Mario Vs Crash Vs Sonic Vs Spyro

Mario Vs Crash Bandicoot Vs Sonic the Hedgehog Vs Spyro

Here we have two old foes from the past matched with some newcomers. Mario and Sonic have been battling for years and Crash came along to make some noise. I have to say that I haven’t played anything with Spyro so I don’t have an opinion that would count in that regard.

For this match, all power-ups are available from from each character’s series.

Who would win?

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429 Comments on "Mario Vs Crash Vs Sonic Vs Spyro"

  1. Space marine January 11, 2009 at 7:41 am -      #1

    Mario wins….Either him or sonic.

  2. flyboy51 January 11, 2009 at 3:08 pm -      #2

    I think Spyro would be the first to go. As much as I like Crash, without the voodoo mask he wont last that long in this match. So its between Sonic and Mario…and I think im going to go with Sonic.

  3. Matapiojo January 14, 2009 at 11:41 am -      #3

    When considering the Hyper Sonic form, I find it hard to give this to anyone else.

  4. JoshMcFace January 15, 2009 at 3:22 pm -      #4

    Either…Mario jumps on every single one in a row, getting an awesome combo bonus.
    Crash spins round at a million miles an hour, firing wumpa fruit from his bazooka simultaneously, killing everyone who gets close.
    Sonic does his little ball thing, impaling everyone’s bodies.
    Spyro shoots fire whilst charging forward…and everyone dies :D

  5. jay January 17, 2009 at 8:52 pm -      #5

    who cares? how is this improtant. the characters arent even real they are a dumb made up funkin fariy tale game, you f#ck!

  6. Space marine January 17, 2009 at 9:47 pm -      #6

    “who cares? how is this improtant. the characters arent even real they are a dumb made up funkin fariy tale game, you f#ck!”
    We don’t care you freaking retard. We only State our opinions for the hell of it.

  7. marche January 18, 2009 at 12:13 am -      #7

    jay i got a question,why did you even come to this site?

  8. spoa January 18, 2009 at 11:35 pm -      #8

    if all power ups sonic becouse he would get the chaos emrolds… SO i think thats stupid so if there wernt any power ups mario from shere skill… not fire speed or a crazy spin can stop him…

  9. Zer0 January 26, 2009 at 11:03 pm -      #9

    Er jay go home and through you com out the window ( who cares) really??

    anyway all fanboy parts of me aside here is how it would happen
    frist to go Mario sry fans but he dosent bring much to the table at all unless you count his brawl ball move but even then not happening

    next to go Crash he is lucky he made it this far he can only spin for so long and his spin thing won’t really work on Spyro OR Sonic sry Death bt fire Spyro takes him out but at least he got Mario

    Next to go Yup if you know anything about any of these games you would know its SPYRO little guy put upa fight but sonic had the 7 servers of chaos so super Sonic with chaos control bye bye

    well with his super speed he can easly avoid most attacks and with the 7 servers of chaos there is just no way lol

  10. Zer0 January 26, 2009 at 11:07 pm -      #10

    P.S and this really bugs me Matapiojo there is no hyper sonic there is super sonic and hyper shadow unless you count the super servers of chaos in wich even Tails has a super form but sonic alone cant get them sooo sry.
    yup i am a huge sonic fan
    but thats not why i thought he won

  11. John February 1, 2009 at 8:40 am -      #11

    Well, I love Sonic and I love Mario, but I grew up playing Crash 1 and Spyro Year Of The Dragon, I think theyre all even, I mean, Sonic has the chaos emeralds, Mario has mushrooms that make him 247893894 ft. high, Crash can spin at 834 MPH hitting people at breakneck speed, and spyro breathes fire.

    MATCH START: 3.. 2….. 1… FIGHT! Sonic goes into a ball and kills spyro only later to be hit by marios fireball, then Crash and Mario Brawl For A Couple Hours And Eventuly give in.

    Now if we could only turn this into a flash animation………

  12. The Chosen One February 1, 2009 at 11:17 am -      #12

    First Id Like to thank Space marine for his remark to jay. I think mario would lose because as popular as mario is he is a really basic character he jumps on people all the other characters do a little bit more then that. I have no reason for my decision other then i think Crash would win.

  13. cyborg pirate ninja jesus February 17, 2009 at 2:25 am -      #13

    i agree mario is popular but not that strong i think that either spyro or sonic would win but probs sonic i dont no much about crash so i cant say anything bout him

    but sonics speed will probably be the winner but if he crashes into a wall and gets knocked out or sumthin like that id have to go for the dragon

  14. Anonymous February 20, 2009 at 12:27 am -      #14

    Don’t say Sonic would win because of Super Sonic. He would have to get all 7 Chaos Emeralds, and the other competitors could get them too. So a weird floating spiky ultra-powerful yellow Mario/Crash/Spyro could appear too.

  15. Cpt Olimar February 20, 2009 at 2:43 am -      #15

    Super Sonic is going to win easy… Hell, mario could beat spyro. Mario could theoretically kill crash and spyro with a starman. Sonic has not just invulnerability, but also flyin capabilities in super sonic, so even if mario had a flying cap too he still wouldn’t be able to touch sonic, let alone kill him. Sonic gets this easily.

    I think everyone’s favorite plumber comes in second though.

  16. roland s frigon February 28, 2009 at 12:40 pm -      #16

    spyro because he would use his crystal breath and crystalize everyone before anyone else could attack anyways

  17. Hamonlord March 6, 2009 at 6:13 pm -      #17

    I swear to God no other video game character can top the plumber and the hedgehog’s mascot status.

    After Mario takes down the two former sony characters with his super star and Sonic with his speedblitz, it becomes mario vs. sonic all over again.

