Chaos Gods Vs Q Continuum Vs Celestials

Chaos Gods (Warhammer 40K) Vs Q Continuum (Star Trek) Vs The Celestials (Marvel)

So, here we have a smackdown between the ‘Gods’ of the Warhammer 40K, Star Trek and Marvel universes.

I think it’d be very hard to predict who would win – and for this match the Gods are fighting each other, no help from any of their ‘Champions’…

So, who would win?

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167 Comments on "Chaos Gods Vs Q Continuum Vs Celestials"

  1. AlphaCommando January 16, 2009 at 10:52 am -      #1

    Now this is a battle!

    I really have no clue where to start, so I’ll let some people lead off. However; I think that if the 4 Chaos gods got over their petty squabbling and actually attempted to work together then you would have something nigh unstoppable.

  2. Matapiojo January 16, 2009 at 11:30 am -      #2

    I uumm……….well……….I………..

    I dont know which way to go. I know a fair bit about the Chaos Gods and a bit on the Celestials, but my knowledge of the Q Continuum is limited. I’ll allow others to enlighten me on this matter for the time being.

  3. flyboy51 January 16, 2009 at 12:26 pm -      #3

    Damn….i have no clue. I think i might go with the Celestials…not sure tho.

  4. Marche January 16, 2009 at 5:06 pm -      #4

    this is an awesome battle,that will most likely be felt across dimensions.

  5. Locutus January 16, 2009 at 5:11 pm -      #5

    My vote is definitely for the Q Continuum.

  6. Space marine January 16, 2009 at 8:56 pm -      #6

    The Q Continuum is an extradimensional plane of existence inhabited by a race of beings known as the Q.

    As a race, the Q are apparently both nearly immortal and nearly omnipotent, possessing the ability of instantaneous matter-energy transformation and teleportation, as well as the ability of time travel. Their apparent abilities include moving entire asteroid belts and stars, creating alternate timelines, and affecting universal states of nature such as the gravitational constant. In fact, the only time a Q is seen as unable to do something is during a period where their powers are reduced or revoked by the Continuum. (TNG: “Deja Q”, “Tapestry”, “All Good Things…”)

    The Q claim to have always existed, with no explanation as to how they first came into existence. VOY: “The Q and the Grey”

    Based on descriptions by numerous Q, including the Q later known as Quinn, as well as Amanda Rogers (the child of two Q in Human form), the Q Continuum is a highly ordered society, but is also the result of eons of evolutionary stagnation. Because of their immortality, everything possible has been done, and their omniscience has become boring. As a result, Quinn, a respected philosopher in the Continuum, stated that he wished to die – because he had no further purpose in life. The Continuum, however, denied him this act because, it was claimed, extraordinary chaos would result from such an act – his influence among the Q was expected to make this act have unpredictable social consequences, which was, actually, exactly what Quinn believed to be necessary to end stagnation in the Continuum.

    Quinn was imprisoned on a rogue comet for eternity to prevent him from ending his own life, until he was accidentally released by the crew of the USS Voyager in 2372. In a courtroom hearing to determine his right to political asylum, Quinn described the Continuum as a lazy, old roadhouse along a deserted desert highway – he argued that the road could take them to anywhere in the universe, but the Q had already been everywhere. In addition, everything both Old and New had already been discussed, and so the roadhouse was silent – there was nothing left to say. Therefore, Quinn argued that being forced to remain alive was a continued burden to him, a burden that he did not want to continue to bear. Q argued that the death of a Q would create chaos in the Continuum. Voyager captain Kathryn Janeway ruled in Quinn’s favor, granting him asylum. A day later, Quinn committed suicide. (VOY: “Death Wish”)

    As a result of Quinn’s action, the Continuum was plunged into a massively destructive civil war that set the “Freedom Faction” against the traditional Q. The two factions were able to construct weapons that could even compromise the immortality of a Q. When these weapons were fired in the Continuum, this resulted in massive damage to subspace, causing some stars in normal space to go supernova. Eventually it damaged subspace to such an extent that Q outside of the Continuum lost their powers and immortality.

    Q had the idea of mating with Janeway to produce a being with the powers of a Q, but the morals of a Human in order to end the war. The crew of Voyager flew through a supernova into the Continuum with help from a female Q, who had lost her powers and could not return without Voyager’s help. Voyager’s crew quickly overpowered the Q by using Q weapons. A ceasefire was called. Q mated with the female Q instead of Janeway and the damage to subspace was restored, making the Q omnipotent and invincible again. (VOY: “The Q and the Grey”)

    Later on, the new Q became an intergalactic troublemaker. He started wars between innocent races, knocked planets out of orbit, detonated Omega molecules, and created havoc in every way he could. His mother disowned him, humiliated by his actions. Q, however, followed him, cleaning up all the damage.

    Under advice from Janeway, Q implemented punishment on the boy. Q dumped him on Voyager, and with the help of the “Q government” took away his powers. Junior, as he was called by his father, had one week to become a good citizen, or he would be sentenced to eternity as an Oprelian amoeba. Junior did well for the first few days, until he stole the Delta Flyer. After his friend Icheb was injured, however, he returned to Voyager. Janeway made him apologize to the ship he attacked, which was in fact Q, who masqueraded as a likely target to test his son’s attitude.

    When Judgment Day came, Junior was still found unworthy of being a Q, but was good enough to be a Human. After this sentence, Q threatened to leave the Continuum unless his son was allowed to stay. After further pleading, the Continuum agreed to grant the young Q’s powers back to him on the condition that his father act as his guardian and supervisor in perpetuum, or at least until he could prove himself worthy.

    There is the info you wanted mata.

    Now the Celestials

    The Celestials appear as completely silent, armored humanoids with an average height of 2,000 feet. As little is known regarding their appearance underneath the armor, it is possible that this may be their true form. The Eternal Ikaris believes the armor is simply a shell for beings of pure energy, so as to allow interaction with the physical world.

    The Celestials are among the most powerful physical entities in the universe. The highly evolved Cosmic Cube beings Kosmos and Kubik – beings who wield nearly incalculable energy, matter and reality manipulation powers – stated that a single Celestial possesses “power many orders of magnitude beyond our own”. [17] The Celestials were capable of reducing the Asgardian construct known as the Destroyer to slag even when the Destroyer was imbued with the life force of all the Asgardian gods (with the exception of Thor); [18] move planets at will;[19] and seal off entire universes.[20] Reed Richards theorized that the Celestials’ source of power is Hyperspace itself – the source of all energy in the Marvel Universe – a suggestion seemingly confirmed by the Invisible Woman’s ability to destroy Exitar’s physical form with her hyperspace-sourced force fields. [21] The Celestials have only been shown to be physically damaged in a handful of instances, most notably by Thor, the Invisible Woman, [22] and the Odinsword-wielding Destroyer. [23] The Celestials, however, are capable of instant regeneration from most injuries. According to the Dreaming Celestial itself, Celestials are possessed of such durability that they cannot truly be destroyed, even by other Celestials (finally providing an answer to the question of why the Celestial Host didn’t simply destroy the Dreaming Celestial instead of just imprisoning him).[24] Though this does not explain how the decapitated head of a Celestial (known as Knowhere) came to be, and why the unnamed Celestial did not survive.

