Master Chief vs Judge Dredd

Master Chief vs Judge Dredd
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This fight takes place in current Washington D.C. at 12:00 pm.

Chief and Dredd have been given instruction to eliminate the other with extreme prejudice to protect the nation’s capital. Both combatants have been deployed at opposite ends of the field with the equipment listed below.

Judge Dredd is deployed at the steps of the U.S. Capitol with:

  • Lawmaster
  • Street Judge Armor
  • Lawgiver
  • Widowmaker
  • Daystick

Master Chief is deployed at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial with:

  • Covenant Ghost
  • Mark VI Armor
  • SMG (x2)
  • Battle Rifle
  • Shotgun

Note: Both have unlimited ammunition for standard rounds associated with each weapon, but Dredd only has a single clip for each non-standard round for both firearms.

Who will be victorious in defending the pillar of democracy?

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462 Comments on "Master Chief vs Judge Dredd"

  1. Only the nose knows January 11, 2009 at 12:17 am -      #1

    Don’t really know a thing about Judge at all.

  2. Tim January 11, 2009 at 1:03 pm -      #2

    I know a small amount about Judge Dredd and I think that this would be a good fight probably ending with Master Chiefs victory.

    P.S. I’d recomend the comics but don’t watch that film, it’s really bad and is barely like Judge Dredd at all.

  3. flyboy51 January 11, 2009 at 2:45 pm -      #3

    Yeah, im gonna say MC wins after a hard fought battle and lots of gunfire.

  4. Timisadouche January 12, 2009 at 2:54 am -      #4

    Judge dredd is an awesome film. It not being like the LAME comics was a GOOD thing. Master chief is awesome but he is OVER RATED. He would get his ass beating if he went up against Dredd. Just two words
    “RAPID FIRE”
    *gun repeats*
    RaPiD fIrE

  5. Tim January 12, 2009 at 12:40 pm -      #5

    The film is not awesome, it’s average at best and that’s only if you don’t know how much it sucks when compared to the comics.

    P.S. great name by the way.

  6. judaspriestfan#1 January 13, 2009 at 7:04 pm -      #6

    you should do MC versus Jgulator en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugulator
    (read the second paraghraph)

  7. joe January 25, 2009 at 6:01 pm -      #7

    Just give MC an assault rifle,a Shotgun, and a couple of grenades and he’ll have this match finished before the day is over.

    No, I’m just kidding. I’m sure this match would be a good one but I think in the end MC would win after a tough match.

    I also saw the Judge Dredd movie and I thought it was ok.

  8. Jwlynas January 25, 2009 at 10:20 pm -      #8

    Dredd wins, and purely because of one scene

    * Judge Fear, the embodiment of fear itself, whose mere appearance drives lesser men insane* “Gaze into the face of fear”

    *Dredd, having stood silently for a few moments* “…Gaze into the fist of Dredd”

    *Judge Fear is subsequently Pwned, Dredds fist bursting through the back of his head*

    Not to mention Dredd frequently takes on judge Death, a supernatural being who can punch through a mans ribcage without a second thought, without slowling down, even though he need only touch someone for them to die.

    MC Loses, once again.

  9. Thepocalypse February 10, 2009 at 7:39 pm -      #9

    The judge of cities VS the judge of empires? No contest.

  10. kano547 March 3, 2009 at 5:34 am -      #10

    i dunno im not a fan of the halo games but i am of the media to it and judge dredd i think it would depend on whether they use standard guns or do they get access to theyre respective armourys standard mc would win but if dredd had that weird wh40k bolter like gun he had in the game i think dredd would win

  11. Jwlynas March 5, 2010 at 7:48 pm -      #11

    Dredd Uses High Ex rounds and blows a few fist sized holes in MC’s head

    “Justice served”

  12. MEGADOOMER March 5, 2010 at 7:50 pm -      #12

    Screw the High Ex rounds, Dredd could just call upon Judge Death and reap the hell out of MC.

  13. Kenny C. March 5, 2010 at 8:03 pm -      #13

    I’m dubious of a straight up Judge Dredd win here…

  14. MEGADOOMER March 5, 2010 at 8:11 pm -      #14

    Why? Because of Dredd’s pure badassery? Because thats the only way I see him winning. But in other words, it would be a tough fight. Dredd’s guns are way more powerful than M’C’s, but in a fist fight, MC would be much stronger and faster than him.

  15. Jwlynas March 5, 2010 at 8:24 pm -      #15

    As sapper always point out, theres no reason it’d get to a fist fight. Dredd has the ranged advantage, through his guns huge versatiliy. Napalm rounds would be interesting, but High Explosive is where the main danger comes from.

