Phase 3 DarkTrooper Vs Space Marine

Phase 3 DarkTrooper (Star Wars) Vs Space Marine (Warhammer 40K)

Well, here is a match that if all indications are correct, should be close to an even match. I have to confess that I didn’t know of a DarkTrooper until it was mentioned on the site – a little reading later, this might be a battle that the Space Marine loses…

Or does he?

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1,124 Comments on "Phase 3 DarkTrooper Vs Space Marine"

  1. Baron Somebody January 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm -      #1

    I’d have to say the Darktrooper

  2. Locutus January 26, 2009 at 8:40 pm -      #2

    Win for the genetically enhanced godlike warriors of the Imperium.

  3. MJSC STARWARS January 26, 2009 at 9:55 pm -      #3

    This fight is right down the middle. They both really equal eachother out. I say the fight keeps goin’ and goin’ ’till outside factors end the fight, probably meanin’ one or the other has their allies show up and help them out. So no winner in a one on one fight, but one of ‘em would be killed when the other guy’s allies show up. Be an awesome fight to watch.

  4. Space marine January 27, 2009 at 3:56 am -      #4

    I think This may be a Match for our Space marine, I would so pay to watch this!

  5. Space marine January 27, 2009 at 4:14 am -      #5

    P.S.
    One of the most Fair fights for this website I think.

  6. Matapiojo January 27, 2009 at 2:10 pm -      #6

    I may give this to the Dark Trooper due to having better equipment than the Marine. As powerful as the Bolter is, the Trooper has a modified assault cannon, missiles, rockets, and a jump-pack.

    Fairly tough fight to decide, but the mighty Space Marine finaly met his match.

  7. mahboiiii January 27, 2009 at 6:15 pm -      #7

    the p3 dark trooper is the empires most powerfull infantary unit

  8. AlphaCommando January 27, 2009 at 7:55 pm -      #8

    I base Marine would most likely loose, I find the chances of the Dark Trooper rapidly drop as you get higher into the Space Marine echelon however.

  9. Space marine January 28, 2009 at 2:25 am -      #9

    Yes. Thats true, Veterans will kill the phase 3 darktrooper.

  10. Matapiojo January 28, 2009 at 12:31 pm -      #10

    Yes, against a well equipped Sergeant, or any of the more specialized units, the Dark Trooper will be in lethal trouble. Against a basic Marine, it has the upper hand.

    An assault Marine with a Meltagun will eliminate the Dark Trooper threat in just minutes.

  11. Matapiojo January 28, 2009 at 2:06 pm -      #11

    Also, this would be the case if we are talking of a basic Loyalist Space Marine. If we replace that Marine with a basic Chaos Space Marine, the story might be diferent.

    While they share similar physical capabilities, these marines have been fighting for FAR longer than their loyalist counterparts. This makes them extreme veterans that, more likely than not, would outmaneuvre even the better equipped Dark Trooper. On top of that, many basic marines gain the favor of a Patron God, enhancing their abilities even further.

    I say this only because that Space Marine looks a little more Chaos than Imperial. It actually looks like a Thousand Son – post Heresy. Which would be WAY worse for the Dark Trooper.

  12. GEOM January 28, 2009 at 7:52 pm -      #12

    Could someone provide a link for the P3 Dark Trooper? While I have a vast store of knowledge on Space Marines, I’m somewhat lacking info on the Dark troopers.

  13. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 28, 2009 at 9:15 pm -      #13

    Also, the SM seems to have a jump-pack and I agree with Mata

  14. Space marine January 29, 2009 at 2:38 am -      #14

    GEOM Go to wookiepedia and look it up :)

  15. =[BF]=JimmieRox January 29, 2009 at 5:55 pm -      #15

    Sanguinus is the best, shame he’s dead! Nah, I have a few points worth of Blood Angels so I’m biased and I think a standard Blood Angel Trooper would win though only just.

  16. Matapiojo February 2, 2009 at 7:22 am -      #16

    My answer is still that the Dark Trooper wins over any standard Marine regardless of their legion/chapter. Most only change in their doctrines but not their abilities/gear.

  17. Locutus February 2, 2009 at 1:36 pm -      #17

    I don’t know. I feel that the soldiers with the genetic material of a god would be able to pull it off.

  18. marche February 2, 2009 at 4:02 pm -      #18

    i had a strong feeling too,but it is alphacommando and mata,so i guess i go with them,,a basic marine loses.

  19. Space marine February 2, 2009 at 4:34 pm -      #19

    Don’t worry, His gene -seed will be fine, Anyway, We have thousands more.

  20. GEOM February 2, 2009 at 9:46 pm -      #20

    Interesting. Please, anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but a P3DT seems to be a 10 foot tall, phrik armored powerhouse (either a cyborg clone veteran, or a droid) armed with a five barrel repeater blaster cannon, rockets, and a jump pack. Sound about right? ‘Preciate it space marine. Now, of course, This is an understatement. Everything I can find seems to indicate that dark troopers are mighty opponents. So are Space Marines. Both are equitable in height, mass, and experience, provided we are talking about the veteran clone instead of the droid. I would believe (although, admittedly I may be biased given the feats that space marines have accomplished) that a space marine is going to have an edge in close combat. Armed with a monomolecular combat knife three feet long, and the terrific strength that even a naked Marine can bring to bear coupled with their powered armor, the Space Marine would tear the Dark Trooper a new waste dispersal unit, as long as ranged weapons are factored out of the equation. That being said, at range, the dark trooper does seem to have the advantage. Now, how can this poor Astartes fanboy argue victory out of the jaws of assault blasting, rocket launching defeat?

    Allow me to borrow a portion of one of the much vaunted L-W’s posts:

    “In one instance, a Space Marine is depicted as having twenty of these beams centred on his chest-plate at once in a single sustained volley, which only managed to place a single hole in the Power Armour, leaving the Carapace relatively intact.”

