Link Vs Rand Al’Thor

Link Vs Rand Al'Thor

Here comes another interesting match in which both fighters have tremendous powers and abilities to fight each other.

I know more about Link than Rand, so I don’t think it would be fair on my part to post a victor, so I’ll leave it up to the readers to decide –

Who wins?

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89 Comments on "Link Vs Rand Al’Thor"

  1. Matapiojo January 21, 2009 at 7:52 am -      #1

    Rand. No question in my mind.

    Link is mighty, but Rand is godly. A few weaves of the True Power and Link will simply bust in flames that could never be extinguished even by supernatural means.

    Weavers in the Wheel of Times have a particularly menacing ability to cut out the target individual from the source of their magic. If Link isnt able to tap into his magical gear and attributes, this fight will be shot and painful. Due to his “madness”, Rand is pretty merciless towards his oponents.

  2. megafire January 21, 2009 at 11:14 am -      #2

    I have nothing to add to that.

  3. Space marine January 21, 2009 at 4:49 pm -      #3

    He could just look at link and Induce him into a coma.

  4. Baron Somebody January 21, 2009 at 11:10 pm -      #4


    Dan vs Rand who wins?

  5. Space marine January 22, 2009 at 6:16 am -      #5

    Whats with Dan!?
    Do you want a Dan vs series?(Not a suggestion)

  6. Matapiojo January 22, 2009 at 11:22 am -      #6


    He got a “Matapiojo gets a nosebleed” series.

    JUst to answer your question. Al’Thor obliterates Dan.

  7. Baron Somebody January 22, 2009 at 3:43 pm -      #7

    Lol I was just asking damn man…anyway you said he could turn lInk to flames but…nevermind I just won’t finish the rest

  8. Space marine January 23, 2009 at 6:19 am -      #8

    Link also looks pretty P!ssed…..Zelda cheated on him.

  9. Matapiojo January 23, 2009 at 9:36 am -      #9

    “Lol I was just asking damn man…anyway you said he could turn lInk to flames but…nevermind I just won’t finish the rest”

    No, please. Do continue.

    “Link also looks pretty P!ssed…..Zelda cheated on him.”

    Must have caught her when she was on her Sheik disguise. Made him get all the wrong ideas.

  10. Tim January 23, 2009 at 10:43 am -      #10

    I don’t know anything Rand so I can’t say who I think will win here but if Link used his goron(red) tunic or the goron mask would Rand’s fire attack still affect Link as those two things make him virtually immune to fire or heat damage.

  11. Matapiojo January 23, 2009 at 11:48 am -      #11

    Well, like I mentioned above, Rand has the ability to completely shield a person from tapping into magic. Weaving this spell around Link, Al’Thor would take away his ability to activate the magic within items, the magical enhancements Link has gathered, and any natural magical abilities. Link would not even be able to “see” magic.

    In that sense, no. The mask would simply be a mask on Link’s face. Nothing special would trigger once Links puts it on.

  12. Tim January 23, 2009 at 1:28 pm -      #12

    So he would still be able to use his Goron tunic as I don’t think that uses any magic at all to provide it’s immunity to fire.

  13. Matapiojo January 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm -      #13

    Well, I dont think you are undestanding.

    In essence, the tunic will be just fine, no harm will come to it. However, Link’s ability to harness the magic within the tunic will be lost. This means that the robe will be just fine within Rand’s enchantment, while Link simply cooks from the inside out.

    Further, you are clinging to a minor detail. Rand can easily change his weave to have the spell consuming Link take any number of attributes. I said flames as an example, but they could very well turn to unnatural shadows, acid, extreme frost, etc, etc. Hell, he could make Link simply bust in a globe of light, all well within the Dragon Rebon’s ability to control the True Power.

  14. Baron Somebody January 23, 2009 at 4:29 pm -      #14

    Well as for Dan couldn’t he use the Dragon Armor and then flames won’t affect him? What about his golden shield as well?

  15. swifterdeath January 23, 2009 at 4:55 pm -      #15

    “Well as for Dan couldn’t he use the Dragon Armor and then flames won’t affect him? What about his golden shield as well?”

    are you obsessed with dan? so much that you must find a way that dan can win again a powerful foe by asking someone when he isnt even in the discussion?

  16. Tim January 23, 2009 at 4:58 pm -      #16

    Yikes this guy must be powerful if you all say he could defeat someone as powerful as Link this easily! Does his power have a limit or is there nothing too powerful for him? I still don’t think Link would go down easily though as many of his items and weapons are not magical.

  17. x on January 23, 2009 at 5:25 pm -      #17

    Hey Matapiojo and Rand fight Kharn and win?