  18. Albert Wikowonkavitz March 13, 2009 at 6:25 pm -      #18

    An Italian plumber with steel-toed boots VS a bandicoot with pants VS a blue hedgehog VS a purple dragon…Spyro shouldn’t be here, how about Mega Man or something? However, based on description, he seems more powerful…but what the hell does he do, anyways? The bandicoot goes next, it seems stupid, and I don’t mean that as an insult. He seems intentionally written like that. Mario and Sonic…Sonic’s arms are about as thick as Mario’s fingers. Sonic breaks…

  19. X March 27, 2009 at 3:43 am -      #19

    1. Mario jumps, throw mushrooms, and grow taller simple as that
    2. Crash can spin, he has a bazooka, and alot of other things at his dispossal o i forgot that Witch Doctor Mask that he puts on to finish the job which i call his Bankai in which has powers like a god. ( message for the Zero guy no offense )
    3. Sonic has his speed and his agility and his super sonic form.
    4. Spyro wouldn’t last for a long time even when he can blow fire and do other things.

    The last ones standing would be Crash and Sonic which I am rooting for them in this fight.

    So It would probally be a tie reviewing number 2 and 3 because Sonic can go super sonic and Crash has powers like a god with the mask on him

    nuf said thats my opinion feel free to be a critic at this message.

  20. hi guy April 10, 2009 at 11:13 pm -      #20

    no one could win because they would all get an invincibility upgrade unique to their own game!!!!


  21. abson205 June 9, 2009 at 2:51 pm -      #21

    spyro can turn into dark spyro sonic super sonic mario firemario crash i don’t know what crash can do

  22. TheSorrow June 9, 2009 at 7:01 pm -      #22

    I think it should be a Super Smash Bros. style fight. It would make it easier for me to imagine.

  23. HK-47 June 30, 2009 at 3:35 am -      #23

    I’d say Crash and Sonic tie. When the fighting starts Crash could spin to deflect most of the stuff they hit him with whilst the others fight eachother, I think Spyro goes down first. Then maybe Sonic or Crash take down Mario cause as said earlier hes popular but not too powerful. Then Sonic goes into ball and goes for crash, Crash having span for too long stops and instead usues his wampa bazooka thing which is on his back and shoots sonic point blank, wampa explodes and kills them both.

  24. Chasym July 13, 2009 at 9:38 pm -      #24

    All upgrades, eh? If so, Spyro would win. Hello, people? Fury! Just imagine: The moment they they all step into the ring, the dragon rears up (everyone watches, thinking ‘WTF?’), pulls back his wings & takes a deep breath (still no one has a clue what’s going on), then, all of the sudden… POW!!! The other 3 are fried! Or frozen… or buried… or electrocuted! Or simply obliterated, depending on the element. (anyone played Eternal Night?) While he is rearing up & breathing (as dumb as it sounds), he is totally and compleatly untouchable. Plus, this attack is instant. No wasting time twirling on tiptoes, or throwing fungus! And Sonic can run, but he can’t hide! Fury gets everything, everywhere, every time. Period. End of discussion. Goodbye, the End! Any Questions?

  25. Marche July 13, 2009 at 9:58 pm -      #25


    How do you know that will kill super sonic,besides using No-Limits Fallacies.

  26. OriginalA July 14, 2009 at 2:24 am -      #26

    You stick him in a hydrolic press. Super Sonic is not invulnerable to crushing, or bottomless pits, or drowding for that matter. Hyper Sonic is though.

  27. Scenario July 14, 2009 at 3:45 am -      #27

    Mario wins using the power of the Star Rod, the 7 Star Spirits, the 7 Crystal Stars, and the 8 Pure Hearts. That’s 23 artifacts of mystical power right there. Most of them are used for healing, time stops, divine attacks, and things of that nature, but one grants wishes. Together, they negate invincibility and cancel out other artifacts.

    I may list specifics later.

  28. OriginalA July 14, 2009 at 4:50 pm -      #28

    Or Sonic could stop time and teleport everyone into the nearest star.

  29. The Dooms August 6, 2009 at 9:11 pm -      #29

    Instead of going about this as giving the characters ALL their powerups, I’m going to examine this as them having all of their powerups from ONE game. For Crash, I’m talking Crash of the Titans/Mind Over Mutant, for Sonic, Unleashed. Paper Mario for Mario, and Year of the Dragon for Spyro, since I don’t like the Legend series.

    I think Mario would go down first. Despite his mascot status, he really doesn’t have many offensive capabilities, beyond jumping and his hammer. And let’s face it, Sonic’s too fast to hit.

    I think Spyro would be eliminated next. He has many combat capablities, but he’s never dealt with anything as fast as Sonic or as unpredictable and wild as Crash.

    From here it boils down to Sonic vs. Crash. Sonic may be fast, but Crash has an almost impenetrable defense in Aku Aku. But Sonic wins the fight anyway due to his having the Chaos Emeralds and transforming into Super Sonic.

  30. Armand August 8, 2009 at 1:57 am -      #30

    Well I think you´re forgeting a lot of things that Spyro has, first he must be hit four times in order to die… Mario and Crash (with the aku aku mask) needs up to tree hits to be killed (at least on the last game I played, Warped for crash and Super Mario 3 for Mario) I don´t know well Sonic, so I can’t say anything about him…

    And with all powerups… come on Spyro, Mario and Crash have Invincivility powerups… Again, I can´t talk about Sonic…

    Talking about abilities, Mario can only jump, and with the use of items the flower and the feather (again my last mario game was Super Mario 3) can shot fireballs ore do a tail swip, Crash can roll and has his bazooca, but Spyro can charge, breathe flames, or ice, he has a headbash, he can fly,and he has also a super flame power up and he can pick up things and lauch them…

    So come on I’m not saying Spyro would be the winner, but I’m pretty sure he can beat both Crash and Mario…

    PD. Plus, Spyro is the richest… Just imagine how much money does he have… lol, I know, Mario collects coins… But a gem sure is worth lots of coins….

