Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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  1. the_man_with The_Answers September 18, 2013 at 10:33 am -      #5501

    “Unless TMWTA has anything disproving that?”
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    The fact that all the forces within 50 miles of that crater weren’t killed in the ensuing blast that would accompany a 500MT-4GT impact. Also, the crater, I believe, was a lot larger than 7 miles. Which, of course, makes it even more silly. I’m not even sure what would require that much overkill, especially considering they weren’t trying to holocaust the planet (Yet).

  2. Namer September 18, 2013 at 12:11 pm -      #5502

    Soo… the crater was a lot larger than 7 miles, which still means gigatons, yet there was no resultant shockwave or anything that killed forces within the 50 miles radius? Sounds oxymoronic.
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    Unless… there’s a flaw in my reasoning. The composition of Sangheilos’s crust is different, and the density of the ground in that area was far lower than of Earth. Then, yeah, it might allow a several mile-wide crater with your 50MTs.

  3. the_man_with The_Answers September 18, 2013 at 3:32 pm -      #5503

    “Soo… the crater was a lot larger than 7 miles, which still means gigatons, yet there was no resultant shockwave or anything that killed forces within the 50 miles radius? Sounds oxymoronic.”
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    No kidding.
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    “Unless… there’s a flaw in my reasoning. The composition of Sangheilos’s crust is different, and the density of the ground in that area was far lower than of Earth. Then, yeah, it might allow a several mile-wide crater with your 50MTs.”
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    There’s no flaw in your reasoning. It’s a flaw in the description. You have two contradictory pieces of semi-quantifiable information in a quote. One piece says massive crater spanning miles, pretty much creating a whole new coast line. This implies gigatons (Which, unfortunately for me, sides on the side of the SMAC projectile mass and velocity, almost exactly as well, making it even harder to argue against). On the other hand, you have ground forces no more than what would seem like 100km away, many even closer than that, but are nearly completely unaffected. A 50MT nuke can still shatter windows 900km away, and creates roughly an 8 magnitude earthquake at and around “ground-zero.” Not to mention 50GT is like UBER overkill for what they were targeting.

  4. Tyran September 18, 2013 at 3:52 pm -      #5504

    “I mean, you can add multiple nuclear warheads to amplify their effects in some way, because they’re fission and work by chain reactions, but you can’t really do that with fusion reactors effectively. More likely, the UNSC uses singular huge reactors to power ODPs that would be too bulky to put on a ship. And, I’m pretty sure Tyran said that jokingly.”
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    From what little I know about nuclear weapons, putting 9 megaton warheads together doesn’t make a petaton bomb.

  5. Kytheros September 18, 2013 at 3:55 pm -      #5505

    Maybe the crater’s size can be partially explained by attributing much of it to the collapse of a whole lot of subsurface tunnels/caverns/voids/etc – in other words, by saying that the Infinity’s shot effectively triggered the formation of a massive sinkhole.
    I’d have to check, but I don’t think that theory would contradict anything in the book.

  6. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 18, 2013 at 4:29 pm -      #5506

    @Tyran
    I believe Admiral__(Cole, was it?) attempted to hand wave the situation by saying the superduperite shell the nukes were cased in compressed the blast for a moment, massively increasing the yield somehow.

  7. SgCombine September 18, 2013 at 5:46 pm -      #5507

    ^
    Nah, Cole was the one that made a gas giant go supernova with a hundred nukes. I think it was Whitecomb that hand waved the Nova bomb as having an uber shell.

  8. the_man_with The_Answers September 18, 2013 at 9:49 pm -      #5508

    “Maybe the crater’s size can be partially explained by attributing much of it to the collapse of a whole lot of subsurface tunnels/caverns/voids/etc – in other words, by saying that the Infinity’s shot effectively triggered the formation of a massive sinkhole.
    I’d have to check, but I don’t think that theory would contradict anything in the book.”
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    That’s actually quite a good explanation!
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    “Whitecomb that hand waved the Nova bomb as having an uber shell.”
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    Yeah, something lke “These 9 nukes go off blah blah blah special casing blah blah blah causes neutron star density blah blah blah kiss your ass goodbye Covies!”

  9. the_man_with The_Answers September 18, 2013 at 10:14 pm -      #5509

    Holy shit the Mantle’s Approach is HUGE
    i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y427/ProneB47/50d75a46-3d98-4024-bd29-06a8d5c2f706_zpsee83f887.jpg
    Like, “My personal ship is pretty much the size of High-Charity” huge. And it’s basic AA guns were slaughtering the Earth Defense fleet, seeing as it didn’t even use its Primary through Quarternary weapons. Mass Effect is lucky that ship is blown up!
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    Not to mention it says that ship isn’t even the biggest of Forerunner vessels.
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  10. OriginalA September 18, 2013 at 10:56 pm -      #5510

    By “pretty much the size of high charity” you of course mean less than half the size of high charity. … because while the Mantle is 3/4ths as long, Charity is still double the width… and the depth as well. But, yes, it is large.

