Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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5,825 Comments on "Halo Vs Mass Effect"

  1. Abbazorkzog October 5, 2013 at 11:23 pm -      #5601

    Indeed, which is why I’m hoping for another ME installment (maybe not the main trilogy involving Shepard since that seems pretty conclusive) that lends some biggaton super-weapon to help balance the nerf delivered to the universe by the Reapers (It’s basically those assholes’ fault the ME-verse is so UP in the first place, haha.)

  2. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 12:13 am -      #5602

    So basically:
    Space War – Halo
    Ground War – Mass Effect

  3. the_man_with The_Answers October 6, 2013 at 1:19 am -      #5603

    “As someone posted earlier N7 training beats Spartan training”
    -
    Not even close. S-IIs were doing training harder than elite special forces do today, at the age of six. By the age of 12, small teams were being put up against entire companies of marines that have access to full armories, heavy vehicles, copious supplies, and who started using live ammunition. Not only were the 12 year old unaugmented S-IIs given next to nothing (A tranq-pistol with a 20m range and that’s it), they had a 100% win rate. Current Shepard, with a small squad and fully armed and armored, would have a tough time facing a company worth of opponents, let alone doing so prior to puberty. Yes N7 training is hardcore, but it in no way matches the 8 year training period of the S-IIs.
    -
    “Biotics > Constraint fields.”
    -
    Constraint fields could be used by anyone, don’t have a known cool down, and can casually lift and throw 500kg worth of super soldier with no effort exerted at all. If constraint fields were every used by mainline forces, they would trounce biotics on all accounts.
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    “Space War – Halo
    Ground War – Mass Effect”
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    Pretty much

  4. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 1:30 am -      #5604

    Agreed on all points save one:

    “Constraint fields could be used by anyone”

    Unless they’re not Forerunner, right?

    “don’t have a known cool down”

    Tela Vasir and the Collectors didn’t seem to have much of any cool down. Nor Saren.

    “and can casually lift and throw 500kg worth of super soldier with no effort exerted at all.”

    I am sure there are examples in the ME literature that show examples of this.

    “If constraint fields were every used by mainline forces, they would trounce biotics on all accounts.”

    An exaggeration. While I’m sure they have their advantages, a skilled biotic is a devastating force to be reckoned with, by even the likes of a Forerunner.

  5. Commander Cross October 6, 2013 at 1:36 am -      #5605

    Just in case, how big a gap is the Space Warfare edge in Halo’s favor, exactly?
    Is it sharp enough to be higher than the Ground War Edge ME would have on Modern Halo at this time?

  6. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 1:44 am -      #5606

    Taking into account the Geth Consensus, Thorian, Rachni, and Reapers ME’s advantage on the ground is a bit higher than Halo’s advantage in space.

  7. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 1:46 am -      #5607

    Oh, and again; Biotics and Indoctrination. Two of the most destructive weapons in ME’s arsenal.

  8. erickyboo October 6, 2013 at 2:54 am -      #5608

    John was thrown effortlessly dozens of meters by constraint fields. All warrior-servants have constraint fields. They can maintain pressure as well.

    Halo still has some nice stuff on groundside. The prometheans are a big plus. I posted stuff on Spartans and a few posts ago. Halo features some interesting troop deployment methods.
    Pelicans are also fairly agile. youtu.be/gSR6y1gixsQ?t=11m5s

  9. Mr. happy October 6, 2013 at 5:02 am -      #5609

    ‘Oh, and again; Biotics and Indoctrination. Two of the most destructive weapons in ME’s arsenal.’
    -
    Biotics are the only real danger. We discussed why the UNSC would detect and defeat indoctrination before it becomes dangerous and t takes too long.

  10. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 5:27 am -      #5610

    “Biotics are the only real danger. We discussed why the UNSC would detect and defeat indoctrination before it becomes dangerous and t takes too long.”

    You are aware it only takes a few days for indoctrination to take effect, right? By the time any of the Halo factions realized who they were fighting it’d already be too late.

  11. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 5:30 am -      #5611

    One of the Reapers’ many fortes is stealth. They kept their existence secret for thousands of years, I fail to see how a few days would present any problem for them whatsoever, if they really wanted to they could wipe them all out without even physically revealing their *existence*. Reapers may not have the high-end power calcs of the Forerunner, but worryingly, they appear to not need it.

  12. IamTaco October 6, 2013 at 7:30 am -      #5612

    ‘You are aware it only takes a few days for indoctrination to take effect, right? By the time any of the Halo factions realized who they were fighting it’d already be too late’
    -
    They would be fighting a bunch of civilians and soldiers who have no means of contacting and working together and have no real means of doing any real harm to the UNSC without being caught and locked up for the rest of their lives. I mean it’s not like the UNSC have managed to defeat actual highly trained and organized terrorist groups with access to nukes, entire colony worlds and starships before right? Oh wait….
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    ‘One of the Reapers’ many fortes is stealth. They kept their existence secret for thousands of years, I fail to see how a few days would present any problem for them whatsoever, if they really wanted to they could wipe them all out without even physically revealing their *existence*. Reapers may not have the high-end power calcs of the Forerunner, but worryingly, they appear to not need it.’
    -
    They were only hidden because they weren’t even in the milky way to begin with. Once they started to act, everyone knew of them but ME was just too stupid to acknowledge their existence.
    -
    Anyway, the reapers took 300 years to wipe out the protheans. And that’s when they manged to wipe out their central government in one fell swoop and shut off the entire relay network. The reapers massively stacked the odds in their favor and yet it still took them 300 fucking years to deliver the killing blow. Think about how long a country would last if their entire government and military chain of command got killed off entirely from the get go, every single major road and form of communication got shut down. That and the enemy invading them was massively superior and out numbered them too. That was the protheans in a nutshell and it still took them 3 centuries to get wiped out entirely and they out still somehow manged to put up massive resistance to the reapers. Compare this to the covenant who were close to wiping out the UNSC after 20 years of war and with the cole protocol protecting the locations of human colony. If they had known the location of every human colony(Like the reapers did with the protheans and the current ME races) they could have wiped out the UNSC within months.
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    That and the current ME races could hold their own against the reapers. In the final battle with the reapers sword fleet( with maximum galactic readiness) were actually driving the reapers back in some areas and were only overwhelmed by numbers. Give the current ME races a 100 years of prep time and they could have defeated the reapers conventionally with out the help of a plot device. That’s how badly the reapers suck and why they have to stack the cards so much to guarantee their win instead of going YOLO mode, waltzing in and starting killing everything if they were as powerful as you make them to be.
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    ‘Main characters surviving things they shouldn’t becuase plot has other plans for them. Sounds like PIS to me.’
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    You’re confusing it with plot shields. PIS is more like if the collectors suddenly switched to a much powerful weapon for no apparent reason when fighting shepherd even with the intention of killing him. But no, the particle beam that didn’t roast shepherd and joker alive was the same weapon as the one that gutted the ship in the beginning and was still continuing to do massive damage to the Normandy.
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    Why is everybody focusing so much on ground combat anyway. Yes, we know ME wins on the ground. Whoop de fucking do. What are biotics going to do about orbital bombardment that’s no doubt going to come when the Halo fleet manages to drive off the ME fleet and they gain the ultimate high ground advantage? Anytime halo comes upon a ME world they’re just going to nuke the major population areas and farmland and leave the remaining population to die of starvation and/or radiation poisoning. Or just destroy the nearby relay and see the fireworks.

