Daredevil Vs Batman

Daredevil Vs Batman
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This is a two-part fight taking place in current Manhattan at approximately 3:00 am.

Daredevil (Marvel Comics) and Batman (DC Comics) are on the prowl. A group of eight highly-skilled, ex-military robbers have successfully pulled hits on major banks in each of New York’s five boroughs within a 4-hour window, with Manhattan’s Federal Reserve Bank of New York being their last. The crew has evaded all law enforcement in their vehicle (a stolen Medical Emergency vehicle) and, not wanting to be boxed in the tunnel, are now trying to make their way across the bay via the George Washington Bridge. Both vigilantes are on foot and have gotten wind of the robbers’ actions, their escape route through Henry Hudson Pkwy, and are currently near central park.

The robbers are heavily armed and their vehicle is equipped with all form of gear associated with high-level mercenary work. Which costumed hero neutralizes the crew first?

Both vigilantes believe the other to be the leader of the crew, and must fight to the death as they have intel that the robbers are financing development of WMEs across the bay.

Batman wields his basic suit (w/ night-vision and para-cape) and belt, has spent most of his arsenal in the pursuit of the robbers, and currently has only his grappling gun and a dozen batarangs. Daredevil wields only his billy-club. Who takes the win?

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253 Comments on "Daredevil Vs Batman"

  1. TheSorrow September 29, 2012 at 3:01 pm -      #101

    Well think about it this way, Kharn finally has something he can kill over and over no matter how hard he tries.

  2. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 3:12 pm -      #102

    “Batman cannot overcome someone with equal or greater strength who can swipe fired bullets out of the air.”

    He’s hand no problem fighting evenly with Cassandra Cain and bullets seemed useless against her.
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    “Any batarangs thrown will get the same treatment”

    Which can act as a distraction since it’s been shown that he can make it strike from behind, arc at an angle, ricochet around then it, and other then that he has more then one type of batarang. Like an explosive one, blocking that would be a plus for Batman.
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    “Highly unlikely that he’ll approach daredevil in that manner. He’ll most likely try to duke it out first.”

    He starts out with gadgets. He’ll also allow someone to wear themselves out chasing him then use a gadget to help end things quickly. The man like to plan in advance in a fight just in case.
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    Nevermind that Bats has shown to be able to take more then what DD seems to be able to put out via his own endurance, his own durability, and durability of his armor.

  3. Soulerous September 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm -      #103

    Alright, but it’s hard to make things interesting with Kharn when all he does is… berserk.

  4. Soldier's Shadow September 29, 2012 at 3:43 pm -      #104

    This is the same as Batman vs Ozymandias pratically only with his opponent having a billy club.

    With gadgets, and so long as he has gadgets, Murdock won’t be winning this.

  5. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 4:16 pm -      #105

    “He’s hand no problem fighting evenly with Cassandra Cain and bullets seemed useless against her.”
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    Cassandra isn’t deflecting bullets with arm movements. She’s dodging them. Two different things
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    “He starts out with gadgets.”
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    Only against foes with guns. DD has none

  6. Amm0vamp1r3 September 29, 2012 at 4:19 pm -      #106

    Doesnt DD fight bullseye on regular basis or something like that?

  7. Soulerous September 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm -      #107

    Only against foes with guns.
    -I question that statement. He has opened in melee combat with gun-wielding foes many a time. These have typically been foes he knows. He wouldn’t open with melee this time because he can just KO Daredevil from range, and he knows his foe is a fighter.
    ~
    Are you telling me Batman wouldn’t play on an enemy’s weaknesses?

  8. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 4:39 pm -      #108

    “-I question that statement. He has opened in melee combat with gun-wielding foes many a time”
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    Since when? He’s only seen lurking in the shadows trying to intimadate the mook with the gun than usually catching him offguard thus disarming him.
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    ” He wouldn’t open with melee this time because he can just KO Daredevil from range, and he knows his foe is a fighter.”
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    He knows nothing. He’s not given prep in this bout. He knows nothing about DD’s enhanced senses nor about his weakness to overloading his senses. I’m still curious on how he will take out DD from long range. Battarangs are useless( even including explosives which only detonate when attached)

  9. Soulerous September 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm -      #109

    He knows nothing. He’s not given prep in this bout.
    -He has basic knowledge, as per BankGambling Debating Rule #6. If that doesn’t tell him he’s a fighter, Batman can still easily figure it out. The guy is wearing a jumpsuit and has a baton. Not to mention his fighter’s stance.
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    I’m still curious on how he will take out DD from long range. Battarangs are useless
    -Knockout gas from bat-pellets or bat-grenades. He’s used those many times. He may also have batflashbangs.
    ~
    Batman bat-wins.

