARTAN-II is 130 m/s. I can back that up as well with a direct quote if you so politely ask for it (Off the top of my head it is like pg 16 of Halo:First Strike, but I’ve got the quote prepared off-site, so I can bring it up if you ask).
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    “unreasonably merciless fanboyist stroking of Halo’s cock to the point you won’t even admit -anything- in Mass Effect can defeat -anything- in Halo, not even the central focal point of their entire universe.”
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    Mass Effect vehicles beat their Halo equivalents (Except for the Pelican, and perhaps Longsword, maybe the Broadsword, Scarab doesn’t really have an equivalent); On average, ME ground soldiers are better than Halo ground forces (Exceptions apply, like Halo special-special forces, think SPARTANS, are superior to their Mass Effect equivalent); Mass Effect weapons are generally better (Again, with the exceptions of some exotic weaponry). Unfortunately for Mass Effect, those don’t matter once they lose orbital supremacy.
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    “Maybe if you had gone, “yeah, Halo does beat Mass Effect and is superior in many ways militarily, but I don’t see why Mass Effect can’t in some cases win by way of diplomacy.” I would consider your argument legitimate. But since Halo has already won, you really can’t say anything.”
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    I literally quoted myself FOR YOU where I said, in this very thread, how close I thought the fight was, and how I wouldn’t mind either side winning.
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    “Commander Shepard has defeated an enemy, that is proportionally (to his universe) much greater than anything Master Chief has had to face before.”
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    What does proportionality have to do with anything? A greater threat is a greater threat. Proportionately, an ant is stronger than both Shepard and Chief. Does that mean that the ant should be regarded as stronger then them? No.
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    ” Yeah sure, he’s fought a Prophet”
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    Two actually. One was protected by dozens of Elite special forces Honor guards and high-end Covenant forces, the other protected by high-ranking Brute forces and heavily armed Covenant soldiers (Granted that was with the help of the Arbiter and the Flood)
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    “defeated armies (of very incompetent enemies, the Covenant Army is so pathetic strategically when compared to many sci-fi universes out there),”
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    When people say Chief has killed armies, that’s no exaggeration. Frequently in the novels, and even the games, he is against 100 to 1 odds (When you finish most missions, you have over 100 kills, sometimes much more, all within less than an hour, and many missions are part of the same overall battle) and often worse odds come later in the war. Chief also has to face entire armor columns on foot within those numbers. Strategically inept or not, you hardly need to be brilliant when you have over 100 times the amount of soldiers.
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    “blown up an Assault Carrier”
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    His first mission against the Covenant was blowing up a ship. He also hijacked an assault carrier, blew another one up in Halo 2, blew up grounded high charity in Halo 3, took out a Covenant ship in Halo 4, and considered it a legitimate tactic to hijack a Covenant ship when he was marooned on Requiem (When he was lacking all support and most weapon options, completely alone barring Cortana, and against multiple thousand to one odds where the enemy also has an entire fleet).
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    “and defeated the Flood (at their weakest stage above Feral)”
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    Love how you try to downplay that. Even at that stage, the Flood can overrun an entire city in less than an hour with a single Flood infested ship. To the point where immediate and total orbital plasma bombardment delivered to the surrounding area is the only way to stop them.
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    “his little AI buddy blew up the Mantle’s Approach”
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    No, Cortana helped. Chief was the one to blow it up by activating the 30MT nuke he was carrying. Also, had to fight through swarms of 1,000lbs hardlight warriors with OHOK weapons and teleportation.
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    “the Geth War animosity between Quarians and Geth”
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    The Geth already wanted peace, all he did was point out that if the Quarians attack the now sentient Geth, they’d be utterly murdered. Tough to deny. Also isn’t exactly a combat feat.
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    “Genophage-based Krogan conflicts”
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    That was primarily Mordin. Seeing as he made the cure, delivered it, and distributed it.
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    “the Reaper Harvests”
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    Only by Deus Ex.
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    “The Rannoch War, Possible War Between Citadel and Terminus Space – multiple times, Convinced Reaperized Saren to Kill Himself”
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    1. Already addressed
    2. No such thing happened. In fact, Shepard was advocating for actions that would likely have stated a war in the Terminus in ME1.
    3. He convinced Saren that he was indoctrinated. Saren realized Shepard was right (and obviously so) and ended the problem by shooting himself. It isn’t some super speachcraft feat, it’s an extremely circumstantial case.
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    “as well as exhibited god-like charisma and willpower unparalleled by anything in Halo ”
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    And I’M wanking. Yeah, ok.
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    ” he’s destroyed an entire solar system…-alone”.
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    By hitting a button to put the asteroid back on course. All equipment was set up by the research team before Shepard got there. All course vectors where already plotted. But if you want that feat, may I point out that 360,000 of the casualties from that explosion were innocent Batarian civilians. Many of which were children, loving wives, and hard working fathers that did absolutely nothing to deserve that? It may have been the only option, but you shouldn’t go around flaunting how Shepard inadvertently genocided hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
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    “The basis of the debate is who would win in an open war, this is unquestionably Halo. The fact that Mass Effect attains victory in some cases on the ground, or in other more diplomatic fields, isn’t even relevant, yet you continue to stubbornly and pigheadedly assert that nothing in Halo is even so much as bothered remotely by “anything””
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    I’ve never asserted that. I’ve only claimed the MA would be unbothered by anything Mass Effect could bring to bare.
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    “you literally will not even admit to Shepard being able to POSSIBLY sow diplomacy between Halo and Mass Effect”
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    Because he literally can’t, it’s against match rules. If you want to talk about stuff like that, take it to the “What if Mass Effect and Halo combined” thread.
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    “attain victory within Halo if he and his team substitutes Cortana and Master Chief”
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    I said he’d get as far as 04, seeing as no one in Shepard’s squad is versed in Forerunner computers, and he wouldn’t have Cortana to tell him that firing the rings would kill everyone. That’s still pretty damn far, considering that is only a few months or so from the end of the war.
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    “(although I’ve not seen a single debate post by you, it’s all been argumentative and meant solely to provoke”
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    Coming from the person who posted a wall of text containing a higher density of ad hominems and “ignorant” synonyms than most, if not all other posts on this site. Also, define a debate post, because you must have a very strange definition if you haven’t seen a “debate post” by me.
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    “over-emotionally compromised and flawed line of thinking”
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    See above
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    ” Your mind and your beliefs are so set in stone that every single argument you every present will always be biased and according to a preset conditioned mode of thinking, and will always be flawed, skewed, and further from the truth than someone who changes his views daily according to new and incoming information and the simple fact that life is one’s teacher and one is humbly in a constant state of learning. When you refuse to accept any further information, you refuse to further your own personal growth.”
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    A recent example of just how wrong you are would be the Rookie vs Hawkeye thread. I’m also constantly asking people to elaborate or explain the abilities of a character I’m unfamiliar with. I don’t need to do this for Mass Effect (Except for 2 of the books that I haven’t read), because I’ve played the entire series 6 or 7 times all the way through. If Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 had multiplayer, I probably would probably have as much time playing Mass Effect as I do Halo.
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    “My point exactly. The simple fact that death itself was thwarted by the role fate played in Shepard makes him pretty much immune to any argument that says he can’t replicate many, if not all, of his achievements in the Halo universe, with Halo-level technology and equipment, with striking and amusing ease.”
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    That’s like the No Limits Fallacy to the max.
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    “Your not joking are you?”
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    No, unfortunately he is not.
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  90. Watchdog Lowk October 30, 2013 at 9:59 pm -      #6090

