Master Chief vs Commander Shepard

Master chief vs Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)

I haven’t had a chance to play Mass Effect yet, so I’ll simply post this fight and let the comments dictate the winner…

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635 Comments on "Master Chief vs Commander Shepard"

  1. Galorian January 25, 2012 at 12:42 am -      #501

  2. VunderGuy January 25, 2012 at 3:11 pm -      #502

    @Galorian

    Sorry. I failed to also mention that I don’t watch anything the escapist produces either. Can you just give me a run down of what happends?

  3. Whatthecell January 25, 2012 at 3:32 pm -      #503

    “Sorry. I failed to also mention that I don’t watch anything the escapist produces either. Can you just give me a run down of what happends?”

    Nope, either you watch the video or you concede the point.

  4. erickyboo February 23, 2012 at 8:37 pm -      #504

    If Shepard was using his five second nuke weapon and they were at about 100m from each other… Wouldn’t John be able to reach him in less than five seconds? At 27.7m/s…

  5. blackbird March 23, 2012 at 3:40 am -      #505

    you can fight like the MC
    you can run like a leopard
    but you’ll never be better than Commander Shepard

  6. Whatthecell March 23, 2012 at 4:17 am -      #506

    Conservative calcs for Mass Effect handheld weapons put them at around twice as powerful as .50 BMG. Also, lolbiotics.

  7. Whatthecell March 23, 2012 at 4:44 am -      #507

    Anyway, in regards to the claims about 30mJ shields, here is a quote from Halo: The Fall of Reach.

    “A three-round burst ricocheted off the MJOLNIR armor’s energy shield. The shield’s recharge bar flickered a hairbreadth.

    The three remaining Marines opened fire—spraying bullets in a full-auto fusillade. Bullets pinged off the Master Chief’s shield. The shield status indicator blinked and dropped with each bullet impact—the sustained weapons fire was draining the shield precipitously. John tucked and rolled, narrowly avoiding an incoming burst of automatic-weapons fire, then sprang at the nearest Marine.”
    Pg.236 FoR

    A three round burst from an assault rifle causes the shield bar to noticeably flicker. Sustained fire from three marines causes the shield to drain, and is enough of a threat to prompt Master Chief to start dodging. This alone contradicts the idea that Master Chief’s shields are thirty megajoules, as if they were it would have taken literally dozens of bullets, or more, hitting the shield to cause it to drain by even a millimeter.

    www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/Halo3_MP_Isolation_1st-01.jpg

    That is the length of his re-charge bar, if a three round burst drained it by a ‘hair’s bredth’ there is no way that the Chief’s shields are thirty megajoules.

    Also, from First Strike:

    Halo: First Strike pg 12-14
    “That would risk nitrogen embolisms for his Spartans, but they were coming in at terminal velocity , which for a fullt loaded Spartan was-he quickly calculated-130 meters per second. They had to overpressurize the cushioning gel or their organs would be crushed against the impervious MJOLNIR armor when they hit. The acknowledgment lights winked again… although Fred sensed a slight hesitation.”

    “One hundred meters to go. His shield flickered as he brushed the tops of the tallest of the trees.
    He took a deep breath, exhaled deeply as he could, grabbed his knees, and tucked into a ball. he overrode the hydrostatic system and overpressurized the gel surrounding his body. A thousand tiny knives stabbed him-pain unlike any he’d experienced since the SPARTAN-II program had surgically altered him.
    The MJOLNIR armor’s shields flared as he broke through branches-then drained in one sudden burst as he impacted dead-center on a thick tree trunk. He smashed through it like an armored missile.”

    Hitting a tree at a velocity of 130m/s completely drained his shields. This even was calculated multiple times to be 4.5 – 5mJ. Nowhere near 30mJ. The person who did the 30mJ calcs, Reaper273, openly admitted that the calculations were based on a number of assumptions, and they also happen to be contradicted by the same books where he gets his information.

    There are other examples too, for example Guilty Spark draining Master Chief’s shields in a single blast in Halo 3 and, though I do not have the book, I remember people mentioning that there were scenes where *Flood Forms* punching Master Chief’s shields did noticeable damage.

    So yeah, I hope Reaper273 sees this post.

  8. Deus Ex Machina April 3, 2012 at 6:56 pm -      #508

    Thought I would mention that there are calcs that put the Widow as having a low-end firepower of around 10 megajoules, and that is the lowest of the low…
    .
    forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=217611
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    forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=217611&page=2
    .
    The bottom area of the first page and the beginning of the second. Although you can read through it all if you wish.

  9. the_man_with The_Answers April 23, 2012 at 7:10 pm -      #509

    “Thought I would mention that there are calcs that put the Widow as having a low-end firepower of around 10 megajoules, and that is the lowest of the low…”

    Not really actually. You have to take into account that the Widow weighs A LOT less than the gun it is being compared to, therefore, it would take LESS than its “low-end” firepower. In all fairness, it seems to be remarkably similar to the Stanchion from Halo.
    Small round? Check.
    Heavy, possibly shoulder breaking, recoil? Check.
    Crazy penetrative ability? Check.
    Explodes people when it hits? Check.

  10. Deus Ex Machina April 23, 2012 at 7:42 pm -      #510

    @tmwta yes I should have posted here to update this but the calc was revised to roughly 4.9 megajoules instead of 10, which is still hilariously powerful (like the Stanchion) but the Black Widow is terrifying, the same as the regular Widow, but with 3 shots in a clip, which running out of ammo is a gameplay mechanic.

  11. UnauditedCloud April 29, 2012 at 1:17 pm -      #511

    Mass Effect shield really are not that great when compared to some of the tech from Halo. While some may say that the shield in ME can stop a plasma rifle bolt, this may be true. But it’s not going to stop the Heat Dispersal. I can’t remember the exact specifics but it is hot enough to completely vaporize a Elites head. Also look at the difference in what the Shields are designed to block. In ME the guns fire sand grain sized bullets at huge velocity’s, While in Halo the rounds from a rifle are large but move slower.

    Reading some were I can’t remember it said that the Shields in ME only block thing going very very fast, like a round from one of their guns, so they don’t crush a chair if they try to sit on it. Would it be reasonable to say that the bullets in Halo move slow enough that they don’t trigger the Shields and simply bi-pass them?

    Soldier to Soldier, MC’s got the advantage hand’s down. He’s fought almost his whole life, and was trained since he was six. He was about 14-15 when the Covenant attacked so that give’s him about 34 years of military service, take a few year due to cry-sleep. Shepherd joined when he was 18, and is around in his 30’s (guess) at the end of ME3. Given that all we know about him prior to ME depends on what life he was given, it can be assumed that he really wasn’t in a war but was in skirmmish’s until the ME games.

