Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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6,630 Comments on "Halo Vs Mass Effect"

  1. Phenonemis September 19, 2010 at 9:54 am -      #401

    These are officially my 2 favourite games EVA!!! But i just gotta say Halo. The Flood just destroys everything. And i don’t care what you say, a Reaper is not as big as the covenant’s destroyers. High Charity is bigger than the Citadel. The Humans also have the Spartans. The Spartans are seemingly able to wade through infinite armies of covenant. Shepard may be badass, but the magnitude of things the Chief has taken on just super-ultra-extreme pwns just about everything. The thing i find interesting is how both civilisations rose to power through finding artifacts of older yet more advanced civilisations. The Forerunners tech vs. The Reapers tech. I’m sorry, but the Halos kill all sentient life. The Reapers are in sentient life. Any civilisation that can build that type of stuff really can’t lose. and If worst comes to worst, and Halo was gonna lose, fire up the rings, and everything dies, therefore resulting in victory for Halo (Since in MW2, nuking yourself and all your allies results in a victory for you, surely this must work the same way?)

  2. Cargo September 19, 2010 at 10:31 am -      #402

    “The Reapers are in sentient life.”

    But are mechanical in nature, the Halos only kill organic sentience.

  3. Lowk September 19, 2010 at 11:36 am -      #403

    I don’t think they’ll nerf the Reapers, shepherd and team will probably find the weapon that punched through that Reapers and made a canyon in the planet behind it.

  4. NemoVonUtopia September 19, 2010 at 4:37 pm -      #404

    Shepard is seemingly able to wade through infinite armies of geth.

    Reapers are far more devious than Forerunners. They built the mass relays and the Citadel in order to kill all sentient life. They have probably killed more beings than halos ever had, they have completed at least 2 (most likley more) extermination cycles.

  5. Siggymansz September 20, 2010 at 1:49 am -      #405

    “Reapers are far more devious than Forerunners. ‘

    Forerunners never tried to be Devious
    (granted Forerunners were inbred retards, but saying X is more Z then Y when Y never got a chance to show how Z it was is just unfair)

  6. NemoVonUtopia September 20, 2010 at 6:28 pm -      #406

    @Siggymansz

    True

    I will attempt to put ME ship’s KB in a rough range.

    Dreadnaughts shoot 38 kt every 2 sec. The Codex states that battles can go on for hours, therefore two deadnaughts should be able to withstand at least 2 hour bombardments, so

    2hours x 3600= 7200seconds
    7200/2=3600shots
    3600 x 38=136800kt
    136800=136megatons

    I know that the calculation is rough, but it gives a minimun KB strenght. I also know that MACs are around tetaton level.

    In retrospect, this is kinda useless but oh well.

  7. Siggymansz September 21, 2010 at 7:53 am -      #407

    136 MT shields for the strongest ship class ME has……………..Cool (discounting Reapers)

  8. Wraith1551 September 21, 2010 at 9:35 am -      #408

    Why must you be so close to realistic Mass Effect! D=

    Anyway…. Im just gonna say tie? I dont want ME to lose but at the same time I know there gonna have a hell of a time trying to win this. WAIT! Waht if the Salarians cured the Genophage and unleashed the Krogan on Halo? =D

    (Obviously now im just shooting out random thoughts and could care less about the winner.)

  9. Wraith1551 September 21, 2010 at 9:37 am -      #409

    Also does the power spectrum go like this?

    Kilo->Mega->Giga->Tera?

  10. NemoVonUtopia September 21, 2010 at 6:16 pm -      #410

    If ME can close to close range, out of MAC range, they stand a chance against UNSC. Disruptor torpedos and lasers would be effective against Halo’s titanium armor and KBs could withstand the pt defence and missles better. ME’s Kilimanjaro class dreadnaught has 78 broadside guns on each side.

    What is the minimun effective target size for MACs? Could they target cruisers and frigates?

    Halo pt defence and Archer systems are computer controlled, ME may be able to hack them.

    If ME can close on Halo ships they have a much better chance of winning.

  11. Siggymansz September 22, 2010 at 4:53 am -      #411

    “ME may be able to hack them.”

    No they won’t

    I already explained this, A program that does aLimited number of things in response to a limited number of things Vs an A.I. made from flash cloned Brains

    A.I. Wins

    “If ME can close on Halo ships they have a much better chance of winning.”

    Against UNSC yes there chances of winning a Battle are slightly higher
    Against Covenant No There chances go down Quite a bit
    (but if they stayed at long range its a bit better)

    “Also does the power spectrum go like this?”
    Yes there are things higher then Tera tho (like Petaton, exaton,zettaton,yottaton)

    ..”Anyway…. Im just gonna say tie”
    1. There are no Ties on BankGambling, Only Cease Fires between Sides
    2. thats a Cop Out if i ever saw one
    3. If you can’t win, You Concede

  12. NemoVonUtopia September 23, 2010 at 5:16 pm -      #412

    I wasn’t talking about VI, but AIs like EDI, geth, and Reapers.

    Yah, no chance with Covies.

  13. Siggymansz September 25, 2010 at 1:26 am -      #413

    “but AIs like EDI, geth, and Reapers.”

    Reapers – Wait till ME3

    ME’s True AI – (EDI like) Yes i’m sure they could hack for a time before the Halo A.Is kicked them out

    ME’s “Dumb” AI – (Geth) Well Geth are pretty much a single program….but in there Shells (Bodies) there are thousands upon thousands of them soooooo No
    (see V.I arguement only change V.I. to Geth)

    however i don’t see Halo A.I.s hacking Geth

  14. NemoVonUtopia September 26, 2010 at 8:50 pm -      #414

    I wouldn’t call geth dumb AIs, en mass they are very smart and are evolving. If Legion had any feeling they would be hurt.

    The Rapers/Collecters hacked EDI so they could hack others.

  15. Siggymansz September 27, 2010 at 12:15 am -      #415

    “I wouldn’t call geth dumb AIs

    1 Geth is 1 Program……………..1 Geth Shell is Thousands upon Thousands of Programs

    You said ““but AIs like EDI, geth, and Reapers.””

    Geht only achive a “kind of” A.I when they have thousands of other Geth to cover everything they can’ do

    For more detail See my V.I Vs A.I Arguement

    “The Reapers/Collecters hacked EDI so they could hack others.”

    You Know my Stance on Reapers already; I think we should wait to ME3

    “en mass they are very smart and are evolving”

    if it helps any, I don’t think Halo A.Is could hack Geth Shells

  16. NemoVonUtopia September 27, 2010 at 6:25 pm -      #416

    I think it would be interesting if Reapers killed everything in ME3, slightly dissapointing but interesting.

  17. Siggymansz September 27, 2010 at 6:36 pm -      #417

    “slightly dissapointing but interesting.”

    that would be Interesting

  18. the_man_with The_Answers September 27, 2010 at 6:47 pm -      #418

    Ya, if you had to play against them an they just end up killing you all that would kinda be interesting, but yet suck.

  19. Belisaurius October 3, 2010 at 11:41 am -      #419

    …wait, I forgot about the distruptor torpedoes.

    Those things are heavy enough to pierces kinetic berriers but light enough for fighters to spam them.

    Detonations work on a gravitic level that covenant shields aren’t designed for. Point defense would catch a few, but there are far too many to stop them all.

  20. renesaG October 16, 2010 at 8:06 pm -      #420

    Hey guys I’m back. I know I had a total mental breakdown and I’m sorry for the things I said. Anyways I just wanted to say 27km covenant super carriers. Retcon. Also to add to that is the ability to cloak one of those mother effers.

  21. the_man_with The_Answers October 16, 2010 at 8:23 pm -      #421

    What type of weapons do stations like the Unyeilding Heirphont have? I know that it is the size of a small-medium sized moon but I’m not sure about weapon capabilities.

  22. renesaG October 16, 2010 at 8:28 pm -      #422

    About the same weapon systems as high charity I think. I would check halopedia. The info on there is rarely wrong despite what others may say.

  23. Lowk November 1, 2010 at 2:10 pm -      #423

    So I’ve read that halo’s MAC has had some changes. Would those changes make this a fair fight or does Halo still stomp?

  24. IvanTih November 1, 2010 at 2:39 pm -      #424

    @Lowk
    MAC is still superior in the terms firepower,but it’s slower.

  25. Siggymansz November 29, 2010 at 11:37 am -      #425

    Halo: Reach Retcon lulz leaves 90% of my Arguement null and void

    Mass Effect For the BankGambling Award

  26. Axalon November 29, 2010 at 11:59 am -      #426

    Halo: Reach must’ve messed up a lot of things. It ended up costing the UNSC against Starfleet, and it looks like the Covenant will fall against them too. What in the world was changed?

