Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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  1. OberHerr July 7, 2013 at 1:35 am -      #4901

    *what I said before

  2. Draco July 7, 2013 at 1:43 am -      #4902

    Spartan’s aren’t pushovers, but against a superior grounds force with limited numbers they couldn’t possibly cause a dent large enough to be a bother in a universe where they have magiky abilities like the diadect and his telekinesis except a bit more destructive… way more destructive…
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    Spartans can’t beat tech powers and biotics.
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    Even if they got ME guns, they don’t have thermal clipa oreezo to recreate them. Limited use maybe but it won’t give them the advantage they need to win ground battles.

  3. deathmetal3k July 7, 2013 at 1:53 am -      #4903

    @draco yeah I think you worded some things weirdly wihich I took literally. My bad.

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    Well personally I still slice Spartans interns of sheer skill far outclass any ME solider.

    What I thinking @lightbing was trying to say us that if you take away MEs bioctics then the Spartans are going to wipe the floor with most of them though of course a few Spartans will die regardless, but the ME soldiers without biotics are pretty outclassed by Spartans.

  4. OberHerr July 7, 2013 at 1:55 am -      #4904

    I’m always so torn when two universe I love come to blows so to speak.
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    WHY CAN’T THEY JUST GET ALONG?!?!?

  5. Draco July 7, 2013 at 2:00 am -      #4905

    Yeah, it’s my bad I’m on a tablet and typing is a bitch… I shorten things up and have to paraphrase… and I hate the spelling mistakes!
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    Well, tech powers aren’t pushovers either, and every soldier witg an omni-tool can use these to some extent. Things like incinerate and overload.
    That and gun range in halo is so crappy… I’ll stop saying it when it stops becoming true!
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    I think this is a lot like the space battlws where ME outranges and outmanuevers halo ground forces. But this time they hold the firepower chip in their hands. Spartans can’t do much…
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    Shepard by himself and without biotics was able to mop up MC in their match if that’s any indicator.

  6. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 7, 2013 at 2:04 am -      #4906

    As to reverse engineering, the obtaining and successful utilization of Eezo would probably stand to be a hitch. Covvie and unsc tech worked on the same basic principles. ME tech would be a whole new game, even moreso than with the Forerunners.

  7. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 2:04 am -      #4907

    “Draco because N7 are taken from their parents at the age of 6 unwillingly because their gentic make up make them able to excel. They have their bones coated with Ceramics making them unbreakable. Their nervous system replaced with fiberoptic cables. Raise from the Age of 6 to fight and kill anything they are told to. Can deffeat a Hunter with their bear hands. Weight around a ton in armor. Have nueral implants that carry AI’s. Have SPARTAN time where everything slows down allowing them to dodge bulletes. Can kill wemon and children and not feel a pain of regreat. Can carry heavy weaponary and use it like a light weapon. That is what a SPARTAN is. An N7 will die horriblely to them. If you do not belive me here is a few links for you.”
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    “Draco because N7 are taken from their parents at the age of 6 unwillingly because their gentic make up make them able to excel.”
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    More then likely some of the Biotic n7 probably were.

    “They have their bones coated with Ceramics making them unbreakable. Their nervous system replaced with fiberoptic cables.”
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    Iirc spartan’s have actually broken bone. As for N7 enhancements, depends on if they got cybernetics done. It sort of a choice.
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    “Raise from the Age of 6 to fight and kill anything they are told to.”
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    Back to the biotic portion yeah, a lot of them were trained to be superhuman soldiers.
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    ” Can deffeat a Hunter with their bear hands.”
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    Really? Could’ve sworn Hunter out-muscle spartan and are normally beaten via aiming for the weak spot… An N7 probably could take it out with maybe one of the modded melee weapons, but short of biotic memebers I don’t think they could do it with there bear hands.
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    “Weight around a ton in armor.”
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    Probably no. Heaviest would be the Destroyers who are essentially powered exoskeleton but I don’t know how heavy they are.
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    “Have nueral implants that carry AI’s.”
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    Implants yes. As for AI no. Until recently most wouldn’t have been comfotable with an AI in them. Though they could have them in there suit like the Geth can end up doing for the quarians.
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    “Have SPARTAN time where everything slows down allowing them to dodge bulletes.”
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    Yes. They also have eye enhancements to help heighten focus on their target.
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    “Can kill wemon and children and not feel a pain of regreat.”
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    Depends on the soldier. Though this kind of falls more into the spectre line of things.
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    “Can carry heavy weaponary and use it like a light weapon.”
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    They can yes. But it again depends on the N7. Some have genetic, cybernetic, or powersuit enahncements. Some don’t.
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    “An N7 will die horriblely to them.”
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    Depends.
    -Destoryers can carry heavy weapon and have shoulder mounted homing missiles that cause people to explode. that can either be upgraded to hit harder or split into more then one. They can stomp to create a shockwave, what it doesn’t kill it knocks back or damages.
    -Demolishers can take out shields and and unleash homing grenades and whatever weapon they have on hand. There omnifist cases explosion on nearby enemies.
    -Shadows are like ninjas. They have enhanced speed, cloaking, there monomolecular blades can drain shield to charge there own, and do electric damage, and unleash a long range electrical shockwave.
    -Paladins can drain energy from long range to charge up there own(there is no travel time or bullet to avoid), shot a fireball from his hands, and flash freeze people solid. They also have omnishields which blocks stuff kinetic barriers can which can double as weapons that can be modded to burn or freeze what it touches.
    -Slayers are biotic. Basically telekinetic ninjas that can seemingly teleport(which they use in combat like nightcrawler), and can charge at superspeed while recharging their barrier. They can also focus biotic power into laser like handbbeam which result in an explosion with a max radius of 7meters. Also like the Shadow sling biotic version shockwaves with a radius of 30 meters. The too have monomolecular blades.
    -Furys are pure biotics, the have the same seemingly teleport like movement the slayers have. They can create damaging biotic fields around them, enhanced they’re strike with biotics, create a 360 shockwave. For distance stick a damaging biotic field around someone that not only slows them and if that person dies it move to the next enemy, and like all bitoic can combine attack to create biotic explosions directly on the person.
    -Then there’s the jack of all trades master of none like Shepard who while they don’t specialize still bring a lot of diversity to there abilities and gear.

    I think a Spartan could probably take a Destroyer or a Demolisher if they play there cards right. The others either have a way to outmaneuver Spartans, drain their shields, freeze them solid, or are biotic.
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    “Geth Primes will not win one on one.”
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    Current Geth Juggernauts could suspended a someone in a damaging energy field that also drains their energy and powers the GJ’s shields, as energy barrier does additional damage, and a mini floating turret fires on him. The normal result of this end in the target being dissolved. I think current gen could take a spartan one on one.
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    “Anyways, onto the who debate stating the Dreadnoughts and crusiers carrying fighter being able to out do ships dedicated to carrying fighters.”
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    Never said that. IN fact I stated Carrier carry more instead of weaponry like the dreads.
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    “Your Frigates do not carry Fighters the last time i checked the Codex.”
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    You right, my bad. they carry shuttles(which would make poor fighter, tank, and other vehicles like that. They are however used as anti-fighters for the larger ships.
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    “Our fighters are armed with 30 Megaton missles what are yours armed with?”
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    Mass accelerator cannon, missiles, and FTL. Also thanix cannons which have the firepower of crusiers and disruptor torp which while they don’t have the same bang but they could ruin larger ship do to effect it causes when it hit.

    They could probably take out Halo’s fighter pretty easy since if I recall correctly they could be damaged by things like rifles and taken out by tanks. According to the quote I put up the smaller ME ship guns are putting out enough demolishing building and leaving a crater in there place that. That seems comparable or greater to the tank right?

  8. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 2:07 am -      #4908

    “WHY CAN’T THEY JUST GET ALONG?!?!?”
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    That’s what I made the “What If…Mass Effect and Halo Universes Combined?” for.