    Here’s where it becomes important. If history’s taught us anything it’s that even the greatest superpowers can be defeated by weaker people ( something the US learned the hard way in Vietman.) So even if Shepard is more technelogicly advanced them MC, If he can’t figure out HOW to beat the MC then he’s lost.

    As Sun Tzu once said
    “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle”.

  12. Dr. Lowk McNinja April 29, 2012 at 1:42 pm -      #512

    “So even if Shepard is more technelogicly advanced them MC, If he can’t figure out HOW to beat the MC then he’s lost.”

    One would think being a trained soldier with the equipment to quickly drain his opponents shields and/or Freeze or slow him, then unloading on him would considered that a useful tactic.
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    “Would it be reasonable to say that the bullets in Halo move slow enough that they don’t trigger the Shields and simply bi-pass them?”

    An objects incoming at a high rate of speed is going to trigger the barriers. Regular bullets fit the bill for highspeed.
    Not only that but underneath the shield is bodyarmor that can take hits as well.

  13. UnauditedCloud April 29, 2012 at 4:55 pm -      #513

    How fast do rounds go in ME? Very very fast. Since the shields were designed to block round fired from their type of weaponry it is reasonable to say that it is not designed to block against something so slow compared to their own.

  14. TheSorrow April 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm -      #514

    “it is reasonable to say that it is not designed to block against something so slow compared to their own.”

    Prove it. It isn’t “reasonable” if you don’t have the feats, you can’t just assume it’s true.

  15. Kytheros April 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm -      #515


    Okay, admittedly Haloverse projectile small arms compare unfavourably with modern day projectile small arms. However … a bullet is still a bullet, and a ‘slow’ one (relatively speaking) is still moving at hundreds of feet per second.

    Anyways, I seem to recall KBs functioning against melee attacks, which are going to be vastly lower velocity than bullets.

    Also … I see “slow things being allowed through” as being a little bit like the shields in Dune.
    Plus, it’s designed to allow the user to pick things up and grab things. Relative velocities for picking things up and/or grabbing things is going to significantly below that of a bullet.

  16. UnauditedCloud April 29, 2012 at 5:19 pm -      #516

    @TheSorrow but you can’t assume that it’s false either. Thats the problem with a debate like this is that there’s so much grey area to determine a clear winner.

  17. TheSorrow April 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm -      #517

    “but you can’t assume that it’s false either.”

    Oh yes I can, it’s called burden of proof. You made a claim, now back that claim up or don’t bother bringing it up at all.

    I have no reason to think a bullet would pass through Shepard’s shields unless you can find something that supports your theory.

  18. UnauditedCloud April 29, 2012 at 5:43 pm -      #518

    It’s hard to say, there barely any information on the actual specifics of the shielding in ME. And it wan’t a theory, merely a rudimentary analiysis based on available data , facts present, and logic. Since the codex says that the KB block rounds from ME weapons (I’ve heard some where around Mach 6 to .3 the speed of light but I really can’t find a credible source) but will not activate under slow actions.

    (Take it that this is purely speculation backed by logical thinking) Now pretend your a scientist who’s creating this Shielding. You know that your guns fire at tremendous speeds but you don’t want the shield to crush the chair you’r sitting on. So you design them to activate when a object going around the same speed as a round from one of their fire arms comes near it.

    @Kytheros, While I haven’t read any of the ME novels I do believe the melee/KB deal is purely gameplay function. Think about it, if your shield won’t pop up if you fall onto your chair, then why would a punch,which isn’t going fast at all, activate them.

  19. TheSorrow April 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm -      #519

    @Cloud
    Give proof now or don’t talk about it. You can list all the reasons you want, but until you have the specs or some kind of cutscene showing the shields not activating when shoot by regular bullets, it’s all meaningless.

  20. Kytheros April 29, 2012 at 8:59 pm -      #520


    @Cloud – You do understand the velocity differentials between picking something up/sitting down, a melee strike, and a bullet, right?


    Also, and this could just be me misremembering something, aren’t the barrier threshold triggers specifically stated to be different on the palms and feet than those on the rest of the protected area?

  21. UnauditedCloud April 29, 2012 at 9:58 pm -      #521

    I honestly don’t know.

  22. Kytheros April 30, 2012 at 1:24 am -      #522

    Don’t know what?

  23. Messmaker April 30, 2012 at 1:42 am -      #523

    So who’s winning?

  24. Kytheros April 30, 2012 at 1:43 am -      #524

    @Messmaker – Shepard stomps his way to victory.

  25. fallstar thief April 30, 2012 at 1:43 am -      #525

    @kytheros
    i think its
    “aren’t the barrier threshold triggers specifically stated to be different on the palms and feet than those on the rest of the protected area?”
    @messmaker
    shepard

  26. Kytheros April 30, 2012 at 1:46 am -      #526

    @Fallstar – that would certainly be the logical point of query, but, since he thinks KBs aren’t going to be triggered by a bullet, I want to make sure I know where he’s confused.

  27. Messmaker April 30, 2012 at 1:52 am -      #527

    Heh. What version of shep is being used?

  28. therealbs June 28, 2012 at 3:27 pm -      #528

    current so ME. MC wouldnt even have his shields for this fight. shep overloads then uses cryo or inferno ammo. cryo freezes chief in place and then headshot from widow.

  29. UnauditedCloud June 28, 2012 at 9:49 pm -      #529

    God what was that? You think Master Chiefs just going to stand out in the open and let Shep take pot shots at him? Yes, Shep has better tech but truth be told, John is a better soldier that Shep can’t account to. To reference Starship Troopers, “There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men.” The MC’s faster, stronger, more resilient, and smarter than Shepard by a mile.
    On a side note, the Forerunner tech in Halo 4 is going to be interesting.

  30. fallstar thief June 28, 2012 at 10:00 pm -      #530

    “You think Master Chiefs just going to stand out in the open and let Shep take pot shots at him? ”
    considering chief a retard yes. he would just stand there

  31. StealthRanger June 28, 2012 at 10:04 pm -      #531

    “considering chief a retard yes. he would just stand there”

    True. MC sucks

  32. Atomic Lowk June 28, 2012 at 10:13 pm -      #532

    “Yes, Shep has better tech but truth be told, John is a better soldier that Shep can’t account to. To reference Starship Troopers, “There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men.”

    That would probably be somewhat helpful if it were say an regular guy or soldier with the weapons fighting MC. However it’s a highly trained Special force veteran cyborg. Which while not as taught as Chief is still competent enough to make good use of his tech/abilities against Chief.
    ==
    “considering chief a retard yes. he would just stand there”

    He is not.
    ===
    “True. MC sucks”

    Why?

  33. Commander Cobe July 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm -      #533

    fallstar and thief StealthRanger

    If you guys are serious, you are either retarded or ignorant

    if you are trolling, please stop

  34. SgCombine July 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm -      #534

    @Commander Cobe
    Don’t worry, they’re just trying to pick on some unfortunate fanboy.