    And Finally
    The Chaos Gods

    Khorne is the Chaos God of blood, hatred, violence and war. He acts outwardly by seeking the deaths of others, preferring close combat over ranged weaponry, and the only things he respects are strength and martial prowess. As such, he is completely opposed to the hedonistic Slaanesh, an inwardly acting god who seeks pleasure in every act and experience.

    Khorne is described as an extremely well-muscled, hundreds of feet tall beast-headed monster sitting on a brass throne atop a mountain of skulls and wielding a terrible sword. The skulls are described as belonging to both his victims and his worshippers alike, as Khorne cares not whose blood flows, as long as it flows. Khorne’s personal rune takes the shape of a stylised skull. Khorne’s sacred number is 8.

    In Warhammer Fantasy Battle, Khornate champions are usually seen dressed in red and brass and typically carry large axes, although other weapons such as swords and spears appear occasionally. The Khornate rune is typically displayed prominently on their armour. The warriors of Khorne throw themselves mindlessly into combat, eager to harvest more skulls for Khorne’s throne. They believe that a day without blood being spilled in Khorne’s name is a day wasted, and thus they often fight each other if there are no other foes to be found nearby. Khorne despises spellcasting as the weapon of cowards and weaklings and has no Sorcerers in his ranks.

    Tzeentch is described as the Chaos god of change and corruption, personified by change and magic. Opposed to the stagnant Nurgle, Tzeentch excels in subtle machinations and is patron to schemers and conspirators of all sorts.

    Tzeentch is sometimes pictured as a cloud of Magic that constantly changes colour, a huge bird with multicoloured feathers, or an impossible creature that constantly changes form. More so than any other Chaos god, he is associated with spectacular and varied mutations, and his Daemons are typically depicted in outlandish, ever-shifting shapes. Tzeentch’s personal rune looks like a stylised flame or serpent, usually blue in colour. Tzeentch’s sacred number is 9.

    In Warhammer Fantasy Battle, champions of Tzeentch are known especially for their powerful wizardly abilities, and often dressed in blues and golds. Of all the servants of the Dark Gods the followers of Tzeentch are the ones with the most bizarre mutations. Tzeentch takes much more interest in the world of mortals than his brother Gods and has a great number of highly influential cults in the societies of the mortal races. These are often founded by scholars, wizards or other such individuals who thirst for more knowledge or power.

    In Warhammer 40,000, the Thousand Sons Chaos Space Marine legion is dedicated to the worship of Tzeentch. Among them, Ahriman the sorcerer attempted to curtail the effect of his patron’s gifts of mutation to better preserve the legionnaires’ remaining humanity. While his spell did succeed in stopping the mutations and empowering the legion’s psykers, most of the marines who lacked psychic potential were rendered mindless automatons, entrapping and sealing their souls within their power armour and removing what lingering humanity they had left, leaving only a handful of dust. These ‘rubric’ marines are led into battle by the remaining sorcerers.

    Nurgle is the Chaos god of despair, personified by stagnation, entropy, disease and decay. He is the adversary of Tzeentch, whose dogma runs contrary to his.

    Nurgle is depicted as a large hulking figure covered in oozing sores and vivid marks of decay. His numerous Daemons all embody the same diseased aesthetic, from the powerful Great Unclean Ones to the gibbering hordes of tiny daemons known as Nurglings. Nurgle’s rune, a stylised depiction of a fly that resembles three circles adjacent to one another, bears a strong resemblance to the international biological hazard symbol. It is Nurgle who creates and lets loose the decay and disease that plagues mortals. Nurgle’s sacred number is 7.

    In Warhammer Fantasy Nurgle’s Champions are little more than bloated men whose armour can barely contain their swelling stomachs, which are full of corpse gases. This makes them very difficult to kill, an opposing general or soldier would have to literally chop him into pieces before he gives up on life. Their chosen weapon is the Death Scythe, but some tend to use rotten halberds, rusted morning-stars or flails. Some even have been blessed with one of Nurgle’s Plagueswords, weapons forged within Nurgle’s own forge and coated in the juices of one of Nurgle’s weeping sores.

    In Warhammer 40,000, Nurgle is revered especially by the Death Guard legion of Chaos Space Marines. Originally devoted servants of the Emperor, they fell to the worship of Chaos following a cataclysmic plague that threatened their very survival. In desperation, they turned to Nurgle for succour, and became his most devoted servants, the Plague Marines. A favoured weapon of Nurgle is the ‘Plaguesword’, that causes anything it touches to rot and decay.

    Slaanesh is the Chaos god of desire. A sensuous, hermaphroditic deity associated with hedonism and decadence, he is known by many colourful names such as The Dark Prince, The Prince of Excess and The Feaster of Pain. Those who yield to temptation become his slaves. Slaanesh’s followers revel in sensory excess, luxuriating in the varied pleasures of warfare, perversion, and the arts. The arch enemy of Slaanesh is the Chaos God Khorne whose mindless slaughter and war is an affront to the Lord of Pleasure’s fine arts and emotions.

    Slaanesh is said to be able to choose which whether he will appear as a God or a Goddess. He is often depicted as a colossus which is male on one half and female on the other. Of all the Ruinous Powers, only he is said to be divinely beautiful. Slaanesh’s devotees and Daemons reflect the androgynous beauty and grace of their Lord, as well as his hedonistic nature. Slaanesh’s personal rune is a mixture between the two gender symbols. It is known by many adoring names. Slaanesh’s sacred number is 6.

    In Warhammer Fantasy Battles the followers of Slaanesh regard their God as not just their Lord, but also their Lover. They take immense pride in the mutations bestowed upon them by their Master and create great monuments and splendid works in gratitude. In battle, they differ very much from the followers of the other Gods; instead of just mindlessly hacking down their foes, the devotees of Slaanesh kill their opponents in the most vile and tormenting ways. They capture lots of prisoners who they torture for days after battle to satisfy their dark souls. These inhuman warriors fear nothing on the battle field, for to die or be defeated would just be a new and exciting experience for them. Even in the lands of the civilised south, Slaanesh is widely worshipped in hidden cults made up of bored citizens and nobles, or people who strive for popularity or respect.

    In Warhammer 40,000 Slaanesh is the youngest of the Chaos Gods, given life at the Fall of the Eldar. His birth ripped the hole between dimensions known as the Eye of Terror. Slaanesh’s primary followers come out of the Emperor’s Children legion. Weaponry unique to Slaaneshi marines includes sonic blasters that are tuned to blow apart flesh, Blastmasters, amplified to destroy heavily armoured units, and Doom Sirens, which amplify the voices of their wearers to destructive levels.