    I wouldn’t ignore Dredd in CC though, its not like he never fights strong people. Mean machine on his “up to eleven” strength and rage can plough straight through steel without even slowing down, and Dredds been known to take this guy out in one punch.

  16. Blackend April 20, 2010 at 6:15 am -      #16

    Judge Dredd is a man (bullets can kill people)… MasterChief is a super human soldier, a professional warrior. Judge Dredd might do well against other men but Master Chief is just to fast and skilled.

  17. JohnnyAlpa January 5, 2011 at 8:22 pm -      #17

    Dredd dfefinitely.

    hes a clone too, and has rarely been beaten (once by Rogue Trooper, who is tougher than Master CHief, and once by Stan ‘Bruce’ Lee in CC. Master CHief gets killed everytime you reload your saved game!

    I think Master Chief might take him once, but Dredd would get him in the end.

  18. Eric Gigliotti January 5, 2011 at 9:50 pm -      #18

    I haven’t read the comics – only seen the movie. From the movie, I have to say Master Chief all the way. Even with everything Jwlynas provided, MC still wins.

    Dredd is the normal badass hero. He walks in the line of fire and shoots every one of his opponents without taking a hit. This time however, MC will put a three-round burst straight into Dredd’s center of mass. End of the story.

    “Master CHief gets killed everytime you reload your saved game!”

    Game mechanics. MC has killed hundreds of Covenant in direct combat – and millions by his actions. Dredd fights regular humans, and the occasional above-average-to-super human. The Covenant are vastly superior to humans.

    Dredd faces a guy who can punch through steel? MC made a handhold in titanium-a battleplate.

    “whose mere appearance drives lesser men insane”

    MC is no lesser man. He has faced many things far more imposing than Dredd, fought them head-on, and killed them.

    “who can punch through a mans ribcage without a second thought”

    A healthy human ribcage can take about 163 lbs (74kg). Not too hard for that to break. If I were to hit you while you were sleeping (you won’t tense your muscles effectively creating a shield to absorb the energy) I could break your ribcage. Professional boxers break their opponents ribcage on occasion. MC can lift 1,322 lbs (600kg). Breaking a ribcage will be no problem for him. Even more, MC’s armor increases that strength.

    “Dredd Uses High Ex rounds and blows a few fist sized holes in MC’s head”

    MC’s M6D fires 50 caliber, HE rounds as well.

    I’m not sure on how much training and experience Dredd has. MC has had much of both. He was kidnapped by the government when he was 6 years old and trained (harder any military does today) until he was 12. He knows math, is a master of many martial arts forms, has rudimentary naval tactics knowledge, and has a complete intimacy with all of his weapons and armor.

  19. 808 September 16, 2011 at 7:32 pm -      #19

    *revives dead thread*
    I believe Jwlynas meant that Death punched through a man’s torso, with the fist tearing through the ribcage, sinew, any organs, spinal column, and skin, to come out the back… buuuutt she’d have to clarify that for me to be sure. If that is the case though, I know L-W did have a post (I believe it was Wesker VS. MC) that explained the energy needed to do that since Wesker had that feat.

    But that’s only to show Dredd’s past encounters, it wouldn’t really count in a feat for him in itself.

    I’ve only read a bit about the Dredd comics and the movie (which I thought was okay) was definitely not an accurate representation of them. But I can’t really provide more facts than that atm S: I do believe Dredd was genetically engineered and raised from birth as a soldier as well though, but that is pending. If anyone is interested in this debate continuing I can comb a wiki for it ^_^ or something.

  20. Captain Epic September 14, 2012 at 11:15 pm -      #20

    Dredd has a mean Falcon Punch:

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55672/1191953-jude_dredd_feat_super.jpg

    Master Chief picks up the win though. I hope with the upcoming movie we get to see more of the Judges on the site.

  21. Captain Epic September 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm -      #21

    Wait is this movie or comic Dredd? If it is comic, I’m inclined to go with him.

  22. Tech/Mana September 24, 2012 at 1:47 pm -      #22

    After reading some 2000AD and Dredd, along with seeing the new movie, I’m going to see if this revives, and I’m voting for Dredd. The Lawmaster and Lawgiver, along with Dredd taking out things like aliens, Predators, zombies, ghosts, and going even with The Goddamn Batman, I’d have to give it to him.
    ====
    Master Cheif is charged with the crime of being over rated, and having the worse fanboys. Found guilty, sentence, is death.

  23. Captain Epic September 24, 2012 at 9:46 pm -      #23

    “Master Cheif is charged with the crime of being over rated, and having the worse fanboys. Found guilty, sentence, is death.”

    I would love to see this.

  24. Whatthecell September 24, 2012 at 9:53 pm -      #24

    “Master Cheif is charged with the crime of being over rated, and having the worse fanboys. Found guilty, sentence, is death.”

    QFT.

