Halo Vs Mass Effect

Halo Vs Mass Effect

Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the BankGambling readers.

Who wins?

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  1. ArtemisE November 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm -      #4201

    it has not been specified which factions of halo would be facing off against the mass effect council races. if it was the humans then in space the council races would probably win but if it was against the covenant the council would be destroyed very quickly.

    the main reasons for this:

    the covenant have self guided plasma bolts that could easily hit the enemy ships while they were moving and as could easily evade the projectiles of the enemy. the range of these weapons is also far longer than that off the Mac gun and so would be an even match for the ME dreadnaughts weapons. and it cannot be argued that because the plasma travels slower it could be destroyed by the ME ships weapons, this is absurd because the plasma would just disintegrate anything it came in contact with.

    every covenant ship can detach damaged sections so unless you instant hit the centre of the ship the covenant ship would still be combat effective. it is also very unlikely that the Covenant would even receive any damege to its hull because of its shield are far stronger than the kinetic barriers used in mass Effect. the energy shield also block all matter so the kinetic barrier penetrating weapons would have little effect on the ship.

    the covenant weapons are far more advanced then that of any ME ships. they do not use to need nukes the have anti matter charges with an much larger destructive range. the covenant ships also use point lasers that will not even be effected by kinetic barriers.

    The way the ships travel. all ME ships have to use mass drivers to travel through the galaxy while all covenant warships are equipped with hyper drives and so can travel anywhere via hyperspace. the ships also have pinpoint accuracy while in hyper space so theoretically the ships could just appear behind or very close to the enemy ships and destroy them without warning. if there was some sort of conquest through the galaxy all the covenant ships would have to do is destroy the mass drives to take the galaxy.

    so that would be the most likely outcome it the covenant had a war with the council races. and i haven’t even mentioned the covenant dreadnaught that could easily destroy most of the mass effect fleet without taking any damage.

  2. Lowk November 2, 2012 at 8:16 pm -      #4202

    “this is absurd because the plasma would just disintegrate anything it came in contact with.”
    Correct me if I got this wrong but they tend to explode when they make contact with something solid right? So by blasting them wouldn’t it cuase them to go off prematurely before the got close.

    On top of that whether goop or gas mass effect fields should work on either.
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    “every covenant ship can detach damaged sections so unless you instant hit the centre of the ship the covenant ship would still be combat effective. ”

    Kinda lowers how combat effective it could be though.
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    “they do not use to need nukes the have anti matter charges with an much larger destructive range.”

    Not sure what you mean but ME uses nuke(just illegal to use on garden planets)
    and anti matter warhead(Novaria was going to destroy peak 15 with one.
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    “all ME ships have to use mass drivers to travel through the galaxy while all covenant warships are equipped with hyper drives and so can travel anywhere via hyperspace.”

    1. I believe your talking about Mass Relays.
    2. Every ME spacecraft have FTL drives that allows them to accelerate faster then light.
    3. Mass Relays just happen to be a lot faster. They are not limited to using them to travel.
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    “the covenant ships also use point lasers that will not even be effected by kinetic barriers.”

    ME does have armor designed specifically to help defend against point lasers.
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    “the ships also have pinpoint accuracy while in hyper space so theoretically the ships could just appear behind or very close to the enemy ships and destroy them without warning.”

    Both Regular and Reaper force have shown capable of doing this. They make short jumps behind ships and Reaper did the same by jumping into the skies of a planet for bombarding it. Which thinking about would help in getting past SMAC right?

  3. SgCombine November 2, 2012 at 8:44 pm -      #4203

    “Correct me if I got this wrong but they tend to explode when they make
    contact with something solid right? So by blasting them wouldn’t it
    cuase them to go off prematurely before the got close.”
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    Covenant Plasma Torps travel at 50% speed of light and in the books at least they go right through armor. As for prematurely setting them off, certain covenant ships can do it using some special EMP weapon or something (its in Ghosts of Onyx)
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    “Kinda lowers how combat effective it could be though.”

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    Actually Covenant ships have multiple redundant systems, I don’t really see how that could lower their combat effectiveness.

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    “ME does have armor designed specifically to help defend against point lasers.”

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    Designed for ME lasers, but can they cope with Covenant grade lasers that melt through over a meter of hull from 3000 km away? I believe the lasers in Halo might actually be supperior to ME ones, in range at the very least if nothing else.

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    “Which thinking about would help in getting past SMAC right?”
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    Of course. I honestly am clueless as to why the Covenant pull this trick on UNSC ships, but not stationary defenses like the SMAC.

  4. Mr. happy November 20, 2012 at 6:31 am -      #4204

    @sg combine
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    it’s not emp it’s magnetic field generators that scramble the enemy’s plasma torp’s magnetic field
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    ‘Of course. I honestly am clueless as to why the Covenant pull this trick on UNSC ships, but not stationary defenses like the SMAC.’
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    pis?

  5. Mr. happy November 20, 2012 at 6:38 am -      #4205

    sorry for the double post but lowk i remember somewhere that archer missiles hit plasma tops with no effect to the torps

  6. SgCombine November 20, 2012 at 8:21 am -      #4206

    “it’s not emp it’s magnetic field generators”
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    ……
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    “archer missiles hit plasma tops with no effect to the torps”
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    Maybe I’m just tired, but I have no recollection of that ever happening. Could you post a quote and the book/page it comes from?