  35. Commander Cobe July 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm -      #535

    “Don’t worry, they’re just trying to pick on some unfortunate fanboy.”

    Losers and Nolifers

  36. TheFuzzyHat January 20, 2013 at 5:18 am -      #536

    shepard can break the laws of physics and that is enough to beat chief

  37. Amm0vamp1r3 January 20, 2013 at 7:26 am -      #537

    They should death battle this

  38. DragonRebornSTOMP April 10, 2013 at 9:26 am -      #538

    Surprised no one’s been all ‘Hur Cheef beat prometheuns so he pwns Shep hur hur’. I say Shep still wins. Agreed?

  39. Kakine Teitoku July 26, 2013 at 6:36 pm -      #539

    @dragon
    I agree.

  40. Kyuuketsuki July 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm -      #540

    Chief Kicks His Ass

  41. Abbazorkzog October 26, 2013 at 7:07 am -      #541

    Master Chief stomps Default Commander John Shepard.

    MY Commander D.C. Shepard? Ho ho ho I don’t think so… he ended a war without even touching his gun. Sorry, my Shepard stomps MC and could easily take on the Halo universe in MC’s place, no doubt.

  42. Commander Farsight October 26, 2013 at 10:25 am -      #542

    I’m thinking Biotic Shephard shives Chief into a black hole (or kills him brutally sone other way with space magic)

    Non-Biotic Shepard, however, I think is barely beaten by MC.

  43. Watchdog Lowk October 26, 2013 at 10:39 am -      #543

    “Non-Biotic Shepard, however, I think is barely beaten by MC.”

    Even Non-biotic Shepard still has shield to let him survive most of chief’s weaponry, has the weaponry/gadgetry to take down Chiefs defenses easier, and the enhanced reflex/rt to keep track and react to him.

  44. Commander Farsight October 26, 2013 at 11:34 am -      #544

    @Lowk
    I’m not too well informed of Shepard, so I’ll take your word for it, lol.

  45. the_man_with The_Answers October 26, 2013 at 11:51 am -      #545

    “considering chief a retard yes. he would just stand there”

    He’s got an IQ beyond 160. He’s beyond the cut-off for genius level IQ. Makes sense when he can do stuff like Trig and Calc in his head in seconds, even though admitting “math isn’t his best subject.”

    “Master Chief stomps Default Commander John Shepard.

    MY Commander D.C. Shepard? Ho ho ho I don’t think so… he ended a war without even touching his gun. Sorry, my Shepard stomps MC and could easily take on the Halo universe in MC’s place, no doubt.”

    Chief stands a good chance at beating a soldier, engineer, or infiltrator, but I doubt Chief could beat a sentinel, adept, or vanguard.
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  46. Abbazorkzog October 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm -      #546

    “Chief stands a good chance at beating a soldier, engineer, or infiltrator, but I doubt Chief could beat a sentinel, adept, or vanguard.”

    True this. OK, so my Shepard (ME1 & 2) has a possibility of loosing, but my Shepard in ME 3, being a vanguard and all…yeah…

    “Even Non-biotic Shepard still has shield to let him survive most of chief’s weaponry, has the weaponry/gadgetry to take down Chiefs defenses easier, and the enhanced reflex/rt to keep track and react to him.”

    Actually this is a good point, his reaction time is on par with a SPARTAN-II’s on the upper levels of Adrenaline Rush, actually, at the max level of Adrenaline Rush time practically stands still, that is a completely whole other level above that of a SPARTAN’s.

  47. the_man_with The_Answers October 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm -      #547

    “Actually this is a good point, his reaction time is on par with a SPARTAN-II’s on the upper levels of Adrenaline Rush, actually, at the max level of Adrenaline Rush time practically stands still, that is a completely whole other level above that of a SPARTAN’s.”

    Not quite. Chief can melee takedown a squad of special forces soldiers, that are spaced out around him in circle with their guns pointed at him, in the time that it takes one marine soldier to take turn and let off a 3-round burst.

  48. OberHeresy October 26, 2013 at 9:07 pm -      #548

    Pluss, there is that whole thing Chief did of firing off something like ten shots to the point where the sounded like one, and managing to get headshots on all the relatively small targets, while running by at full speed, one handed. That right there shows a lot of things MC outclasses Shepard in.

  49. the_man_with The_Answers October 27, 2013 at 1:39 am -      #549

    “Pluss, there is that whole thing Chief did of firing off something like ten shots to the point where the sounded like one, and managing to get headshots on all the relatively small targets, while running by at full speed, one handed. That right there shows a lot of things MC outclasses Shepard in.”

    8 shots fired so fast they sounded like one, while running at 45mph, one-handed. All 8 shots hit the heads/necks of 4 separate targets on a rooftop.

  50. Namer October 27, 2013 at 2:26 am -      #550

    Not quite. Chief can melee takedown a squad of special forces soldiers, that are spaced out around him in circle with their guns pointed at him, in the time that it takes one marine soldier to take turn and let off a 3-round burst.
    .
    I’m pretty sure Shepard could do something like that with maxed or high-level Adrenaline (the excessively slow in-game heavy melees aside).

  51. OberHeresy October 27, 2013 at 3:03 am -      #551

    @TMWTA
    Ah, yes that’s it. I remember reading that, and I remember people bringing it up, but I couldn’t quite recall the specifics.
    @Namer
    Just because he can see something coming doesn’t mean he has the speed to react to it. Though I’m not sure how this Adrenaline Rush works, so I don’t know. What’s Shepard speed levels, as in CQC/body movement speeds?

  52. Watchdog Lowk October 27, 2013 at 4:31 am -      #552

    “What’s Shepard speed levels, as in CQC/body movement speeds?”

    Not sure on the specifics but everything around him seems to slow to a crawl except him.

  53. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 11:37 am -      #553

    “Not sure on the specifics but everything around him seems to slow to a crawl except him.”

    From In-Game Max Level Description – Heightened Adrenaline Rush: “Your reaction time is the stuff of legends. When you are “on,” enemies seem to stand still.”

    Time Dilation: +70.00%

    I don’t think even Kelly described enemies appearing to stand still…

  54. the_man_with The_Answers October 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm -      #554

    “Not sure on the specifics but everything around him seems to slow to a crawl except him.”

    From In-Game Max Level Description – Heightened Adrenaline Rush: “Your reaction time is the stuff of legends. When you are “on,” enemies seem to stand still.”