    Done.

  7. L-W January 16, 2009 at 10:39 pm -      #7

    You could have at least altered or parapahsed a bit and pretend some of it was your own information; and not a direct copy and paste from a wiki entry.

  8. Space marine January 17, 2009 at 6:27 am -      #8

    No, I’m not going to take credit for someone else’s work thankyou very much.

  9. L-W January 17, 2009 at 8:30 am -      #9

    Yeah, that’s called citation and referencing, since you’ve technically already plagiarized the information you may as well at least have taken some time to paraphrase the content and attain some moral stature over the use of authored content.

    I don’t expect children to understand copyright law, as it most likely does not apply here (Unless the admin was contacted and by the author or copyright holder and told to remove it), but you could have at least appeared somewhat intelligent by either providing some blanket research with the use of citations, or by divulging your sources in a form other than a blatant copy and paste that took no skill or comprehension whatsoever.

    It’s sad irony that in your attempt to not take credit for another persons work, you inadvertently did the opposite. But as I said, I don’t expect children to understand the ramifications of moral infringement; and can only ever hope for a flippant response in future concerning such matters.

  10. TL January 17, 2009 at 9:04 am -      #10

    Hmm, I thought I originally included the C’tans as well in this battle on the side of the Chaos Gods… but never mind. This battle is awesome enough without adding more carnage to it.

    The only faction I truly know anything about in this match are the Celestials.

    I just have one question:

    Can the Chaos Gods or the Q Continuum be deprived of their powers or destroyed either directly or indirectly?

  11. Sharagran January 17, 2009 at 9:58 am -      #11

    I do not know much about the Q, but the Chaos Gods will only be deprived of their power once all species capable of having emotions are destroyed. And that isn’t going to happen any time soon.

    Otherwise they can only be killed by other Warp Gods, such as the Emperor of Mankind when he was still at full power, and the prophecized Eldar God of Death, Ynnead.

  12. Space marine January 17, 2009 at 11:07 am -      #12

    “but you could have at least appeared somewhat intelligent by either providing some blanket research with the use of citations, or by divulging your sources in a form other than a blatant copy and paste that took no skill or comprehension whatsoever.”

    Why must you Make-out that Everyone Is stupid?
    Honestly….

    “plagiarized”
    Doesn’t that term Mean Cheating….If so, How can I possibly Cheat, And anyway, Matapiojo wanted the Info, So why can I not give it to him?

    In fact, I hate discussions In which No-one has Info on Half the combatants…..

    You can be an @ss sometimes.

    “I don’t expect children to understand the ramifications of moral infringement”

    What was Immoral about it?

    I hope a N!gga steals your Yoshi.

  13. marche January 17, 2009 at 12:14 pm -      #13

    actually plagiarism is described in the webster online dictionary as
    “to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one’s own”
    so because you stated something without a source,it might be seen as plagiarism.

  14. L-W January 17, 2009 at 7:27 pm -      #14

    Exactly Diana. Not only is it moral plagiarism (Look up moral rights under copyright infringement law), it is just really unnecessary to fill up several pages worth of material when a few simply hyperlinks to such sources could suffice in place.

    Matapiojo is smart enough to ascertain his own research without such a fruitless waste of space, he can evaluate his own opinions and his own ideas from his own findings.

  15. Space marine January 17, 2009 at 9:17 pm -      #15

    Well I don’t like using hyperlinks because Most of the time, Somehow mine don’t work.

    I’m just gonna leave this thread.

  16. The One Sin January 18, 2009 at 2:05 pm -      #16

    “Well I don’t like using hyperlinks because Most of the time, Somehow mine don’t work.”

    I’m not picking sides or anything, but when I copy stuff I copy the url and that gets the job done.

  17. marche January 18, 2009 at 5:33 pm -      #17

    anyone care to get back on topic?

  18. AlphaCommando January 18, 2009 at 5:57 pm -      #18

    Guys, can we get back to the argument at hand?…I’m still totally stuck on who would win this.

  19. Matapiojo January 19, 2009 at 1:27 am -      #19

    I’ve been staring at this match for quite some time. I am still on the same boat as Alpha is. Tho I am not certain on the victor yet, I think (much to my regret because I am a fan) the Celestials would be the first casualty.

    As powerful as these beings are, and make no mistake, they are VERY powerful, they are still just shy of omnipotence. In all essence, they are just massively powerful aliens.

    While the Q are not that much more different in principle, their powers over reality far surpass the Celestials.

    As for the Chaos Gods vs the Q…

    I dunno.

  20. SteelFury January 19, 2009 at 8:48 pm -      #20

    I was going to say that the Q could just go back in time and destroy all sentient beings, but that wouldn’t work, since they would never have evloved from there own non exisctent species. But couldn’t they go back in time and destroy the old ones, thereby making it imossible for humanity and the other old one created races, therby never turning the dwellers of the warp into the deamons of chaos.

    so in my opinon (of which I am sure to get bitchslaped for), it all comes down to wether or not the Q can defeat the old ones.

  21. TL January 20, 2009 at 8:44 am -      #21

    I’m going with the Celestials. My reason is:

    Mad James Jaspers (Earth-238)

  22. Matapiojo January 22, 2009 at 11:29 am -      #22

    Looks like this is still pretty much a stalemate, eh?

    Well here it is. I say the Q wins.

    They are similar in priciple as the Celestials, but still have an edge over the giants. The Chaos Gods are terrible, but they have a flaw the other dont. The Chaos Gods need sentient life in the universe to exist, something the other two are capable of exterminating at a whim.

  23. Space marine January 22, 2009 at 8:04 pm -      #23

    The Q continuum are sentient life.

    I vote for Chaos.

    Could Chaos hide Their troops in the Mealstorm so the Q coudn’t Know that the troops Existed?

  24. Jwlynas January 26, 2009 at 6:00 am -      #24

    The Chaos Gods powers are, theoretically at least, reliant on sentient life. The Q have no such limitation.

    The celestials again have limitations, in that they can be hurt/damaged, even if its by very specific stuff.

    Much as I’m usually all for Chaos defeating all without a second glance, in theory at least the Q have the abilty to pull this off.

    On the other hand, if we presume they all have a set amount of power for a moment, Khorne has a sword that can kill other Gods and, if unleashed fully, would tear the universe asunder.

    The Q collective have…what, Picard?

  25. Matapiojo January 26, 2009 at 8:50 am -      #25

    “The Q continuum are sentient life.

    I vote for Chaos.

    Could Chaos hide Their troops in the Mealstorm so the Q coudn’t Know that the troops Existed?”

    First, a fight of this magnitude will hardly need “troops”. The Chaos Gods only use those in 40k to suit their purpose within that universe, to cause turmail and mayhem. The Q, or the Celestials could simply ignore such things as troops in the material realm (or the warp for that matter).

