Published on January 27, 2009, by admin - Posted in SwordFighters 77
The fanboy in me wants to give this match to Drizzt. But after some research, I’m not sure that victory could come easily. Skilgannon has an impressive pair of swords that easily match the Drow’s…
The better swordman wins.
Dear God.. It was put up. I’m stunned
Many thanks Admins
I’d let wiki give a rundown, but skilgannon has about three lines. Even Druss only has a parapgraph. Its a travesty I tells ya!
Quick bit of background on Skilgannon.
Wielding the Swords of Night and Day, both swords possesed by demons, and having trained from a young age with swordmasters and dancers to push his agilty as far as it could go, and then some. Skilgannon beat his swordmaster at the age of 14, and went on to greater feats when his foster family were killed during a coup.
He went on to be the general of an all conquering army, only once meeting his match on the battlefield. No-one before or since has come close to matching Skilganon. Barring His own magically cloned and enhanced son. And skilgannon beat him too.
Master of the dual wielding style, tactician and martial artist, without the swords he is merely deadly. With them, he is unbeatable.
So, presuming Drizzt with his swords versus skilgannon with his own… Who comes out on top?
Wow, this is one of those instances where the one that I know nothing of seems supperior on the surface. I won’t feel safe in casting a vote until I am able to read the Dranei Series, but I find it hard to see a being that can easily match Drizzt in his own playing field.
I guess I’ll have to come back to this one at a later date, or hope for others to provide even more info on Skilgannon.
What kind of info do you need?
I have both books that will tell you anything about his life nearby.Battles, feats, Gods, comparisons.
Baring in mind he lives in a realistic world, where if a single man faces an army he will die, and where sieges usually end in huge, if not total, casualties for the defended, Skilgannon has only died once, in his 70’s, mere feet away from the king of the opposing army, having lead a charge of around a hundred men into an army outnumbering them ten to one.
And he came back to life because of magic, thousands of years later, in a world ruled by magic.
He went on to outwit what was essentially an evil batman with magic and minions, two blasts from the past and an army of were-creatures.
..Oh, and the true love of his life wants his dead.
Oleg Skilgannon stomps on Drizzit, he is nigh on invincible with the Swords of Night and Day able to move with blistering speed and strength and if its post ressurection he has far more experience, having spent hundreds of years battaling evil souls in the Land of the Dammed. He is famed for being one of the greatest nashanite swordmasters ever, only being surpassed in skill by his psychopathic desendant Decado the Ice Killer who moved so fast he was able to defeat a precog in a swordfight. In ‘White Wolf’ and ‘the Swords of Night and Day’ Skilgannon fights against huge joinings made by ‘melding’ dying men to bears and tigers and other large carnivores.
If you’ve never read a novel of Skilgannon the Dammed then, well you’ve missed out big time. Also, it’s called magic, but it’s not, it’s acctually ancient technology that is more advanced in some areas, for example medical science, than a lot of science fiction.
Oh, just wanted to say thank you Mr Admin for making this battle
No problem – enjoy! – Admin
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Will no-one stand up for the drow?
I could always argue for him, but I feel I would be inadecuate in providing a logical opposite standpoint as I dont know Skilgannon. One thing is to know stats and attributes, but another is to know how he thinks and would react.
Besides, there are enough Drizzt matches up already to explain his stats (which I invite everybody to go have a look).
So far, what I have been able to read on the interwebs (very little actually) puts these two on a fairly even playing field. In my mind, this is a 50/50 fight where anything can happen depending on the given scenario.
Could either of you explain the properties of his swords?
Also, I invite you guys to join the forums. I started a discussion regarding Fantasy books and I’d like your input on that subject.
BTW, this is an example of a future rocket scientist:
“The better swordman wins.”
It is annoying at times how little coverage Gammels characters get online, especially with the wealth of information one can find on eragon, which as literature rates just below fanfic crossovers of DBZ and Pokemon.
The swords enhance skilgannons already impressive speed and skill to a higher level. With them in his possesion he had made mockeries of master swordsmen, and taken on 6 skilled warriors without a wound being struck against him.
What their penetrative capabilities are its hard to say, but their “buffs” alone make him a deadly foe.
On top of that they are superbly crafted weapons, both short sabers, so easily dual-wieldable.