    Time Dilation: +70.00%”

    So seeing things about 3x faster than your average person (Time is at 30% “speed”)? That’s like the base combat reaction time for S-IIs, excluding MJOLNIR enhancements and “SPARTAN Time.” When Shepard is “on,” he’s comparable to a SPARTAN-II’s normal. When a S-II is “on,” well, stuff similar to this happens:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O3Dlujvyu0

    “I don’t think even Kelly described enemies appearing to stand still…”

    Kelly is so fast that not even other S-IIs can keep up with her in H2H. She has to intentionally slow herself down just so that other S-IIs don’t get their shit rocked when they spar with her. When Kelly is extremely faster than Chief, and Chief can take out an entire squad of armed and prepared special forces in H2H (Purposefully holding back so he wouldn’t kill them all, despite having been told that it would be ok if he did so) in the time that it takes the last one to react (Mind you, they already had their guns pointed at him, and they were spaced out around him), I’m pretty sure Kelly sees things at a virtual standstill when she’s “on,” without the implied hyperbole given by the adrenaline rush description.

    SPARTANs are also demonstratebly more agile and have demonstrated more skilled technical H2H combat technique, as well as having reach, strength, and weight advantages (Especially while in MJOLNIR). That’s pretty much all the advantages that you can have in a H2H encounter.

  55. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm -      #555

    I’m not really buying any of that TM. Sorry. There is no examples of a SPARTAN seeing things at standstill.

  56. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm -      #556

    “From In-Game Max Level Description – Heightened Adrenaline Rush: “Your reaction time is the stuff of legends. When you are “on,” enemies seem to stand still.”
    Time Dilation: +70.00%
    I don’t think even Kelly described enemies appearing to stand still…”

    Only numbers I really go by in the descriptions are the radius of the AoE. Not so sure on the other stuff. Like is that for a average human level or higher like peak?
    ===
    “When a S-II is “on,” well, stuff similar to this happens:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O3Dlujvyu0”

    Minus the flips thats kind of like what it’s looks like playing solider shepard. Run through a room, explosive ammo on, with one of the guns with the high ammo capacity/rapid fire, then slow everything down. It’s kind of seem unfair sometimes, like cheating.

    Run into a room it’s like
    “Oh no I accidentally ran into a group of enemies whatever shall I do”
    Blap, blap, bang, boom
    “done, NEXT!”

    Your left feeling satisfied, feeling like a badass and they are left sad thinking “that was quick, what the hell just happened?”

  57. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 4:34 pm -      #557

    “Minus the flips thats kind of like what it’s looks like playing solider shepard.”

    Scratch out ‘looks’. It “looks” slow because it’s from the Commanders perspective.

  58. the_man_with The_Answers October 28, 2013 at 6:12 pm -      #558

    “There is no examples of a SPARTAN seeing things at standstill.”

    Neither does Shepard. Things are slowed, but no where near a stand still. Namely because enemies can still turn, fire, and begin to roll while you’re “on.”
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf63i0seACM

    Second half of the video is adrenaline rush. Note how enemies were not at a stand still, and were still capable of dodging some of the powers, or moving out of the line of fire. You also can’t incapacitate a squad of enemies before you (A) run out of adrenaline rush and (B) take aim and shoot at you.

    “Minus the flips thats kind of like what it’s looks like playing solider shepard. Run through a room, explosive ammo on, with one of the guns with the high ammo capacity/rapid fire, then slow everything down. It’s kind of seem unfair sometimes, like cheating.”

    Except for you know, pretty much everything in that video. Chief was putting headshots through multiple enemies per second, while sprinting, and dual wielding. Not only that, but ME (2 and 3 more than 1) is, even for a soldier, highly cover-based. You try and pull the stuff Chief does, like facing dozens of enemies in open combat, on anything but casual, and you’ll be deader than dead.

    “Run into a room it’s like
    “Oh no I accidentally ran into a group of enemies whatever shall I do”
    Blap, blap, bang, boom
    “done, NEXT!””

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xE4xxffFqQ

    At about 3:35, it takes level 60 soldier Shepard using the awesomely powerful prothean particle rifle almost a minute to kill the four Cerberous soldiers through the glass. Hardly “I jump into a room and kill a dozen enemies in open combat before anybody knows what’s really happened.” A S-II could have done that so much faster, namely by taking them all out in H2H faster than they can do anything about it. You can also distinguish the “pace” of combat by looking at playing style. Typically in ME3 you use cover, and when you see an enemy, you wait for them to come out of cover. In Halo when an enemy takes cover, at least what I do anyways, is literally vault over their cover and engage them and their pals in CQC

  59. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm -      #559

    “Chief was putting headshots through multiple enemies per second, while sprinting, and dual wielding. Not only that, but ME (2 and 3 more than 1) is, even for a soldier, highly cover-based. You try and pull the stuff Chief does, like facing dozens of enemies in open combat, on anything but casual, and you’ll be deader than dead.”

    Strange I didn’t really have that much of an issue abusing AR. Even on hardcore.
    ===
    “At about 3:35, it takes level 60 soldier Shepard using the awesomely powerful prothean particle rifle almost a minute to kill the four Cerberous soldiers through the glass. Hardly “I jump into a room and kill a dozen enemies in open combat before anybody knows what’s really happened.”

    Last I checked, the Prothy rifle is only “awesomely powerful” after firing it for a few seconds and assuming you actually keep it on target. And he didn’t do that, did none of what I stated, or even used AR.

  60. Abbazorkzog October 28, 2013 at 7:24 pm -      #560

    “Second half of the video is adrenaline rush. Note how enemies were not at a stand still, and were still capable of dodging some of the powers, or moving out of the line of fire. You also can’t incapacitate a squad of enemies before you (A) run out of adrenaline rush and (B) take aim and shoot at you.”

    What proof do you even have that is even the Heightened form of the ability to begin with?

    Oh…

    “And he didn’t do that, did none of what I stated, or even used AR.”

  61. Draco October 28, 2013 at 8:46 pm -      #561

    Those slow-mo scene’s the enemies weren’t even close to stand-still, and those were more for dramatic effect than anything. unless they magically lost their speed when the Major jumped in.

    overall the covenant were able to keep up somewhat… and the spartens weren’t moving that fast overall.

  62. Watchdog Lowk October 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm -      #562

    Just played ME3 to make sure My memory was right. I don’t normally like speaking ill of my fellow gamers but that guy was doing terrible. Your able to take out at the least, three guys during AR in a few seconds.
    Also machine gun fire speed take a noticeable drop as well. That’s nothing notable, it just felt weird.
    ===
    “Chief was putting headshots through multiple enemies per second, while sprinting, and dual wielding.”