  9. Draco July 7, 2013 at 2:23 am -      #4909

    There are the N7′s I know and love. Didn’t realize some got cyber enchancments like shepard… oh, wait, that’s why they can use black widow rifles… duh.
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    I lacked that info, thanks.

  10. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 2:43 am -      #4910

    “There are the N7′s I know and love. Didn’t realize some got cyber enchancments like shepard… oh, wait, that’s why they can use black widow rifles… duh.”
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    I think that might be in some part due to them managing to decrease the recoil while maintaining the power. Having said that they are still basically waving around an 85 pound weapon like it was normal so we at least know they are getting their exercise.

  11. mack006 July 7, 2013 at 2:48 am -      #4911

    @ That Krogan
    “Really? Could’ve sworn Hunter out-muscle spartan and are normally beaten via aiming for the weak spot… An N7 probably could take it out with maybe one of the modded melee weapons, but short of biotic memebers I don’t think they could do it with there bear hands”
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    Um, a Spartan did kill a Hunter with his BEAR hands. I forgot his name but I will look it up as soon as I can. Basically he jumped on top of a hunter and pulled apart the worms inside it.

  12. wpago July 7, 2013 at 2:50 am -      #4912

    @ Urdnot Lowk William-043 killed a Hunter by ripping it apart with just his hands in ghosts of onxy.

    The 30 megaton missle is just the anti capital class weapons on our fighters.

    ■110mm Rotary Cannons[4]
    ■120mm Ventral Guns[4]
    ■ASGM-10 Missiles (4)
    ■Shiva-class Nuclear Missile (1)
    ■Moray space mine system (36)
    ■Resupply Canister

    Next we have the Sephia

    Heavy plasma cannon (2), Class-2 Projectile Cannon

    Funny thing is our fighters are size of your Corvets. 64 metres.

  13. ZomBat July 7, 2013 at 2:57 am -      #4913

    Doesn’t Mass Effect lack any proper ground forces aside from the Mako? Which is umm terribad. Halo may have badly designed ground forces, but they have ground forces, complete with scouts, Anti-Air, tanks, IFVs, and large walkers.

  14. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 3:00 am -      #4914

    “Basically he jumped on top of a hunter and pulled apart the worms inside it.”
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    Thats what I mean. I thought it was something like he manhandled a hunter.
    Also I keep saying bear. I mean bare. Spartan with bear hands would be to comical and deadly for halo… Can they make animals into spartan?

  15. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 7, 2013 at 3:25 am -      #4915

    That was misleading. The Spartan grabbed a fistful of lekgolo from one of the Hunters open points. That’s something your average human could exploit. Their armor is kickass, but a Hunter dies very easy if you hit the worms.
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    It was far from a case of physically overpowering one. Mgalekgolo have been ripped to shreds by a swarm of Yanmee, they’re less than invincible.

  16. wpago July 7, 2013 at 3:31 am -      #4916

    Not a fistful. He ripped it completly out of its’ armored shell. A fist full? sure a normal human could do that. All of it? ONLY a SPARTAN could do that.

    Anyways back to the fighter point. With proper tatics (Lord Hood is an absolute Tatical Geninus with only Cole being better) your looking at the UNSC hitting keypoints with overwhelming force. Espically since covenate can do pinpoint short taticle slipspace jumps. Exit next to your dreadnought, launch a hail of plasma torpeados (the plasma might be blocked but the heat wont) then exiting and going back to the UNSC/Covenate fleet. If your ships tryed to FTL next to ours to do the same, we launch boarding torpeados. Board your ships and make it hell for the crews.

  17. erickyboo July 7, 2013 at 3:44 am -      #4917

    I calculated that the MA5C assault rifle can output 58+ kilojoules of kinetic energy per second. Halo 4′s assault rifle is the MA5D.
    Halo human snipers use the 14.5×114 which is larger than a .50 cal.

    You know what? I feel like with the calculations and all, one could make a game where there are different types of damages. Energy damage, kinetic damage and so on. Then have the shields be rated with joules. So instead of having, it does 13.2 damage, it could be, it does 13.2 kilojoules of kinetic energy.
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    The widow can shatter human bones? Don’t real life weapons already do that so the have to be mounted to fire? MJOLNIR armour can kill without the proper augmentations as a slight movement could break your bones. I guess widow + spartan = very high damage? Still halo forces have binary rifles which are pretty powerful.
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    Yes Spartans do amazing stuff. There aren’t a lot of spartan-IIs remaining, there are more spartan-IIIs but there are more spartan-IVs. Spartan-IIs that remaining are quite amazing. Spartan-IVs do get augmentations. Augmentations are now usable on adults. While no augmentations specifications have been discussed in depth, it’s still MJOLNIR they wear and augmentations have become better since 2525. Speaking of, MARK V, ODST and a forerunner based permutations are coming to halo 4! As well as steampunk like weapon skins! Steampunk assault rifle? YEAH!!!! And the pit is also coming back along with a new map that features having electrical discharges that disable Spartans shields. 800 Microsoft points bundle.
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    I had a Promethean battlewagon teleport right next to me and then shoot me with the scattershot and incinerate me completely minus my weapons. I didn’t have time to react or move away to safety. Fighting covenant is so much more easy to alive. Prometheans swarm so much! Zerglings vs crawlers. I’ve been shooting knights with the binary rifle only for them to teleport away with do damage inflicted, or shoot an enemy and have a watcher shield it and then die at the crucial moment. Or be pushed back by enemies while a watcher revived a knight I had just killed.

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    I lost track of so much I think. The discussion moved way too fast! However, shield worlds do contain powerful weapons and fleets. The entry on the control room on the essential visual guide confirms that. Guess who had the shield worlds built! The Ur-didact, guess who could help? The Ur-didact! Guess where who had a forerunner fleet after the Halo’s fired? Offensive Bias! Want a forerunner fleet? There is offensive bias who one could ask. Ask the IsoDidact or the Ur-Didact for a fleet. Want more commanders? Ask 343 guilty spark to let The Lord of Admirals assume controls
    . Old friends, enemies and acquaintances fighting amongst side each other in powerful ships!

  18. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 3:46 am -      #4918

    “Doesn’t Mass Effect lack any proper ground forces aside from the Mako? Which is umm terribad.”
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    How is it terribad other then the boring gameplay sections it was apart of?
    Mako has a railgun that fires a 155mm round. Can detect laser guided ordnance, hidden mines, and other subsurface anomalies. The sensor range is larger then normal. It can hop over obstacles and scale mountains. And the thing was still intact after falling from space.
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    Anyway they have mobile air defense recon drone control version of it as well.
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    There’s the also the Tomkah, which is the larger version the Krogans but has double the barrels.
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    Hammerhead: Can float or fly/glide short ranges, homing missile, and electronic countermeasures extend to laser detection, chaff, active thermal masking, and ground-penetrating weapons-sniffing radar.
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    Atlas/Triton mechs: Strength, arm cannon, missile launcher can be dropped in from up high.
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    Geth Armatures/colossus: Can be hot dropped from a ship, has anti-personnel and anti-tank firing modes, capable of self repair.
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    Praetorian: can hover or fly, fires energy beams, missiles, can create a biotic force field, use it’s robot arms as melee weapon.
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    Jiris IFV: hovers and it’s missile can hit a target from 20 kilometers away.

  19. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 4:10 am -      #4919

    “Espically since covenate can do pinpoint short taticle slipspace jumps. Exit next to your dreadnought, launch a hail of plasma torpeados (the plasma might be blocked but the heat wont) ”
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    Mass effect has shown they can ftl right up behind there targets as well.
    Heat normally get expelled by the heat sink and dispersed into space during combat.
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    ” If your ships tryed to FTL next to ours to do the same, we launch boarding torpeados.”
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    Well ME currently has the javelin missile system which fires swarms of disruptor torps. The warp effect one causes when it hits is to basically cause what it hit eat itself. If some converge it magnifies the effect. So if they hit then that ships going to have some breaches. Not only that but they can be fitted or smaller mobile ships like Fighters and frigates which could ftl in launch and ftl out. Which I think is actually an asari way of fighting. They like hit and run tactics.
    As for boarding wouldn’t the same be said of ME to them?