  27. Siggymansz November 29, 2010 at 12:30 pm -      #427

    “What in the world was changed?”

    Firepower has gone from Teraton to Megaton- Kiloton- Sub-Kiloton

    and Current Incarnation screws everyone in Halo Over aswell

  28. Axalon November 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm -      #428

    Ah. I see.

    Mass Effect for the FP Award, +2

  29. Lowk November 29, 2010 at 1:48 pm -      #429

    “Firepower has gone from Teraton to Megaton- Kiloton- Sub-Kiloton”

    Even the covenant? That’s is one hell of a downgrade.

  30. Darkbladex96 November 29, 2010 at 2:16 pm -      #430

    Ha ha ha…ME wins because of the shit firepower MAC guns have shown.

  31. CRACKSHOT99 November 30, 2010 at 3:21 pm -      #431

    Wow, this has changed quite a bit since last time I went on here.

    With Forerunner Saga, there latest one, Cryptm, coming out on the 4th January, we really need to wait another month to get a better look on the acient race.

    Halo would probably go on the defensive, with the ability to jump quicker to locations than ME they’d use that to their advantage to halt and attack.

    About the MAC, I don’t know ME’s shield strength but reading earlier posts they seem weaker than Covenant ones. As soon as the two fleets are engage, as long as the ME fleet is in range, every Human ship will be firing ‘slugs’ at 12,500 kilometres per second. It takes three shots to take out a Covie ship so probably so it should be easier to take a ME ship out. As well as that, there’ll be at least two Covenant supercruisers, in the huge collection of ships, with a much longer range than any Human ship. Its energy projector fires with extreme accuracy and can blast through several UNSC ships. As the remaining ME ships come in, there’ll be overwhelmed by hundreds of plasma torpedoes, energy projectors, pulse lasers, archer missiles etc. I don’t know the size of either fleets, but I know the fleets around High Charity consisted of hundreds of ships. And the fleet that was sent to destroy Earth had at least 500 ships. I can’t find an exact number of ME ships, anyone have a source? Not much on shield strength or hull strength either.

  32. Vercetti24 December 4, 2010 at 6:22 am -      #432

    UNSC would win because they not only outnumber the Citadel Fleet, ME Dreadnoughts gut pretty much every ship below their class or atleast bring their barriers down. That’s just only 38 kiloton, seeing as a UNSC frigate is already twice as powerful what would the Trafalgar do to ME ships? I’m pretty sure 38 kilotons won’t have much effect on 30m of Titanium-A Armor…
    UNSC loves their Archers, GARDIAN defenses would get overwhelmed without any problem, I doubt ME barriers could hold off hunderds of them, especially since they would basically cover their entire tiny ships and ME seems to have the same problem Star Trek has, their ships lack any kind of serious armor, hell even Sovereign got gutted by a shot from a FRIGATE. Of course the other thing UNSC loves are nukes (which the Council banned) I’m pretty sure their nukes have yields in megatons and since ME ships get owned by 38 kilotons I don’t think I have to explain that…

    And what of course brilliant UNSC tacticians would notice is that kinetic barriers also don’t work against slow moving objects, I’m pretty sure Keyes and Cole would use it to their advantage.
    Tactic UNSC could use:
    Spam Archers to overhwelm their GARDIAN defenses, fire the SHIVAs.
    Or Prowlers could just simply lay down nuclear minefields.
    Or fire Splazers at the frigates for the lolz
    Or go for the easy way and NOVA the Citadel…

    A Super MAC would probably one shot a Reaper…

    Covenant vs ME is a joke, kinetic barriers only stop kinetic weapons. Pulse Lasers alone would be already a nightmare to ME. Covies would defeat the Reapers without a problem, even Brutes would be able to do it. Imagine a Covie Super Carrier ramming through Soveriegn, ah the irony…

    Wait, that’s what Shepard needs in ME3! I vote for an enlightened Supreme Commander Thel ‘Vadamee and his fleet as squadmate and LI for ME3! (that’s a joke only people who now how the ME fanbase thinks get)

    Of course also the fact that UNSC is an actual military while the Council is basically the United Federation of Planets, except more retarded does not help…

    *the Trafalgar hovers right infront of the Citadel Tower, right infront of the window where the Council is standing behind*
    Turian Councilor: “Ah yes ‘UNSC’, a strongly xenophobic military organization that makes Cerberus look like a bunch of pansies, we have dimissed that claim.”
    Johnson: “Dimiss this split-cheek!”
    *Trafalgar MACs the Citadel Tower*

    or

    “Councilor! Those ships keep destroying us all! We need more ships here or we will all die!”
    “We cannot risk a war with the Terminus Systems!”
    “It was all just a dream! But if it makes you feel better we will send a single frigate!”

    Forerunners would be not be an overkill, but a killonaire…

    btw to people who think Protheans were more advanced then the races now:
    The Reapers arrive when the Galactic Civilization reaches a certain tech level and seeing the Reapers wanted to harvest the current galactic civilization earlier then now and that the asari can build Mass Relays, they’re just too lazy, means the asari and Protheans were on pretty much the same tech level, of course they were differences, but not so huge as many people think…

  33. Vercetti24 December 4, 2010 at 6:24 am -      #433

    Mass Effect’s definition of military is the same as Star Trek’s, Space Hippies that pretend they are a military while flying in their fancy shamcy ships with their unpractical designs, their “military” is fillied with politics and they are scared to do anything really violent. Plus Cerberus which is pathetic when compared to ONI is considered a bunch of terroists and the human military cares more about kissing alien ass then their own fricking species while the aliens self treat humanity like a piece of -blam!-…
    “I’VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS COUNCIL AND ITS ANTI-HUMAN BULL…”
    “THEY COUNCIL WOULD’VE STEPPED IN IF THE GETH ATTACK A TURIAN COLONY!!!!”
    While Donnel self is an idiot he did say some wise things, Cerberus Daily News even proved his second outrage once…

    UNSC is a real military, just the design of their ships betrays that. A block of metal, is that design practical? Yes it is. Does it looks nice? WHO THE HELL CARES? Unlike the Alliance UNSC has a real black-ops branch, if the Council saw what ONI was doing they would get a heart attack from the amount of “terrorism”and “evilness”.

    But of course the biggest difference between ME is that ME is a Disney world were every good deed is rewarded, no matter how stupid or naive it is. Import a 100% Paragon playthrough in ME2 and you’ll see it yourself, it’s ridiculous for a game that is said to be a grey universe…
    Halo on the other side does have a realistic approach, the Haloverse is grey, every faction is neitrher good or evil. Doing good things does not always end well, just like IRL. And every thing UNSC developed is theoritically possible, Mass Effect tech is all about eezo which is a magical element.

    I can see UNSC ships with “IT’S A LEGITMATE STRATEGY” written on their hulls camping at Mass Relays and blasting every ship that comes trough it…
    Or UNSC ships with “HERETICS THERE, HAPPY GLASSING!!!” on their hulls with arrows pointing at Council planets…
    Of course for Brute ships UNSC would add “AND FREE BANANAS!!!

  34. hotshot December 4, 2010 at 6:40 am -      #434

    “Ha ha ha…ME wins because of the shit firepower MAC guns have shown.”

    BS

    From someone from 343 industries:

    “A Puzzled Mind, you’ve got some great questions, but I think this one has been answered throughout this thread quite effectively by other users. The reality of MAC weaponry and asynchronous linear induction technology is that there isn’t one particular model with one specific setting. Like any machine given in our contemporary, 21st century military, there are a variety of types of that weapon and there are several methods in which the weapon can be deployed or used. This means that situations like the ones seen in Halo: Reach, those talked about in the novels, and those depicted in the encyclopedia are not wholly and individually exclusive. They can all exist in the same universe. :-)”

    halo.xbox.com/forums/f/10/t/604.aspx?PageIndex=2

    That’s was an undercharged MAC gun in the Reach cutscenes,do you really think they would risk killing their own ground troops?Jorge himself was like WTF when they were about to fire a MAC in atmosphere.

    “Even the covenant? That’s is one hell of a downgrade”

    No except that they don’t glass all the entire planet

  35. cyborg pirate ninja jesus December 4, 2010 at 7:06 am -      #435

    so halo has nerfed everyones weapons massively?

    if what siggy says is true about sub kiloton then mass effect for an easy fp award

  36. hotshot December 4, 2010 at 7:19 am -      #436

    “if what siggy says is true about sub kiloton then mass effect for an easy fp award”

    No it isn’t ,read my post above

  37. Siggymansz December 4, 2010 at 7:37 am -      #437

    “No it isn’t ,read my post above”

    Firepower wasn’t Determined by those cut scenes

  38. Siggymansz December 4, 2010 at 7:39 am -      #438

    “if what siggy says is true about sub kiloton then mass effect for an easy fp award”

    that is mearly the Low end (and I doubt it would be the canon firepower)

  39. Belisaurius December 4, 2010 at 9:12 am -      #439

    First off, Plasma torpedoes aren’t going to do squat against kinetic barriers. A quick burst of repelling gravity would disperse the plasma harmlessly. Magnetic lensing would be useless since it’s working at several kilometers of distance and the defending ship has all the leverage it needs.

