Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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  1. HD-Spartan May 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm -      #4701

    I think it’s more along the lines of everything fighting in this one system. (everything as in everything ever used in the two universe)

  2. SgCombine May 13, 2013 at 5:48 pm -      #4702

    @Jackn8r
    Some Precursors turned into Flood over time. So technically yes, they are still around.

  3. TheSorrow May 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm -      #4703

    I still want to know how the Forerunners managed to wipe out a supposedly God-Like race when they didn’t even know to destroy their structures. Only until much much later did they realize the Halo’s could affect them.

  4. SgCombine May 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm -      #4704

    @TheSorrow
    From what I understood, supposedly they only destroyed their “physical form” because there were variants of the Precursors that were “primitive” and others godlike, or something along those lines. Its a bit ambiguous and a very confusing.

  5. deathmetal3k May 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm -      #4705

    @HD Spartan the Reapers on the Tier scale are a Tier two at best. They could even be considered Tier three since they dot have slip space capability. Also their weapons are only equal low grade Covenant weapons. Earlier debating has already proven this.

  6. erickyboo May 14, 2013 at 1:03 am -      #4706

    The forerunners were more powerful back then. But they used different storage. And they destroyed so much of their records. I should re-read parts of silentium. Basically, the forerunners way before were more powerful than those now.

    But even forerunners could be counted. There are forerunners who survived, they were with humans. And mendicant bias is likely still alive.

  7. OberHerr May 14, 2013 at 2:08 am -      #4707

    So…….whats the general consensus on this?

  8. ParanaturaLowk May 14, 2013 at 2:40 am -      #4708

    @OberHerr
    Halo was getting the janus key and that meant forerunner stuff which I think nudged things back into Halo winning.

  9. Namer May 14, 2013 at 5:17 am -      #4709

    Halo still has two more games to go. We can always hope for an equalizing factor…

  10. OberHerr May 14, 2013 at 7:42 pm -      #4710

    Well, since the Janus key is now the obvious plot point for the conflict between the UNSC and the Storm Elites, it seems likely at some point its gonna be in the power of one side. Hoping that will buff Halo to the victory.
    -
    As for Didact and friends, there is a fan theory about Cortana and Didact returning through the Composer. And since they honestly can’t just kill off the series first real villain that quickly, I think we can assume its gonna happen.
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    And of course Cortana coming back through the Composer = Human Cortana, which in Halo 4 was a huge point they were trying to make. That she is more human than Masterchief, and that she wants to be human.

  11. SgCombine May 14, 2013 at 8:19 pm -      #4711

    @Ober
    The Composer was only showed to turn living people into AIs, not vice versa, as far as we know. Also the Didact is immune to the Composer, I still believe he survived though, they made too big a fuss over him in the novels and shit to just end his story here.

  12. OberHerr May 14, 2013 at 8:30 pm -      #4712

    “The Composer was only showed to turn living people into AIs, not vice versa, as far as we know. Also the Didact is immune to the Composer, I still believe he survived though, they made too big a fuss over him in the novels and shit to just end his story here.”
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    They mention that its original purpose was to turn people into programs, so they could more easily combat the Flood, and then turn them back into living tissue. The problem was that the revert back didn’t work so well, and the people who were reverted back were twisted and its implied that they were basically crazy.
    -
    However, that could be fixed. And Cortana was in the Composer, which we know from Spartan Ops that the “souls” inside the Composer somehow got to Requiem, and who knows where else. So, it is possible in theory that Cortana could be made into a living being, which also eliminates her rampancy issue. Plus, its heavily implied that she wants to be human. Too many things lining up IMO. :P
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    As for Didact, that was just what I thought. He could just was easily be floating through space right now. Needless to say he’s not dead yet.

  13. OberHerr May 14, 2013 at 8:32 pm -      #4713

    Totally off the wall question here, how does one change their avatar?

  14. SgCombine May 14, 2013 at 10:25 pm -      #4714

    @Ober
    gravatar.com

  15. erickyboo May 14, 2013 at 10:58 pm -      #4715

    Composed minds can only return to biological form for a short period of time. They just decay and decompose.

    The mantle’s resolve and didact would be able to solo mass effect. However the mantle’s resolve appears to be destroyed. It’s not the only forerunner ship though. I should check and see what kind of ship isoDidact had.

    Other than that, flood. Beep boop. Imagine a contest between the flood and cybermen! Hehe.

  16. Gluttonous-Behemoth May 14, 2013 at 11:05 pm -      #4716

    Tell us more of this ship.

  17. OberHerr May 14, 2013 at 11:43 pm -      #4717

    I have no idea how tough it’s suppose to be, but it did get destroyed by a nuke going off in its core, and seemed to be basically impervious to UNSC attempts to hurt it.
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    It’s most powerful feature was the Composer. It allowed it to fire a beam, that ignored shields, solids, matter, you name it, and turned all living things into a computer program. Effectively killing them, as it disintegrated their bodies.
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    PLUS, it had Didact, the God of OP powers on it, and a helluva lot of Prometheans. Tis a shame it got blown up…..
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    It also was able to remove the Composer from a meteor using some kinda tractor beam, which according to a scientist that saw this was suppose to be impossible, because it was so heavy and so stuck in the rock.
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    In terms of size, MC was able to do a little Star Wars IV Death Star run On its side with I believe a Longsword fighter.

