Tyranids Vs The Flood

Tyranids (Warhammer 40K) Vs The Flood (Halo)

Even if the numbers were equal, I just don’t see how the Flood could win this fight. The Tyranids are simply too evolved and they would be able to adapt to get the victory.

Can the Flood pull out an upset victory?

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402 Comments on "Tyranids Vs The Flood"

  1. L-W January 7, 2009 at 7:35 am -      #1

    This is a fight that was a long time in the making, in which the Tyranids most certainly would destroy the Flood.

    1) The main issue for the Flood are their inability to capture or utilize Tyranid hosts, since Tyranids just don’t meet the physiological requirements for Flood infection. This would the Flood at an immediate disadvantage amidst intense bouts of combat.

    Meanwhile Tyranids are capable of growing extra appendages, ranged weapons, Dreadnought piercing talons or even entire star ships from consumed biomass. Considering their digestive tract allows them to break down even the strongest of known alloys and absorb it into their phyiology.

    2) Upon contact with a foreign species, the Tyranid immediately absorb their opponents genetic material, which is transmitted via a psychic bond throughout the Hive that trans-mutates and literally streamlines the evolution of the entire species. In the course of a few hours, their entire fighting force can be adapted to specific environmental threats.

    3) Most Flood technological feats are acts of procurement, hence their utilization of fallen weapons of firearms in possession of the former host (A shotgun wielding Marine is going to get back up as a Shotgun wielding). Coupled with the fact that individual physical impairment renders a certain lack of finesses in their cognitive functions; and most Flood units are terribly poor marksmen and pilots. Their only true strength being all out close quarters melee.

    Each Tyranid on the other hand is a genetically encoded natural born warrior, designed, bred and raised for battle. Chitinous Tank-like armor that covers it from head to tow, rows upon rows of steel crushing jaws and a pair of pincers/scythes/claws that can peel back the plating of even the toughest of Imperium Vehicles like a banana skin. These are just the armaments of the lower caste Hive warriors, the upper echelons of which are not even worthy of comparison.

    In a direct fight, I would say that even a common Genestealer would show the Pure forms a world of hurt, anything of a Carnifex or even Tyrant caliber would just be overkill.

  2. Matapiojo January 7, 2009 at 8:54 am -      #2

    TYRANID HIEROPHANT BIO TITAN
    www.forgeworld.co.uk/hierop1.htm

    TYRANID MALANTHROPE
    www.forgeworld.co.uk/malan.htm

    TYRANID TRYGON
    www.forgeworld.co.uk/trygon.htm

    TYRANID HARRIDAN
    www.forgeworld.co.uk/bugswarm.htm

    TYRANID BARBED HIERODULE
    www.forgeworld.co.uk/bhier.htm

    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Tyranids

    www.necrotales.com/graphics/tutorials/tut13_tyranid_13.jpg
    ca.games-workshop.com/rise_of_swarm/images/thebugs.jpg
    cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/08/tyranid.jpg
    fc01.deviantart.com/fs25/f/2008/105/6/8/Tyranid_Poster_by_Sean_Hiruki.jpg

    —————————————

    No, Flood doesn’t stand a chance.

  3. AlphaCommando January 7, 2009 at 2:43 pm -      #3

    Similar to what L-W said, I’ll back that up….

    The Nids seem to be insectoid in nature; so its possible that they would be useless to the Flood cause even if by some miracle they managed to kill one.

  4. Matapiojo January 8, 2009 at 8:03 am -      #4

    Heh, looks like there is no contest on this one, fellers…..

  5. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN!!! January 8, 2009 at 9:26 am -      #5

    sorry to say but L-W ultimately right the flood would get a cosmic beat down

  6. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN!!! January 8, 2009 at 9:31 am -      #6

    hey L-W What do you think of this match up
    let me know in this fight well this part of BankGambling

    The Replacators(Stargate),Tyranids(40K) and the flood(Halo) vs Haloverse and 40K universe

  7. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN!!! January 8, 2009 at 10:15 am -      #7

    oh and the replacators would be from both pegesus and milky way galaxys

  8. Matapiojo January 8, 2009 at 12:31 pm -      #8

    The ones from Pegasus can do everything the Milky Way’s can…

  9. WTF OMG ITS A SPARTAN January 8, 2009 at 9:34 pm -      #9

    the ones from pegusus have anceint tech and the ones from the milky way have asgard tech

  10. KiraMasteroftheNote January 10, 2009 at 1:02 am -      #10

    Wow. Im actually agreeing with a 40k fight. Aside from the fact of the obvious winner. The flood suck in general. If MC alone can take on an entire army of them. The Tyranids will have no problem at all.

  11. Locutus January 10, 2009 at 7:45 am -      #11

    “Wow. Im actually agreeing with a 40k fight.”

    Which fights did you not agree with?

  12. Zer0 January 26, 2009 at 11:13 pm -      #12

    he he he lol Ya I mean the Tyranids are basicly dino’s MIXED WITH THE FLOOD with some venom in there so ya

  13. MJSC STARWARS January 26, 2009 at 11:33 pm -      #13

    I don’t know anything about Tyranids, but if Flood can’t infect them, then Flood simply infect others so they can fight ‘em. Like I said, don’t know Tryanids, but I’m goin’ with the ones I know all about: Flood. If you think I’m wrong, convince me I am.

  14. =[BF]=JimmieRox February 1, 2009 at 8:10 am -      #14

    You keep doing this, want a link, I’ll go find you one.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranids

    There you go, like another?

    kofler.dot.at/40k/tyranid.html

    One more?