  10. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 5:27 pm -      #110

    lol, Bat flashstep
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    Accuracy
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    “Cassandra isn’t deflecting bullets with arm movements. She’s dodging them. Two different things”

    Being able to move your body fast enough to dodge bullets.
    Seems like it’d be harder to move that fast then it would to move just your arm fast.
    One requires multiple actions like your legs to push, your torso to turn or bend, your head to duck, etc in a short time.
    The other requires you to just move your arms in a short time.

    And still it shows that Bats isn’t outclassed by someone like that.
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    “Only against foes with guns.”

    Um he’s used gadgets on unarmed people before. Like here he uses gas grenades.
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    Skewering guys leg
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    I mean he even used an entire suit and cryo batarangs for ninjas wielding melee weapons. Hell the one scan with the explosive batarangs him and his son threw were at grunts wielding batsign branding things. Here he has no need to pull his punches.

    Batman normally incorporates his gadgets, fighting, and tactics; that’s just how he goes. Sure he might go in for melee but even then it might just be another set up like what he did in the scan with the mini explosive he used on “brother”. I put brother in quotations cuz it was never confirmed.
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    Plus the knowledge of nerve strikes he knows. He could be taking hits just to gets some of those in.

  11. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 5:36 pm -      #111

    “Knockout gas from bat-pellets or bat-grenades. He’s used those many times. He may also have batflashbangs.”
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    Half of that crap is useless since they don’t kill. Flash bangs will do nothing since he’s blind.
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    DD has accelerated reation time and he’s not a noble fighter.He beats ass until you stop moving.He will never let up on Bats.He is more likely to blind Batman with a nerve attack than Batman is to use knockout gas or any gas for that matter.

  12. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm -      #112

    “I’m still curious on how he will take out DD from long range. ”

    Gas, sonic weapons, throwing explosives(batarang or other)where he’s going to be, think he still got some cryo weaponry, high powered laser, I also remember seeing some non lethal bullets that shoot from his knuckles that emit gas as well.
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    “Battarangs are useless( even including explosives which only detonate when attached)”

    If he’s blocking multiple then it would be easier for him to get a hit in, especially if he’s got them to ricochet behind him.
    For the explosives as its shown they are strong enough to cut into things meaning if he block with the clubs it’ll get stuck and explode. He could also throw where he’s going to go and let the AoE hot him, arc it so one boomerangs behind him and the other in front of him. Even if he dodges he’ll still have the explosion could still hit him.
    And this would still open him up to anther attack.

  13. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 5:48 pm -      #113

    “Half of that crap is useless since they don’t kill. Flash bangs will do nothing since he’s blind.”

    It will still stun or knock him out allowing Bruce to kill him. He does still know how to kill.
    Flashbangs iirc also assaults hearing as well as sight.

  14. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm -      #114

    “He will never let up on Bats.He is more likely to blind Batman with a nerve attack than Batman is to use knockout gas or any gas for that matter.”

    Batman wears actual armor. Also he used knockout gas for something as minor as interrupting a dog fight. Not sure why he wouldn’t use it here.

  15. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm -      #115

    “Being able to move your body fast enough to dodge bullets.
    Seems like it’d be harder to move that fast then it would to move just your arm fast.
    One requires multiple actions like your legs to push, your torso to turn or bend, your head to duck, etc in a short time.
    The other requires you to just move your arms in a short time.”
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    Not really all it requires to dodge a bullet I to watch the aim and side step.. Catching/hitting bullets actually requires you dealing with the bullet since it already been fired. And it’s a great way for showing combat speed

  16. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 5:56 pm -      #116

    “Not really all it requires to dodge a bullet I to watch the aim and side step.”

    That be useful if the bullet wasn’t already coming or dodging one that was already about to hit your face.

  17. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm -      #117

    “That be useful if the bullet wasn’t already coming or dodging one that was already about to hit your face.”
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    So you’re saying she dodged a butler from point blank range?

  18. therealbs September 29, 2012 at 6:08 pm -      #118

    Batmans greatest strength is that he is a great hand to hand fighter and can be stealthy. daredevil negates stealth entirely. batman can’t sneak up on a guy who hears his breathing and heartbeat.
    next why exactly would batman know ddaredevil was blind?

  19. Amm0vamp1r3 September 29, 2012 at 6:11 pm -      #119

    BankGambling Debating rule #6 what is basic knowledge. Is the fact batman knows martial arts basic or the fact that he is caucasian be basic?

  20. AkumaTh September 29, 2012 at 7:08 pm -      #120

    So you’re saying she dodged a butler from point blank range?