  31. tae August 11, 2009 at 8:01 pm -      #31

    hi i love mario hes’ going to win not soinc crash not spyor mario is the graetes
    fighter in the wrold so you guy can kiss my ASS about soinc or crash or spyor
    because they suck S U C K that all i got to saty tanks loesr

  32. Drayflare August 28, 2009 at 9:26 pm -      #32

    Spyro should win for me. He can change his breath, so he can counter almost anything.

  33. Cpt Olimar August 28, 2009 at 9:36 pm -      #33

    considering how popular mario is, I am surprised there aren’t more fanboys like “tae” saying mario would win this. Even if we assumed a starman trumped EVERYTHING including super/hyper sonic he still wouldn’t be able to hit sonic, who is faster than light. Sonic could literally steal the star rod from mario and then use it to negate his other artifacts, then use his super form to finish him off.

    While I like the good ‘ol plumber the most, I think he comes in 2nd.

  34. Bubbles September 23, 2009 at 1:01 pm -      #34

    Crash bandicoot is the best.Is the best in Psx ans it’s very entertainment,only in the old games.Now,Sierra changed the characters aspect and made monsters,they are really stupid

  35. scenario September 30, 2009 at 11:04 pm -      #35

    Mario can use the Crystal Stars to Stop Time (Clock Out), then proceed with a Showstopper (instant kill.) Star Rod can grant any wish, but only shown to grant invincibility and a massive power boost. Star Beam/Peach Beam and the Purity Heart can depower the Chaos Emeralds or any other invincibilty item you care to name. A Power Star is not needed, even if it kills all. Mario’s still got Life Shrooms to revive himself.

    Really, ALL ITEMS Mario is better than Composite Link.

  36. Cpt Olimar September 30, 2009 at 11:13 pm -      #36

    I still see Super Sonic literally stealing his items.

    That’s one thing about characters (especially in RPG’s) that one never thinks about.
    When Sonic can move to the other side of the world faster than it takes for mario to even think about doing anything, there’s no reason why Sonic couldn’t just take all of Mario’s fancy items and either eliminate them or use them himself. Showstopper doesn’t always work… and against a character that is practically invulnerable, I think it would do nothing. And if showstopper would work well… Sonic can use the star rod to protect himself lol.

    Regardless I think a quick teleportation to the sun would take mario out of commission.

    As for the purity hearts, it’s complete speculation to assert that it would work against other invincibilities. In fact it seems that they were made with the sole reason of countering the chaos hearts, as it is referenced to in the Light Prognasticus. It seems that the purity hearts act on the chaos hearts more than that they just act on any arbitrary “invulnerability” status.

    That’s my take anyway… and Mario’s timestop won’t last very long, it also might not even effect super sonic due to his invulnerability status :/

    although that’s speculative.

  37. Belisaurius September 30, 2009 at 11:33 pm -      #37

    Mario and Sonic have the most experience and therefore an advantage over crash and spyro, the latter actually has a chance due to his draconic heritage.

    Now that we’re down to Sonic and Mario, let’s simplify this a bit. Mario’s primary means of attack is jumping on his foes. Sonic is covering in spikes.

    Sonic, but barely.

  38. Scenario October 1, 2009 at 12:38 am -      #38

    Spike Shield badge.

    @ Cpt Olimar

    You have good points, but all of them seem to be assuming that Sonic starts in Super Sonic form and does not have any charge time at all. The transformation is not instantaneous, and Mario is perfectly capable of stopping time while Sonic is powering up. Picture it like this: Sonic summons the Chaos Emeralds. Mario summons the Crystal Stars. While Sonic powers up, Mario stops Time.

    Sonic could forgo the transformation entirely and attempt stealing Mario’s items right away, but he’d still be vulnerable. He’d also be trying to steal up to 23 artifact from Mario at once, while they are in Hammerspace. And there are other competitors.

    For the Purity Heart, I think it should work, as it removes the power of the Chaos Heart and the Star/Peach beam gets rid of the “invincible” status.

  39. Cpt Olimar October 1, 2009 at 12:52 am -      #39

    The Star/Peach beam seems more likely (as I just CANT rid the feeling of the purity hearts only being compatible with the Chaos Hearts) but even then it seemed more like it was directly against the Star Rod..

    I could give Mario the benefit of the doubt on the Peach Beam one. However, that DOESNT prevent Sonic from going super again (just like Bowser could reactivate immunity after being peach beamed). The kicker here though, is that Sonic can just run away, then activate, then come back at lightspeed to beat mario.

    Sonic’s mobility over Mario (just like Samus’s in other matches) gives him a BIG advantage imo. Like I said, Mario’s time stop does at BEST what 4 “turns” which I can equate to 20 seconds at most and even THEN it doesn’t always work. It really just stops individuals opposed to stopping the dimension of time. This means that in all reality, Mario would have to target Sonic specifically, which I think may prove to be too difficult.

    To generalize: If sonic can temporarily escape Mario’s grasp and turn super successfully, I think it’s over despite the peach beam. If Mario can stop sonic before he does that, he still has to put some real damage on the hedgehog (and dont say two jumps :P).

    Mario has stalling items and tactics, but I think Sonic’s speed is too versatile of an ability for Mario to match.

  40. Scenario October 1, 2009 at 1:05 am -      #40

    And that is why Sonic vs.Mario shall never be resolved.

    But yeah, the Clock Out seems to target individuals, I think it locks them at a point in time or something. However, the stopwatch(non-RPG version) item tends to actually stop time.

    Alright, I’ll agree with you there. Sonic, even non super form, is too fast for Mario. Though I did have a reaction time feat on Mario at some point. He could block a lightning strike from the Shadow Queen. Hard to do, but possible.

    So, if Mario can actually get his hands on Sonic, he wins. Otherwise, Super Sonic can obliterate him.