  11. the_man_with The_Answers September 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm -      #5511

    “By “pretty much the size of high charity” you of course mean less than half the size of high charity. … because while the Mantle is 3/4ths as long, Charity is still double the width… and the depth as well. But, yes, it is large.”
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    Ok ok, I exaggerated a bit.

  12. Kytheros September 19, 2013 at 12:00 am -      #5512

    Can anybody find me the location on the crater size quote? I’m having trouble finding it.
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    As far as the Nova bomb blast size/power goes … it’s clearly a multi-stage explosion, ala a fission-fusion warhead. My guess is that instead of the nine ‘regular’ nukes generating the Nova-blast themselves, they serve the purpose of triggering whatever generates the Nova-blast.
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    As a sidenote, in rechecking Thursday War, I realized that ONI’s even dumber (though that may not be the right term) than previously thought – they agree to give Telcam translations of Forerunner relics* that Telcam didn’t know how to translate – and I’m not sure they give the rest of the UNSC those translations either. Telcam being one of the heads of the anti-Arbiter/anti-Human/pro-old-Covenant faction(s). They also pull his ass out of the fire when Hood has the Infinity raining down weaponsfire on Telcam’s forces.
    *Technically Forerunner script that was on walls in a Forerunner place on Sangheilios.

  13. the_man_with The_Answers September 19, 2013 at 12:34 am -      #5513

    “Can anybody find me the location on the crater size quote?”
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    During the battle for Thel’s keep. Been a while since I’ve seen it myself. I think it was a 40km crater.

  14. Namer September 19, 2013 at 4:34 am -      #5514

    “Maybe the crater’s size can be partially explained by attributing much of it to the collapse of a whole lot of subsurface tunnels/caverns/voids/etc – in other words, by saying that the Infinity’s shot effectively triggered the formation of a massive sinkhole.
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    Agreed.
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    TMWTA, anything about for ME’s weapon yields? Or are they low enough for you?

  15. the_man_with The_Answers September 19, 2013 at 9:14 am -      #5515

    Personally, my favorite ME calcs are:
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-numbers-mass-effect-what-do-the-ing-numbers-mean.241783/

  16. IamTaco September 19, 2013 at 9:19 am -      #5516

    ’1. Wasn’t even talking about this.
    2. Collectors aren’t even that much of a space force anymore.
    3. This gives up insight to how much power cruisers have which help us know how powerful thanix cannons have since they are stated to match crusier level.’
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    ‘Its an animated version of a collector ship main weapon which is what normandy got hit by. James looked different in the stlye so did krogan but that what they were.’
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    My point was that it could have been a different weapon from the one used on the Normandy at the start of ME2. Or it could be the same one but requires a longer charge time and thus isn’t used for ship to ship combat. This is because the weapon used by the collectors to wipe out the colony is vastly more powerful than the one used on the Normandy. We can see this in the fact that the particle weapon didn’t vaporize the Normandy in a single shot and didn’t instantly roast Shepherd and Joker. This is also consistent as we see other frigates and cruisers without their kbs that is, die to quite low sub-kiloton firepower.
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    ‘Yeah, but we got a description of a SMAC generator being defended/attacked during the Fall of Reach. I know the UNSC is stupid, but they only had about a company of marines defending it, and the description doesn’t suggest a huge ass building/complex, although I suppose it’s possible, even reasonable (although this is the UNSC, so…), that the majority of the facility was below ground.’
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    One of the reasons why they build the fusion generator powering planetside was that it was too big and bulky to put in orbit. And the UNSC do have a fairly good record of building stuff underground so I don’t see why you’re complaining so much.
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    ‘“Maybe the crater’s size can be partially explained by attributing much of it to the collapse of a whole lot of subsurface tunnels/caverns/voids/etc – in other words, by saying that the Infinity’s shot effectively triggered the formation of a massive sinkhole.’
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    Nope. In that case then the impact site would look like a massive sinkhole when the book describes it as a impact crater gouged out of the ground via the sheer force of the MAC round. Like a ‘comet impact’ is what I believe the Thursday war described it as.
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    ‘During the battle for Thel’s keep. Been a while since I’ve seen it myself. I think it was a 40km crater.’
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    It was nowhere near that deep or wide.
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    Anyway some interesting new info form the visual guide. Will update tmr or so.

  17. Namer September 20, 2013 at 6:10 am -      #5517

    “Personally, my favorite ME calcs are:
    forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-numbers-mass-effect-what-do-the-ing-numbers-mean.241783/”
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    Except, his base info is wrong on a few points. Mass Accelerators run 90% of the length in a dreadnought. Possibly less on a Cruiser, I could agree with. Frigates, I’ve heard go between 100-200m, Cruisers , 350-450. Also, his calc for the Cruisers is wrong. I’m not sure what exactly he did, but with the KE=1/2*M*V^2, using his numbers (which do match up with mine) I get 5.4 kT. Reapers are 2km. But on most, he’s sound.
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    This is because the weapon used by the collectors to wipe out the colony is vastly more powerful than the one used on the Normandy. We can see this in the fact that the particle weapon didn’t vaporize the Normandy in a single shot and didn’t instantly roast Shepard and Joker.
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    The Collectors wanted to kill a single frigate that had been taken completely by surprise. And that scene had fucktons of PIS.
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    Nope. In that case then the impact site would look like a massive sinkhole when the book describes it as a impact crater gouged out of the ground via the sheer force of the MAC round. Like a ‘comet impact’ is what I believe the Thursday war described it as.
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    What was the ground like? It could’ve been some kind of talc or limestone. Alternatively, the presence of tunnels and cavern would’ve lowered the density very much.