  7. Mr. happy November 21, 2012 at 3:47 am -      #4207

    the problem is i read it at the bookstore so i do not remember where it came from and i am asking for confirmation if this happened or it is just my imagination

  8. ka-tet19 November 21, 2012 at 3:51 am -      #4208

    so promethians make a difference here? disintegration weaponry

  9. the_man_with The_Answers November 21, 2012 at 6:36 pm -      #4209

    “Correct me if I got this wrong but they tend to explode when they make contact with something solid right? So by blasting them wouldn’t it cuase them to go off prematurely before the got close.”
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    You have to destabelize the magnetic field holding it. That would either take a rather large projectile, or another plasma torpedo. Linda was able to guide a torpedo into another one to make it explode, but Linda is hax with any weapon you put in her hands (Apparently starship ones too, as the odds were described something like “hitting a bullet with another bullet while shooting out of a moving car’s window”). Plus, unless you have hax skills like Linda with manually guided projectiles, you aren’t going to hit it. The target is very small comparatively, moving quite rapidly, and the weapon you are using is completely unguided.
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    “On top of that whether goop or gas mass effect fields should work on either.”
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    Maybe, maybe not. If Covenant “plasma” is some “5th state of matter” then nobody can really say whether they react with it or not.
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    “ME does have armor designed specifically to help defend against point lasers.”
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    I doubt they are up to the test of lasers that are actually actively used against other ships. As evident by both the Collector ship and even relatively small Oculus drones, ME ships are extremely vulnerable to particle/laser weapons.
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    “so promethians make a difference here? disintegration weaponry”
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    If you “bottle them up” and ship them out from Requim, then probably. Hardlight weapons, tactical teleportation, powerful shields, and regeneration/creation of units in a battle goes quite a distance in ground warfare.
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  10. SgCombine November 21, 2012 at 11:51 pm -      #4210

    Too bad the Composer was destroyed as soon as it was introduced in the current Haloverse. It would have made a great culling weapon (and a large army of knights).

  11. Mr. happy November 22, 2012 at 12:15 am -      #4211

    the forerunners can just build another one

  12. ROBOCARP December 1, 2012 at 11:59 pm -      #4212

    Mass effect wins this I think because unlike Halo, many of the different races come together to share their technology to build advanced ships and weaponry, whereas in Halo, humans simply keep fighting the covenant, the covenant weapons like the plasma pistol, plasma rifle, beam rifle and yadayada are all based of energy which is effective against shields but not so effective against human flesh. The humans in Halo have weapons like the battle, assault rifle, shotgun and shit which is used to cut the covenant’s flesh apart, unless they have shields. In Mass effect the weapons are kinda like a cross between these two weapons and pistols are used for everything, as they can be used to kill, disintegrate or disable enemy shields with the multi choice ammo system. Also in Mass effect people can lift stuff up with their minds and augmented to be more combat efficient.

  13. Mr. happy December 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm -      #4213

    on the contrary according to current incarnation covenant and unsc are willing to work together the baddies you see in halo 4 are fanatics separated from the main covenant
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    covenant plasma weapons are VERY effective against flesh one shot to the arm and there is nothing but pulp another to the torso and you can be cut in 2
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    ps
    can someone get the quote where Thel engaged marines in the cole protocol?

  14. SgCombine December 7, 2012 at 9:50 am -      #4214

    @Mr.happy
    Not sure which one you mean but heres one just as good.
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    “He grunted and kept forcing the plasma rifle down until it was aimed at Kincaide’s feet. He pulled the trigger, and a burst of white-hot plasma destroyed the Insurrectionist’s leg and threw Keyes back, still holding onto the rifle. Concrete bubble where they’d stood, and Keyes felt the legs of his uniform burning. He patted the fire out quickly, and looked at Kincaide. The man had lost his left leg, blown clean off at the thigh. He’d been shot in the shoulder and chest. Yet he now had a small pistol in his right hand, lifting it up to point it at Keyes with determination in his glazed eyes. Without hesitation, Keyes blew the Insurrectionist’s head off his body with a burst of plasma.”
    Cole Protocal
    Pg.78

  15. Zazax December 7, 2012 at 10:30 am -      #4215

    “on the contrary according to current incarnation covenant and unsc are willing to work together the baddies you see in halo 4 are fanatics separated from the main covenant”
    Unless something changes radically in Thursday War (as I haven’t read it yet), the UNSC and Covenant are *not* all buddy-buddy. ONI is activley fostering civil war within the Covenant, for god’s sake. They may be willing to work together temporarily, but they won’t like it. It’s not anywhere near the same level of cooperation found between, say, the Citadel races in ME.

  16. Kytheros December 7, 2012 at 10:43 am -      #4216

    Oh, man, things get worse in Thursday War. Not only is ONI arming the Covenant nutjobs opposed to the Arbiter’s actions, they blow up some of his ships that were engaging the nutjobs in order to let the top nutjobs escape.
    Of course, they didn’t help their cause by taking another top nutjob to Onyx, and then letting him wander the place with one of the local Huragrok – including to one of the portal nodes, which he used to escape back to the Covenant, to an area that was behind the times, ie, not up on the Betrayal.
    That’s also where he learned about Requiem and that the Didact was still there.
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    Oh, yes, they’re all such great friends.

  17. erickyboo December 8, 2012 at 2:21 am -      #4217

    The one responsible for that got punished.
    Peace is less complicated than war generally. If you can postpone dealing with peace time while the enemy fights itself and you grow stronger, then you can make the rules. And it worked. Humanity is now at the top.

    Imagine the Didact murdering Shepherd. [:D]
    The mantle’s approach must have taken several shots from the MACs. Any calculations?

    And Hm, how do we begin to calculate the Promethean weapons strength? Also what about the terminal weapons when they fight the humans?

  18. Mr. happy December 8, 2012 at 7:00 am -      #4218

    @SgCombine
    it is a good one but i was talkin bout the one thel raided a unsc ship and got trapped by marines in the bridge
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    @ Zazax
    yes u are absolutely right but wouldn’t the unsc work together with the covenant until they defeat ME before resuming those operations? or even let the covenant lead the charge and take heavy casualties?
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    @Kytheros
    yes they are friends who will work together to survive but back stab each other when it’s over
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    no idea erickyboo

  19. Mr. happy December 31, 2012 at 12:56 am -      #4219

    and i killed it

  20. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 4:05 am -      #4220

    When they do Universe versus stuff like this I usually go with this idea, adopt it or not this is what I use. What if everyone – good/bad + past/present/future (at least as far as the lore goes) – each on their respective sides all joined together to destroy the other. So everyone in the ME Universe vs everyone in the Halo Universe… This would make the fight very interesting. The fight would be close (as it usually is in sci-fi versus battles) but I think Halo takes the prize. Considering I am using my theory (as stated above) then they would have the Precursors (although little data on them is known), the Forunners (would be the basis as they are the powerful and we know more about them compared to the Precursors), the Flood, UNSC and Covenant… I don’t believe I missed anybody? Anyway from what I know of the two universes, even though ME has the Reapers they would just be overpowered. All of those glorious troops mentioned in the comments above would just be either the next meal for the flood or the next Promethean… Imagine Halo fans if the the Forunners approved the Didact’s plan… And he made it big enough to hit entire planets… The Composer would be amazing!