He also has a small shuirken-like weapon, but I can’t see that it would have any effect in this match
I’ve always interpereted them as being more akin to three foot katanas than sabres, especially if you see the current book covers. This is because they are repeatedly described as curved and that they carried in a single wooded sheath worn across the back both of which are reminiscent of the swords carried by the Samurai. Also, he is able to wield one sword in a two handed manner which would not be possible with a short sabre. Lastly, he has never been known to need to sharpen, or care for the swords in any way, occasionally even sheathing a sword without wiping it clean. This indicates that they are eversharp and unbreakable. Another thing that lends credence to this is that both the Swords of Night and Day, the Swords of Blood and Fire (from which they where copied) and Deathwalker’s axe stayed sharp and untouched by rust or damage after centuries of neglect while buried in a tomb.
As Jwlynas stated they were imbued with spells to strengthen the user as well as granting them heightened reactions and improved speed. Unfortunatly as they were crafted by the Old Woman they also infect the user with bloodlust which in the end led to the Slaughter of Perapolis where after the battle the Queen ordered Skilgannon to lead his army through the streets of the city killing every one of the 10,000 inhabitants except for one child who was hidden by her mother. This was the main reason he became known as the Dammed.
The tattoos that adorn his upper body signify that he has faced and killed over a hundred fellow swordmasters and champions who felt they were capable of beating him in single combat. Needless to say they were wrong and Skilgannon is undefeated, the only person who might have stood a chance of beating him was the legendary Druss.
I think the main reason Gemmell suffers from under exposure is because he was British and secondly because he is dead, but mainly because his books are aimed at adults.
*i said reason, i meant to say reasons
Well Gemmel might get a little more recognition now he has his own award-event.
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On topic: The basic reasoning behind the swords of night and day being sabers was that, with the way his sheathe works, it would be a feat indeed to withdraw both from the scabbard on his back at the same time. Three feet katanas, unless I miss my maths somehow, would require something like a 7-8 foot clearance for his arms.
As soon as you mess up….
“As soon as you mess up….”
The Triumvirate shall be there.
Count on it!
I dunno, I always interpereted them as katanas although I saw the problems with th drawing I still only make the arm clearance 3 foot per arm but also I think the sheath is spring loaded to assist the quick draw
that guy may be fast be drizzt has magic anklets of speed a fire eating sword and dwarf forged mithral armour plus i think guenhwyvar would burry him while drizzt cuts his throat
Skilgannon doesn’t need armour, he is that fast! Does this armour cover his throat, his face, his extremities? No, then he’s dead!
can skil out run a 600lb panther ? and no it doesnt protect his throat and face those scimitars that have every drow in menzoberranzan running in fear even magic users do and i dont know much adout the other guy i could not find anything even using google drizzt has fought countless monsters and plus if he started to lose he would just fall into the hunter a state of concentration that makes him far faster and stronger than normally also makes him alot more blood thirsty and yes it covers his extremities plus theres the fact drizzt can summon orbs of darkness to blind his opponent how good is skil at fighting blind??? cause the drows very good concidering his home city wherte he grew up has no lights i say drizzt for this one unless anyone can link me a website that tells me more about skilgannon and only if that site irrefutably tells me drizzt would lose will i change my opinion
also to your drawing his swords problems maybe the scabbards are slit along the top edge so he only has to draw them half way be fore he can pull them out
oh geez i just realized i spelled menzoberanzan without any help i got watch a ufc match or something
Look guys we all know that Olek Skilgannon would win. Drizzt has the hunter thing but Skil has the illusion of elsewhere wich is basicly the same thing and as it is a fight between two honerable people id have to say darkness globes and the wicked panther are out of the scenareo. And drizzts magical scimitars arent going to be very effective considering Skilgannon doesn’t have fire swords.
Note: the Illusion of elswhere allows Skilgannon to fight on instinct allowing for faster reactions iff all skillgannon fans can recall his fight against the Shadows in the book The Swords Of Night And Day.
Im a huge fan of both and this opinion is based on facts.
Like Jianna said after the battle with Boranius: ‘There is no-one he cannot beat. He is Skilgannon.’
i don’t know who the other guy is, yet. i’m will read one of the books he stars in. but there’s no doubt in my mind that should they meet, skilgannon would come out on top, he always does(even in his fifties he raised Hell).
As to the suggestion that a 600lb panther could even slow downSkilgannon…
I’ll just outline the basics behind a “Joining”. They are an unholy alliance of Beast and man. Often they will blend more than one animal into the mix, the most powerful attributes of each thing joined coming to the fore. Lions, Tigers, Bears (Oh my!), wolves, all of these have been molded to a human corpse and given life through magical means. What results is often only controllable by the maker themselves. The strength of a bear, the speed and agility of a Panther, the hunting instinct of a wolf and the bloodthirsty nature of a human killer all blended into one killing machine.