  25. TheSorrow September 24, 2012 at 9:58 pm -      #25

    Don’t blame Master Chief for the fanboys’ mistakes.

  26. Captain Epic September 26, 2012 at 2:51 pm -      #26

    Anyone want to debate for Spartan-117?

  27. Captain Epic September 27, 2012 at 12:08 pm -      #27

    Oh also it turns out that those crossovers(Batman, Alien, Predator) are all canon. Which makes the Judge quite an impressive fighter. I actually think this match is pretty even. As Jwlynas said Dredd’s best asset for this match would be his gun with various rounds. The High Ex would do a number on Master Chief for sure.

  28. madmax_619 October 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm -      #28

    High EX to the FACEEEEEEEEEEEE

  29. deathmetal3k October 24, 2012 at 12:05 pm -      #29

    Well I’ve seen no feats on dredd. But I have some for MC.

    While unarmored in one of the books John punched a marine in the Chest denting in the titanium A armor of the Marine. With his bare hand. Much more impressive then breaking a rib cage.

    A Spartans reactions time is 20 mili seconds with Cortanna. It’s described in onyx how a man tossed his cugaretted to the floor. Linda or John was on him and killed him. The ciagarette hit the floor. John doged chain gun round at point blank range a pretty impressive feat. His armor is made of titanium A armor that can take the impact of falling from low orbit and still survive in one functioning piece. His shields well it’s been debated on how much they can take.

    A spartan can lift 2 tons with ease and John punched through and elites skull,shields, and dented the wall behind the elite I believe. In onyx he tore off a steel door from it hinges and tossed it away. I can’t remember more specific feats but there are others. I am willing to look up.

    His weapons are AP rounds. But other then that idk.

  30. ZomBordeaux October 24, 2012 at 12:16 pm -      #30

    Mmmmmk, I own almost every single issue of 2000AD, The Megazine, and Judge Dredd, so, I should be able to find some feats.

  31. Tech/Mana October 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm -      #31

    Judge Dredd takes this.

    He’s fought much worse and come out on top.

    One armor peircing round should do the trick. The guy is known for fighting and winning against ghosts, aliens, robots, cyborgs, and even Batman.

  32. GuardianAngel1911 October 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm -      #32

    Dredd is Chiefs Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

  33. SgCombine October 24, 2012 at 2:07 pm -      #33

    “and even Batman.”

    Whaaaa?!?! Is that even canon lol?

  34. Cananatra October 24, 2012 at 2:15 pm -      #34

    Crossovers are seldom considered canon sgcombine.

    That aside dredd would have to come out with some exceptional feats for his pistol to even be in the running for this fight and would need to be noticeably superhuman to even make use of the weapon if its proven strong enough.

  35. GuardianAngel1911 October 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm -      #35

    @Combine & Cananatra
    according to Epic they are canon.

  36. Cananatra October 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm -      #36

    Eh, who is epic?

  37. Amm0vamp1r3 October 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm -      #37

    captain epic farther up in the thread

  38. ReDruM October 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm -      #38

    Dredd stomps this mostly due to the Lawmaster. The ghost is a piece of shit compared to it.

    www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6300194

    Apparently this thing is armed with armor piercing rocket launchers, grenade launchers, and twin laser gatling guns. It can also be set into autopilot mode sicking it on MC while Dredd attacks effectivelly giving him armored support since the thing is bulletproof and chief unfortunately doesn’t have a rocket launcher.

  39. Cananatra October 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm -      #39

    Well nice of him to say so and not source it. Anyone know where 2000AD’s canon policy is?

  40. Cananatra October 24, 2012 at 2:38 pm -      #40

    Plasma bolt in dredds face is an instant kill. He doesn’t have full body cover with his armour and even them we don’t know how that would deal with the extreme heat.

  41. ReDruM October 24, 2012 at 2:51 pm -      #41

    “Plasma bolt in dredds face is an instant kill. He doesn’t have full body cover with his armour and even them we don’t know how that would deal with the extreme heat.”

    There’s this thing called cover. And besides that Dredd won’t be on the bike since the bike can fight on its own with it on-board AI while MC has to pilot his vehicle himself. And the Ghost would be obliterated in short order due to the rockets and gattling guns leaving MC either dead or on foot after which Dredd can get on his bike and chase him down in a bevy of rockets and laser beams. And due to Dredd having cybernetic eyeballs now its highly unlikely that he will miss.

  42. Matapiojo October 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm -      #42

    “Dredd stomps this mostly due to the Lawmaster. The ghost is a piece of shit compared to it.”
    .
    Though I am not incredibly knowledgeable on either, I designed the loadouts to try and balance the fight as much as I can figure out on paper. While it appears that Dredd may have a weapon advantage, MC has superior protection with a solid exoskeleton, shielding, and greater maneuverability. The Ghost’s plasma should also give him a great advantage against the Lawmaster.
    .
    I don’t believe this to be a stomp either way, but if its proven that it is, I will adjust accordingly. I am not beyond giving MC some alien weaponry in addition to his ride if that means the fight is more balanced.
    .
    Make your case(es).