  18. Tyran September 20, 2013 at 8:06 am -      #5518

    Shangelios has a gravity of 1.375 g, I don’t know if it affects something.

  19. IamTaco September 20, 2013 at 9:25 am -      #5519

    Well, the new info from the guide is out and here the interesting parts. The UNSC navy is now the one in the massive advantage in space instead of the covenant. This also tells us that the entire fleet in massively upgraded with forerunner tech and with the pillar of Autumn’s upgrades(triple shot MAC FTW).
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    We get two confirmed class of ships for the UNSC. The strident and autumn class. The strident class in a new class of frigate armed with a mark 4 heavy MAC and the Hyperion nuclear delivery system. Both of which are stated to be able of easily downing a covenant capital ship. In comparison the Charon class frigate for which we get the 64kt firepower figure has a mark 2 light MAC. So probably a massive increase in MAC firepower maybe being able to one shot covenant ship’s shields instead of the 2/3 shots it took before. The Hyperion nuclear delivery system is also probably in the high megaton range too. And that’s just the new frigates. Then we come to the autumn class heavy cruisers. Which are just heavily upgraded halcyon class cruisers. They feature a mark 9 heavy MAC. Make of that what you will. They also have shields capable of tanking at least a single plasma torpedo. And then there the three other undefined new ships seen in the final level of Halo 4.
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    And that’s it for the UNSC ships.
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    For the covenant well they get a substantial increase in numbers. In the last esp of spartan ops, we see what looked like a couple dozen capital class ship escape Requiem and in the visual guide it’s revealed that many of their ships got destroyed by the infinity and her wolf pack. Which puts the total number of capital ships the storm covenant own in the hundred range at least. And the storm are easily the weakest faction right now with the smallest fleet and forces. And yet they still somehow managed to muster up a hundred+ fleet of capital ships.
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    Something to note, the infinity and her wolf pack of 10 frigates took on the entire storm fleet by themselves. So 11 ships vs a fleet of hundreds and they still managed to destroy the majority of the fleet and didn’t get a single causality. So that means that a friagte’s shields can tank multiple plasma torpedo shots and maybe even an energy projector.

  20. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 7:28 am -      #5520

    Mass Effect has a better ground game, but Halo has ME beats in the skies. The ships in Halo are more advanced and don’t need a Mass Relay to go into hyperspace like the shits in ME do.

  21. mack006 September 22, 2013 at 7:52 am -      #5521

    @rezzforme
    Not sure if troll or actual debater…

  22. Namer September 22, 2013 at 7:56 am -      #5522

    Um, right, yeah. Taco, got any numbers for the new ships? Also, the Infinity could’ve just sat in the front and tanked the Storm Fleet’s attacks, while destroying multiple ships with her quad-SMACs at a time.
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    The ships in Halo are more advanced and don’t need a Mass Relay to go into hyperspace like the shits in ME do.
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    And your ignorance shows. There’s no Hyperspace in ME or Halo. ME can go FTL without relays, it’s just slower. But Relays mean instant travel over tens of thousands of LY; crossing the Galaxy in hours or days right up there at Star Wars level.
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    A big problem I see here is that while we have some numbers for Halo post-war, CI, we have next to none for ME. Halo’s also all upgraded up with their latest tech, while ME’s halfway there because CI means end of Reaper War, not a few years later. Anything we can do to rectify that? Or is the present situation fine for debating?

  23. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 9:58 am -      #5523

    @mack006 not sure if retarded, …actually pretty sure you’re retarded

  24. Commander Farsight September 22, 2013 at 10:14 am -      #5524

    @rezz
    The irony in your post….it’s palpable.

  25. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 1:14 pm -      #5525

    @Commander so tell me? Are you mack on another account or are you retards just another group of circle jerkers?

  26. Mad Silentist September 22, 2013 at 1:19 pm -      #5526

    Omg! Rezzforme is fisherking reborn! Only fisherking went straight to circlejerking for an insult

  27. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 1:21 pm -      #5527

    Listen, I’ve been on several sites and judging from the average poster, this is now the 4th most retarded site going by the average user. Right behind Comicvine, Spacebattle and OBD.

    If you’re going to get mad at someone speaking objectively then it pretty much proves my point, the average user on this site was most likely fed lead flavored baby formula.

  28. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 1:22 pm -      #5528

    Rejoice Halo fans, I present to you Your Champion.
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    Tone down the insults. There was another bloke fond of that word, and you’re looking to be maybe follow his example. So let us nip that little idiosyncrasy right now.
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    Now lets hear a real argument out of you.

  29. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm -      #5529

    Ah yes, “speaking objectively.” Tell me more about your hierarchy of website Retardedness.