Skilgannon has killed these with ease.
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“oh, and with Thanks to Raven armories, i bring you The Swords of Night and Day > www.raven-armoury.co.uk/ ( They are under “Limited Editions”)”
Great site, J. Glad you shared that.
Olek Skilgannon would win. They don’t call him The Damned for nothing.
Based on pure skill, I think these two would be on equal standing. They also both have magical blades. The real tie-breaker is this: Does Drizzt have a way of countering or neutralizing Skilgannon’s inhuman speed? If he can’t, Skilgannon will dance circles around him. If he can, Drizzt wins after a long, hard battle.
After further research, I’ve concluded that Drizzt’s anklets of speed(which double the speed of his footwork OR the speed of his strikes) would compensate partially for Skilgannon’s advantage, but not quite enough to win. I’ll give this to Skilgannon based on pure swordsmanship, but I personally think that Drizzt will utilize some magical trick(like faerie fire or a globe of darkness) to distract Skilgannon for a split second to get a decisive blow in.
i’m pretty sure that the swords of night and day not only increase his skills and speed and strength but also his senses which, by the way, are already buffed by the illusion of elsewhere.
“i’m pretty sure that the swords of night and day not only increase his skills and speed and strength but also his senses which, by the way, are already buffed by the illusion of elsewhere.”
Drizzt has some pretty sharp senses as well, including infravison, that are stronger than any normal human’s. While Skilgannon could possibly get an advantage with his own buffed senses, it wouldn’t be a killing blow right there.
Also, can Skilgannon’s senses allow him to pierce a cloud of darkness that has been known to stop both super-sense-eyes and infravision techniques?
If neither one of them used any magic, including using normal swords, they would be pretty evenly matched. Skilgannon is the best swordsman to have lived in his world in centuries, and for centuries thereafter. Drizzt is very close to being the best in his world, but his world has a higher limit on swordsmanship, which brings them to pretty darn even.
With their magic swords included Skilgannon gets the nod though. His swords are just simply far more powerful and improve the wielders abilities far more than Drizzt’s do.
With all magic included the nod goes to Drizzt since he has more than enough magic equipment and abilities to balance with Skilgannon again, plus he has a magic panther ally which has to be included because she is summoned via a simple magic item. Even the Skilgannon could destroy the panther easily, he still would have to deal with her while dealing with Drizzt, and that would be sufficient advantage for Drizzt to take him.
So my conclusion is that it depends on the rules of the match.
“So my conclusion is that it depends on the rules of the match.”
Well, since no restrictions have been placed, I’d assume that both parties have all of their items and powers. That will leave it a close contest between Skilgannon’s enhanced abilities and Drizzt’s magical support.
I don’t know much about that panther but Skilgannon has cut down joinings with relative ease, so Drizzt might as well not bother summoning it.
“I don’t know much about that panther but Skilgannon has cut down joinings with relative ease, so Drizzt might as well not bother summoning it.”
I don’t think it would be entirely correct to dismiss Guenhwyvar so easily, even if Skil has taken down joinings before. As formidable as these creatures sound, I’m not so sure how they would stack up next to Guen. Guen is not just an ordinary panther, after all, but a spiritual-hunter-aspect being that comes from a different plane than the mortal world, and is magical in nature. While I think Skil could probably beat the panther, it would not be so easy as has been implied.
Skilgannon would take this battle because of his kinship to Decado the Ice killer. His bloodline says it all
“Skilgannon would take this battle because of his kinship to Decado the Ice killer. His bloodline says it all”
as poetic as that sounds, i feel obliged to tell you that blood alone won’t do it. this is a contest of skill and might. They are both great warriors and are evenly-matched.
how good is Orek at dodging crossbow bolts fired from the wrist. Poisoned with a knock out drug?? hmmmm? dont forget that he is hundreds of years old and is a skilled mage… and that his garb makes him nigh invisible and extremely hard to hit….
does orek have these skills???
Drizzyt has this. I have read every series of them except the Crystal Shard, and completely know his abilities. He imporved on a move hundreds of years old, went into a Mind Flayer hive, and came out alive, and fought the strongest Demon known in Faerun.
Keep in mind he was still a child for all this, about 10 years to us…….
Guenhyvar would be a big distraction, and if Skil ‘Kills Guen…….. Drzzt goes into his rage. Once he goes in, Skil has no chance.
hmm, you guys bring some very important points here.