    Some of that Chief was just holding down the trigger and just waving the guns towards whatever he sees as an enemy. You can even see the bullets hit the walls a few time.
    Look at 1:00-1:04 he’s just holding the holding it out and hitting anything that happens to get in it way and when it’s not he’s shooting at the wall.
    ===
    “You can also distinguish the “pace” of combat by looking at playing style. Typically in ME3 you use cover, and when you see an enemy, you wait for them to come out of cover. ”

    Really, that kind of a boring way to approach things. I mean you got stuff for knocking or pulling people out of cover. A move that lets you race across the battlefield. Weapons and mod that that shoot through cover. The ability to make the world around you slower. Why waste all that on playing it like a gears of war simulator. Get up close and omnistab a guy then shotgun his friend in the face, your able to move faster then most your enemies…. At least if your soldier, vanguard, or sentinel, and there isn’t a heavy.
    ===
    “You also can’t incapacitate a squad of enemies before you (A) run out of adrenaline rush and (B) take aim and shoot at you.”

    Depends on the weapon your using and what enemy type. Regular foot soldiers you can, the more specialized enemies though are meant to be able to soak up alot of damage and are either enhanced and/or heavily shielded/armored. And Thanks to the gameplay limiting you, ya can’t just run up and choke a phantom then slap the shit out of her with your omniblade. Which he would actually capable of since Shep is to able engage the guy with similar cybernetic enhancements in melee.

  63. BC October 31, 2013 at 9:25 pm -      #563

    The kind of wade in and waste tactical style that MC uses is largely possible due to the heavy armor and light weapon environment in Halo. Most UNSC rifles (except the slow firing anti-material ones) are in the big game hunting range of power while the accelerator pistols and light carbines are about the power of a .50cal BMG. Johns armor would not hold out against a horde of those out in the open any better than the lighter armor and barrier combination ME uses would. MC would wade in and GET wasted if he tried doing like that and he would be smart enough to take cover and snipe the same way the ME personnel do facing ME weapons.

  64. SpecificWinter1 October 14, 2014 at 8:29 am -      #564

    So, correct me if I am wrong here in asking this, but why would Chief and Shep. fight to begin with? I mean they both have the same reasoning behind their existence, “To fight for the human race.” (unless you go for the other shep. who saves the council…we don’t talk about him lol jk.) So really, wouldn’t they be on the same side? The only reason I bring this up is because every one here who has ANY sense is talking about “this round has this much force.” or “these shields can deflect this.” and all are VERY good reasons why one side has an advantage over the other. So, to give my own opinion, this fight would not happen. Not because they are from two different times but (halo happened {centuries? i cant remember the 2 years of the games} before Mass Effect) but because they are both on the same side. But that might be me giving a reason for not letting them fight…I do so love both of them lol.

  65. KASHMIRE777 November 8, 2014 at 3:29 pm -      #565

    So shepard wins?

  66. Jolttra November 8, 2014 at 10:05 pm -      #566

    Why do people over estimate Master Chief so much on this site? It’s so God damn annoying.

    Adept and Vanguard Shepherd would tear Chied in half with Biotics. Infiltrator and Engineer Sheperd would disable all of Chief’s tech, leaving him without weapons shields or even a HUD. Sentinel Sheperd would outlast Chief, his various health and shield boosting moves leave him almost invulnerable and he can still use moves like Lift and Thrown to knock Chief around a bit. Soldier Sheperd is the only one that might have problems. But his far superior weapons, armor and shielding should more then tip the scale in his favor.

  67. Friendlysociopath November 8, 2014 at 10:51 pm -      #567

    I wouldn’t say overestimate, he’s got pretty clear examples of how fast, strong, and durable he is. It’s just he had so long where he was chucked against people he had no chance against that people started feeling bad for him and actually defended the guy.

    Shepard still owns MC mind you, but Chief generally got the short end of the stick a lot around here by the looks of it. There was even a team battle to see who could get MC’s head first…

  68. Jolttra November 8, 2014 at 11:00 pm -      #568

    “It’s just he had so long where he was chucked against people he had no chance against that people started feeling bad for him and actually defended the guy.”

    I think it’s less feeling bad for him and more “Halo beats Everything!” Kind of mentality. Just look at the totally one sided battles he is in with people still trying to argue for him. He has fought Superman, Spiderman, Darth Vader, Samus, Boba Fett, Cloud, and many more. It’s obvious someone here thinks he can win. Anything involving Halo seems to get a wanking here. Look at any debate with the Covenant. Or the Infinity vs Malevolence debate. Or anything with the Forerunners.

  69. Friendlysociopath November 8, 2014 at 11:11 pm -      #569

    No… pretty sure most of those were spite matches just to see how hard some Halo fans would follow MC and say he would win.

    And on the surface, MC vs Samus looks like a decent idea, it’s only when people start saying she throws out way more power than the developers likely intended that it becomes a stomp.
    MC vs Spiderman… let’s be honest, everyone underestimates Spiderman.

    Also, didn’t he actually win against Boba Fett?
    Edit: Nope, EU broke the hell out of Boba.

    “Also quickly, before forerunner weapons become standard equipment for Chief. Award Shepard the award.”

    Thought that already happened? I think I’ve seen it elsewhere on this site but I forget where.

  70. Warlock Lowk November 8, 2014 at 11:11 pm -      #570

    “But his far superior weapons, armor and shielding should more then tip the scale in his favor.”

    Actually I think Chief has the advantage in armor and shielding.
    Also quickly, before forerunner weapons become standard equipment for Chief. Award Shepard the award.

  71. Warlock Lowk November 8, 2014 at 11:22 pm -      #571

    “MC vs Spiderman… let’s be honest, everyone underestimates Spiderman.

    Also, didn’t he actually win against Boba Fett?”

    Spiderman is sort of debatable in that chief does have enough in the way of strength and weaponry to hurts Spidey. But Spidey is just too fast and has a pre-cog.

    And no but if there where a rematch, maybe. Unless the boba movie makes him into a real badass like the EU did.

  72. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 12:12 am -      #572

    “Actually I think Chief has the advantage in armor and shielding.”

    No. He doesn’t. Mass Effect Weapons are much stronger then Halo weapons and Sheperd can take more punishment the Chief.

    “Spiderman is sort of debatable in that chief does have enough in the way of strength and weaponry to hurts Spidey. ”

    Strength, no. Spiderman lifted a tank over his head and threw it like a basketball. That is way more then MC’s. He is also significantly faster, has webbing that could stop the Hulk, and can survive a grenade to the face without armor. He would crush Chief.