    “She either stays in the Normandy or goes around in the Cerberus bot. So if either is not near enough or present in the control center,i don’t think she’ll be able to access it.”
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    One of EDI’s noted features is cyber warfare she give an example of messing with other ships in combat. She doesn’t need to be physically be near something to affect it. Like she did to the collector ship or when Cerberus tried to hack her. Shepard can establish a connection with the omnitool in the same way Chief plugs cortana in.
    Now whether she could do anything once she does get into forerunner stuff is a different matter.

  91. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm -      #6091

    “About the Chief stuff?
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=snufN7YTUTI
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftC46K-3rtM”

    I meant your bs about Master Chief being superior to Shepard in every way. Let’s see him stop a war without laying his hands on a gun, manipulate dark energy, or remotely hack any technology with the wave of his hand.

    “Mass Effect vehicles beat their Halo equivalents (Except for the Pelican, and perhaps Longsword, maybe the Broadsword, Scarab doesn’t really have an equivalent); On average, ME ground soldiers are better than Halo ground forces (Exceptions apply, like Halo special-special forces, think SPARTANS, are superior to their Mass Effect equivalent); Mass Effect weapons are generally better (Again, with the exceptions of some exotic weaponry). Unfortunately for Mass Effect, those don’t matter once they lose orbital supremacy.”