    Second, ME ships are comparatively accurate with laser fire as the Covenant. Their point defense is going to ream missile salvos and from what I remember, archer missiles are explosive rather than kinetic kill, simple enough to swat a few thousand out of the sky.

    Third, Distruptor torpedoes. They normally use element zero to increase the effective weight of the torpedo in order to smash through kinetic barriers. Granted, the increased weight slows acceleration, but it’s still enough to carry the same weight as the main gun of a dreadnought. The best thing is, ME tends to send these out in calliope style launchers. Any torpedoes that breach the shields detonate with a gravitonic warhead, shearing apart materials via their own mass. An inertial dampener might mitigate some of this, but no covenant designed inertial dampener was designed to take such a localized phenomenon. Kind of like putting thermite onto a radiator.

    Finally, don’t try to bring anything into ground combat against ME. There is way too much tactical superiority for Halo to win even a large scale battle.

  40. NemoVonUtopia December 4, 2010 at 10:35 am -      #440

    “UNSC is a real military, just the design of their ships betrays that. A block of metal, is that design practical? Yes it is”

    Oh, yes. A wonderful design that offers a great target profile at all angles. ME is nothing like ST. ST has exploration ships, ME has actuall warships.

    “their “military” is fillied with politics and they are scared to do anything really violent.”

    Isn’t most militaries that are controlled by civilian government full of politics. What do you think the government would say if a captan told them that the head of the CIA was mind controlled by a alien car that wants to destroy the Earth.

  41. Darkbladex96 December 4, 2010 at 1:26 pm -      #441

    @hotshot

    your entire post proves, rather disproves little to nothing. all you have shown is 343 says that the MAC guns could change their output and fans talking about a theory of varible outputs, and arguing about how the canon works and schematics about a MAC gun.

    so ill put it simply, what you posted has no merit, its a thread started by fans who questioned the consistency of the canon, 343 saw it and got one of their guys to make an ass pull excuse on the spot. MAC cannons variable yield has never been mentioned anywhere ever, until its mentioned in the continuity it doesn’t exist. MACs are weak unless you can post some canon that shows them adjusting their output down to the same level used in reach….note how they didnt even mention the shot being low powered.

    they fucked up and made an excuse with no canon backing, if you believe that shit youre part of the reason why fiction writers keep screwing their canon and retconning their continuities….

  42. Lowk December 4, 2010 at 1:48 pm -      #442

    @Vercetti24
    The hell you talkin bout.
    “Mass Effect’s definition of military is the same as Star Trek’s, Space Hippies that pretend they are a military while flying in their fancy shamcy ships with their unpractical designs, their “military” is fillied with politics and they are scared to do anything really violent.”

    Each species has its own form of military. Humans- Alliance being like ours with space ships, Turian-same as alliance except a little mandatory, quarians marines- entire force full of nomadic tech specialist, asari commandos-filled with gun wielding/gravity manipulating space females, salarian-highly intelligent spec ops, and krogans-tribe like system with which nearly all are capable of war.

    As for “their “military” is fillied with politics and they are scared to do anything really violent” bullshit. They tried wipe out the entire rachni species. Then when the numbers of krogans who helped them in said act got to high they lowered krogan birth rate with the genophage. Bitch slapping a species birth rate to ensure the relative peace of the galaxy is pretty grey on the moral chart.

  43. Darkbladex96 December 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm -      #443

    Also this guy vercetti is hilarious a super ME hater, come to give his support in a mass effect vs thread.

    “Mass Effect’s definition of military is the same as Star Trek’s, Space Hippies that pretend they are a military while flying in their fancy shamcy ships with their unpractical designs.”

    i havent seen one unreasonable design in ME ships, they are streamline and the ships capable of planet fall even have heat absorbing ceramics on the underside. frigates and smaller ships are aerodynamic, engine cells are offset from the main body, thusters can move independently of one another, thrusters on the nose of the ship…..all practical if anything they are designed more like space shuttles.

    X-33 prototype Design
    media.photobucket.com/image/future%20space%20shuttle/skywarp2/Transformers%2520images/Transformers%2520Movie%2520Images/link.x33.jpg

    Normandy sr2
    media.photobucket.com/image/future%20space%20shuttle/skywarp2/Transformers%2520images/Transformers%2520Movie%2520Images/link.x33.jpg

    See the similarities

    But lets talk about UNSC boxes…..

    problem one: they are square, squares have huge surface area, and surface area is bad during reentry more area to apply heat and force to meaning with real world physics a UNSC ship should snap in half like the CIS ship in RotS.

    problem 2: made of titanium and no known heat absorbing materials. Titanium-A is a BS metal and they’ve never stated its properties, but seeing as its titanium it has the same weakness roughly as durable as steel, low melting point. Since all UNSC ships can planet fall, in real world physics theyd all start to melt since titianiums melting point is almost 1000 C below reentry temputures.

    “And every thing UNSC developed is theoritically possible, Mass Effect tech is all about eezo which is a magical element.”

    Thats Halotard BS, to suspend your disbelief and accept the shaw-fujikawa drive and not Element zero is just fanboyism.

    UNSC drives tears i hole in real space to a slipspace(were 7 layers or space are folded on each other) , using particles that make mini black holes, then manipulates those blackholes to for the effect. the only thing about human slip-space that is remotely believable is that black hole MAY be able to generate traversable wormholes. other than that the entire thing is BS technobabble and you have to suspend a large amount of disbelief to accept it.

    Element Zero is BS, everyone knows this, but by explaining it with things that are widely known makes it easier to suspend disbelief. the explaination for it is that eezo is formed when matter interacts with the radiation from a super nova…BS, but less theories revolving around the subject, so less disbelief to suspend.

    “But of course the biggest difference between ME is that ME is a Disney world were every good deed is rewarded, no matter how stupid or naive it is. Import a 100% Paragon playthrough in ME2 and you’ll see it yourself, it’s ridiculous for a game that is said to be a grey universe…”

    weak point, when you play a game with choice you have to be rewarded in some way for your actions, other then what shepard does, which is obviously either good or bad the ME verse is very grey. Tell me a faction that is definitely good or evil.

    “Halo on the other side does have a realistic approach, the Haloverse is grey, every faction is neitrher good or evil. Doing good things does not always end well, just like IRL.”

    halo does not have a realistic apporach, if you believe nuke it, glass it, blast it is realistic then where have you been? the flood are obviously the antogonist because their existance would wipe out the universe. its so obvious that it hurts. the covenant are just stupid, and the UNSC is known to make some of the worst tech ever. other then the treaties that united the world under one power they have no notable civil agreements or notable negotiations.

    dont even pull that crap, ME is the more believable universe seeing as how conflict erupt, but usually come to an end with civil treaties and negotiation when resources grow low….like in the real world. the UNSC and Covenant just throw resources at each other and complain that their numbers are falling.

    “I can see UNSC ships with “IT’S A LEGITMATE STRATEGY” written on their hulls camping at Mass Relays and blasting every ship that comes trough it…”

    if only they didnt have to fight thru those populated systems to get there, then hold the positions ships that were in the area. trying to take a rely could result in an ambush…fight local forces only to have a fleet teleport in behind you or on your flanks…..

    current fleet sizes aint to good for the covies, and the only fleet we know of in ME is the citadel fleet, we have no idea how many ships thier individual races have in service and out and about.

    “their ships lack any kind of serious armor, hell even Sovereign got gutted by a shot from a FRIGATE.”

    um….soverigns shields were down, and disruptor torpedoes use gravitic forces to shred metal theyd gut a UNSC ship since they totally lack shielding.

    “Of course also the fact that UNSC is an actual military while the Council is basically the United Federation of Planets, except more retarded does not help…”

    wrong on so many levels……..why dont you explain yourself.

    all in all besides halos big numbers that they cant really back up anymore.

    UNSC ships are unshielded, if normandy and the codex is an accurate view of ME frigate then theyd literally fly circles around all but the UNSC fighters. its a fight or who get hit first and thats all, but all the evidence point to ME having better defenses or rather no one has shown UNSC defenses.

    so its anyone game…….if it was cut an dry halo wouldve won by now.

  44. Commander Cross December 4, 2010 at 4:10 pm -      #444

    I guess since Star Trek is Sci-Fi’s equivalent of Athens, then this meant that Halo is Sci-fi’s less slashier(guyxguy) version of Thebes during the era of the Sacred Band.