  13. the_man_with The_Answers October 6, 2013 at 11:37 am -      #5613

    “Unless they’re not Forerunner, right?”
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    Constraint fields aren’t something limited to Forerunner physiology. It is a technology that could be utilized by anything that has had sufficient time to produce it and distribute it. I don’t think the UNSC is at that point yet though.
    -
    “Tela Vasir and the Collectors didn’t seem to have much of any cool down. Nor Saren.”
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    You’re going to have to point out the specific cases. But there is no cooldown with constraint fields.
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    “I am sure there are examples in the ME literature that show examples of this. ”
    -
    By rather powerful biotics. Constraint fields don’t need some genetic trait to use. You could give one to any random marine and they would suddenly be the equivalent (Or better) of a powerful biotic.
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    “An exaggeration. While I’m sure they have their advantages, a skilled biotic is a devastating force to be reckoned with, by even the likes of a Forerunner.”
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    Trivial use of a constraint field turned humanity’s finest warrior into a completely defenseless toy in the hands of its operator. A Forerunner with a constraint field would be more than a match for any biotic.
    -

  14. geomax October 6, 2013 at 12:22 pm -      #5614

    ” Reapers may not have the high-end power calcs of the Forerunner, but worryingly, they appear to not need it.”
    Wait. Are you claiming that Reapers could beat Forerunners? Because they couldn’t, Indoctrination wouldn’t work since combat skin has an internal AI that is constantly monitoring them and can report suspicious activity to the Ecumene.

  15. Abbazorkzog October 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm -      #5615

    Easily alleviated problem. Reapers have brainwashed AI before, as with the Geth, a Reaper virus, simple in scope, “rewrote” an entire civilization of Geth, giving rise to the “heretics”. If a Reaper were actually trying, and focusing its abilities, I am sure we’d see the ancilla shortcircuit and malfunction allowing the beast easy access to the mind of the alien. Not to mention the effects a Gravemind had on the Didact, one of the most powerful warriors of the Forerunners, clearly hardened mentally by battlefield experience.

  16. OberHeresy October 6, 2013 at 1:08 pm -      #5616

    …….yeah……
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    First, there is the whole compatibility thing. Could the Reapers and Forerunners computers even come close to being able to connect so they can have this cyberware? Second……Forerunner AI can control TRILLIONS, of ships. Forerunner ships. Of which maybe one or two could probably wipe out the Reapers. And your saying that the Reapers have a prayer at hacking these things. And of course they also have something called supressors, that kinda destroy the computer systems of enemy ships.

  17. Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 1:09 pm -      #5617

    “You’re confusing it with plot shields. PIS is more like if the collectors suddenly switched to a much powerful weapon for no apparent reason when fighting shepherd even with the intention of killing him. But no, the particle beam that didn’t roast shepherd and joker alive was the same weapon as the one that gutted the ship in the beginning and was still continuing to do massive damage to the Normandy.”
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    Ugh, why are there so many terms for “becuz plot say so”.

  18. SgCombine October 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm -      #5618

    Ugh, why are there so many terms for “becuz plot say so”.
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    I know that feel.

  19. Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 1:16 pm -      #5619

    “Reapers have brainwashed AI before, as with the Geth, a Reaper virus, simple in scope, “rewrote” an entire civilization of Geth, giving rise to the “heretics”.”
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    Pretty sure the heretics where the Geth who choose to follow the reapers. At least according to Legion.

  20. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 6, 2013 at 1:28 pm -      #5620

    Quotes on this trillions of ships bit?

  21. IamTaco October 6, 2013 at 1:49 pm -      #5621

    ‘Easily alleviated problem. Reapers have brainwashed AI before, as with the Geth, a Reaper virus, simple in scope, “rewrote” an entire civilization of Geth, giving rise to the “heretics”. If a Reaper were actually trying, and focusing its abilities, I am sure we’d see the ancilla shortcircuit and malfunction allowing the beast easy access to the mind of the alien. Not to mention the effects a Gravemind had on the Didact, one of the most powerful warriors of the Forerunners, clearly hardened mentally by battlefield experience.’
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    Total bullshit.
    -
    ‘Quotes on this trillions of ships bit?’
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    Forerunner warrior servants could with the help of their A.Is control a million attack craft by warrior. The Didact with just his organic mind alone could go head to head with the best A.I the UNSC could make. A trillion strong fleet of ships performing complex slipspace jumps so fast that they appeared to be in two places at once was watched over and controlled by a singular ship and a single forerunner warrior servant. A single contender class A.I manged to with ease bypass trillions of other forerunner A.I to gain control of the forerunner capital.

  22. SgCombine October 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm -      #5622

    @Glutinous
    I think they’re referring to this quote.
    -
    “A planetary system is mostly empty, even the greatest of worlds being lost in the
    immensity of billions of kilometers of space. Like their former human allies, the
    San’Shyuum had evolved on a water-rich world not far from a yellow star, within a
    temperate zone that allowed only a narrow range of weather. Now, however, ten
    thousand years after their defeat, the system was surrounded by trillions of
    vigilants that constantly wove in and out of space-time, sometimes so rapidly that
    they seemed to shape a solid sphere. This sphere extended to a distance of four
    hundred million kilometers from the star”

    Halo: Cryptum
    Pg. 121 (E-book)

  23. Commander Farsight October 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm -      #5623

    @Sg
    That in no way implies a single AI controlling the “vigilants”.

  24. SgCombine October 6, 2013 at 2:22 pm -      #5624

    @Farsight
    Actually those were being controlled by just one Forerunner on a Fortress Class ship, can’t remember if he had an AI or not.

  25. deathmetal3k October 6, 2013 at 4:22 pm -      #5625

    @Abbazorkzog are you new here? I haven’t seen you around. In any case the Reapers are severely outclassed by the forerunners in every way. The speed of their ships, the ships weapon along with their ground warfare is far above anything the Reapers could produce.

    Anyway if you are new then you should know that it cases of strength ME is on the bottom of the scale on this site. They really aren’t that strong in terms of warfare compared to every other sci fi galaxy out there. Sorry this is just if you’re new cause i don’t remember every seeing you around.

  26. IroxFP October 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm -      #5626

    @deathmetal Then why the f**k is this debate still going on? Also, a fictional work’s power does not necessarily reflect its quality. I know you didn’t say, or even imply that, but I hate it when people become fans of a franchise, just because it has higher yields.

  27. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm -      #5627

    ” it cases of strength ME is on the bottom of the scale on this site.”
    -
    Not really, even as far as Sci-fi goes, they aren’t.

  28. Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 5:25 pm -      #5628

    ”it cases of strength ME is on the bottom of the scale on this site.”
    -
    Thought that would be something like killzone or gears of war… Think I recall something about battlestar galactica being low tier as well.

  29. IroxFP October 6, 2013 at 5:28 pm -      #5629

    @Glutinous I second that, Firefly, Aliens, and BSG are just a few I can name that would not be very interesting to put up against ME. Although he probably means this site, cause people on here like to throw around 40K and Doctor Who like its no one’s business.

  30. Commander Cross October 6, 2013 at 5:43 pm -      #5630

    @IroxFP at #5629

    The only reason you don’t often hear Tenchi Muyo in general, let alone Gurren Lagann or Space Runaway Ideon, is essentially and generally due to the fact.
    Not to mention the latter two are the only two series that can give anything from Megas XLR an Epic showdown really.

    Halo and the Inheritance novels feel kind of alike in a way or two, I can work on elaborating if need be for another time.

  31. deathmetal3k October 6, 2013 at 5:52 pm -      #5631

    @GB im not saying theyre terrible but like against some of this sites main competitors like Star Wars and 40K they are pretty low tier. Heck Halos by far my favorite game and theyre pretty low tier themselves. Well if you exclude the forerunners.