  20. wpago July 7, 2013 at 4:11 am -      #4920

    @Urdnot Lowk how is their artillery? Also you forgot the Grizzly Main Battle Tank.

    The UNSC has amazing artillery the SP42 Main Battle tank, has two modes lock down and normal. In lock down it functions as Artillery with 105mm rounds pounding targets very far away. It shoots two 105mm shells at a time. meaning it has the same force as 210mm shell.

    Once again ground forces are irrealavent imo since this will be decided in space. Since any ground forces ME has can just be glassed.

  21. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 4:14 am -      #4921

    “mobile air defense recon drone control version of it as well.”
    should say
    mobile air defense AND recon drone control version of it as well.

  22. wpago July 7, 2013 at 4:17 am -      #4922

    @ Urdnot Lowk Last time i checked ME does not have boarding torpeados that have shields that are designed to board enemy ships. They take shuttles over.

  23. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 4:33 am -      #4923

    “how is their artillery?”
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    Not really sure ither then they have vehicles with a 20 kilometer range.
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    “Also you forgot the Grizzly Main Battle Tank.”
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    Thats because It’s basically a just the old Mako.
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    “Once again ground forces are irrealavent imo since this will be decided in space.”
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    Pretty much.
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    “Since any ground forces ME has can just be glassed.”
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    Never really understood this. Isn’t that just a waste of a world? Collectors and Reapers can “glass” as well. But they don’t need stuff like habitable worlds that provide food. Why would organics just glass a place?
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    Question @ Anyone, how powerful is antimatter?

  24. wpago July 7, 2013 at 4:45 am -      #4924

    @Urdnot Lowk This is infact one of my favorite weapons to use against Superman and people like him. Why because it annalites matter on the subatomic scale. For ever gram you turn into energy you get around a megaton of TNT. Quite explosive.

  25. wpago July 7, 2013 at 4:48 am -      #4925

    Sorry for double post, the point of glassing a world is when you dont plain on taking it or you would be unable to hold it (Like the sith when they took courasant) you Glass it and leave. Denying the enemy a garden world and resources. Scortched Earth Tatics really.

  26. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 4:50 am -      #4926

    Just remembered one for the ground forces that can function as infantry fighting, anti-tank, and artillery
    fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/045/6/1/mass_effect_3___baby_reapers_by_pepperbug-d4pppp6.jpg
    The destroyser mostly. The bigger ones would likely be better in space. But yeah they have absurd range with that beam thing, there giant, and impervious to just about anything else on the ground.
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    and when they take this is what happens to the area around them
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=R38u6ey1xI0
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    Also theres the cain which as of ME3 can track and has quite a range. Here it is vs a large anti-air cannon
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzYqEAtQznY
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    “Last time i checked ME does not have boarding torpeados that have shields that are designed to board enemy ships. They take shuttles over.”
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    I meant using the disruptors to make an entrance.

  27. Zazax July 7, 2013 at 4:57 am -      #4927

    “Anyone, how powerful is antimatter?”
    Very. It’s the most powerful ‘explosive’ by weight that I’m aware of. One gram of antimatter annihilating one gram of normal matter would create an explosion that squeaks in at just under 43 kilotons.

  28. wpago July 7, 2013 at 4:57 am -      #4928

    Once again a shuttle that is easly killed has to take off out of a hangar. Where as a Boarding Torpeado is launched as a topreado at short range from the ship like a missle. Dosent need a hole to be there (They cut their own way in).

    @erickyboo the lord of Admirals is still alive? Holy shit he is like cole on steriods times a thousand when it comes to space warfair. I must ask where your proof of this is at.

  29. wpago July 7, 2013 at 4:58 am -      #4929

    @ Zazax then the IoM has some OP Anti-matter.

  30. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 5:00 am -      #4930

    “Why because it annalites matter on the subatomic scale. For ever gram you turn into energy you get around a megaton of TNT. Quite explosive.”
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    MDamn, now I got find that quote. ME has corporations using antimatter warheads as means of taking out mountain bases if there a critical containment failure and as weapons on orbital space stations. I wondered why they’d use those instead of just blasting the place.

  31. wpago July 7, 2013 at 5:03 am -      #4931

    If it would be anywhere check novara ME 1. If Mass Effect is able to weaponize it well enough they just went from Forrunners steam rolling them and Halo having a shoot to mabey havin a shot at bloodying the IoM in a space war.

  32. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 5:05 am -      #4932

    “Where as a Boarding Torpeado is launched as a topreado at short range from the ship like a missle.”
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    Would they have a tough time of working regular barriers would be repulsing them and cbt would alter there spin then around the ship. Either way the people inside are going to be rattled around inside… Do covie races throw up?
    Anyway there the also fact that they can up barriers inside the ship to contain thing inside.

  33. wpago July 7, 2013 at 5:06 am -      #4933

    Urdnot Lowk didnt keep that eye lookin thing out of the Normandy.

  34. Zazax July 7, 2013 at 5:07 am -      #4934

    “@ Zazax then the IoM has some OP Anti-matter.”
    Doesn’t surprise me. Warhammer’s always been a little fuzzy on the math. But, then again…
    tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale
    and
    tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WritersCannotDoMath
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    “ME has corporations using antimatter warheads as means of taking out mountain bases if there a critical containment failure and as weapons on orbital space stations.”
    Bonus points if you can find a quote that states how much antimatter is in each torpedo. That way we can calculate exactly how much damage these things would do.

  35. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 5:10 am -      #4935

    “If it would be anywhere check novara ME 1.”
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    I know been trying to find it, it’s just stated so casually instead of a oh shit moment I think I missed it. Might have to just play through that part.again…

  36. wpago July 7, 2013 at 5:19 am -      #4936

    Urdnot Lowk, that is the second best part of the game, the best part being when you bang Ashly Williams.

  37. Namer July 7, 2013 at 5:58 am -      #4937

    Damn, this really picked up.
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    @Wpago at #4933
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    The Oculus is the Reaper version of a fighter craft and are unleashed in massive swarms. Also, the Oculus that entered the Normandy used the closeness of the Debris field to sneak up and drill into the ship’s hull.
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    FTL in, FTL out. That is a very much plausible strategy on the ME side. In ME, space battles are only fought over points of strategic interest such as a Relay, Space Station or Planet.
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    With the Reapers and Leviathans on the ME side, they could build new relays, move and reposition old ones, hide away others, etc. They could also use Relays are star system destroying weapons. Hell, there are hundreds or thousands of unused relays scattered throughout the galaxy. just grab one, bring it near to a Halo System, chuck an asteroid onto it, and watch the supernova.

  38. wpago July 7, 2013 at 6:06 am -      #4938

    @Namer they use plasma breaching charges and plasma cutters to breach ships. I was just pointing out that your shields wouldnt keep the people from boarding.

    You have to do a heck of alot of work to make a star go super nova.

    We just have to deploy a NOVA. A bomb which can hurt and even destory some of the Imperium’s ships. It is measured in Penta-tons. We drop one at Palavans moon and it goes bye bye. Drop two at the citadeal and that goes bye bye. Drop a few aroudn every single primary relay you guys have and say bye bye again. So we can outdue your WMD’s. an Astroid can be targeted and shot down by a Smart AI.

    Also since we are going to fight over planets the UNSC has SMAC helping its’ fleets.

    Now for the Infinty, this is a ship that is giving as good as it gets in the malovence vs infinty topic. Which is a rare thing for non40k Stargate or Startrek ships to do to a Starwars ship.