    Does that mean Mass Effect’s the equivalent of Macedonia or Rome?

  45. Halo would win December 6, 2010 at 3:24 pm -      #445

    @Siggymansz Dude. You said that it would be hard to kill UNSC, and that it would be impossible to kill Covenant. But what about Forerunner?! If they couldn’t kill a Covenant ship then how could they EVER kill a Forerunner ship?! And getting in close is the WORST thing to do. ME gets too close, the get boarded. And if they get boarded by 50 Marines, 20 Orbital Drop Shock troopers, and a SPARTAN-II Commando, then those Mass Effect ships are gonna have one shitty day! If the Krogan weren’t extinct, and if their counter boarding parties were Krogan then Halo would still win!

  46. Lowk December 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm -      #446

    “@Siggymansz Dude. You said that it would be hard to kill UNSC, and that it would be impossible to kill Covenant. But what about Forerunner?! If they couldn’t kill a Covenant ship then how could they EVE kill a Forerunner ship?! And getting in close is the WORST thing to do. ME gets too close, the get boarde Shock troopers, and a SPARTAN-II Commando, then those Mass Effect ships are gonna have one shitty day If the Krogan weren’t extinct, and if their counter boarding parties were Krogan then Halo would still win!”

    Wut? How? Most if not all M.E. military forces worth mentioning have shields comparable to Master Chief. Krogans aren’t extinct and fighting them in close quarters is bad for anyone below a brute. Not sure but forunners have not shown themselves currently in the Halo universe.

  47. CRACKSHOT99 December 6, 2010 at 4:16 pm -      #447

    @Darkbladex96
    ‘UNSC ships are unshielded, if normandy and the codex is an accurate view of ME frigate then theyd literally fly circles around all but the UNSC fighters. its a fight or who get hit first and thats all, but all the evidence point to ME having better defenses or rather no one has shown UNSC defenses.’
    UNSC ships are Covenant are not. Shield strength varies depending on ship class but most take one to two MAC blasts to down their shields and another to cripple/destroy the ship. Like I said, it varies on certain ships, by the heavier armed and armoured ships have taken dozens of MAC shots and still survived.

    About the ‘frigate then theyd literally fly circles around all but the UNSC fighters’ I’m not sure I’d want to fly around ships this large…
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Real_Sizes_in_the_Halo_Universe

    Now the range of the MAC slightly varies. The ‘slug’ travels at 30,000 metres per second. I don’t know the speed of ME ships, but they’d have to be fast to dodge the ‘slug’ before hitting, especially at closer targets. The ‘Super’ MAC’s fire their ‘’slugs’ at 12,000 kilometres per second, point four-tenths the speed of light. The shot has enough kinetic energy to punch right through the ships shields and armour and still have enough to hit another. Personally, I think Halo would wait for ME to attack. We all ready know the UNSC can track Covie’ ships in slipspace and I would put my money on that so could the Covenant, so using the stations Halo could be able to pinpoint the ME fleet/fleets and figure out where and when they’ll attack. If it’s going to be a big fleet verses fleet battle, I say the Unyielding Hierophant probably leading the fleet.

  48. Halo would win December 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm -      #448

    “Looks more like 2 squids kissing to me.”
    I have SO many reasons to support that Halo would win. Unfortunately, I don’t have too much time.
    But what if ME was attacking a Halo planet?! Like Reach or Earth? Then Halo would Definitely win! Because those cannons fire a 3000-ton ferric-tungsten round at 12,000 kilometers per second, impacting with a massive amount of kinetic energy, equal to approximately 51.6 gigatons of TNT. No known ship, UNSC or Covenant, has been shown to survive the impact of one of these rounds, with unshielded Covenant Destroyers actually “exploding into glittering fragments” upon impact. Against Covenant shield technology, the rounds possess enough kinetic energy to punch through shields, cut through the ship, and, upon exit, still retain enough energy to cripple or destroy a second ship.
    With the ME ships. It could be like those lucky Halo 3 kills. If the UNSC would be lucky enough to have a maximum of 5 ME ships in a straight line then the UNSC could take them all out with one shell!

  49. Lowk December 6, 2010 at 5:21 pm -      #449

    “But what if ME was attacking a Halo planet?! Like Reach or Earth? Then Halo would Definitely win!”

    So only attacking there planets would give them the when?

    “Because those cannons fire a 3000-ton ferric-tungsten round at 12,000 kilometers per second, impacting with a massive amount of kinetic energy, equal to approximately 51.6 gigatons of TNT.”

    What is the rate of fire for these cannons?

  50. Lowk December 6, 2010 at 5:37 pm -      #450

    Also how many do they have. I’ve read that they need a power station on the planet. So if they don’t have and/or fire fast enough to get every ship that station runs the risk of being destroyed by that ship or ground forces.

  51. sgtNACHO December 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm -      #451

    An ODP usually takes 5 seconds to recharge the capacitors and load a new shell. I personally think Halo will win, but its an interesting mash up between near-future tech levels.

    Big thing I think is firepower and variation. Mass Effect has shields but are not as effective as Covie or Forerunner.

    It is theorized that if a ship’s armor or shields were to absorb all the kinetic energy of a super MAC round, the release of thermodynamic energy would still vaporize the ship. By receiving power from ground-based power plants, orbital platforms could achieve recharge and reload times as short as five seconds. -Halopedia

    So yeah, even if the kinetic barriers managed to stop the round it would still be vaporized. and yeah 5 seconds :)

    and Forerunners=Protheans but with bigger stuff and better tech. Flood=organic reapers. Covenant are lke the citadel. and humans are humans….they are very similar universes I agree. I just think Halo is more focused on fighting whereas Mass Effect is more varied in its focus. War, plus sex scenes, exploring, conversation…all those thing Halo doesn’t need :P

  52. sgtNACHO December 6, 2010 at 6:58 pm -      #452

    Oh I just got this

    Mass Effect Wiki on Dreadnought main weapon-
    An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one twenty-kilogram slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s (1.3% the speed of light) every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of about 38 kilotons of TNT, about two and a half times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

    Halopedia on Super MAC-
    The total energy released from the impact of a MAC round fired from a UNSC Orbital Defense Platform releases a colossal 216.7 exajoules of energy. To put this in perspective, this is about 3,423,829 times the energy released from the atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima in World War II, which released a comparatively small 63 terajoules of energy.

    3,423,829 is a hell of a lot more than 2 and 1/2

  53. Lowk December 6, 2010 at 7:10 pm -      #453

    @sgtNACHO

    1. Awesome name
    2. Any info to how many they have or how many they have around a planet.

  54. Vercetti24 December 7, 2010 at 11:05 am -      #454

    “i havent seen one unreasonable design in ME ships, they are streamline and the ships capable of planet fall even have heat absorbing ceramics on the underside. frigates and smaller ships are aerodynamic, engine cells are offset from the main body, thusters can move independently of one another, thrusters on the nose of the ship…..all practical if anything they are designed more like space shuttles.”

    ME ships are all made too look fancy with fancy paintjobs and not-practical designs plus they forget to use armor on their ships, which is pretty stupid since kinetic barriers are kind of inferior…

    “problem one: they are square, squares have huge surface area, and surface area is bad during reentry more area to apply heat and force to meaning with real world physics a UNSC ship should snap in half like the CIS ship in RotS.”

    Problem of your problem: GUESS WHAT, HALO IS NOT REAL LIFE!

    “problem 2: made of titanium and no known heat absorbing materials. Titanium-A is a BS metal and they’ve never stated its properties, but seeing as its titanium it has the same weakness roughly as durable as steel, low melting point. Since all UNSC ships can planet fall, in real world physics theyd all start to melt since titianiums melting point is almost 1000 C below reentry temputures”

    See problem of you problem.

    “Thats Halotard BS, to suspend your disbelief and accept the shaw-fujikawa drive and not Element zero is just fanboyism.”

    And of course, the pissed off fanboy starts to use insults…
    Slipspace is theoritically possible, we simply don’t have the tech and can’t generate the amount of power for it. Because we can’t do it it does not mean its not possible.
    Eezo on the other side is pure magic.

    “UNSC drives tears i hole in real space to a slipspace(were 7 layers or space are folded on each other) , using particles that make mini black holes, then manipulates those blackholes to for the effect. the only thing about human slip-space that is remotely believable is that black hole MAY be able to generate traversable wormholes. other than that the entire thing is BS technobabble and you have to suspend a large amount of disbelief to accept it.”

    Ah the ME fanboy logic…
    Theoritically posible technobabble

    "weak point, when you play a game with choice you have to be rewarded in some way for your actions, other then what shepard does, which is obviously either good or bad the ME verse is very grey. Tell me a faction that is definitely good or evil."