    In this instance, he was referring to the damage that a single marine can soak up from anti-material grade laser cannons. Laser cannons, which I would believe, are significantly more powerful than a blaster repeater. Before any SW fans lose their minds with indignant fury, just ask yourself this: what is going to take out a tank faster, a Godhammer pattern lascannon, or an assault repeater blaster? Now, on to the rockets. I am still unable to verify whether they are guided or unguided. I’ve seen both claimed on the different wikis. If they are guided, a marine can use his auspex to scramble the guidance systems. They do it all the time. That’s why the only time rockets ever kill space marines is when they fire en masse, simply by virtue of the fact that space marines can move faster than even an assassin’s eye can see. Therefore, I submit that a Space Marine would dodge the dark troopers limited supply of rockets, absorb his blaster shots, race over to the dark trooper, and maul him into gory paste. Provided, of course, that he decided not to shoot the P3DT with his armor piercing, incendiary, or acidic bolt rounds. Through the eye socket. Trust me, I shot a target behind a six inch steel plate with a .50 caliber rifle. The target was neutralized by dint of the sheer force of the cartridge. A .75 cal rocket assisted shell would cause traumatic injury to any organic components. That is assuming, again, that the marine decided not to use any special ammo like hellfire or thermite shells. Those would eat through any gaps in the phrikite armor and wreak havoc on the systems underneath. Remember, 50 space marines held off an army of thousands of orks without losing a man. Can dark troopers do that? They are the pinnacle of the warrior art. They are remorseless, fearless, trained, indoctrinated, and absolutely murderous goliaths descended from beings of godlike power. They meet the dark trooper, throw a half dozen micro grenades at his feet, catch one of the rockets he shoots, throws it back, and by the time the smoke clears from the dark troopers vision, he feels a strange numbness throughout his body. In the final seconds before his vision grays out, he realizes that his head was pulled off of his shoulders and thrown a half a kilometer. Also, the Blood Angels are indeed pretty fething awesome.

    -Imperator Victrix

  21. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 4, 2009 at 2:07 pm -      #21

    Well, I basically decided that if it’s a Blood Angel he’s gonna close to short range because that is there prefered type of combat and well, “what he said”

  22. doommunchkin February 10, 2009 at 9:43 am -      #22

    congrats on stating the obvious(for those in the know about 40k) in a very well thought out and organized manner. i found this site by chance the other day looking up whatever about marneus calgar. My first read on this site was vader vs. calgar. Very good match, which i give to vader, the force is everywere. That makes calgar the carrier of his own demise. I was starting to think most plp who post would simply state who they think would win, or what would happen and that would be it. No explanation as to why/how their chosen would win/do whatever. Its posts like yours that keep me reading, regardless of agreement. So thank you GEOM!

  23. Thepocalypse February 10, 2009 at 6:05 pm -      #23

    Space Marine is imbued with god-like power. He can destroy a droid Stormtrooper with a very small ounce of his power. Trust me on this, I’m more of a SW fan than 40k and I’ve always thought Darktroopers were one of the most badass things in the SW universe and I still know that Space Marines are superior.

  24. Locutus February 22, 2009 at 6:05 pm -      #24

    “My first read on this site was vader vs. calgar. Very good match, which i give to vader, the force is everywere. That makes calgar the carrier of his own demise.”

    You have to remember that the Force doesn’t exist in the 40k universe. Calgar isn’t carrying anything.

  25. Aegis030 March 5, 2009 at 5:23 pm -      #25

    In Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, the original Star Wars film, the Force is first described by the Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi (Alec Guinness) as an energy field created by all living things, that surrounds and penetrates living beings and binds the galaxy together.[2]
    The word “midi-chlorian” appears to be a portmanteau of “mitochondrion” and “chloroplast”, two organelles found in real cells and thought to have evolved from bacteria as endosymbionts inside other cells, as purported in the endosymbiotic theory.

    Mitochondria are sometimes described as “cellular power plants” because they generate most of the cell’s supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), used as a source of chemical energy. [2]

    Midi-chlorians are microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the Force.[6] Midi-chlorians compose a collective consciousness and intelligence, forming links between everything living and the Force. They are symbionts with all other living things; that is, without them, life could not exist. The Jedi have learned how to listen to and coordinate the midi-chlorians. In order to be a Jedi or a Sith, one must have a high enough concentration of midi-chlorians in one’s cells

    The Vong, because of what they’ve become, were cut off from the touch of the force by the living planet they originated from. And thus were not seen through the force.. but at one time long ago could be. Omitted from the force doesn’t mean they couldn’t be hurt by a rock that was hurled at them through the force or a lightsaber that was force thrown at them, because they could. just some of the many powers of the force could not affect them as readily as another being. Just like a WH dwarf would be resistent to some magics.

    It’s true that certain beings aren’t effected by certain powers, but they are NOT invincible to ALL force powers.

    “The Force has a “dark side”, which feeds off emotions such as anger and fear, whereas the Jedi use the Force only for peaceful purposes.” -wiki.

    Skywalker travelled to another galaxy and could use his power.

    Since all living things would have mitochondria which originated from Bacteria.. Why would the force not work in 40K?

    as for the DarkTrooper vs a SM? Just like in real life everyone has bad and good days.. IMO it depends on how good the roll of the dice is for each on that particular day…

  26. kano547 March 6, 2009 at 7:06 pm -      #26

    dont know much about dark troopers besides they are robots and theyre pretty powerful but i do know warhammmer and i know that the guy in the pic is a chaos assault marine and what was the specs on the dark trooper? oh yea
    assault canon
    missles rockets
    jetpack
    chaos assault marine
    bolter or maybe a plasma weapon
    chainsword
    meltabombs
    and a jump pack i think its about equal but im a fanboy and i will defend all spacemarines to the best of my ability

  27. Space marine March 22, 2009 at 8:48 pm -      #27

    Space Marine is imbued with god-like power.

    /Blushes

  28. guns_talk_louder April 16, 2009 at 7:37 pm -      #28

    again you forgot to say what kind of marine terminator, assult marine, scout, biker, force commander. ill asume your talking about normal marines and say the dark trooper even though he can fly is SKREWED

  29. Necrontyr June 23, 2009 at 2:05 am -      #29

    I have to hand it to the Space Marine here. He’s got the experience, the training, and while not the tech (and I’m sure all physical augmentation has varying aspects), he has the… better, in terms of utility, modifications.

    Now this is off topic but… my friends recently gave me an idea which I’m not sure how to compare vs-wise… but as simply as I can put it – Jedi/Sith Willpower vs Chaos Temptation, or something similar. O.o

  30. Sean0931 July 13, 2009 at 8:21 am -      #30

    Just for the record, that Space Marine is a heresy-era Iron Warrior or Son of Horus. Which is why he has the dodgy helmet. Chaos Marines are a lot more, spiky.

  31. Whacko December 8, 2009 at 3:28 pm -      #31

    Random. I dunno what the Dark Trooper can take, but my guess is that it’s not going to fare well to a bolter. The marine might take some laser, but not too much, and the rockets have varying effect depending on guided or not guided.

    I would put it as a tie, with first blood having a 80% percent chance of winning, while each has a 50& chance of getting first blood.

  32. tau43 December 3, 2011 at 1:34 am -      #32

    If thats. Space Marine is the Emperor’s Champion Then it’s a s.m. victory.

  33. Deus Ex Machina January 8, 2012 at 2:37 pm -      #33

    Hmmm, can anyone post soemthing for the Darktrooper? And there are many different chapters of marines that change things up. The best are the Grey Knights, while the Fire Lords literally breathe fire.