    While they are indeed sentient life, at least at one point, their emotions would hardly be enough to feed the Gods should they wipe the other sentient life in the universe. I think they still have the upper hand to win.

  26. x on January 28, 2009 at 3:54 pm -      #26

    im gunning for chaos

  27. Naki February 8, 2009 at 3:17 pm -      #27

    Well, though i dont have all the info. I would go for Q, I dont know how many Celestials there are. But from what I’m hearing, at the very least a 1v1 the Q could hold their own, and they outnumber the Chaos gods i do believe, probably the celestials too. Still none of this is fact, only my Opinion or guess o.o

  28. Skrunks March 9, 2009 at 9:32 pm -      #28

    My vote is for the Q simply because of their nature. They’re capable of dimension hopping and time travel, and have ‘Done Everything’. Not only that, but with the Q knowledge of everything, they designed weapons that can kill each other. If one Q shot can terminate an immortal, how can the Chaos Gods survive? Even the Q emotions are radically altered then humans. When Q was reduced to human, he discussed feeling human emotion and how they were over-rated. I believe every time we have seen a Q, the emotions they display aren’t thier own, but merely a manifestation meant for them to interact with a lesser species, just as the Continuum was reduced to manifestation that humans can comprehend. I don’t think the Chaos Gods could ‘feed’ off of the Q like that.

    Not only that, but the Q are interdiminsional beings not limited to a single reality. Would it be beyond their power to simply collapse the warp? Or what classifies defeat? If closing the Eye of Terror and sealing the Chaos Gods in the Warp (or perhaps a pocket dimension deprived all sentient life) counts as victory, then undoubtedly the Q hold that win card.

  29. Typhusss June 24, 2009 at 7:11 am -      #29

    Lets look at it from this perspective the chaos gods in essense live for nothing more than battle and war especially khorne im not saying that they dont have alterior motives and agendas but this is what they find there niche this is what they where made to do. Now i dont know much about the Q or the celestials but let me leave it for this is there prime urge WAR.

  30. joe thompson August 5, 2009 at 10:47 pm -      #30

    So, here we have a smackdown between the ‘Gods’ of the Warhammer 40K, Star Trek and Marvel universes.

    I think it’d be very hard to predict who would win – and for this match the Gods are fighting each other, no help from any of their ‘Champions’
    I think they’d all get drunk and skip this Wizard spawned crap.Only someone with a 3 year old mentality would give a crap about this

  31. Tim September 8, 2009 at 3:49 pm -      #31

    The Chaos Gods are out of this fight immediatly they are no match for the Q especially if the Q wiped out all sentient life. I don’t know enough about the Celestials though to say if the Q could beat them.

  32. Sergey September 24, 2009 at 3:57 am -      #32

    Q go down fast, why? They have been intimidated before from simple things like Guinan AKA Q equivalent. So he has his equals. Plus the Q always try to stop events the hard way, suggesting they can’t always use their powers to auto win. So in short it goes Celestials > Chaos Gods > Q

  33. Tom October 21, 2009 at 7:18 pm -      #33

    I guess they’ll have to line up and slap their Deus Ex Machinae on the table.

    I wonder if Q will say, ‘Hey look… mine’s bigger!’

  34. evolvedreader March 4, 2010 at 8:01 pm -      #34

    dude the chaos gods are gonna own them. the whole “Q” lore is kinda tarded, against hte might off all the chaos gods they would get curbstomped. the celestials vs the chaos gods would be a good fight but in the end the win is going to the chaos gods. the celestials are basically weaker versions of the ctan and i personally think that the chaos gods are as strong as they are if not stronger.

  35. michael May 23, 2010 at 12:00 am -      #35

    Chaos Gods, they have the Warp, where, as pointed above, they could hide infinite number of people (I belive the Codex line is “The Warp is a realm of impossible and contradictions”) If you were to wipe out all sentient life, Chaos Gods wouldn’t die… look at Fantasy, Chaos Gods, Necrons succeeded ONCE in cleansing the universe, and look, at least 40,000 years later, there are STILL chaos gods…

    NERD RAGE:wiki needs to change something, if Khorne was Slannesh’s arch enemy, then why would all of his “Deamon Gifts” fight Tzenntch? in 40k, Khorne’s Gift of the Blood God, you save on a 2+ versus Force, OR PSYCHIC, if you were against the who uses high initiative, Khorne hates SORCERY, Slannesh should hate Nurgle.

  36. Sergey May 23, 2010 at 12:28 am -      #36

    Oh for fucks sake, Celestials beat them all. Chaos Gods would be skyfather level at best, and the Celestials scared Skyfather level beings by threatening to seal their dimension from the rest of the universe.

  37. michael May 23, 2010 at 12:32 am -      #37

    You can’t seal off the Warp, it would be like sealing off Slip Stream from Halo.

  38. Sergey May 23, 2010 at 12:44 am -      #38

    Yes you can! Fuck, it’s the thing the Necrons are trying to do, and they are actually progressing. Do you know anything about Marvel or W40k?

  39. michael May 23, 2010 at 12:54 am -      #39

    40k? yes i do, the necrons have succeded in there quest once, and the Dark Gods came back stronger. and yes, i know about marvel. and honestly, i probably know more about w40k than you, lets face it, you can’t beat chaos gods, because if you decapitate anything, that means khorne wins, if you change something, tzeentch wins, if anything dies, Nurgle wins, if anyone masturbates, slannesh wins

  40. michael May 23, 2010 at 12:55 am -      #40

    And if the necrons cut off the chaos Gods, why are they around? or did the necrons just give up?

  41. michael May 23, 2010 at 12:58 am -      #41

    and should they somehow do it, then you’ve still got Chaos Space Marines…

  42. Pies May 23, 2010 at 2:28 am -      #42

    They [the necrons] haven’t succeeded yet, and haven’t made any progress since the War in Heaven.

    Celestials most likely win, due to universe sealing properties, but the Warp may be immune to that with how weird and rule breaking it is.

  43. Zazax May 23, 2010 at 4:46 am -      #43

    Wouldn’t the whole fact that they’re all fighting just make Khorne increasingly powerful? I was under the impression that the Chaos Gods no longer required sentient life to sustain them, only to increase their power (although I ‘m probably wrong about that, now that I think of it)

    Also, I argue that even if the Q or the Celestials beat the other two factions into a gory paste, it will have all been part of Tzeench’s plan from the beginning, and he’d still somehow win (don’t ask me how. Tzeench just rolls like that).

    On a more serious note, would any of the Chaos Gods be able to corrupt either the Q or Celestials? I think this would be an important factor in this fight, as that’s how all but Khorne seem to like to operate. Would the Q and Celestial’s attempts to defeat the Chaos Gods empower Khorne? Would any attempts to wipe out all sentient life empower Nurgle? Would Slaanesh be able to tempt them (and are either of them vulnerable to disease or decay of any kind)? Would this have all been part of Tzeench’s plan from the get-go? I honestly don’t know, since I know way, way more about the Chaos Gods than either of the other two, and I’m genuinely curious.