  41. Cpt Olimar October 1, 2009 at 2:28 am -      #41

    More or less, remember “normal” sonic moves at least mach 1 I believe (the idea of him running at “supersonic” speeds is used too often for it to be a pun on his name. Even mach1 will totally blow mario away in an ability to fight back. Mario is NOT used to fighting fast enemies, maybe inhumanly overpowered characters against whom he has a special item to counter, but not physically fast ones.

    (On a side note, I thought the “B” counter in Paper Mario 2 was a completely unnecessary addition to an already too easy game. The Shadow Queen was a total joke in terms of strength, why they allowed badged to stack and the “B” counter is beyond me)

    As for blocking the bolt, it’s really just a game mechanic. It’s not like you would seriously argue that if the death star shot a laser at mario that he has the possibility of “blocking” the laser. I mean it’s too silly… even for mario! As for reducing damage from the “a” block, that at least makes some sense. being ready for any attack should reduce its “damage” on you. But you cant just block everything….

    Also, what is the stopwatch… from a non-RPG? Which game?

  42. Scenario October 1, 2009 at 2:45 am -      #42

    Super Mario 2, I believe. The one that takes place in subcon, the dream world. Therefore, it may not actually exist.

    As for the lightning, I’ll just take it as a maximum. I meant more as a measure of speed than blocking power.

  43. Space marine October 1, 2009 at 3:14 am -      #43

    Wait a minute…Link vs Mario? Request it!

  44. E-MAN October 17, 2009 at 1:53 pm -      #44

    mario will kill then with one touch that
    how they all die

  45. Scenario October 17, 2009 at 2:21 pm -      #45

    After doing a little research, I have found that the Star/Peach beam works on things other than the Star Rod. It turns out you can use it to get rid of any power up effect (electrified, attack up, defense up, intangible.) Too bad those are only really used by Magikoopas. Pure Hearts not so much.

    So Mario has the tools to completely negate anyone else’s invincibility and keep his own. And Life Shrooms can bring him back to life. If he could pull off a time stop or paralysis effect before the others, he can win.

    If only he was faster…

  46. Cpt Olimar October 17, 2009 at 2:52 pm -      #46

    *in an extremely annoying voice*
    “You’re too slow!!”

  47. Jwlynas October 17, 2009 at 3:07 pm -      #47

    We have to start applying the same rules that MC has to other characters.

    With him , if someone mentions plasma weapons, energy sword or grav hammer, usually someone else will, entirely reasonably, say “thats not his equipment though. he uses UNSC standard equipment. Giving him covenant stuff is just silly”

    Same with mario. Sure, he could potentially have that, but generally he has… what, his hat, and maybe a mushroom that makes him grow. Crash has apples as standard, and can spin. Snic has rings, and potentially the chaos emeralds, depends on whether you consider his comic canon or not (he ended up joint protector with Knuckles)

    Spyro didn’t need that stuff, he could breathe fire and ice and other stuff.

    Lets try and keep to “Items the heros have” and not “items they steal from enemies/loot from random chests”

  48. Cpt Olimar October 17, 2009 at 3:12 pm -      #48

    but Jwlynas,
    “For this match, all power-ups are available from from each character’s series. ”

    so that’s probably why.

    Anyway, if we go that way, sonic tackles his three opponents at several mach speeds, decapitating them all before they can assess the situation.

    I say sonic wins either way.

  49. OriginalA October 17, 2009 at 3:20 pm -      #49

    Sonic’s Light Speed Attack is a fairly standard ability for him, and I seriously doubt anyone in this match is going to survive impacts at that speed without some serious invulnerability items used before hand, which they probably won’t have because it isn’t their standard equipment.

  50. shayne lavallee October 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm -      #50

    man i wish spyro and crash made an appearence in smash bros. those guys would be new special guest’s like sonic was. sonic is sega, mario is nintendo and spyro and crash are from sony or something. spyro would fight good he would dash towards characters and slam them and breath fire. crash should fight good too, he would spin like a tornado like what he does in the video games. yeah these four video game characters are cool. i like them all.

  51. IRun NJ January 4, 2010 at 10:53 pm -      #51

    I think Ty the Tasmanian Tiger would win.

  52. IRun NJ January 4, 2010 at 10:55 pm -      #52

    No wait, deffinatly Rayman.

  53. adam January 29, 2010 at 2:38 pm -      #53

    i personally loved sonic in my childhood days
    Sonic vs Mario
    the biggest question was who was better mario or sonic

  54. asdf12345 March 2, 2010 at 10:14 pm -      #54

    Mario has access to the all the items in Super Paper Mario. He will have access to the,the Mega,and the Pure The Stopwatch immobilizes everything mario attacks it with. The Mega Star grows Mario to massive size and he can’t be defeated by anything and can survive anything until he tranforms into normal Mario and destroys through blocks and any enemy he touches.. The Pure Hearts destroyed the invincible form of Super They work against invincible forms so he can defeat the others even if they have thier own invincible forms because they can negate them. He uses the Stopwatch which can stop time instantly (he can’t be damaged while it is being activated by him), and then transforms into Mega Star Mario using the Mega Star and negates thier forms. After they are not invincible they are touched by Mega Star Mario and are defeated. He can keep on stopping time with the Stop Watch until he touches them and then he can transform. If we put game mechanics aside Mario can win in a canon battle with the Star Rod: because he was given it in Paper Mario at the end. He can wish to win the battle because he just need to want it and defeats them all before anyone can attack. This is the best set of items mario has and he can defeat everything if he has all of these.

  55. Nintendopwns March 2, 2010 at 11:05 pm -      #55

    Super sonic is a rather bad excuse for winning how often does he go super sonic?
    He loses those emeralds so often its not funny.
    Since they get all canon items though I will let him keep them.