But Skilgannon is anything but inexperienced. You see, some 40 years, or so, after the events of White Wolf, Skilgannon was killed in battle. He was about 70 and he still managed to kill the invading king. A thousand years later Skligannon was ressurected and played an important part in helping defeat The Eternal’s Army and bring peace to the Drenai world. Although there’s no such thing there.
In beetween his death and ressurection, Skilgannon spent his time in the Void (similar to Purgatory). In here he had to fight against demons and the such to survive and not be vanquished.
Basically Skilgannon has the fighting experience of two lifetimes and from his time in the Void.
“how good is Orek at dodging crossbow bolts fired from the wrist. Poisoned with a knock out drug?? hmmmm? dont forget that he is hundreds of years old and is a skilled mage… and that his garb makes him nigh invisible and extremely hard to hit….”
Hmm, now here are some interesting points for the Drow.
Ranged attack could put Skil out of commission and end this fight, unless the Damned brings some manner of ranged weapon of his own. I’m probably not a certified Drizzt expert, since I’ve only read the first half dozen or so of his books, but I don’t remember him having magic. When did he learn magery, and what are the extents of his powers? If he can really use magic, like a wizard, then Skil is probably doomed.
“Guenhyvar would be a big distraction, and if Skil ‘Kills Guen…….. Drzzt goes into his rage. Once he goes in, Skil has no chance.”
Drizzt tends to go into a rage anyway, what with the Hunter coming out and all. Anyway, “killing” Guenhyvar would only buy Skil a little time, since the Panther can (eventually) regain it’s strength after its physical form is destroyed.(However, unless Drizzt seriously stalls this battle and runs away to fight later, he’ll probably only be able to use the panther once, here.)
Now the dodging crossbow bolts is an interesting problem. All I have to go on is comparisons.
Druss the legend, an axeman of unsurpassed skill and strength, though slower than Skilgannon, was able to cut an arrow from the air with a heavy, two handed battle axe. At the age of around seventy.
Skilgannon, in this match, would be in the prime of his life, with far better speed behind his arms and almost instantaneous reactions. Now this isn’t quite incontrovertible evidence, buts certainly worth considering. Is Skilgannon fast enough to cut a bolt from midair at range?
Maybe, but so is Drizzt. In fact, he can cut down hurled spears with his eyes closed, as taught by Mooshie.
“Is Skilgannon fast enough to cut a bolt from midair at range?”
I think this might come down to range. If Drizzt fired at the far end of what distance the crossbow is capable of hitting at, then I’d say Skil’s speed and reflexes would allow him to stop it. If Drizzt is closer . . . that would be harder to say. I think a stealth attack is the drow’s best bet here.
Could Skilgannon knock a bolt from the air if everthing around him is dark and he can’t see either his opponent or the crossbow shooting at him?
Skilgannon has killed shadow creatures, in pitch black darkness. These shadow creatures paralyze with a bite or scratch, and they move so fast they they appear to teleport. He killed three of them, while barely alive.
Again, conjecture, but its safe to assume he can deal with darkness.
I just finished reading “The Swords of Night And Day” and i’m a big Gemmell fan. I’ve also read The Icewind Dale Trilogy so I know a little about the drow elf. Skilgannon as invincible as he seems would have been killed by Boranius twice if not for help. In their first fight he was saved by a soldier who threw a spear and distracted Boranius, and in the second fight the Joining Orastes had taken a sizeably chunk out of Boranius and he was not at 100%. In “The Swords of Night And Day”, Decado would have killed Skilgannon if he had not fought alongside him and come to honor and respect him. So there are two fighters who are more skilled than Skilgannon and he himself knew this. In a fight like this Drizzt would not use any of his magic or tricks just he didn’t use any when he fought Entreri the assassin. It would be a straight up blade against blade fight. The fact is that Drizzt has waaay more experience than Skilgannon. Some people speak of Skilgannon’s time fighting demons but he can’t even remember much of this so this would not count. And who are these demons anyway, are any of them impressive in any way? It would be a very good fight but if I had to pick a winner then I’d have to go with Drizzt as he’s just crazy and everyone knows crazy people always wins. And yes i’m crazy too
“It would be a very good fight but if I had to pick a winner then I’d have to go with Drizzt as he’s just crazy and everyone knows crazy people always wins. And yes i’m crazy too”
That’s an . . . interesting take on this.
“Skilgannon as invincible as he seems would have been killed by Boranius twice if not for help”
Boranius, both times, was wielding magical weapons far in excess of Skilgannons own, so thats somewhat of an unfair comparison.