  21. Zazax January 4, 2013 at 7:17 am -      #4221

    @Virgil
    We actually have a sort of default setup for Universe matches that we use if the match has no stipulations regarding it; the most recent incarnation where the ‘verse is still capable of actually fighting back.
    For Halo, that means as of the end of Halo 4. So no Forerunners, no Precursors, no Flood, just the newly-advanced UNSC and the splintered Covenant. The Composer is gone, the Ark is destroyed, the Infinity is present, etc.
    For Mass Effect it becomes a bit more difficult. Depending on your view, it could either be some point during ME3 (not quite current, but we have actual information on it), or one of the various possible endings (more current, but less available info).
    *shrug*

  22. BC January 4, 2013 at 7:19 am -      #4222

    ” What if everyone – good/bad + past/present/future (at least as far as the lore goes) – each on their respective sides all joined together to destroy the other. ”
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    That is known as a “composite” universe battle and some are set up like that though not that many from what I have seen. This particular battle thread is not one of the composite ones since it does not explicitly say it is which makes it the default “latest incarnation” type.
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    If this was a composite fight the Mass Effect side would have things like the Protheans and Leviathans which would make things difficult for the Halo side and also impossible to debate properly since there is not much if any more information on them then there is about the Forerunners.

  23. UnauditedCloud January 4, 2013 at 1:03 pm -      #4223

    @Virgil: You must be new here, so as a heads up, stay out of the Star Wars vs Halo thread and just ignore OriginalA.

    @Zazax, I can’t be for sure but I recall in the latest Forerunner novel that it was stated that there were more than 1 ark.
    And has anyone seen Mass Effect: Paragon Lost yet? I saw about five minutes of it on youtube, and it looked like they overpowered the Collectors, and made then 15 feet tall.

  24. OriginalA January 4, 2013 at 1:15 pm -      #4224

    “and just ignore OriginalA.”
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  25. PrimusxPilus January 4, 2013 at 1:53 pm -      #4225

    @OA
    Nice

  26. UnauditedCloud January 4, 2013 at 2:42 pm -      #4226

    @OA: Thats cute.

  27. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm -      #4227

    @Zazax

    Thanks for the help, I’m new so I’m just getting a hang of the site. Depending on your POV (Point of View) this can be extremely unfair. Sure at the end of Halo 4 they have the Infinity, some new technology and the Halos but ME has the Reapers, the Leviathan, the combined races of the Citidal, an unfair fight if you ask me. The Reapers would just blast right through anything the humans have, there are just so many… They don’t stand a chance without the Forunners, just saying… Unless they use the Halos (Which I’m sure many fanboys have brought up, please forgive me)… Personally I think a composite universe battle would be more interesting. From what I have learned from fans of the games it would be fun :)

    @BC

    “If this was a composite fight the Mass Effect side would have things like the Protheans and Leviathans which would make things difficult for the Halo side and also impossible to debate properly since there is not much if any more information on them then there is about the Forerunners.”

    - Usually when I debate stuff that we don’t have a lot of info on, we just use what we know. Since we don’t know alot about the Protheans (except their technology) and the Leviathan (Correct me if I’m wrong isn’t their DLC to explain about it?) I would say just drop them. Also, you would be surprised on how much info we have on the Forunners… A lot with Halo 4 and the Forunner books. Not so much on the Precursors (Just some of their tech) so I would say just use their tech and leave them out. It evens the playing field. Like the Precursors we know some about their tech but not a lot about them so I would probably (Depends we do know some about them so we might keep them if we do a fight like that) drop them. It really depends on the moment and the decisions of the people.

    @Admin

    Can I suggest a composite universe fight with Halo vs Mass Effect? I think it would even the playing field and make things more interesting.

    @UnauditedCloud

    Yes, I’m new *hangs head in shame*… If I had known about this earlier I would have joined up a LONG time ago. Is there anything I should know as a “new guy”? Why should I stay out of the Halo vs Star Wars thread? Why should I ignore OriginalA? Thanks for the help.

    @OriginalA

    Love that laugh :) That guy is an amazing actor.

  28. UnauditedCloud January 4, 2013 at 2:53 pm -      #4228

    @OA, I apologize, my roommate set the kitchen on fire, so I haven’t been in the best mood.

  29. PrimusxPilus January 4, 2013 at 3:08 pm -      #4229

    @Virgil
    OriginalA should actually be heeded in most cases. He’s a veteran with a solid head, accurate calculations, proof to back up whatever he claims, doesn’t fanwank and rarely is moved to wrath. He and I just don’t abide fanboys, trolls, or blatant stupidity. Otherwise welcome!

  30. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 3:16 pm -      #4230

    @PrimusxPilus

    I will do my best. If needed I will supply evidence to back up my points and I hate fanboys, trolls and blatantly stupid people as well. I hope that I will be able to abide by these guidelines lol.

  31. UnauditedCloud January 4, 2013 at 3:17 pm -      #4231

    I’ve got a good feeling about the new guy.

  32. SgCombine January 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm -      #4232

    @Virgil
    You can send matches via Battle-request it’s on the left side under HEADS UP, in case you didn’t already know. Also, welcome to BankGambling!

  33. Lowk, puncher of faces January 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm -      #4233

    “And has anyone seen Mass Effect: Paragon Lost yet? I saw about five minutes of it on youtube, and it looked like they overpowered the Collectors, and made then 15 feet tall.”
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    Anime has teenage girls with the ability to planet bust and Willpower is enough to operate and galaxy sized mech. Anime makes everything overpowered.

  34. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm -      #4234

    @SgCombine

    Thanks :) Just sent it! Hope it gets through.

  35. UnauditedCloud January 4, 2013 at 3:48 pm -      #4235

    At least with Halo Legends Frank wrote the story, but with this it just looked like two people saw a trailer for ME3 and said “hmm That Vega guy looks pretty cool, lets make a story about him.”