  30. Dassadec September 22, 2013 at 1:30 pm -      #5530

    I think Mack’s problem is you made claims without sources, which were flawed to begin with. Jumping into a 4000+ comment thread with an opinion alone doesn’t help your cause bro. Note: Farsight is most definitely not a sock puppet for Mack of all people.
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    Here’s the real tip for BankGambling. If you jump into a thread read it first. And if you want to comment try to bring something other than unsourced opinions.

  31. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 1:32 pm -      #5531

    It isn’t an opinion, it’s fact that Mass Relays are needed for slipspace travel, Halo ships do can go into slip space on their own.

  32. SgCombine September 22, 2013 at 1:39 pm -      #5532

    @rezzforme
    Hate to bust your bubble buddy, but Mass Relays don’t send ships into slipspace.

  33. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 1:59 pm -      #5533

    Wrong on both counts. Relays simply provide a very, very fast transit between Relay systems. Ships still have FTL on their own.
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    And accusing the first people to disagree with you of sockpuppetry is staggeringly immature on your part, especially considering you clearly made no attempt to read some of the thread, or so much as ask for a recap of the info you need. I doubt anyone here would be totally unwilling to assist in such. Instead of insults, try that eh?

  34. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 2:03 pm -      #5534

    That’s cool, I require morons to assist me, the simple fact is Mass Effect Ships can’t go into slip space on their own, their ships are garbage.

  35. Mad Silentist September 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm -      #5535

    That’s cool, ignore offers for help from people trying to be civil and call them morons instead. Yep we are the ones that had lead baby formula

  36. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 2:08 pm -      #5536

    Sorry, I just don’t like stupid people, in fact I hate stupid people, this site along with certain others have an abundance of stupid people, there needs to be a purge.

  37. Karen Starr September 22, 2013 at 2:10 pm -      #5537

    Well you have fun with getting that off the ground then, for now we’ll go right back onto debating stuff on this site.

  38. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 2:14 pm -      #5538

    Karen Starr, I understand you’re frustration over being unable to get a decent dicking in real life, but for your own sake do not talk back to an intellectual superior, let alone a MALE intellectual superior. Please go back to painting your nails and buying tampons while I educate the masses. Thank you

  39. Mad Silentist September 22, 2013 at 2:14 pm -      #5539

    Sorry I dislike needlessly rude people. The reason nobody agrees with your points is because you do not provide any evidence, just saying something that may or may not be true doesnt mean everyone is going to believe you. Who exactly has been stupid since you have joined the site? I would like a list if you dont mind

  40. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm -      #5540

    What evidence do I need? It is common knowledge that Mass Effect ships cannot go into slipspace by themselves. I am sorry if you think I am rude but I simply do not cater to stupid people. End of story

  41. Kara Zor-El September 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm -      #5541

    Anyone else think he sounds suspiciously like Fisherking?

  42. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm -      #5542

    Eh, we have rules about that now. We kept it clean on our part. If he keeps it up, let him taste consequence as Admin sees fit.

  43. Aelfinn September 22, 2013 at 2:22 pm -      #5543

    “Karen Starr, I understand you’re frustration over being unable to get a decent dicking in real life, but for your own sake do not talk back to an intellectual superior, let alone a MALE intellectual superior. Please go back to painting your nails and buying tampons while I educate the masses. ”
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    Holy Shit. Sexism? Now, I’m not one for rampant use of the banhammer, but Admin, just look at this guy.

  44. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm -      #5544

    Though honestly he seems to be trying a little too hard, especially with the sexism act towards Karen. Methinks its likely just a troll.
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    In either case, I see no further reason to continue acknowledging his existence. Carry on as usual folks.

  45. rezzforme September 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm -      #5545

    Who is this fisherking fellow? Was he an intellectual superior he got ran off this site by the mass of inbreeds like I’m about to? Wouldn’t surprise me

  46. Karen Starr September 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm -      #5546

    My response stand as the same as in the other debate rezz. So I’m done involving myself with you. In terms of this debate though i can’t choose a side, as I’m not a huge fan of either Halo, or ME so I don’t know much about them.

  47. Karen Starr September 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm -      #5547

    Yeah Rezz, is sooo not Fisher at all…*snorts*

  48. Mad Silentist September 22, 2013 at 2:29 pm -      #5548

    I just want to point out that I called him being fisherking on post number 5526.

  49. Kara Zor-El September 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm -      #5549

    You know I bet he actually thinks he’s being clever too.

  50. Amm0vamp1r3 September 22, 2013 at 2:31 pm -      #5550

    Wow he got figured out that fast, laaaaaammmmmmeeeeee….

  51. Karen Starr September 22, 2013 at 2:33 pm -      #5551

    Aw Kara watch it he may tell you to get back to the kitchen.

  52. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 2:33 pm -      #5552

    Oh Fisher, it’s a credit to the site that you’d sockpuppet just to come back to us, though I’m not wholly convinced its him.