    Of course, but it should apply to renegades too…
    *waits for the predictable counter-argument*
    If ME universe was very grey some stupid paragon choices would backfire… ME universe is grey, but far from very grey.

    "halo does not have a realistic apporach, if you believe nuke it, glass it, blast it is realistic then where have you been? the flood are obviously the antogonist because their existance would wipe out the universe. its so obvious that it hurts. the covenant are just stupid, and the UNSC is known to make some of the worst tech ever. other then the treaties that united the world under one power they have no notable civil agreements or notable negotiations."

    *sigh* Do I sense another ME fanboy that thinks using violence in a war is wrong? Which part of war do you not understand?
    No they aren't, the Gravemind beliefs he's saving the universe, but since I doubt you have any real knowledge of the Haloverse I'm sure youi never knew that and now will claim this is BS…

    You seriously don't know -blam!- about the Haloverse…
    Oh and Halo is not about endless politics, since UNSc has nothing to do with it!

    No, not really. Prophets and Sangheilli are actually pretty smart. Brutes are indeed morons, Kig-Yar are smart when its about saving their asses and Unggoy can be smart. But who cares since ME does not stand a chance against the Covenant? And if its a full blown universe battle all factions are allied with each other. And no you cannot exclude the Flood.

    And the ME fantards believeing that if you still use conventional firearms all you tech must suck…
    Funny how with some things UNSC is far away ahead of ME, but since they don't have flying cars it means their tech sucks!

    "dont even pull that crap, ME is the more believable universe seeing as how conflict erupt, but usually come to an end with civil treaties and negotiation when resources grow low….like in the real world. the UNSC and Covenant just throw resources at each other and complain that their numbers are falling."

    Seriously, GTFO and go worship ME on BSN. DO YOU HAVE ANY -blam!- IDEA HOW THE WAR STARTED?!
    People I think we should bring this idiot to an Elite Councilor and see if he can talk this out…
    *press RT for Plasma Interrupt*
    Of course how usually ME fanboys think the future would look like then yes, for you it is much more believable.

    "um….soverigns shields were down, and disruptor torpedoes use gravitic forces to shred metal theyd gut a UNSC ship since they totally lack shielding."

    In ME fanboy world not having shielding means of course you not have any defenses… And those "shileds"of yours are to pathetic to be a problem to the UNSC…

    "wrong on so many levels……..why dont you explain yourself.

    all in all besides halos big numbers that they cant really back up anymore."

    If you honestly think the Citadel forces are not like the United Federation of Planets at all and UNSC is not a realstic military organization (there's a reason why ME is Space Opera and Halo Military Sci-Fi) then I won't even waste my time to explain it to you since you won't even listen to it…

    The ME universe would get ripped to absolute indescribable shreds by Halo's. If the Covenant Seperatists decided to show up, a single Supercarrier could wreck everything ME tries to throw at it. The only imaginable thing that could bring down the Supercarrier's shields would be a nuclear bomb ranging in the megatons, and that's just for the shields.

    One Assault Carrier survived almost everything the Pillar of Autumn through at it, and Supercarriers are those same ships on steroids times twenty.

    The UNSC can launch nukes through slipspace; a single nuclear bomb could destroy a relay, and a single NOVA bomb could destroy the Citadel and the entire fleet.

    Bad: Reapers

    Good: Citadel.

    In Halo we have: The UNSC, not good due to their immoral attitudes and disregard for children, yet not bad because they understand that, sometimes the good of the many outweigh the good of the few

    Covenant: Confused theologists who are searching for their role in the universe, and who have been delluded into thinking humanity is a plague, not realy bad huh? Cant blame them for falling to faith and religion

    The Forerunners: Once thought pristine, but we now know to be possibly evil, on account of different view points on life,they counter opposition with brutal effectiveness(Halo cryptum), Forerunner Civil Wars (read the encyclopedia) and proceeded to reject their own beliefs to arguably save themselves.

    Flood: Gravemind is not really evil, believing death and assimilation to be the only logical course in evolution. When he takes you, you gain knowledge, you are with those who you have loved and lost, but at the expense of your own life. Not really bad, is it.

  55. Lowk December 7, 2010 at 1:57 pm -      #455

    “Slipspace is theoritically possible, we simply don’t hav the tech and can’t generate the amount of power for it. Because we can’t do it it does not mean its not possible. Eezo on the other side is pure magic.”

    So one has an engine that manipulates particles that make black holes to rip holes in space. The other uses an element for energy source and manipulate gravity and mass…… They both sound like the typical technobullshit standard to most sci do universe.

    In Halo we have: The UNSC, not good due to their immoral attitudes and disregard for children, yet not bad because they understand that, sometimes the good of the many outweigh the good of the few

    They used to take kids with biotic potential away from the families to train them to be soldiers(Kaiden’s childhood). Cerberus created the abomination that is Jack doing the same thing.

    “Covenant: Confused theologists who are searching for their role in the universe, and who have been delluded into thinking humanity is a plague, not realy bad huh? Cant blame them for falling to faith and religion”

    Geth heretics believing the reaper was some kind of god and went against what the standard is for geth. They’re not evil just manipulated by their belief.

    “Flood: Gravemind is not really evil, believing death and assimilation to be the only logical course in evolution. those who you have loved and lost, but at the expense of your own life. Not really bad, is it.”

    Reapers: they are either under the impression that their superiority/age gives them the right to do what ever they want. Or the need a large quantity of a species to reproduce.

    As for the rest of the galaxy, they participated in the attempt to wipe out a species they didn’t understand. Severally Lowered the Krogan birth rate after they helped. One species believes slavery is ok because its apart of their culture. They’re are justicars who would slaughter there way out of police custody because of their code. Specters who get to do almost whatever they want as long as they have an explanation or the end result is good.

    M.E. has its fair share of questionable practices too.

    What’s with the M.E. hate or M.E. fan hate? Or is it specifically fanboys?

  56. Lowk December 7, 2010 at 2:09 pm -      #456

    The errors oh the grammatical errors.

  57. Siggymansz December 7, 2010 at 2:35 pm -      #457

    “: You said that it would be hard to kill UNSC, and that it would be impossible to kill Covenant”

    can you read? Halo: Reach (the Highest Canon) says I’m Wrong

    Who are you going to listen too, Me or the Highest Canon?
    (Hint: the answer sounds like lightest cannon)

    “But what about Forerunner?”

    Current incarnation puts the Forerunners

    A) Extinct
    B) less then 100 in number (thats People not Ships)

    “ME gets too close, the get boarded. And if they get boarded by 50 Marines, 20 Orbital Drop Shock troopers, and a SPARTAN-II ”

    1. You can count the number of Ub3r 1337 spartan IIs on 1 hand (so there is no way in hell a random Halo ship will send a Spartan-II with a Boarding party to a Random ME ship)
    2. why send ODST to board? thats stupid
    3. 50 Marines with shit weapons and no Shields are not going to cut it against 10-100 ME Ground Troops (who stomp in Ground fights)

    “If the Krogan weren’t extinct”
    The Krogan are not extinct so… Yeah…

    “But what if ME was attacking a Halo planet?! Like Reach or Earth?”

    Reach is partially Glassed and laid to waste, so… No ODP
    Earth is also partially glassed, and they only have a small fraction of ODP

    @sgtNACHO

    While I personally don’t mind Halopedia… For the sake of the Debate, I ask for a better Source


    The total energy released from the impact of a MAC round fired from a UNSC Orbital Defense Platform releases a colossal 216.7 exajoules of energy. ”

    don’t you mean 216.7 wankerjoules of energy?

    cite a Source

    “ME ships are all made too look fancy with fancy paintjobs and not-practical designs plus they forget to use armor on their ships, which is pretty stupid since kinetic barriers are kind of inferior…”

    Wow… Your (non-existant) Proof is irrifutible!

    “Problem of your problem: GUESS WHAT, HALO IS NOT REAL LIFE! ”

    and ME isn’t Real Life either… whats your point?

    “we simply don’t have the tech and can’t generate the amount of power for it. Because we can’t do it it does not mean its not possible.”

    1. www.livescience.com/environment/060919_black_holes.html
    2. Your Statement can be turned around in so many ways its not funny
    3. Going through a Mini-Black Hole and ending up in (essentially) the 11th dimension is Realistic to you? (instead of… you know getting crushed)

    “Of course, but it should apply to renegades too…”

    Why are you using Game Mechanics?
    Don’t you know that we don’t use eGame Mechanics here.

    “And the ME fantards believeing that if you still use conventional firearms all you tech must suck…”

    No, Using Ground based Weapons that are shitter then the stuff from 500 years ago means you Suck, Conventional Firearms are fine
    (so long as they have advanced in 500 years)

    “DO YOU HAVE ANY -blam!- IDEA HOW THE WAR STARTED?!”