  73. Alpha or Omega November 9, 2014 at 12:23 am -      #573

    Chief loses here. However, I do think it’s fair enough to give Shepard the reward.
    /
    @FriendlySociopath
    “Also quickly, before forerunner weapons become standard equipment for Chief. Award Shepard the award.”
    Thought that already happened? I think I’ve seen it elsewhere on this site but I forget where.”
    /
    It was in the comic Escalation, but he only had them because he ran out of ammunition.
    /
    At the end of his comic, everyone in blue team, except for 117, had a Forerunner weapon.
    /
    “And on the surface, MC vs Samus looks like a decent idea, it’s only when people start saying she throws out way more power than the developers likely intended that it becomes a stomp.”
    /
    Actually, the Master Chief vs Samus, I’m pretty sure of, had to do with their rivalry during the early 21st century where we had two people in power armor fighting colorful aliens instead of a fair fight.
    If you look at MC vs SA in google, it has stemmed back since 2003 or 2004.
    And then Metroid Prime Hunters came in 2006 and gave her a nuke.
    /
    “MC vs Spiderman… let’s be honest, everyone underestimates Spiderman.”
    /
    I actually can’t thing of a reason why he was pitted against Spiderman anywhere.
    They have nothing obviously in common
    /
    “Also, didn’t he actually win against Boba Fett?
    Edit: Nope, EU broke the hell out of Boba.”
    /
    As much as I like Fett, he has been nerfed hard.
    Literally some of his good weapons came from the Legends EU, and without them, he’s pretty much going down.
    I don’t think it was suggested to be Legends EU Fett in that much.
    On the bright side, some guy at Star Wars said that George Lucas said he survived the Sarlacc Pit after rebranding Legends EU.
    /
    Edit
    @Jolttra
    “Strength, no. Spiderman lifted a tank over his head and threw it like a basketball. That is way more then MC’s. He is also significantly faster, has webbing that could stop the Hulk, and can survive a grenade to the face without armor. He would crush Chief.”
    /
    Jolttra, he’s not saying Chief is stronger than Spiderman.
    He’s saying he has the strength to HURT him.
    If you look at Spiderman vs 117, Lowk has said that Spiderman is stronger than John-117.

  74. Jake_Uzumaki November 9, 2014 at 12:31 am -      #574

    he did crush MC….3 times.

  75. Alpha or Omega November 9, 2014 at 12:34 am -      #575

    Wow, I made so many typos.
    /
    “Chief loses here. However, I do think it’s fair enough to give Shepard the reward.”
    /
    Meant to say award, not reward.
    He’s not getting cake.
    /
    “I actually can’t thing of a reason why he was pitted against Spiderman anywhere.”
    /
    ‘Think’ instead of ‘thing.’
    /
    “I don’t think it was suggested to be Legends EU Fett in that much.”
    /
    Match instead of much.
    /
    Edit
    @Jake
    “he did crush MC….3 times.”
    /
    Half-Life 3 confirmed.

  76. Warlock Lowk November 9, 2014 at 12:40 am -      #576

    “No. He doesn’t. Mass Effect Weapons are much stronger then Halo weapons and Sheperd can take more punishment the Chief.”

    Let me rephrase, Chief’s shield and armor is a bit more durable then Shepard’s.
    True Shepard does have the advantage in weaponry, such as mods to bring down shields and eat through armor. But if say hit by the same significant force, Chief’s is a bit more resilient.
    ===
    “Strength, no. Spiderman lifted a tank over his head and threw it like a basketball. ”

    Not talking in an arm wrestling sense. If Chief was by some slim chance to strike Spidey he possesses strength enough for it to actually hurt.
    ===
    “He is also significantly faster, has webbing that could stop the Hulk, and can survive a grenade to the face without armor. He would crush Chief.”

    I already mentioned he’s fast. And it doesn’t mean Chief doesn’t have option that can kill him. It means that spidey abilities are enough to keep him from being killed and allowing him to do the killing instead. IE an FP award worthy match.

  77. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 1:01 am -      #577

    “But if say hit by the same significant force, Chief’s is a bit more resilient.”

    Let’s assume ME and Halo weapons were eqial. Sheperd’s armor and shields take way more punishment before going down. But they are not equal weapons. So the advantage is even greater in Sheperd’s favor.

  78. the_man_with The_Answers November 9, 2014 at 2:28 am -      #578

    “Let’s assume ME and Halo weapons were eqial. Sheperd’s armor and shields take way more punishment before going down.”

    The fact that Shepard’s body was turned to mush after an orbital impact, and Chief has gone through orbital impact twice (Once without shields even, and with more stuff falling on him afterwards) and gotten up without so much as a sprained ankle begs to differ. Also other crazy things like being hit with fuel rods and excessively high-caliber rounds. He’s also survived close proximity to Covenant capital ship weapons, which can cause damage to UNSC ships by radiative heat in vacuum. Shepard hasn’t been shown to be nearly as durable.

  79. OriginalA November 9, 2014 at 3:01 am -      #579

    “The fact that Shepard’s body was turned to mush after an orbital impact, and Chief has gone through orbital impact twice (Once without shields even, and with more stuff falling on him afterwards) and gotten up without so much as a sprained ankle begs to differ. ”

    I beg to differ.

    Shepard’s body was sufficiently intact to be rebuilt. He fell from high orbit. The bits of armor that you can recover are mostly intact. The helmet is intact. Legion’s chest piece, which was Shepard’s, is intact except for that hole where he was shot. Shepard’s innards were obviously not mush because if he brains were complete paste then they would not have been able to do anything with it. The clone in the Citadel DLC is for extra parts; not complete replacement of the original, so at least some important parts of Shepard are the original parts. From a terminal velocity impact, this is very impressive. Shepard was also choking at the same time too because his air supply was cut. Kinda hard to breath without air, and that would have depressurized Shepard’s armor as well while in vacuum.

    MC fell from sufficient height to hit Terminal Velocity, so the actual distance isn’t seriously important. He doesn’t die so that’s good. He obviously has better shock absorption capabilities that better guard against blunt force trauma (like face planting into a planet from 2km up).

    One major difference though is speed. MC jumped out of a ship in Halo 3 from 2km up (which is the same drop I’ve been referring to this whole time; I don’t know the other occurance that TMWTA is referring to), and while he was going fast enough for friction to burn away at the door he was riding on… Shepard was in orbit. That puts his starting velocity in the 1000’s km per second. Given that he probably had a de-orbit time of somewhere between 4 minutes to 15 minutes that’s still a massive deceleration and the fact that the armor survived it shows insane burn resistance. And it held together during an uncontrolled de-orbit at prodigious speeds. Shepard’s change in velocity certainly is up there with the most high end numbers from halo.

    Also, IIRC, MC’s armor is made out of the same stuff that capital ship armor is made out of… so he really should be melting from those close calls from space based weapons if they melt capital ship armor with close misses.

  80. the_man_with The_Answers November 9, 2014 at 3:26 am -      #580

    “Shepard’s body was sufficiently intact to be rebuilt.”

    Taking two years and shitloads of money

    “One major difference though is speed. MC jumped out of a ship in Halo 3 from 2km up”

    Considering that Keyship is like, 14 kilometers long. I’d say he was a little higher than 2km when he made that jump.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124037/3694631-9459456664-maste.jpg

    Yeah……
    That’s a LOT higher than 2 kilometers. Also note that the heat is hot enough to MELT a battle rifle.