  18. SgCombine May 15, 2013 at 10:20 am -      #4718

    @Ober
    Broadsword Fighter, actually.

  19. OberHerr May 15, 2013 at 11:59 am -      #4719

    I knew I was saying it wrong. :P
    -
    There is a Longsword fighter though right? I feel like I read it that way in some of the novels….

  20. SgCombine May 15, 2013 at 12:52 pm -      #4720

    @Ober
    Longswords are the long range space bombers, Shortswords are atmosphere bombers, and the Broadsword is sort of a replacement or continuation of the Sabre space fighter project.

  21. erickyboo May 15, 2013 at 3:30 pm -      #4721

    Gah. I tried finding some information by reading the book. It was like amazing. The book. Going there again.

    But yeah, the one I was talking about is the portal to the ark. It’s a ship. A gargantua-class transport. It can carry strato sentinels. There is a giant forerunner ship on Earth in Africa, Kenya. The portal is about 117km in diameter so I imagine the ship being some 100km long.

    I might look later for another specific ship. Of forerunner ships, there are those from the defeated flood, on forerunner planets and shield worlds, those who are with the forerunners including offensive bias. There’s also the audacity. It might be on Earth.

    But I was reading… The flood… Scary… Oh…

  22. OberHerr May 15, 2013 at 3:54 pm -      #4722

    @SgCombine
    Ok, that makes sense. And the Broadsword did remind me of the Sabre, except it was a hell of a lot less fun of a level. >:(
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    @erickyboo
    Yeah, its such a shame we can’t use the Forerunner’s in this fight. ME would get roflstomped. :(

  23. ParanaturaLowk May 15, 2013 at 5:40 pm -      #4723

    “Yeah, its such a shame we can’t use the Forerunner’s in this fight. ME would get roflstomped.”
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    Not really a shame. There wouldn’t have been this debate because stomp matches get boring and normally end in either a few post or end up with nothing but off topic related post.

  24. OberHerr May 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm -      #4724

    Halo deserves a couple stomps, what with all MC has been through here. And its not like the ME crowd wouldn’t have argued just as fiercely that the Reapers > Forerunners.

  25. Gluttonous-Behemoth May 15, 2013 at 9:24 pm -      #4725

    Bear’s Flood and Forerunners suddenly vault Halo into the high tiers.
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    I do not like this.

  26. OberHerr May 15, 2013 at 9:30 pm -      #4726

    Times be changing.

  27. BC May 15, 2013 at 11:36 pm -      #4727

    Matches should be split into Bear and non Bear Halo categories with specific mention of which it is supposed to be.
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    If just the game continuity is used this is still not a bad match.

  28. Namer May 16, 2013 at 6:11 am -      #4728

    I do wonder what a Mass Effect Composite would be like, seeing as it should pretty much have every single galactic civilization since the Leviathans.
    That would probably outnumber the Tyrannids.

  29. erickyboo May 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm -      #4729

    What do you mean can’t use the forerunners?
    And what do you mean bear and non bear. There is only one continuity. That’s what I like about halo.
    It’s not, EU or no EU, not marvel universe 305 or universe 372,
    It’s just, Halo.

    Forerunners have always been pretty powerful. We just didn’t have much of information on them.

  30. BC May 16, 2013 at 4:47 pm -      #4730

    While it is officially just one continuity the stuff from Bear is so different from everything else that it really needs to be stated whether a match is supposed to be balanced for the stuff Bear added or whether it is just the stuff seen in the games themselves.
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    If the Forerunners and whatnot from Bears novels are used as an active combatant the “contemporary” Halo forces are irrelevant and a match using them should probably say “Forerunners vs.” instead of just “Halo vs.” and be against an opponent of similar power to them.
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    On the other hand a “contemporary” Halo match where the Forerunners are the mysterious ones who are gone except for a few remnants here and there should probably say “UNSC and Covenant vs.” or something to that effect and be against an opponent of their approximate power level (like the Mass Effect universe in this match). In any case the description of the match should spell it out clearly which it should be to avoid a tangled mess like this match has become.

  31. erickyboo May 17, 2013 at 2:26 am -      #4731

    It’s not the height of the forerunner empire in this case. It would be what remains. And the Didact from halo 4 is the very same didact from the books. Continuations of actions from the books. All tied in. The mantle’s resolve was able to tank gigatons. It’s about 75km long according to my measurements.

    While halo might win, we can still discuss other combinations of things.

  32. the_man_with The_Answers May 17, 2013 at 5:21 pm -      #4732

    @Ober
    Do the letters DDO mean anything to you? Because I’m pretty confident that we’ve met.

  33. Zazax May 17, 2013 at 7:00 pm -      #4733

    “It’s not, EU or no EU”
    Er, isn’t that exactly what this is? It’s using stuff from a lower canon tier (namely, books under games) that contradicts some of the stuff seem in the higher tier, but not so much that it’s unreoncileable. That’s *exactly* what the EU/non-EU argument is.