    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyranid

    That should do it, now as someone once said “go figure”

  15. XV15 Steathsuit February 16, 2009 at 12:34 am -      #15

    If one flood was killed the Tyranid hive mind would just absorb the floods ability.

    It would then be a question of who can infect or kill the larger amount.

    All in all its unanimous Tyranids would win

  16. Space marine February 16, 2009 at 3:57 am -      #16

    Well, The tyranids would never ever absorb the flood, That would Screw their gene-pool forever. The tyranids Are an insectisiod Race, The Flood Requires HUMAN hosts to mutate and Utilise all they want, The flood could never Infect the Nids.

  17. Eldernesh March 4, 2009 at 11:05 pm -      #17

    “Considering their digestive tract allows them to break down even the strongest of known alloys and absorb it into their phyiology”

    it has being noted that necron tyranid engamentsthe tyranids won but were unable to recover there loses due to being unable to digest the necrondermis metal

  18. lololol March 5, 2009 at 1:44 am -      #18

    well you know, it all depend on whether hte hive mind or the grave mind is smarter, I mean its strategy wins, but if the flood goes into the warhammer 40k world and infest like about trillions of people, orks, eldars and stuff then it can get into a pretty fair fight.

  19. L-W March 5, 2009 at 5:14 am -      #19

    “it has being noted that necron tyranid engamentsthe tyranids won but were unable to recover there loses due to being unable to digest the necrondermis metal”

    Considering the Hive fleet deliberately avoided the Necron Tomb Worlds and have yet participated in a recorded conflict, I would would suggest that you were lying.

  20. Space marine March 22, 2009 at 8:42 pm -      #20

    Lol, Pansies. If the bugs were to ever try to fight the ‘crons they would be utterly destroyed. and the reason the bugs can’t absorb the metal is because it phases out.

  21. sangheli_special_ops_elite April 11, 2009 at 12:38 am -      #21

    flood would eventually lose since they cant take over there bodies but tyrannids can use the flood for bio matter and make more both armies use the same tactics by swarming using the dead for additional troops but flood can’t do that so the flood would get flooded nids

  22. Pokezilla May 22, 2009 at 1:51 pm -      #22

    Tyranids don’t stand a chance.

  23. IPaleoParasite June 3, 2009 at 7:57 pm -      #23

    Tyranids would adapt and DEMOLISH EVERY POOR LITTLE FLOOD IN THE GALALXY.

  24. sangheli June 30, 2009 at 9:53 pm -      #24

    Well, The tyranids would never ever absorb the flood, That would Screw their gene-pool forever. The tyranids Are an insectisiod Race, The Flood Requires HUMAN hosts to mutate and Utilise all they want, The flood could never Infect the Nids

    Cortana said herself “covenant, humans we are all equally edible”. I don’t know about the flood messing up their gene-pool through. There may be several defective tyrannids for their flood related genes but thats it. The tyrannids don’t meet the genetic requirments for a flood host as L-W already said. This actually may be a tie since the hive mind does’nt know where the flood homeworld is, only graveminds know and I doubt a gravemind would let that information slip out.

  25. L-W June 30, 2009 at 11:10 pm -      #25

    1) “Well, The tyranids would never ever absorb the flood, That would Screw their gene-pool forever. The tyranids Are an insectisiod Race, The Flood Requires HUMAN hosts to mutate and Utilise all they want, The flood could never Infect the Nids”

    Do some research before posting in future.

    Despite their appearance the Tyranids are willing to absorb any and all organic material they come across, including that of Humans (Who have been a staple of their diet for the past few years). Considering they’ve already absorbed an entire galaxy into their collective gene-pool, the Flood would more than easily suffice as a light snack.

    2) “The tyrannids don’t meet the genetic requirments for a flood host as L-W already said.”

    That’s not what I said, moron. Read it again.

    3) “This actually may be a tie since the hive mind does’nt know where the flood homeworld is”

    Once again, do some research before posting in future.

    The Tyranids don’t have a homeworld, that’s the point of their existence. They are an extra-galactic swarm of Locusts traveling from one planet to the next, replenishing their Hive vessels with biomass in a similar fashion to a nomadic alien parasite.

  26. Buuuuuullshit! July 26, 2009 at 12:07 am -      #26

    Tyranid vs the flood eh? i bet they’d just combine biomasses and team up to fuck shit up

  27. Space marine July 26, 2009 at 1:33 am -      #27

    No, Just No. How on Earth do ou expect tyranids that want to eat everything they come into contact with, to team up with the flood?

  28. chewie6000 July 26, 2009 at 9:44 am -      #28

    “Tyranids don’t stand a chance.”

    Why Pokezilla? just why? every time I see your comments on BankGambling you seem to be going against everything that has been said, and then you fail to put any evidence to support your ridiculous claims. So, I ask again why?

  29. PANZERACCLAMATOR November 26, 2009 at 10:10 pm -      #29

    tyranids are what the flood want to be when they grow up. they have a much more efficient method of biomass absorbing and superior number of ships. another point is that the nids don’t have any static targets like planets to attack, which the whole flood doctrine is centered around

  30. oprheus12 November 27, 2009 at 1:07 am -      #30

    @ space marine
    The flood are able to infect anything with sufficient biomass and a nervous system along with enough calcium.
    Humans arn’t the only species to fit this catagory. The flood have clearly been seeing infecting brutes and elites, which are indeed not HUMAN.

  31. L-W November 27, 2009 at 1:25 am -      #31

    How does that translate to the Tyranids though?