  34. ZomBlade April 5, 2012 at 10:06 am -      #34

    Dark Troopers… the guys with Phrik armor, the stuff that survived the destruction of Alderaan. How is a Space Marine supposed to harm a Dark Trooper?

    Furthermore, they have six PLEX launchers. PLEX missiles were capable of one shotting AATs in the Clone Wars…

  35. Traveler March 13, 2013 at 2:38 am -      #35

    Though the SM would probably win, I’m gonna go with the Dark Trooper because he has a gun that shoots friggin LIGHTNING (BF2). Nuf said.

  36. Traveler March 13, 2013 at 2:39 am -      #36

    Though the SM would probably win, I’m gonna go with the Dark Trooper because he has a gun that shoots freaking LIGHTNING (BF2). Enough said.

  37. Traveler March 13, 2013 at 2:40 am -      #37

    Though the SM would probably win, I’m gonna go with the Dark Trooper because he has a gun that shoots freaking LIGHTNING, at least in BF2. Nuf said.

  38. Traveler March 13, 2013 at 2:40 am -      #38

    Though the SM would probably win, I’m going to go with the Dark Trooper because he has a gun that shoots freaking LIGHTNING, at least in BF2. Nuf said.

  39. Dark God of Chaos March 13, 2013 at 2:42 am -      #39

    Lightning, seriously? Space Marines tank lightning like nothing

    That said it depends on which Space Marine rank we’re talking about here

  40. BillDing March 13, 2013 at 2:57 am -      #40

    The Dark Troopers in BF2 aren’t phase 3, but they may still have arc-casters anyway.

  41. Sauroposeidon May 15, 2013 at 9:24 pm -      #41

    “Lightning, seriously? Space Marines tank lightning like nothing”

    No they don’t. Just to clear that up. Lightning can reach temperatures six times hotter than the sun. It’s considerably higher than anything Space Marines are shown to tank. A continuous blast of lightning would melt their armor like butter.

    Although Phase 3’s don’t carry arc casters. They carry rapid fire plasma cannons with rocket launchers. Considering Phrik survived a planet’s destruction, that plasma must be hot stuff. It would seem to me that the Phase 3 Dark Trooper has this in the bag.

    This match was decided a long time ago, it doesn’t matter which Space Marine we’re talking about. They almost definitely lose. There was no reason to comment, Dark God.

  42. ZomBaconator June 4, 2013 at 8:45 pm -      #42

    Well, since the Dark Trooper would stomp a Terran Marine’s ass even worse, Dark Trooper for the Off-topic FP Award.

  43. mack006 June 4, 2013 at 8:51 pm -      #43

    A terminator space marine is the only thing that I can think of that can stand a chance with the Darktrooper. Anyone agree?

  44. itcheyness June 4, 2013 at 9:10 pm -      #44

    Nope, the Darktrooper is much faster and more agile than a Terminator.

  45. ZomBaconator June 4, 2013 at 9:21 pm -      #45

    Really, nothing that can be labeled a ‘Space Marine’ that I know of can take a Phase III Dark Trooper. Not even Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry probably.

  46. SgCombine June 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm -      #46

    @ZomB
    So you’re saying even a Psychic Space Marine who can casually explode the enemies brains before they can react can’t take a Phase III Dark Trooper?

  47. ZomBaconator June 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm -      #47

    “So you’re saying even a Psychic Space Marine who can casually explode the enemies brains before they can react can’t take a Phase III Dark Trooper?”

    I was meaning more along the lines of the gear they have, all non-psyker Space Marines couldn’t kill a Phase III, maybe a Psyker, but a Phase III doesn’t have a brain to explode.

  48. mack006 June 4, 2013 at 11:33 pm -      #48

    A Psyker can just do CURSE Of TEH MACHINE SPIRIT!!! And the dark trooper will be like *boom boom BOOM*. Dead x_x

  49. Commander Cross June 4, 2013 at 11:49 pm -      #49

    @Mack at #48

    Are we talking about the Machine Spirits that require Grey Knights or Khornate Marines to tank Anti-Tech Zones, rather than be something that can block it out with casual ease on its lonesome?

    Which is outright wankage and you may as well be saying that they can tank TM-verse Light Hawk Wings with ease?

    Anywho here’s my mind so far, this fight will go either way at the moment, the SM Loyalist Chapter in question will have to be armed with the right weapons to deal with the fact the Phase 3+ Dark Troopers will be using Truly Indestructible Armor.
    Failure to come with the right equipment will result in too many Loyalist Marine Chapters falling apart before the Grey Knights get into play.

    If the Phase 3+ Dark Trooper happens to be a Force-user on par with Starkiller or Luke underneath that Armor?
    Even the GKs will get their dang hands full to say the least, for all their Badassitude of which they got plenty of.

  50. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 5:52 pm -      #50

    The Space Marine would crush the Darktrooper. They comprehend and react to things at extremely fast speeds and can are strong enough to punch through human skull’s with their bare hands. And for the “Darktrooper” side nothing but wank has been posted so i’ll take it upon myself to gather info regarding them. Here are the feats of speed and power for Space Marines, including their arsenal.

    ““They came out from behind the trees around her, two, then three, then five, all told: five primuls in a circle around her, their eyes like murder for what she had done to their kin.
    They threw themselves at her.
    For many years afterwards, for the rest of her life, in fact, Perdet Suiton Antoni often wondered how none of them heard him coming. He was just there, suddenly. How could something that big move so fast and so silently, and appear without notice? Between the moment when the primuls began to spring and the moment when they would have fallen upon her, the giant appeared and interposed himself between her and the foul, pouncing creatures. It was almost as if he had stopped the flow of time and edited himself into that particular frame of it.
    What followed lasted about three seconds.
    The giant had his combat shield locked on his left arm and his short, heavy sword in his right fist. As he arrived, he was swinging the shield out, and smashed it flat into the nearest, leaping primul, shattering bones and deflecting the thing away. Wheeling, he hacked his sword clean through the neck and shoulder of the second, casting out a shower of dark red blood, and then ripped backwards low, cutting through the corpse’s thighs even as it toppled, so that the whole mass of the primul folded into a collapsed heap. The third, coming in at the giant’s left flank, held some kind of pistol weapon, an ugly, spiky device that spat hard, sharp bullets of buzzing metal. The giant turned, raising his left forearm upright from the elbow, and guarded his face with the combat shield in time to switch the buzzing projectiles away. They struck the shield with loud, angry cracks. One embedded itself there. Another bounced off and decapitated a nearby sapling. As the third bullet hit, the giant deftly tilted his arm very slightly, and ricocheted it off sideways straight into the face of the fourth primul. The creature’s head split like a blood-fruit and the primul was savagely thumped backwards, off the ground, its legs wide. It landed, spread-eagled, on its back.
    Before the third primul could fire its pistol again, the giant whipped his right arm over and threw his sword like a lance. It struck the primul through the chest, lifting it off its feet with the force of the throw, and impaled it to an olive tree’s trunk, its feet dangling and twitching.
    The remaining primul, wicked blades in both hands, was dancing round behind the giant. With his free right hand, the giant grabbed the heavy firearm that had been knocking at his hip on its long strap, and shot the primul twice, in the face and the chest. The double boom of the massive gun was so loud it made Antoni cry out and cover her ears. The force of the shots tore the primul apart, and slammed its mangled body across the grove. It bounced sideways off a tree trunk and fell into the bracken. Silence, except for the gurgle of leaking blood.” / Brothers of the Snake, p.63-65″