  34. wpago May 29, 2013 at 2:58 am -      #4734

    Ummm because i kinda dont wanna read though all 47 pages did anyone ever bother to look up numbers for the strength of weapons? considering a mass effect dreadnought’s main gun is measured in Kilotons and a Halo main gun is measured in Megatons. I think that right there ends the space fights.

  35. Zazax May 29, 2013 at 3:52 am -      #4735

    “and a Halo main gun is measured in Megatons.”
    No it’s not. A standard MAC weighs in at about 64 kilotons.
    The only weapons we receive numbers for in Mass Effect are 38 kilotons, but they fire almost exactly twice as fast as a MAC. That’s pretty even.

  36. Namer May 29, 2013 at 5:30 am -      #4736

    So reading from the beginning, I’ve only gotten as far as page 10, before dropping this.
    Could anyone just clarify what exactly are the yields of MACs and SuperMACs ? I’ve read them go from Exatons and Petatons (fanbois) to Megatons and Kilotons. And where is this yield determined from ?

  37. OberHerr May 29, 2013 at 6:53 am -      #4737

    @TMWTA
    Do the letters DDO mean anything to you? Because I’m pretty confident that we’ve met.
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    Yes, yes they do. I might remember you as well….I have the same name there as I do here. Do you?

  38. SgCombine May 29, 2013 at 1:04 pm -      #4738

    @Namer
    The ship MACs are rated at about 64.5 kilotons and the SMACs are about 52 gigatons. I know lol, bit of a gap between the two but they both come from the book Fall of Reach.

  39. CannibalisticCookie May 29, 2013 at 1:24 pm -      #4739

    “The ship MACs are rated at about 64.5 kilotons and the SMACs are about 52 gigatons. I know lol, bit of a gap between the two but they both come from the book Fall of Reach.”
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    Aren’t the Infinity’s guns SMACs? Shouldn’t it be able to solo this entire match if that ius tha case?

  40. SgCombine May 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm -      #4740

    @Cannibalistic
    They’re actually way above SMACs since just two of them could put a hole in the Didacts ship whereas multiple SMACs were completely “ineffective”. I don’t think it’s ever been offically stated what those two cannons are, though we all assume their upgraded MACs.

  41. the_man_with The_Answers May 30, 2013 at 7:32 pm -      #4741

    “Yes, yes they do. I might remember you as well….I have the same name there as I do here. Do you?”
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    Sort of. The user name is different, but the name on my profile is the same as this one.
    -

  42. erickyboo June 16, 2013 at 10:53 pm -      #4742

    The weapons haven’t been identified specifically… Should probably wait until the essential visual guide is released.

    Now question, so what effect do the mass effect weapons realistically have on heavy armour as well? I read something about a bullet the size of a paint chip thing be destroyed without causing heavy damage on heavy armour. I forgot the details.

  43. Urdnot Lowk June 16, 2013 at 11:06 pm -      #4743

    “I read something about a bullet the size of a paint chip thing be destroyed without causing heavy damage on heavy armour. I forgot the details.”
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    The codex was giving an example of what happens when you speed up an object fast enough.
    Mass effects weapons are:
    Mass accelerator(shooting a slug a high speed)
    Thanix cannons(shooting a stream of molten metals at high speed)
    Bomb(warp bombs, mines, nukes)
    Disruptor torpedoes(causes materials to eat itself)
    gardian lasers

  44. erickyboo June 17, 2013 at 2:58 am -      #4744

    I meant usual weapons like pistols and assault rifles. Don’t they fire bullets the size of paint chips?

    If a paint chip was accelerated at extremely high speed, wouldn’t it just burn out faster?

  45. Zazax June 17, 2013 at 3:21 am -      #4745

    “If a paint chip was accelerated at extremely high speed, wouldn’t it just burn out faster?”
    … If you’re shooting it into an atmosphere, maybe. In the vacuum of space projectile weapons don’t ‘burn out’, regardless of size.
    As for size in relation to armor, a smaller, faster round is more likely to just punch right through armor than a larger round with equivalent energy, since said energy is applied over a smaller surface.
    It’s pretty much the difference between bludgeoning weapons and piercing ones.

  46. Urdnot Lowk June 17, 2013 at 3:24 am -      #4746

    “I meant usual weapons like pistols and assault rifles. Don’t they fire bullets the size of paint chips?
    If a paint chip was accelerated at extremely high speed, wouldn’t it just burn out faster?”
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    Bullets/ammo range from small metal pieces to spikes as long about a forearm.
    The Paint chip was just an example to show the power of what a small sped up object had.

  47. Urdnot Lowk June 17, 2013 at 3:26 am -      #4747

    “to spikes as long about a forearm”
    to spikes about as long as a forearm.
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    “to show the power of what a small sped up object had.”
    to show the power a small sped up object had.