  53. Mad Silentist September 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm -      #5553

    So i normally just lurk on BankGambling, i have been for years. I absolutely love this site. . . Just throwing that out there. But sometimes people like rezzforme (who is totally not fisherking) show up and force me to post about them. I just dont understand why people see the need to be as rude as he has been acting. Just because its the internet that doesnt mean you should instantly be a dick. Ok, completely random post is now complete. Please carry on

  54. Zazax September 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm -      #5554

    “I just dont understand why people see the need to be as rude as he has been acting.”
    That would be the GIFT, my friend. A sad but unavoidable fact of the internet.

  55. Kara Zor-El September 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm -      #5555

    5,555 xD

  56. Commander Cross September 22, 2013 at 3:02 pm -      #5556

    How do Hanar fight things in life-or-death matters?
    Biotics?

  57. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 3:26 pm -      #5557

    @Cross
    That’s what they have the Drell for.

  58. Watchdog Lowk September 22, 2013 at 3:34 pm -      #5558

    I was just about to defend Rezz and then the nails/tampons joke happened. That said, I kind of leaning on him not being fisher if only because this doesn’t involve 40k and I got a response that wasn’t an insult(at least not towards me) in another match.
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    “How do Hanar fight things in life-or-death matters?
    Biotics?”
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    If I remember right I think they are sort of like floating jellyfish mixed with an electric eel. I recall Thane stating in the water they are actually pretty dangerous.

  59. Watchdog Lowk September 22, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #5559

    Alternatively, More arms, more guns
    24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mde166bwjC1rhxogso1_500.jpg

  60. Commander Cross September 22, 2013 at 3:42 pm -      #5560

    @Master Sarge at #5557 and Watchdog Lowk at #5558

    So the Hanar would often hire Drell if need be, right?

    __

    So sending Hanar to Aquatic worlds may be of help in life-or-death engagements against the Halo forces, yes?

  61. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 22, 2013 at 3:46 pm -      #5561

    Not precisely “Hire” so much as indefinite symbiotic servitude. The Hanar saved the Drell from extinction, so now they more or less live with them on their planet and many end up doing the things the Hanar themselves are incapable of or find they have little taste for.

  62. Commander Farsight September 22, 2013 at 7:41 pm -      #5562

    Aw man. I have to leave for a few hours and I missed my chance to get rid of Rezz. How I have to wait for a new troll to surface before I get my chance.😢

  63. Commander Cross September 22, 2013 at 8:47 pm -      #5563

    @Commander Farsight at #5562

    I suspect the King of Fishers’ corruption and subsequent demise has left behind a spectacular Power gap, for Trolls and non-Trolls alike.

  64. Marcel September 22, 2013 at 10:23 pm -      #5564

    @ Cross
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    Did he just leave, or was he banned?

  65. Commander Cross September 22, 2013 at 10:30 pm -      #5565

    @Marcel at #5564

    Half of me suspect he left, the other half suspects he was slain in kombat.

  66. Marcel September 22, 2013 at 10:33 pm -      #5566

    Ah. Well, time will tell, I suppose. He was gone for a long spell around the time I arrived on the site; I believe that he only resurfaced a few months ago, right? Maybe he left to nurse his wounds.

  67. Commander Cross September 22, 2013 at 10:35 pm -      #5567

    @Marcel at #5566

    Whatever the case, he’s a moot point now.

  68. fang44123 September 25, 2013 at 1:35 am -      #5568

    just out of curiosity how well do you think spartan 4′s would do when it comes to ground war fare, or perhaps being a boarding party for a ME ship provided they had better weapons than unsc standard? like a light rifle, or perhaps a covenant weapon. also If they were to board a ship, would they be able to reverse engineer weapons, and armor systems on board?
    and wouldnt this come in handy if they had to go onto a planet to get intel or perhaps board a larger ship?

  69. Tyran September 25, 2013 at 9:47 am -      #5569

    Question: there are Reapers in the ME side?

  70. IamTaco September 25, 2013 at 9:46 pm -      #5570

    ‘Also, the Infinity could’ve just sat in the front and tanked the Storm Fleet’s attacks, while destroying multiple ships with her quad-SMACs at a time.’
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    Seeing as plasma torpedo can perform complex maneuvers and actively chase down their targets, I don’t think that the infinity’s relatively small bulk can protect those 10 ships from the hundred or so covenant ships. Also as I have said now in a 1v1 UNSC ships are now more powerful than covenant ships and are dominating space engagements like how the coverant dominated the UNSC in the past. And it would be hard to dominate the covenant in space if even the smallest and weakest ship the coverant have can just fire off a single un-avoidable plasma torpedo that would proceed to one shot even the biggest and most heavily armored UNSC ship. So form here we can see that frigate’s shields can at the very least tank a single plasma torpedo. And the new frigates can ‘easily destroy a covenant capital ship’ with their new up-graded MACs now which I assume means that they can one shot their shields now instead of the 2/3 shots it took before. That and UNSC ships now have the tripe shot MACs like the pillars of Autumn. So the infinity and her wolf pack of 11 frigates took on at least a hundred covenant capital ships and destroyed a good number of them before forcing the rest to flee. That is a insane feat for both the frigates and the Infinity.
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    And plasma torpedo calcs are all the over pace. They’re anything from a 100 kilotons to low single/double digits megatons. So even if we use the extreme low end a firgate’s shield would still still be stronger than that of a dreadnought.
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    ‘A big problem I see here is that while we have some numbers for Halo post-war, CI, we have next to none for ME. Halo’s also all upgraded up with their latest tech, while ME’s halfway there because CI means end of Reaper War, not a few years later. Anything we can do to rectify that? Or is the present situation fine for debating?’
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    Dream on.