  18. Baron Somebody January 23, 2009 at 8:27 pm -      #18


    Well they are in the same genre and I never said Dan would win…I think against Rand he would get seriously pwned…same with against people like Starkiller or Kharn or Baron Samedi

  19. Space marine January 23, 2009 at 11:17 pm -      #19


  20. Matapiojo January 24, 2009 at 5:16 pm -      #20

    Well, with Dan’s magical nature would be an even worse scenario as with Link. As soon as Rand closes the shielding weave around the reanimated knight, the bones would just crumble onto the ground….lifeless.

    With that out of the way, against Kharn would be hard to determine, and certainly not a good way to continue this debate as it might take some time to sort out. In hand to hand combat Kharn wins. Using Rand’s magic…inconclusive. Most of his spells would be nullified, but Al’Thor has some pretty extreme weaves (such as Balefire) that might ignore Kharn’s protection. Like I said, we will leave that fight for another day.

    Onto Link once again…

    “Does his power have a limit or is there nothing too powerful for him? I still don’t think Link would go down easily though as many of his items and weapons are not magical.”

    Rand does have a limit, but it is pretty big. Lets do a simple metaphor. Say that your regular wizard can “fill” a bucket of water with his magic. Then, we can say that a powerful wizard (such as Gandalf the Grey) can fill a swimming pool. I would say that Rand’s limit is comparable in this way to filling the Hoover Dam. Some of the great feats of magic this man has accomplished could be seen for several hundreds of miles away.

    Once Link has been shielded from all source of magic, Rand can just split him apart. Molecule, by molecule.

  21. Tim January 26, 2009 at 6:38 am -      #21

    Link gets owned! I liked the metaphor you used to describe different wizards magical strength by the way.

  22. Matapiojo January 26, 2009 at 8:59 am -      #22

    @Tim – Heh, thank you, mate.

  23. The Chosen One February 1, 2009 at 12:33 am -      #23

    Link is just better with a sword plus he has explosives and fairy spirits
    (which rezzerect him)

  24. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 1, 2009 at 5:54 pm -      #24

    Right, I knew nothing about Rand Al’Thor so I did some reasearch and he sounds pretty unstoppable, like unstoppable as in a really really angry Hulk running at a wooden fence unstoppable. Kind of where Rand is the Hulk and Link is a couple of twigs in his way, sure Hulk might see them but he isn’t going to notice them. Yeah, not the best analogy but it gets the point across. Secondly, Rand is a unofficial Blademaster so I’d like to see what a four foot elf is going to do when Al’Thor kicks him in the face. However, its doubtful to say the least when, as Matapiojo says, he could break Link down to his atoms. Oh, and one last thing, learn to spell, there isn’t a single ‘z’ in resurrect.

  25. Matapiojo February 1, 2009 at 8:28 pm -      #25

    Yup, he is pretty gargantuan on the “Power Scale”.



    Link = /poof

    “Link is just better with a sword plus he has explosives and fairy spirits
    (which rezzerect him)”

    I don’t think I need to add anything else other than…..NO. Why? Just read above.

  26. Cpt Olimar February 1, 2009 at 10:56 pm -      #26

    This must be the first character on BankGambling that can “silence” an opponent from casting magic. Ouch, thats nasty.

    This is out of total curiosity and it by no means “ha link wins because of this”
    But would hookshot/longshot/ or boomerang “stun” him. Or would that be considered a magical effect? I would say its physical…. but…..
    What do you think Metapiojo.

  27. Matapiojo February 2, 2009 at 7:41 am -      #27

    @Cpt Olimar

    Those are certainly physical means of combat. One which Link could be more than able enough to win most other matches. They would be a problem, but only if they would BOTH be silenced. Sinse Rand can Shield Link from all magic, and continue casting other weaves WHILE maintaining the shield (ha has done this in the past), this is no issue.

    Link is a superb combatant, but he can simply not match against a being that would be called God in any other universe. Hell, The Dragon Reborn is almost called God in his own universe…

  28. Scenario February 6, 2009 at 10:36 pm -      #28


    The terminology confuses me a little. Does “shield” mean that Rand cuts Link off from an outside source of magic? If so, Link draws his magic from inside his own body (that’s what the magic meter represents). In fact, it seems that Link’s items actually use his magic rather than him using theirs (but only if they use the magic meter, so magic items that don’t use the meter won’t work).

    If I’m wrong, Link’s screwed. If I’m right, he may have a chance, if only for the surprise factor of Link using magic while shielded.

  29. Cpt Olimar February 7, 2009 at 12:03 am -      #29

    no, Rand can literally silence magic users. Whatever benefits he would get from the triforce of courage would remain… but this isn’t going to help much at all.
    I agree link is done for in this battle. Anyway, even longshot is dodgable, although it moves quite nicely in OoT.

    “They would be a problem, but only if they would BOTH be silenced.” What do you mean by this. If you said that they are physical, then how could they be silenced? Do you mean that the “stun” is magical, but the actual usage of the item is physical?