  48. BC June 17, 2013 at 4:19 am -      #4748

    “ “and a Halo main gun is measured in Megatons.”
    No it’s not. A standard MAC weighs in at about 64 kilotons.
    The only weapons we receive numbers for in Mass Effect are 38 kilotons, but they fire almost exactly twice as fast as a MAC. That’s pretty even. “
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    And that 38 kilotons is for the smallest dreadnaught in service with the shortest accelerator cannon length of 800 meters. The kilometer long cannons of the 1200 meter dreadnaughts like the Destiny Ascension would have the equivalent of 60.5 kilotons per shot with the same fire rate as the old Everest class where the 38 kiloton figure comes from. BTW, that figure is from a very funny rant by a gunnery sergeant on the Everest chewing out a pair of gunners for reckless firing.
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    “ I meant usual weapons like pistols and assault rifles. Don’t they fire bullets the size of paint chips?
    If a paint chip was accelerated at extremely high speed, wouldn’t it just burn out faster? ”
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    In the novels at least the personal weapons fire projectiles that range from just over the size of a grain of sand to about the size of an uncooked grain of rice at hypersonic speeds and greater. A common Quarian shotgun will blow a hole a person can easily step through in a cinderblock wall and it uses a half dozen of those rice grain sized pellets. Small light comfortable to hold pistols can carry thousands of those sand grain size pellets, the limit of how many shots can be fired is determined by how much power to drive the coils and the ezo system is available and how much heat the heat extractor clip can hold. At least one of the pistols was described as taking a solid slug of metal and shaving little bits of it off for ammo.
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    It is interesting how the two are almost exactly the opposite with Halo using large heavy relatively slow moving slugs for everything and ME using tiny projectiles moving at extreme speed.

  49. mack006 June 17, 2013 at 4:52 am -      #4749

    So this battle (correct me if I am wrong) is just like the IoM vs GE battle? We are all just gonna debate about the space battles and the spaceships aren’t we?

  50. Zazax June 17, 2013 at 5:23 am -      #4750

    “We are all just gonna debate about the space battles and the spaceships aren’t we?”
    That is quite literally all that matters in these kinds of fights unless one side is capable of teleporting en masse from the surface of one planet to the surface of another to invade. If you can’t win the space battle, you can’t transport your ground troops around (or, at the very least, prevent them from having the crap bombarded out of them from orbit), so why bother talking about ground forces at all?

  51. Namer June 17, 2013 at 5:24 am -      #4751

    No, this is a much closer match if we don’t include the Forerunners. And ME roflstomps in Ground Combat. UNSC/Covenant ground is retarded. Mass Accelerator Weapons actually blow large holes in people.
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    As for shaving off solid slugs, that is what a majority of Mass Accelerator weapons do. That is why heat generation is such a problem. In ME1, weapons would overheat after continuous firing and would have to wait to cool down. In ME2 and 3, Heat Sinks are used to take in the heat, effectively acting as ammo. The actual ammo is, as said earlier, shaved off metal blocks that can be fashioned right on the battlefield from Omnigel using Omnitools.
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    I just had a completely infeasible yet awesome idea : Macross Missile Spam with Disruptor Torpedoes.

  52. mack006 June 17, 2013 at 5:32 am -      #4752

    But we do include the Forerunners in this match! It does not say anything about ‘No Forerunners allowed’ on the introduction.
    With the Forerunners I believe they will be able to stand a much better chance. I mean if the Forerunners can defeat the Galactic Empire then I am sure they can defeat the ME universe.

  53. Lightning June 17, 2013 at 5:35 am -      #4753

    The Foreunners would crush ME. However, we’re only taking current Halo and ME. Which means Forerunners aren’t involved.

  54. Namer June 17, 2013 at 5:38 am -      #4754

    There was an “If” in the sentence. Yes, Forerunners make this an easy victory for Halo. No, Halo doesn’t have to “stand a chance”. If anything, it should be “Without Forerunners, ME will be able to stand a better chance.”
    But of course, the Forerunners are in…, so Halo has the upper hand, despite being horribly overrated…

  55. Lightning June 17, 2013 at 5:42 am -      #4755

    In what way is Halo overrated?

  56. Namer June 17, 2013 at 5:44 am -      #4756

    Oh, current Halo. With the War-devastated UNSC and Fractured Covenant versus the Un-Mass-Relay-ed Citadel, Alliance, Terminus and Quarians/Geth ? Or is it Pre-Reaper War and Pre-Covenant War ?
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    What has been the consensus so far ? This has over 4000 posts, you know, and I’m no AI.

  57. mack006 June 17, 2013 at 5:50 am -      #4757

    @lightening
    Regardless whether the forerunners are not able to join the war the Halo universe still has better ships and firepower compared to the ME universe. The ME universe can only launch mid kilotons to low megatons while the ships in Halo are already in the megaton range (covenant ships).
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    Also how fast are ME ships compared to the Halo ones? I also believe that the Flood will be a HUGE pain up their ass as they will constantly turn troops and weapons against their owners.
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    One last question, aren’t the Forerunners returning as shown in the Halo 4 ending?

  58. Lightning June 17, 2013 at 5:56 am -      #4758

    The only thing I see going for Halo would be the Infinity. Seriously, that thing is overpowered. It fucking plowed through a Covie cruiser for the lulz and its main batteries are nothing to scoff at. With their slipspace capabilities, the Infinity alone could inflict much damage on its own. If the UNSC had more, it would be a gamebreaker.
    —————–
    @Mack
    No, this has been gone over many times. Ever since Reach, Halo in general has been nerfed greatly in firepower for both the UNSC and Covenant. Zazax can explain more since he follows this debate more regularly.
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    No… Forerunners aren’t returning. Even Spartan Ops(which is canon) just showed Halsey going off with Jul’dama to assist him. No mention of the Forerunners returning.