And I believe, so was Decado in the future. Skilgannon still held his own and more against the both of them, often giving back just as many wounds as he took.
“Some people speak of Skilgannon’s time fighting demons but he can’t even remember much of this so this would not count.”
Its more about his skill prior to that. He was fighting these demons for thousands of years, and its clear from the stat of his mind and soul (Both being strong even when he was resurrected) that he'[s barely had any ill effects. The demons have been spoken of before. The Rajnee for one, the Dukes for another. He’s lived that long in a world filled with horrors beyond imagining. And he’s lost none of his skill. Thats, to me, speaks of impressive skill indeed. More than enough to deal with an upstart elf.
“Skilgannon has killed shadow creatures, in pitch black darkness. These shadow creatures paralyze with a bite or scratch, and they move so fast they they appear to teleport. He killed three of them, while barely alive.”
Skilgannon is sounding more and more formidable. I had little idea he had so many extraordinary feats to his name.
All of Gemmells characters are like this. Men of legend in a world of fighters, indomitable spirits in mortal form that fight impossible odds and win, not through overpowered items or the power of love, but through sheer badassery. There is no books series I can ever recommend more than his version of the Trojan War.
Skilgannon is probably the best swordfighter in the set though. there are others who are fantastic (Bane the bastard, Culain the Lord of the Lance), but Skilgannon… he’s something special.
“All of Gemmells characters are like this. Men of legend in a world of fighters, indomitable spirits in mortal form that fight impossible odds and win, not through overpowered items or the power of love, but through sheer badassery. There is no books series I can ever recommend more than his version of the Trojan War.”
I must admit I’m intrigued. Gemmell’s series sound like an interesting read. I’m currently in the midst of 3 different book series right now, but I think this might be one author worth looking into eventually.
Have read both series,and its a close match, and as has been pointed out before, both fighters have faced better swords men, Drizzt with his father and Entreri (just) also do we know how good Jarxle really is? and Skill would have been bested by Boranious the weilder of the swords of blood and fire, Also i’d be inclined to say Decado might have been better too,
its too close to call and i’d go with drizzt purely on the fact he has mithrill armour,
what would be a good fight is Druss the legen and wulfgar!!!!!!
“its too close to call and i’d go with drizzt purely on the fact he has mithrill armour,”
This is a good point of hope for the drow, since Skilgannon is a more lightly armored type of character. Could armor forged of mithral provide enough protection to survive a blow from the Swords of Night and Day?
Hmm… Its never been known for armour to stand up to the Blades of Night and Day, indeed the swords have cut through magical crystal before now, but then there are no (to my knowledge) magical armours in the Drenai series, other than the armour of bronze.
Is it a special mithril armour, or “just” made of mithril?
As in, does it have other magical properties?
It would cut through mithril without much problem like the crystal and other armours, however, its not so much the strength of the armour against the swords its the fact that in htese epic battles there are always nicks and cuts on each combatant because they cant get a stronge heavy hit, so i think the armour would give a fair bit of extra protection from light contact hits,
as far as i’m aware the armour is mastercrafted, not magically imbued at all,
“It would cut through mithril without much problem like the crystal and other armours, however, its not so much the strength of the armour against the swords its the fact that in htese epic battles there are always nicks and cuts on each combatant because they cant get a stronge heavy hit, so i think the armour would give a fair bit of extra protection from light contact hits,”
Hmm, a good point. A really strong, direct blow would still likely be fatal, but against light nicks it might be an important advantage.
“Boranius, both times, was wielding magical weapons far in excess of Skilgannons own, so thats somewhat of an unfair comparison.
And I believe, so was Decado in the future. Skilgannon still held his own and more against the both of them, often giving back just as many wounds as he took.”
yep they both held the swords of Blood & Fire. The Old Woman crafted The Swords of NIght and Day after them.
“Skilgannon is probably the best swordfighter in the set though. there are others who are fantastic (Bane the bastard, Culain the Lord of the Lance), but Skilgannon… he’s something special.”
I know that the Jarek Mace wasn’t as good as Skilgannon but his shrewdness could keep him alive for a while. Also Mannan and the guy that had lost his hand in Knights of Dark Renown. But maybe not. truth is i like all Gemmell characters, from the books i’ve read of course.
I’m currently leaning just slightly towards Skilgannon, maybe 6/10 victories for him. Hard match to call.
His epically enchanted swords, anklets of speed, have Guen, dwarven made chainmail, AND faerie fire/darkness spell.
EPIC WIN FTW!