  39. Namer July 7, 2013 at 8:01 am -      #4939

    @Wpago
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    And what exactly would boarding a ship accomplish ? Other than getting the boarders killed ?
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    You have all your numbers messed up. I don’t recall the NOVA being higher than high Gigatons or Low Teratons.
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    So…build hundreds of NOVA Bombs ? Locate each and every primary relay spread out throughout the entire ? Get a ship there and then blow it up ? The Mass Relays span the a whole galaxy and finding out the locations of every single one of them will be impossible without taking the Citadel itself.
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    As for the Citadel, I’m not wholly sure it will be damaged by a NOVA Bomb. When it closes it’s arms, it becomes nigh inpenetrable. The Only way in being the Conduit or the Reaper Beam (at the end of ME3). Plus, its mobile.
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    Asteroids won’t be targeted and shot down by Smart AIs. Get your statements right. The Asteroids will be large enough that ordinary MACs won’t cut it. And the UNSC does not have enough Super MACs to cover everything. The Infinity cannot be everywhere.
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    Please, do try to space your posts and get some grammar. Your posts give me a headache.

  40. wpago July 7, 2013 at 8:21 am -      #4940

    @ Namer, no where does it give you the exact strength of a Nova bomb. Only the damage and distance objects were. By using the Inverse squared Law you get the strength. x/ (4 * 3.14195… * 5,0002) = 4 Megatons per square kilometer to fragment a 2 km moon which requires 8 Megatons to be fragmented.

    x = 1.2 Petatons.

    Next most of the heavy military worlds do have enough SMAC to cover everything. Espically Earth. Also who said a few nukes (3 nukes equal 90 megatons) wouldnt be able to take it out an astroid?

    Also ANYTHING can be blown up. It just matters on howmuch force is needed to blow said thing up. What i was suggesting is Prowlers go drop them off and run like hell.

    You also seem to be thinking you know where ll our planetes are. As per Cole PRotical all navigational data, and anything that might lead you to another colony is to be destoryed upon the ship getting so much damage. We have an active protical for this, while you guys have all that on the extranet. Quite easy to get an AI into that. Just stop by a com bouy and put a AI into it.

    Also we do not need to destory all of the Primary relays only the following one’s: the Sol relay, the Turian Relay, the Asari Relay, and the Relay at the citadeal. That should hamper your ability to get around pretty well.

  41. wpago July 7, 2013 at 8:23 am -      #4941

    Forgot part of the math equation for it to make since for ya’ll:
    Calc: Apply the Inverse Squared Law: Source Energy / (4 * Pi * R2) the radius is the distance from the source to the range.

  42. mack006 July 7, 2013 at 9:39 am -      #4942

    Do you think this match will ever get an FP award? It is definitely worthy of one but the problem is that it is TOO close and that it could go on forever.

  43. Zazax July 7, 2013 at 10:37 am -      #4943

    “it is TOO close and that it could go on forever.”
    That really depends. Pending whatever the Janus Key gives Halo, and whatever is found regarding ME’s antimatter torpedoes. Either one of those could tilt this towards that side.

  44. Namer July 7, 2013 at 12:02 pm -      #4944

    @Wpago
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    You’re misunderstanding Mass Relays and their distribution. Primary Relays connect to each other over thousands of light years, while Secondary Relays connect to other relays within a certain LY radius (depending on the relay).
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    The Citadel is made up of the same material as the Mass Relays. They are quantum locked at sub-atomic levels. A Relay can easily survive the wake of a supernova. In addition, reaching the Citadel will be extremely hard. The Serpent Nebula prevents a fleet from arriving through conventional means, while the relay is a easy-to-defend position.
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    @Mack, It’s been 50 pages and no true outcome’s…out. Almost all the other matches on this scale have been decided…
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    As for Antimatter Torpedoes, Mass Effect already uses Antimatter thrusters. Torpedoes aren’t much of a stretch.

  45. Namer July 7, 2013 at 12:11 pm -      #4945

    Missed a line in the prev post, first paragraph,
    -
    The Charon Relay, Thessia, Palaven, Sur’kesh, or any other homeworld Relays are not necessarily Primary Relays. Destroying a Primary relay would just lengthen travel times between, say, Council Space and the Terminus, on opposite sides of the galaxy. To severely disrupt travel, Halo’d need to destroy multiple secondary relays, which is no mean feat.

  46. OberHerr July 7, 2013 at 3:33 pm -      #4946

    “One word “Reapers”; these guys make the flood look like kittens, and by kittens I mean kittens that where just born like 2 seconds ago.”
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    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
    -
    Ahhhhhh……yeah that made my day.

  47. wpago July 7, 2013 at 5:55 pm -      #4947

    @OberHerr reapers when they take something over only take advance life forms (Not dogs bears and such) Flood do, they also only need a single spore to destory the universe.

  48. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 7, 2013 at 5:59 pm -      #4948

    I must say however, if this fight includes Greg Bear anythings, it is over. End of discussion.

  49. OberHerr July 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm -      #4949

    @wpago
    Believe me, I know. They can also just use space magic to infect anything, can hack into all know computers with a little hardwave…….plus, they infect stuff in a few seconds. How long does it take Reapers to take something over?
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    @GB
    Pretty much. One FR ship would make this a stomp for Halo. And any access to the Flood….same thing.

  50. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 6:17 pm -      #4950

    @Oberherr
    Well to be fair Reapers are initially more dangerous then the flood before they’ve had time to grow. They can ftl on there own, transform others into superhuman creature, mind control from a distance, fire lasers beams, and can act as giant mecha on land. all for the start.
    ===
    For a series that seems to like going into details you’d figure they at least give a explanation on the antimatter weaponry. Anyway found the quote
    Shepard: And if the crew never sends an all-clear?
    Gianna: The executive board votes whether or not to destroy the facility. One antimatter warhead from the battlestations vaporizes all contaminates.
    The only feat I have is that in order to do that it would have to take out the mountain Peak 15 is built into.

  51. wpago July 7, 2013 at 6:18 pm -      #4951

    @Namer you are correct, my mistake. Just means we have to blow up secondary relays. Or just any relay we come across for that matter.

  52. wpago July 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm -      #4952

    Well so mass effect has its’ own counter for a nuke. To bad it is only on battlestations. Also i wish there was an a option in the game to say Drop the bomb! at that part

    Still we need to figure out the math for destorying peak 15.

    I am willing to bet some where around 10-15 megaton range.

  53. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 6:29 pm -      #4953

    Also antimatter is listed as on there list of wmds in the codex. There only not allowed to use them on garden worlds. Space, space station, and hostile worlds are okay though.

    So they do have them weaponized. We just don’t know how much bang they have.

  54. OberHerr July 7, 2013 at 6:29 pm -      #4954

    So, is it actually antimatter? Or just called that?

  55. Urdnot Lowk July 7, 2013 at 6:39 pm -      #4955

    “Space, space station, and hostile worlds are okay though.”
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    Should say
    IN Space, on space station, and on hostile worlds.
    Citadel only seems to be concerned with keeping useful life barring planets.
    ===
    “So, is it actually antimatter? Or just called that?”
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    It’s antimatter.

  56. wpago July 7, 2013 at 10:54 pm -      #4956

    Well the UNSC has slipspace bombs, just remebered that one. Get on near the citadeal make it go boom and watch as part of it is sent into slispace never to be seen again.

    I think we should wait on this for a while though. Mass Effect 4 and the Janus Key could make or break this.

  57. OberHerr July 7, 2013 at 11:01 pm -      #4957

    It is interesting that this match could potentially end up being the highest post count on this site.

  58. Watchdog Lowk July 7, 2013 at 11:07 pm -      #4958

    “Mass Effect 4 and the Janus Key could make or break this.”
    -
    I’m not even sure what ME 4 is going to be. I’m hoping for a continuation of the timeline but I’m not even sure ow they’re going to do that. Might just be one of those “along the events of 1-3″ type of things. So no real hopes for that turning up anything.