  59. mack006 June 17, 2013 at 5:56 am -      #4759

    I go for the Halo universe because I believe that the ME universe is full of human scum that OPENLY NEGOTIATES WITH FILTHY XENOS!!!
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    The Halo universe is better as the humans and xenos are all seperated rather then mixed together into some corrupted empire (I am looking at you too Star Wars)
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    Note: This is all my opinion ok?

  60. mack006 June 17, 2013 at 6:12 am -      #4760

    @lightening (again)
    Didn’t Didact say that the forerunners are returning in one of the encounters? Also the slogan of Halo 4 says that an ancient evil is returning. It can’t be the Flood as there was no references to them during the game so I assume it must be either the Forerunners or something else more sinister.

  61. Zazax June 17, 2013 at 6:29 am -      #4761

    *Has been summoned*
    Regarding Halo’s firepower: the old megaton calcs come from the now-superseded and dubiously canon to begin with Halo Encyclopedia with ridiculous claims of the speed and mass of MAC shots, and with the baseline required firepower to actually ‘glass’ a planet. More recent (and higher) canon, namely the recent games, particularly Reach, has shown that Halo’s firepower is not even close to that. The standard examples are things like the destruction of that Covenant tower in Reach via MAC, actual visible damage caused by Covenant Energy Projectors as far back as Halo 3 all the way up to the current games, and those ONI AIs stating that the Covenant does not in fact have sufficient firepower to glass a planet while simultaneously waging an interstellar war (the implication being that it would take too many ships too long to pull it off to be worth it). SMACs aside, nothing even close to megaton-level firepower has been seen since the original Fall of Reach novel, so it’s safe to say it’s been retconned.
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    Also, did I miss something? What’s with this talk of Forerunners? Standard rules state current incarnation capable of actually fighting, so that would be current Halo and either pre-ending ME or one of the various endings (I don’t think it was ever decided. I vote Synthesis myself, but that’s just me). Unless it’s been changed while I wasn’t looking, no Forerunners.
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    “I go for the Halo universe because I believe that the ME universe is full of human scum that OPENLY NEGOTIATES WITH FILTHY XENOS!!!”
    Someone takes their 40k a little too seriously…

  62. Lightning June 17, 2013 at 6:33 am -      #4762

    Yeah, I was just explaining to Namer why Forerunners aren’t in the match even though they would roll over ME like a bulldozer.

  63. Urdnot Lowk June 17, 2013 at 6:35 am -      #4763

    “I go for the Halo universe because I believe that the ME universe is full of human scum that OPENLY NEGOTIATES WITH FILTHY XENOS!!!”
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    ME has a space alien PunisherBatman, your argument is invalid.

  64. Namer June 17, 2013 at 8:08 am -      #4764

    @Lightning, There were lots of “If”s in my post. Stop missing the “If”s, people, for god’s sake.
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    Also, say, exactly how are we taking ME ? At the strongest, where Shepard has made peace between the Quarians and Geth, saved the Rachni, et cetera, or it is one of the playthrough with worser decisions ? That could potentially decide the match, what with having the largest fleet in the galaxy and the most technologically advanced non-precursor civilization (Quarians and Gets respectively). Tell me if this has been bought up before.

  65. TheSorrow June 17, 2013 at 8:50 am -      #4765

    Worser? *Shudders* Please don’t use that word. “Worse” is sufficient to describe something. Its nitpicky, but still.

  66. Kytheros June 17, 2013 at 11:44 am -      #4766

    Hold it.
    Mass Effect shipboard mass accelerator fire rates are not twice as fast as Halo MACs.
    It’s more like 30 times faster at the standard settings. Remember, MACs take about a minute to charge fully under normal conditions. That ME accelerator can fire that 38 kiloton shot every two seconds.
    .
    If memory serves, and it does, it was also said that ME small arms have computers automatically adjusting velocity (amongst other factors), indicating that velocity can be adjusted fairly quickly; toss in the other quote about theoretically using a pistol to fire a round with planet shattering force, and the implications are clear – ME weapons have variable velocity capabilities, but they usually use settings far below the maximum potential due to factors such as recoil control (let’s face it, you don’t normally want to knocking yourself off course/backwards because you’re shooting the enemy too much too hard).

  67. ZomBat June 17, 2013 at 11:53 am -      #4767

    “Also, say, exactly how are we taking ME ? At the strongest, where Shepard has made peace between the Quarians and Geth, saved the Rachni, et cetera, or it is one of the playthrough with worser decisions ?”
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    I assume that we used a version of Shepard that made the gooder decisions.

  68. SgCombine June 17, 2013 at 12:13 pm -      #4768

    @Kytheros
    You have a source for that? Last I checked the games are highest canon and Halo 3 shows Frigates firing every 5 seconds at the keyship.