    ” I don’t know the other occurance that TMWTA is referring to”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6dyb-whupg

    4:45
    Note the lack of shields (And the fact that despite all the explosions and shrapnel being thrown around, his suit was not punctured)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftC46K-3rtM

    Immediately after. See that fireball? That’s Chief. Note how he’s landing on straight metal and hard ground, then has to move metal off of himself when he gets up (implying that it fell on him afterwards). Get’s up and keeps trucking with zero sign of injury.
    -

  81. OriginalA November 9, 2014 at 5:42 am -      #581

    I’ll concede the 2km argument because I found where it came from and it is a minimum estimate. Evidence suggests that it was higher. If you are curious, it comes from a marine commenting that he fell “2 kilometers. Easy.” … sooo yeah, not a very informed expert on the subject.

    As for the picture: Halo 3 cutscenes (higher canon) as well as Halo Landfall/Last One Standing live action commercials suggest a much lower altitude for MC’s exit from the Keyship, and the lower altitude as well as lower speed would have prevented any melting of titanium weapons.

    A higher canon source, and more canon sources, put MC’s falling height at lower than Shepard’s as well as a lower speed too.

    The cutscene from Halo 4 shows an intact MA5D, which is also made out of titanium, that sustained no damage. This suggests it is a low gravity world since an orbital drop would have heated any object to at least set off the combustible gas inside the bullets if it was normal gravity. Also the velocity is too slow to be Earth-like anyways, or he didn’t reach Terminal Velocity, which I actually doubt.

    The Halo 4 feat is actually rather unimpressive compared to anything but the absolute lowest interpretations of the Halo 3 fall.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hia_m36pEpA

    Watching the ME2 intro again, and that planet is spinning fast, except that that planet is A) huge by having a radius that is 30% longer than Earth’s, and B) spins really slow since it has a 59 hour long day. So for it to be appear to be spinning that fast Shepard must have been booking it while going against the rotation of the planet. Because of orbital mechanics, this makes Shepard’s relative speed to the surface even faster! It has a lower gravity, but also a lower atmospheric pressure, which means that while he won’t accelerate from gravity as quickly (which doesn’t matter because he is starting at beyond terminal velocity) the thinner atmosphere means that he will slow down less due to lower wind resistance, thereby giving him a higher terminal velocity.

    Also, unlike the Halo 4 example, Shepard is at ground zero of an explosion when he starts his zero g journey. MC goes through an explosion so minimal that even in zero g it does nothing to effect his trajectory. … that means it didn’t interact with him at all.

  82. Namer November 9, 2014 at 5:55 am -      #582

    Taking two years and shitloads of money
    .
    That’d be more representative of ME’s medical tech than of Shepard’s armour. The main point here is that Shepard’s brain was almost perfectly intact, as was most of his body, even after the fall.
    .
    Also, Chief’s Suit does have a dedicated layer for shock absorption. ME Hardsuits don’t. It may make all the difference for falling from orbit, but it matters somewhat less in a direct fight.

  83. Friendlysociopath November 9, 2014 at 9:05 am -      #583

    Wait a minute, Shepard’s armor is shattered into pieces when he lands, where’s any sort of proof his body survived in a complete form?

    They mention having to reconstruct his entire bone structure. That’s pretty smashed. His organs had also been destroyed, hence the need for a clone to get parts from. Why does everyone just assume the brain was intact?

    I understand from a logical point of view that we think the brain had to survive for Shepard to live again, but sci-fi tech kinda trumps logic.

  84. Jolttra November 9, 2014 at 10:53 am -      #584

    “The fact that Shepard’s body was turned to mush after an orbital impact, and Chief has gone through orbital impact twice (Once without shields even, and with more stuff falling on him afterwards) and gotten up without so much as a sprained ankle begs to differ.”

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/M-Spec_Reentry_Pack

    See that? That is an orbital re entry pack. This allowed Nobel Six to survive a fall much greater the Chief did. As you can see it’s not that big. And the Spartan II version is even smaller. So the argument could be made the Chief has one built right into his suit.

    As for any mention of Shepherd’s body surviving, Sheperd from 2 on is a clone. Learn your facts peoples..

  85. the_man_with The_Answers November 9, 2014 at 12:46 pm -      #585

    “A higher canon source, and more canon sources, put MC’s falling height at lower than Shepard’s as well as a lower speed too.”

    Again, the Keyship is like, 14km long. I think it’s a lot higher than you think it is.

    Halo Uprising
    scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10015077_738599276192121_38709745_o.jpg

    That’s how Chief was shortly before he made his jump. Halo Uprising is book-level canon, and isn’t really contradicted by Halo 3 opening.

    “he cutscene from Halo 4 shows an intact MA5D, ”

    Which could have been in another part of the ship and coincidentally landed near Chief after impact. We definitely know that it wasn’t on Chief as we saw in the cutscene prior.

    “This suggests it is a low gravity world since an orbital drop would have heated any object to at least set off the combustible gas inside the bullets if it was normal gravity.”

    I’m sure that’s exactly what was on 343i’s mind when they made that cutscene.

    “Also the velocity is too slow to be Earth-like anyways, ”

    What gives you that impression?

    “This suggests it is a low gravity world”

    Except we never see any low gravity affects on Requiem. Actually, we know specifically that its gravity is 0.987 G. So it’s “low gravity” as in its gravitational acceleration is only 9.68m/s^2 not 9.81. He experienced that fall with no shielding, and then had more stuff hit him after he landed.

    “Watching the ME2 intro again, and that planet is spinning fast, except that that planet is A) huge by having a radius that is 30% longer than Earth’s, and B) spins really slow since it has a 59 hour long day. So for it to be appear to be spinning that fast Shepard must have been booking it while going against the rotation of the planet. Because of orbital mechanics, this makes Shepard’s relative speed to the surface even faster! It has a lower gravity, but also a lower atmospheric pressure, which means that while he won’t accelerate from gravity as quickly (which doesn’t matter because he is starting at beyond terminal velocity) the thinner atmosphere means that he will slow down less due to lower wind resistance, thereby giving him a higher terminal velocity.”

    Which is all good and all until you realize that, even if shrapnel didn’t puncture his suit, he still would have been dead, considering, like FS said, his skeleton was shattered and organs destroyed. Which means he wasn’t even close to surviving that impact. Chief on the other hand walked away perfectly fine after both cases. Not even a limp, and he didn’t even seem disoriented.

    “See that? That is an orbital re entry pack. This allowed Nobel Six to survive a fall much greater the Chief did. As you can see it’s not that big.”

    If by “not that big” as “roughly the size of N6’s torso”

    “And the Spartan II version is even smaller.”

    Only if you fail at reading:

    “This is very different from the pack that is used by the Spartan-II’s. This one is also smaller, but never seen in action.”