  59. erickyboo July 8, 2013 at 3:44 am -      #4959

    But Offensive Bias has fleet! They defeated Mendicant Bias and brought his tomb to the Ark and burried it under the sand. The IsoDidact and Riser witnessed it.

    And the control room entry talks about that in shield worlds, control room can be used to activate a fleet of ships or other hidden weapon.

    They found some forerunner armour belonging to a Prefect. They used it and the huragoks to apply the stuff to MJOLNIR gen 2.

    Covenant also have antimatter bombs. They destroyed orbital defense platforms with those.

    Forstencho is within 343 guilty spark/Chakas. Chakas’s last known position was at the Ark on board the UNSC Rubicon.

    Mid September we might know more with the essential visual guide and in a few days near my birthday we might also know more stuff with spartan assault.

    Here is a list of stuff found on Trevelyan:
    Huragoks
    Forerunner ships
    Time manipulation technology
    Forerunner carapace
    Juridical Monitor
    Portals
    Prefect personal armour
    Forerunner slipspace drive stuff
    Sentinels
    Historical accounts of forerunner events – bornstellar relationship and juridical stuff (halo Cryptum and halo Silentium).

    So what would happen if an advanced AI tried to, do stuff, to the Geth?

    Someone said something about flood/reapers and comparing them. The reapers started out big if I remember correctly. The flood started out smaller but expanded very rapidly. They retreated after a fake cure was made by the humans listening to the primordial. They came back and things went really bad. They expanded so rapidly! They could make giant flood mountains that could release flood stuff into the atmosphere and make it rain flood. They had forms which were more than a match for metarch-ancillas. They corrupted the forerunner’s AIs. The could even physically/digitally interact with AIs such as with Cortana. If a flood infection is not contained quickly, and I mean very quickly, then when it spreads, it spreads. Infection doesn’t really take a long time at all compared to the reapers. In more advanced forms, the flood could travel with neural physics stuff and not needing slipspace if I remember well/am correct.

  60. Namer July 8, 2013 at 5:47 am -      #4960

    There could be a ME4, but I heard Bioware say that if there is one, it will focus on a different perspective. Shepard’s story ended with the Trilogy
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    Greg Bear Canon shoots Halo right up to Warhammer or Star Wars level. Which makes this an utter stomp. Lets avoid that.
    -
    As for the Reaper-Food-Kitten trio…I’m pretty sure that was done back in the days of ME1…when Reapers were actually feared…
    -
    Just a little over 3 pages to go until it overtakes Wheel of Time-vs-Sword of Truth.
    -
    By the way, I had a idea. In ME, it should be possible to use a Biotic Barrier, Kinetic Barrier, Tech Armor and Fortification Shields all at once. All these operate on different mechanisms and should be compatible. Obviously PIS/CIS prevents it. Now imagine a Battlemaster with all that ..

  61. Watchdog Lowk July 8, 2013 at 6:19 am -      #4961

    “There could be a ME4, but I heard Bioware say that if there is one, it will focus on a different perspective. Shepard’s story ended with the Trilogy”
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    Oh there’s definitely going to be another. That much was certain considering how successful the series is. Just not sure when or what it going to be about other then no shepard.
    ===
    “By the way, I had a idea. In ME, it should be possible to use a Biotic Barrier, Kinetic Barrier, Tech Armor and Fortification Shields all at once. All these operate on different mechanisms and should be compatible. Obviously PIS/CIS prevents it. Now imagine a Battlemaster with all that ”
    -
    Basically just described what a Warlord would be capable of. However their tech barrier would probably mess up fortification.
    Regardless a Krogan Battlemaster with biotics is already capable of putting up a barrier over there KB which cover the armor which covers their skin which is already armor like. They’ve got enough barrier or armor as it is, a better idea is adding Omnishield and a battlehammer.

  62. Namer July 8, 2013 at 7:08 am -      #4962

    Battlehammer’s down pat :
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    images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles/1/5/5/1/8/3/5/135942329308.jpg/EG11/resize/600x-1/quality/91

  63. BC July 8, 2013 at 1:41 pm -      #4963

    “ You also seem to be thinking you know where ll our planetes are. As per Cole PRotical all navigational data, and anything that might lead you to another colony is to be destoryed upon the ship getting so much damage. We have an active protical for this, while you guys have all that on the extranet. Quite easy to get an AI into that. Just stop by a com bouy and put a AI into it. “
    -
    It is not as easy as that. The Covenant did not use much in the way of AIs and their security procedures were a joke. UNSC teams could (and did) use the same simple tricks against them over and over and it always worked because they never even attempted to fix the holes. That is not the case with ME forces.
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    ME VIs are quite sophisticated even though they are prevented from having a sense of self (though the Geth developed a kind of hive mind despite the efforts to suppress sentience). Alliance has been experimenting with true AI (which Cerberus stole and further developed) resulting in artificial lifeforms like EDI and with the Reapers as allies as well as the truth about what happened long ago known the ban on AIs would be relaxed or lifted altogether though long held beliefs will no doubt keep the anti-tampering in place for the foreseeable future.
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    Alliance and Quarrian science is the most advanced in this field but still the others are no slouches either. Their paranoia about AIs rebelling and taking over led to very sophisticated (and extreme) measures to stop one from taking over things which will make it very difficult for a Halo AI to break into ME systems.
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    “ Also we do not need to destory all of the Primary relays only the following one’s: the Sol relay, the Turian Relay, the Asari Relay, and the Relay at the citadeal. That should hamper your ability to get around pretty well. “
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    Those are not primary relays actually, they are local relays. Also the Citadel has three relays technically, the public one everyone uses, a primary relay built into (and hidden in) the structure of the station that the Reapers use for their initial surprise attack, and a personnel relay the Protheans developed but never had time to deploy beyond the one link between the Citadel and their research station.
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    -
    “ It is measured in Penta-tons “
    -
    PENTA-tons? You mean fives of tons? That does not seem very menacing … :)
    -
    Nova bombs take tremendous amounts of nuclear material to construct, they are good for a desperation move like the one in the book was used for but as a mass produced weapon it has potentially serious supply issues.
    -
    “ The UNSC has amazing artillery the SP42 Main Battle tank, has two modes lock down and normal. In lock down it functions as Artillery with 105mm rounds pounding targets very far away. It shoots two 105mm shells at a time. meaning it has the same force as 210mm shell. “
    -
    No it does not; it has the same power as two 105mm shells. The geometry of a normal shell does not work like that.
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    “ I calculated that the MA5C assault rifle can output 58+ kilojoules of kinetic energy per second. Halo 4′s assault rifle is the MA5D. “
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    It is basically a low end big game round. Of course the M16 of today fires a .223 varmint round so it does not take a lot to kill a human. Halo’s 9.5mm battle rifle round still does less than the average ME accelerator “rifle” does by a fairly high margin.
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    “ Halo human snipers use the 14.5×114 which is larger than a .50 cal. “
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    Yes, it is .57 cal. It is a decent round and somewhat more powerful than the typical ME rifle that humans usually use, the downside is that it only has four shots per clip and it is big and ungainly compared to ME rifles.
    -

  64. OberHerr July 8, 2013 at 1:45 pm -      #4964

    “Greg Bear Canon shoots Halo right up to Warhammer or Star Wars level. Which makes this an utter stomp. Lets avoid that.”
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    Actually, higher arguably.
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    But……I don’t want it to be a stomp….but if they can get the tech…….

  65. wpago July 8, 2013 at 6:31 pm -      #4965

    Greg Bear Canon shoots Halo right up to Warhammer or Star Wars level. Which makes this an utter stomp. Lets avoid that.”
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    ^ this i highly doubt. Because in Warhammer we have ships that can tank an entire armada for days and not even have their shields flicker. It takes an entire chapter ramming their chapter barrage into the ship and boarding it. Only to die to the last man just to destory the shields. Our main cannon on our dreadnoughts shoots ammo as big as the Empire state building.