  32. Will December 9, 2009 at 12:04 am -      #32

    I realize this argument is probably way old but I’m putting in my two cents. The tyranids would win for the following reasons.

    1. They can make the soldiers they need, the flood can only infect and even the pure flood forms can’t stand against the Tyranids if Master Chief can kill them easy.

    2. The whole issu about the flood absorbing the Tyranids is basically mute. The Flood infects a greature by burrowing through their skin into their spinal cord and then mutating the boby to a form that they can fight with. They could very well do this to a Tyranid but only if they could penatrate they body armor which can with stand most normal weapons fire.

    3. They Tyranids would easily be able to digest the flood, like it was said earlier it may mess up a few gene pools, and when I say gene pool I literally mean a pool of liquid genetic material, but since the Tyranids can read and decode genetics like we read a book they would figure out the floods weaknesses, stregths, and the secret to their abilities in a very short time.

    4. But the biggest advantage that no one have really brought up it that the Tyranids have air support. Gargoyles, Harridan, and the hive ships are all things that the flood can’t hope to match. The flood can only fly premade ships, not make thier own and they can’t match the piloting skills of the Tyranids since the ships are alive.

    The Tyranids numbers, variety, and all around physical strength would end the flood as a problem for the galaxy once and for all.

  33. Yodakya December 19, 2009 at 12:23 am -      #33

    Also, if the Tyranids can take on Space Marines and match them at least and I’m pretty sure they could beat Master Chief then How could the Flood Stand up to the onslaught when they can’t stand up to the Chief.

  34. ScreamPaste February 9, 2010 at 8:24 pm -      #34

    Does this thread earn the Tyranids a FP Winner award? It seems pretty unanimously accepted that the Flood are screwed.

  35. truckman March 9, 2010 at 1:17 am -      #35

    they both assimilate stuff, if the Flood let themselves get eaten the the Nids won’t they consider it a win-win?

  36. xeno tyrant April 2, 2010 at 1:01 am -      #36

    the tryanids will beat the crap out the flood cuz thy eat every thing organic and stufflike that

  37. bobert December 8, 2010 at 1:23 am -      #37

    Tyranids for the win. Even the basic ammo-absorbtion fodder looks like a mutated velociraptor (in spaaaace!) on steroids. they are essentially one big organism that goes OM NOMNOMNOM on galaxies. flood is a bunch of stupid virous baloons hiding in corpes. flood regularly gets curbstomped by one guy in a military color iron man suit…thats missing all the fun guns and jets. tyranids regularly facewreck, curbstomp, roundhouse kick, and then eat whole armies made up of psychic space elves, hilariously comedic space orks (with a k, not a c, on purpose), and geneticaly modified supersoldier warrior-monks who roll with incredibly zealous and pyromaniacly battle nuns. The listed are all on the same team half the time (the other half the tyranids crashed the war they were having). flood is ruled by a stupid sea anenomie looking thing that speaks into your head using bad poetry. when the tyranid hive mind talks, you asked it a question (or just talked to it) and it just does this: you are PREEEEEEY! awsome case done here
    www.fanfiction.net/s/3678670/13/Chains_of_the_Kindred
    and statistically, there are more tyranids in your average small fleet than there ever have been, are, and will be, flood of any kind. if a tyranid were to look on the interwebs (before eating the computer it was using) and found this matchup it would facepalm, then die of laughter. then get essentially reincarnated because the tyrnid who died laughing (lets call him Phil) was found by his freind Bob, who proceed to preform the standerd funeral rites tyranids give to everything – Bob eats Phill, takes his biomass to the main (re)production pool, adds the biomass to already existing stores, and sooner or later (who are we kidding, sooner or sooner than that), jeff pops out. and so do thirty other guys. this is what happens to entire planets, as a reminder.

    translation? flood finds itself to be a light morning snak for hive fleet Behimoth on its way to the Aurelia subsector or wherever DoW 2: retribution takes place.

    also, carnifexes for the win. Dakkafex = facewrecked flood, anyone?

  38. LolMatLo1 January 31, 2011 at 9:52 pm -      #38

    the flood could infect a tyranid

  39. FisherKing January 31, 2011 at 10:09 pm -      #39

    “the flood could infect a tyranid”

    Hey, retard, you have to give reasons to support your claim. It really wouldn’t matter what you have to say as if Tyranids can create microscopic live forms of unimaginable potency then they can no doubt develop immunity to any sort of other bio-form, microscopic or otherwise. And here is my source on the Microscopic organisms the nids create.

    “They emit a spore cloud that resembles a sickly sweet yellowish vapour that conceals a highly sophisticated phage organism, inimicable to non-Tyranid life. Brief exposure causes nausea and uncontrollable spasms, leaving the weakened foe easy prey for the Venomthrope and other nearby Tyranids. If the enemy is unfortunate, or foolish enough, to be exposed to the Venomthropes’ emissions for more than a minute or so, the phage gains a foothold in its body. Reproducing at a horrific rate, it spreads throughout the victim’s system, breaking down organic tissue.” – 5th edition Tyranid Codex pg. 45

  40. angryangron March 23, 2011 at 6:12 am -      #40

    Tyranids will win
    I really cant be bother to say why because its been put up in at least 5 other posts.
    So you wana know why just scroll up the page.