  43. CannibalisticCookie October 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm -      #43

    “I don’t believe this to be a stomp either way, but if its proven that it is, I will adjust accordingly. I am not beyond giving MC some alien weaponry in addition to his ride if that means the fight is more balanced.
    .
    Make your case(es).”

    It can’t come to a conclusion if you keep adjusting the loadouts so MC doesn’t lose in the interest of ‘Fairness’

  44. crazyemu October 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm -      #44

    Lawmaster vs ghost = Lawmaster

    Street Judge Armor vs Mark IV = don’t know

    Lawgiver vs 2x SMG = Lawgiver

    Widowmaker vs battle rifle = Widowmaker

    Daystick vs shotgun = shotgun

    courage vs luck = luck

    MC 2-JD 3 possibly 4
    Judge wins

  45. Nomad October 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm -      #45

    “Well nice of him to say so and not source it.”

    I’ll go look for the source.

  46. Nomad October 24, 2012 at 4:05 pm -      #46

    Here is a quote about the canon:

    “The characters introduced in both the Dredd vs Pred and Dredd vs Alien crossovers (such as Judge Schaefer and Judge Sanchez) have shown up in later standalone Dredd comics, and the events of those crossovers have been referenced as well.
    Also, aside from being published as individual issues by Dark Horse, the crossovers were also published within the Judge Dredd “prog” numbering system by 2000AD, the company that owns Judge Dredd.”

    I’ll keep my eye out for scans. Hope this helps.

    The Judge Dredd vs Batman story is also canon to the Dredd universe, I happen to have one of the Dredd comics that references it (Dredd mentions some “crazy costume wearing vigilante from Gotham” that he’d encountered).

  47. CannibalisticCookie October 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm -      #47

    “I’ll keep my eye out for scans. Hope this helps.”

    If you know any issues or even story arcs, I probably have the comic and can get a scan of it.

  48. ZomBordeaux October 24, 2012 at 6:50 pm -      #48

    Some Dredd Durability

    i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/streekz/dredd%20the%20chase/dredd-6.jpg
    i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/streekz/dredd%20the%20chase/dredd-7.jpg

    Lawmaster

    www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6300194

  49. Hermit October 24, 2012 at 7:49 pm -      #49

    I’ve been reading the comments, and I have this to say:
    Does the scenario change anything? This starts in a city after all, and both fighters could easily set up an ambush to finish off the other.

  50. Nomad October 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm -      #50

    “Dredd is Chiefs Judge, Jury, and Executioner.”

    :D

  51. deathmetal3k October 24, 2012 at 10:41 pm -      #51

    You all make it seem like MC is a full blown idiot who doesn’t know what’s coming. According To BankGambling rules MC knows who dredd is and what he’s capable of so he probably knows of the Lawmaker and it’s capabilitys. MCs not stupid enough o attack that thing head on.

    Next Cortanna is a super Advanced AI whom as far as I know makes the lawmakers AI look like a calculator in comparison. If the law makers AI is wireless Cortanna will ealily brake in and take over the lawmaker.

    MC survived falling from low orbit the impact and force of such a fall is far greater then a small explosion that blasts a door open.

    MCs armor is also far more advanced. Shields, thermal vision, increased strength,agility, and reaction time. What does dredds armor have?


    Lets not forget MCs reaction time. He dodges rockets and gunfire all the time. It’s not new. Dodging it again won’t be to much of a problem especially when he can easily find cover in a city area.

  52. jhud October 24, 2012 at 11:27 pm -      #52

    this most certanly wont be a stomp in either side here plus judge dredds movie sucked ass any way

  53. ka-tet19 October 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm -      #53

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndkLv2LiSKI
    mc is a bad as with 2smg

  54. ka-tet19 October 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm -      #54