  71. fang44123 September 27, 2013 at 8:19 pm -      #5571

    @ Everyone: is bungies canon policy still active? games>books>other EU, or that if other canon contradicts reach its ruled as non canon? (also side note, for mass effects ground weapons what stops the grain of sand sized bullet shavings from exploding into multi-kilojoule fragments infront of the users face considering its being shot out at such a high velocity)

  72. SgCombine September 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm -      #5572

    @fang44123
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    343i’s policy from what I’ve heard is everything is canon… somehow. The projectile exploding in the users face has already been brought up at least once and iirc the reason it doesn’t explode after it leaves the barrel is because the projectile is made of some ME supermetal that can withstand the stress.

  73. Commander Cross September 27, 2013 at 9:02 pm -      #5573

    @SgCombine at #5572

    That’s almost as horrific as the 40K Canon policy in general, really.
    I said almost because even without the threat of trolls looming over, the lack of consistent calcs serves as irritation fuel like a bad itch, to say the least.

    OOC: Mind clicking on the Admiral GuardianAngel1911′s username so we may talk more, elsewhere?
    Halo-related news actually.

  74. fang44123 September 27, 2013 at 9:11 pm -      #5574

    @sgtcombine: so that means the macs gun can range to 64 kiloton to teraton or gigatons (which i believe comes from the halo 4 visual guide) depending on which ever your willing to accept the space battle could me marginally close or a stomp. although on the higher end mac calcs i might be wrong. i heard from word of mouth, not by reading it myself.

  75. SgCombine September 27, 2013 at 9:14 pm -      #5575

    @CC
    I don’t like it either, it’s stupid but then again I dislike most of the things 343i does with canon nowadays.

  76. Commander Cross September 27, 2013 at 9:28 pm -      #5576

    @SgCombine at #5575

    This is just a load of horse$hit on their part.
    One of the things that keeps me fond of the Tenchi Muyo Multi-verse so much is how for one thing, they went out of their way to have consistent calcs for The Light Hawk Wings among other things.
    That’s not getting in-depth on a lot of other things either, but that is what stood out as far as calcs are concerned on the top of my skull.

    How good is Mass Effect with consistent calcs, actually?

    OOC: Mind looking at this?

  77. Tyran September 27, 2013 at 11:23 pm -      #5577

    fang44123@
    MACs go from kilotons to gigatons. But a 343i employe once stated that the MAC yields are what the plot needs them to be.
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    So yeah the UNSC throws around PLOTATONS!!! XD.

  78. fang44123 September 27, 2013 at 11:29 pm -      #5578

    @tyran: ugh oh shit, i thought the 65 kiloton was for stuff like this
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LEYb7iN8og
    at 8:49.

  79. Tyran September 27, 2013 at 11:38 pm -      #5579

    IIRC it comes from the Fall of Reach, along with the Gigatons for the SMACs.

  80. Namer September 28, 2013 at 8:04 am -      #5580

    I think its from the 600 ton mass and 30 km/s velocity round on a shipboard MAC.
    .
    @Cross #5576: ME probably has come of the most consistent yields out there, all scaled from 20kg, round, 4000 km/s making 38 kT for 800m Accelerator every 2 seconds.
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    @Taco #5570
    Remind me again where was the yield for plasma torpedoes calculated from.

  81. BC September 28, 2013 at 10:32 am -      #5581

    There are solid numbers for regular MACs and running them comes out to a solid number in the 64 to 65 kiloton range. It is simple physics.
    -
    On the other hand the author apparently did not take the size of the projectiles into account. MAC rounds would be about the size of a convenience store each and SMACs would be throwing around small asteroid sized projectiles. It brings up a humorous mental image of the Infinity with a big banana clip sticking out of it like a giant submachinegun. If they were hollowtip I can imagine newbie ordinance handlers hazed by being sent in with a flashlight to evict squatters before loading.

  82. OberHeresy September 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm -      #5582

    BC……saying “Asteroid-sized” is like saying “rock-sized”.
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    It can mean two square feet, and it can mean hundreds.

  83. fang44123 September 29, 2013 at 11:18 am -      #5583

    @ everyone: do you guys perhaps have the link for the 64 kiloton calc, or atleast where its coming from.

  84. Glutinous-Bicarbonate September 29, 2013 at 12:21 pm -      #5584

    @Fang
    I think the figure comes from a stated weight of a MAC round, and the speed at which it is accelerated. With that information, it’s possible to calculate its kinetic energy on impact.

  85. SgCombine September 29, 2013 at 12:36 pm -      #5585

    @fang
    You can use this site here to calc it yourself.
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    www.csgnetwork.com/kineticenergycalc.html
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    You’ll have to do some converting though since it’s using the metric system.