  41. Wolfangel August 30, 2012 at 5:38 pm -      #41

    I think that this is stupid its too obvious bout 90% of replys say that its nid win

  42. Kyilez December 16, 2012 at 4:08 pm -      #42

    I have 3 questions for L-W, Matapiojo and alphacommando, since you were able to provide lots of details, you shouldnt have any problems answering this question:
    1 Someone from another thread mentioned something about every flood forms are far stronger than the hulk or thor, and were able to send any heavy vehicles fly in speed of light. Do you agree or disagree on that? and why?
    2 which species do you think possess an incredible strength?
    3 Can you tell me more details about why the tyranids are superior to the flood?

  43. TheSorrow December 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm -      #43

    You aren’t going to get your answers from them. 2 of the 3 aren’t even here anymore and the 3rd rarely comments.

    Someone from another thread mentioned something about every flood forms are far stronger than the hulk or thor

    The Flood do not even come close to Thor or Hulk in terms of strength. Whoever said that clearly don’t know their limits.

  44. Kyilez December 17, 2012 at 11:38 am -      #44

    Well, that was shocking….
    A genius quit debating…..

  45. Wolfangel December 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm -      #45

    flood attempts to control a ripper… will of the hive mind overpowers the puny gravemind… flood consumed as a nice snack

  46. Wolfangel December 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm -      #46

    END OF ARGUEMENT

  47. IamTaco August 18, 2013 at 11:27 am -      #47

    Unless the flood are limited to a couple of spore and infection forms and/or are literally right next to the Tyranids they win.

    The flood would totally be able to infect a tryanid btw.

  48. StealthRanger August 18, 2013 at 11:51 am -      #48

    I lol’d

    Prove it

  49. IamTaco August 18, 2013 at 12:03 pm -      #49

    I’m assuming that the flood have at least a single FTL ship here. Say a UNSC ship.

    They run away at first of course, using their single FTL ship. The tryranid can’t catch up to them in with their slow speeds. Then the flood infect planet after planet. Then using their complete knowledge of forerunner everything they make a couple of forerunner ships. Which then go about ruining the tryranid’s day.

    The flood now have vastly better bio-wank feats then the tryrainds which means that they should be able to infect a tryanid.

  50. StealthRanger August 18, 2013 at 12:10 pm -      #50

    “I’m assuming that the flood have at least a single FTL ship here. Say a UNSC ship.”

    OP does not say this anywhere, so yeah

    “They run away at first of course, using their single FTL ship. The tryranid can’t catch up to them in with their slow speeds.”

    Tyranid ships are also FTL (they don’t need to go into warpspace)

    “Which then go about ruining the tryranid’s day.”

    How? Forerunner ships were proven to be below GE/IoM level ships in DC and durability

    “The flood now have vastly better bio-wank feats then the tryrainds which means that they should be able to infect a tryanid.”

    Prove they can infect ‘nids plx

    Plus the Tyranids can also mindrape (hello Zoanthropes and Hive Tyrants)

  51. IamTaco August 18, 2013 at 12:36 pm -      #51

    ‘OP does not say this anywhere, so yeah’

    So you’re pitting a couple of flood spores against the entire tryranid race. Brilliant debating there. I assume that the flood have at least access to a couple of the assets they used hold before being killed off at the end of the trilogy.

    ‘Tyranid ships are also FTL ‘

    Out of the galaxy. In the galaxy they have to travel in sub-light speeds.

    ‘How? Forerunner ships were proven to be below GE/IoM level ships in DC and durability’

    Prove pls. Cuz the last I heard forerunners ships were vastly superior to anything in 40k other than the necrons.

    Anyway forerunner tech are a complete OCP to the tryranid. Such that if the flood/forerunners wanted to they could just defeat them without even engaging them in combat. In combat with forerunners ship at their disposal the flood probably won’t even lose a single ship.

    ‘Prove they can infect ‘nids plx’

    The flood at the forerunner saga can infect time-space itself. Like the common flood forms in sufficient number can cause some pretty weird space-time distortions and time dilation effects. The common flood form can also infect A.I just by getting close to one. Even if the flood can’t infect tryranids in the beginning I’m sure that they can adapt themselves to do so.

    ‘Plus the Tyranids can also mindrape’

    Yes, mind-rape the super intelligent psychic entity that’s older than the universe.

  52. MrRyder January 6, 2015 at 5:18 pm -      #52

    ‘The flood at the forerunner saga can infect time-space itself. Like the common flood forms in sufficient number can cause some pretty weird space-time distortions and time dilation effects. The common flood form can also infect A.I just by getting close to one. Even if the flood can’t infect tryranids in the beginning I’m sure that they can adapt themselves to do so.’

    ‘Yes, mind-rape the super intelligent psychic entity that’s older than the universe.’

    I have a feeling that both these scenarios would end in a stalemate. The big thing with the Tyranids is their mastery over biological adaptation to the point of why they are a part of the over the top 40k verse in the first place. Even if the Flood manage to infect the Tyranids, they’ll be able to counter it later. It’ll be like an endless game of stacking blocks on eachother.

    Same for the other scenario. Both species are macroorganisms, so it’ll be the endless intelligence of the Gravemind(Primordial?) Vs the unyielding hunger of the Hivemind.

    Also, don’t warp entities and the warp itself have some form of reality altering capabilities? I don’t know if it’s on the same level of the Flood’s though.

  53. Tyran January 6, 2015 at 5:56 pm -      #53

    @MrRyder.

    The Flood at the Forerunner saga would ram a Star Road through the Tyranids’ collective ass.

  54. GMoney January 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm -      #54

    “The Flood at the Forerunner saga would ram a Star Road through the Tyranids’ collective ass.”