    ““Amakyre dodged backwards and let himself fall from the platform rather than face Veq’s blade, honed from the heart of a star and white-hot to all but Veq himself.
    Gunfire erupted again from below. Veq swatted away a score of bullets from the Obliterator and caught three more with his free hand, throwing them back down to the floor of the bridge with a curse. The young one, the most dangerous, fired a well-aimed shot at his temple, but Veq flicked his head to the side and the silenced bolt flittered past him.
    Veq took two steps and leapt, dropping through the lattice of bullet trails to land directly in front of the Obliterator whose every weapon was blazing at him from point-blank range. The star-sword cut through the air as Veq met every bullet, sending a sparkling fan of deflected fire in every direction.
    The hulking Obliterator reeled as several of its own bullets punched through its biomechanical body. The flesh of one arm became fluid, extruded, and solidified into a blade of bone with gnawing teeth at the cutting edge. Veq ducked the first blow and parried the second, shearing the first blade in two as a barbed whip, tipped with a lamprey-like mouth, lashed from the Obliterator’s other arm. Veq grabbed the lash, wrapped it round his fist, and used it to swing the Obliterator hard into the wall by the doorway.
    Armour split and cracked. Corrupted blood spilled. Veq paused to dodge more bolter fire from the other Word Bearers who were falling back through the doorway.” / Daemon Worldgons, p.472

    ““Plague Marines shot at him. Those shots that Gammadin did not slap out of the air, he took against his shoulder plates. Shrapnel puffed against him.” / Blood Gorgons, p.159

    “For all that, resistance still remained. The three squads of Raukaan were outnumbered many times over by the massed ranks of mortal defenders. Rows of armour-piercing lascannons had been installed at the rear of the chamber. In sufficient volume, even the humble lasguns carried by the individual troopers could cause damage. The preternatural agility and prowess of each Space Marines needed just to prevent them from being overwhelmed by sheer volume of incoming fire.” – Wrath of Iron pg. 137

    “But in there, there s a man. And then it moves, all that plate, tonnes and tonnes of it, and you know it can move quicker than you can, it can kill you quicker than you can blink, and then you think: I was right the first time. It is a machine, a nightmare machine, and if we need to make a thing like this to keep us alive, then the universe is a scary place.” / Hammer and Bolter (#7), p.37

    “As the shell seared past, Rangar threw himself flat behind the low pile of rubble trying to make himself as small a target as possible. That had been close, too close. The shot had almost parted his hair. Only his lightning quick reflexes, and the microsecond’s warning provided by his superhuman senses had got him out of the way.”- The Space Wolf Omnibus, p.269

    “Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.” / Storm of Iron, p.17

    ““His battle-hardened mind assessed the relative strengths and weakness of the six soldiers without conscious thought; armament, distance, levels of combat effectiveness, routes of attack and escape calculated in less than a few panicked beatings of their hearts.” – Imperial Armour Volume 9, p.46 – The Badab War – Part One

    “Despite the massive size of their power armour, the rate of acceleration was tremendous. Clave Arx tore across the short distance to the barricades, swerving with the uncanny accuracy around the lines of incoming fire.” Wrath of Iron pg. 136

    “Rauth looked deep into the man’s eyes. For some reason he found himself unwilling to do what was necessary. He drew his gauntlet up and pressed a finger lightly against the man’s temple.
    He waited a second longer. The man knew what was coming, and seemed to accept it. He stared straight back up at the Iron Hand, somehow maintaining eye contact, unable to speak, his fragile breathing growing just a little more urgent.
    Then Rauth pressed his finger home. The movement was gentle, like cracking an egg-shell. The mortal shuddered, then fell still. Blood pumped from his wounds, but sparse breaths no longer issued from his gaping mouth”. – Wrath of Iron pg. 186

    “He smashed one half-dazed trooper full in the face, shattering his helmet-mask and driving deep into the flesh and bone beneath. He broke the neck of another with a savage backhand, and crushed the chest of a third under his boots.” – Wrath of Iron pg.135


    “For all it’s bulk, the monster was fast- breathtakingly fast. Before arela had taken another stride he found himself lifted up from the ground, clenched at the neck by a massive black hand.” Wrath of Iron pg. 16

    “Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.” / Storm of Iron, p.17

    “There lurked a phantom, solid in his plate like a citadel given human form, a heretic of the Traitor Legions. It issued its challenge, that same resonant roar. A comb of membranous spines flared from its helmet. The crest raised up, trembling and fearsome. Riverine redirected their fire onto it. Burning flashes radiated from the Traitor Marine’s armour where nearby Guardsmen shot at it. The monster appeared unfazed. It raised a boltgun and fired six shots. The first gauged its aim. The subsequent rounds chopped down five Guardsmen off the tractor running board. Then it was on them, ploughing into the side of the tractor cab. The chassis crumpled. Glass exploded. The metal punched inward. Riverine shouted. The monster snorted like a raging bovine. Baeder backed away from the buckled left-side of the tractor cab. A Riverine leapt off the running board and fired up at the Traitor Marine’s armoured back. The Traitor torqued its immense torso and chopped out with a crescent blade the size of a harvesting combine’s industrial cutter. The Riverine was cleanly separated with a curious puffing sound.

    Jormeshu slammed his weight into the tractor cab, rocking the multi-tonne locomotive.” – / Flesh and Iron, p.286 & 287

    “Tanks did not slow the Space Marines down. They clambered up on to them, ripped off durasteel hatches as if they were made of paper and dropped grenades into the interior.” – / Angel of Fire, p.** – **

    “Loken threw a punch that would have decapitated a mortal man. His fist cracked against Jubal’s helm and he repeated the action, driving his fist four or five times against the other’s face and chest. The ceramite visor chipped. Another punch, his full weight behind it, and Jubal stumbled. Each stroke of Loken’s fist resounded like a smith’s hammer in the echoing chamber, steel against steel.” / Horus Rising, p.281

    Bullets from the ork guns gouged the floor as the alien struggled to get the Iron Warrior in their sights. It seemed an effort beyond their savage brains. Algol’s huge frame was constantly shifting from one direction to another, fading into the shadow of a truck or support pillar in that fragment of time before an ork loosed a barrage of automatic fire. Instantly, the Space Marine would return fire, leaning out from behind cover to deliver unerringly accurate bursts from his bolter. Each shot seemed to send another xenos hurtling from the walkways” – Siege of Castellax pg. 55
    ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
    And so the fact on Space Marine’s speed and reactions being more than enough to comprehend and maneuver around bullets, along with their strength feats, has been proven it’s time to see how well they’d fair against Dark Troopers. Like I stated before nothing but wank was ever posted in this thread so I’ll post information pertaining to the Dark Trooper myself.