    There was a scan of Batman doing that in the last page.

    Quickest was to turn this favor for Daredevil is to show him overcoming the tactics Batman supporters are using. I’m sure someone in Marvel thought of that for all these years.

  21. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm -      #121

    “So you’re saying she dodged a butler from point blank range?”

    I normally associate “point-blank” with the gun being right next to the person but I guess you could say that since the bullets is essentially near her right before she dodges.
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  22. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 7:20 pm -      #122

    “I normally associate “point-blank” with the gun being right next to the person but I guess you could say that since the bullets is essentially near her right before she dodges.”
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    When did she dodge it?

  23. AkumaTh September 29, 2012 at 7:22 pm -      #123

    Considering she grew up to be Batgirl, I believe it’s implied she dodged it.

  24. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 7:24 pm -      #124

    @Batman supporters
    How is batman going to react to and stop the onslaught of punches that’s faster than bullets. Daredevil will not give him the chance for any tricks. He will speed blitz batman

  25. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 8:03 pm -      #125

    “How is batman going to react to and stop the onslaught of punches that’s faster than bullets. Daredevil will not give him the chance for any tricks.”

    Well for one Bats has the ranged advantage.
    Two, same reason why he’s not outclassed by the girl who can move faster then bullets.
    Three Most of the bullets he’s got tend to be on the low end spectrum of bullet speeds which Batman has shown he doesn’t have to much of a problem with.
    Four, while DD is known for impressive reflexes has he shown to do so rapidly, never really seen much of high-speed combat from him.

  26. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 8:19 pm -      #126

    “Two, same reason why he’s not outclassed by the girl who can move faster then bullets”
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    Because her combat speed is not bullet fast like daredevil’s is so that means nothing. DareDevil’s combat speed is bullet fast
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    “Three Most of the bullets he’s got tend to be on the low end spectrum of bullet speeds which Batman has shown he doesn’t have to much of a problem with.”
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    Daredevil react swats away bullets at close range.
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    “never really seen much of high-speed combat from him.”
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    Attacking faster than bullets isn’t impressive?

  27. TopaztheSpaz September 29, 2012 at 8:44 pm -      #127

    Daredevil is peak human…Yes he can do things to increase his reflexes slightly above peak human but he can’t actually fight with faster than bullet speeds. Seriously normal human heroes dodging bullets in comic books is used so much it’s not even impressive anymore. Daredevil can do it, Batman can do it, Nightwing can do it, current Robin can do it, Cassandra Cain can do it, Hit Girl from Kick ass can do it. None of them can in fact fight let alone throw a single punch at the speed a bullet travels.

  28. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 9:02 pm -      #128

    “Because her combat speed is not bullet fast like daredevil’s is so that means nothing.”

    How is her ability to move faster then a bullets not apart of her combat speed? I don’t think many would be able to beat you if bullet have a hard time keeping up.
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    She even manages to punch a guy before the bullet even passes the other guy
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    Speedblitz guards
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    Batman has been able to evenly fight with her. Even teaching her some things.

  29. TopaztheSpaz September 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm -      #129

    @Slayer I stand corrected

  30. Slayer Lowk September 29, 2012 at 9:17 pm -      #130

    “I stand corrected”

    And that is why I keep an open mind when it comes to dc and marvel humans.
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    “Daredevil react swats away bullets at close range.”

    Okay, if someone has the ability to dodge a bullet it would put them at equal speed to the attack from the person that hits bullets…. So Bats should be able to dodge a blow as long as he doesn’t get tired/slow same for Daredevil for throwing the blows.

  31. Chuck inglish September 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm -      #131

    “How is her ability to move faster then a bullets not apart of her combat speed? I don’t think many would be able to beat you if bullet have a hard time keeping up.”
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    Her just moving her upper torso to get out of the way of a bullet doesn’t mean she can punch after than bullets
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    “She even manages to punch a guy before the bullet even passes the other guy”
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    No look closer she punch him while he was shooting as he was shooting hence the reason the guy didn’t get shot.
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    “Speedblitz guards”
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    Daredevil killed 100 yakuza in 3 min
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    “Okay, if someone has the ability to dodge a bullet it would put them at equal speed to the attack from the person that hits bullets….”
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    Too bad Cassandra doesn’t punch as fast as bullets she only dodges them

  32. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 12:07 am -      #132

    “Her just moving her upper torso to get out of the way of a bullet doesn’t mean she can punch after than bullets”

    She can move fast enough to dodge bullets and Bats is fast enough to hit her.
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    “No look closer she punch him while he was shooting as he was shooting hence the reason the guy didn’t get shot.”