    Also, to anyone underestimating the Chaos Gods, remember that Slaanesh was able to destroy of the entire Eldar pantheon (with three exceptions) single-handedly, as well as overcome Khaine (the Eldar god of war, who could not be defeated in battle). And Slaanesh is arguably the weakest of the four. Certainly he’s worse in a straight-up fight than Khorne. Chaos has its own experience with deity-level beings.

  44. Zazax May 23, 2010 at 4:48 am -      #44

    hmm, sorry for the double post, but I misplaced my question about the Q and Celestials being vulnerable to disease or decay. Should be mentioned after Nurgle, not Slaanesh. Added it in after the fact.

  45. michael May 23, 2010 at 7:31 am -      #45

    40k is based in our universe, so if you sealed off the warp, you would have to also destroy all the web ways, which would cause you to also have to kill the Eldar, and IoM would fight, because that is the only way they can survive is through the warp.

  46. Tass May 27, 2010 at 5:19 am -      #46

    Hmm if the Q just destroy the warp beside they have been known to accidentally destroy galaxies(or was it a universe)….with thier knowledge and powers they can do that easily the warp….but what happen next to the universe well thats another question…they might beat all 40k and celestial with ease but problem is if they do what is gonna happen to our universe if they do.

  47. michael May 27, 2010 at 3:17 pm -      #47

    You can destroy a galaxy, but tzenntch will know of it before you do it, no one can gaze into the Void without becoming insane (Navigators don’t see the warp, just an interpretation) The Void or Warp is a realm of impossibilities and contradictions. It is full of colors, yet completely colorless, It is without size or shape, yet restricted and small. To use knowledge to destroy something like the Warp is impossible, there is no logic, rhyme, or reason to it, it is Chaos, pure and simple, it can not be controlled.

  48. Sergey May 27, 2010 at 3:55 pm -      #48

    Michael, you’re a fucking idiot. The Chaos Gods aren’t even Skyfather level, and Celestials TOY with them.

  49. Inarto May 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm -      #49

    How about you back up your claims Sergey instead of just spouting profanity? GIve an example of the celestials sealing off an entire dimension for example

  50. Sergey May 27, 2010 at 5:25 pm -      #50

    When battling in Asgard, the Asgardians used the Destroyer to attack a Celestial, and the small wound disappeared in short time. The Celestials threatened to close off Asgard from the rest of existence. Also, you lied about an Exterminatus destroying a planet, so why should I listen to you?

  51. Inarto May 27, 2010 at 5:36 pm -      #51

    “The Celestials threatened to close off Asgard from the rest of existence” SO they never actually did it? They could have been bluffing
    “Also, you lied about an Exterminatus destroying a planet, so why should I listen to you?” You lied about the output of a hive defense laser so why should I listen to you?
    And once again you are guilty of poisoning the well which is against site rules. Good job

  52. Sergey May 27, 2010 at 6:55 pm -      #52

    Well, comparing destroying a planet to different yields is not the same. An Exterminatus is INCAPABLE of destroying a planet, some yields in W40k ships are hundreds of megatons (15 km mushroom cloud?).

  53. Inarto May 27, 2010 at 8:27 pm -      #53

    And there are some yields in star wars ships that are in single digit megatons. Whoopdee fucking doo. What does this have to do with the celestials exactly?

  54. Locutus May 27, 2010 at 8:54 pm -      #54

    “An Exterminatus is INCAPABLE of destroying a planet”

    Two-stage Cyclonic Torpedoes are known to blow planets to pieces. So you’re wrong about that. This has absolutely nothing to do with this debate.

  55. Sergey May 27, 2010 at 9:27 pm -      #55

    He said that the Dark Templar homeworld was destroyed by an Exterminatus. That is a LIE. It was destroyed by DAEMONS you liar.

  56. Inarto May 27, 2010 at 9:30 pm -      #56

    I never said that and its Dark Angels. Your just trying to try and invalidate what I say by bringing up unrelated stiuff. Now how about you adress your claim that the Celestials beat both Q and Chaos?

  57. Sergey May 27, 2010 at 9:41 pm -      #57

    Let’s see, supernova powers beat Q, Chaos Gods are threatened by Necrons… yeah… plus, Cosmic Cubes are weaker than Celestials, and 6 of them could beat Eternity; master of the universe.

  58. michael May 28, 2010 at 12:10 am -      #58

    “When battling in Asgard, the Asgardians used the Destroyer to attack a Celestial, and the small wound disappeared in short time” So they were injured… Khorne’s greatest Bloodthirster was tricked by Tzeentch to strike out, he build up enough rage and to quote “Struck with enough might to destroy an entire army, but it was only enough to open up a small chink, With a rage that made Skarbrand’s (the bloodthirster) own rage seem meek, Khorne chocked him, until all vestige of emotion were gone, then hurled him from his fortress with an oath, and for (not sure on exact time) blazed through the warp as a bright light”

    “He said that the Dark Templar homeworld was destroyed by an Exterminatus. That is a LIE. It was destroyed by DAEMONS you liar.” And isn’t this discussion over deamons? in 40k, a Deamon is just a small fraction of a God’s will.

    “Chaos Gods are threatened by Necrons…” not really, according to game lore, the Necrons have succeeded in the cleansing of the universe once before, and the Chaos Gods have existed since fantasy, (where there were no necrons) and up to 40k, so somewhere in there, the necrons destroyed all sentient life… yet somehow, chaos has survived.

    Sky-Father isn’t that impressive, Norse mythology is sadly lacking, Greek is full of culture, but lacking in other ways.

    The power source is the same, Hyperspace is their source of power, While Chaos Gods use the Warp. The forces are marched quite evenly, its a matter of proving that they AREN’T is the problem.

    Its like the Third law of motion “For every action there is an equal, but opposite, reaction. For every argument you field, 40k can field 2 answers.

  59. Locutus May 28, 2010 at 9:31 am -      #59

    “the Chaos Gods have existed since fantasy, (where there were no necrons) and up to 40k”

    Just want to point out that Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k are both separate universes. Fantasy is not 40k’s past.

  60. michael May 28, 2010 at 3:08 pm -      #60

    Then that means that the Chaos Gods exist in multiple universes, proving you can’t cut em off from the rest of the world!

  61. Warboss Rokgutz May 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm -      #61

    “Then that means that the Chaos Gods exist in multiple universes, proving you can’t cut em off from the rest of the world!”
    Even if Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k exist at the same time, the Chaos Gods undeniably get most of their power from the 40k universe, which is a galaxy-spanning orgy of bloodshed and devastation, rather than a single planets worth. If the Chaos Gods were isolated from the 40k universe, they’d probably starve, since the Warhammer Fantasy universe lacks a sufficient supply of souls for them to feed on for very long.