  86. fang44123 September 29, 2013 at 10:00 pm -      #5586

    ah, many thanks. just out of curiosity, how well do you thing s4s compare to n7s?

  87. Commander Farsight September 29, 2013 at 10:06 pm -      #5587

    @Fang
    One on One, I’d put my money on the N7, but there are hundreds of S4s, and they are somewhat easier to produce and train, I would think, although my Mass Effect knowledge is feeble. What’s the N7 process like?

  88. SgCombine September 29, 2013 at 10:26 pm -      #5588

    @fang
    Physically the S-IVs can match an Elite Zealot (well, with power armor on), so there’s that. Unfortunately they’re still lacking in the weapons department as far as standard load out goes, and the omni-blade could definitely even the odds in cqc for the N7, unless the S-IV is carrying an energy sword (extremely unlikely). The only disadvantage I see for the N7 is they don’t wear power armor which would significantly increase their strength. But one on one I’d put my money on the N7 as well.

  89. Watchdog Lowk September 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm -      #5589

    “What’s the N7 process like?”
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    Candidates train for more than 20 hours per day, leading small combat teams through hostile terrain with little sleep or food to become n1.
    After that n2-n6 train off planet and include instruction in zero-G combat, military free-fall (parachuting), jetpack flight, combat diving, combat instruction, linguistics, and frontline trauma care for human and alien biology.
    N6 training eventually involves actual combat experience, those that survive and are exceptionally effective become N7.
    Think Anderson mentioned that there was stuff like, they would drop you and a few others on an asteroid with limited oxygen and supplies and you had to find a way to survive.
    ===
    Recently N7 seem to be getting stuff like cybernetic enhancements and/or additional equipment like omni-shields, mechanized armor, swordmenship training, etc. Biotic candidates would likely be get addition biotic training.

  90. Commander Farsight September 29, 2013 at 11:13 pm -      #5590

    @Lowk
    Dang. N7 training sounds like S-II training on angry steroids.
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    So, heres how I see it. N7 beats S-IV 1 on 1, but as a program, just because there are a lot of S-IVs (several hundred), i’d say they could pull it off.

  91. fang44123 September 30, 2013 at 4:09 pm -      #5591

    sounds like s2 training. i was looking and some of the s4 armors have forerunner materials and design in them, and if need be couldnt they reverse engineer the mass effect tech, or perhaps use covenant tech for ground battles if their weapons proved ineffective

  92. erickyboo October 2, 2013 at 3:58 am -      #5592

    I posted information on the S-IVs.

    “Let’s see. Spartan-IV:

    Let’s start with physiological stuff and go from there.

    Sleep: they can perform optimally with two and a half hours of sleep each 48h cycle.

    The food and nutrients depend on each Spartan. Tailored for them personally. The bacteria in their guts have been modified to absorb more nutrients. Their pancreas have been replaced by something they grow in a vat.

    Blood clogs faster, heart weaved in to pump hard enough to outrun a horse. Average horse speed is about 76km/h and top speed was recorded at 88km/h.

    Eye corneas have been modified to see better in the dark.

    Lungs lined with a polymer that enhances oxygen intake and process toxins. Can breathe in methane for nearly an hour.

    Bones modified to be “nearly” unbreakable. Muscles coated to work harder without tearing the skeleton apart. Jump three meters it seems.

    Implants to help keep tab on insides for health team’s.

    They wear MJOLNIR gen 2 and have access to a wide range of armours and can get modifications for it, have access to a wide range of armour abilities, unsc weapons, covenant weapons and forerunner weapons.

    Spartan specialists can shoot a sniper from the hip and out a round between a target’s eyes three kilometers away on a windy moonless night.

    .

    The S-II training lasted 8 years and started at the age of six. By 20h training, I don’t think its protracted in such manner. Spartan-IIs trained in forests as well. S-IVs, they have war games. They can continuously train there. And have multiple scenarios they can do it on.
    Multiplayer overall is canon, not sure if you guys know… the Spartans don’t have ranks like navy or marines. Their rank is Spartan. Each detachment is Commanded by a Spartan Commander. Sarah Palmer is the Spartan Commander of all Spartans onboard the UNSC infinity. Their height usually ranges from 206-216cm and they usually weigh between 108.4-127.4kg. They have a wide variety of loadout selection, from covenant weapons, to forerunner weapons, snipers, railguns, native weapons… their loadout selection is wide. As they prove themselves in the field or in war games, they advance in standing through Spartan Rank, after they hit a high enough rank then they can chose specializations. They can modify their armour, its designed to be Ad Hoc. Certain armours specialize in certain things more than others, others are more general and so on.