  51. Xornell August 10, 2013 at 5:57 pm -      #51

    “The Space Marine would crush the Darktrooper. They comprehend and react to things at extremely fast speeds and can are strong enough to punch through human skull’s with their bare hands

    Not faster than a computer (aka a droid). And this isn’t a human skull, this is a metal head.

    “And for the “Darktrooper” side nothing but wank has been posted

    Nigh indestructible metal armor, jetpacks, plasma chaingun and a rack of missiles. Plasma weapons in 40k fuck up their users and do heavy damage to just about everything, and this is going to be shooting 500 times per minute. The Spess Mareen is going down.

    “Here are the feats of speed and power for Space Marines, including their arsenal.

    Irrelevant. Has a bolter ever destroyed a planet? If so, it’s still not enough to take down the Dark Trooper.

  52. Xornell August 10, 2013 at 5:58 pm -      #52

    Also, as a side note, posting 10 paragraphs of fluff is not an argument. It’s actually lack of an argument.

  53. Amm0vamp1r3 August 10, 2013 at 5:59 pm -      #53

    @FisherKing

    About how long did it take to type all that up or did you just copy and paste?

  54. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 6:09 pm -      #54

    Sure.. ignore the fact that a prhik box survived the explosion of alderaan and the fact that the phase III dark trooper is armored in it. That’s fine.

    I mean, wank, really?

    Suuuure.

    Mission 2 in Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron apparently doesn’t exist anymore. Nope. Han Solo NEVER had to go retrieve the holocon that Bail Organa hid in a phrik box.

    I guess Revenge of the Sith where Magna Guard electro-staff weapons, made of phrik, don’t tank light sabers (which use plasma, by the way) also doesn’t exist..

    and I guess the source material for where we know Dark Troopers are made out of Phrik, the game it actually comes from, also doesn’t exist.

    Yeah.. its all wank and not backed up at all. =/

  55. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 6:13 pm -      #55

    “A terminator space marine is the only thing that I can think of that can stand a chance with the Darktrooper. Anyone agree?”

    Really, Terminators are just big giant walking targets. They only ever win due to Plot Induced Stupidity. They move at the speed of smell and a well placed burst at their face will bring them down. Those eyes aren’t armored, at all, and they’re big. Modern day US Marines wouldn’t even break a sweat fighting Space Marine Terminators. That’s how badly designed they are. Which is really no surprise, since Terminators WERE NEVER INTENDED FOR COMBAT, and simply have been rigged to fight when the’re really intended for engineering purposes.

  56. Xornell August 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm -      #56

    “About how long did it take to type all that up or did you just copy and paste?

    Copypasta. If he’s too lazy to come up with an actual argument, he’s too lazy to type that on his own.

    “They move at the speed of smell and a well placed burst at their face will bring them down.”

    Lol this is overkill, IMO. I’m imagining one getting knocked on it’s back and pulling a turtle
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIENz9iv7Sg
    Just change the title from Newborn Baby Turtle to Terminator Spess Mareen.

  57. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm -      #57

    “The Phase Three was conceived as the Ultimate Dark Trooper. Only a single unit was known to exist aboard the Arc hammer; it appears likely that this unit was a finished prototype for a planned but uncompleted line. Even more massive than the Phase Two, this unstoppable behemoth sported a nasty cluster of firing tubes connected to a seemingly endless supply of seeker missiles. These rockets, while slow, homed in on a target’s heat signature and packed enough detonite to obliterate the strongest personal shielding. The Phase Three prototype was designed to operate independently, but could also be worn by a human operator as an exosuit.
    Rebel agent Kyle katarn fought against Mohc’s project, dismantling several Dark Troopers single-handedly.” – The New Essential guide for Droids pg. 99

    “The Phase 3Dark trooper was clad in thick armor, sported a cluster of missile tubes, and could operate independently or be used as an exosuit by a single operator. It’s believed that only one Phase 3 Dark Trooper was constructed, and it was destroyed – along with the Arc Hammer – by the Rebel operative Kyle Katarn.” – Essential Guide to Warfare pg. 132

    Very little actual information from these two excerpts. We know it has missile tubes that are powerful enough to destroy personal shieldings, but would that be able to penetrate power armor or hurt the Space Marine? Well I’m sure in sufficient numbers it could, but the problem lies in the fact that they were stated to be slow. With a space marine’s bullet-speed the missiles would be dodged with ease and shot before they reached the Space Marine. All the Space Marine would need to do to obtain victory would be to continuously dodge teh attacks of the Dark Trooper while closing the distance enough to destroy it. The durability of it’s armor is not stated, the first quote having an extremely vague “unstoppable” claim but the later only calling it “thick”. How this, and whether this could be penetrated by bolter fire, isn’t really known. However, a single unaugmented “human” destroyed a phase 3 Dark Trooper, which shows that if kyle could do it a Space Marine would find it trivial.

  58. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 6:35 pm -      #58

    Kyle Katarn is a force sensitive one man army, for the record. It’d be like dismissing the DOOM demons because DOOM Guy murdered his way through them. He’s one of the few force sensitives cool enough for me to actually like.

    The wiki doesn’t state how powerful they are, but you get an idea BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE OUT OF PHRIK.

    Watch Revenge of the Sith. The Magnaguard weapons are made of Phrik.

    The Space Marine would need something like a plasma cannon to challenge a Dark Trooper. Bolters won’t cut it.

  59. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm -      #59

    “Not faster than a computer (”

    Pure wank. Unless you can prove that the speed a droid moves is enough to dodge bullets and rival a Space Marine’s feats, you’re just spewing retarded nonsense.
    —————–
    “Nigh indestructible metal armor, jetpacks, plasma chaingun and a rack of missiles. Plasma weapons in 40k fuck up their users and do heavy damage to just about everything, and this is going to be shooting 500 times per minute. The Spess Mareen is going down.”

    Like I stated previously, pure wank. You sub-humans are pathetic. The only way that you’d think such blatant lies would be believed is if you projected your sub-human inferiority onto your betters as you have obviously done in this case.

    —————————–
    “Irrelevant. Has a bolter ever destroyed a planet? If so, it’s still not enough to take down the Dark Trooper.”