  62. Inarto May 29, 2010 at 12:55 pm -      #62

    Actually they are self sufficent according to the new daemon codex.
    “Let’s see, supernova powers beat Q, Chaos Gods are threatened by Necrons… yeah… plus, Cosmic Cubes are weaker than Celestials, and 6 of them could beat Eternity; master of the universe.”
    Define threaten Sergey. The necrons have a plan true but the chaos powers have made no move to actually step in and directly attack the forces of the necrons like they did with the emperor. Also there have been cases of mere human psykers penetarting the aura of a blank suggesting it can be worn down if you apply enough pressure. Where is your proof that they Celestials are more powerful than the cosmic cubes?

  63. michael May 29, 2010 at 11:56 pm -      #63

    Wow, that argument is way better than what i was going to say, I was going to point out that Chaos is fueled by emotions, so in order to seal them off, you have to stop ALL emotions, so you must kill all life, meaning necrons would win (and they’re not part of this debate)

  64. Locutus May 30, 2010 at 12:25 am -      #64

    “Chaos Gods are threatened by Necrons… yeah…”

    No, they are possibly threatened by the physics raping C’tan gods. The Necrons are only puppets of the C’tan.

  65. Zazax May 30, 2010 at 5:31 am -      #65

    I always thought it was that the C’tan were threatened by the Warp (and by extension, the Chaos Gods) since Warp weaponry was one of the few things that could actually harm them, rather than the Chaos Gods being threatened by the C’tan. Or am I just mixed up here? I’ve never heard of the Chaos Gods being anywhere near threatened by anything except maybe (and only maybe) the Emperor or the concept of Y’nnead.

  66. Whacko May 30, 2010 at 6:23 am -      #66

    The C’Tan are vulnerable to the Warp, and that is why they are dangerous to the CG, they begun a project to separate Warpspace and Realspace altogether. By such, there would be no magic, and the Star Gods would easily take the universe.

  67. Grand Papa Typhus June 20, 2010 at 8:35 pm -      #67

    I vote the Q… Love those hats

  68. Hawkeye July 7, 2010 at 6:09 pm -      #68

    Uh, the Q are immune to the powers of supernovae. That was the side-effect of their weapons. Which were being fired in the Q continuum, not “realspace”. That’s right. The supernovae were merely a side-effect.

  69. starsteam July 7, 2010 at 6:45 pm -      #69

    Dude, wtf is up with no one fucking reading the past comments…..

  70. Neutrality September 16, 2010 at 9:21 pm -      #70

    wait-if the chaos gods gain power from sentient beings-and the Q are sentient-wouldn’t that just super charge their power?

    oh well- isn’t this taking place on a neutral battlefield? no warp, no continuum etc?

    if it’s in a neutral field with just the gods i’d say the Q- but i don’t know that much about the celestials powers in neutral space-or if the chaos gods are vulnerable outside the warp…
    can someone clarify?

  71. fisherking September 19, 2010 at 5:50 pm -      #71

    I’m saying the chaos gods win this one. Here is an excerpt from page 6 of the daemon’s of chaos codex.

    “In the Realm of Chaos there are no physical laws akin to those that dominate the mortal world. Within its confines dreams become real, and reality is reborn as fevered hallucination. Gravity, shape, space and reason – all are in flux, utterly mutable to the will of the Chaos Gods. Few mortals are a capable of perceiving the Realm of Chaos in its true splendor, for the living mind recoils from such otherworldly landscapes. For this reason, no two visions of the Realm of Chaos are alike, as the mind attempts to hid the impossible with fragments stolen from memory. The Realm of Chaos is a place of dream and nightmares, where cause need not follow effect, and within its bounds anything is possible.”

    The other two combatants, the Q and celestials, are powerful because they manipulate the material universe. If there in a place where the laws of physics hold no sway they can’t possibly win. The chaos gods would never be fighting anywhere other than the warp because they are the warp and bring it with them wherever they go. If there in a realm where they have absolute no hold over, and the chaos gods are the absolute masters of the realm I don’t see them surviving a confrontation with the chaos gods.

  72. shas'o'lol October 4, 2010 at 1:08 pm -      #72

    You all forget 1 thing. There arent 4chaos gods. There is a chaos god for every emotion. Khorne and his 3 bros are just the top dogs in the warp but in no way the only gods in the warp(e.g if you go to wikipeida it already mention about 4-5 other major gods)

  73. Belisaurius October 4, 2010 at 1:29 pm -      #73

    Between the Qs and Chaos, I’d have to give it to chaos. Simply put, the continuum is boring, really really boring. Chaos is, if anything, entertaining. Just look at Slaanesh, orgies every other day, torture sessions every three, and any day not spend on either or both is spend going to war. (by no means cannon)

    @L-W

    Dude, chill. It’s only illegal if someone takes credit for it. You’re becoming an asshole at the rate you harp on people. Which is a shame since you are one of the most intelligent individuals on the site.

  74. EMOboy October 4, 2010 at 2:34 pm -      #74

    The Q literally have no limits on any level of reality apart from larger numbers of other Q, they cannot even die without either assistance from another Q (either by direct fighting or by another Q or group of Q turning them mortal).

    A celestial has been wounded by a non celestial and we have a example of a beheaded celestial.

    The chaos gods seem powerful but i seem to remember them being reliant on mortal races and as such the Q can remove all mortal races from every level of existance with a snap of the fingers.

  75. orber October 4, 2010 at 3:06 pm -      #75

    *The chaos gods seem powerful but i seem to remember them being reliant on mortal races and as such the Q can remove all mortal races from every level of existance with a snap of the fingers.*

    That info is outdated.The Chaos gods have become self sustaining, however the emotions of mortals goes on with making the chaos gods stronger and stronger

  76. Sparda3b October 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm -      #76

    OK I just have a question about the Chaos Gods because I know of them but not down to the deepest detail. Is the God/Emperor of the Imperium at his fullest ability a threat to them at least individually?

  77. Matapiojo October 4, 2010 at 4:49 pm -      #77

    “Is the God/Emperor of the Imperium at his fullest ability a threat to them at least individually?”

    We don’t know. What is known is that he is sufficiently strong to keep the membrane that separates the materium from the warp fairly stable, but that’s as far as we know. There is no real telling how powerful the Gods really are.

  78. orber October 4, 2010 at 5:11 pm -      #78

    @sparda

    That is currently 1 of the bigger discussions amongst 40K fans.

    Some people believe that the chaos gods have a physical incarnation and when the chaos gods fight amongst eachother they are literly punching uppercutting and kicking eachother physicly in the face.

    Some people believe they are swirling vortexes of powerfull warp energy and that there incarnations come in the form of deamons and when the gods fight amongst eachother it is in a more subtle way like depraving eachother of followers and/or blasting eachother with warp powers somehow.