    Regardless Rand wins this, but could you explain what you said metapiojo, I don’t get it X_X
    BTW, Kratos would get owned even more badly by Rand. Kratos would think his fleece would work and one hit he dies haha. Put him against a force user like Vader or something. I doubt the force can be silenced though.

  30. Matapiojo February 7, 2009 at 2:54 pm -      #30

    I guess my wording was not the clearest ever written on this site. I meant to say that unless Link has an ability to silence Rand after he was silenced in turn, the physical attacks will still have to go through any magical defences the Dragon Reborn will have in place.

    Otherwise, arrows, longshot, boomerang, master sword, etc. will simply stop short of the mark due to an air barrier or any other sort of weave Rand could concieve. He has been known to make up new spells on the fly.

  31. Matapiojo February 7, 2009 at 3:05 pm -      #31

    “Does “shield” mean that Rand cuts Link off from an outside source of magic?”

    Sorry for the double-post, I neglected to address this question. What Rand does is cut the target of the “Shield” from tapping into anything magical. It is not an actual barrier that permeates surfaces. Link would be unable to feel, manipulate, project, or otherwise tap into anything with magical properties, much less cast spells.

    The Master Sword would be just a longsword, the Ocarina of Time would be just a wind instrument, the Mirror Shield would just be a regular shield with a reflective surface, etc.

    The effects of this Shielding are absolute. Only Rand has shown an aptitute to break through this silencing enchantment, and even then, it was after a very long period of captivity. Thatnks to this, he learned how to make the spell even stronger…

    Now, for argument’s sake (I do not believe it to be the cas) lets say that the Triforce is a divine effect. Lets argue that this Shielding doesn’t affect divine intervention. In this case, perhaps the effects of Link’s Shard of Courage would continue to permeate through. How would that affect the outcome of the fight?

    Again, I don’t believe that to be the case, but I feel its a valid point to address or at the very least gather opinions. As there are no divine sources of magic in the Wheel of Time, I have no precedence of this interaction or its possible outcome.

  32. Scenario February 7, 2009 at 6:05 pm -      #32

    Alright , I got it. No magic, period. Link loses.

    But I feel I must say that both the Triforce and Master sword are divine artifacts. The Triforce of Courage gives Link instant mastery of weapons, fearlessness, infinite stamina, no need to sleep, and the ability be understood without saying a word (standard videogame hero package).

    Note: The above is not meant to be taken seriously.

  33. Cpt Olimar February 7, 2009 at 7:54 pm -      #33

    The Trifore of Courage alone is not enough to deal with Rand. its not like the gods of Hyrule just protect him in some way. All it does is “give” Link unquanifiable willpower and courage. (Although, I tend to believe that he is born with it. That’s its a part of him, opposed to an item he receives.) Regardless, Rand would probably be impressed by the unstoppable will and determination of Link. But that is going to be something Rand will remember after the battle is over.

  34. jordan Thurman March 18, 2009 at 7:11 pm -      #34

    If the power of Rand is that powerful only two people could fight him and do damage. (DR. Manhattan) (Thanos : Infinity Guantlet)

  35. El Zilcho March 29, 2009 at 6:29 am -      #35

    Theoretically Rand could kill (not really the right word, but it will suffice) Dr Manhattan; if Manhattan was to come into contact with balefire, it would be the end of him. I say theoretically however, because Rand would have almost no chance to use this due to Manhattan precognitive abilities.
    So unless Manhattan looked into the future, saw he was going to die, then excepted that it had to happen, he could dematerialize Rand before the weave was finished (and that doesn’t take long).

    As for Thanos, I don’t really know enough about him to say yes or no.

  36. FierceDeity888 April 29, 2009 at 11:03 pm -      #36

    If Rand can really cut any flow of magic off of an enemy, as much as I hate the thought of it, Link doesn’t stand much of a chance.

  37. FierceDeity888 April 29, 2009 at 11:37 pm -      #37

    Btw would you mind telling me what Rand is off of. It is really interesting me.

  38. El Zilcho April 30, 2009 at 1:34 am -      #38

    Rand al’Thor is the main character of the Wheel of Time book series by Robert Jordan. The series itself is ridiculously huge, currently at 11 books (each 600 pages +) with the 12th and final book being written (which is currently 800,000 words and will be split into 3 volumes for its release).

    I have recently finished book 11 and am a huge fan of the series. It is however, long and tedious at times, and requires a bit of dedication to read through, but is well worth the effort.

  39. Matapiojo April 30, 2009 at 8:25 am -      #39

    Rand al’Thor is the main character in the Wheel of Time saga written by Robert Jordan.

  40. FierceDeity888 April 30, 2009 at 7:31 pm -      #40

    Thanks. Although I am seeing posts I want to add to, I must keep my promise to myself and not let the stress of this site overrun me like it used to. I left and came back for a day. I’ll check up again but I’m no longer part of it.