    And xornell continues to try and prove that it can outdue it’s past retardation in previous posts.
    ————————————–

    “Also, as a side note, posting 10 paragraphs of fluff is not an argument. It’s actually lack of an argument.”

    Yes it is retard, it proves my claims you shit-brains.
    ——————————————
    “Mission 2 in Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron apparently doesn’t exist anymore. Nope. Han Solo NEVER had to go retrieve the holocon that Bail Organa hid in a phrik box.”

    And the box could’ve been in an vault or some other form of serious protection that allowed it to survive the destruction. Not only that there were rather large chunks of the planet let, so many sorts of materials could have been intact after it’s destruction.
    ——————————
    “I guess Revenge of the Sith where Magna Guard electro-staff weapons, made of phrik, don’t tank light sabers (which use plasma, by the way) also doesn’t exist..”

    Which doesn’t show that it’s “indestructible”, no more than cortisis is for being able to short-circuit lightsabers. Not only that those were brief strikes, there is no proof that it would withstand an extremely long exposure to a lightsaber.
    ——————————
    “Copypasta. If he’s too lazy to come up with an actual argument, he’s too lazy to type that on his own.”

    But it is my own argument you retarded shit. You continue to show that you’re incapable of creating a post that contains an modicrum of intellect.

    ———————————–
    “About how long did it take to type all that up or did you just copy and paste?”

    Unless there is another SM vs Dark trooper debate somewhere in the exact same format obviously I didn’t just “copy and paste” you retarded shit. Not only that, even if I did it still wouldn’t change any of the points I brought up.

  60. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 6:40 pm -      #60

    “Kyle Katarn is a force sensitive one man army, for the record. ”

    For the record Kyle Katarn is an unaugmented “human” who was able to take down a Phase 3 dark trooper, showing that they are not the “HUURRF DURF UNDEUDTATABUL AWAMUR” that you sub-humans claim they are. Even if that part was not there the proof is overwhelming that the Space Marine would tear apart the Dark Trooper.

  61. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 6:42 pm -      #61

    “The Space Marine would need something like a plasma cannon to challenge a Dark Trooper. Bolters won’t cut it.”

    And a lightsaber is mostly heat energy, to suggest that a bolter which has immense kinetic force, wouldn’t penetrate a Phase 3 Dark Trooper is wank. Enough shots in the right places will penetrate and destroy the DT, if the Space Marine hasn’t closed in and started tearing it apart in melee first.

  62. Amm0vamp1r3 August 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm -      #62

    @Fisherking

    I didn’t say it would change the points you brought up my angry friend. I was just wondering because It was a lot of info and I would be impressed if you typed it all

  63. Amm0vamp1r3 August 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm -      #63

    And since most of that is quotes, copying and pasting is still viable and very much believable

  64. Glutinous-Bicarbonate August 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm -      #64

    I recall an instance of combat automatons fighting against Space Marines in Mechanicum. I’ll look it over when I can, but that will have to be late tomorrow.

  65. Amm0vamp1r3 August 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm -      #65

    But since I am just doing idle chatter, I leave you serious debaters to it

  66. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 6:49 pm -      #66

    “I recall an instance of combat automatons fighting against Space Marines in Mechanicum. I’ll look it over when I can, but that will have to be late tomorrow.”

    Which means nothing. SM fight all manner of foes it doesn’t change the feats they’re capable of.

  67. Glutinous-Bicarbonate August 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm -      #67

    I disagree. If it happens that these automatons were able to inflict heavy casualties, and not be especially better armed than the phase three, then that is evidence that SMs are not as effective against that type of enemy.

  68. Xornell August 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm -      #68

    “Very little actual information from these two excerpts. We know it has missile tubes that are powerful enough to destroy personal shieldings, but would that be able to penetrate power armor or hurt the Space Marine? ”

    Yes.

    “Well I’m sure in sufficient numbers it could, but the problem lies in the fact that they were stated to be slow. With a space marine’s bullet-speed the missiles would be dodged with ease and shot before they reached the Space Marine.”

    Perhaps for a missile or a laser. Put slow into context. Also, it’s a homing missile. You’re saying the Spess Mareen is going to not only dodge an entire rack of missiles, but then outrun them? While he’s being hit with 500 plasma rounds per minute? Then he’s going to get near the trooper and throw some planetbusting punches and hope the armor breaks? Wut?

    “All the Space Marine would need to do to obtain victory would be to continuously dodge teh attacks of the Dark Trooper while closing the distance enough to destroy it.”

    Riiiiight up until the Dark Trooper takes flight with it’s jetpack.

    “Pure wank. Unless you can prove that the speed a droid moves is enough to dodge bullets and rival a Space Marine’s feats, you’re just spewing retarded nonsense.”

    Didn’t say they could, kiddo. Actually, if you read your own post, you’d see that I was responding to thinking, not motion. In which case, why the fuck would a peak human thing faster than a computer?

    Yes it is retard, it proves my claims you shit-brains.”

    You didn’t make claims. You went “SPESS MARREN WINS! 40k ARE BEST!”, then proceeded to throw paragraphs of fluff around like they meant anything at all.

    “And the box could’ve been in an vault or some other form of serious protection that allowed it to survive the destruction.”

    Nope.

    “Not only that there were rather large chunks of the planet let, so many sorts of materials could have been intact after it’s destruction.”

    Also nope. I don’t recall seeing any chunks in Episode IV. There were no human-made structures around, only an asteroid belt. Most asteroids, as you may or probably don’t know, are made up of very tiny fragments held together by gravity. This is why shooting a missile at an incoming asteroid would be ineffective. This is likely what makes up the Alderaan asteroid field.

    “But it is my own argument you retarded shit. You continue to show that you’re incapable of creating a post that contains an modicrum of intellect.

    Wow! What a fantastic response! “No u”.

    “Unless there is another SM vs Dark trooper debate somewhere in the exact same format obviously I didn’t just “copy and paste” you retarded shit.

    All those quotes only pertain to Dark Troopers?

    I was going to call you a moron, but I refuse to sink to your level because you’ll beat me with experience.

  69. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm -      #69

    Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron features a phrik box in mission 2 which you must retrieve from the ruins of Alderaan. It survived the planet’s destruction, and contains a still functioning Holocron inside.

    I think a bolter packs somewhat less energy than this..

  70. OberHeresy August 10, 2013 at 6:57 pm -      #70

    Ok, I do want to bring something up about Phrik. Everyone acts like it surviving the destruction of Alderaan was a huge deal, and it’s nothing to sneeze at……but it’s not like Alderaan was completely destroyed either. It was blown apart. And you guys gotta give us some solid numbers for its known highest durability. All I’ve ever heard about it is “It reel gud.” essentially, and while it seems to be…..gimme something besides it can withstand a lighsaber and that debatable good surviving Alderaan feat.