    The chaos gods “feared”the emperor not because of his physical and mental powers…but the fact that the emperor had the power to deprive the chaos gods from worshippers and at that time, would have been the somewhat the end of the chaos gods.

    People believe that the chaos gods can’t be defeated because aslong as people feel anger lust and desperation there will be chaos gods feeding upon these emotions.

    Even then like Mata said there is no really telling how powerfull they are.Sure the emperor is keeping them at bay…but what if this is only the result of the chaos gods not giving a damn?The chaos gods might simply put all their power together and focus fire on the emperor and end his exsistance and drown the galaxy in warpfire and torment.But that would mean that all the delicious wars going on would end.And war is a good source that causes the widest ranges of emotions in people from anger and fear to joy and desperation.

  79. CIDE October 5, 2010 at 6:21 am -      #79

    @Orber:
    Wouldn’t that just be an observation with no proof to back it? About what’s holding the CG’s back?

    @fisherking:
    Wouldn’t that entail the battlefield be in favor of the CG’s and not neutral?

    @: Bellisaurisu
    So anything boring insta-loses?

    @Everyone
    All of them seem to have “nigh unlimited” levels of power. That makes it hard to really compare them. So, what about numbers? I could be mistaken but don’t CG’s have the fewest with Q having the highest number of members of their race?

  80. Matapiojo October 5, 2010 at 8:27 am -      #80

    @CIDE

    We don’t know what sort of numbers Chaos has at its disposal. There are four major powers, but these are not the only chaos entities in the Warp that can be called gods. Those four are only the strongest of their kind, and seemingly, the one that encompass larger mythos within the emotion spectrum. It is said that each emotion has at least one major daemon god attached to it.

    Now, I cannot recall where I read that particular entry. That said, there is at least one other chaos god who is powerful enough to be considered into this fight. Malice (aka Malal) is the chaos god of anarchy and terror. In fact, many believe it to be the TRUE god of chaos as it stands for chaos itself. He despises the “order” the four gods have established within their pantheons, and he is their main enemy within the Warp.

    One thing we need to consider about all of this (which comes into play about chaos’ numbers/power) is that the powers of chaos are constantly fighting one another. Even when their forces are allied to wage war on whatever front they may be, the gods continue to wage war amongst themselves. You can see how it is impossible to quantify the power of 4 (5) cosmic beings when they are constantly divided between matters in the material realm, immaterial realm, and fighting one another.

    Anyone ever tried playing an RTS on the computer (Khorne), while playing a game of chess against an equal rival (Tzeentch), while wrestling an equal rival (Nurgle), while having your senses overloaded inside a panic chamber (Slaanesh), while taking shots from a paintball gun (Malice)?

    Sounds kind of madening, doesnt it, or very limiting at the very least? And that is not even taking into account the matters these gods influence in the material realm and all other non-chaos entities with similarly vast powers (the emperor, the C’Tan, Gork and Mork, Khaine, etc). That’s just the struggle amongst themselves, and even then, they manage to be the strongest supernatural powers across the 40k universe. Spreading their influence at will even through the considerable imperial, necron, and eldar efforts to keep them contained in the Warp. Twisting and contorting matter itself to suit their needs according to their tenets, corrupting any who would feel their touch.

    Now imagine those guys not fighting amongst themselves anymore, or having any of those other issues bogging them down just to face these two enemies.

    Hell, by his very nature alone, anything the Q or the Celestials (two “enlightened mortal” races) do in this battle fuels Tzeentch in every way imaginable. Give power to The Changer of Ways by…well…CHANGING WAYS!…and you will have a very big foe to go against. Yes, that is only speculation on my part, but it certainly lies within the realm of possibility.

    Otherwise, you are correct. It is very difficult (if not impossible) to trully quantify this battle.

  81. CIDE October 5, 2010 at 10:23 pm -      #81

    I don’t really see how any side has a distinct advantage while taking place in a neutral universe EXCEPT numbers. Celestials of course seem to be the most vulnerable for one major reason: even non ‘gods’ have been able to kill them. The other two races–as far as I know–have not suffered the same kind of end at the hands of mortals.

    That said their durability is in question. They would of course be open to all kinds of attacks from both Q and CG’s. They’re out in my mind unless someone can bring up some other points in their favor.

    As for Q though they are just as unquantifiable as the CG’s. Regardless of tactics or technology used (laughable as it may be in ST) nothing’s been worth blinking at eye at.

    I do have a question for everyone though. I had read in the Xenosaga Vs 40k debate that once the CG have taken a physical form they can only hold it for so long, correct? Otherwise they’ll die or otherwise return to some kind of spiritual form. When in this spirit form do they still retain their powers to interact with the physical world?

    Honestly I’m wondering what exactly this neutral battlefield would be like. Q continuum and the CG’s little warp thing both work in their own favor. Yet if my assumptions based on the reading I did is true on the CG’s then being in a purely physical realm the CG’s would have a disadvantage.

    I don’t know.

  82. Matapiojo October 8, 2010 at 9:37 am -      #82

    Looks like my comment faded into the void. Onto the re-typing…

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    In the question of how these neutral universes. The way we do these is by bringing all the elements associated with the combatants in question into a single universe rather than give “home advantage” to one or more sides. In the case of this fight, CG come with their very own Warp, Celestials come with the slew of worlds they have tampered with, Q come with the parallel dimensions they’ve created, and so on.

    The rules of this fight in particular removes minions from the equation, but there are still a good amount of arguments to be made as to what might be considered to be “Champions”. That is mainly why the numbers would be hard to sort out. In the case of the Celestials, Eternals and Deviants are clearly not an extension of them. However, the same cannot be said for the CGs. While some entities such as Chaos Marines and elevated Daemon Princes might not be part of the fight, all other Daemonic entities are said to be extensions of their god rather than separate servants to him. I think Greater Daemons alone would be more than a match to most Celestials (perhaps with the exception of Tiamut).

    In regards to the physical form issue, I can’t say I have ever heard of that. This is mainly because the CGs do not come into the material realm. All I am aware of is instances where they push forth an avatar of themselves. Since the emperor’s golden throne, the eldar’s webway portals, and the necron pylons are actively blocking, distorting, or dissipating Warp energies into the material realm, the CGs have simply no real means to step into the materium in full. The mere fact that they are able to make themselves manifest despite all of these powerful blockages (and the stupid amounts of inner conflict I explained before) should be a testament to their power.

    As they are brought into this neutral universe without any inherent weaknesses, the CGs would have none of those elements blocking their influence over the material realm. The nature of how they would interact with the materium would just be speculation at its best. Perhaps they can manypulate it as freely and absolutely as they do the Warp, or maybe they would need to punch any number of holes similar to the Eye of Terror. I am leaning towards the former, but I couldn’t trully say. /shrug

    That said, I would have to read the refference of the statement that pointed to their physical limitations myself to be able to give a more informed opinion on that issue.