    In sonic 3
    Watch the beginning.
    I don’t think super sonic is really that tough if a normal Knuckles can hit him, why can’t Mario with a much greater reaction time?

    Also I don’t think sonic would just pull out the emeralds right away.
    Sonic messes around in fights so often , when Mario does not mess around in a fight(not that I have ever seen)

    Take more then there power ups in mind include there personalities as well in the fight.

  56. Cpt Olimar March 2, 2010 at 11:33 pm -      #56

    first, to debunk asdf’s Star Rod theory, mario has canonically held the star rod for about 5 seconds. He has never actually HELD IT for a significant amount of time nor USED IT anytime for anything. Mario was the messenger boy, delivering it back to proper hands. No star rod for mario.

    “Super sonic is a rather bad excuse for winning how often does he go super sonic?”
    Whenever he feels like it when he has the choas emeralds.

    “He loses those emeralds so often its not funny.”
    Game mechanics, the EXACT same argument applies to Samus, so don’t push that line of thinking!!! Or else Samus gets ROFLSTOMPED by Boba for sure.

    As for the sonic 3 intro, I was once also confused by that. I merely thought “hitting” super sonic was enough, but Knuckles is the master emerald’s guardian, and it gives him the ability to nullify the chaos emeralds at will. Sonic didn’t lose the emeralds because he was hit too hard, had nothing to do with that. The confusion is understandable however, the game never explains it.

  57. Nintendopwns March 3, 2010 at 12:02 am -      #57

    Wait the Admin said all power ups right? I don’t view the emeralds as a power up.
    Nether do I view the star rod as a power up.
    I’m thinking of the real power ups that mario and sonic has Invincibility,Bubble shield,mushrooms ect..

  58. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 12:11 am -      #58

    u guys who are supporting everyone but sonic are aware of super sonic’s extremely OP lvl of power.. you should really look at Thanos vs Super Sonic thread super sonic could literally ROFLstomp all combants simultaneously. im going to post a comment from that debate.

  59. Cpt Olimar March 3, 2010 at 12:12 am -      #59

    Ok, if you want to argue by those terms, then sonic has an ability of a light-speed attack.

    Mario has zero chance…

  60. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 12:14 am -      #60

    Ive already stated in my last post the items Mario uses (with in game items) that beat even Sonic’s transformation if he is frozen in time and touched by Mario when he uses the Mega Star.

  61. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 12:18 am -      #61

    @ Cpt

    Frozen in time……..can’t move! Sonic can’t move when time is frozen……….. and Crash and Spyro…………..frozen too.

  62. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 12:19 am -      #62

    This is what super sonic does.

    “Sonic has a layered perception of time.

    First there is Sonic’s percetion of time. This is tied directly to how long Sonic can maintain Super form as once Super form fails all layers of time become a single layer which is normal flow. Super Form requires at least 50 rings to activate but Sonic has been able to generate rings out of his ass for no reason at all. For simplicity’s sake right now let us just assume that Sonic is only going to have 50 rings and go down from there. Every second from Sonic’s view will take 1 ring away thus after 50 seconds, from Sonic’s perspective, he will loose this match by being unable to defend himself.

    Next his Local Time. This is how time is traveling at the moment Sonic is existing. Sonic can stop Local Time, so this means that Super Sonic can move about for basically 50 seconds without having Local Time move at all. For simplicity’s sake this puts Sonic’s time at a 50 seconds to 0.1 second ratio.

    But then there is Time itself. Sonic can exist at multiple points in time concurently. So Sonic can exist for 50 seconds within 0.1 seconds of Local Time and exist at one third of all Local Time points within all of time itself concurently, which means that within the first fraction of a second of this match Super Sonic could have existed at all points in time, multiple times, and at the same time as himself.

    If Thanos is a chronolinear being, thus stuck at the first ring of perception (directly comparable to Sonic’s perception of time), then he will loose this match because he is only attacking a fraction of Sonic and only Sonic at that infintisimal fraction of his true self. At this point Sonic is an absract being that exists throughout most of the concept of time and cannot be hurt unless all existing Sonics are hit concurently. If Thanos cannot exist at multiple points in time concurently then he will be unable to hurt Sonic because Sonic will always currently exist at a point in time that is not that specific moment in time.

    Super Sonic can choose to not be a chronolinear being and when he does so he cannot be hurt by a chronolinear being.

    It’s like the Darleks. When they set the Reality Bomb +1 seconds in the future it was untouchable because it wasn’t in the present. Well Sonic exists at -1 seoncds, 0 seconds, +1 seconds and so on and so forth till he covers 1/3 of every infintisimal fraction of a second in all of time.

    Can Thanos do the same?

    If he cannot then he can only hurt the Sonic that is existing concurently to him. It won’t matter what Thanos does to that Sonic because Sonic will be able to hit back from every point in time that Thanos doesn’t actively exist in. Sonic’s attacks would be unavoidable because Thanos, again assuming he is a chronolinear being, wouldn’t see them coming because he would litterally be moving into them. Sonic at +1 seconds in the future would attack, then, as +1 becomes 0, Sonic’s attack would hit. He would litterally be coming out of no where as that particular Sonic wouldn’t have existed and Thanos would have been fighting the Sonic that was at 0 but is now at -1. So the Sonic Thanos was fighting would now be gone and past and a new Sonic would be there to fight him.

    And this doesn’t stop other Sonics that exist concurently in other points in time to time travel to whenever the fight is and gang up on Thanos.

    Do you know how many infintisimally small fractions of plank time there are in all of time itself? I don’t, but it would be a heck of a lot. Well devide by 3 and that is how many Super Sonics Thanos is fighting. And they are all hitting him with lightspeed punchs within stopped time with infinite and unlimited energy behind them …. right now.”


  63. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 12:22 am -      #63

    whats stopping time is it a power up or and item that marios has? if its and item does he have it enough for it to be considered standard equipment?

    but once sonic transforms the match is over.