    @IronFPI agree with you on that.

  32. IroxFP October 6, 2013 at 6:34 pm -      #5632

    @Commander Sorry for being ignorant, but I didn’t exactly understand your post. The sentence structure was kind of… confusing. Do you mind repeating it?

  33. Zazax October 6, 2013 at 6:42 pm -      #5633

    “Sorry for being ignorant, but I didn’t exactly understand your post. The sentence structure was kind of… confusing.”
    You’re not ignorant, Cross just has a unique way of talking and a habit of jumping from one topic to another faster than a lot of people can keep up. You get used to it.

  34. Commander Cross October 6, 2013 at 6:50 pm -      #5634

    @IroxFP at #5632

    At least he caught what I meant, by now.

  35. the_man_with The_Answers October 6, 2013 at 7:26 pm -      #5635

    “If a Reaper were actually trying, and focusing its abilities, I am sure we’d see the ancilla shortcircuit and malfunction”
    -
    Unlikely. A single Forerunner Ancilla is beyond any AI technology ME has.
    -
    “Not to mention the effects a Gravemind had on the Didact, one of the most powerful warriors of the Forerunners, clearly hardened mentally by battlefield experience.”
    -
    The Gravemind can telekinetically communicate with you from hundreds of light-years away, and can temporarily cause your vitals to go KIA. The Gravemind is way out of the Reaper’s league.
    -

  36. Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 7:32 pm -      #5636

    “The Gravemind can telekinetically communicate with you from hundreds of light-years away, and can temporarily cause your vitals to go KIA.”
    -
    Think the leviathans did something similar to that.

  37. Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 7:33 pm -      #5637

    Wait nevermind, it just put the guy into a coma.

  38. OberHeresy October 6, 2013 at 9:27 pm -      #5638

    I do think its funny how much Halo jumps in tiers. Current Covie/UNSC tech is probably mid-tier, somewhere around there. But then if you go to anything Forerunner, it goes into high-tier, and the only reason their not quite in the highest is because the highest tiers have stuff like time-travel, and ridiculous hax, like Gurren Lagann’s stuff.
    -
    And Precursors are just ridiculously powerful. Heck, they probably had some form of time-travel.
    -
    I’d say the Forerunners are some of my favorite “ancient civilizations” sci-fi race. They use space magic…..but I find it somewhat reasonable space magic. I kinda lose interest once time travel, and other similar forms of hax get involved.

  39. the_man_with The_Answers October 6, 2013 at 9:46 pm -      #5639

    “Think the leviathans did something similar to that.”
    -
    They have to have those orb things present for long-distance stuff like that. Gravemind does it without any assistance.

  40. IamTaco October 6, 2013 at 11:19 pm -      #5640

    So, is it pretty much decided that halo wins this?

  41. Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 11:23 pm -      #5641

    “So, is it pretty much decided that halo wins this?”
    -
    Careful, last time I recall saying that the debate started up again.

  42. Aelfinn October 6, 2013 at 11:33 pm -      #5642

    Well, if someone could lay out, using examples and the like exactly why Halo wins in space, it could give a good jumping-off point.

  43. OberHeresy October 6, 2013 at 11:40 pm -      #5643

    Well, they do have all those Onyx sentinels. I think those alone win it for them. Not sure on the rest of the stuff though.
    -
    And, if that’s in question, there is always my Janus Key argument, which is basically that if some Forerunenr structure has been shown to exist, Halo gets it, assuming it hasn’t been shown to have been destroyed, or mentioned it has, or something like that.
    -
    Why do we assume they still exist? Well, Forerunner stuff had a great habit of staying around for long periods of time, and we haven’t seen a Forerunner structure degrade and fal apart naturally so far I believe.

  44. erickyboo October 6, 2013 at 11:42 pm -      #5644

    Well the Ur-Didact isn’t dead, the Iso-Didact and Chant to green along with the rest of the forerunners were on the Lesser Ark and reseeded life. Mendicant Bias was last in the Sands of the Ark. He was buried. Offensive bias with IsoDidact. Guilty Spark was last known to be on the UNSC Rubicon. There are shield worlds left in the Milky Way, Jay-Kula seems still active, they secured try flood research facility on gamma halo.

  45. IamTaco October 6, 2013 at 11:54 pm -      #5645

    ‘Well, if someone could lay out, using examples and the like exactly why Halo wins in space, it could give a good jumping-off point.’
    -
    I’m tired and maybe I’ll do a detailed list later but here’s a short list.
    -
    Halo wins cuz they are just better at everything. FTL, industry, R&D, firepower, weapons, shields, stealth and WMDs. ME only has range and numbers on their side. Range that is going to be negated by tactical slipspace jumps and numbers that are going to drop like a rock once the Reapers start taking causalities.

  46. OberHeresy October 6, 2013 at 11:55 pm -      #5646

    Guilty Spark is still alive?

  47. deathmetal3k October 7, 2013 at 12:10 am -      #5647

    I thought Guilty Spark died?

  48. erickyboo October 7, 2013 at 12:11 am -      #5648

    Yes. He is. Chakas is alive, Lord of Admirals is likely with Guilty Spark too.

    Fun thing, I’m actually friends with the VO of guilty spark, Tim dadabo.

  49. deathmetal3k October 7, 2013 at 12:15 am -      #5649

    When was he stated alive?! How did I miss out on this! :(

  50. OberHeresy October 7, 2013 at 12:15 am -      #5650

    How did he survive? And that’s pretty cool, about the Tim Dadabo thing.

  51. Virgil October 7, 2013 at 12:19 am -      #5651

    @deathmetal3k
    -
    When was he stated alive?! How did I miss out on this! :(
    -
    Well spoilers for you all… Welcome to the world of the novels.

  52. deathmetal3k October 7, 2013 at 12:21 am -      #5652

    @Virgil but im pretty well versed in the novels. Only ones i havent read are reach, The forerunner trilogy. Wait did the new book for the Kilo Five trilogy come out yet?

  53. erickyboo October 7, 2013 at 12:22 am -      #5653

    Halo Primordium/Eleventh hour reports.

    He hijacked and hacked the UNSC Rubicon and wants to find Librarian I think. www.halopedia.org/Eleventh_Hour_reports
    Part 4.

    Oh yeah, there is this device the size of a moon that can build and destroy planets. It was sabotages but not destroyed. Called X50.

  54. Virgil October 7, 2013 at 12:24 am -      #5654

    @deathmetal3k
    -
    but im pretty well versed in the novels. Only ones i havent read are reach, The forerunner trilogy. Wait did the new book for the Kilo Five trilogy come out yet?
    -
    That’s where the answer lies. The Forerunner trilogy brought lots of stuff to light, including bringing one of my favourite characters from Halo back. The new book, ‘Moral Dictate’ or something like that isn’t due out for a little while.

  55. erickyboo October 7, 2013 at 12:31 am -      #5655

    Gek what happened to your avatar?

    Mortal Dictata comes out in January.

  56. Virgil October 7, 2013 at 12:33 am -      #5656

    @Ericyboo
    -
    Gek what happened to your avatar?
    -
    It appears to have started to glitch out on me…
    -
    How on earth do I reset it again?

  57. erickyboo October 7, 2013 at 12:35 am -      #5657

    Gravatar.com I think.

    Are we going to discuss different armour???? There is info on them…

  58. Virgil October 7, 2013 at 12:46 am -      #5658

    I think it’s working now… Or at least it should.