    And Xornell, I shouldn’t have to tell you that plasma is SW =\= plasma on Wh40k, just like Halo plasma =\= either of those. I don’t know which is stronger, or whatever, but saying “Wh40k plasma tears up WH40k armor, therefore a Star Wars plasma gun can tear up Wh40k armor.”

  71. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm -      #71

    Well until you provide anything resembling a source then I can safely disregard that. Not only that you’d have to prove that they are “not especially better armed” than the DT or that they’re no physically superior, or that it wasn’t situational, for your claim to mean anything whatsoever. Even if all of the above were true the simple fact that the feats presented for Space Marines would allow it to triumph over the DT, regardless of what defeated a SM in 40k.

  72. OberHeresy August 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm -      #72

    And what are these things normally controlled by? Human or computer? Because I assume we’re not just picking and choosing the best of each here, or I can just make our Space Marine some Librarian that can tear the DT apart from within.

  73. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 7:01 pm -      #73

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHZ75yFP2Q

    Less than a minute in to this video, you get to see how big the phrik box is. It’s small enough to be held in Organa’s hand.

  74. OberHeresy August 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm -      #74

    @GB
    Space Marines “effectiveness” changes with how the plot demands it. One moment a whole squad can wipe out legions of Necrons, the next Necrons are wiping out chapters. One moment some Dark Eldar are taken down with no casualties, the next they’re wiping out swathes of Space Marines. Just take the feats at face value, and apply it to the enemy at hand. I really don’t like these comparision games.

  75. Glutinous-Bicarbonate August 10, 2013 at 7:05 pm -      #75

    Then speak to us about context Mr. Fisher. In those quotes you posted, who were those space marines? We’re they veterans? Was their chapter possessed of any special genetic attributes? Can you prove that those feats are inclusive to every marine, and not exclusive to veterans and plotly significant individuals; which this marine would not be?

  76. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm -      #76

    The problem is the only canon instance that I personally know of Phrik being defeated, in canon, is by Kyle Katarn using the Assault Cannon he got off of a Dark Trooper Phase II. Light sabers, which use plasma, can’t hurt Phrik. The Assault Cannon, which does use plasma, can. The issue is the game the Dark Troopers are from is.. old.. although enemies seem fairly realistic in what it takes to bring them down. Kyle Katarn himself is very durable and can take a number of blows that would kill any other human. The game mechanics nature of game play makes it difficult to figure out exactly how much we can rely on the Phase III ‘s performance in the game. It’s supposed to be able to do everything the Phase II does but better.. but Moch pretty much just stands there and spams a shit ton of plasma at you. I don’t even remember ever seeing him use missiles. The Dark Trooper AI has them flying ALL OVER the place for the Phase II’s, however. If this is just the armor.. we can assume it will try to speed blitz the space marine, flying at the marine at an angle while letting off a wide spray of rounds to saturate the whole area in plasma splash and missile explosions.

    All I can gather from this is that Assault Cannons are firing anti-vehicle rockets and plasma that could punch through AT-AT armor (because it’s moe powerful than a light saber, and a light saber can cut through an AT-AT in every given available instance). Getting hit by it is probably instant death by anything including the Space Marine.

  77. OberHeresy August 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm -      #77

    @Sauro
    Which is why I’m not so big on the feat. In a New Hope they go through what is essentially an asteroid field of Alderaan’s remains. Which means that while all”most life is certainly gone, a box could easily survive, especially if the plot demands it.

  78. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #78

    “Perhaps for a missile or a laser. Put slow into context. Also, it’s a homing missile. You’re saying the Spess Mareen is going to not only dodge an entire rack of missiles, but then outrun them? While he’s being hit with 500 plasma rounds per minute? Then he’s going to get near the trooper and throw some planetbusting punches and hope the armor breaks? Wut?”

    The excerpts never stated anything about a “plasma chaingun”, that’s pure wank on your part. Even if they did have it the SM would still dodge them. Also the rates of speed aren’t relative. If it is described as “slow” that means it is moving at a rate of speed that means it does not move at a quick rate of time. This means that it most certainly does not move as fast as a bullet, or even close to such speeds, which means that no SM will be hit with such a rocket.


    “Riiiiight up until the Dark Trooper takes flight with it’s jetpack.”

    And the speed at which the DT flies is not stated, and it most certainly isn’t fast enough for the SM to not be able to hit it as it has been shown they have pinpoint accuracy.
    ————————–
    “why the fuck would a peak human thing faster than a computer?”

    I never stated they would you stupid piece of shit, as SM are not “peak human thing”, they’re super-human in all regards. This quote proves the speed at which they can think is far in excess of what a human can do and, unless it has a super computer brain, a droid.

    “““His battle-hardened mind assessed the relative strengths and weakness of the six soldiers without conscious thought; armament, distance, levels of combat effectiveness, routes of attack and escape calculated in less than a few panicked beatings of their hearts.” – Imperial Armour Volume 9, p.46 – The Badab War – Part One”

    ——————————–

    “You didn’t make claims”

    Further proof that Xornell is easily one of the most retarded things ever to shitcomment on FP. It’s amazing it can even breath.

    ——————————
    ” I don’t recall seeing any chunks in Episode IV.”

    Then you’re retarded. There were NUMEROUS chunks of alderaan, and considering it’s a planet each chunk had to be quite large. A phrix box could’ve survived inside of an underground bunker that “tanked” the force of the explosion.
    ————————————-
    “Wow! What a fantastic response! “No u”.”

    The sub-human thinks that it can play off its embarrassing failure. Protip: you can’t.
    ———————————–
    “All those quotes only pertain to Dark Troopers?”

    The text inbetween states what the excerpts are proving.

  79. Glutinous-Bicarbonate August 10, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #79

    I have renegade squadron. A the quote goes like “the holo rim was encased in phrik, one of the strongest substances in the galaxy.” Which would put it above most other materials.

  80. Commander Cross August 10, 2013 at 7:13 pm -      #80

    @Admiral at #3038 of IoM vs GE

    Its still nothing compared to what Marvel’s Dr. Doom or Original!-Kagato of the Tenchi-verse would have brought to the table, although to give positive kudos where they’re due at least Vader being a Dark Force User is expanded on in-depth.

    @Match at hand

    It depends on the chapter, the right chapter makes a major difference here, and we already know that the GK Marine would overkill most Vanilla Phase 3 Dark Troopers, but that’s like sending in Force-User Dark Troopers against ‘Regular’ Marines and seeing what happens.

    Since the match suggester didn’t state otherwise, can we assume that the Phase 3 Dark Trooper in question is of HK-47/IG-88 levels of Intelligence?

  81. Glutinous-Bicarbonate August 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm -      #81

    *Holocron

  82. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 7:15 pm -      #82

    No..the force exploded a planet sending chunks at superluminal speeds. I dont think the imperium has any weapon that can match this even in the navy.