  41. Matapiojo April 30, 2009 at 8:43 pm -      #41

    S’all good. We’ll be here.

    If the debates are too stressful, try out the Forums for a bit lighter mood. There MUST be something you want to share, or learn. The Forums could be your place.

  42. El Zilcho May 1, 2009 at 6:02 am -      #42

    Yeah. One important thing to remember is that no matter who wins a fight, it never effects how baddass/awesome you find a character. A character’s strength relates directly to the universe they exist in, which in turn is based on how fantastic/over powered the author(s) want it to be. The Master Chief is a prime example in my opinion. I’m going to cop a lot of flack for this, but I will never find a Space Marine to be cooler then MC, despite their ability use him as Origami.

    Also Admin, while I think that picture is pretty cool, it’s not very accurate on the overall looks of Rand.
    This site has some ridiculously good Wheel of Time pictures (and a very good one of al’Thor). However, I’m not sure if there are any legal things involved so you might want to check that if you decide to use one. You should have a look into it though; these are the best Wheel of Time pictures I’ve seen anywhere.

  43. FierceDeity888 May 3, 2009 at 2:20 am -      #43

    Yeah I decided on putting another comment on here. My main problem with it is the constant stream of insults you get for siding with the character that others are against. Thanks for being supportive for the amount of time I’ve been on. Btw, I’m gonna take your recommendation Matapiojo and try out the forums. It’s good that we get to talk again. I bet you know who I am. I’ve let my head clear since we last had our arguements on here. I let the stress get to me, so I ended up quitting. Looks like I’m back for the most part.
    Btw, El Zilcho I agree. I’m glad my search has ended though. I had been looking for someone who could defeat composite Link (or at least come to a draw) w/o killing themselves. I’m glad I found one. I thought a bit, Link would put up a good fight w/o his magic, but I think Rand’s magic would eventually overwhelm him.

    I’ll see you guys on the forums.

  44. Nevi May 31, 2009 at 8:18 pm -      #44

    This Rand guy seems extremly powerful and I’m not sure that Link will win this, but I would like to bring up a point. The TOC has been proven to heal Link and his magic aswell as making him ineffected against statue changing magic.

  45. AHEM June 26, 2009 at 11:18 pm -      #45

    Based just on swords, this match would be hard to determine. Link has shown quite a few skillful moves with the Master Sword, especially in Twilight Princess. However, Rand is a blademaster himself and can conjure blades that slice through metal like paper, not to mention his advantage of using “the Void”. I’d say that would be a 60/40 deal in favor of Rand, at best for Link.

    In the magical department, Link’s huge arsenel isn’t going to be enough in this fight. While he’s digging around in his pack searching for just the right item, Rand will be slamming him with attack after attack. This is a person would can wipe out a city with one blow(with a Sa’angreal). Putting enough juice to kill a single opponent, even one with very good defenses, ten times over into a single weave of the One Power would be pretty easy for Rand.

    Of course, Link might be able to hold him off for a short while with his numerous defenses(Red mail or Golden armor + invisibility cape + Cane of Bryna + Naryu’s Love) provided that Rand doesn’t have Callandor.(If he does, I don’t think even all those defenses would save Link from one huge blow.) Rand’s attacks would be foiled for a little while, but once he used his shielding weaves to silence Link or aimed a beam of balefire at him, the fight would be over.

    If Link has the Fierce Deity’s Mask, things might be a little harder for Rand. In that form, Link could beat Rand at close quarters, but a beam of balefire driven with enough power to erase a city from existence would still be the end of him. Then there’s the issue of Rand’s ability to teleport(by opening Gateways), which I think far surpasses any teleportation method Link has used so far.(E.g. Farore’s Wind.)

    The way I see this battle playing out is like this: Rand starts lauching weak attacks(weak for Rand; uber-powered from everyone else’s perspective) at Link, who struggles with his magic items to block or counteract them, getting hit solidly every three blows. Each attack would take 3-5 hearts off of Link’s health meter and probably knock him down, too. Eventually Link manages to put up enough defenses to keep himself alive(given the speed that Rand can churn out attacks, Link would have to act quickly.), and then starts chugging potions to replenish his magic meter and health. From this point, either Rand uses one of his many ultrapowers and ends the battle then and there, or he keeps fighting until Link runs out of potions and collapses, whereupon Rand drives a sword conjured from Power-wrought flames into Link’s chest, ending the fight.

    Of course, Rand could start the battle by blasting Link with balefire, but that scenario is a little less exciting to imagine than Link pulling item after item and Rand countering them one by one until Link has no fight left in him.

  46. El Zilcho July 1, 2009 at 11:05 pm -      #46

    I think a younger Rand would engage Link in sword combat, due to both a sense of honor and a tendency to engage in swordplay rather blowing the enemy pieces with Saidin.
    However, in Rand’s current state of mind, he’s far more like to just annihilate Link from the start through numerous deadly weaves.