  59. Abbazorkzog October 7, 2013 at 11:27 am -      #5659

    Watchdog Lowk October 6, 2013 at 1:16 pm – #5619
    Pretty sure the heretics where the Geth who choose to follow the reapers. At least according to Legion.
    - Nope: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination#Geth_Programming

    deathmetal3k October 6, 2013 at 4:22 pm – #5625
    @Abbazorkzog are you new here?
    - Yep. Got tired of the intolerable, biased and emotional nonsense on Spacebattles
    I haven’t seen you around. In any case the Reapers are severely outclassed by the forerunners in every way.
    - Not every way. They generally have higher weapons yields, and only because they appeared to need them to control the Flood.
    The speed of their ships, the ships weapon along with their ground warfare is far above anything the Reapers could produce.
    - Not ground warfare. I’ve never seen Forerunners take an enemy population and turn it against itself from millions of light-years away, as an example.
    Anyway if you are new then you should know that it cases of strength ME is on the bottom of the scale on this site.
    - Then why was this debate initiated in the first place? Obviously somebody in a position of power here thinks otherwise.
    They really aren’t that strong in terms of warfare compared to every other sci fi galaxy out there.
    - Doubtful.
    the_man_with The_Answers October 6, 2013 at 11:37 am – #5613
    Constraint fields aren’t something limited to Forerunner physiology. It is a technology that could be utilized by anything that has had sufficient time to produce it and distribute it. I don’t think the UNSC is at that point yet though.
    - Despite the fact constraint fields (probably) are not limited to Forerunner physiology, I highly doubt they would be effective in the hands of a non-Forerunner, being Forerunner technology tailored to only Forerunners originally.
    You’re going to have to point out the specific cases. But there is no cooldown with constraint fields.
    - www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0eNvnQTbPQ
    - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktpb8kamN-I
    - www.youtube.com/watch?v=mycAc1RlvqE
    By rather powerful biotics. Constraint fields don’t need some genetic trait to use. You could give one to any random marine and they would suddenly be the equivalent (Or better) of a powerful biotic.

    - I seriously doubt that. (See above links)

    Trivial use of a constraint field turned humanity’s finest warrior into a completely defenseless toy in the hands of its operator. A Forerunner with a constraint field would be more than a match for any biotic.

    - We’ve also decided that Commander Shepard outclasses Master Chief in almost every way. It is unlikely the Didact’s abilities would have a similar effect on a powerful biotic such as Shepard or Samara, or even Saren. (See above links)

    Unlikely. A single Forerunner Ancilla is beyond any AI technology ME has.
    - The Geth easily outclass anything in Halo.
    The Gravemind can telekinetically communicate with you from hundreds of light-years away, and can temporarily cause your vitals to go KIA. The Gravemind is way out of the Reaper’s league.
    Nope: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qS7Bkxa-HY

  60. IamTaco October 7, 2013 at 12:41 pm -      #5660

    ‘stupid shit by Abbazorkzog’
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    Not sure if stupid or trolling. Or both. I can see why you ran away from spacebattles though. They tend not to tolerate shit like that there.
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    Anyway I think it’s best to just ignore him/

  61. deathmetal3k October 7, 2013 at 1:19 pm -      #5661

    @Abbazorkzog I understand your cause trying to hold us ME but its a plain fact here they lose. Trust me I didn’t want to think Star Wars beat Halo and I was outraged when it did. Anyway I’ve been here for a year or two maybe three. I tend to only defend debates with DBZ and Halo since those are the two universes im best versed in.

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    Now Reaper Firepower is NOWHERE near Forerunner firepower. Example.

    Earlier in this thread the Reapers were calculated at high kiloton to low megaton range in firepower ( someone correct me if im wrong ) And they’re overall firepower is only equivalent to the Covenants average and the UNSC’s best.

    Now in the Forerunner vs Galactic empire thread the GE is known to throw around gigaton firepower like no ones business hence why the trounce the UNSC or Covenant. The Forerunner are just slightly lower than them giving them a low gigaton yield I believe. A Reaper ship cannot take a gigaton blast. It would be simply obliterated.

    Now they’re forte is in they’re amazing building capabilities. In the Thread with the IMO and GE vs Forerunners and Precursors I believe it was, it was calculated that with the Forerunners capabilities it would take them five minutes to build a death star. Which means even IF the Reapers could put up a fight, the Forerunner can simply outbuild them in a war of attrition.

    Its even stated somewhere I believe that it takes only a few forerunner ships to destroy a planet? Not sure @TMWA or @iamtaco know more about that then I do.

    In any case the Reapers are severely outclassed.

    Now you saw on the ground forerunner are still beaten? Its been stated here plenty of times that the flood in they’re prime easily were FAR worse then the Reapers. Logic Plague, Super Cells, Ability to mind rape anyone from a distance, etc… The forerunner fought them in ground combat and won sometimes where as even the UNSC and Covenant couldn’t against a small outbreak on Earth. Now any more than that you need the other guys here to post calcs cause I dont know the Forerunner ground warfare to well.

    Alos it’s NEVER been stated that Shepard outclasses MC so badly. his biotics give him and advantage but his reaction time and strength are far less than Chiefs in every way.

    AND Shepard is basically ME’s finest warrior so is Halos finest Warrior is moot then he’s about average for ME soldiers, and he’s easily above average ME soldiers. So the point was against average soldiers and even bionics the constraint fields are more than a match for them.

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    Now my friend read up on the whole thread and threads like the Forerunner vs GE and/or more threads of the like. It’ll help you realize how outclassed the Reapers are to the Forerunner.

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    Now @ everyone else I think its decided Halo wins right?

  62. Watchdog Lowk October 7, 2013 at 1:20 pm -      #5662

    “Nope: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination#Geth_Programming”
    -
    That even states that the heretics willingly choose to choose to follow sov.

  63. Watchdog Lowk October 7, 2013 at 1:42 pm -      #5663

    “Alos it’s NEVER been stated that Shepard outclasses MC so badly. his biotics give him and advantage but his reaction time and strength are far less than Chiefs in every way.”
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    Shepard himself actually have increased reaction time as well. Also it was Shepard’s abilities/weaponry which helped give him an advantage, not the biotics. Though strength definitely does go to the Spartans.
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    “AND Shepard is basically ME’s finest warrior so is Halos finest Warrior is moot then he’s about average for ME soldiers, and he’s easily above average ME soldiers.”
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    Shepard would probably be an example of the finest human soldier due to being well rounded. However there are N7 that seem to be better biotics, cyborgs they can move fast enough they seem like they can teleport, and were better armor.
    And I think average ME soldier kind of changes depending on which race your talking about.

  64. deathmetal3k October 7, 2013 at 1:49 pm -      #5664

    @WL alright first point I agree on.
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    But in that sense MC is the same when it comes to being well rounded as humanities best. Remember Kelly I fast than him and Linda is a better sniper where a Kurt was even a better tactician that MC.

  65. Aelfinn October 7, 2013 at 2:47 pm -      #5665

    “Not sure if stupid or trolling. Or both. I can see why you ran away from spacebattles though. They tend not to tolerate shit like that there.”
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    Bit harsh.
    =
    From what people have said, it seems like Halo has higher weapon yields. Maybe not by a huge margin, but enough to make a difference. That’s obviously a bonus, but can anyone really lay out why Halo wins? Maybe using specific examples and the like? Like FTL speed, industry, etc, etc.