  36. SgCombine January 4, 2013 at 3:54 pm -      #4236

    “Anime makes everything overpowered.”
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    Don’t forget the underdog always wins in anime trend.
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    images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/0/00/HLHunters.png
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    @Virgil
    Np. Oh and before I forget, it helps if you include a pic of the characters/factions in your match.

  37. OriginalA January 4, 2013 at 3:58 pm -      #4237

    @U.A.: No problem. This is the internet. Anonymity and opinions means tact gets left behind. If I didn’t have a thick skin then I wouldn’t be here.
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    @ Virgil: You should ignore me because I harp on how Halo is powered by their own stupidity. On page 42 this match I go on a tirade about how stupid the UNSC is with their helmets and openly broadcasting their position via non-encoded GPS. In Star Wars vs Halo I redesign the Infinity to not be a stupid Russian Nesting Doll (and increased its ability to mission kill enemy ships by some 300%). I give Halo a lot of hate because there are a lot of decisions made in it simply to invoke drama or to show off how “cool” something is; unfortunately, since I don’t give their writers any credit, this requires the normal to be retarded so that what should be mundane can be celebrated as super awesome.
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    To me, Halo is a sci-fi series that tries too hard to be hard sci-fi (that is, obey the laws of physics and explain with SCIENCE!) while at the same time uses the drama often associated with soft sci-fi (where science fictional elements are merely a backdrop to a dramatic story). As a result most of the inconsistancies require bullshit magic to make up the difference between what the machines can do with their technical statistics and what they are shown to do due to their dramatic effect. Take the Spiker for example. This thing shoots pencils and should have the kinetic energy of a paper ball being thrown at your head with an underhand toss from a teenager… This is what the technical specifications of that weapon imply due to the muzzle velocity and projectile mass. Despite that this weapon is considered an actual threatening weapon (yet a real life BB rifle would actually have more lethality) and this weapon is shown to penetrate the armor of ODST members and have the capacity to pin their arms to a wall (this is the dramatic effect). Both are equally valid by canon. The hard sci fi elements imply bad things about ODST armor and even human biology in general for the Haloverse. The dramatic effect implies that this is a powerful gun and it is very dangerous. And both are canon!! So the only way to rationalize it is by assuming bullshit magic to make up the difference.
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    Now I’m a big Metroid fan. A lot of people on this site will tell you that. I openly acknowledge that Metroid has a lot of bullshit magic explanations; even ones that are hilariously worse than Halo requires you to assume; most notably planet Zebes having a gravity well that is 865.5 times more powerful than Earth and that a normal human girl survived there at age 3 for a little while before being augmented by bullshit space tech magic to allow her to survive. It’s crazy stupid, but here is the catch. Metroid is a very soft sci-fi series. It’s plot revolves around dramatic effect. The limitations of its tech is mostly unimportant and as a result largely not quantified. It simply does not take itself seriously enough to bother with obeying physical laws (Samus’s suit can flat out break the conservation of matter and energy using only her thoughts and the only explanation is “Chozo tech”). Halo, on the other hand, actually tries to take itself seriously but it doesn’t bother with the consistency required to pull that off without making a fool of itself. As I pointed out on page 42 this match, the Keyes Loop, an important event in the Haloverse, requires:
    1) Keyes’s ship to be able to evade high c fractional projectiles (this implies that it is capable of accelerating at some several thousand gravities) and still allow sling-shotting around a planet to be a meaningful maneuver for accelerating his ship (this requires less than 1 gravity of acceleration for his ship).
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    Halo is just filled with this kind of silliness, and I point this out a lot. As a result I get labeled as something of a troll in Halo threads. And that is why I should be ignored.

  38. Aelfinn January 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm -      #4238

    ” Depending on your POV (Point of View) this can be extremely unfair.”
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    But it would be unrealistic to include things that no longer exist in that universe. If someone obviously loses, then that is what we go with, no matter how cool a “fair” fight would have been.
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    “The Reapers would just blast right through anything the humans have, there are just so many…”
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    Don’t be too sure about that. Depending on calculations and the like, the Reapers could be bug-smears on Halo’s windshield. Or vice versa. I don’t know, I haven’t been following this. Never write someone off here on the Pile.

  39. PrimusxPilus January 4, 2013 at 4:13 pm -      #4239

    @OA
    would you say Tony could take Samus? On that thread with lowk and GA. They seem to have the Hatchling beat

  40. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 4:17 pm -      #4240

    @OriginalA

    Yah, the Halo Universe is filled with stuff like that but the very thing that they at least TRY to explain as much as possible is to be commended. Some universes (using SW as an example here) automatically label anything that isn’t possible as something to do with the Force or other stuff like that… I hate it, they can at least try to be realistic! BTW I read your design and I agree with you there… But still if they made Super MACs (as shown on the Infinity) that small then why couldn’t they have more? I will take your criticism in stride (unless it gets messy, I’ll try not to rage lol) as long as it maintains at least an image of professionalism then I think I will be fine. In this particular thread who are you for? ME or Halo? Personally, I think ME will win because Halo is kinda at a disadvantage. Depending on your POV.

    @Aelfinn

    Actually they do exist (The Forunners), but then why aren’t we taking it from the level at the VERY end of ME… Where most of their army is destroyed but they won. Then I think Halo would stomp (as most of MEs forces were destroyed by the end of the game), otherwise they are at a severe disadvantage. Do you mind showing me these calculations? The Reapers use laser based tech which is extremely powerful… The Humans, for the majority of the time even lack shields. They would be vaporized although I guess if they played their cards right (HAVOK nukes, Super MACs, plasma torpedoes, etc.). The problem with this thread is that it does not directly define what factions are for and against each other. That NEEDS to be defined before going on.