  47. AHEM July 4, 2009 at 6:27 pm -      #47

    “I think a younger Rand would engage Link in sword combat, due to both a sense of honor and a tendency to engage in swordplay rather blowing the enemy pieces with Saidin.”

    If that were to happen, Rand would invent a new sword-form to use against Link. He’d call it, “The Dragon stomps the elf.”

  48. Zachalink July 13, 2009 at 9:14 am -      #48

    You people just doen’t understand The Master sword is blessed not magic and so is the mirror shield are blessed not magic.

  49. AHEM July 15, 2009 at 7:41 pm -      #49

    “You people just doen’t understand The Master sword is blessed not magic and so is the mirror shield are blessed not magic.”

    I’d be willing to admit that the Master Sword would still work if Link was shielded, but that wouldn’t be enough to turn the fight. The mirror shield has never been stated to be an artifact of the goddesses or “blessed” rather than magic. If it has, give me a reference.

    Even if it was, it wouldn’t be any use against Rand’s weaves. Link can deflect magical attacks that hit the shield, but he can’t deflect an attack that comes from behind him, and certainly not a nuclear-blast force explosion that forms inside of his body.

  50. AHEM July 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm -      #50

    Since pretty much everyone here seems to agree that Rand wins this fairly easily and no one has provided an argument for Link sufficient to prove he can defeat the Dragon Reborn, I nominate Rand for the BankGambling award.

  51. Cpt Olimar September 11, 2009 at 1:20 am -      #51

    So is it a RANDSTOMP??

    Although I am curious about how this would react wth the Mirror Shield. Isn’t the shield itself able to reflect. What I mean is if the shield was laying on the ground and you shot a magical fireball at it, the fireball would bounce off. My point here is that the user doesn’t tap into the powers of the shield, as he does in other items, opposed to the shield just having those properties so I am not sure whether his silence would work there. I mean it’s a mirror, would silence also take away it’s ability to bounce light? I’ve always thought the both were the same idea.

    But it matters not either way, the offensive magical damage, as well as hexes that Rand can bring into the field just stomp him. In fact even if he wasn’t silenced Link would probably still lose.. hmm maybe not but I doubt it.

  52. AHEM September 12, 2009 at 4:37 pm -      #52

    “So is it a RANDSTOMP??”

    Hahahah! Brilliant! RANDSTOMP! I like it!

    Yeah, we really need a curbstomp type of award for these kinds of outcomes . . .

    “Although I am curious about how this would react wth the Mirror Shield. Isn’t the shield itself able to reflect.”

    Quite possibly. If the shield reflected magic solely on account of its especially reflective surface, it probably would. If Link doesn’t have to activate, manipulate, or otherwise guide the properties of the shield while using it, then it could very well work even when Link has been shielded/silenced.

    “I mean it’s a mirror, would silence also take away it’s ability to bounce light?”

    Rand’s ability to cut magic off probably wouldn’t, but Rand has other weaves for that. In “The Fires of Heaven” he learned how to manipulate light to bend around a structure, rather than being reflected by it. He uses it to turn himself invisible when he wants to. If he wanted to make the Mirror Shield stop reflecting light, he could, but he’d probably make it invisible in the process, because light would no longer even so much as touch it.

    The mirror shield could probably deflect some of the more direct, blunt uses of the One Power. For example, if Rand through fire or lightning at the shield, it would most likely reflect off the surface. However, it wouldn’t be a very good strategy for sending Rand’s own power back at him, since Rand is very experienced and skilled at “cutting” weaves of magic, making them flicker out and die. This is another of his incredible anti-magic abilities, along with shielding/silencing. Throw a fireball at him? He cuts the magic sustaining it and it fizzes out before it reaches him.

    But worse for Link is the fact that Rand doesn’t need to resort to that. He can make his weaves appear and activate anywhere. So, if Link held up the Mirror Shield in front of him to deflect Rand’s magic, the magic would appear behind Link, or inside him, or the ground itself would explode under his feet. Not to mention balefire. If Link tried to reflect a beam of balefire, the mere nature of contact with the beam, even if it was reflected off, would cause the Mirror Shield to be erased from existence before the beam hit it, leaving Link standing there unprotected to be erased from existence.

    “In fact even if he wasn’t silenced Link would probably still lose.. hmm maybe not but I doubt it.”

    Definitely. Not only does Rand possess pretty much all the abilities Link has(without having to use items, might I add), but he can also cut whatever metaphysical cords sustain the magic released by Link’s items, giving the appearance that any magical weapon that Link throws at Rand would just “fail” right before it hit.

  53. Asger October 5, 2009 at 5:15 pm -      #53

    Damn,Rand Al’Thor sounds like a total badass. But the books seem like they’d be too much for me.Is there perhaps an audio book of the series?