  83. Commander Cross August 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm -      #83

    The Force being used to destroy a planet, are we talking about Nihilus just to make sure we’re on the same page?

    The only thing from Ancient Star Wars confirmed to survive is HK-47 and I know he’s not a Planet Buster(Not by Supernatural Power at least!) really.

  84. OberHeresy August 10, 2013 at 7:20 pm -      #84

    Just to make myself clear, I don’t think a vanilla Space Marine could pull through, or I’m not quite sure. A Tau Battlesuit, or maybe a Grey Knight would be a better match.

    As for Phrik, I’m just never sure what to make of it. It suppose to be incredibly strong, but it’s only feat are surviving an explosion that is debatable in how much damage it would have done to it anyways what with the lack of complete destruction of Alderaan, gameplay mechanics, and the fact that it can be used to block a lighsaber, which isn’t all that unique in Star Wars super metals from what I know.

  85. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:20 pm -      #85

    “Can you prove that those feats are inclusive to every marine, and not exclusive to veterans and plotly significant individuals; which this marine would not be?”

    The feats for the SM have been shown, showing what a SM is capable of doing. The fact that a SM was able to do those feats shows that any SM is able to perform feats on that same tier. There is no way you could “disqualify” any of those excerpts from pertaining to all SM in general. Even one such feat would go for all SM, but considering such feats are spread across many different sources it’s undeniable proof that it’s capable for them to do such things.
    ————————————
    “Light sabers, which use plasma, can’t hurt Phrik. ”

    Retarded. Just because light sabers didn’t instantly destroy the material doesn’t mean that under continued exposure it wouldn’t face structural failure.

    ” The Assault Cannon, which does use plasma, can”

    Which prove my point.

    “we can assume it will try to speed blitz the space marine, flying at the marine at an angle while letting off a wide spray of rounds to saturate the whole area in plasma splash and missile explosions.”

    Too bad the SM won’t be stationary, and would be tracking the DT while unleashing pinpoint shots at it. It could hit the DT in any number of places that would compromise it’s combat efficiency. A shot to the jet packs, for example, could send it plummeting to the ground if it even was able to fly in the first place.

  86. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:22 pm -      #86

    “It depends on the chapter, the right chapter makes a major difference here”

    Wrong. Any SM, from any chapter, could perform the feats listed and thus defeat the DT. Regardless of the chapter it’s still a SM.

  87. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm -      #87

    “The fact that a SM was able to do those feats shows that any SM is able to perform feats on that same tier.”

    Should I go about listing every real life war hero and top sniper?

    I mean, I don’t really care, to be honest. I don’t see how the Space Marine can win this. At best it back up until it is out of ammo.. and then just run away until it finally tires and slows enough for the Dark Trooper to get on it.

    At worst.. it’s likely to not even know that the plasma weapon can hurt it, and gets cored right off the bat.

  88. OberHeresy August 10, 2013 at 7:25 pm -      #88

    How fast can these DT move? Because I can provide a speed feat of a SM sprinting something like thirty yards, vaulting over a ship console, and splitting someone’s skull open with his sword in what is described as a heartbeat.

  89. Sauroposeidon August 10, 2013 at 7:30 pm -      #89

    “Retarded. Just because light sabers didn’t instantly destroy the material doesn’t mean that under continued exposure it wouldn’t face structural failure.”

    The magna guard deflected several light saber blows.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fak7aD05J8

    Here we see them in the Clone Wars.

    Does anyone want to explain to me what the useless electro part of the electro-staff weapon does? It does not seem to add to its offensive or defensive capabilities AT ALL. Is it just to look scary? I know SW villains are big fans of adding imposing features just for the psychological effect.

  90. Commander Cross August 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm -      #90

    On #86

    I wasn’t talking about in regards to Feats, contrary to belief.
    Each different chapter has a separate way of thinking beyond the defense of the IoM, honoring the Emperor of Mankind and all that jazz they all share.
    By that way of thinking, I mean the ways they each get the mission accomplished.

  91. GuardianAngel1911 the Ten Tails Jinchuriki August 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm -      #91

    wow, this got bumped without me doing it.

    @Sauro
    I think it’s supposed to be like a taser weapon thing, kind of like the stun sticks in Arkham Asylum/City.

  92. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm -      #92

    “Should I go about listing every real life war hero and top sniper?”

    No because they’re not all one single “race” you stupid piece of shit. The ascension process is universally the same for all SM’s, and they are all on the same tier.
    ——————————————–
    ” I don’t see how the Space Marine can win this”

    You’re extremely retarded then. The evidence for a SM victory is overwhelming. The Sm would be moving and comprehending at bullet-speed and continuously hitting the DT with pinpoint accuracy. If the DT wasn’t detroyed by then the SM would have closed into melee where it would proceed break teh DT apart.

  93. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm -      #93

    “Should I go about listing every real life war hero and top sniper?”

    No because they’re not all one single “race” you stupid piece of shit. The ascension process is universally the same for all SM’s, and they are all on the same tier.
    ——————————————–
    ” I don’t see how the Space Marine can win this”

    You’re extremely retarded then. The evidence for a SM victory is overwhelming. The SM would be moving and comprehending at bullet-speed and continuously hitting the DT with pinpoint accuracy. If the DT wasn’t destroyed by then the SM would have closed into melee where it would proceed to tear the DT apart.

  94. Commander Cross August 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm -      #94

    What chapters would make the cut to give The Dark Trooper a worthy fight, and which ones die horribly as they find a new way to commit suicide-by-Dark-Trooper-Phase-3?

  95. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm -      #95

    Post 92 was an accident, I pressed “post comment” on accident.

  96. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:36 pm -      #96

    @Commander Cross
    “What chapters would make the cut to give The Dark Trooper a worthy fight”

    If by “worthy fight” you mean “curbstomp” then all of them would.

  97. Commander Cross August 10, 2013 at 7:41 pm -      #97

    Not even close to my idea of a Worthy Fight.
    I mean Worthy Fight as in ‘Its equally as likely for one guy to kill that other guy as its likely for other guy to kill that one guy’, frankly.

  98. CannibalisticCookie August 10, 2013 at 7:42 pm -      #98

    How is this guy not banned yet?

  99. Amm0vamp1r3 August 10, 2013 at 7:43 pm -      #99

    Because we are tougher than that, if we let every cussing debater get to us, then we let THEM when, the people who seek to censor things.

    JK :lol:

  100. FisherKing August 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm -      #100

    “Not even close to my idea of a Worthy Fight.
    I mean Worthy Fight as in ‘Its equally as likely for one guy to kill that other guy as its likely for other guy to kill that one guy’, frankly.”

    Then none of them, as the DT has no chance whatsoever to kill a SM.

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