    Do You? If you do, Enlighten us

    “In ME fanboy world not having shielding means of course you not have any defenses”

    Discounting weapons, Yes Having no shields in any universe that has shields generally means that you are Screwed if you can’t GTFO

    “The UNSC can launch nukes through slipspace””

    Of I recall correctly, That was an Isolated incident (the Exeption instead of the Rule, if you will) feel free to post some proof to disprove this

    All In All, so Far nobody has Proved or Disproved shit, Mearly started Wanking all over their computerscreen

  58. Siggymansz December 7, 2010 at 2:41 pm -      #458

    @Vercetti24

    Why are you going -blam!-?
    I don’t remember Admin putting a Word Filter in

    Fuck
    Shit
    Cock
    Boobs
    Cunt
    Terd
    Ass
    arse

    ………..

  59. Halo would win December 7, 2010 at 4:38 pm -      #459

    “”But what about Forerunner?”
    Current incarnation puts the Forerunners
    A) Extinct
    B) less then 100 in number (thats People not Ships)
    “ME gets too close, the get boarded. And if they get boarded by 50 Marines, 20 Orbital Drop Shock troopers, and a SPARTAN-II ”
    1. You can count the number of Ub3r 1337 spartan IIs on 1 hand (so there is no way in hell a random Halo ship will send a Spartan-II with a Boarding party to a Random ME ship)
    2. why send ODST to board? thats stupid
    3. 50 Marines with shit weapons and no Shields are not going to cut it against 10-100 ME Ground Troops (who stomp in Ground fights)
    “If the Krogan weren’t extinct”
    The Krogan are not extinct so… Yeah…
    “But what if ME was attacking a Halo planet?! Like Reach or Earth?”
    Reach is partially Glassed and laid to waste, so… No ODP
    Earth is also partially glassed, and they only have a small fraction of ODP””

    HA! I guess you don’t know how this works? This means you can apply almost any situation to it! Because if you go around saying shit like “That can’t happen because the Forerunners are extinct.” and that kind of shit, then you will be contradicting yourself! Think about it, THIS WHOLE BATTLE CAN’T HAPPEN, THEY ARE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSES AND WILL NEVER INTERACT!
    SO IN THIS BATTLE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
    So about your Reach and Earth comments. Read what I said above.
    About the boarding. I want you to learn a new word today. HYPOTHETICALLY.
    About the Krogan. I didn’t have a lot of time to right that but what I meant was that they were NEAR extinct. Because of their biological poison whatever….
    And I think an ODST COULD (not definitely) be on par with a Krogan.
    But that’s just my opinion. TO EACH HIS (or her, if your one of those people who think that woman who are still being prosecuted) OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!

  60. Lowk December 7, 2010 at 5:12 pm -      #460

    “HA! I guess you don’t know how this works? This means you can apply almost any situation to it! Because if you go around saying shit like “That can’t happen because the Forerunners are extinct.” and tha kind of shit, then you will be contradicting yourself! Think about it, THIS WHOLE BATTLE CAN’T HAPPEN, THEY ARE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSES AND WILL NEVER INTERACT! SO IN THIS BATTLE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.”

    “Incarnations Current
    incarnations of characters are used unless otherwise specified.”
    BankGambling rules disagrees with you.

    “About the Krogan. I didn’t have a lot of time to right that but what I meant was that they were NEAR extinct. Because of their biological poison whatever…. And I think an ODST COULD (not definitely) be on par with a Krogan.”

    How?
    -“Blood-enraged” krogan fight regardless of injury level, to the extent that krogan shorn of all four limbs continue gnashing past brain death until total somatic death
    -Tough hide impervious to any melee weapon short of a molecular blade
    -They have multiple functioning examples of all major organs, and can often survive the loss of one or two of any type
    -Now incase them in armor and give them a gun capable of switching to explosive rounds covered in thermite paste.

    ODST no. A Spartan, Elite, or brute is more likely.

  61. NemoVonUtopia December 7, 2010 at 5:46 pm -      #461

    “I don’t know the speed of ME ships, but they’d have to be fast to dodge the ‘slug’ before hitting, especially at closer targets”

    Dodging requires ME ships to outpase halo tracking, and thanks to the wonderfull brick ships that cant have much overlapping fire zones, it would be easy. Even ME fighters can carry a disruptor torpedo.

    Also, geth have thousands of ships.

    What are halo sensors based on? Could the Normandy sneak up on a ship?

    If ME can get into close range and behind halo ships then they could win with disruptor torpedoes, javalins, and the metal beamy thing.

  62. Siggymansz December 7, 2010 at 11:33 pm -      #462

    “HA! I guess you don’t know how this works? This means you can apply almost any situation to it! Because if you go around saying shit like “That can’t happen because the Forerunners are extinct.” and that kind of shit, then you will be contradicting yourself! Think about it, THIS WHOLE BATTLE CAN’T HAPPEN, THEY ARE IN DIFFERENT UNIVERSES AND WILL NEVER INTERACT!
    SO IN THIS BATTLE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.”

    Are you some kind of a Retard?
    BankGambling.com/factpile-debating-rules/

    Read it and weep

    “About the Krogan. I didn’t have a lot of time to right that but what I meant was that they were NEAR extinct. Because of their biological poison whatever….”

    Oh… Ok then

    “And I think an ODST COULD (not definitely) be on par with a Krogan.”

    then you think wrong

    “But that’s just my opinion. TO EACH HIS (or her, if your one of those people who think that woman who are still being prosecuted) OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Why yes, You are intitled to your opinion… But this is Factpile
    —————————————————————————————————

    Well that was pointless……

    “What are halo sensors based on?”

    they have a FTL sensor… but its limited in range(UNSC), the rest are of the slipspace kind

    **NOTE: don’t take that as fact… it was from Memory *Halo Wars

  63. sgtNACHO December 8, 2010 at 2:17 pm -      #463

    I’m sorry for using Halopedia as a source, there aren’t alot of sources out there that are free without doing an hours worth of searching through forums and such. I do believe that the “Big Stick” has a collossal amount of energy that it WILL transfer in every possible way. If it can break through the shields and armor of a Covenant Assault Carrier, destroy it, and continue on to the next ship and possibly destroy it as well (if their in a line) I doubt there is much a ME ship can do.

    A Mass Effect Dreadnought measures from 800m-1km, a Marathon Class Cruiser is I believe 1.23km or something to that effect. an Assault Carrier is over 5km. A Forerunner Keyship is estimated at 14km in height. Now I’m not saying that size means Halo wins. However considering the amount of Assault Carriers the Covenant have, which is alot

    (at the bottom of the page you can see a pic of the Portal from Halo 3, surrounding it are multiple Assault Carriers, every ship is an assault Carrier, minus a couple banshees and a phantom of course :) )
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Covenant_assault_carrier

    This is most likely a very small portion of the Assault carriers the Covies possess. Then the UNSC have a large portion of Marathons and Supercarriers and other over 1km size ships. I dont know if we are counting Forerunner or not but they have massive and very powerful ships, also the combination Sentinels from Onyx had extereme ship killing ability.

    @Lowk Thank you, I like my name too :P
    I know Reach had 20 ODPs and Earth had 300 ODPs I don’t know if they were placed anywhere else, probably not

    and Mass Effect and Halo are both Greyish since they are based of real life

  64. Siggymansz December 8, 2010 at 2:33 pm -      #464

    “A Mass Effect Dreadnought measures from 800m-1km,”
    800-2km

    “do believe that the “Big Stick” has a collossal amount of energy that it WILL transfer in every possible way. If it can break through the shields and armor of a Covenant Assault Carrier, destroy it, and continue on to the next ship and possibly destroy it as well ”

    with the MAC geting downgraded to megaton level and below, It won’t be doing as much damage as you think *it will be doing a fuckton of damage tho

    “I’m sorry for using Halopedia as a source”

    its ok, I sometimes use it also (unless its giving me wankertons for numbers)

    “This is most likely a very small portion of the Assault carriers the Covies possess.”

    Yes, its alot of big ships that go down to Megaton level stuffz….
    —————————————————————————————
    I was going for halo… back when it was a stomp, but now ME has a real chance of winning this

  65. NemoVonUtopia December 8, 2010 at 7:55 pm -      #465

    Slipspace sensors couldn’t detect ME ships, right? ME doesn’t use slipspace.

  66. sgtNACHO December 8, 2010 at 9:34 pm -      #466

    Where is there info that all MAC weapons are based at Megaton level? lol sorry I’m too used to Fallout 3 I always capitalize megaton :P

    I have Reach, I saw the shot that hit the Corvette and passed thru into the lake. But we don’t know what shot it. It could’ve been a smaller MAC, considering size matters when it comes to Coilgun.
    The Shot that rocked the corvette by the Spire did seem a little weak sauce I agree, but I would guess that it used a smaller round or something. The Spirit of Fire had Mini-MACs for its MAC Strike in HW didn’t it?