Erm, I still think Skilgannon has the edge here. Though it would be close, very close indeed. In the end I think that Drizzt would be on the defensive for most of the fight, but I believe the key factor in the end would be stamina, or rather the lack of.
I’m with Skilgannon on this one. Both have enchanted swords, anklets of speet (Drizzt) / Enhanced speed (Skillgannon). Guen is negated in my opinion as it is close in comparison to the joinings in Skilgannons universe and have proven easily dispatched. Armor? don’t think that would make any difference with these two combatants for various reasons.
Aforementioned were the comparison between their various properties
The Hunter state of Mind and Olek’s Illusion of Elsewhere cancel each other out.
Both allows the fighter to empty out their emotion and fight efficiently using purely their fighting skills.
In short they don’t hold back.
Because of this Drizzt’s Darkness globe is void because Skilgannon does not require vision of any sort while in this state of mind to parry attacks.
Results: they even out
I give Points to Drizzt because, as aforementioned, he is bad ass even without the Hunter State. He also tends to be over-emotional and go crazy at the thought of Guenhwyvar being hurt. Events in his life show his skills to increase when he lets loose.
Skilgannon, on the other hand rarely goes crazy, one of the few times he did lose it caused the destruction of Persepolis in an untamed bloodlust. He has mentioned that Drinks and Opiates only making him ‘unreasonable’. Events in his life show that he is most bad-ass in fights where there is an overwhelming disadvantage (Joinings, Purgatory…) His duels with Master Swordsmen of his caliber also show that he works best against people who have ‘lost it’ and are emotionally heightened, while he remains calm (*note even under effects of Swords’ bloodlust)
Results: they have equal claim on badassery.
*note that there are only Two books of Olek whilst Drizzt has entire volumes
Drizzt will use Guen. This is a fight, both warriors understand this. They will use any resource available to them. The problem as aforementioned is whilst Guen is an incredibly powerful spiritual aspect is that Skilgannon has already fought creatures that move at speeds far superior to his own. The Joinings are wild animals melded with men. Were-creatures of excessive strength, he has fought them on both their basic meld forms in his first life and their advanced forms in his second.
However, Logic implies that Drizzt can use Guen as a distraction and cause Olek to fight on two fronts. Whilst capable of doing this as per his tattoos proof, even when fighting a joining, Olek has had difficulty battling them on multiple fronts. Thus in this Drizzt has a slight edge.
I do not take it lightly when I say that Guen is just a distraction, but against a man who has fought joinings, that is all she can be. Her plus side is she can regenerate and return for multiple attacks. Which depends on how long this fight will last.
The Swords of Night and Day versus Twinkle and Icingdeath:
The Swords of Night and Day are forged to increase the users fighting skills, speed, senses to nigh-superhuman levels. It also invokes Bloodlust. They are described as sabres but are depicted in drawings as Katanas. They are known to pierce materials both known to be nigh-indestructible and/or magically imbued. Thus minimizing, but not cancelling out, the effects of all of Drizzt’s impressive armor and defenses.
Twinkle and Icingdeath are mentioned as offensive and defensive weapons respectively. Icingdeath is an anti-fire/heat weapon. Olek does not have a fire sword. Thus useless in this degree, and whilst Twinkle is magically imbued as a defensive weapon, Night and Day’s enchantments far surpass its defensive enchantments.
In basic physical size, both are equal. The Sabre family encompasses both the Scimitar and Katanas respectively as curved swords. Drizzt’s weapons may be longer though as from the description of how Olek is required to draw his weapons require them to be of a shorter length.
The Sword length is cancelled out as both fighters are both experienced enough with fighting other fighters of various fighting styles to compensate for any physical inequalities.
The Swords of Night and Day win here out of sheer bonus to the basic fighting skills.
Olek wears light armor to move around
Drizzt has the spidersilk shirt and the mithral armor, (effects minimized but not negated by Olek’s weapons)
Drizzt is an outright winner
Druss is a Drow
Olek Skilgannon is a human being
Before we can give this to Drizzt, we have to see who would win; Wulfgar or Druss.
Druss is the imposing Legendary axe-man of Drenai, with the Battle Aze: Snaga.
Wulfgar has a Warhammer; Aegis Fang
Both are indominatable and near invcible Tanks of SHEER BAD ASS.
Druss has admitted that Skilgannon has the potential to beat him.
Wulfgar acknowledges the same of Drizzt.
Drizzt has the ankles that increase his speed combined with his race’s already near-superhuman agility, his training’s reflexes.
Olek comes from a bloodline of uniquely impeccable warriors. Combined with the sheer epic bonus of night and day. His reflexes and weapons cancels out Drizzt’s inhuman advantage.