  41. OriginalA January 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm -      #4241

    “But still if they made Super MACs (as shown on the Infinity) that small then why couldn’t they have more?”
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    It is my understanding that the Infinity is a one-off ship that the UNSC cannot currently reproduce due to the heavy use of Forerunner technology. I assume it is this technology that allows them to put those bigass MACs in the Infinity. My redesign just adds normal MACs, which are mass produced relatively easily.
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    “Actually they do exist (The Forunners), but then why aren’t we taking it from the level at the VERY end of ME… Where most of their army is destroyed but they won.”
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    BankGambling rules: the incarnation that is used is the latest combat viable incarnation. Mass Effect crippled itself at the end of ME3 to the point of no long range FTL, no galactic government, no communications, and possibly even no infrastructure. Its last combat capable incarnation is during the events of ME3. In Halo 4, the UNSC and the Covenant are still quite capable of waging war. The UNSC has even been boosted quite significantly and is probably in a better condition in Halo 4 then it has been since the start of the war with the Covenant (or at the very least since the loss of Reach). Even the Covenant, which was significantly hurt during Halo 2 and 3, has recovered significantly by Halo 4 (though not as much compared to the UNSC). The Didact and the Forerunner stuff is currently just a footnote in this new hostilities between the Covenant and the humans. It didn’t really change anything.

  42. deathmetal3k January 4, 2013 at 4:34 pm -      #4242

    @Virgil I believe some stated earlier which factions would
    Be used. Since it’s the latest incarnations used that means the the end of halo 4. UNSC is growing in strength, the covenant are mostly separate. It’s not clear what state the elites are in last we know they are in civil war according to Thursday War. Mass Effect however that’s a different story it’s not specific what shape they are in since the game can end has multiple endings.

    -

    Also it is stated I believe in Glasslands and Thursday War that the UNSC has control over the shield worlds and halo arrays. At least most of them. Not sure about the Ark. I also believe it is stated that there are still Flood specimens on a few Halo arrays. I would look up the info in the books but I just lent them to my friend. So if someone could confirm this info that be great! Anyways if this is the case ONI being the assholes they are could possibly use either the halo arrays or the flood on the ME forces though it would be a suicide attack since either option would kill everyone. However the Halos can be specifically, what’s the word? Umm calculated I guess to kill specific targets. If that’s the case they could be set to kill anything with biotic abilities. Anyway Not sure if its true but I think that’s also mentioned in Thursday war or Glasslands. Again if someone could confirm this thanks!

  43. OriginalA January 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm -      #4243

    factpile.com/2812-factpile-debating-rules/
    -
    Rule 2: Battle Incarnations
    All combatants are considered to be at their current incarnations, or most recent incarnation prior to death and/or incapacitation that would prevent them from engaging in battle at optimum efficiency, within their own continuities unless otherwise specified by the battle’s scenario.

  44. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 8:06 pm -      #4244

    @OriginalA

    Thanks, BTW how do I post videos?

  45. Commander Cross January 4, 2013 at 8:28 pm -      #4245

    @Virgil at #4244

    Pleased to meet you, sir.

  46. SgCombine January 4, 2013 at 8:30 pm -      #4246

    @Virgil
    Just put the link of the video and it usually shows up on here now.

  47. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 8:45 pm -      #4247

    @Commander Cross
    Likewise Commander Cross, I’ve seen your posts on the various threads you do a good job? What is your standing in this argument?

    @SgCombine
    Thanks again, lol I feel like a noob.

  48. PrimusxPilus January 4, 2013 at 8:48 pm -      #4248

    @Virgil
    We all start somewhere

  49. Ruliya January 4, 2013 at 8:51 pm -      #4249

    “Likewise Commander Cross, I’ve seen your posts on the various threads you do a good job? What is your standing in this argument?”
    __
    Cross has no standing in any argument… it’s usually just… off topic. Still he’s a nice enough guy ^^
    __
    But welcome to the site ^^ Do enjoy your stay.
    __
    P.S your avatar creeps me out… not sure why.

  50. Aelfinn January 4, 2013 at 8:53 pm -      #4250

    “P.S your avatar creeps me out… not sure why.”
    -
    Two blank, unblinking eyes, with no mouth to scream…

  51. Ruliya January 4, 2013 at 8:58 pm -      #4251

    “Two blank, unblinking eyes, with no mouth to scream…”
    __
    Thanx… explain my fear. I’m not going to sleep tonight, thank you ;P

  52. PrimusxPilus January 4, 2013 at 9:05 pm -      #4252

    Haha

  53. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm -      #4253

    “Ark is destroyed”
    -
    The SMALL Ark is destroyed, unless I am remembering incorrectly.
    -
    “On page 42 this match I go on a tirade about how stupid the UNSC is with their helmets and openly broadcasting their position via non-encoded GPS.”
    -
    Frankie explained that in the FuD special commentary thing. Something about intentionally breaking the helmets to do that for the sake of that particular exercise.
    -
    “Halo is a sci-fi series that tries too hard to be hard sci-fi ”
    -
    Indeed. Even worse now with the fact that grunts aren’t hilarious anymore and they seemed to have killed the funny dialogue while fighting.
    -
    “labeled as something of a troll in Halo threads.”
    -
    A troll?
    Pffffffffffft. No.
    Just a HATER!
    -
    -jk
    -
    @Virgil
    Well, you don’t seem to be stupid, so welcome. One thing though, try to space more between “blocks” like
    -
    so.
    -
    But otherwise, welcome.

  54. Virgil January 4, 2013 at 10:09 pm -      #4254

    @Ruliya
    -
    Thanks :) I didn’t think my avatar would freak people out lol :) This particular avatar is based off one of my favorite game characters, Vergil, a “dumb” AI who was basically sentient and monitored the city of New Mombasa, helping the main character of the game. He is AKA the Superintendant (Yes, this is from Halo 3: ODST). Anyway he is amazing, one of my favorites. I hope this fear doesn’t cause you to lose to much sleep :)
    -
    @Aelfinn
    -
    You could describe him as that… Though I usually don’t lol.
    -
    @TheManWithTheAnswers
    -
    Yay! I’m not stupid! lol. I’ll try to space more. Hope what I’ve been doing works.

  55. the_man_with The_Answers January 4, 2013 at 11:30 pm -      #4255

    “This particular avatar is based off one of my favorite game characters, Vergil, a “dumb” AI who was basically sentient and monitored the city of New Mombasa, helping the main character of the game. He is AKA the Superintendant (Yes, this is from Halo 3: ODST). Anyway he is amazing, one of my favorites.”
    -
    I noticed that was your avatar. Virgil was indeed an awesome character (Both the AI and the Engineer, because IIRC, they sorta merged or something).
    -
    BTW, the good job with the spacing, really makes your posts flow better.