  66. the_man_with The_Answers October 7, 2013 at 3:05 pm -      #5666

    “Not ground warfare. I’ve never seen Forerunners take an enemy population and turn it against itself from millions of light-years away, as an example.”
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    War Sphinxes say hi!
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    “Then why was this debate initiated in the first place? Obviously somebody in a position of power here thinks otherwise”
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    Halo is at the bottom of the rung to (Barring Forerunners). This is actually one of the most balanced matches out there. It is just that the UNSC is getting progressively better and better, and Mass Effect has pretty much stagnated.
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    “Despite the fact constraint fields (probably) are not limited to Forerunner physiology, I highly doubt they would be effective in the hands of a non-Forerunner, being Forerunner technology tailored to only Forerunners originally.”
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    R&D to take the principles of Forerunner constraint fields and apply them to be easily usable by Human physiology. Not that Humans and Forerunners are that much different anyways. And plus, Humans have the “gift” of being able to rather easily utilize any Forerunner technology they have come into contact with thus far.
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    “First video”
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    An Asari Specter. I would qualify her as quite the powerful biotic to begin with. Doesn’t help that your video has her being beat by a completely non-biotic Infiltrator Shepard. At multiple points, she has to retreat and regroup, letting waves of mercenaries fill the gap in between.
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    “Second video”
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    Samara, another extremely powerful biotic. We also only ever see one or two powerful moves within a close time-frame, implying that even for powerful biotics doing repeated “power” moves takes considerable effort.
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    “Third video”
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    Saren let loose a few rather low-level biotic strikes. Then in his physical encounter with Shepard, he failed to use any biotic moves at all.
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    Here’s constraint fields in action:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cIFNDy2zDM
    No charge up, no travel time, no cool down. It happens about as instantaneously as possible. And with that, the Didact tossed Chief (450kg-500kg) clear across the entire room with a simple wave of the hand.
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=db8BDWGnbbw
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    Again, instantaneous. It also takes zero effort to use. This is opposed to the glowy charge up, often dodgable biotics that take effort and concentration to use.
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    “We’ve also decided that Commander Shepard outclasses Master Chief in almost every way.”
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    Chief is faster, stronger, smarter, more agile, heavier, quicker, and all around better than Shepard, barring his main gun isn’t quite as strong. Literally the only facet that Shepard has an advantage in is weaponry, and that is more a product of circumstance than it is of Shepard as an individual.
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    “It is unlikely the Didact’s abilities would have a similar effect on a powerful biotic such as Shepard or Samara, or even Saren. (See above links)”
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    Why would they preform differently? In fact, they should do better. Chief is likely as heavy as all three of them combined, and is wearing a suit that can safely protect its user from the massive deceleration caused by going from 130m/s to 0m/s in a fraction of a second. Lighter targets that are wearing armor that has far less blunt-force protection than MJOLNIR.
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    “The Geth easily outclass anything in Halo”
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    You’re hilarious. A single “Dumb” AI can effectively and functionally control an entire mega-city, interacting with millions of citizens with no lull in performance. A single Smart AI can run an entire planet’s worth of infrastructure, doing everything from providing instant tech support to whatever citizens need it to controlling every piece of automated agricultural equipment on the planet. Roland can process several hundred zettabytes of information in less than a minute, and Cortana could battle the Didact in Cyber-warfare, an individual who can single-handedly control millions of advanced combat drones. So sure, maybe the ENTIRE Geth collective might hold its own against a few Halo AI, but that’s about it. And since you said “anything” in Halo, I’d like to point out the likes of Contender-Class AI, to the likes of which can control the ENTIRE Forerunner military on their own. That is trillions upon trillions of combat craft controlled by one “individual.” In fact, you can effortlessly hack individual Geth platforms with the tap of a button, even if it is only for a limited period of time.
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    “Nope”
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    The Gravemind does that with EVERY SINGLE Flood form, all at once, from any distance. This is also never seen in anything BUT Prothean-based units, so I’m guessing it is more a feature of unique Prothean abilities than it is of Reaper ones.
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  67. Watchdog Lowk October 7, 2013 at 5:13 pm -      #5667

    “No charge up, no travel time, no cool down. It happens about as instantaneously as possible.”
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    Several of biotics requires no charge time merely a gesture. Only time someone needs to charge is to make the effect bigger. Many effects such as telekinesis has no travel time they merely pick stuff up. Cool down seem to be game mechanics. Biotics do seems to rely on the stamina of the user though.

  68. Watchdog Lowk October 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm -      #5668

    So are we finally ending this? Halo’s ever growing in power and Mass Effect probably isn’t going to be getting any additional stuff for at least a year or two.

  69. the_man_with The_Answers October 7, 2013 at 5:30 pm -      #5669

    “Several of biotics requires no charge time merely a gesture.”
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    Glowy exaggerated gestures. A lot different from gently raise hand, seize and lift 500kg. Gently flick hand, toss 500kg clear across a massive room. And when used properly (Like the Didact does), it is a “one and done” move (Had the Didact thrown someone more fragile than Chief, the impact would have killed them instantly, or critically injured them) that can be repeated over and over with no effect on stamina.

  70. Watchdog Lowk October 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm -      #5670

    “Glowy exaggerated gestures A lot different from gently raise hand, seize and lift 500kg. Gently flick hand, toss 500kg clear across a massive room. ”
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    Gently raised hand, hand flick to move the metal plates in place, hand up to grab a car
    youtu.be/49-V0ZQGpzg?t=26s
    youtu.be/zyMDklWl9T8?t=26s
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdYcGtPU0yE
    Aside from that a hand gesture is all it take to create a singularity, or attacks someone’s nervous system, or to freeze someone in place. The special effect that accompany it doesn’t really hamper the fact all it take is the gesture to trigger it.

  71. Abbazorkzog October 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm -      #5671

    “War Sphinxes say hi!”

    Like I stated in the post you quoted… *read it again. -wink-*

    “Halo is at the bottom of the rung t*wo (Barring *Precursors).”

    Check my edit.

    “This is actually one of the most balanced matches out there. It is just that the UNSC is getting progressively better and better, and Mass Effect has pretty much stagnated”

    My point exactly. Mass Effect doesn’t deserve the shit it is getting. While I definitely agree most times out of 100 Halo and the Forerunner win (this is excluding uber-powerful Precursors, which practically belong in a tier of their own with the likes of the Daleks, Time Lords, Xeelee, Q, Galactus, Culture and Combine.), Mass Effect is anything -but- a stomp in Halo’s favor, it is a narrowly won Pyrrhic victory.

    “R&D to take the principles of Forerunner constraint fields and apply them to be easily usable by Human physiology. Not that Humans and Forerunners are that much different anyways. And plus, Humans have the “gift” of being able to rather easily utilize any Forerunner technology they have come into contact with thus far.”

    Which further support my argument that not many outside of a certain group of individuals under a certain level of power could effectively use Forerunner tech without reverse-engineering it first.

    “An Asari Specter. I would qualify her as quite the powerful biotic to begin with. Doesn’t help that your video has her being beat by a completely non-biotic Infiltrator Shepard. At multiple points, she has to retreat and regroup, letting waves of mercenaries fill the gap in between.”

    See following comment.

    “Samara, another extremely powerful biotic. We also only ever see one or two powerful moves within a close time-frame, implying that even for powerful biotics doing repeated “power” moves takes considerable effort.”

    That’s not what happens at all. Have you even played ME? She performs a flawless string of biotic moves with no effort. Hell, she -meditates while *floating in a biotic field* it’s so unbelievably natural to her that it would literally not take that much effort for a natural-born biotic to master her biotic abilities. A squad of biotic asari commandos would utterly molest anything in Halo short of a War Sphinx.

    Saren let loose a few rather low-level biotic strikes. Then in his physical encounter with Shepard, he failed to use any biotic moves at all.”

    I explain later why this does nothing more than support my argument.