  69. Kytheros June 17, 2013 at 12:24 pm -      #4769

    Huh.
    Y’know, I can’t actually remember exactly where the minute/standard ship-MAC charge come from*. IIRC, it had something to do with Pillar of Autumn and its MAC being special because it “recycled” the charge or something, and could fire a couple times in quick succession (3?) without needing to take a minute to recharge.
    *5 seconds was … I think … the ground-based super-MAC charge times in that or a related source. :/
    Hrmm. I think it was an older source (almost has to have been), but at any rate, it’d be downright insane (though completely in character) for the UNSC to not upgrade the MACs on the rest of their ships to ones like on the PoA as rapidly as possible.

  70. SgCombine June 17, 2013 at 1:09 pm -      #4770

    @Kytheros
    I agree with you on the ship MAC part, unfortunately we have no stats outside of energy shields on the new post Halo 3 ships we’ve seen. Btw the SMAC firing rate comes from Fall of Reach.

  71. SgCombine June 17, 2013 at 1:21 pm -      #4771

    @Kytheros
    I agree with you on the ship MAC part, unfortunately we have no stats outside of energy shields on the new post Halo 3 ships we’ve seen. Btw the SMAC firing rate comes from Fall of Reach. *possible double post cause of phone*

  72. erickyboo June 17, 2013 at 11:47 pm -      #4772

    All is under one level, not a hierarchy of canon. Comparing frigate MACs to dreadnought mass accelerators. Halcyon-class cruisers were outdated and were going to be scraped and all but many were pulled and retrofitted it seems as you are many in halo 4/forward unto dawn.
    youtu.be/vkZOnQ-A9bw
    That just looks cool. They have shields and infinity as well but no calculations. Also to explain retrofits, humans have huragoks now. ONI managed to recover Halsey’s journal underneath Babd Catha’s ONI complex.
    -
    @Zazax. The assembly is not stated to be ONI and is wrong. We see in the long night of solace cutscene bombardment which has an impact of nearly the size of a hurricane on Reach. MAC on the covenant spire was lower powered. Even Jorge expresses his worries.

    A lot of people thing the forerunners are long gone and the didact died. The possibilit of the Didact’s survival is even mentioned in the halo 4 essential visual guide on the Earth page. While shield world 0001 was destroyed, there are others. The Ur-Didact wanted them built an have armaments and other things such as vessels. Mendicant bias might play a bigger role in the new halo game. In the trailer, it seems like John is at the ark. Mendicant bias’s tomb was in the sands in the Ark. Guilty spark is still alive and hijacked the UNSC Rubicon located at the Ark.

    Plus who knows that the halo TV show will bring.
    -
    But I was talking about me reading someone saying that due to the size of certain gun’s rounds and their speed,
    It would have less of an impact on something like MJOLNIR armour. I just don’t remember where it is and who wrote it.

  73. BC June 18, 2013 at 6:03 pm -      #4773

    “ But we do include the Forerunners in this match! It does not say anything about ‘No Forerunners allowed’ on the introduction. “
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    Undoubtedly there is no mention of “no Forerunners” in the match introduction because at the time the match was set up there were no live Forerunners to exclude.
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    “ All is under one level, not a hierarchy of canon. Comparing frigate MACs to dreadnought mass accelerators. Halcyon-class cruisers were outdated and were going to be scraped and all but many were pulled and retrofitted it seems as you are many in halo 4/forward unto dawn. “
    -
    The Everest class dreadnaughts from ME that fire those 38Kiloton shots are likewise obsolete and the Humans were not replacing those lost with other Everests, making longer more modern ones instead. The bigger higher tech Council dreds fire approximately 60.5 kiloton shots every two seconds assuming that they use the same 5kps per meter of launcher track acceleration rate that the Humans do and not something better. Unfortunately the only solid numbers we have to calculate ME firepower comes from the one humorous cutscene on the Everest and a few ship lengths that are mentioned in passing elsewhere.
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    Thanix cannons are said to have the firepower of cruiser main gun which would put them at around 15-20kt more or less depending on the length of the ship and they can be mounted in pairs on frigates or in bunches on larger ships.
    -
    Speaking of ship size, comparisons between Halo frigates and ME dreadnoughts usually fail to account for the large discrepancy in size between Halo ships and ME ships in class designations. The smallest frigate from Halo (the Stalwart class) is over half the size of an Everest class dreadnaught, and the biggest one (Paris class) is just under half the size of the Destiny Ascension dreadnaught, the largest most advanced Council dreadnaught.
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    If a Halo frigate showed up in ME space they would classify it as a cruiser in the contact report. A Marathon class heavy cruiser is only eight meters shorter than the Destiny Ascension and the Halcion class light cruiser is not far behind and probably about the size of the average Council dreadnaught if not larger.
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    As for ME frigates, the Normandy II’s length (the longer one based on the floor plan no less) is about the WIDTH of a Paris class UNSC frigate which puts it at about the size of an ONI Prowler. The Prowler is dead meat if it is found by enemy forces and does not engage in battle except for mine laying and intelligence but the Normandy class and other ME frigates are mainline small combat ships and an active participant in battles.
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    That puts a different light on firepower in class vs. class when a Halo frigate is the size of an ME cruiser.
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    -
    “ But I was talking about me reading someone saying that due to the size of certain gun’s rounds and their speed,
    It would have less of an impact on something like MJOLNIR armour. I just don’t remember where it is and who wrote it. “
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    The larger size ME rounds that are used to destroy vehicles as well as people would be more effective against the powerarmor than the big slow moving bullets of the UNSC at least. I am not sure how the light hideout pistol rounds would do, though obviously less than the full power military accelerator pistols and “rifles”.