    My Spartan-IV, would be SR-130. Completed 8 full different specializations. Optimized to operate, space, land, air and sea vehicles (operator), optimized in the subversion and repair and reconstitution of a wide variety of technology regardless of origin (engineer), optimized for unconventional deployment within unknown enemy territory and no assistance (pathfinder), optimized in deployment in unknown and hostile territory for gathering and relaying intelligence (pioneer), optimized for single-operative missions which require lone deployment and incredibly long duration of time (rogue), optimized for target shadowing missions while operating at close range of the target (stalker), optimized for long range target tracking in unconventional scenarios (Tracker), optimized for stealth operations (wetwork). My Spartan-IV dons MJOLNIR Gen 2/Prefect which is Forerunner-based/human hybrid armour. He is equipped with the Z-250 directed energy engagement weapon (lightrifle), the Z-110 directed energy pistol/exotic, the Z-040 Attenuation field generator/localized (pulse grenade) and the Z-2500 automated protection drone (autosentry) which can be materialized through hard light spontaneously. Modifications are made to the ammo capacity safety overrides in order to carry more ammo, and the optimization of energy to recharge armour ability faster. My Spartan, as a member of Crimson, participated in tour on Requiem in at least 50 operations where over a hundred enemies were common, promethean or covenant. Capture of my Spartan-IV was not permanent as Crimson escaped the prison facility and stole a Covenant Phantom while rescuing a marine squad.

    Spartans have been seen engaged with energy sword wielding opponents in CQB and winning. The Omni blade takes some moments to charge up, in that time, a Spartan might be able to lock out N7′S arm and deal a kick or punch. Or even rolling behind the target. (from a game perspective, it is possible to dodge an attack by going behind the sangheili as he lunges).

    -

    Strident-class heavy frigates have heavy coil MACs, Chiron class has light coil. Does no one remember how fast the forward unto dawn decelerated on the Ark? It was far, in atmosphere and rapidly decelerated. Check out Spartan ops episodec1 cutscene.

  93. IamTaco October 5, 2013 at 12:37 am -      #5593

    ‘Remind me again where was the yield for plasma torpedoes calculated from.’
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    The lowest end one is the fact that they tend to one shot covenant capital ships shields. So that gives us a low end of about a 128 kilotons. The single/double megaton comes from first strike, where a 1 kilometer and 1 kilometer repair and refit ship dozens of meters thick gets turned into a cloud of hot atoms by a dozen plasma torpedoes. The high end triple megaton firepower also comes from first strike where a modified plasma torpedo manages to bore straight through a largish asteroid.
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    ‘On the other hand the author apparently did not take the size of the projectiles into account.’
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    MAC rounds like every sci fi projectile weapon ever uses some kind of super dense metal so I think it’s kind of unfair to say that they would be the size of convenience stores. After we only know about their weight and not their size.
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  94. BC October 5, 2013 at 3:57 am -      #5594

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    MAC rounds like every sci fi projectile weapon ever uses some kind of super dense metal so I think it’s kind of unfair to say that they would be the size of convenience stores. After we only know about their weight and not their size.
    -
    Except that they tell the material the rounds are made of, tungsten, and that along with the weight gives us the size.

  95. IamTaco October 5, 2013 at 6:51 am -      #5595

    ‘And that scene had fucktons of PIS.’
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    PIS doesn’t explain how joker and shepherd weren’t instantly roasted alive by the particle beam.
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    ‘Except that they tell the material the rounds are made of, tungsten, and that along with the weight gives us the size.’
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    It could have easily been some kind of modified super dense tungsten.
    -
    Anyway, the 64 kiloton figure is a little out dated now, with the UNSC ships having upgraded MAC with vastly increased firepower fitted with the pillar of Autumn’s triple shot MAC.
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    So can we just give Halo the win already? They have a major advantage in just about every thing. Halo has the advantage in FTL, industry/production, stealth, firepower, defense, mobility…The only thing ME has on their side is numbers and a range advantage. I just don’t see ME wining when Halo has the advantage in just about everything important.

  96. Watchdog Lowk October 5, 2013 at 12:39 pm -      #5596

    “PIS doesn’t explain how joker and shepherd weren’t instantly roasted alive by the particle beam.”
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    Main characters surviving things they shouldn’t becuase plot has other plans for them. Sounds like PIS to me.

  97. Abbazorkzog October 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm -      #5597

    As someone posted earlier N7 training beats Spartan training. While Halo > ME in space, ME is superior on the ground with better more competent foot-soldiers. Biotics > Constraint fields. They also appear to have better weaponry, armor, and field equipment. Halo loses in a ground war. Reapers also have an unlimited supply of ground infantry beating the Flood/Precursors (can’t remember if Silentium confirms the Flood and Precursors were one and the same or not at the current moment)

  98. SgCombine October 5, 2013 at 10:02 pm -      #5598

    can’t remember if Silentium confirms the Flood and Precursors were one and the same or not at the current moment
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    The Flood was revealed to be one of their many forms in Silentium.

  99. Abbazorkzog October 5, 2013 at 10:18 pm -      #5599

    I thought so. I figure if the Flood are allowed to get to the point where they infect spacetime (how does that even work???) they will unquestionably dominate.

  100. SgCombine October 5, 2013 at 10:32 pm -      #5600

    As of right now, the Flood has to start from scratch, so fortunately for ME, no planet busting drive-bys. Though if the new Halo game shows them coming back in full force with Greg Bear at the forefront… well, ME is gonna get frakked hard.

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