Olek has a shuriken in his belt.
Drizzt has a poisoned dart, throwing knives, crossbow and if he wants to, wield Taulmaril
Besides the effects of Swords of Night and Day, Olek has none
Drizzt is a drow, has faerie fire(harmless), the globe of darkness (cancelled y illusion of elsewhere) and before he left the Underdark, he could levitate (now gone). He can call Guenhwyvar at will to the physical plane, he has anklets of speed and his swords are magically imbued for defense and against fire.
Drizzt as an elf is also naturally attuned to magic as compared to Olek.
Drizzt has been trained by his father Zak from his Youth, has battled creatures like elf, drow, orcs, gnomes, dwarves, humans and the majority of other races and beings in his Universe. And as you can see, he still lives
Olek has died once. He was trained by master swordsmen since his youth and with dancers to improve agility and reflexes. He died in a battle vastly outnumbered and yet at 54 with old age and wounds encumbering him, he killed the Zharn King’s Royal guard and and killed the king before he was cut down.
He has then spent a millennia of constant battle against the demonic beings of a purgatory-like dimension before being recalled to life in a cloned body at its prime with a mind remembering (albeit instinctively) all of his battle prowess.
Both are dual sword wielders of the sabre preference and have vast experience in both pitched battles and duels.
Both are experts in hand to hand combats and when required are capable of wielding a variety of other weapons.
In fights against comparible warriors. Drizzt has defeated Zaf, his father who had infinitely more experience than himself. (with help because Zak was trying to die to save him, and escape the control of Matron Malice)
Skilgannon defeated Boranius (with help from spearman’s distraction), a man with superior natural physical attack speed than him, wielding the original blades of blood and fire from which his own Night and Day were copied from.
Skilgannon is was 54 at his death, plus the 1000 years in purgatory, then reborn into a 20 year old body.
Drizzt is roughly 182 years old
Capping this excessive comparison off, Skilgannon has better offensive weapons, Drizzt has more.
Physically they are both equals from different universes.
The outcome is unknown due to both fighters being almost equal, with most of one’s advantages cancelled out by the other’s.
Feel free to argue this out.
…I’m not convinced I’ve seen a more complete synopsis of a match on this site before.
I take my hat off to you Sir Vladimus, and hope you hang around a while longer than most debaters.
And he makes a fine point too. The Combatants are very equal. Were this a Gemmell Tale they would likely die by each others hand, or work together against a greater foe.
Were this a Drizzt tale the same would be likely.
Personal preferences goes to Skilgannon for this, but objectively speaking, its very difficult indeed to call.
Skilgannons would win if Drizzt took off the magic items (anklet, the panther statue, and the like) on an open duel. the swords of night and day make them physically even (drow speed and strength against demonic apmlification). Drizzt would win with either magic items or if they fought in the underdark.
I Haven’t Read any of the books involving Skil, but i would like to say that, it is possible that Drizzt has khazidea, or cutter, a (sentient) sword that is capable of cutting through anything, along with this is he also capable of being equipped with cadderly’s crossbow, which shots bolts with a collapsable tip filled with “Oil Of Impact” which explodes on impact.
Also,(sorry for double post) i find that the environment of the battle becomes necessary to decide the outcome, for though as you all have said Skil can go into his illusion thingy, that does not mean tat he is impervious to complete darkness/uneven ground/ or anything of the like where as drizzt as the more dextrous drow is.
On many of the threads i’ve read concerning Skilgannon, they have the words ‘i haven’t read any of the books…’
Which is why most people would give the vote to Drizzt.
If you haven’t read them then isn’t a biased and unsupported claim?
Then there is the ‘Possibility of Drizzt weilding Khazid’hea’ key word ‘Possiblity’ Like Taumaril, Khazid’hea isn’t his weapon.
The reason this fight was picked because these fighters are such balanced and impeccable swordsmen of their respective worlds, and they both wield sabre-class swords (Drizzt’s scimitars and Olek’s Katanas)
Giving Drizzt Catti-brie’s sword we might as well arm Skilgannon with the swords of Blood and Fire or Snaga for that matter.
In terms of Speed, I’ve already covered this, Drizz’t with his bracers and drow speed is more powerful than any human. But A) Olek isn’t any mere human, he is like Drizzt, descended from a line of incredible warriors (Deacado Firefist, Olek the Horselord…)
b) Both are trained to peak efficiencies c) Drizzt has the drow physique and two centureis worth of experience, Olek has all those untold years of experience both as a 54 year old battle-hardened general and the thousand years in the underworld.
d) So whilst Drizz’t has the innate drow bonuses of his race, added to his experience, Skilgannon has the same. and whilst not equal to that of a drow with bracers (which by the way aren’t very powerful in comparison as you might think) Skilgannon has the Swords of Night and Day. Which levels the playing field.