  74. erickyboo June 19, 2013 at 3:00 am -      #4774

    GOT IT! I managed to read the part where the UNSC Commonwealth charges her MAC twice and fires at a covenant ship. I read the dialogue and from the time of the charge to the charge it’s about 30 seconds. So 30 seconds for a 183 meters standard frigate MAC canon of year 2525 to fire 64 kilotons. The recharge rate is variable too I believe, putting more power on the MAC for instance instead of engines. It is very likely that technological advances were made in 33 years of that happening specially since unsc ships have shields, which would mean more power to the reactors but we have something early on to go with. 600 ton projectile at 30,000 KPS, 30 seconds, 183 length and 64 kilotons.

    Different lengths for the weapons.

    A halcyon would pack a bigger punch, likely at least triple that. With less waiting time though.
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    I should try to look into shield mechanics for halo. I think that larger rounds are better at taking out shields than smaller ones. But I’ll just look more into it later. And you want slow? Star Wars!

  75. BC June 19, 2013 at 1:17 pm -      #4775

    Halcyons probably have a bigger capacitor bank for the main gun compared to other ships of their size class allowing them the charge once fire three times at slightly reduced power trick.

  76. Kytheros June 19, 2013 at 11:18 pm -      #4776

    No. I distinctly recall it being a brand new thing that no other ship in the UNSC fleet had, specially installed/refitted onto the Pillar of Autumn specifically for the mission that it was supposed to go on before Reach was hit.
    Think it may have been in a flashback sequence. IIRC, Cortana (or someone) was describing how the PoA had been modified for its special mission (carry Spartans behind Covenant lines to grab a Covenant ship and a Prophet).

  77. erickyboo June 19, 2013 at 11:45 pm -      #4777

    New thing, except more Halcyons were pulled out as seen in halo 4 and forward unto dawn, and with the UNSC upgrading ships… It gives the next generation of upgrades!

  78. erickyboo June 21, 2013 at 1:08 pm -      #4778

    I got more! A destroyer on Reach was able to fire it’s two MACs each 15 Seconds or so. It killed three cruisers, 6 rounds, fired three times.
    Destroyers have two MACs.

  79. ZomBat June 21, 2013 at 5:01 pm -      #4779

    So, I am not reading all forty pages, do Halo sensors have the ability to sense Mass Effect ships?

  80. Urdnot Lowk June 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm -      #4780

    “So, I am not reading all forty pages, do Halo sensors have the ability to sense Mass Effect ships?”
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    They can through the awesome power of using windows
    thecomicking.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/halo-wars-serinas-bridge.jpg
    Wait, what are halo’s windows made of? How did they survive combat without shields all this time?

  81. ZomBat June 21, 2013 at 6:17 pm -      #4781

    Well, that doesn’t allow them to sense ALOT of angles that ME ships could come from.

  82. SgCombine June 21, 2013 at 8:18 pm -      #4782

    @Lowk
    “Wait, what are halo’s windows made of?”
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    Same stuff as the Spartan IIs indestructible bones, cept this stuff is the see-through variant.

  83. erickyboo June 22, 2013 at 4:36 am -      #4783

    Haha! There are still cameras and stuff.. Other windows too. Sensors and scans, they haven’t gone into too much detail. www.halopedia.org/Sensor there are radars but haven’t specified much how else. Same question for mass effect.

    They can put the blast shield thingies on windows, like in halo wars when they go FTL, they put up the blast shield.

    I think there was a character that saying that having that view was almost worth the risk.

    The bridge is a small area, maneuvers and other stuff I guess. Covenant bridges are usually deep inside the ship.
    The unsc has huragoks. The huragoks can make transparent hulls and stuff. Modifying metal at a molecular level and turning it on/off. Pelicans can be slipspace and have reactive camo which you have to look closely and pay attention to see an outline. Prowlers can have this invisibility like field around them.

  84. Urdnot Lowk June 22, 2013 at 6:29 am -      #4784

    “Same stuff as the Spartan IIs indestructible bones, cept this stuff is the see-through variant.”
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    Oh no, there windows are made out of the bones of spartan. Those bastards.
    ===
    “Same question for mass effect.”
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    Passive sensors include visual, thermographic, and radio detectors that watch and listen for objects in space.
    Active sensors are radars and high resolution ladars (LAser Detection And Ranging) that emit a “ping” of energy and “listen” for return signals.

  85. ZomBat June 22, 2013 at 9:45 am -      #4785

    I only ask because while browsing other debates, I saw a quote of a Saber I think reducing it’s thrusters to 30% to become invisible to the Covenant. Or some such shit, ME side may want to pursue that, could make this a decisive victory.

  86. Namer June 22, 2013 at 10:22 am -      #4786

    Wait, does that mean Covenant Sensors are based upon detecting heat and energy emissions ? The exact same thing ME stealth is designed to defeat ?