    That’s flood with Precursor tech though, not the Flood by themselves. Not only that, but while the Flood may take the early advantage because the entire Tyranid Fleet is organic they will eventually be adapted to and the Flood will be cut down. The Tyranids have adapted to a metaphysical, self aware soul infecting virus before, the Flood wouldn’t be an issue. (Seriously, while the Tyranids are mediocre compared to most 40k factions there adaption to diseases is ludicrous)

  55. Tyran January 6, 2015 at 7:43 pm -      #55

    Precursor Tech is Flood tech, as the Precursors and the Flood are the same.

  56. GMoney January 6, 2015 at 8:41 pm -      #56

    “Precursor Tech is Flood tech, as the Precursors and the Flood are the same.”

    Not at all. The Precursors were an ancient super-advanced star faring race. The Flood is a bunch of Precursors who converted themselves into dust and eventually went insane and went on a genocidal quest to clense the universe of all life except Flood. They are two different things. Just like Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are two different people but the same being. The Flood and The Precursors may be the same race, but they are so much different from each other that they are considered separate from each other.

  57. Tyran January 6, 2015 at 9:00 pm -      #57

    Debatable.

    But still, the Flood know hows to operate Star Roads, they know how they work, it still is their technology.

  58. GMoney January 6, 2015 at 9:47 pm -      #58

    “Debatable.

    But still, the Flood know hows to operate Star Roads, they know how they work, it still is their technology.”

    The UNSC knows how Covenant Technology works, does that make it theirs?

  59. Tyran January 6, 2015 at 10:36 pm -      #59

    As they have been integrating that technology on their ships, yes.

  60. MrRyder January 6, 2015 at 11:01 pm -      #60

    I just want to add how funny it is that not to long ago, as far as I’ve seen atleast, Halo was regarded as one of the weaker sci-fi universes, maybe above ME but definitely regarded as below the likes of 40k and Metroid.

    But thanks to the power of expansive lore(aka books) it now seems like Halo is equal to or even surpasses 40k.

    Is Halo now above Metroid again?

  61. Tyran January 6, 2015 at 11:06 pm -      #61

    That only applies to the Forerunners (which back then were unquantifiable) and to the Flood. The UNSC and the Covenant are still nowhere near 40k.

  62. Blossom January 7, 2015 at 1:07 am -      #62

    The Tyranids came from a galaxy that they destroyed, they’re not messing around. Warhammer 40,000 is literally tens of thousands of years ahead of Halo. Once MC learns how to combat gods, then we can talk Halo vs 40k

  63. GMoney January 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm -      #63

    “The Tyranids came from a galaxy that they destroyed, they’re not messing around. Warhammer 40,000 is literally tens of thousands of years ahead of Halo. Once MC learns how to combat gods, then we can talk Halo vs 40k”

    I disagree. The only 40k race on par with The Forerunners in their prime and The Precursors would be the Eldar Empire before The Fall and The Fully Awakened Necron Empire.

  64. Blossom January 7, 2015 at 5:56 pm -      #64

    So you’re saying that the Pre-Heresy Imperium couldn’t destroy the Forerunners? I’d certainly pay to watch that fight, but the scope of the Imperium, and their technology, not to mention the Primarchs and The Emperor, tip the scales.

    Just a thought, what Class would the Foreunners label Mark VII “Errant” Power Armor?

    Also, it’s already been decided by the BankGambling community that Halo gets roflstomped by Warhammer 40k.

  65. Blossom January 7, 2015 at 6:23 pm -      #65

    Well, not exactly roflstomped, but it wasn’t any sort of close fight.

  66. Tyran January 7, 2015 at 9:38 pm -      #66

    Also, it’s already been decided by the BankGambling community that Halo gets roflstomped by Warhammer 40k.

    Because that was against current Halo, aka the UNSC and the Covenant remnants, which don’t have any hope against 40k. The Forerunners are another story.

  67. Blossom January 7, 2015 at 10:59 pm -      #67

    You seem to have forgotten that 40k’s current version, like Halo’s, is much weaker than the older version as well.

  68. Blossom January 7, 2015 at 11:07 pm -      #68

    That was horribly worded. What I meant to say was that current 40k is much less powerful than Pre-Horus Heresy 40k.

  69. Tyran January 7, 2015 at 11:17 pm -      #69

    The Forerunners wouldn’t be out of place in the old 40k universe, as they are in the same weight class as War in Heaven Necrons.

    Now Precursors are another thing, as their technology is practically magic to the Forerunner. But we lack feats of them, they are practically unquantifiable and impossible to debate.

  70. GMoney January 7, 2015 at 11:41 pm -      #70

    “So you’re saying that the Pre-Heresy Imperium couldn’t destroy the Forerunners? I’d certainly pay to watch that fight, but the scope of the Imperium, and their technology, not to mention the Primarchs and The Emperor, tip the scales.”

    The Imperium has never had more than 1 million planets. The Forerunners have 3 million. Forerunner ships can be built in hours where as 40k ships take years or decades to build. The Primarchs and The Emperor are irrelevant, while they would surely triumph over any individual Forerunner they are insignificant compared to the entire Ecumene. The Forerunners should have to display greater stupidity than they did dealing with the Flood to lose to the Imperium.

  71. Blossom January 8, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #71

    “The Imperium has never had more than 1 million planets. The Forerunners have 3 million.”