  83. EMOboy October 8, 2010 at 9:45 am -      #83

    If what they are saying in the other thread is true then one of these chaos gods best dose of the clap cannot effect a mortal life form in its own galaxy/universe.

    The Q could click its fingers and remove such beasties from existance.

  84. Matapiojo October 8, 2010 at 10:05 am -      #84

    First, what are you talking about? People really need to learn to cite their refferences propperly around here…

    Second, like I said, the debate there may not be taking into account the space-time distortions that block access from the Immaterium to the Materium. Said blockages are not in effect for these fights. Neither is their constant in-fighting.

    I think it is safe to assume the CGs have all the power they display in the Warp available to them

  85. CIDE October 8, 2010 at 5:25 pm -      #85

    I was unsure, Mata. It’s something brought up in the Xenosaga Vs 40k debate in reference to CG Vs Kosmos. It was brought up–with no one fighting it–that with her using one of her abilities to force spiritual entities into the physical realm would work on the CG’s. Beyond that it forces them to stay in the physical realm as well. At that point they would just expire as they could only survive so long after entering the physical realm.

    I agree though that even if it did work like that it should not for this debate. Fair playing ground for all. I was merely asking questions anyway.

    Beyond that though I did read up on some of the powers of CG and I honestly can say I can’t pick a winner between Q and them in terms of feats. Even the argument that “Because Q and die and CG’s have been shown not to Q aren’t really Omnipotent” works if the above statement is true about CG capable of death. Which is the reason I brought up the issue of numbers.

  86. Matapiojo October 12, 2010 at 8:20 am -      #86

    Yup, its a fairly tricky issue to resolve. Perhaps even impossible. It is nigh impossible for us to trully comprehend these beings let alone debate them propperly.

  87. Laeadern November 7, 2010 at 10:50 pm -      #87

    I’m voting Q here. They claim to have existed since time it self began and from what I’ve read thus far seem to be the most powerful of the bunch.

  88. michael December 21, 2010 at 9:35 pm -      #88

    To answer an earlier question, the Chaos Gods can NOT enter the physical universe. They are way to powerful, and if they somehow entered our realm, they would burn out, and return to the warp.

    (Wire Wolves/Daemon Princes, only on a larger scale)

    The CG CAN spew forth unlimited Deamons (If one dies, their essense rejoins with their patron god.) If that is beat back, you have to attack the Warp…

  89. CIDE December 22, 2010 at 6:51 pm -      #89

    “To answer an earlier question, the Chaos Gods can NOT enter the physical universe. They are way to powerful, and if they somehow entered our realm, they would burn out, and return to the warp.

    (Wire Wolves/Daemon Princes, only on a larger scale)

    The CG CAN spew forth unlimited Deamons (If one dies, their essense rejoins with their patron god.) If that is beat back, you have to attack the Warp…”

    Thinking about it with the whole neutral universe bit it’s likely that whatever plane of existence these guys are fighting in it allows them all to exist in a natural state. So no warp per se but they’d exist as they would there. And Q would exist as they do in the continuum. Etc. Just an opinion though.

  90. kaboang March 16, 2011 at 10:19 am -      #90

    Well problem with Q is he can practically do anything he wants including destroying the warp or just taking all of chaos gods power to him if he wants making them normal mortals thats how powerful Q is…or just reviving the Emperor of man and giving him a thousand times the power he once have .. and if u know Q he have powers to all sphere of existance as poorly written as he is …he is simply too powerful even for the chaos gods to comprehend. he could go to what ever existance he wants and destroy or create it if he wants too. that including the warp

  91. Matapiojo March 16, 2011 at 10:25 am -      #91

    “he is simply too powerful even for the chaos gods to comprehend.”

    That means absolutely nothing. This match was created and debated before the Codex: Chaos Daemons came out. In it, Tzeentch is claimed to be omnipotent (or the most powerful being in the cosmos) at least prior to the birth of his brothers.

    Since we remove PIS/CIS here, meaning that the Great Game is no longer in place, an if Tzeentch is in fact as omnipotent as he is claimed to be, he can counter all those feats. Omnipotence Vs Omnipotence equates to no one being Omnipotent and/or an eternal stalemate.

    This is a futile debate.

  92. kaboang March 16, 2011 at 10:51 am -      #92

    well that how they present Q in the star trek an omnipotent (destroying universe and creating new ones as easy as snapping a finger) not just he claim to be anyway i guess ur right this debate is quite futile

  93. Matapiojo March 16, 2011 at 11:14 am -      #93

    Actual feats > conjecture. I don’t dispute that in the least. However, there are just too many “blanks” in that equation to say either way with any finality.

    Even then, I want to make one thing clear. Powerful as they are, the fact that Q have the power to lawyer other Q means they are not Omnipotent by deffinition. Semantics in this sense, I know, but one that people need to propperly grasp.

  94. CIDE March 16, 2011 at 8:23 pm -      #94

    They are also capable of killing each other. They had a short and bloody civil war where they were in fact capable of ending each others lives.

    As for the lawyer bit that could have entirely been a kind of semantics.

    Either way, do we accept the claims of the character himself about being omnipotent?

  95. chuckforest July 23, 2011 at 3:28 pm -      #95

    At one point tzeentch was omnipotent or at least really close. He would pit the others against eachother, and when they are weak, crush them. it is also implied in the Chaos Daemons Codex that the gods and their daemons can sustain themselves by fighting amongst eachother.

    As I don’t have time to copy the whole page i will link you to this article on Lexicanum, it is accurate and is as close to a quote as you can get.

    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blue_Scribes

  96. CIDE July 23, 2011 at 9:31 pm -      #96

    Not sure that really helps unless there’s definitive proof of at least one being omnipotent. And the references to that are almost purposely ambiguous.

  97. chuckforest July 24, 2011 at 1:21 am -      #97

    Well “the master of all creation” and “almost destroying the universe” is pretty impressive.

  98. tau43 November 23, 2011 at 10:20 pm -      #98

    When you say gods of Chaos, is it just the Major 4 or 5 (Malal? In or excluded?). If so Chaos will probably lose to the Celestials. However if it is all of the Chaos Gods(Major & Minor/Patron gods) which number in the hundreds maybe thousands then Chaos will most definitely win over the others.
    So About Malal Yea or Nay?

  99. MrTBSC November 23, 2011 at 10:38 pm -      #99

    … celestials? marvel?
    one above all ?

    /thread …

  100. tau43 November 23, 2011 at 11:18 pm -      #100

    The “One Above All” verses 4 or 5 super Over Powerful badass Gods, plus hundreds of lesser, but very strong Gods how does that work out?

    Still no answer on Malal, Yea or Nay?

    And how would Princes, and common Daemons count since they’re not “Champions”?

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