    Also,just to stay on topic, I nominate Rand for an FP award.

  54. Cpt Olimar October 5, 2009 at 5:54 pm -      #54

    Never confuse power with coolness. The two are entirely separate :/
    Snake is a prime example, being one of the coolest characters, yet hardly holding a candle to many of the characters on this site.

    If I invented a bunny with a ability to devour the one power and cause all those who use it to de-evolve into bacteria, that would not make the bunny cooler than the person he defeated…

  55. AHEM October 8, 2009 at 5:44 pm -      #55

    “Damn,Rand Al’Thor sounds like a total badass. But the books seem like they’d be too much for me.Is there perhaps an audio book of the series?”

    Yes, indeed. Rand is awesome, in both badassery and power, particularly after the sixth book. It’s largely a part of his character development, going from a largely average person to an iron-willed leader who will lead the forces of the world in the final battle. Add to that, he’s the most powerful channeler ever born, and has some of the most potent weapons ever devised in any fictional story.

    But yeah, the Wheel of Time books are huge, and loaded with detail. They’re the kind of story you have to read over time, the kind that are slow to start but well worth it in the end. There are audiobooks, though, one for each of the books. If you’re looking for them, just google “Wheel of Time audiobooks” and they shouldn’t be hard to find.

    “Also,just to stay on topic, I nominate Rand for an FP award.”

    I second that nomination.

  56. KrazyCrismore October 11, 2009 at 3:34 am -      #56

    I also agree with the nomination.

    Balefire is pretty funny, you hit somebody with it and, you can truthfully state that they stopped exists seconds/minutes/hours/days/weeks/months before that, depending on how much power you put into it. Using the Choden Kal it is hard to imagine how far back it could burn the threads of the pattern.

    Also, regarding the books; it is an excellent series to read, if you have,depending on reading speed, about 40-60 hours to read each book.

    But imo the most badass character in the series in Mat, who coincidentally due to his medallion could most likely take Rand, but that would be a different fight.

  57. Skrunks October 11, 2009 at 4:51 am -      #57

    Rand hasn’t won this yet? Balefire, no more Link. I second the nomination after neglecting to read any of the arguments currently in the debate. :D

  58. Sam the heretic October 11, 2009 at 8:39 am -      #58

    I too nominate Rand. Never mess with a guy who’s been alive more than once…besides, i love insanity in all its forms, and the Lewis Therin/Rand combo gave me lots o’ laughs…and a few man tears

  59. Pondering Fool October 11, 2009 at 9:31 am -      #59

    I second this nomination for the noble BankGambling award to be given to Rand. Balefire and Choden Kal pretty much makes his unstoppable….

    – the pondering fool

  60. Jwlynas October 11, 2009 at 12:04 pm -      #60

    I… whatever (sixth?) the nom for Rand. Still can’t find the first books in the series, stupid waterstones…

  61. Silas of Exmoor December 3, 2009 at 3:12 pm -      #61

    As awesomely cool as Link is, this is kind of an unfair match-up, as has been mentioned before. One thing I’d like to point out though is that while Rand can cut people from the One Power, that’s not where link draws his magic from, so all of Link’s magic items would still work fine.

  62. AHEM December 4, 2009 at 3:09 pm -      #62

    “As awesomely cool as Link is, this is kind of an unfair match-up, as has been mentioned before. One thing I’d like to point out though is that while Rand can cut people from the One Power, that’s not where link draws his magic from, so all of Link’s magic items would still work fine.”


    Rand’s shielding weave works by preventing others from tapping into any source of magical power. It works not only on channelers drawing from the True Source, but people using enchanted objects or drawing power from the Dark One. Saying that Rand wouldn’t be able to shield Link because he uses a different sort of magic is like saying that since Link doesn’t use Rand’s type of magic, none of his items would work on him in the first place.

  63. Arekin Emrald December 23, 2009 at 3:10 pm -      #63

    Although I am a big Link fan, I have also read all of the released WoT books and there is no doubt in my mind that Rand would win. Anyway, even without Balefire, al’Thor is ta’veren so something would probably stop Rand from obliterating Link (maybe something would fall on Link’s head and make him unconcious). Him being ta’veren can account for many possibilities of this seemingly one sided battle. Bottom line, Rand wins!

  64. AHEM December 24, 2009 at 2:09 pm -      #64

    One win for the Dragon Reborn! More to follow, I hope.

  65. thekinghippo January 2, 2010 at 1:21 pm -      #65

    I know that the award has already been given and I could be wrong but Im not sure if link’s part of the triforce would help him against Rand. Tis said that the triforce of courage gives the user increased will power and protects them from curse like spells.

    It could be a counter to Rand’s magic disabling spell. The triforce was also created by the godesses of hyrule, meaning it does not nesseserily fall into the magic category. plz correct me if I am mistaken.