  87. OriginalA June 22, 2013 at 10:40 am -      #4787

    “I only ask because while browsing other debates, I saw a quote of a Saber I think reducing it’s thrusters to 30% to become invisible to the Covenant. Or some such shit, ME side may want to pursue that, could make this a decisive victory.”
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    Oh geez, I remember reading that. That was hilarious! The fact that it implied that Covenanat sensors were complete and utter trash… ah… priceless. I swear Halo actively tries to go full retard.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q
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    “Wait, does that mean Covenant Sensors are based upon detecting heat and energy emissions ? The exact same thing ME stealth is designed to defeat ?”
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    It means that not only are Covenant Sensors based upon the same detecting methods that ME stealth is designed to defeat, but it also implies that by merely reducing power output to below an ambiguous threshold would be sufficient to appear invisible instead of the complete containment of all emissions that ME stealth does. …. That means that all ME ships could become stealth ships IF and ONLY IF Mass Effect figures out that Covenant Sensors are total crap and that if them come in slow they will be invisible.
    -
    It is possible, though I will not claim it as likely, that all Mass Effect ships naturally are below the detection threshold and thus completely invisible even while running at max output; but it is impossible to prove.
    -
    Basically, Modern Day sensors are better than Covenant sensors. Once more Halo runs on Teh Dumb^tm.

  88. OriginalA June 22, 2013 at 10:43 am -      #4788

    I should point out that both Covenant and UNSC have FTL sensors. Those run on completely unknown methods and would not check for the ME stealth methods. Those should be able to pick up ME ships no matter what. But that whole “reduce engine output to 30%” thing was just so stupid and the fact that it works speaks of some major blind spots in some very basic sensor equipment.

  89. OberHerr June 22, 2013 at 11:08 am -      #4789

    Course, with Halo 5………IF any type of tech is shown to be able to be accessed by the Janus key, that means Halo gets it.

  90. TheSorrow June 22, 2013 at 11:14 am -      #4790

    I have sneaking suspicion Halo 5 is going to partially be about getting Cortana back. Just the way they focused on her Data Chip just made me think about it.

  91. OriginalA June 22, 2013 at 11:19 am -      #4791

    “I have sneaking suspicion Halo 5 is going to partially be about getting Cortana back. Just the way they focused on her Data Chip just made me think about it.”
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    Wait, you think that they are going to bring back a character that has been central to the entire series thus far, is arguably more important than the player character, and is pretty much one of the extremely few purely “good guys”? That’s just crazy talk. That would completely invalidate the emotional feel of her sacrifice at the end of the previous game. OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO BRING CORTANA BACK! … although I think she’s going to sit the next two games out and Halsy have a bigger role. Cortana coming back will be at the peak or conclusion of the Forerunner “Saga”.

  92. ZomBat June 22, 2013 at 11:24 am -      #4792

    If Cortana comes back, I am done with Halo. I love the series, but fuck, you can only ride two characters so hard for so long. Retire MC and Cortana already. I would rather have a new ODST game really.
    -
    As to this match, Halo sensors are at a massive disadvantage. Firepower doesn’t matter much when you don’t know where your enemy is.

  93. TheSorrow June 22, 2013 at 11:25 am -      #4793

    I’m just not as big as a cynic when it comes to Halo (as crazy as that sounds). It’s possible they were focusing on it because Master Chief was haunted by her words of trying to be “more Human”.

  94. Lightning June 22, 2013 at 11:28 am -      #4794

    Honestly from a personal standpoint, I would like if Cortana came back, especially if she’s snarky again. It’s just that..she’s practically Halo. She was the character to MC’s roboticness. Quite an excellent contrast.
    -
    But hey, story wise, her coming back would be pretty bad after the sacrifice she made.

  95. Kytheros June 22, 2013 at 11:40 am -      #4795

    If/when Cortana returns, I don’t think it will be as an AI (or at least, not purely an AI). I think she’s going to have a (permanent) physical form when she gets brought back.
    Remember, the Composer/associated technologies/systems had two functions – the absorbing of people and changing them, and the turning AIs/etc physical. We had a teaser of that with the Cortana fragment touching MC at the end.
    Cortana/copies of her were loaded all over the Composer, and I find it hard to believe that she had all that time with the Composer’s systems and she didn’t do something extra.
    Actually, I rather suspect Cortana’s going to be reunited with Halsey before they are reunited with MC.

  96. OberHerr June 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm -      #4796

    Basically what Kytheros said. They focused way too much on Cortana being for human than Chief for them not too.

  97. OberHerr June 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm -      #4797

    “As to this match, Halo sensors are at a massive disadvantage. Firepower doesn’t matter much when you don’t know where your enemy is.”
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    Except, aren’t they also shown to be FTL?
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    I would call that “reduce thrusters” thing either PIS on the Covenants part, or possible because the Sabres are so small.

  98. TheSorrow June 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm -      #4798

    Fuuuuucccckk no. The only way it could get any cornier is if the Composer roughly translates to “Blue Fairy”.

  99. Commander Cross June 22, 2013 at 12:16 pm -      #4799

    Chief man is like Eragon in a way.

  100. ZomBat June 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm -      #4800

    “Except, aren’t they also shown to be FTL?”
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    Wut? How would that help in combat?

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