    *bad ass
    .
    [EDIT] – No. YOUR name is baddass!
    - Mata

  55. Matapiojo October 25, 2012 at 7:10 am -      #55

    “It can’t come to a conclusion if you keep adjusting the loadouts so MC doesn’t lose in the interest of ‘Fairness’”
    .
    We are parting from the premise that this is the most balanced way these combatants can face each other, but I am not a valid judge to make that determination. If there is a flaw in the scenario, it will be fixed as needed. We are not looking to change things constantly in order to have an endless fight, but showcased matches that are stomps will never be featured knowingly.
    .
    Think of it as a single change to be made after its showcased IF its shown to be a stomp, and only a stomp. If one side has a non-stomp, natural advantage over the other (like MC’s armor over Dredd’s, and the Lawmaster’s systems over the Ghost’s), then thats the way the cookie crumbles.
    .
    Bottom line, no edits will be made unless it is proven as a stomp.
    .
    “Does the scenario change anything? This starts in a city after all, and both fighters could easily set up an ambush to finish off the other.”
    .
    It most certainly does, and shouldn’t be ignored as easily as it has been thus far. The thing to keep in mind is that this is the US capital. And eventhough the combatants have been set against each other, it doesn’t mean that the rest of the city won’t see either of them as a threat. There may be a nice “open” area for them to have a bike fight, but it will be far from being without civilians, emergency respond units, and other authorities.
    .
    There are also many other ways for either of them to maximize terrain. If MC does determine the Judge has far superior firepower, then he may turn it into a guerilla fight – running into buildings or subterranian routes.
    .
    “You all make it seem like MC is a full blown idiot who doesn’t know what’s coming. According To BankGambling rules MC knows who dredd is and what he’s capable of so he probably knows of the Lawmaker and it’s capabilitys. MCs not stupid enough o attack that thing head on.”
    .
    Not exactly. MC is given general info about his opponent, but not specifics. In other words, he knows Dredd is highly trained in various forms of combat and firearms, is a capable rider, and that both he and his vehicle are heavily armed, but he doesn’t have any more information at hand. Likewise, Dredd doesn’t know anything about MJOLNIR, the Ghost, etc.
    .
    “Next Cortanna is a super Advanced AI whom as far as I know makes the lawmakers AI look like a calculator in comparison. If the law makers AI is wireless Cortanna will ealily brake in and take over the lawmaker.”
    .
    Unless the scenario includes her (and this one doesn’t), Cortana is not to be considered a factor in MC fights. John is on his own.

  56. deathmetal3k October 25, 2012 at 7:48 am -      #56

    @Matapiojo alrighty.

  57. PrimusxPilus October 25, 2012 at 11:30 am -      #57

    Holy Hell hey Mata haven’t seen you post in quite some time. Hope all is well.

    Dredd has cybernetic vision so that should assist his endeavors but what about reaction time? I’m by no means taking a side just wondering because if MC can hit him in his jaw (no armor there) out something it’s going to wreck Dredd’s day. I can see MC trying to snipe with his rifle or something

  58. Matapiojo October 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm -      #58

    “Holy Hell hey Mata haven’t seen you post in quite some time. Hope all is well.”
    .
    All is gravy. Just like keeping a low profile these days.

  59. PrimusxPilus October 25, 2012 at 2:13 pm -      #59

    S.all good bro. I’m ready for Sanderson to finish WoT lol.

    To this fight: can anybody answer Mt question. It’s an honest one as I’m not familiar with the characters

  60. knightbreaker117 October 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm -      #60

    Judge is pretty good , but I’m leaning more to mastercheif on the fact that he’s a skilled warrior

  61. Cananatra October 25, 2012 at 2:20 pm -      #61

    Mata, slightly on a side note the whole MC having no Cortana is a bit up for debate I’ve always felt. The idea that she is outside help is contradicted by her not actually being fully sentient. I’d actually suggest perhaps an official debate on the issue might sometime be brought up?

    With regards to this match itself some things have to be looked at very carefully.

    Lawgiver as a weapon is far outclassed here, even though it has decent party tricks for a pistol, it is still a pistol. Even the most powerful of modern pistol rounds would take a stupid amount of sustained shots to take down MJOLNIR’s shields and even after that the armour itself is no slouch. From what I’ve seen of lawgiver its somewhat more powerful than a modern pistol. Though obviously we’d have to see how armour piercing the dredds armour piercing ammo is. Even the heaviest of 50cal rounds tops out at 20Kj and lawgiver is visually much smaller. So at first glance Lawgiver would struggle even with the lowest estimates of MKVI shields.

    Widowmaker is a shotgun. If its firing pellets then it will never get through MJOLNIR armour. From my research slugs are in general horribly inaccurate and seems to top out at less energy than the 50cal mentioned above. Visually however the widowmaker has a much larger bore than a modern shotgun so it likely packs a bigger punch. However it would have to be unusually more powerful to be a threat to MJOLNIR armour.

    The daystick is a toy in this fight.