  66. thekinghippo January 2, 2010 at 1:24 pm -      #66

    Whoops! mis read the discription of Rands shield weave sew I guess Links defencless. sry

  67. Ein January 29, 2010 at 8:22 pm -      #67

    Rand could just used balefire, or any number of amazing Weaves…so yea, Link wouldn’t even have time to draw his weapon

  68. johnnyquest February 5, 2010 at 3:35 am -      #68

    ok… first, i saw a metaphor about wizard filling up objects with water and rands power filling up the hoover dam. while thats an awesome analagy, its is way understated. Rand’s power wouldn’t just fill up the hoover dam, it could fill up the great lakes. With the Chakra Sa’angrel Rand could literally channel enough of saidin to destroy the entire planet, nay, to literally wipe the entire planet out of existence as if it had never existed. Without the chakra, Rand can still use balefire to completely erase someone from existence, so thoroughly in fact, that the past deeds of the victim would actually be undone. As far as im aware, there is no character besides another God that could contend with Rand Al’thor, who in his own right, is every bit a God.

  69. No u February 6, 2010 at 3:57 am -      #69

    I think there’s an assumption happening here that Rand is powerful enough to totally seperate Link from his powers. I’ve not read the wheel of time, but what puts him on a scale to be able to do so? Since his magic would have to be powerful enough to stop the magic Link had access to.

  70. luk May 15, 2010 at 10:25 pm -      #70

    rand wins it’s simple he has a shield impenetrable by almost anything (the master sword being good against evil wouldn’t affect this) and if link got close enough to use it he would balefire link out of exsistance

  71. BellaKazza July 30, 2010 at 4:53 pm -      #71

    Rand would get Split in half, Link even without magic can Kill rand, Namely The Fairy Bow, The Fairy Sword, The Boomarang, The Hookshot, Bombs, Bomb-a-Chu’s, Bigorons Sword, Megaton Hammer, The Hyilan Shield, Razor Sword, The Clawshot, The Gillded Sword,
    All of Which would destroy Rand.

  72. Aelfinn September 6, 2010 at 9:15 pm -      #72

    Did you even read the other posts?

    How about this? Rand lights Link on fire from the inside. Link dies.

  73. Negative Zero September 6, 2010 at 9:20 pm -      #73

    Calm down. Rand got his award. By the way thats an awful picture of Link.

  74. AHEM September 19, 2010 at 1:17 pm -      #74

    “I think there’s an assumption happening here that Rand is powerful enough to totally seperate Link from his powers. I’ve not read the wheel of time, but what puts him on a scale to be able to do so? Since his magic would have to be powerful enough to stop the magic Link had access to.”

    It’s one of Rand’s explicit powers. All he needs to do is weave a barrier of spirit around Link, and Link will be totally unable to interact with his own magical powers anymore. He would be blind to them, would no longer have access to them in the first place.

    Not that Rand needs that to win, though.

  75. Cauthan November 5, 2010 at 5:02 pm -      #75

    I didnt read all the replies. Just some of the earlier ones. I would like to make a comment about what was said near the begining. Someone asked if Rand shielded (that is the technical term in the WoT series) Link from his magic, would his red tunic still work. Yes, it would. Basicly, in the WoT, all magic users draw the energy they use to fuel their “magic” from “the source.” A shield is a barrier put in place between a person and “the source.” Obviously, Zelda games, and WoT have very different concepts about magic. But on a level playing field, Rand could use a shield to keep link from his “magic.” But this would only apply to magic spells, and any magical items that required magic from Link (I.E. uses the magic bar). Now, items that are magic, but do not use the bar.. for instance the red tunic, would function. But it wouldnt matter. Sure, such a thing may give immunity to fire… but…

    Rand has access to any number of different magical attacks. Most of them do not have a elemental tag to them. Sure, he can hurl fireballs, or throw ice arrows if he wanted. But things like deathgates. A circular hole appearing in mid air that can cut ANYTHING (the only exception to this is probably cuindillar).

    If you want an idea of how powerful Rand is, in the newest book (Towers of Midnight)…

    **** SPOILER ALERT – DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU HAVE NOT READ TOWERS OF MIDNIGHT AND DO NOT WANT SPOILAGE (Though its a small spoiler. Not a major scene) ****

    Rand kills something like 10,000 trollocs… solo… in an hour.

    **** END SPOILER ****

    One thing you have to realize those is that from the start, Rand’s adversary is The Dark One. Basicly, an evil god, trying to break free. So all along, his power would eventually rise to the level to be able to tackle that kind of a adversary.

  76. Shgon Dunstan August 15, 2012 at 4:28 pm -      #76

    And so that I post this in every thread with Rand.