    So you’re basing this off of how many planets, not the populations? I’m fairly certain that the population of the average Imperial planet far outnumbers the population of the average Forerunner planet. The Forerunners were, after all, (taken from the halopedia) “…a wise, highly intelligent, noble beings and with a belief in justice, in peace…”. These people don’t sound like they cram billions of people onto every planet like the Imperium.

    “The Primarchs and The Emperor are irrelevant, while they would surely triumph over any individual Forerunner they are insignificant compared to the entire Ecumene.”

    I’m not going to turn this into a 40k wankfest, but the Emperor, after decaying for 10,000 years on a giant chair, can keep the four chaos gods at bay using his mind. He is, in all meanings of the word, a god. The Primarchs are basically toned-down versions of him. Also, he’s a Perpetual.
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Perpetual

    “The Forerunners should have to display greater stupidity than they did dealing with the Flood to lose to the Imperium.”

    So destroying a galaxy-spanning empire ruled by a god, with magic, superhuman soldiers, and quadrillions of loyal subjects, is small potatoes? Even with the Halo rings, that’s not an easy job.

  72. the_man_with The_Answers January 8, 2015 at 1:13 am -      #72

    Tyranids consume planets in weeks+. Flood consume planets in hours+.

  73. Neon Lord January 8, 2015 at 4:01 am -      #73

    Kinda diffwrent situation though aa they are trying to consume each other

  74. GMoney January 8, 2015 at 8:02 am -      #74

    “So you’re basing this off of how many planets, not the populations? I’m fairly certain that the population of the average Imperial planet far outnumbers the population of the average Forerunner planet. The Forerunners were, after all, (taken from the halopedia) “…a wise, highly intelligent, noble beings and with a belief in justice, in peace…”. These people don’t sound like they cram billions of people onto every planet like the Imperium.”

    Population is irrelevant. The Forerunners make ships up to 100Km long in days/weeks with superior firepower. The Imperium takes years and decades to build basic ships. By thre time The Imperial Fleet has even launched an attack, The Forerunner Navy will have already launched a Blitzkrieg attack with a backup fleet under construction.

    “I’m not going to turn this into a 40k wankfest, but the Emperor, after decaying for 10,000 years on a giant chair, can keep the four chaos gods at bay using his mind. He is, in all meanings of the word, a god. The Primarchs are basically toned-down versions of him. Also, he’s a Perpetual.”

    He’s not a God. His best feat was destroying A planetoid smaller than the moon and keeping the Chaos Gods locked up is an unquantifiable feat. The Primarchs are simply powerful warriors and great tacticians but they are roughly equivalent to a Space Marine what a space Marine is to a Human, which in this case, won’t be enough.

    “So destroying a galaxy-spanning empire ruled by a god, with magic, superhuman soldiers, and quadrillions of loyal subjects, is small potatoes?”

    For The Forerunners, Yes. Considering that the Imperium’s technology is completely inferior, less effiecent and their ships are less powerful, slower, and take longer to build, it is easy. It might take awhile if they don’t use The Halo Rings but they will win.

  75. MrRyder January 8, 2015 at 1:01 pm -      #75

    Out of curiousity, what’s the 40k verse up to now? I don’t have the codexes nor have I read the novels

  76. Tyran January 8, 2015 at 1:05 pm -      #76

    Essentially, the same as always.

  77. Blossom January 8, 2015 at 8:35 pm -      #77

    “He’s not a God. His best feat was destroying A planetoid smaller than the moon and keeping the Chaos Gods locked up is an unquantifiable feat. The Primarchs are simply powerful warriors and great tacticians but they are roughly equivalent to a Space Marine what a space Marine is to a Human, which in this case, won’t be enough.”

    warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind

    “The Emperor of Mankind is the immortal ruling monarch of the Imperium of Man…”
    ” The Chaos Gods and the daemons of the Warp refer to Him as “the Anathema” for He is the greatest embodiment of universal Order in the galaxy today.”
    “As noted above, it is the Emperor’s powerful mind, projected and amplified in the Immaterium by the arcane mechanisms of the Golden Throne, that guides and maintains the psychic beacon of the Astronomican empowered by the daily life forces of thousands of psykers.”
    “…the Emperor is capable of stopping time for undetermined lengths and guiding his servants through manipulation of his Tarot and sheer influence.”
    Taken from either the 40k wiki page or the Lexicanum page on The Emperor of Mankind. Those descriptions, by many people’s standards, make him a god.

    “The Primarchs are simply powerful warriors and great tacticians but they are roughly equivalent to a Space Marine what a space Marine is to a Human, which in this case, won’t be enough.”

    If by that you mean essentially unkillable by non-Emperor, non-Primarch means, then yes, you are correct.

    “For The Forerunners, Yes. Considering that the Imperium’s technology is completely inferior, less effiecent and their ships are less powerful, slower, and take longer to build, it is easy. It might take awhile if they don’t use The Halo Rings but they will win.”

    Mind you, this is Pre-Heresy Imperium, not shit-pile current Imperium. Big technology difference there.

    Yeah, current 40k has not changed at all. Fucking Gee Dubbs.

  78. Tyran January 8, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #78

    Blow the planet the Emperor and the Primarchs are on, if they somehow survive that, then they are stranded in space.

  79. Blossom January 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm -      #79

    How to solve any problem ever: blow a planet up. It’s 100% foolproof, and is one helluva good fireworks display.

  80. Tyran January 8, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #80

    Or blow the solar system if you want to be extra sure.

  81. Blossom January 8, 2015 at 10:30 pm -      #81

    Just blow up everything. Then nobody wins and we can get back to our “lives”.