Some have said that if Skilgannon didn’t have those swords then Drizz’t would pawn him. Well Duh! Thanks for stating the obvious. and if Olek didn’t have those swords, what’s the point of this fight again?
As for environment, both are seasoned veterans in warfare. They’ve both fought in enchanted arenas of combat, in darkness and against creatures physically stronger than they.
Their dexterity, reflexes, agility or whatever you would want to call them are all at peak performance enhanced by the items they have.
Please read Gemmells before commenting.
“Please read Gemmells before commenting.”
DO THAT! seriously, you’ll se that Skilgannon is no slouch
I love when these threads get revived, it reminds me that I have books worth rereading again and again.
But yes, Skilgannon for the victory, though a close fought one indeed
Guess who’s my avatar?
If its anyone but Druss I’ll have you hunted down for crimes against axemen
Lol. Of course it’s Druss. I found this picture on deviantart. There were some Skilgannon pics as well but they were all meh. It pains me to say so.
go vlad. i have read all the books from skil and two of the triligys for drizzt. i stand by my previos statements. and i agree you cant take skils swords away, that would make me extremely sad. lol
I have been a fan of both and like how both authors have really built up these characters and with Skilgannon there is a little Artemis Entreri in him as well as Drizzt. Weilding the Swords of Night and Day in his hands in his prime……? I would go with Skilgannon in pure sword fighting however Drizzt does possess the ability to throw a “ball of darkness” at his apponent and this would give him the edge along with his super nimble dexterity and his nature to improvise during battle. It would be a tough and prolonged fight but one thing with Drizzt’s blades they are not as strong as the Swords of NIght and Day. When Drizzt battled the dwarf with the adamantite morning stars he was worried the “rust eating one” would erode his blades. Skilgannon has nothing to worry about here since his blades have demonic powers. With Skilgannons ability for compassion but also having the ability of “being in a state of detatchment” during battle I would say Skilgannon is the victor here!! By a very slight hairline margin too!!
Skilgannon would be the victor for I have read about both characters and R.A Salvatore has done a great job building Drizzt and David Gemmel, RIP, did an awesome job doing the same with Skilgannon. I like Skilgannon more for he seems more realistic since Drizzt seems too invincible. Both a superior swordsmen but Skilgannon has a little Artemis Entreri in him too and those swords of Night and Day seem indestructible!!!!
Hail to Skilgannon and his superior companion Druss who would easily out match Wulfgar on any given day:)
Skilgannon the Damned for the FP award!
I havent read the skil’s series, but i’ve read 2 series of drizzt. Having been a DM in D&D and experience with previous games where items made the difference in fights i would say this:
For me it the items dont mean anything. If you claim victory to either side because of an item, then glory to the item and not the character. That said, just give them regular weapons, not magical weapons, then yes it could still be close. But i am a drizzt fan, again i havent read Skil’s books…but taking away the magical items i throw my win/vote to Drizzt simply because of his race and all that comes along with it.
Awsome thread. I’ll tip my hat to Skilgannon, but Drizzt takes this. His most recent books take place after all of his friends are dead. Anybody who has bothered to check will know that Taurmaril is now a permanent addition to his gear.(a magical bow that shoots a never ending supply of lightning arrows capable of blasting through three feet of solid rock.) He has also received an artifact that allows him to summon a unicorn from the higher planes, although it can be killed, unlike guen, which would effectively put the enimies Skil has to deal with as three. He also has the anklets to speed up his footwork. He has dwarven mastercrafted mithril armor, as well as a spidersilk skirt that is nearly impenetrable. He also has a ruby pendant with a powerful hypnotizing enchantment. Basically, if drizzt could get a lull in the battle, he could make our boy Skil happily slit his own throat. Skilgannon holds the torch for weopons, but drizzt just has too much riding in his favor. I’d say out of a 100 fights Skilgannon would take 45. Great match though!
While I consider Drizzt do urden family I have to say the characters of gemmell are just too skillfull to lose to anyone else in the fantasy world. No matter what enchantments are at work for the drow. The superior skill and speed of skillganon shall shine through and hel win a hard won victory. I will reiterate though that my dark brother drizzt is not far behind in skill. So hard won indeed.
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