  56. Virgil January 5, 2013 at 12:12 am -      #4256

    @TheManWithTheAnswers
    -
    Yah, I thought that was cool too. They are both awesome but technically Vergil’s personality and knowledge merged with the Engineer (Whom are basically organic computers).

  57. PrimusxPilus January 5, 2013 at 12:13 am -      #4257

    I taught him well with the
    -

  58. Virgil January 5, 2013 at 12:15 am -      #4258

    @PrimusxPilus

    lol, where do you stand in this? Or are you undecided?

  59. PrimusxPilus January 5, 2013 at 12:22 am -      #4259

    Not knowledgeable of either side

  60. Virgil January 5, 2013 at 12:27 am -      #4260

    @PrimusxPilus
    -
    Too bad, Halo is an amazing game (at least for a FPS) and ME is good too, well in my opinion they ruined it but its still good. What games are you interested in?

  61. Commander Cross January 5, 2013 at 12:30 am -      #4261

    @Virgil at #4260

    All I know is that they might have Commander Shepard vs the Arbiter as far as what I can recall is concerned.

    That and the ME side has the Krogans, best to not count them out.

    I wonder if anything changed for the Covenant Elites vs the Turians if I had to wonder.

  62. Virgil January 5, 2013 at 12:39 am -      #4262

    @Commander Cross
    -
    Don’t worry I haven’t counted out the Krogans… They are true warriors… Then again they would make great warriors for the Flood too (Make them even better, stronger, faster)… I’ll check on that… *after* There is no defined leader… I’ll have to get into this one too… Turians have biotics but the Elites have basically superstrength by default… I’ll have to do some research…

  63. Commander Cross January 5, 2013 at 12:44 am -      #4263

    @Vergil at #4262

    Correct me if I’m not mistaken, but don’t the Turians seem to have a more general intelligence edge, individual for individual in their group fight?

    How that fight goes might affect how the rest of this matter might play out so far.

  64. Virgil January 5, 2013 at 1:03 am -      #4264

    @Commander Cross

    Depends… Many elites are actually quite smart. I think it would be even. Some Turians can be extremely stupid… Others not so much, I would say even.

  65. Mr. happy January 5, 2013 at 6:58 am -      #4265

    well elites are very intelligent and can plan from small scale attacks to entire planetary invasions by themselves only their now mostly discarded honor code throws this out the window

  66. Virgil January 5, 2013 at 4:15 pm -      #4266

    @Mr. Happy
    -
    Since we are fighting at each Universes latest “strong point” I have to agree with you. In Halo 4 you fight the Storm Covenant which are basically fanatics that still believed in their religion even though the Prophets had used it to control them. For the other elites honor still stands but they aren’t as zealous as before. I wouldn’t say that it is completely gone or anything near that but they are slowly on their way to recovery. Finally they are going to start acting with a clear head.

  67. Mr. happy January 6, 2013 at 2:26 am -      #4267

    @Virgil
    -
    and they respect doctors more!

  68. OMEGAMI January 6, 2013 at 5:59 am -      #4268

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgEIhI3y_o

    I think we have to rethink about Mass Effect, this information can go either way as an advantage or a disadvantage for the Mass Effect universe.

  69. OMEGAMI January 6, 2013 at 6:05 am -      #4269

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI_RlDHTBE

    How is Mass Effect going to think straight if Shepard needs porn in order to defeat the Halo universe?

  70. Mr. happy January 7, 2013 at 5:45 am -      #4270

    i love gamer poop but i dont think tats canon

  71. The Expert January 15, 2013 at 10:13 am -      #4271

    Epic pic of Halo vs. ME
    www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=active&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=475&tbm=isch&tbnid=NYr-H2-pHr-7gM:&imgrefurl=http://some-bored-guy.deviantart.com/art/Master-Chief-vs-Commander-Shepard-295857074%3Foffset%3D20&docid=ciYgHbMCH37_RM&imgurl=http://www.deviantart.com/download/295857074/master_chief_vs_commander_shepard_by_some_bored_guy-d4w58s2.jpg&w=3200&h=1800&ei=aXH1UIzSJIrq9ATJ44HYCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=683&vpy=4&dur=903&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=191&ty=45&sig=101121057697148502266&page=1&tbnh=125&tbnw=230&start=0&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:92

  72. The Expert January 15, 2013 at 10:16 am -      #4272

    Anyway mass effect has the ships troops and Ground forces to totally rape halo

  73. UnauditedCloud January 15, 2013 at 10:32 am -      #4273

    @The Expert…..yeah sure…. fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/226/4/2/master_chief_and_cortana_on_the_citadel_by_droidsbane-d5b14wf.jpg

  74. Lowk Vi Britannia January 15, 2013 at 11:25 am -      #4274

    “Anyway mass effect has the ships troops and Ground forces to totally rape halo”
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    Nope. And I’m one of the guys on ME’s side.
    ====
    “fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/226/4/2/master_chief_and_cortana_on_the_citadel_by_droidsbane-d5b14wf.jpg”
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    Chief doesn’t possess the mind trickery and Shepardness to make it that far. He probably would’ve made it to the collectors then exploded for no reason what so ever.

  75. Mr. happy January 17, 2013 at 4:41 am -      #4275

    halo would probably win in space and should lose on the ground

  76. OriginalA January 17, 2013 at 4:47 am -      #4276

    “halo would probably win in space and should lose on the ground”
    -
    Given each sides’ weapon yields, speeds, and effective ranges, ME should be able to hit almost any Halo ship from some 100000x the Halo ship’s effective combat range with a weapon that has a yield that is effective against it. How is Halo going to win in space again?

  77. Mr. happy January 17, 2013 at 4:49 am -      #4277

    um energy projector? n we are keeping the forerunners out of this right?

  78. Zazax January 17, 2013 at 5:01 am -      #4278

    “um energy projector?”
    Provided it hasn’t been retconned since Fall of Reach, Energy Projectors are almost exclusively used for ‘glassing’. Only the very largest Covenant ships can effectively use them in ship-to-ship combat.
    Also, still doesn’t have the necessary range.
    -
    “n we are keeping the forerunners out of this right?”
    Always, unless specifically said otherwise in the stipulations.