  82. GMoney January 8, 2015 at 10:50 pm -      #82

    “If by that you mean essentially unkillable by non-Emperor, non-Primarch means, then yes, you are correct.”

    ..if we ignore Fulgrim getting wounded by a sniper, Fulgrim getting knocked out by Noise Marines, Dorn being killed by basic marines and cultists, perfectly cloned Primarch Horus getting murdered by Abaddon, Lorgar getting his hands blown off by a Bolter, Vulkan breaking his back from a 50M fall, Vulkan being killed by Full auto Shuriken Pistols, Vulkan being killed by a Furnace, Vulkan being killed by The Vacuum of Space, Vulkan being killed by a Night Lords Fireing Squad, Guilliman almost being taken down by Kor Phaeron, Guiliman almost being taken down by an Alpha Legion Headhunter Squad, Lorgar getting his hand blown off by a bolt round, Lorgar getting his skin and armor burnt off by a Plasma Blastgun, and many more that I’ve forgotten about. The only Primarch who could go up against an army with a chance of survival was Magnus The Red.

    “Taken from either the 40k wiki page or the Lexicanum page on The Emperor of Mankind. Those descriptions, by many people’s standards, make him a god.”

    Well considering he got his ass handed to him by a Warboss and his Bodyguard…

    “Mind you, this is Pre-Heresy Imperium, not shit-pile current Imperium. Big technology difference there.”

    Not a huge one. The only big difference was The Imperium’s understanding of Plasma and Repulsor Technology. Besides that, not much has decayed, except for the Imperial Political system, which works almost as poorly as 1984’s.

  83. Blossom January 8, 2015 at 11:22 pm -      #83

    Dorn: Missing and presumed dead. Not dead, mind you. Missing.
    Vulkan: A perpetual, like The Emperor. He can’t die.
    Abaddon: Warmaster of Chaos, blessed by all four chaos gods. Not your average space marine, closer to a primarch,
    All the other things you listed didn’t list them as dying, but getting injured. Mind you, I said “essentially unkillable”. Getting point-blanked by a plasma gun is logically an exception to that rule.

    I believe you’re talking about Gharkul Blackfang? He was nearly four times the size of the emperor. Look at this motherfucker’s Apoc sheet:

    www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/7/29/7986c5a6b826e4b8e1535afb8b2b55b9_20243.jpg

    That thing could give nearly any single Halo character a run for their money. That’s not “a warboss”.

  84. GMoney January 8, 2015 at 11:33 pm -      #84

    “Dorn: Missing and presumed dead. Not dead, mind you. Missing.”

    Curze has a vision of him dying, and in older fluff he was dead.

    “Vulkan: A perpetual, like The Emperor. He can’t die.”

    A Perpetual can die, they just always come back to life. Vulkan dies many times, he just comes back from death. And The Emperor is not a confirmed perpetual, it is only speculated that he is one.

    “Abaddon: Warmaster of Chaos, blessed by all four chaos gods. Not your average space marine, closer to a primarch,”

    Actually, this was Abaddon before becoming Warmaster or being blessed by the Gods.

    “I believe you’re talking about Gharkul Blackfang? He was nearly four times the size of the emperor. Look at this motherfucker’s Apoc sheet:”

    No, I’m talking about The Warlord of Gorro.

    “That thing could give nearly any single Halo character a run for their money. That’s not “a warboss”.”

    Yes of course, a basic Warboss could easily trash a team of Spartans in combat, I’m just saying that The Emperor isn’t nearly as powerful as many people say he is.

  85. Blossom January 8, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #85

    “Yes of course, a basic Warboss could easily trash a team of Spartans in combat, I’m just saying that The Emperor isn’t nearly as powerful as many people say he is.”

    Yeah, The Emperor isn’t a rape train of death and destruction. He’s just very, very powerful. His abilities can be outmatched, though.

    The Warlord of Gorro was about as big as a Mega Dread. Not Gharkul-sized, but big nonetheless.

    “Perpetuals are beings who are genetically modified to be effectively immortal, either through reincarnation or rapid cellular regeneration. Perpetuals are capable of surviving dismemberment, suffocation, and even decapitation, eventually regenerating each time.”
    Taken from the Lexicanum. It also says that The Emperor is a perpetual.

    Also, it’s funny that we’re debating this here, because this isn’t the 40k vs Halo thread.

  86. GMoney January 8, 2015 at 11:48 pm -      #86

    “”Perpetuals are beings who are genetically modified to be effectively immortal, either through reincarnation or rapid cellular regeneration. Perpetuals are capable of surviving dismemberment, suffocation, and even decapitation, eventually regenerating each time.””

    It’s says in the article that they survive through either rapid regen or reincarnation, which is what Vulkan does.

  87. pimpmage January 9, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #87

    “A Perpetual can die, they just always come back to life. Vulkan dies many times, he just comes back from death. And The Emperor is not a confirmed perpetual, it is only speculated that he is one.”

    OK, two perpetuals who know what perpetuals are pretty much referenced the emperor being one. An elder leader confused one of the said perpetuals on which perpetual he was talking about. The emperor’s title came up then. Also, the emperor himself referenced himself being a perpetual in the ‘Legion’ book. I am so sick of people saying its speculation seeing as games 40k writers have pretty much 99.99% confirmed he is a perpetual. All that is left to be shown is the literal sentence that makes him say Yes, I am indeed a perpetual like everyone and their mother has hinted at since the dawn of time.

    “The Warlord of Gorro was about as big as a Mega Dread. Not Gharkul-sized, but big nonetheless.”