    Lawmaster’s rockets seem the only possible useful weapon for Dredd to kill MC in any reasonable scenario. Generally the width is given for rockets, so dredds 6inch rockets must have cut down their length to fit on the bike. From my research 6inch rockets now are often 24inch or more long and visually lawmaster does not have 2ft long rockets. This would suggest that they would have reduced propellant which would translate into less range, velocity and so on. The armour piercing capacity of most their armour piercing capability is somewhat academic as it has no bearing on how effective they are at dropping shields. Additionally as armour piercing rockets are typically designed with shaped charges who derive their penetrative force through a jet of molten metal, the rocket is actually going to be trying to burn through a material specifically designed to withstand thermal weapons, as MJOLNIR’s armour plates are build with covenant plasma in mind. Most damningly however is that a rocket system is an unguided weapon. Dredd will have to line up his bike and fire, something which is rather difficult to do against something small and fast moving and as the rockets are unguided, unless its right on target its no good. Lawmaster itself has the advantage in straight line speed but is far outmatched in manoeuvrability. At the end of the day it is still a motorbike, and a rather large one at that where as ghosts can go any which way.

    The judges armour is a large disadvantage though. The BR is going to be firing a reasonably large round and most of the armour dredd is wearing cant stand up to large rounds from what I’ve seen. And of course his lower face is unprotected. The armour also offers no protection from plasma which MC has access to on the ghost.

    At the end of the day MC can win with one well placed bullet from weapons that prity much spray bullets. Dredd can only win with either a lucky shot with a rocket (which may or may not be enough) or several minutes sustained fire. So my money is on MC for reasonable victory.

  62. the_man_with The_Answers October 25, 2012 at 6:09 pm -      #62

    950m range for the BR55…
    In the hands of a super-soldier with multiple decades spent fighting overwhelming amounts of genocidal aliens, most of which exceed regular humans on physical levels.

    Granted that MC has a motion sensor (In addition to multiple vision modes, computer enhanced vision, zooming HUD, and super-human eyesight), that Dredd is unaware of, Chief is going to be the one to find Dredd first.

  63. DragonRebornSTOMP October 25, 2012 at 6:35 pm -      #63

    From what ive read this is one of the closer matches i’ve come across on here. to me it sounds as though they are about the same strength, MC is faster but Dredd has better weapons. MJOLNIR VI is great armor though. i think this one comes down to circumstances. like where are they? who sees who first? and does MC get Cortana cause i would think thats outside help.

  64. Nomad October 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm -      #64

    @Cananatra

    You seem to be forgetting Dredd’s other ammo. Granted he only has a clip. But if can fire off a clip of high explosive ammo that should do the trick.

  65. Nomad October 25, 2012 at 6:40 pm -      #65

    “and does MC get Cortana cause i would think thats outside help.”

    Master Chief does not have Cortana for this fight.

  66. DragonRebornSTOMP October 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm -      #66

    i probably should have read the description closer.

  67. Cananatra October 25, 2012 at 6:48 pm -      #67

    “You seem to be forgetting Dredd’s other ammo. Granted he only has a clip. But if can fire off a clip of high explosive ammo that should do the trick.”

    We’d have to quantify his hi explosive ammo. Remember, the round size does mean he has fuck all hi explosive in it. You’d also then have to half the amount of damage MC would take as explosives are unidirectional.

  68. Cananatra October 25, 2012 at 6:49 pm -      #68

    eh, arent* unidirectional

  69. deathmetal3k October 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm -      #69

    @nomad it could be debated whether or not Cortanna in this. Like cananatra said

  70. knightbreaker117 October 25, 2012 at 7:28 pm -      #70

    Wow I clearly see people can’t read the descriptions amazing :d
    Cortana doesn’t do much other guide mc to the mission duh

    And lets not forget mc is a skilled warrior with and with out guns , his body and mind were in enhance and he has a lot of luck on his side

    And his suit/energy it capable of sniper bullets from far away except head shots :p

  71. DragonRebornSTOMP October 25, 2012 at 7:32 pm -      #71

    @Knight Cortana does sooo much more than that. that’s just game mechanics. She amps up the link between his body and his suit making him stronger(?), faster smarter, and all around better. the rest of that is true though. the headshot thing is just with weapons from his own universe, Dredds weapons are much more effective.

  72. knightbreaker117 October 25, 2012 at 8:19 pm -      #72

    Dragon reborn
    You are right on some parts
    But he was doing just fine on halo 2 and 3 and he was doing fine on halo waypoint , does the halo novel say anything about that?(just asking cuz I haven’t read the book, something I can looking in to)

    Do you think dredds armor is up for the fight ?
    Because so for I see energy shield then pretty hard steel plate and then his body

  73. DragonRebornSTOMP October 25, 2012 at 8:22 pm -      #73

    i know very little about Dredd, i just saw no reason to disbeleive the Pilers who were typing about Dredd before me. MC doesn’t NEED Cortana to be awesome, she just makesw him even better. Kinda off-topic but didn’t someone once say Fred could have been better than Chief?

  74. Nomad October 25, 2012 at 9:07 pm -      #74

    “but what about reaction time?”

    I’ve heard he has a reaction time similar to Batman’s. But I have yet to see scans of it.