  79. IamTaco January 17, 2013 at 7:37 am -      #4279

    ‘Given each sides’ weapon yields, speeds, and effective ranges, ME should be able to hit almost any Halo ship from some 100000x the Halo ship’s effective combat range with a weapon that has a yield that is effective against it. How is Halo going to win in space again?’
    -
    The fact that as of the post war UNSC they can just slipspace jump about a kilometer away from any ME fleet and thus engage at ranges where their weapon speeds aren’t going to be that much of a disadvantage?

  80. Mr. happy January 17, 2013 at 8:19 am -      #4280

    i just looked back n just saw em so my bad but iam Taco has a point,unless ME ships can turn quickly enough or use FTL outta there quickly

  81. Lowk Vi Britannia January 17, 2013 at 8:48 am -      #4281

    “unless ME ships can turn quickly enough or use FTL outta there quickly”
    -
    Frigates=can
    cruisers=slower then that
    Dreads= The slowest
    However all of them can get to FTL fairly quickly.

  82. IamTaco January 17, 2013 at 9:35 am -      #4282

    ‘Frigates=can
    cruisers=slower then that
    Dreads= The slowest
    However all of them can get to FTL fairly quickly.’
    -
    Bullshit. In that case combat in the MEverse would be virtually impossible. Ship to ship combat would never result in casualties since the instance the KBs get low they can just FTL away. All of the space combat in the series has shown that something has prevented them from instantly hitting the FTL button and fleeing whenever.

  83. Lowk Vi Britannia January 17, 2013 at 6:21 pm -      #4283

    “All of the space combat in the series has shown that something has prevented them from instantly hitting the FTL button and fleeing whenever.”
    -
    You mean all the space battles that are shown where they are either defending the Citadel or fighting for their home planets where retreating wouldn’t really be an option?
    Because other then that FTLing out of battle is stated to be in codex to be used as a method of retreat.

  84. Mr. happy January 18, 2013 at 5:19 am -      #4284

    but still slower than halo’s FTL unless they use the relays

  85. IamTaco January 18, 2013 at 5:24 am -      #4285

    ‘You mean all the space battles that are shown where they are either defending the Citadel or fighting for their home planets where retreating wouldn’t really be an option?
    Because other then that FTLing out of battle is stated to be in codex to be used as a method of retreat.’
    -
    Pls provide the quote from the codex. Also you misunderstand me. I’m not saying that they can’t use FTL to flee from the battle but it isn’t a ‘LOLNOPE get out of jail free card’ like what you think it is. The final battle of ME1 and the start of ME2 shows that they can’t just hit the FTL button and get out of trouble willy nilly. This would make space combat all but impossible in the MEverse as all ME will have to do is hit the FTL button once their KBs get low and go FTL for a nanosecond, then recharge their KBs and get back into the battle. An endless game of cat and mice. So something must be preventing them from just going FTL once the situation gets hot, things like a lack of power, navigation hazards/errors, prep time…. You know just like Halo’s slipspace drive where they have to get enough power for the thing and provide a calculation for their travel through slipspace before they can actually get going.
    -
    So no. ME can’t just FTL out of combat whenever they feel like it, there is probably some kind of prep time involved to charge the element zero core…blah,blah. The point is that when halo pulls the ‘slipspace jump a kilometer’ away from the ME fleet out of nowhere they wouldn’t be able to instantly FTL away. They would be able to do so after some prep time, say 5-10 mins in order to retreat but until then they will have to rely on their sub-light engines. Of which we know nothing about both for ME and Halo. Comparably of course.
    -
    ‘Also, still doesn’t have the necessary range.’
    -
    What are you smoking? The energy projector would have a effective combat range of a few light seconds against ME ships. That massively out ranges anything in ME.
    -
    ‘Provided it hasn’t been retconned since Fall of Reach, Energy Projectors are almost exclusively used for ‘glassing’. Only the very largest Covenant ships can effectively use them in ship-to-ship combat.’
    -
    That’s true. Energy projectors are used by the covenant almost exclusively for glassing and only the biggest and rarest ships the covenant have combat rated energy projectors . However this is migrated by the fact that energy projectors massively outrange ME, that they by-pass KBs, that they have the potential to take out multiple ships in a single shot, that they can pin-point accuracy and they have enough firepower to one-shot any ship in the MEverse. And the fact that the ships that do have combat rated energy projectors are the ones with much more powerful shields….and well everything, compared to the run of the mill Covenant frigate. Would be a real bitch for ME to take down even one of them.So even in small numbers they would rape ME.
    -
    Also are you forgetting something? You know the 38 kiloton raligun ME has. One of the few weapons in ME that has a comparable firepower to Halo. Guess what? It also belongs to one of the biggest,rarest and most expensive and time consuming ships to produce in ME. You are acting like it’s the standard gun/firepower level for the common frigate. That honor goes to Halo. Said dreadnought need a 800 meter length mass accelerator for said yield of 38 kiloton, of which ME has only build about a hundred or so, is so rare that is is considered a privilege for a fleet to have a single one and so powerful in-universe that a fleet without a dreadnought would not dare to fight another fleet with a single dreadnought in it.
    -
    And the fact that the only thing able to bring down an enemy dreadnought in ME is another dreadnought or an entire fleet. And this with weapons that are extremely effective against KBs. So in light of this information what do you think the firepower level of the common frigate and cruisers are? They would be lucky to have single kilotons firepower. For the cruisers at least. Frigates 100% have sub-kiloton firepower. And remember, this are the most common ships in the MEverse, the dreadnought with their double kiloton firepower is extremely rare. Of course, that’s if you don’t include the reapers. Which brings me to another point. You know the destroyers? They seem to be the equal to the ME frigates and/or cruisers. And guess what? They don’t have anywhere close to kiloton firepower and KBs.
    -
    So while combat rated energy projectors are extremely rare in halo don’t kid yourself into thinking that single or double kiloton firepower is extremely common is ME either. They like the energy projectors only belong to the biggest and rarest ships.