    If the emperor literally one shot horus with a soul destroying mind blast, nothing stopped him from doing this with that warboss. He let it happen for a reason. To bond with horus.

  88. the_man_with The_Answers January 9, 2015 at 12:41 am -      #88

    “Kinda diffwrent situation though aa they are trying to consume each other”

    Assuming this is taking place around multiple planets or systems, the Flood have a crushing speed advantage in both transportation and infection rate, which gives them a massive number advantage early on and the ability to hit their absurd levels rather quickly. I mean, in an environment where FTL ships are relatively easily obtainable, the Flood could take over hundreds of planets in the time the Tyranids take 1.
    -

  89. Blossom January 9, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #89

    The Tyranids are more suited for fighting, not infecting. They might not be as fast as the flood, but they certainly hit much, much harder.

  90. pimpmage January 9, 2015 at 12:49 am -      #90

    Would the flood be equipped with stolen ships? Those are not constructs created by their race.

  91. Blossom January 9, 2015 at 12:52 am -      #91

    The flood would logically have stolen ships, but neither the description nor the picture have any mention of ships, so I’d say no. That one flood guy has a pistol, though.

  92. Neon Lord January 9, 2015 at 1:33 am -      #92

    “I mean, in an environment where FTL ships are relatively easily obtainable, the Flood could take over hundreds of planets in the time the Tyranids take 1.”

    But seeing as it would a be a neutral arena/galaxy….there most likely won’t be FTL ships lying around. Indeed, planets with life on them would also be rare.

  93. IamTaco January 9, 2015 at 4:53 am -      #93

    Honestly given how slow the tryanid’s FTL is, unless the flood start right next to the nids, they can just build those FTL ships the old fashioned way.

    Then the flood crushes the nids with forerunner level ships.

    GG

  94. GMoney January 10, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #94

    “If the emperor literally one shot horus with a soul destroying mind blast, nothing stopped him from doing this with that warboss. He let it happen for a reason. To bond with horus.”

    That’s complete speculation. The Emperor got beat/almost beat, fair and square. There was no BS bonding reason, he simply just isn’t as powerful as people think. And he did use his soul killing laser beam on the Warboss, just after Horus helped him out.

  95. the_man_with The_Answers January 10, 2015 at 2:22 am -      #95

    “Would the flood be equipped with stolen ships? Those are not constructs created by their race.”

    “Current Incarnation” would be the Flood circa the end of Halo 2, which gives them High Charity and a ~small~ fleet of Covenant ships.

    “But seeing as it would a be a neutral arena/galaxy….there most likely won’t be FTL ships lying around. Indeed, planets with life on them would also be rare.”

    To me, a neutral battlefield for a match like this would be a small galaxy rife with life, planets ranging technologically from natural worlds with little intelligent life, some with life at our modern technological level, and others yet with some early space polities with varying degrees of FTL. All of which provide minimal resistance against the Flood or Tyranids, essentially serving as resources for the two sides to use against the other.

    If this took place on a single planet, the Flood would have overridden it within a few hours given their “current” numbers. Leaving the Tyranids with a relative token force versus an ecosystem entirely made of Flood (Which means they get massive tentacle forms as well as mountainous Flood)

  96. Neon Lord January 10, 2015 at 2:47 am -      #96

    “If this took place on a single planet, the Flood would have overridden it within a few hours given their “current” numbers. Leaving the Tyranids with a relative token force versus an ecosystem entirely made of Flood (Which means they get massive tentacle forms as well as mountainous Flood)”

    Eh, it really depends if the Tyranids have the starting resources to duke it out afterwards then. If the nids win, then they get all the planet’s resources anyway. If they lose, well they lost what they expended.

  97. pimpmage January 10, 2015 at 11:01 am -      #97

    If sergeant johnson’s body found a way to combat the flood virus, the tyranids will be able to. If the flood can be countered with the right genetics, thats what tyranids are specifically tailored to do.

  98. Friendlysociopath January 10, 2015 at 11:28 am -      #98

    If sergeant johnson’s body found a way to combat the flood virus, the tyranids will be able to. If the flood can be countered with the right genetics, thats what tyranids are specifically tailored to do.

    Huh? Since when did Johnson combat the Flood?
    Edit: Ah, I think that was him being a Spartan actually.

  99. Tyran January 10, 2015 at 11:56 am -      #99

    We have no idea how Johnson survived the Flood, it can’t be the Spartan modifications, as the Forerunners had more modifications than Space Marines and that didn’t help at all.

    If you ask me there are 2 explanations:

    1: The infection form was defectuous thanks to the time in suspended animation, as we know that happened in some occasions.

    2: The Flood chose to not infect, just like it chose to not infect the Ancient Humans.

  100. the_man_with The_Answers January 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm -      #100

    “If sergeant johnson’s body found a way to combat the flood virus, the tyranids will be able to. If the flood can be countered with the right genetics, thats what tyranids are specifically tailored to do.”

    Sergeant Johnson never came into immediately infectious contact with the Flood. The comic “Breaking Quarantine” both proves that, and the fact that the Flood didn’t merely “ignore” him. And the Flood infect beyond a simple biological or genetic level, as shown by placing the consciousness of a Flood infected target into an entirely new body, only resulting in the body to quickly breakdown into Flood.

    Sergeant Johnson escaping from the Flood without infectious contact:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=82KIcRRl71M

    Also shows how strong the Flood can be in their simple combat forms, as well as a considerable amount of intelligence. Also shows Johnson being a total badass.

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