    “Here’s constraint fields in action:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cIFNDy2zDM
    No charge up, no travel time, no cool down. It happens about as instantaneously as possible. And with that, the Didact tossed Chief (450kg-500kg) clear across the entire room with a simple wave of the hand.”

    As I state later on in the comment, fully armored Master Chief barely weighs -half- that of a fully armored Krogan, as stated by Anderson (although it might have been Kahlee Sanders) in Mass Effect: Revelation, generally weigh around a ton.

    “Again, instantaneous. It also takes zero effort to use. This is opposed to the glowy charge up, often dodgable biotics that take effort and concentration to use.”

    And yet, The Didact is the only individual we’ve seen use it, which is totally the minimum amount of information needed to make an unquestionable, undeniable, and clearly convincing argument! /Sarcasm

    “Chief is faster, stronger, smarter, more agile, heavier, quicker, and all around better than Shepard, barring his main gun isn’t quite as strong. Literally the only facet that Shepard has an advantage in is weaponry, and that is more a product of circumstance than it is of Shepard as an individual.”

    You’re bias is beginning to show now, you’re logic is obviously skewed in favor of Halo due to a clear bias now, I know this because almost none of what you said could be considered true due to the fact that in nearly every class Shepard can be can be upgraded to outclass Master Chief in almost every way, I know this because the Omni-Tool is written neurally into the user, as is the Biotic Amp, which means this would be Shepard’s abilities as a whole, not to mention the nigh-unlimited plethora of anatomical implants and upgrades the Commander can receive over the course of the game. So no, it is Shepard who is the unquestionably and undeniably greater power. Master Chief, if attempting to go head on like he usually does, would be whipped. Hard.

    “Why would they preform differently? In fact, they should do better. Chief is likely as heavy as all three of them combined, and is wearing a suit that can safely protect its user from the massive deceleration caused by going from 130m/s to 0m/s in a fraction of a second. Lighter targets that are wearing armor that has far less blunt-force protection than MJOLNIR.”

    Master Chief weighs 995 pounds fully armored, that isn’t half as much as a fully armored krogan, stated in Mass Effect: Revelation to weigh as much as a ton (2,000 lb) give or take.

    “You’re hilarious. A single “Dumb” AI can effectively and functionally control an entire mega-city, interacting with millions of citizens with no lull in performance. A single Smart AI can run an entire planet’s worth of infrastructure, doing everything from providing instant tech support to whatever citizens need it to controlling every piece of automated agricultural equipment on the planet. Roland can process several hundred zettabytes of information in less than a minute, and Cortana could battle the Didact in Cyber-warfare, an individual who can single-handedly control millions of advanced combat drones. So sure, maybe the ENTIRE Geth collective might hold its own against a few Halo AI, but that’s about it. And since you said “anything” in Halo, I’d like to point out the likes of Contender-Class AI, to the likes of which can control the ENTIRE Forerunner military on their own. That is trillions upon trillions of combat craft controlled by one “individual.” In fact, you can effortlessly hack individual Geth platforms with the tap of a button, even if it is only for a limited period of time.”

    None of this works when talking about the Geth Consensus as a whole. Some of it potentially would if I was talking about an individual Geth, which are roughly the intelligence of a feral varren, but . . . I’m not.

    “The Gravemind does that with EVERY SINGLE Flood form, all at once, from any distance. This is also never seen in anything BUT Prothean-based units, so I’m guessing it is more a feature of unique Prothean abilities than it is of Reaper ones.”

    How does that support your argument if you are now saying they are capable of the same things? And no, as you can see with Saren in ME, Matriarch Benezia as well, Kai Leng and Illusive Man in ME 3, anything the Reapers can get their hands on is a potential thrall, the Forerunners are powerless in the realm of the mind. The Gravemind is a clear example of this.

  72. Watchdog Lowk October 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm -      #5672

    “You’re bias is beginning to show now, you’re logic is obviously skewed in favor of Halo due to a clear bias now, I know this because almost none of what you said could be considered true due to the fact that in nearly every class Shepard can be can be upgraded to outclass Master Chief in almost every way”
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    Actually he’s right except for maybe the part about quickness. Physically, Chief is mostly superior to Shepard. However Shepard enhanced rt/reflexes and tech/weaponry even things up.

  73. Aelfinn October 7, 2013 at 7:47 pm -      #5673

    So is anyone going to lay out WHY Halo wins when it comes time for the Award, or am I speaking to Khan here.
    “What is Halo better at?”
    “Everything.”

  74. DragonRebornSTOMP October 7, 2013 at 8:01 pm -      #5674

    Can we get a vote? I would like it if you just said which faction you are supporting so I can get it all straight in my head.
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    Ex: Mass Effect

  75. erickyboo October 7, 2013 at 8:27 pm -      #5675

    All warrior servants have constraint fields. A whole caste. Maybe builder security has them.

    They can also pressurize so good in space in case they’re there.

    A lot of things can take on Asari Biotics.

    Maybe you weren’t banned for nothing from spacebattles.

    Covenant speed is usually 912 light years per day, UNSC uses forerunner drives so over that.

    Production capability, hard to pin point but they built new Autumn class cruisers post war, bigger than past cruisers so, they’ve got stuff.