  86. Mr. happy January 18, 2013 at 5:51 am -      #4286

    so halo has a chance?

  87. Lowk Vi Britannia January 18, 2013 at 6:25 am -      #4287

    “The final battle of ME1 and the start of ME2 shows that they can’t just hit the FTL button and get out of trouble willy nilly.”
    -
    The final battles are around key strategic points where retreat wasn’t exactly an option.
    ===
    “This would make space combat all but impossible in the MEverse as all ME will have to do is hit the FTL button once their KBs get low and go FTL for a nanosecond, then recharge their KBs and get back into the battle.”
    -
    I don’t think shield and repairs take nanoseconds to recharge/repair. They also have to discharge and if they’ve been fighting for a while they would need to cool down some before they jump back into battle.
    ===
    In the Jeff portion of ME2, right after he returned power they quickly went FTL to retreat.
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2G0tXmDIFNI#t=370s
    Note I said quickly. Not “instantly”, “spontaneously”, or “lol FTLbutton”.
    ===
    “So something must be preventing them from just going FTL once the situation gets hot, things like a lack of power, navigation hazards/errors, prep time…. You know just like Halo’s slipspace drive where they have to get enough power for the thing and provide a calculation for their travel through slipspace before they can actually get going.”
    -Some of the things that would prevent a ship from going into FTL would be.
    Larger objects obstructing the immediate path of the ship, Pretty sure that was the reason they didn’t just FTL right up to collector base(all the debris surrounding it.
    Being in atmosphere since I’m fairly certain the results would be disastrous.
    Extensive damage keeping them from doing so since as EDI pointed out if the ships open then the things inside get deaded. I Think that the barrier in front of the hole at the end of ME 2 was to prevent that…. and probably also keep the air in.
    ===
    “but still slower than halo’s FTL unless they use the relays”
    -
    OA or Taco probably know. I think they’ve done some speed calcs for ME and Halo before on here though.

  88. Lowk Vi Britannia January 18, 2013 at 6:39 am -      #4288

    “so halo has a chance?”
    -
    Are they losing? I thought Halo was the one with the advantages in space I thought.

  89. Dark God of Chaos January 18, 2013 at 6:41 am -      #4289

    “Are they losing? I thought Halo was the one with the advantages in space I thought.”
    -
    I thought Halo was winning due to superior space capabilities last I heard, granted that was a long time ago

  90. Lowk Vi Britannia January 18, 2013 at 6:49 am -      #4290

    Wait, I said I though twice didn’t I? Well While I’m off topic here’s a group of badass heroes.
    www.wallmay.net/thumbnails/detail/20120703/metroid%20starcraft%20samus%20aran%20mass%20effect%20halo%20master%20chief%20dead%20space%20final%20fantasy%20xiii%20dreams%20vanq_www.wallmay.com_64.jpg

  91. OriginalA January 18, 2013 at 6:51 am -      #4291

    “OA or Taco probably know. I think they’ve done some speed calcs for ME and Halo before on here though.”
    -
    Halo 4 slipspace FTL jumps are stupid fast. Like, unexplained, powered by the plot, typical Halo bullshit sloppy writing fast. Literally, they move as fast as the plot demands it for no other reason than just because. The UNSC got their upgrade cause Forerunner tech; the Covenant don’t have an excuse ; they are just there and are as fast as they need to be.
    -
    The UNSC went from something like 300 ly/month to 262000 ly/month. Yeah… it’s stupid fast. … That’s a low estimate. High estimates would actually put them faster than the Relays.
    -
    I would like proof of Halo using tactic FTL jumps. Cause the only mid-battle FTL jumps I’ve seen were in Halo 2, which was a retreat and it wasn’t exactly in reaction to something, and Halo 4, where it seemed to me that the Infinity just so happened to have exited FTL inside an enemy fleet formation by accident rather than on purpose. So, yeah, pony up some evidence for that one.

  92. OriginalA January 18, 2013 at 6:57 am -      #4292


    Are they losing? I thought Halo was the one with the advantages in space I thought.”
    -
    Shitty weapon range. Slow ass weapons. Crappy shields. An implicate speed disadvantage.
    -
    ME ships have an effective combat range against Halo ships that puts the ME ships some 1000+ times the Halo effective range. Halo ships are rediculously bad at everything except sheer firepower and bullshit FTL when compared to ME ships, and the ME ships can make up for the sheer firepower by being able to deliver effective fire on target at a range that is about 1000 times beyond the effective range of the Haloverse ship’s weapons range when those shitty weapons are used against their own shitty ships. When used against ME ships they are going to have to get even closer in order to effectively aim.
    -
    Basically. A haloverse ship has a better chance at ramming a ME ship instead of shooting it, cause their guns suck that much.

  93. Mr. happy January 18, 2013 at 7:13 am -      #4293

    so halo might win in a melee while ME wins in ranged unless halo can tac jump close to engage in a melee

  94. OriginalA January 18, 2013 at 7:16 am -      #4294

    I hope you realize how stupid it sounds to mention melee combat and space ships and have them reference each other.

  95. Praetor Prefect (The Most Radical Man in the Radical Land) January 18, 2013 at 7:22 am -      #4295

    @Original
    Meleé as in closer range fights, not necessarily hand to hand

  96. Zazax January 18, 2013 at 7:24 am -      #4296

    I’m imagining two fleets of ships charging each other and engaging in acrobatic knife-fights.
    … What?

  97. Lowk Vi Britannia January 18, 2013 at 7:41 am -      #4297

    “I’m imagining two fleets of ships charging each other and engaging in acrobatic knife-fights.
    … What?”
    -

    No this is Halo and ME, they use lasers as knives. Your thinking of Outlaw Star.
    www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8SPBJRzW2HM#t=74s

  98. Zazax January 18, 2013 at 7:43 am -      #4298

    Holy crap, spaceship knife fights are actually a thing.

  99. OriginalA January 18, 2013 at 7:55 am -      #4299

    @Zazax:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgZ62j3VykA
    -
    It’s hilarious!

  100. Mr. happy January 18, 2013 at 7:58 am -      #4300

    @OA
    what preator said
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    like the final battle at earth in ME3 where all the ships are next to each other

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