    Anyways back on topic, Are we really really going to compare your VI’s with our Smart AI’s? Mabey the dumb ones, but our Smart AI’s? What is the processing power of the VI’s? Can they process millions of things in a second? Can they take initive and adapt? The UNSC cyberwar fare department is extremly extremly good. What cole protocol does is this:

    To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers. If any Covenant forces are detected:
    These are the known Articles
    Article 1
    1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks.
    2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized.
    3. Execute viral data scavengers (Download from EPWW:COLEPROTOCOL/Virtualscav/fbr.091)
    4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center. 5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct.
    Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution.

    Subection 7:
    No captured Covenant craft may be taken to human controlled space without an exhaustive search for tracking systems that could lead the Covenant to Human bases.

    Usage:
    The Cole Protocol’s core aim was to prevent the Covenant from locating the precise vectors of Earth or any of the other remaining UNSC colonies. As such, its usage is universal – from warships, to freighters, to even stationary space stations in inertial orbit. For structures that are incapable of leading Covenant forces to a colony, the purging of their navigational data banks is still mandatory, and self-destruct options exist to prevent the capture of any remaining data or crew.

    Your looking at the Mass Effect Navies having to search every cluster they come across. In every direction. This will slow your forces down immentsly. Allowing the UNSC to planet plenty of mines in systems your likly to go into.

    We are also looking at a post war, were never going to be the under dog again mentallty, UNSC. They made the Infinty, you can rest easy knowing they are making as many NovaBombs as possible.

    “No it does not; it has the same power as two 105mm shells. The geometry of a normal shell does not work like that.”

    The kintect force of 2 105mm shells when they hit the same target will double the kintect force. Making it have the same kinetic impact of a 210mm.

    Now please I would love to get into Your VI’s trying to handle a Smart AI on the level of Roland. Whom is more advance than Cortana.

  66. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm -      #4966

    Why don’t you explain the capacities of this Roland and other Smart A.I. in detail for the opposition to ponder?

  67. wpago July 8, 2013 at 7:05 pm -      #4967

    @ Gluttonous-Behemoth my pleasure my friend

    Here is what a Smart AI is:
    A “Smart” AI is the colloquial term in the UNSC for AIs which have no limitations in their dynamic memory-processor matrix, meaning they can not only be taught a vast wealth of information, but can learn and comprehend from their surroundings.

    Due to their uninhibited matrix design, “Smart” AIs proved capable of intellectual development. This was manifested in that they could both learn from and adapt to situations and events.

    They are also being qouted in game as being able to process millions of equations with in the time it takes to open your mouth. Cortana

    When Cortana spoke to Roland he said by the time you already reached your conclusion I have as well and have processessed even more.

    so for math purposes were going to go for the Low end.

    It takes a second for a human to think to say a word and open his mouth, Meaning Cortana processess millions of things a Second.

    Now please give us the specs of your VI’s EDI, and the Geth.

  68. Watchdog Lowk July 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm -      #4968

    “Alliance has been experimenting with true AI (which Cerberus stole and further developed) resulting in artificial lifeforms like EDI and with the Reapers as allies as well as the truth about what happened long ago known the ban on AIs would be relaxed or lifted altogether though long held beliefs will no doubt keep the anti-tampering in place for the foreseeable future.”
    -
    Citadel allowed others to study and develop AI as well. But it was sanctioned. Alliance did it illegally, because humans are rebels that can’t be tamed by space politics.
    ===
    “Anyways back on topic, Are we really really going to compare your VI’s with our Smart AI’s? Mabey the dumb ones, but our Smart AI’s?”
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    Who compared VI to smart AI? There meant to just handle a lot of information quickly that we wouldn’t be able to do. The don’t think for themselves they just do. I mean you could probably add some of them together to make them more powerful but they still wouldn’t have the adapt/learn thing unless you got a lot of them together like what the geth used to be.
    ===
    “What is the processing power of the VI’s? Can they process millions of things in a second? Can they take initive and adapt?”
    -
    No, ME’s AI comparable to that though.
    ===
    “Your looking at the Mass Effect Navies having to search every cluster they come across. In every direction. This will slow your forces down immentsly. Allowing the UNSC to planet plenty of mines in systems your likly to go into.”
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    I already posted info that ME is able to scan the entire galaxy and get enemy locations in real time…

  69. Kytheros July 8, 2013 at 7:09 pm -      #4969

    “We are also looking at a post war, were never going to be the under dog again mentallty, UNSC. They made the Infinty, you can rest easy knowing they are making as many NovaBombs as possible. “
    -
    Please explain the contradiction inherent with tossing Halsey in a hole.
    Oh … and ordering her killed instead of retrieved. Palmer could have shot Jul instead of Halsey.
    Sure, you put Halsey up on charges of war crimes relating to the creation of the Spartan-IIs … and did nothing about the Spartan-III creators, or any of the other shit that ONI pulled and is pulling. And you armed the Covenant-loyalists who believe humans are an affront to the Gods and want to activate the Halos – and are/were still arming them right on up.
    Oooh, and let’s not forget – Halsey’s a fucking genius, so even when you bother to use her brains after tossing her in a hole to rot for a few years, let’s deny her crucial information.
    -
    Yeah, that really leads me to think the UNSC is being well managed.

  70. wpago July 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm -      #4970

    @ Watchdog Lowk Really, then why was it so hard to find TIM? If they can scan the entire galaxy shouldnt they of been able to find TIM sooner than what they did?

    Also someone did compare VIs to AIs.

    BC saying that VIs were sufisticated enough to be able to stop our AIs. Mabey EDI might have a shot. That is also assumming were not comparing her to some like Roland. Who is able to work around his own failsafe. Which EDI was unable to do with out Joker’s help in ME 2 when the collectors boarded.

    Now Cerberus is dead. Which means your not going to do things that are nessary because of Morals. ONI, well ONI just dosent care. Oh your a child? to bad your going to be a SPARTAN II.

  71. Watchdog Lowk July 8, 2013 at 7:24 pm -      #4971

    “Now please give us the specs of your VI’s EDI, and the Geth.”
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    Those aren’t V.I… Do you want info on VI or AI?

  72. wpago July 8, 2013 at 7:24 pm -      #4972

    @ Kytheros If i am not mistaken Ackerson died on Reach. Meaning they cant punish a dead guy. Also they do use Halsey all the time. Sure she is kept in a cell, but she is stilled used as the leading Forrunner Expert. Even then it is not what they are charging her with. They are charging her with Kidnapping of UNSC Personal. (First strike is where this happened) Much differnt.

    Now as for th eUNSC supplying the Anti-humans. They are doing it to keep the Elites from posing a threat to Humanity. Much like the U.S. supplying the Muggadhden to fight the Soviets.

  73. wpago July 8, 2013 at 7:25 pm -      #4973

    @ watchdog lowk “Those aren’t V.I… Do you want info on VI or AI?”

    Both, as well as the Geth please.

  74. OberHerr July 8, 2013 at 7:29 pm -      #4974

    “this i highly doubt. Because in Warhammer we have ships that can tank an entire armada for days and not even have their shields flicker. It takes an entire chapter ramming their chapter barrage into the ship and boarding it. Only to die to the last man just to destroy the shields. Our main cannon on our dreadnoughts shoots ammo as big as the Empire state building. ”
    -
    Oh believe me, the Forerunners could take down the IoM, and probably a good deal of other WH40k things themselves. They not only have more powerful, more crazy-ass tech, but they also can build it at insane rates. Just go to the GE vs. Forerunner thread on the “most posts” list for details.

  75. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 8, 2013 at 7:40 pm -      #4975

    @Wpago
    The difference is that Mujahideen weren’t already hostile towards the U.S. in the “Utter Genocidal intent” way.
    -
    Supplying maniacs while risking alienation of the faction you are currently allied with does not seem like an intelligent tactic to use. Variations of the same basic idea yes, but not this specific case.