  76. IamTaco October 7, 2013 at 9:43 pm -      #5676

    ‘Its even stated somewhere I believe that it takes only a few forerunner ships to destroy a planet?’
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    Depends on your definition of destroying a planet. They would certainly be able to render a planet incapable of supporting life and turning into a barren wasteland but actually mass scattering a planet… I have no idea. Although forerunner do tend to mass scatter planets as minor construction projects so…. Although those few forerunner can also induce stellar collapse in a star which is much more impressive.
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    ‘Now @ everyone else I think its decided Halo wins right?’
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    Pretty much.
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    ‘Bit harsh.’
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    Can you blame me?
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    ‘From what people have said, it seems like Halo has higher weapon yields. Maybe not by a huge margin, but enough to make a difference. That’s obviously a bonus, but can anyone really lay out why Halo wins? Maybe using specific examples and the like? Like FTL speed, industry, etc, etc.’
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    Firepower wise they are quite even. Although the only heavy hitters Me has are their dreadnoughts and reaper capital ships, with a firepower of 38 kiloton and 132/454 kiloton of shot respectively. Dreadnought’s KBs are less then a hundred kilotons and the reaper’s KBs are about 152 kilotons. Every other ME ship is vastly below them having only extremely low single kiloton firepower and shields. A upgraded UNSC frigate has a low end of about a 132 kilotons for it’s shields and about a 132 kilotons per shot with a triple shot MAC like the pillar of autumn. A UNSC frigate could probably go toe to toe with either a dreadnought and a reaper. And that’s a frigate, one of the most common and weakest ship the UNSC have matching up against the two most powerful and rarest ship ME has. Dreadnoughts being extremely rare, the entire galaxy only having a hundred or so of them and with only a handful being produced per year. Reaper capital ships are quite numerous, however due to them needing millions of organics to make a single reaper, I doubt that they could ever even make a single reaper in this entire match to help them replenish their numbers.
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    FTL is Halo’s main advantage here. The UNSC FTL is extremely fast. We know nothing about it but it’s in the range of going several thousand light years in mere minutes and capable of regularly making trips tens of thousands of light years long. Even covenant FTL is much faster than ME’s, 912 light years per day compared to the 15/30 light years. Not only that but ME also has to after a day or two of going FTL discharge their drive cores into a nearby planet, a process that could take days or risk the entire ship frying up. This means that there only to be areas in the ME and halo galaxy where ME cannot even travel to and where halo can just set up shop there. And for ME to even reach the halo galaxy with their slow FTL, they must a have a relay inside halo controlled space or they will never get there. And that’s in spirit of making this match fair, so they do get a few, but halo can just track them down and destroy them and no ME ship will even manage to get within a hundred light years of any halo controlled world.
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    ME combat doctrine is also centered around the relays. The control of a relay and the system it’s in. Halo has no such restriction. They can bypass the relays and attack secure location and use combat vectors that ME won’t know about and have no way to counter. And once they face too much resistance, they can simply just slipspace out another system thousands of light years away and continue. They will be constantly running rings around ME forces.
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    And halo can destroy the relays easily, using slipspace and NOVA bombs. Relays are extremely important to the ME races, which is why the opening move in an reaper invasion is to shut down the relays. The relay network is just that too, a network. Relay A goes to relay B which goes to relay C and so on and so forth. They are all interconnected, so even destroying a handful would cripple the entire relay network. Destroying the relays would shut down the galactic economy, logistics would suffer, intergalactic travel would come to a screeching halt, fleet movement would suffer, most colony worlds would be cut off… Essentially the relays are the only thing that allows ME to exist as a intergalactic polity and without it ME would collapse instantly. Not to mention that destroying a relay would trigger a supernova that would wipe out the system that the relay was housed in. That and the ME uses the relay as their navigational system. Which that once halo captures a ME FTL ship and charts out the entire relay network, they would know of the entire location of the relay network and ME’s worlds. Then all they need to do is send ships to every single relay and blow them up with a slipspace bomb.
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    Now onto industry. ME industry power doesn’t really matter when they rely on element zero for their ships. It doesn’t matter if they can produce a hundred dreadnought a day if they don’t have enough element zero for even a single one. Those hundred dreadnoughts might as well be paperweights then. Element zero being extremely rare, expensive and difficult to mine. Halo also has the advantage of just being able to settle on any random asteroid in the middle of nowhere and and start building ships whereas for ME because of a constant need for element zero they would need a supply line for supplying element zero to a shipyard. Which means that a shipyard needs to be near a relay and makes it vulnerable to attack and destruction of it’s supply line and logistics. In terms of actual industrial power ME is quite weak, only producing a handful of dreadnoughts per year and with only about a hundred dreadnoughts in the entire galaxy. A fleet composed primarily of frigates and cruisers did not get back to full fighting strength even after 3 years of rebuilding. And the reapers, well they need million of organics just to build a singular ship so…. The UNSC on the other hand while still recovering from the war which destroyed most of their shipyards and industrial power managed to produce several new class of ships, all vastly upgraded with forerunner tech too. They also manged to produce a huge number of this new ships about 30-40 and that’s just the numbers we’ve seen so far. That and they have time dilation bubbles capable of compressing months into days which they also use to speed up produce too. And the covenant, well they also have vast industrial power. However they aren’t doing too hot now and we have no idea what they have right now.
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    Halo also has onyx. A Dyson sphere with a surface area of a 500 million earths, invulnerable and undetectable with tons of forerunner tech within.

  77. IamTaco October 7, 2013 at 9:48 pm -      #5677

    ‘So are we finally ending this? Halo’s ever growing in power and Mass Effect probably isn’t going to be getting any additional stuff for at least a year or two.’
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    Agreed.
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    ‘So is anyone going to lay out WHY Halo wins when it comes time for the Award, or am I speaking to Khan here.’
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    Satisfied?

  78. OberHeresy October 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm -      #5678

    Halo for the BankGambling Award then.
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    And also just to add in, the Janus Key adds even more Forerunner tech possibly.

  79. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 7, 2013 at 10:49 pm -      #5679

    You know what…The Element Zero dependence factor actually convinces me. This is a huge, crippling intrinsic weakness for the Mass Effect side. Shaw-Fujikawa drives are expensive, but apparently don’t require anything especially critically rare, given that a generally cut off and isolated colony of rebels living inside hollowed asteroids mainly supplied by a dwindling number of smugglers were able to obtain and produce a fairly significant number of them.
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    I still don’t accept the whole Janus Key bit as feasible debate material, and won’t until they actually show us what there is. But, what the UNSC has managed to scrape together has made a pretty decent bit of firepower.
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    It’s really the Eezo dependency that stands out in my mind, and because of that I’m willing to venture that the UNSC and what’s left of the Covenant will be able to take this. It’s probably quite the long battle, but final factors make me side with Halo grinding out a win.

  80. Aelfinn October 7, 2013 at 11:51 pm -      #5680

    “Satisfied?”
    -
    Now I am. Thank you.
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    “I still don’t accept the whole Janus Key bit as feasible debate material, and won’t until they actually show us what there is.”
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    Agreed.
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    Halo for the BankGambling Award, then.

  81. DragonRebornSTOMP October 8, 2013 at 12:07 am -      #5681

    Wow, I actually joined this fight at a part that wasn’t fantards spouting bullshit.
    +1 for Halo then.
    Forerunners + UNSC + Covenant + Flood + Shaw-Fujikawa drive > Reapers + Geth + Asari + Alliance + Krogan + Salarians + Turians + Rachni + Eezo cores then? I can handle that.

  82. Commander Cross October 8, 2013 at 12:34 am -      #5682

    @DRS at #5681

    Are you talking The Forerunners at their Prime, to be sure?

  83. brosky October 8, 2013 at 12:38 am -      #5683

    Mass effect fought hard. oh well. halo wins award?

  84. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 12:45 am -      #5684

    Well no it is a tie because Mass Effect takes ground.

  85. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 12:51 am -      #5685

    Halo may win in a space battle, but if the Halo side had no way of fighting from space and had to invade an ME planet with nothing but ground troops, not even aircraft, they would lose/be repelled.

  86. Commander Cross October 8, 2013 at 12:52 am -      #5686

    I think the Batarians and the Hanar are being left out, and something tells me that Thane’s race wasn’t covered at all, either.

  87. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 12:56 am -      #5687

    “Wow, I actually joined this fight at a part that wasn’t fantards spouting bullshit.
    +1 for Halo then.”

    Um, what the FUCK? -Points to IamTaco’s post full of fantard bullshit.- (I mean just look at his fucking avatar! What the fucking fuck!?)

  88. Aelfinn October 8, 2013 at 12:56 am -      #5688

    “Well no it is a tie because Mass Effect takes ground.”
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    Unless the match suggester, Admin, or a Mod said the fight was split into two different aspects, then it wouldn’t be here. We don’t separate the two in such a manner. In an all-out universe fight, the ones who control space are going to win. Considering if worst comes to worst, they are the ones able to perform orbital bombardments and the ones without space travel cannot. We do not have “ties” in the manner you are suggesting for this reason.

  89. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 12:58 am -      #5689

    “I think the Batarians and the Hanar are being left out, and something tells me that Thane’s race wasn’t covered at all, either.”

    Not to mention the entire Geth Consensus which alone is more powerful than anything the Forerunners can cough up, the Thorian which > Gravemind (especially in terms of ground combat), and the Leviathans, which were also capable of Keymind-level feats. It’s a tie.

  90. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 1:01 am -      #5690

    “Unless the match suggester, Admin, or a Mod said the fight was split into two different aspects, then it wouldn’t be here. We don’t separate the two in such a manner. In an all-out universe fight, the ones who control space are going to win. Considering if worst comes to worst, they are the ones able to perform orbital bombardments and the ones without space travel cannot. We do not have “ties” in the manner you are suggesting for this reason.”

    Mmmkay, but still, Mass Effect > Halo on the ground. I’ll also have anyone here that should try to pull the fantard card on me know that I am a die-hard Halo fan, and I am defending the notion that it isn’t just another cartoonish biggatonner with cheap power throes.