    Is there a source in Reach saying the shot was at Megaton level? or what? I just want to make sure I have the correct information.

    and is the 2km Dreadnought you mentioned referring to the Reapers?

  67. Siggymansz December 9, 2010 at 7:13 pm -      #467

    “I have Reach, I saw the shot that hit the Corvette and passed thru into the lake. But we don’t know what shot it. It could’ve been a smaller MAC, considering size matters when it comes to Coilgun.
    The Shot that rocked the corvette by the Spire did seem a little weak sauce I agree, but I would guess that it used a smaller round or something.”

    Read Halsley’s Journal AND all the Datapads, then come back to me

    “and is the 2km Dreadnought you mentioned referring to the Reapers?”

    No, ME Codex suggests that the biggested they have are 2km

    If you want to talk reapers, we can (but we know very little about them….)

  68. midnite marauder December 9, 2010 at 7:23 pm -      #468

    LOL I thought all the Halo tards have been chased off. How refreshing some new ones came. Good job at this debate though Siggy.

  69. Michael50210 December 9, 2010 at 7:56 pm -      #469

    You’re all leaving out the flood
    Be careful, every time you forget about them, they pop up from behind you and make the last six seconds of you life pure misery
    I know this for a fact
    And while we’re at this
    the rules for THIS particular fight don’t mention anything about “current” status, so I believe that the Forerunners can proceed to come back to life for this (and then light the rings again cause the flood are back)
    I’m probably gonna get raped by the ME fanboys for this, aren’t I? Screw it, I’m posting this anyway
    And Reach has absolutely no right to count as canon, Bungie said “screw it” to the REAL canon as a parting gift to Halo

  70. midnite marauder December 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm -      #470

    Michael read the rules again. Unless specified these matches are always current events. The rules don’t apply to these types of matches when the suggester makes up a SPECIFIC SCENARIO. This one doesn’t so its current events meaning no forerunners. Plus why do Halotards bring this up like its means something? You have no numbers on them so they are irrelevant anyway.

  71. Michael50210 December 9, 2010 at 8:26 pm -      #471

    I knew it
    Screw it anyways HAHAHA
    I have life insurance from Chuck Norris
    As in, as long as I don’t anger him, he spares my life, and anyone that attacks me ends up dead
    Still, don’t forget the space zombies

  72. Michael50210 December 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm -      #472

    And btw, if you think calling me a name, like halotard, is going to “hurt my feelings” or “make my halo dumbass leave” or something like that, nice try, but no
    As I stated in “Video game addiction”, I have no life to speak of whatsoever. I have thus steeled myself against petty insults and, due to my memory, i often forget being called or name or just get over it in the span of three minutes

  73. Blood Dancer December 9, 2010 at 8:34 pm -      #473

    “As I stated in “Video game addiction”, I have no life to speak of whatsoever. I have thus steeled myself against petty insults and, due to my memory, i often forget being called or name or just get over it in the span of three minutes”

    Amazing……………….

  74. Darkbladex96 December 9, 2010 at 8:38 pm -      #474

    “I didn’t have a lot of time to right that but what I meant was that they were NEAR extinct. Because of their biological poison whatever….”

    get your facts right, krogan arent even near extinction thats just a misconception they made up because they dont reproduce like horny rabbits anymore. there are thousands of krogan possible hundreds of thousands around the galaxy and their home planet has a current population of over 2 billion.

    @Vercitti

    i dont have time to counter everything you said, but ill do a quick rundown.

    “ME ships are all made too look fancy with fancy paintjobs and not-practical designs plus they forget to use armor on their ships, which is pretty stupid since kinetic barriers are kind of inferior…”

    their ships look like space shuttles, and a paint job in no way hinders combat effectiveness. thier ships are armored enough but really what armor protects from torpedos that shred metal with gravitic force? Kinetic barriers are extremely effective shields hince why they still use them. youre pretty much making shit statements and not comparing them to anything. Kinetic barrier are inferior to what? void shield from WH40K? space time shields from Star Ocean? finish your points.

    “Problem of your problem: GUESS WHAT, HALO IS NOT REAL LIFE!
    See problem of you problem.”

    and yet you claimed that the ships were practical and realistic, yet when faced with a real fact you can only say halo isnt real. UNSC ships arent well designed. you have no point.

    “And of course, the pissed off fanboy starts to use insults…
    Slipspace is theoritically possible, we simply don’t have the tech and can’t generate the amount of power for it. Because we can’t do it it does not mean its not possible.
    Eezo on the other side is pure magic.”

    even god cant save you from this fuck up, halo pulled a fiction BS 101 take something theoretically possibly and extrapolate it to ridiculous levels then surround it with babble. using wormholes is possible, but where is the slip drive getting the matter to condense into a singularity????

    Eezo is bullshit, who denied that? but since no sort of research has been done on the effects of supernova explosion on matter we dont know what it does, so bioware had a clean slate to make stuff up. Mass effect FTL is based on the principle that less massive objects require less energy to move at greater speeds, and if you could reduce an objects mass to absolute zero it could surpass lightspeed(because light in fact has relativistic mass). all bioware need was an element that could control mass. Two companies who took a decent principle and technobabbled it up.

    “If ME universe was very grey some stupid paragon choices would backfire… ME universe is grey, but far from very grey.”

    so youre basing the morality scale or the entire ME universe around a few select events that happen around 1 character………..if paragon choices backfire, then you probably wouldnt make them.

    “*sigh* Do I sense another ME fanboy that thinks using violence in a war is wrong? Which part of war do you not understand?
    No they aren’t, the Gravemind beliefs he’s saving the universe, but since I doubt you have any real knowledge of the Haloverse I’m sure youi never knew that and now will claim this is BS…”

    calling out fanboys without putting yourself in there, how cute. no heres the part where i point out how youre twisting words. i never said that violence in war is wrong, i said that those are the only tactics that have been used consistantly by the covie and UNSC.
    I know what the gravemind thinks hes doing, but hes still the primary antagonist of Halo….you dont know what grey means doing something obviously wrong and believing its right doesnt make it grey, it makes it naive. If a serial killer murders a whole town, under the belief that hes sending them to heaven hes wrong, no matter what he says. same with the flood hes going to wipe out bio diversity like his kind have done in unknown galaxies prior to halo.

    “No, not really. Prophets and Sangheilli are actually pretty smart. Brutes are indeed morons, Kig-Yar are smart when its about saving their asses and Unggoy can be smart. But who cares since ME does not stand a chance against the Covenant? And if its a full blown universe battle all factions are allied with each other. And no you cannot exclude the Flood.”

    as a whole the covies are stupid, the prophets were a bunch of misguided fools who almost destroyed the galaxy. The covenant are barely a threat with their piss poor numbers and lack of knowledge on how to build or fully repair the tech, since all the prophets are dead. other then conquering every race in the covenant they have no feats that show them to have any real capacity for politics.

    And the ME fantards believeing that if you still use conventional firearms all you tech must suck…
    Funny how with some things UNSC is far away ahead of ME, but since they don’t have flying cars it means their tech sucks!”

    retard arguments dont work here, but you can take that shit over here lounge.moviecodec.com/ and prosper. who mentioned flying cars and shit, plz use actual arguments. UNSC tech sucks, because thier weapons are barely above or equal to what we have today, many of their ground vehicles have questionable designs and covenant weapons are just as bad….weve seen the canon numbers from bungie many times on FP and we know how bad they.

    “In ME fanboy world not having shielding means of course you not have any defenses… And those “shileds”of yours are to pathetic to be a problem to the UNSC…”

    not an arguement that counters anything, just jibber-jabber. let me put this in dummy terms….ME torpedos use gravity to shred metal, no shields means if it makes contact with the hull the metal goes X_X. now if the UNSC have point defense systems you shouldve brought them up.

    “If you honestly think the Citadel forces are not like the United Federation of Planets at all and UNSC is not a realstic military organization (there’s a reason why ME is Space Opera and Halo Military Sci-Fi) then I won’t even waste my time to explain it to you since you won’t even listen to it…”

    no you cant explain what the flaws in the Council are because you are pulling shit out your ass, when come back when you can answer the questions.