  64. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 12:23 am -      #64

    @ Darkbladex96

    You are talking about if Sonic starts out in that form against Thanos but he will be frozen in this battle because game mechanics prove Mario can just use the Stopwatch. (Sarcastically)And by the way, you don’t seem like you are a fanatic fanboy. *hits head in frustration*

  65. Nintendopwns March 3, 2010 at 12:23 am -      #65

    Sonic in Super sonic mode is not affected by time the same as others.
    I do not think the stop watch would stop him might slow him down some though.
    Since sonic does not usually go all out right away(there are two others that may delay him long enough) mario does have a chance to use some of his standard power ups which he does normally carry that make him invincible.

  66. Cpt Olimar March 3, 2010 at 12:25 am -      #66

    @ Cpt

    Frozen in time……..can’t move! Sonic can’t move when time is frozen……….. and Crash and Spyro…………..frozen too.

    Before Mario’s neurons even fire, reacting to the sight of sonic, mario could be thrown halfway to the moon by the collision of him being hit my sonic at light-speed.

  67. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 12:32 am -      #67

    @ Darkbladex96
    When Mario uses the Stop Watch he affects everyone. In game it can be used and affect everyone. I don’t think Sonic can compete after he is frozen .

    @ Cpt
    The Star Rod is a item in his series so he can use it here.

  68. Cpt Olimar March 3, 2010 at 12:37 am -      #68

    but that’s fallacious logic, just because the item is IN his series DOESNT mean he can use it. The chaos emeralds are in the same series as robotnik’s robot soldiers, does it mean THEY can use the chaos emeralds? Or how about goombas, can they use stars because stars are in their series? The answer is no. mario has NEVER USED the star rod, thus why can he use it here? He doesn’t end the game having it anyway. Not valid.

  69. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 12:40 am -      #69

    @ Darkbladex96

    Furthermore, Sonic can’t transform to Super in the instant BEFORE Mario uses the Stop Watch.

  70. Nintendopwns March 3, 2010 at 12:52 am -      #70

    The stop watch does not last forever.
    go to 1 :37 and watch how long it lasts.

  71. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 1:06 am -      #71

    1st of all is it an item of a power up they are to different things, so if its an item he wont have it. is this damn stopwatch an item, cause if its which it souds like it is unless he’s been shown using it in 2 games its not his standard equipment.

    its proven that sonic will bust out the emaralds if things seem like they could be a little much, and sonic could use em from the get go. nothings stopping him, not even CIS, becuase he actually still plays with egg man in super sonic form. as a matter of fact super sonic isnt even a last ditch effort on sonics part, he used the form mainly just for the hell of it.

  72. Nintendopwns March 3, 2010 at 1:10 am -      #72

    He use’s ultimate power for the hell of it?
    this is why I like shadow more at least he uses his power seriously.

  73. OriginalA March 3, 2010 at 1:15 am -      #73

    “Furthermore, Sonic can’t transform to Super in the instant BEFORE Mario uses the Stop Watch.”

    Sure he could. Sonic’s reaction time is faster than light. While this is techinically impossible, he is capable of it. This means that within the nano-second of the match starting, Sonic has not only thought about what he is going to do, but has already started to activelly move to accomplish it. This can include becoming Super Sonic or invoking Chaos Control and stoping Local Time. He really is just that fast.

    You know how John-117 sees everything in slow motion, well Sonic would see everything at near stop motion speeds. It is mind boggoling how fast he thinks, and since he has the action speed to actually do stuff with that reaction time, it means that Sonic could take every item away from all of the other combatants within the first second of the fight. He is just too fast.

  74. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 1:17 am -      #74

    also not to mention sonics most overlook feature which hasnt been mentioned.

    his super strength, sonic has shown on multiple occasions that he’s strong enough to punch and kick Eggman’s robots and destroy them, from a standing position no running involved. why is this impressive? because conventional weapons and other weapons in the sonicverse completely fail at damaging them significantly.

  75. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 1:21 am -      #75

    @ Nintendopwns
    Is there a reason why he shouldn’t use it in his personality he has shown?
    If he should use it in other series like Super Mario Galaxy then there is no game.
    obviously, he wont use it in other games. The description still says ” For this match, ALL power-ups are available from from each character’s series. Besides, I wouldn’t like it if he used it for EVERY GAME after the first.

  76. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 1:22 am -      #76

    so basically sonic runs over everyone in this match. sonic has far superior speed, and a high lvl stregnth to boot. he brings an amount of power to the fight far beyond that of the other combatants.

  77. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 1:25 am -      #77

    so FP award for sonic? anybody second this?

  78. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 1:33 am -      #78

    OMG the description says all power ups these mario people are confusing power-ups with equipment.

    these items that you people are talking about: do they appear out of blocks during gameplay do enemies drop them? if not they are equipment and he needs to be proven to have them in 2 or more games.

  79. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 1:59 am -      #79

    @ Dark
    No it is all equipment from all series.
    Mario can beat Sonic with the Star Rod because there is no reason why he can’t bring it here. He will start out and can use it because even though it isn’t in more than 2 games it still is from his series. There is no chance that Mario can die with the Star Rod because he can do whatever he literally WISHES for.

  80. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 2:05 am -      #80

    Mario can Beat everyone with the Star Rod. If they are even fighting Mario will already want Sonic dead the chance that he will have to think about killing him when the match starts is stupid, he already wants to kill him.Sonic is doomed to be wished out of existence. Mario won’t do that though,he will just want to win. So Sonic is Ko’ed on the ground same as Crash and Spyro.