    “This one” referring to the M-spec used by NOBLE 6, considering we know what the “S-II” one looks like and does.
    As you can see by the following pictures:
    www.halopedia.org/images/a/a1/Spartan-062.jpg
    www.halopedia.org/images/c/c1/Maria_Reentry.jpg

    It is vastly larger than the M-Spec one. Not only that, but Maria was specifically testing the Mark VI MJOLNIR armor, and as you can see, the orbital re-entry pack is clearly a (very large) extra add on that Chief’s suit does not have integrated.
    -

  86. Warlock Lowk November 9, 2014 at 2:05 pm -      #586

    Partaining to the shepard thing. Enough of his/or her body was intact to resemble a human shape, but it was mangled beyond recognition as shown in Liara’s comic.
    ===
    “As for any mention of Shepherd’s body surviving, Sheperd from 2 on is a clone. Learn your facts peoples.”

    Shepard from ME 2 on is the orginal. He’s more frankencyborg then before but he is the original.

  87. Friendlysociopath November 9, 2014 at 3:45 pm -      #587

    Uh, could I get a scan of the comic that shows Shepard’s body is mostly intact? I’ll concede the point in the face of evidence.

  88. Warlock Lowk November 9, 2014 at 4:25 pm -      #588

    “Uh, could I get a scan of the comic that shows Shepard’s body is mostly intact?”

    Nevermind. I found comics. I had though they had shown a silhouette when they were talking about Shepard. I was wrong.
    Instead there are just comments that they are surprised that there that much left, human body can take some punishment, and that you can’t tell if it’s a man or woman.

  89. Centurion-A001 November 9, 2014 at 5:43 pm -      #589

    So we’ve established that Master Chief can fall from low-high orbit better than Shepard can, but Shepard still wins, right? His shields and weapons would still enable him to kill the Chief in a timely fashion, I would think.
    .
    Chief’s shields and armor are designed for bullets, some plasma fire, and blunt force trauma. Not sand-sized shards of metal flying at relativistic speeds. Plus Shepard has shield that would do perfectly against Chief’s weapons, and ammo types that would cut down Chief’s shields and slow him/disable him/kill him in very quick order.
    .
    So Commander Shepard still wins right? Did Chief get some beefing up in Halo 4 that I don’t know about?

  90. KASHMIRE777 November 9, 2014 at 5:47 pm -      #590

    +1 for shepard

  91. Warlock Lowk November 9, 2014 at 5:57 pm -      #591

    “Chief’s shields and armor are designed for bullets, some plasma fire, and blunt force trauma. Not sand-sized shards of metal flying at relativistic speeds. ”

    Last I checked Halo’s shields don’t really seem to be that picky over what they work against.

  92. Centurion-A001 November 9, 2014 at 6:05 pm -      #592

    “Work against” is a misleading way to put it. Dune’s energy shields only work against things moving above or at a certain velocity. Chief’s shields simply aren’t designed with Mass Effect type weaponry in mind.
    .
    As I put it, sand-sized shards of metal flying at relativistic speeds would be more effective against shields and armor not designed with them in mind. Add to that EMP, thermite-laced, and super-cooling special ammunition wielded by a pretty impressive cyborg, Chief is kinda fucked.
    And that’s not even counting all Shepard’s other super-weapons. Like that one that shoots black holes.
    .
    +1 for Commander Shepard.

  93. OberHerr November 9, 2014 at 6:21 pm -      #593

    MC’s shields work just fine against weapons that fire FTL shots of hardlight. I’m pretty sure they would work fine against ME weaponry.

  94. Zazax November 9, 2014 at 9:15 pm -      #594

    “MC’s shields work just fine against weapons that fire FTL shots of hardlight. I’m pretty sure they would work fine against ME weaponry.”
    Apples and oranges, I’m afraid. Photons have no mass, and therefore no kinetic energy/impact force. They must hurt you through some other means. Until we can determine what that is, it’s not proof of Chief’s armor blocking relativistic kinetic shots.

    Also, the orbital debate is entirely pointless. It’s evidence for impact absorption when ME’s weapons by their very nature are penetrative.

  95. OberHerr November 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm -      #595

    Its hardlight. HARD. LIGHT. HARD. As in, mass. All Forerunner things, or most, are made of light made into a structure. So, yes. We can assume it is. Plus, its shown to react at FTL speeds to an energy source hitting it. We already know it blocks kinetic attacks. Its always up. Therefore, boom. It will block the ME rounds. Now how long or well it would hold up is another issue.

    And penetrative requires impact. Thats like saying armor that blocks a round that will go through a tank isn’t going to block a really heavy rock hitting it. Basically, if your armor can hold up so well against AP rounds, it should also have very good impact absorption to catch the blow of such rounds.

  96. KASHMIRE777 November 9, 2014 at 9:38 pm -      #596

    what are the stats on the hardlight?

  97. OberHerr November 9, 2014 at 9:49 pm -      #597

    Varies. The Binary Rifle disintegrates fully sized Hunters and their armor in a shot. Same with the Incinerator Cannon.

    Its not like they all fire the same thing granted. Some fire at slower rapid fire speeds.

  98. KASHMIRE777 November 9, 2014 at 9:55 pm -      #598

    MC armor can handle that?

  99. the_man_with The_Answers November 9, 2014 at 10:34 pm -      #599

    The thing is, both combatants are wearing armor and shielding that make the other’s weapons irrelevant for all practical purposes. Assuming 1-2MJs for Chief’s shields, that’s somewhere between 80 and 160 shots to down those shields. Which is a fuck lot of shots to get on Chief before he gets to cover or closes the distance.

    Same goes for Chief. It’s going to take him ~90 shots to do the same scaling estimated Avenger energy and in-game numbers for damage and shielding then comparing them to Chief’s weapons. Neither is going to be putting 90 shots on the other. A grenade from either should do about the same. Halo grenades actually tend to be fairly impressive. Which means they are going to end up in CQB, which heavily favors Chief.

  100. Zazax November 9, 2014 at 10:44 pm -      #600

    “Its hardlight. HARD. LIGHT. HARD. As in, mass.”
    If hardlight really had mass, even the smallest non-zero amount you could possibly give it, then firing it at FTL would ionize the air around you and cause a nuclear explosion large enough to destroy a significant portion of the Earth. It would also require more energy than is in the entire universe. It doesn’t do that, so it doesn’t have mass.

    “Thats like saying armor that blocks a round that will go through a tank isn’t going to block a really heavy rock hitting it.”
    That’s quite a difference of scale. Try using something that applies the same amount of force.
    For a more appropriate scale, try comparing a guy getting shot in the chest with an arrow to a guy getting smashed in the chest with a warhammer. Generally the stuff that protects against one will not help much against the other because they hurt you in different ways.

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