    So if something were to happen to where the factions in Halo were restricted to a ground war with Mass Effect, you admit Halo would lose?

    “I literally quoted myself FOR YOU where I said, in this very thread, how close I thought the fight was, and how I wouldn’t mind either side winning.”

    Then you admit in some cases Mass Effect does indeed win?

    “1. Already addressed”

    No.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=oES7oUpoNhc

    “We regret the deaths of the creators, but we see no alternative.”

    PARAGON [Rally the fleet.]
    RENEGADE [Warn the fleet.]

    “2. No such thing happened. In fact, Shepard was advocating for actions that would likely have stated a war in the Terminus in ME1.”

    Alright, point taken.

    “3. He convinced Saren that he was indoctrinated. Saren realized Shepard was right (and obviously so) and ended the problem by shooting himself. It isn’t some super speachcraft feat, it’s an extremely circumstantial case.”

    You’re grasping at straws here. Not only was he indoctrinated (you KNOW what this means) he had REAPER IMPLANTS and was fully and unflinchingly devout to and fully sure and doubtlessly confident in Sovereign and the Reapers before Shepard opened his mouth. Afterwards his own bullet was traveling through his turian brain. Yes, it is indeed some super spEEchcraft feat.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFIhsiqw2ac

    [Before Paragon Interrupt.]

    Saren: “I suppose I should thank you, Shepard. After Virmire, I couldn’t stop thinking about what you said. About Sovereign manipulating me. About indoctrination. The doubts began to eat away at me. Sovereign sensed my hesitation. I was implanted to strengthen my resolve. Now my doubts are gone. I believe in Sovereign completely. I understand that the Reapers need organics. Join us. And Sovereign will find a place for you, too.”

    [After Paragon.]

    Saren: “We can’t stop it! Not forever. You saw the visions. You saw what happened to the Protheans. The Reapers are too powerful.”
    Shepard: “Some part of you must still realize this is wrong. You can fight this!”
    Saren: “Maybe you’re right. Maybe there is still a chance for… unh! The imlants… Sovereign is too strong. I’m sorry, it’s too late for me.”
    Shepard: “It’s not over yet. You can still redeem yourself!”
    Saren: “Goodbye, Shepard. Thank you.”

    Shepard was the one who ‘freed’ Saren from his indoctrination. He even thanks him personally in his final word. Shepard basically did to Saren what Gravemind did to Mendicant Bias, the latter of which took decades to do so, the former of which took mere minutes. You’re downplaying this to the most insanely biased extreme.

    “And I’M wanking. Yeah, ok.”

    See above.

    “But if you want that feat, may I point out that 360,000 of the casualties from that explosion were innocent Batarian civilians. Many of which were children, loving wives, and hard working fathers that did absolutely nothing to deserve that? It may have been the only option, but you shouldn’t go around flaunting how Shepard inadvertently genocided hundreds of thousands of innocent people.”

    You’re digressing.

    “I said he’d get as far as 04, seeing as no one in Shepard’s squad is versed in Forerunner computers”

    Nobody was versed in Reaper computers at first, either. I don’t see why Forerunner computers would be a different matter. Level of technological advancement does not run parallel to complexity, in fact, sometimes it indicates quite the opposite. Shepard would at least make it to High Charity if not further, see your beloved Spacebattles if you do not believe me.

    “Because he literally can’t, it’s against match rules.”

    The OP did not state ME cannot win by way of diplomacy.

    “Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

    Who wins?”

    Halo via war (69%).
    ME via diplomacy (31%).
    Overall, Halo.

    There, ya happy?

  92. Draco October 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm -      #6092

    chief only fell two kilometers during the halo 3 fall. And he didn’t land on any metal, but skidded in the dirt. Plus chief himself didn’t take all of the impact, but the gel layer his suit had.
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    Shepard fell from extremely high orbit and was drawn to the planet by the explosion. His shields/armor took all of the hit and was still mostly intact.
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    halo 4′s fall was more impressive, but once again didn’t land on anything incredibly hard and was unconcious for an unknown amount of time. kinda like the halo 3 fall.

  93. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 10:54 pm -      #6093

    “halo 4′s fall was more impressive, but once again didn’t land on anything incredibly hard and was unconcious for an unknown amount of time. kinda like the halo 3 fall.”