  91. Aelfinn October 8, 2013 at 1:03 am -      #5691

    “-Points to IamTaco’s post full of fantard bullshit.- ”
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    Then counter his claims. However, considering what I know of Mass Effect and Halo and the little I’ve followed this match, it all made sense.
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    “(I mean just look at his fucking avatar! What the fucking fuck!?)”
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    Many of us have avatars of favorite franchises, myself included. That does not mean we are dismissed out of hand for it, as long as the content of the posts remain logical and valid.

  92. Commander Cross October 8, 2013 at 1:06 am -      #5692

    @Councilor at #5691

    In general, there’s even less reason in good taste to dismiss others just because of their avatars, as that was so 2012, we’re on 2013 now and we’re supposed to be better than this.

  93. Aelfinn October 8, 2013 at 1:06 am -      #5693

    ” I am defending the notion that it isn’t just another cartoonish biggatonner with cheap power throes.”
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    I don’t feel like that is being called here. I mean, look at IamTaco’s statement here: “Firepower wise they are quite even.” That doesn’t seem to be wanking or biggatonning to me.

  94. deathmetal3k October 8, 2013 at 1:08 am -      #5694

    Abbazorkzog Ok firstly calling Iamtaco posts full of fantod bullshit ain’t anyway to gain respect here. As it is you seem to be the fanboy of ME and not Halo. Im a Halo fanboy and I know when Halo is outclassed. Hell ive even admitted it.

    Also his points are valid if you would just go back and read the thread instead of coming in here thinking these points havent been addressed when they have!

    The Geth are not as storng as a forerunner AI! can the Geth a single one of them control Trillions of ships on its own? No. Can they run planets and Shield worlds on theyre own? No.

    The Gravemind could mind rape the Leviathans for shits and giggles dude. Firstly he can infect AI simply through the logic plague not even having to physically touch them, and its been proven a Forerunner’s AI is vastly superior to the Geth. Secondly the Gravemind as someone already stated can kill a person with just his thoughts, the Leviathans can’t. They can only influence not directly control.

    Will you please read this threat before stating all this that has already been dealt with.

    -

    Anyway…. yes Halo for the FP award

  95. deathmetal3k October 8, 2013 at 1:10 am -      #5695

    Sorry Im tired and cranky from today. Don’t mean to come off as a prick.

  96. Commander Cross October 8, 2013 at 1:13 am -      #5696

    @Deathmetal3k at #5695

    Ehh, not to condone the post at #5694, so much as to note the fact we all have our cranky days.
    Going in on a long debate that flows better than Wheel of Time vs Sword of Truth and even outdoes the Cartoon Network Civil War and Star Trek vs Star Wars doesn’t necessarily need to cause one of them.*

    1.) (Take it from me, even I have my cranky days, see Excalibur vs Riptide for more details!)

  97. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 1:22 am -      #5697

    “Ok firstly calling Iamtaco posts full of fantod bullshit ain’t anyway to gain respect here.”

    Getting outright called troll/idiot/you were banned from spacebattles for good reason/etc aren’t exactly getting off to a good start with me either, and as stated, you all took the first blow, I’ve been being fairly civil until now.

    “As it is you seem to be the fanboy of ME and not Halo.”

    -Points to his post before this one.-
    >:(

    “Im a Halo fanboy”

    You’ve already discredited everything you’ve said then.

    “Hell ive even admitted it.”

    K.

    “Also his points are valid if you would just go back and read the thread instead of coming in here thinking these points havent been addressed when they have!”

    Read my response to the_Man_with_The_Answers (ironically enough)

    “The Geth are not as storng as a forerunner AI! can the Geth a single one of them control Trillions of ships on its own? No.”

    They weren’t even ships, they were sentinel vessels.

    “Can they run planets and Shield worlds on theyre own? No.”

    We don’t even know if there aren’t shield worlds in Mass Effect, and yes they can. Re-read Mass Effect Ascension. The Geth Consensus powered every world they colonized.

    “The Gravemind could mind rape the Leviathans for shits and giggles dude.”

    The Leviathans have killed people via sheer thought alone.

    “Firstly he can infect AI simply through the logic plague not even having to physically touch them,”

    Which is exactly what Sovereign did.

    “and its been proven a Forerunner’s AI is vastly superior to the Geth.”

    No it has not, every single post on here saying Forerunner anything is superior to Geth/Reapers tech has been pure opinion and has not been backed up at all. Hell, IamTaco’s quote about Relays being powerful enough to destroy a star-system support mine, if any argument. Retrofit them to fire weapons, and you’ve got a foe-level power weapon capable of system-busting. If the Reapers can engineer them, you bet yer ass they can fit them with a firing capability.

    “Secondly the Gravemind as someone already stated can kill a person with just his thoughts, the Leviathans can’t. They can only influence not directly control.”

    -___-

    Wrong: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan#Biology The contrary is stated in, literally, the very last sentence of the last paragraph.

    “Anyway…. yes Halo for the FP award”
    No.

  98. Abbazorkzog October 8, 2013 at 1:24 am -      #5698

    *second paragraph

  99. Glutinous-Bicarbonate October 8, 2013 at 1:40 am -      #5699

    How many planets did the Geth control at their prime? Quite a bit less than the Forerunner Ecumene (that is what it’s called, right?) I should imagine.
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    Secondly, the Forerunners employed fairly casual continent+ ship firepower, and I’ve seen mention of starbust capabilities.
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    Without the Reaper code augmenting them, the Geth over Rannoch were in real danger of being overtaken by the Quarians, who may have had one of the least impressive fleets of any race.
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    I am not fully convinced that Trillions of ships is truth, but when Mendicant Bias went rogue, his attack on the Maginot Line carried many thousands of ships; Greg Bear’s trilogy may have bumped that up to Hundreds of thousands. Of warships.
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    Onyx and it’s Sentinels would be a massive threat to everything in Mass Effect. Being that it could produce Dozens of Sentinels per hour, and had an uncountably enormous quantity ready to use, and that groups of approx fifty do serious damage to Covenant Starships. But I dunno if that would be here, since the factory was destroyed.
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    The Forerunner’s internet (that Domain thing) probably handled more data than the entirety of the Geth.

  100. deathmetal3k October 8, 2013 at 1:42 am -      #5700

    @CommanderCross yeah dude it’s been one of those days. I don’t try to be rude ever but I’m getting kind of annoyed.

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    Ok we’re saying that because yours points are no longer valid as they’ve been dealt with. I’m not talking about reading this last page or the page before… Read the ENTIRE THREAD. I have I’ve been here since like comments 300 . I think it was then I joined? Can’t remember but I do know I’ve been here long enough to your points are null.

    Furthermore wikis aren’t used as sources here as anyone can edit them to they’re liking. Post valid sources.

    Also you have yet to fully show calls or anything that disproves Iamtacos or TMWA’s statements. You call them out on something but don’t back it up. I at least reference you to where the info can be found hence why no one has called me out.

    I’m not a fanboy who goes “LolZ guys hallo has like mast3r Chi3f and stuff so they wins cause he’s cools and the grab in dis evil” yeah no.

    I’m not nearly that bad and if I can’t backup my claims I reference you to someone who can and I always state I’m not sure if it’s true when I don’t know if I’m right. Again there’s a reason I’m not being called a fanboy by the more experienced debaters

    Controlling a colonized planet and a planet literally made of machines and technology that is dozens of times bigger than Earth and has a SINGLE AI controlling it effortlessly is a far bigger feat than the Whole Geth controlling just their colonized planets.. It’s the equivalent of saying One Geth can control
    His entire planet. They can’t.

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