  81. Cpt Olimar March 3, 2010 at 2:07 am -      #81

    asdf, please read my post that completely invalidates what you claim…
    post #68:
    but that’s fallacious logic, just because the item is IN his series DOESNT mean he can use it. The chaos emeralds are in the same series as robotnik’s robot soldiers, does it mean THEY can use the chaos emeralds? Or how about goombas, can they use stars because stars are in their series? The answer is no. mario has NEVER USED the star rod, thus why can he use it here? He doesn’t end the game having it anyway. Not valid.”

    Your logic would be the equivalent of giving the Star Rod as a viable item to anyone who touched the silly thing. Please, Mario merely retrieved it from Bowser and gave it to the Star Spirits. This is neither a power-up for mario, nor some canonical item he obtained for himself. He delivered, it’s not his anymore, it never was his. Stop bringing this up.

    If sonic collected the chaos emeralds to give to say…. knuckles to keep, he would not be allowed to use them in battles (unless specificied) since they would not canonically be his. To the contrary, sonic collects them so he can use them to defeat his enemies, unlike Mario who took the Star Rod FROM his enemies and gave it back to proper hands.

  82. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 2:07 am -      #82

    Mario and Sonic in my opinion are both treated as equal if you grade me on my fanboyism.

  83. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 2:26 am -      #83

    For the record, Sonic can’t also beat Mario with his superguard. It’s a game mechanic, but he can still tank everything.

    there is no proof he can survive being frozen after he is hit by Mega Star Mario .
    The game mechanics show he can’t survive if he is frozen. And this is not the one Stop Watch in Paper Mario, it is the one in SPM

    As for the Star Rod, game mechanics wise, is not in this battle if they game mechanic aren’t added.

  84. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 2:44 am -      #84

    @ Ctp at Post #68

    (I will post very late tommorow so this will be my post for now)
    “Or how about goombas, can they use stars because stars are in their series?”
    A koopa troopa in Super Paper Mario DID use a Mega
    lol I”ll post around 4:00.

  85. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 3:55 am -      #85

    Around 9:35 shows the Stop Watch:

  86. asdf12345 March 3, 2010 at 7:48 pm -      #86

    I am back
    I will post later about the Star Rod but for now I will talk about what the competitors need to even beat Mario.
    @Dark :The Stop Watch is used in the above video i posted about 9-10 hours ago. The Stop Watch is a broken item because Sonic can’t hit Mario with a light speed attack because for one: the attack hits EVERYTHING and never fails.
    Sonic can’t *dodge* this. Second: Mario has the item in his inventory and when you use it the activation is instantaneous. , NOTHING damages Mario while he uses the Stop Watch
    as shown in the video in my above post. Nothing moves as Mario uses the Stop Watch If Sonic can become super then he has a chance but if Mario uses it at the start Sonic can’t counter it. If Sonic exists everywhere in time he will still die when mario runs into him because Sonic can’t move even if he attempts to attack anywhere because the timeline is frozen from that point. He can transform with the Mega
    and runs into everyone because they are immobilized
    @Ctp light speed attack does nothing when mario uses superguard and can take any damge. This is one of Mario’s broken abilities. Since you guys want to use FTL speed for Sonic, Mario should use his cheap moves.
    For those who don’t know here is super
    So here is the situation Mario can do since Sonic, Spyro, and Crash can’t break game mechanics.

    @Chasym Post #24
    The Stop Watch can immobilize everyone so he won’t get very far.Besides, Mario can Superguard.

    In this match is going to end up like this: Mario pulls out the Stop Watch and completely immobilizes everyone. Mario touches his Mega Star and transform into
    Mega Star Mario( and touches all of them and they are dead.

  87. OriginalA March 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm -      #87

    Proof that Mario has the reaction time to preform a superguard on a speed of light attack?

    Proof that Sonic, who is faster than Mario, cannot stop time before Mario does? (He can by the way).

    “If Sonic exists everywhere in time he will still die when mario runs into him because Sonic can’t move even if he attempts to attack anywhere because the timeline is frozen from that point.”

    This one is just wrong by the way. In order to absolutely kill Sonic when he is being abstract, you MUST (absolutely MUST) attack him simultaniously at all points in time that he exists at, which is the entire timeline of 1/3rd of all possible realities. … Mario can hit attack Sonic in the present in one reality… This ultimately does nothing to Sonic while he is exisiting as an abstract whose begins and ends of his existance is measured in realities contrasts to a normal being’s begin and end which is meansure as two single points in time. If you kill him at a single moment in time in a single reality that still means that he is alive both before that point in time and after that point in time in that same reality as well as MANY other realities as well.

    Trust me, I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about how Sonic exists as an abstract. Mario lacks the means to kill him without using a wishing item, and even then it is iffy as the wishing item in question would require near omnipotent power to fully kill Sonic’s abstractual form, and even then it doesn’t stop Sonic from just hitting Mario before he makes a wish.

  88. Envoy March 3, 2010 at 8:59 pm -      #88

    “This one is just wrong by the way. In order to absolutely kill Sonic when he is being abstract, you MUST (absolutely MUST) attack him simultaniously at all points in time that he exists at, which is the entire timeline of 1/3rd of all possible realities. … Mario can hit attack Sonic in the present in one reality… This ultimately does nothing to Sonic while he is exisiting as an abstract whose begins and ends of his existance is measured in realities contrasts to a normal being’s begin and end which is meansure as two single points in time. If you kill him at a single moment in time in a single reality that still means that he is alive both before that point in time and after that point in time in that same reality as well as MANY other realities as well.”

    Then there’s the fact that super sonic is invincible, the only thing you can do to him is slow him down, how is mario going to hurt him?

  89. Darkbladex96 March 3, 2010 at 10:48 pm -      #89

    so you expect the match to ride on the superguard? how many games has he had them?