    And he was hitting things on the way down, slowing his velocity.

  94. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 11:26 pm -      #6094

    “Shepard basically did to Saren what Gravemind did to Mendicant Bias, the latter of which took decades to do so, the former of which took mere minutes. You’re downplaying this to the most insanely biased extreme.”
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    Except Mendicent Bias was a AI designed to follow the Forerunners. He had to put it into partial rampancy, and then he had to out logic it. It was designed to be able to out logic him by a race that outclasses all of ME combined, and the Gravemind managed to turn it. All Shepard did was give Saren some pep talk to overcome the Reapers. I’d say Saren did more of the work, seeing as he was the one who actually overcame the Reapers indoctrination.
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    “The OP did not state ME cannot win by way of diplomacy.”
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    Except the OP never says no-one can win by diplomacy. The rules of FP are essentially that it’s an all out war, as per the bloodlusted rule. ME can’t win by dimplomacy, though even if it was allowed, I’m not sure it would even work.
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    “So if something were to happen to where the factions in Halo were restricted to a ground war with Mass Effect, you admit Halo would lose?”
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    Well, I think it’s obvious it would be at the very least difficult for them, but what does it matter? No one cares if you can win a knife fight if the whole battle is a gunfight.
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  95. TheSorrow October 30, 2013 at 11:27 pm -      #6095

    Shepard was the one who ‘freed’ Saren from his indoctrination. He even thanks him personally in his final word. Shepard basically did to Saren what Gravemind did to Mendicant Bias, the latter of which took decades to do so, the former of which took mere minutes. You’re downplaying this to the most insanely biased extreme.
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    How could you possibly compare the Forerunner’s most advanced AI to a Turian?

  96. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 11:27 pm -      #6096

    Problem with saying Shepard’s fall was better is that we don’t know how he even fell. If he fell in the wreckage of the Crucible…..well that’s not really special then is it? For all we know he was teleported to the surface of Earth.

  97. OberHeresy October 30, 2013 at 11:28 pm -      #6097

    I’m kinda seeing why people had so much fun with KingFisher now……

  98. Aelfinn October 30, 2013 at 11:37 pm -      #6098

    “but once again didn’t land on anything incredibly hard ”
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    Hitting anything at terminal velocity will kill the average man. What do you mean “incredibly hard”? It’s not like landing in sand (or dirt or whatever) isn’t going to send one’s spine through their skull.
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    “The OP did not state ME cannot win by way of diplomacy.”
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    It’s in the very site rules. Everyone fights to the death in universe fights. It’s not posted in the OP because it isn’t needed to.
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    “My point exactly. The simple fact that death itself was thwarted by the role fate played in Shepard makes him pretty much immune to any argument that says he can’t replicate many, if not all, of his achievements in the Halo universe, with Halo-level technology and equipment, with striking and amusing ease.”
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    You know, it’s comments like this that make me want to suggest Rand al’Thor vs Commander Shepherd. But I’ll hold back.

  99. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 11:41 pm -      #6099

    “Except Mendicant Bias was a AI designed to follow the Forerunners.”

    Yeah, and Saren, a non-AI, was conditioned to follow the Reapers.

    “He had to put it into partial rampancy, and then he had to out logic it.”

    Over the course of like 50 years.

    “It was designed to be able to out logic him by a race that outclasses all of ME combined”

    Wank.

    “and the Gravemind managed to turn it.”

    And it took him decades to do so.

    “All Shepard did was give Saren some pep talk to overcome the Reapers.”

    This actually strengthens my argument.

    “I’d say Saren did more of the work,”

    Wat.

    “seeing as he was the one who actually overcame the Reapers indoctrination.”

    And yet, if Shepard hadn’t pep-talked him, he would have delivered the galaxy, willingly and happily, into the Reapers’ hands/claws/tentacles/watev…

    “Well, I think it’s obvious it would be at the very least difficult for them, but what does it matter? No one cares if you can win a knife fight if the whole battle is a gunfight.”

    You mean you don’t care, and that much is obvious.

  100. Abbazorkzog October 30, 2013 at 11:43 pm -      #6100

    “It’s in the very site rules. Everyone fights to the death in universe fights. It’s not posted in the OP because it isn’t needed to.”
    Alright then. Still doesn’t mean Mass Effect has no chance whatsoever. They have Shepard. As I have pointed out, this is a very critical asset that cannot be downplayed or ignored.

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