  76. Watchdog Lowk July 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm -      #4976

    “Really, then why was it so hard to find TIM? If they can scan the entire galaxy shouldnt they of been able to find TIM sooner than what they did?”
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    This was something recent they got while working on the crucible. Not to mention he had more then one base.
    ===
    “Now Cerberus is dead. Which means your not going to do things that are nessary because of Morals.”
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    Cerberus was only humanity’s rich badside. ME still has scientist trying to push the boundaries, two tech savvy gang, omega, spectres, corporations, and each of the other civilization’s hidden bits they don’t share with everyone. Most notably salarians. Hell Asari kept the whole prothean knowledge thing to themselves and turians kept secrets like a planet cracking bomb on the Krogan’s world.
    ===
    “BC saying that VIs were sufisticated enough to be able to stop our AIs.”
    -
    Was he talking about UNSC’s badass AI? or whatever the covies were using that the Cortana shit on, which is like the only thing I recall about that subject? Either way VI probably aren’t the best thing to use.

  77. Watchdog Lowk July 8, 2013 at 8:19 pm -      #4977

    “Both, as well as the Geth please.”
    -
    K
    ===
    Geth Before the being upgraded to true AI-dom.
    “We think at the speed of light. In the time it takes you to voice a question I could review all my time aboard Normandy.”
    -Legion
    ===
    Geth hive mind before being upgraded was compared to a the size of a galactic arm.
    ===
    Admiral Hackett on VI
    “V.I. process thousands of status reports and react in nanoseconds, no human can do that.”
    ===
    AI can stay active for 8,000 years
    “A breakthrough today in the case of the mysterious “ghost ship” in the Antilin System: Famed exo-biologist Jordan Detweiler from MIT’s Extraterrestrial Studies Group traveled to the ship, now held in quarantine. Detweiler engaged the ship’s AI system, which has been piloting the craft for an undetermined number of years and appears to be the sole sentient lifeform onboard. Given previous failed communication attempts, Detweiler explained how he succeeded: “In rudimentary terms, it was an I.Q. test. The ship’s AI was determining that we weren’t some band of dullard space pirates, that we understood things like quantum string theory, emergent systems, and a host of other advanced concepts. I was able to satisfy its demands and gain access to the interior. I need to do more analysis, but I think this is the exo-archaeological find of the century. I will say that the ship appears to be at least 8,000 years old.”
    -Breakthrough in Communication with Antilin Ghost Ship”

    ===
    Basic AI tech the Alliance developed 29 years ago before joining the rest of the galactic civilization.
    “You of all people should understand,” the captain added. “Without rudimentary AI technology we’d all be living under turian rule right now.”
    It was true. Alliance military strategy relied heavily on highly advanced combat simulation programs. Collating millions of variables each second, the simulations would analyze a massive data bank of scenarios, helping to provide constant updates on optimized tactics and strategies to the commanders of each Alliance vessel.

    ME: Revelation, Pg.118
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    Handles 7 zettabytes as a joke
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e16wp9swLuo#t=111s
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    Unfinished reaper’s Brain
    “The Illusive Man salvaged the most valuable part of the human proto-Reaper under construction by the Collectors: its central processor. This “brain” has been reactivated for use as a computational device, crunching unheard amounts of data in nanoseconds. The Crucible’s engineers are dissecting the processor, working in strictly supervised, drone-assisted shifts. While direct contact with Reapers is dangerous, the engineers feel the risk is worth the potential discovery of vulnerabilities in Reaper construction.
    Think this also counts as a feat for EDI, her Sister EVA, and possibly their… Children(?) since they are based on reaper tech.

  78. wpago July 9, 2013 at 4:11 am -      #4978

    @ Watchdog Lowk “This was something recent they got while working on the crucible. Not to mention he had more then one base.”

    Proof, I’ve played around 50 times through Mass Effect, i know i know no life, and i have never ever heard of this.
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    “V.I. process thousands of status reports and react in nanoseconds”
    We do Millions with PreCortana Smart AI. This is Each Smart AI which every ship has a Smart AI.

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    “Geth hive mind before being upgraded was compared to a the size of a galactic arm.”

    Once again proof please.
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    IIRC geth are only pretty dumb by themselfs, were as a Smart AI still processes Millions of things just as fast by themselfs. When you get an entire Battlegroup togeather and every Ship AI works togeather your looking at tens and hundreds of Millions of things a second depending on the fleet size.

  79. erickyboo July 9, 2013 at 4:16 am -      #4979

    I doubt Joker has 7 zettabytes stored… Probably copies of the same material. Roland was able to decrypt two layers of 64 zettabyte encryption from a forerunner terminal using Crimson’s shortwave to connect I believe. Also I don’t think geth can think at the speed of light… Wouldn’t that be impossible without violating normal physics?

    Kytheros… Doesn’t seem to have the best understanding of things. ‘Telcam is ONI’s puppet basically to keep sangheilios in disarray.

    Halsey’s thing was due to the clones, there are also other things. Looking back at it, very immoral. It’s funny how people fail to account that she overrid a military AI, contacted the enemy and was preparing to leave without permission. She’s ONI material, she was chief scientist at ONI.

    The battle rifle likely uses better propellant than the MA5C. I don’t know essential stats for MA5D though. The magnum’s bullets and battle rifle’s are experimental high-explosive semi-armour-piercing. It’s not crazy to think that the sniper also uses better propellant. The covenant use the beam rifle, two models exist, they also use the focus rifle. The Prometheans end war have the binary rifle for big targets and lots of stopping power.

    Ugh I should be sleeping.

    I played some spartan ops on legendary earlier, I had Promethean knights teleporting when I was about to punch or do something to them. They tend to teleport behind someone. While mass effect has their radars, it doesn’t seem always active considering Kai Lang got the surprise on Shepard and EDI. Seems more like a manual check is needed. If the graph is correct, MJOLNIR seems to detect movement at ranges of 500m as well. It can detect energy signatures as well, like translocation. Covenant active camouflage can mask nuke’s signatures. Did anyone check out what kind of handling power the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn had in atmosphere at the Ark when it landed? That was pretty impressive for a nearly half a kilometer ship. So September 15 we might have nice information about several stuff in halo 4. Later this month we should have some stuff between halo 3-4 but I doubt we can find anything substantial as far as numbers go.

    I guess one could put an over shield on a spartan, then have a protector drone deploy a shield over his over shield, the over shield would be dependent on the protector’s drone shield. Also maybe have “invincibility equipment modules” maybe with a few armour modifications to increase recharge speed and rate and maybe a regeneration field. I wonder if one could then also install an aggressor’s shield. MJOLNIR is also capable of self-repair, so that’s not lacking there. Maybe have a hard light shield? Anyways. One of the halo’s fired at another galaxy by the way. The covenant were able to slipspace inside the planet’s core. I wonder if halo forces could slipspace inside a closed Citadel.

    Almost finished mass effect 3. I have about 3k galactic thingy but got to bring stuff up to 100%. Mass effect people are very stupid a lot of times it seems… Their politicians seem like a big weigh. I’m also excited to get my spartan an armour upgrade from vanguard to forerunner prefect armour! Then I’ll have full forerunner set!

  80. wpago July 9, 2013 at 4:39 am -      #4980

    “I doubt Joker has 7 zettabytes stored” Me i dont doubt he owns ever single porno every created. Dont think it is Zetabyters though… Mabey terrabytes.