    “A Crown Of Swords”
    MMPB. Pg.-361. 364 Ch.15 .” Insects”

    “Suddenly he realized that Shiaine had stopped talking. He turn, ready to continue putting her in her place.
    She was leaning forward in the act of rising, one hand on the arm of her chair, the other raised in a gesture. Her narrow face was fixed in petulant defiance, but not at Carridin. She did not move. She did not blink. He was not sure she breathed. He barely noticed her.
    “Ruminating?” Sammael said.”

    And skipping their long talk.

    “Suddenly Shiaine moved, completing her halted rise from the chair. “You mark me, Bors,” she began, then cut off, staring at the window where he had been standing. Her eyes darted, found him, and she jumped. He could have been one of the Chosen himself from the way those eyes bulged.”

    And there you go, a time-stop weave that can be used on people.

    And as Rand has all of LTT’s memories, and as Sammael is -1 in every way to LTT, Rand is sure to know it.

    ….Oh yeah, This one already has a FP-Award… Still, it’s good to know. :D

  77. Voidhunter May 9, 2013 at 5:24 pm -      #77

    Something that seems to be overlooked in this is that by the nature of the master sword it works as a standard longsword against Rand, the master sword is “Evil’s Bane” and rand is not evil therefore its enchantments are null.

  78. Shgon Dunstan September 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm -      #78

    This one only has one year to go before the “five year” limit of rematches…… I wonder if there’s any way to work it into being a “fight” with composite-Link……

    As is… I kind of wonder how *this* one wasn’t to much of a “stomp” to get an award, and in less then a page of debating at that. :?

    “Extra Lives” doesn’t help much Vs Balefire, as it at *best* would have those lives take effectat the point in time the Balefire burns you back to… Just so your new “life” can just get hit with it again, sending it back for the *next* one to take effect… Just to get hit *again*, so on, and so forth, basically forming a big roadblock in your time stream, until you just run out of the things altogether.

    Anyway “rematch”….. Well, I can’t remember any “anti-magic” power of Link’s, and Link is *far* to superhuman for Rand to get into a pure sword fight with… Any ideas?

  79. Amm0vamp1r3 September 12, 2013 at 6:55 pm -      #79

    Rand must have sucked major balls back then to be considered to fight link. Awesome image though he’s like “Yea bro! No I got this! look at this guy he has one earing! I got this! “

  80. Shgon Dunstan September 12, 2013 at 7:00 pm -      #80

    “Rand must have sucked major balls back then to be considered to fight link. Awesome image though he’s like “Yea bro! No I got this! look at this guy he has one earing! I got this! “”

    Likely just a mismatch made by someone who didn’t realized that they were putting a “magically enhanced warrior, with a little spell casting” up against “a *really* powerful and Hax mage, who just so happens to be a master sword fighter”.

    Like I said, making an “balanced” match between the two would be… “Hard”.

    Anyway, that picture isn’t of Rand, or WoT for that matter, though forget who is *is* of.

  81. mack006 September 12, 2013 at 7:17 pm -      #81


  82. mack006 September 12, 2013 at 7:19 pm -      #82

    D’oh, no smiley face :(

  83. Commander Cross September 12, 2013 at 7:26 pm -      #83

    @Mack at #81

    That day hasn’t happened yet.
    In any case, at least its not Tenchi Masaki(Original!-timeline incarnations, obviously no Kami form!) vs Luke Skywalker at work, I can’t tell whether to be appeased as the Joker or the Green Goblin on such a fight or to feel something’s very wrong.


    *This fight*

    Its very likely someone has a case of ‘No Wai, Dis Iz Uh Kool Fyte, Wai Nu Wun Suhjusted ut Yut?’ at work when the fight was posted or something. :|’

  84. mack006 September 12, 2013 at 7:35 pm -      #84

    Today IS Friday the 13th!!!
    It says on my calander and everything.
    What country do you live in?

  85. Amm0vamp1r3 September 12, 2013 at 7:37 pm -      #85

    yea im about to say you too may be in two separate time zones

    but yea happy Friday the 13th (which is tomorrow for me)

  86. Commander Cross September 12, 2013 at 7:37 pm -      #86

    @Mack at #84

    The United States, Friday hasn’t arrived yet where I live.

    My points on post #83 still stand, and if we want to go with Swordsmanship bouts between Link and Rand, TP or WW/PH Link vs Rand are all I got in Pure Swordsmanship alone.
    At least in terms of Links I know best, LttP/Oracles/LA Link might surprise me though.

  87. Aelfinn September 12, 2013 at 7:53 pm -      #87

    This was composite Link, though, who has the multitude of Hax things that make him dangerous to fight.

  88. Amm0vamp1r3 September 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm -      #88

    Wouldn’t balefire make all of his Haxiest hax moot though.

  89. Commander Cross September 12, 2013 at 8:08 pm -      #89

    @Councilor Aelfinn at #87

    Or Total Composite Link if you wanna be more formal, right?

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