  75. ZomBordeaux October 25, 2012 at 9:13 pm -      #75

    Dredd did arrest Batman.

  76. Nomad October 25, 2012 at 9:15 pm -      #76

    “Dredd did arrest Batman.”

    And Santa.

  77. ZomBordeaux October 25, 2012 at 9:49 pm -      #77

    “And Santa.”

    Who kicked Lobo’s ass.

  78. Matapiojo October 26, 2012 at 10:17 am -      #78

    “Mata, slightly on a side note the whole MC having no Cortana is a bit up for debate I’ve always felt. The idea that she is outside help is contradicted by her not actually being fully sentient. I’d actually suggest perhaps an official debate on the issue might sometime be brought up?”
    .
    I don’t see it that way. Regardless of how the outside help issue may be seen, I consider her as a piece of equipment; one that doesn’t belong to him. She belongs to UMFC and has been assigned to him on specific missions. At best, she is a PIS element.
    .
    But no matter how she is or isn’t seen, this particular scenario lists what each character has been deployed with. Cortana is neither listed as a partner to John nor an item in his gear. Thus, she is out.
    .
    “You seem to be forgetting Dredd’s other ammo. Granted he only has a clip.”
    .
    Note that it is a clip for each type of specialized round, not just one with all types.
    .
    “i think this one comes down to circumstances. like where are they? who sees who first? and does MC get Cortana cause i would think thats outside help.

    i probably should have read the description closer.”

    .
    /wink
    .
    It happens. And Cortana is out. Chief has more than enough help by getting a Covenant piece of equipment with advanced energy weapons.
    .
    “@nomad it could be debated whether or not Cortanna in this. Like cananatra said”
    .
    No it couldn’t. She is not listed in MC’s deploment or even mentioned anywhere else in the scenario.

  79. ZomBumgarner October 26, 2012 at 11:33 am -      #79

    “Note that it is a clip for each type of specialized round, not just one with all types.”

    That doesn’t make sense, most special rounds don’t need to be loaded into the gun, the gun uses ancient black magic to convert it’s clip into any of it’s main six. Other rounds have been shown to need to be loaded, but Hi-Ex, AP, Rubber, Hot Shot, and Incendiary do not need to be loaded.

  80. Skalkorik13 October 26, 2012 at 11:57 am -      #80

    [IMG]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/vestarr/lawgiver-brashill-murray.jpg[/IMG]
    .
    Thats a scan of the Lawgiver MKII
    .
    Im leaning towards JD here … Hi-Ex rounds are pretty lethal … Im thinking they can do a number on MCs shielding and armor

  81. Skalkorik13 October 26, 2012 at 11:58 am -      #81

    sorry … copied wrong link
    .
    i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/vestarr/lawgiver-brashill-murray.jpg

  82. Matapiojo October 26, 2012 at 12:56 pm -      #82

    “That doesn’t make sense, most special rounds don’t need to be loaded into the gun, the gun uses ancient black magic to convert it’s clip into any of it’s main six. Other rounds have been shown to need to be loaded, but Hi-Ex, AP, Rubber, Hot Shot, and Incendiary do not need to be loaded.”
    .
    Ah. I was unaware of that. In that case, the gun’s magic fizzles for each of those rounds after the 24th has been fired (meaning, he still gets a limited amount of special ammunition).

  83. Cananatra October 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm -      #83

    “But no matter how she is or isn’t seen, this particular scenario lists what each character has been deployed with. Cortana is neither listed as a partner to John nor an item in his gear. Thus, she is out”

    Oh I know, I was more referencing how in other MC fights, of which there are many, the issue always comes up with the only given reason he can’t being that she is outside help. I don’t really see him needing her to win this fight in any case.

    “Im leaning towards JD here … Hi-Ex rounds are pretty lethal … Im thinking they can do a number on MCs shielding and armor”

    And I’m waiting for any sort of numbers to be brought up for the hi ex rounds. Bear in mind, they would have to be stupidly powerful. A stick of dynamite is only 2.1Mj, even the lowest accepted calcs for MKVI have its shields shrug that off and there is no way the hi ex rounds, from what I’ve seen, equal the level of a stick of dynamite.

    Also, everyone seems to be ignoring that MC can one shot dredd with most of his weapons and is, so far as is proven, far faster.

  84. ka-tet19 October 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm -      #84

    whats dredds range with law giver? because if he gets within br range of chief is like Cananatra said a 3shot burst to the jaw and its all over

  85. BC October 26, 2012 at 2:48 pm -      #85

    ” whats dredds range with law giver? because if he gets within br range of chief is like Cananatra said a 3shot burst to the jaw and its all over ”

    I doubt his range is very long with the pistol. The through-the-barrel aiming system is a nice idea on paper but it would not allow for much bullet drop before aiming became a case of guesswork. Even the trick of looking down the length of the pistol would not work because of all of the busy garbage sticking up on top of the cartoonish thing. Another thing is that the TTB aiming means it has to be open breach which means that there is a slightly longer delay between squeezing the trigger and the pistol firing since it has to load the chamber first which translates out to less accuracy against a moving target.