  81. BC July 9, 2013 at 5:22 am -      #4981

    “ The Cole Protocol’s core aim was to prevent the Covenant from locating the precise vectors of Earth or any of the other remaining UNSC colonies. “
    -And-
    “ Your looking at the Mass Effect Navies having to search every cluster they come across. In every direction. This will slow your forces down immentsly. Allowing the UNSC to planet plenty of mines in systems your likly to go into. ”

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    By the time of “Ghosts of Onyx” they do not seem to be using the Cole protocol anymore. Of course both sides would have to search the same way, each has navigational data that depends on something the other side has no way to translate. ME has no frame of reference to interpret slipspace coordinates and Halo has no frame of reference as to where the relays are from the routing charts neither one uses realspace coordinates.
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    It is not unusual for an ME ship to go to a fairly nearby location via relay by way of the other end of the galaxy because of the way the hierarchy of relays works that makes that route faster than working their way between multiple secondary relays. While the system is a self-healing, self-adjusting mesh network not everything has high speed primary links to everything else and the fastest routes tend to be long range ones. Halo forces would have an interesting time trying to follow ships doing that…
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    “ Anyways back on topic, Are we really really going to compare your VI’s with our Smart AI’s? Mabey the dumb ones, but our Smart AI’s? What is the processing power of the VI’s? Can they process millions of things in a second? Can they take initive and adapt? The UNSC cyberwar fare department is extremly extremly good. “
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    Don’t underestimate the ME cyberwarfare systems, they are completely different from their Halo counterparts but then the tech itself is quite different. Talking about “a VI” is pointless; you will not find one alone, they are always in arrays. There will be several working together and at least one and probably more shadowing them to check for anomalies like their safeties are breaking down and they are going sentient or someone outside is tampering with them. The UNSC paranoia about the Covenant finding Earth is less than the paranoia the Council has about artificials.
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    There are exceptions to that of course, the Quarrians were not unduly concerned until the Council started rubbing off on them which lead to the Geth revolution. The Alliance likewise pushes the envelope and produces true AIs under very controlled conditions. Cerberus actually used Reaper technology in producing EDI though they made sure she thought as much like a human (though a lot faster) as possible to avoid her coming to unacceptable though logical conclusions like the Reapers did. That does not mean they are sloppy with security tough.
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    “ The kintect force of 2 105mm shells when they hit the same target will double the kintect force. Making it have the same kinetic impact of a 210mm. “
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    Sorry, it just does not work that way.
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    “ Now please I would love to get into Your VI’s trying to handle a Smart AI on the level of Roland. Whom is more advance than Cortana. “
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    How smart the thing is has nothing to do with it. A VI does not hack by itself though a biological may use a VI system as a hacking tool, and unless a network of them reaches sentience by forming a hive mind they would not be very good without a bio operator. That does not mean they would be easy to hack by something like a Halo AI however, they have an insane level of protection from the anti-sentience safeties. EDI could hack very well because she had an encrypted library of codes, keys, and other inside information on the regular ships she would tamper with, and the Collectors were about as sloppy as the Covenant so they were relatively easy to hack too.
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    The massively parallel VI hive-mind of the Geth is capable of considerable creativity and adaptability, as is EDI. Even a regular VI system is adaptable (though not creative) and can figure out standardized solutions to problems quickly if authorized to do so, they have considerable safeguards to keep them from doing actions that could be interpreted as hostile to their makers however which does limit their choices a bit. VI units are not allowed a sense of self but they are not simple to hack.
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    “ BC saying that VIs were sufisticated enough to be able to stop our AIs. “
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    No I did not, what I said is that the VI systems are by their design inherently resistant to hacking. It is not quite the same thing.

  82. Namer July 9, 2013 at 6:20 am -      #4982

    Puhh-Lease Wpago. The Internet already has more than a few terabytes worth of porn. Add another 170 years of growth, plus a whole galaxy’s addition, and I have no trouble believing the Zettabyes figure.
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    The geth can think at the speed of light, and keep connected across half a galaxy. This isn’t an estimate or speculation but a stated fact.
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    If you suggest that AIs can think more creatively than VIs, then know that VIs usually have removable limiters that keep them doing a single or limited range of tasks. Additionally, the Geth can have more processing power than all the UNSC AIs put together.

  83. Watchdog Lowk July 9, 2013 at 6:25 am -      #4983

    “Proof, I’ve played around 50 times through Mass Effect, i know i know no life, and i have never ever heard of this.”
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    I did last page
    Normally interferometric arrays are used to analyze planetary landmasses, or to determine the astrophysical properties of stellar systems. The powerful array salvaged from the Hercules system can be used for something much more ambitious: the Crucible tunes into the mass relays’ command switches. Installing the interferometric array into the Crucible’s systems results in a real-time map of the entire galaxy, including the position of each and every Reaper in the Milky Way.
    -War Assets/Crucible: Interferometric Array
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    “We do Millions with PreCortana Smart AI.”
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    We know. It been gone over with several times already.
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    “Once again proof please.”
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    This was before Geth becoming full AI
    Legion is a thousand voices talking at once. What it contacted was beyond my comprhension. A mind the size of a galactic arm.
    -EDI
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    What with all the sudden Proof thing? Most of what I’ve been doing is supplying info.
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    “IIRC geth are only pretty dumb by themselfs”
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    That was regular Geth before they each got upgraded to true AI by the reaper code.
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    “Also I don’t think geth can think at the speed of light… Wouldn’t that be impossible without violating normal physics?”
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    Pretty sure a geth knows how geth functions. Also Reapers, biotics, and ftl kind of already are kind of doing that to physics aren’t they?
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    “Dont think it is Zetabyters though… Mabey terrabytes.”
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    It was stated Zettabytes in canon. So it’s zettabytes.

  84. wpago July 9, 2013 at 6:47 am -      #4984

    @ watchdog for the proof thing i was just wondering where you got your info is all.

    For your map locator thingy mabobby for some reason reading that it seems to me that it is showing the IFF singatures of the Reapers.

    Also good god Joker, why why…. Zeta bytes of porn really? How desperate can you be? I mean Kelly was not far away from you and Lord knows their were plenty of Females on that ship.

    As for the geth becoming Full AI are we going post final battle of Earth? If so Mass Effect dosent have as big of a military at all anymore. So either the Geth are True AI or it is pre-mass effect three. As the Reaper incusion wiped out most of the galaxies forces. They won through the skin of their teeth.

    Where as Halo has had time to rebuild.

  85. Watchdog Lowk July 9, 2013 at 7:00 am -      #4985

    “For your map locator thingy mabobby for some reason reading that it seems to me that it is showing the IFF singatures of the Reapers.”
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    It says nothing about IFF signatures.
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    “As for the geth becoming Full AI are we going post final battle of Earth?”
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    Geth were turned full AI before the final battle… Thats only about halfway through the game.
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    “As the Reaper incusion wiped out most of the galaxies forces. They won through the skin of their teeth.
    Where as Halo has had time to rebuild.”
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    The epilogue stated that ME had rebuilt and that they were planning on trying to push futher then what they were.

  86. BC July 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm -      #4986

    “ Also good god Joker, why why…. Zeta bytes of porn really? How desperate can you be? I mean Kelly was not far away from you and Lord knows their were plenty of Females on that ship. “
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    Some people collect stamps, apparently Joker collects porn. Like some of the more prolific collectors he may not even have seen all of it, like the kind that collects by the crate (or like comics by the box) and only makes a cursory check to make sure it is intact before going on to the next thing. I used to know a guy who had several hard drives full of music (it was a while ago), hundreds of hours’ worth (he mentioned that the player he had on his computer would only queue up about a weeks’ worth at a time and so he was looking for one with a better queue) and he was always on the hunt for more even though he had more than he could use because it became a kind of acquisition game in itself.
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    “ As for the geth becoming Full AI are we going post final battle of Earth? If so Mass Effect dosent have as big of a military at all anymore. So either the Geth are True AI or it is pre-mass effect three. As the Reaper incusion wiped out most of the galaxies forces. They won through the skin of their teeth.

    Where as Halo has had time to rebuild. “
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    Earlier (pages and pages back) it was mostly settled as ME3 just before the final battle/crucible thing since the endings at that time (it was the original set) effectively killed Mass Effect in every branch so the “latest living incarnation” thing kicked in. There were still quite a few forces at that time. One of the new endings would probably work too though, the epilog does mention that they rebuilt and a small cutscene shows Reapers building a new mass relay.
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