    “The ME universe would get ripped to absolute indescribable shreds by Halo’s. If the Covenant Seperatists decided to show up, a single Supercarrier could wreck everything ME tries to throw at it. The only imaginable thing that could bring down the Supercarrier’s shields would be a nuclear bomb ranging in the megatons, and that’s just for the shields.”

    and what is this multimegaton bomb needed to destroy a supercarrier? last i check it was specifically stated that a MAC round would drop covie shields and MAC rounds are now sub-kiloton :( even if their shields can take mega tons worth of fire power the citadel fleet is some 500 ships, realy how long do you think it would take to concentrate a megaton or 2 worth of firepower on the ship.

    “The UNSC can launch nukes through slipspace; a single nuclear bomb could destroy a relay, and a single NOVA bomb could destroy the Citadel and the entire fleet.”

    they know where the citadel is how???

    alot of stuff that has been looked at a long time before you brought them up, i watched halo be powerful then get retconned time and time again….there isnt much you can say about halo that i havent heard.

    lol .youre really bad at this.

  75. Michael50210 December 9, 2010 at 8:47 pm -      #475

    “Amazing……………….”

    Are you being a sarcasting ass or do you really mean that?
    If you really mean it, then i apologize for accusing you for neing an ass
    If not, then f*ck you

  76. sgtNACHO December 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm -      #476

    Do you mean the covenant glassing a planet? What does that have to do with a MAC gun? Also the covenant use Energy Projectors or something to glass planets. I believe they are usually short ranged so they aren’t used in space combat. Also covenant can use plasma torpedoes from orbit to glass but i think this is a less efficient method.

    I didn’t see any facts written down about the power of a MAC gun or any other weaponry.

    I want to see this source/fact…thing. please and thank you :)

  77. Lowk December 9, 2010 at 9:18 pm -      #477

    “The UNSC can launch nukes through slipspace; a single nuclear bomb could destroy a relay, and a singl NOVA bomb could destroy the Citadel and the entire fleet.”

    A Relay survived a supernova, knocked out of orbit, and 4000 years later was discovered to still be in perfect working order. Is the NOVA bomb as or more powerful then a supernova?

  78. chuckforest December 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm -      #478

    @Michael50210
    I think I might have shit myself at the power of your mental fortitude.

  79. chuckforest December 9, 2010 at 9:37 pm -      #479

    @Lowk no the nova is not even close to as powerful as a supernova.

  80. Lowk December 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm -      #480

    “no the nova is not even close to as powerful a a supernova.”

    Well there goes attacking the relays idea. Attacking the citadel while its open could do some damage but closed off behind those arms might be a different story.

  81. Michael50210 December 9, 2010 at 11:48 pm -      #481

    @chuckforest
    Are YOU being a sarcastic ass? If so, kiss my ass
    If not, then I apologize for the above comment.
    I do that because its hard to tell if someone’s being sarcastic on the internet
    I’m hard to insult, but i have my limits too. I’m still (sadly) human

  82. Michael50210 December 9, 2010 at 11:57 pm -      #482

    And if any of you bother to ask
    I’m 17
    I’m single (and been single, and plan on staying that way)
    I havnt gone to a single homecoming
    I DON’T plan on going to prom. Ever.
    The ONLY dance I went to, which was this semester, wasnt really a formal one, just one where evereone came to hang out and listen to rap and whatever the hell else was on. After 30 mins I wanted to detonate and kill everyone there. And I forced myself to stay for two HOURS. I have never been as miserable as I was that night
    And you know what? I’m HAPPY being the way I am. I’m PROUD of what I am today. If you don’t like it, suck my d*ck

  83. Michael50210 December 10, 2010 at 12:01 am -      #483

    Ah hell, and I just dumped a load on you all.
    Sorry. Something got in me

  84. Michael50210 December 10, 2010 at 12:03 am -      #484

    BTW
    this doesnt matter, cause either the flood will get the mass effect guys (since you all have not countered them)
    or
    Someone will light a ring, awakening Chuck Norris and unleashing him upon the universe once more

  85. OriginalA December 10, 2010 at 12:15 am -      #485

    Three things here:
    1: How could you mistake chuckforest as being sarcastic? It is quite obvious that the NOVA bomb, a weapon that cannot destroy even a single planet, is not comparable to a supernova, which casually wipes out a solar system. There are orders of magnatude of power there that are missing in the NOVA bomb for them to be comparable.
    2: Flood got wiped out at the end of Halo 3 and BankGambling rules are Current Incarnation which means post Halo 3 which means no Flood.
    3: Rings would kill everyone on the Halo side of the war, but not everyone on the Mass Effect side of the war. The Rings do not kill A.I.. The Geth would survive, and possibly the Reapers too. And it would cripple the Halo side to the point that the Geth, and maybe the Reapers, would be able to steam roll them even if they were shooting spit balls.

  86. Michael50210 December 10, 2010 at 12:17 am -      #486

    @orginal a
    Um, the flood were not wiped out in halo 3. All they did was kill the gravemind. There are still flood on the second ring, and probably more flood on the others, as well as flood outside of that galaxy. So I don’t know why you thought that
    2. How could you mistake chuckforest as being sarcastic? It is quite obvious that the NOVA bomb, a weapon that cannot destroy even a single planet, is not comparable to a supernova, which casually wipes out a solar system. There are orders of magnatude of power there that are missing in the NOVA bomb for them to be comparable.
    Are you talking to me?

  87. Siggymansz December 10, 2010 at 12:35 am -      #487

    @sgtNACHO

    This is fun and all, But w/e you win

    I concede to you

    Have fun trying to get halo a win

  88. OriginalA December 10, 2010 at 12:37 am -      #488

    Those Flood are feral. They have no cooridination with the Gravemind. They are less than useless until they can create a new controler.

    Yeah I was talking to you.
    Chuckforest made two comments on this page.
    Post 80 where he wrote:
    “@Michael50210
    I think I might have shit myself at the power of your mental fortitude.”

    and Post 81 where he wrote:
    “@Lowk no the nova is not even close to as powerful as a supernova.”

    After your spiel about how hard it is to insult you (and being one who is also hard to offend), I assumed you were responding to the second, and only relevent, post he made. Perhaps I was mistaken.

  89. Darkbladex96 December 10, 2010 at 12:46 am -      #489

    “this doesnt matter, cause either the flood will get the mass effect guys (since you all have not countered them)”

    whats to counter? the flood got outta hand because the forerunners were retarded. the floods cycle is long and slow and without the plotkai that halo used the flood isnt much threat.

  90. chuckforest December 10, 2010 at 3:55 am -      #490

    @michael i was sarcastic about the shitting of my pants,not the nova bomb part.Also the flood aren’t a really big threat being basically retarded.

  91. Michael50210 December 10, 2010 at 9:07 am -      #491

    @chuck know
    But the flood have been feral before, so wouldnt they just create a new Gravemind? They almost had it on 04, but then the chief came along and blew up the whole damn ring
    Is the Forerunner cycle those new forerunner books? if so, can you link me to it or something like that?

  92. Darkbladex96 December 10, 2010 at 10:00 am -      #492

    Yea they could create a new gravemind, but do you have any idea how long that takes? it takes hundereds of years, and so much biomass that only one gravemind can be in one galaxy at a time.

    During the entire forerunner flood war there was only one gravemind, and i doubt it even existed within the first 100-200 years of the conflict, the gravemind chief met was so large that its body extended the entirety of the installation.

    if you had the extra thing with H3 it came with a book and explained it pretty well.

  93. Michael50210 December 10, 2010 at 10:11 am -      #493

    No, didnt get that :(
    NEW PIC!!
    Hmm, well, now that all the facts are presented
    +1 to mass effect
    The First game was pretty good, never beat it thoug, and havent played the second one

  94. chuckforest December 10, 2010 at 9:36 pm -      #494

    +1 to mass effect woot

  95. Darth Dagon. December 10, 2010 at 10:16 pm -      #495

    What is the minimun effective target size for MACs? Could they target cruisers and frigates?
    range does not matter for projectile weapons in space.
    halo rapes ME. slipspace ruptures.
    the covenant alone would defeat the reapers.

  96. Darth Dagon. December 10, 2010 at 10:20 pm -      #496

    @chuckforest.
    Also the flood aren’t a really big threat being basically retarded.
    wrong, the flood consume all of the knowledge of the organics they infect.

  97. chuckforest December 10, 2010 at 10:25 pm -      #497

    Currently they are retarded as the gravemind is dead.

  98. Lowk December 10, 2010 at 10:48 pm -      #498

    “halo rapes ME. slipspace ruptures. the covenant alone would defeat the reapers.”

    What exactly are the mechanics behind slipspace ruptures? How often are they used?

    And If your talking about that event in halo 3 & odst, that wasn’t enough to destroy the city it was above.

  99. chuckforest December 10, 2010 at 11:00 pm -      #499

    So is there anything left to debate or has ME won?

  100. Michael50210 December 10, 2010 at 11:11 pm -      #500

    ME stomped Halo
    Like everything else does
    :(

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