  86. ka-tet19 October 26, 2012 at 3:38 pm -      #86

    then chief wins by face shot

  87. ka-tet19 October 26, 2012 at 3:38 pm -      #87

    giggity

  88. Nomad October 26, 2012 at 4:46 pm -      #88

    That daystick is really going to do a number on Master Chief…

  89. Nomad October 26, 2012 at 4:51 pm -      #89

    Just to clarify I was using sarcasm.

  90. ZomBumgarner October 26, 2012 at 5:03 pm -      #90

    Is there other people at The Mall? If not, the massive distance between the two may mean Dredd’s Hot-Shot could be stupendously effective.

  91. knightbreaker117 October 26, 2012 at 5:56 pm -      #91

    Wait convant ghost ?? That turns mc almost invisible

  92. the_man_with The_Answers October 26, 2012 at 7:22 pm -      #92

    MC could camp out half a kilometer away and use various vision modes, HUD zooming, and image enhancement to take out Dredd in a long-range ambush. If Dredd somehow got close without MC seeing, he still has a motion sensor that would pick him up and allow Chief to, yet again, get the drop on Dredd.

  93. ZomBumgarner October 26, 2012 at 9:13 pm -      #93

    “MC could camp out half a kilometer away and use various vision modes, HUD zooming, and image enhancement to take out Dredd in a long-range ambush. If Dredd somehow got close without MC seeing, he still has a motion sensor that would pick him up and allow Chief to, yet again, get the drop on Dredd.”

    I remember reading somewhere that Dredd’s Lawgiver has a range of three miles. Now, I find that hard to believe myself, but I’m gonna look for some information on it. If it turns out to be true, well, that whole BR-range advantage is shot.

  94. tau43 October 26, 2012 at 10:34 pm -      #94

    “It not being like the LAME comics was a GOOD thing. ”
    -Wow your name is right you are a douche.

    Anyway, Dredd arrested Satan, put his fist literally through a guys face, and is the most feared man in his if not all Megacities. Dredd hands down.

  95. DragonRebornSTOMP October 26, 2012 at 10:39 pm -      #95

    maybe not hands down…but yeah. hmmm i think MC takes this one. he is faster, probably better trained, and i have yet to see some specs on Dredds armor helping him with Chiefs weapons. it’d be a very tough fight though.

  96. knightbreaker117 October 26, 2012 at 11:56 pm -      #96

    Zombur
    Too lazy to spell the rest lol
    Anyways if that we’re possible I would think it would have to do with his headset that would allow him to see far way

    Anyways just that fact that mc is a better soldier takes him very far in this match as seen on halo franchise and waypoint

  97. Cananatra October 27, 2012 at 10:10 am -      #97

    “I remember reading somewhere that Dredd’s Lawgiver has a range of three miles. Now, I find that hard to believe myself, but I’m gonna look for some information on it. If it turns out to be true, well, that whole BR-range advantage is shot.”

    The bullet may travel for three miles, but there would be no way it could be accurate to three miles.

    Its interesting that those who claim dredd wins have yet to actually PROVE anything he has can win and blithely ignore that one shot to his face is going to kill him. MC’s capabilities are well known and from all the calculations done on other threads and the few estimates on dredd MC is going to win. If the dredd side feels otherwise I would ask them to actually prove how they think he could.

  98. ZomBumgarner October 27, 2012 at 11:33 am -      #98

    “Its interesting that those who claim dredd wins have yet to actually PROVE anything he has can win and blithely ignore that one shot to his face is going to kill him. MC’s capabilities are well known and from all the calculations done on other threads and the few estimates on dredd MC is going to win. If the dredd side feels otherwise I would ask them to actually prove how they think he could.”

    Proving anything with Judge Dredd is incredibly tedious. I have every Judge Dredd comic, but there are so many I haven’t even read all of them yet, I could literally find myself reading one thousand comics before finding the one that proves he wins. I just don’t have that kind of time.

  99. Cananatra October 27, 2012 at 11:44 am -      #99

    Tedious or not, if you wish to claim a dredd win it will need to be done.

  100. ZomBumgarner October 27, 2012 at 11:46 am -      #100

    “Tedious or not, if you wish to claim a dredd win it will need to be done.”

    Eh, I’m not making that claim, not yet at least. Give me four weeks to read through a couple thousand issues. (And make a proper Judge Dredd respect thread)

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