  90. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 12:05 am -      #90

    @Original A
    Sonic goes lightspeed and faster huh? Your saying he does this but showing absolute zero proof he does in his game even go that fast.
    For what series does he do that. Eggman is shown to have a faster reaction time to him while he is in super mode at 2:48 eggman can push a button(Sonic can react to lighspeed apparently in his games where he could just phase out of the machine that sucks away his super mode)
    and show me Sonic time stop feat. He can do it with an item or a video that is in a legit game. There is no knowledge of any time stop i know of……
    The Stopwatch can be used on the final boss of Super Paper Mario and can be used on very strong beings. There is no proof he can move this fast in his games, I might add.
    @ Dark
    Mario can superguard everything.
    Mario is shown to be able to have a very fast reaction time:
    he can block in a 1/4 of a second many feats are shown
    that a human can block
    Mario in Paper Mario:The Thousand Year Door fighting on of the hardest bosses at VERY low hp. Mario is shown to be able to block everything.

  91. Darkbladex96 March 4, 2010 at 12:39 am -      #91

    “@Original A
    Sonic goes lightspeed and faster huh? Your saying he does this but showing absolute zero proof he does in his game even go that fast.
    For what series does he do that. Eggman is shown to have a faster reaction time to him while he is in super mode at 2:48 eggman can push a button(Sonic can react to lighspeed apparently in his games where he could just phase out of the machine that sucks away his super mode)
    and show me Sonic time stop feat. He can do it with an item or a video that is in a legit game. There is no knowledge of any time stop i know of……”

    sounds like someone needs to go play some sonic games. OriginalA has proved it, 3 or for times in Thanos vs super sonic. need i remind you of how sonic could run fast enough to go back or forward in time on sonic cd,

  92. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 1:27 am -      #92

    For the most part, Sonic only time travels in only in that game, and that was because he was able to use the speed posts around the level so it is not a power he had except for that particular game.
    Furthermore, i have already stated when using the Stop Watch you are basically intangible so he dosen’t need to block a light speed attack, he can just freeze Sonic.
    After that you know he will be defeated.

  93. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 1:30 am -      #93

    He was able to time travel with the special posts he touched and that doesn’t even count as a skill he uses.

  94. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 1:37 am -      #94

    The fact that the speed posts aren’t a power-up makes it unusable because they are used to move around between levels.

  95. Darkbladex96 March 4, 2010 at 1:46 am -      #95

    and your logic states that sonic would be able to use this ablitiy, same as mario would even though they both only had access to them i a single game. i could argue that posts were merely secondary checkpoints put there to inform you that after you pass them you have the option of timeshifting seeing as nothing in the game ever states that they are a power-up or a piece of tech. and by your logic mario could never win anyway because sonic would just come back to life at a checkpoint.

    u failed the test of contradiction, your trying to give mario one time abilities, and situational moves but quickly rebuttle attempts of other to do the same on sonics account. only difference is its proven that sonic can time travel.

  96. Darkbladex96 March 4, 2010 at 1:52 am -      #96

    “The fact that the speed posts aren’t a power-up makes it unusable because they are used to move around between levels.”

    wrong…their just checkpoints. and you never leave the lvl with em.

    superguard, star rod, and stopwatch. being one game moves or equipment and not power-ups makes them unuseable. a star man is a power-up, mushrooms are power-ups, fireflowers are power-ups, marios costumes are power-ups. those other things are skills and equipment that he doesnt retain or standardly have access to.

  97. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 1:55 am -      #97

    Since Sonic has no real time stop power so he can’t beat Mario.
    You can’t beat the broken power-up, Stop Watch.
    And the funniest thing is Mario can get them for fairly cheap,
    and activating them are surprisingly easy way to win because
    he can have time stopped and attack them with his overpowered
    mega form as he attacks them and defeats them. For
    transforming he can get close and land the blow if he wants. There is no way to beat him as long as he uses the Stop Watch First.
    THIS is why he is as powerful as Sonic.

  98. OriginalA March 4, 2010 at 1:57 am -      #98

    Okay, I can’t find evidence of Sonic fully stopping time. He can slow it down though.

    It’s in there.

    Sonic’s base speed is in the hypersonic range (Mach 5 +) according to the Sonic Adventure DX manual.

    Sonic’s abilities: Light Speed Dash and Light Speed Attack are both stated to factually be at the speed of light and not hyperbole.

    Chaos Control, an ability he has had since Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, gives him control over space and time. … so yeah. Sonic CCs everyone into the nearest star in the first split second of the fight. It can also be used to punch holes in time and time travel through the holes. (this is basically the plot of Sonic 06).

    Again you have failed to quantified Mario’s speed. Sonic’s action speed is C and his reaction speed is > C by an unknown amount (evidenced by the fact that he is cognizant during his lightspeed moves). This means that Sonic can pull off just about anything that he wants before any of the other combatants’ brains fire up and tell them that their eyes are seeing people they should recognize as enemies (much less that they should do something about it or even begin to move about).

    Also it is a no-limits fallacy to say that Mario can Superguard everything. I highly doubt that he could superblock omnipotent power (which by definition has no limits and thus could not be blocked).

    Again Sonic’s speed of light movements and faster than light thoughts allow him to become Super Sonic the picosecond this match starts (picosecond is 0.000000000001 seconds in length) and once he is Super Sonic he becomes an abstractial being who exists when and where he wants in which ever realities that has an outcome that he desires. In other words it is ‘game over’ for everyone else once Sonic becomes Super Sonic.

  99. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 2:02 am -      #99

    And the fact that they are not in any other game is because they don’t show any power to time travel Sonic around regularly is what I meant because they can’t do anything else. The speed poles aren’t power-ups except an item he can use in his world.

  100. asdf12345 March 4, 2010 at 2:07 am -      #100

    Fine if he can’t use superguard, but Sonic has NO WAY of countering the Stop Watch. And the fact that he is basically touching the item in his inventory means Sonic can’t defy logic and hit him in no time at all. Another point is it will make him intangible in the process of activating it, shown in the video in my Post #85. It tells you where it shows the Stop Watch.

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