    The first panel in the second page showed the gun had already been fired. Afterwards is her punching, Not during it.
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    “Too bad Cassandra doesn’t punch as fast as bullets she only dodges them”

    According to that page she is. Bats already has bullet dodging is what I was referring to. But my point on Cass his that Bats is fast enough to hit someone who can move fast enough to dodge bullets.
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    “Attacking faster than bullets isn’t impressive?”

    Yes it is but I mean has he shown maintaining this speed like block one bullet after another?
    Like
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    I mean I could understand stand a speed blitz coming from an something like that since they shown they can move their arm rapidly at that speed. But so far DD doesn’t seem to be on that level.
    Yes, he can swing his arms exceptionally fast for a strike but it doesn’t seem like he can repeatedly do that those speeds to speedblitz.

  33. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 1:09 am -      #133

    After it fired blocking a bullet.
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    Brings up gauntlet to block a bullet again and leaves it up to shield from the rest
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    Blocking bullets with a chain
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    He’s already known to best altered enhanced(strength/speed) beings like talons and others. He can dodge a bullet, tag a bullet dodger, and blocked bullets with his gauntlet more then once.
    C’mon Chuck, you got to admit neither seems like they’d be speed blitz by the other if somehow this turn into a close quarters.

  34. Slacker September 30, 2012 at 1:17 am -      #134

    I like DD better. But Batman wins he is smarter, more skilled h2h fighter and brings more advanced tech into the battle. DD might be a little more agile than Bats but I still don’t see him pulling a win

  35. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:19 am -      #135

    Idk DD fights people like Spiderman so he could pull a win.

  36. Commander Cross September 30, 2012 at 1:25 am -      #136

    @Slacker

    Did you just shorten your username? o_O’

  37. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 1:45 am -      #137

    “She can move fast enough to dodge bullets and Bats is fast enough to hit her.”
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    Poor poor poor example that doesn’t mean batman can punch fasts than a bullet
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    “The first panel in the second page showed the gun had already been fired. Afterwards is her punching, Not during it.”
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    No.. Batgirl could’ve hit him as he was firing it. Hence the reason the scan shows him already being hit and her fist passing by his head
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    “Yes it is but I mean has he shown maintaining this speed like block one bullet after another?”
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    Yes, even at close range media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/85347/1906876-daredevil_reborn_004__2011___c2c___suckerpunch_cps_.cbr___page_25.jpg
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    Those so called bullet timing feats you posted aren’t valid. It’s not even showing the movements of batman’s hand. It just shows the him deflecting the bullet. Which could mean he put up his hand before the bullet was fired or him watching the trigger and putting up his hand in defense

  38. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 2:42 am -      #138

    “Poor poor poor example that doesn’t mean batman can punch fasts than a bullet”

    Shows he can hit someone who can move faster then a bullet.
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    “Batgirl could’ve hit him as he was firing it.”

    It didn’t show that though. It showed him firing, unpunched, shell casing already out, meaning the bullets is already on it way. The next panel with the punching doesn’t show the gun still firing.
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    “Yes, even at close range media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/85347/1906876-daredevil_reborn_004__2011___ c2c___suckerpunch_cps_.cbr___page_25.jpg”

    He blocks one then uses both arms when he tries again. That’s not the same as the constant rapid movement, that just swinging both arms instead of one.
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    “Which could mean he put up his hand before the bullet was fired or him watching the trigger and putting up his hand in defense”

    Except it shows that Bats was already in the middle of something beforehand and the guy tried to shoot him during that. Not Bat focused on him waiting for him to fire, predicting where, or about to put his arm already up as he’s about to fire.
    The other shows that the guy clearly is able to aim enough as he’s was try to focusing fire at his face not his hand. And again it shows the guy firing first not Bats about to block, he was just able to bring his fist up to block the bullet. The others I agree where because he left his arm there.
    The last was the gun already pointed at him with absolutely no defense up what so ever and he still managed to bring his hands up to bullets with the chain.
    And Bats doesn’t have the kind of enhanced senses that DD uses to help him block bullets.

  39. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 3:31 am -      #139

    “Shows he can hit someone who can move faster then a bullet.”
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    Yes an thing can hit silver surfer and hulk can hit sentry I guess that makes them as fast sentry and surfer.
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    “Except it shows that Bats was already in the middle of something beforehand and the guy tried to shoot him during that. Not Bat focused on him waiting for him to fire, predicting where, or about to put his arm already up as he’s about to fire.”
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    Bats could’ve been watching the other guy.. He’s not just gonna be occupied on one mook while leaving the other one un watched my guess is he was anticipating the shot putting his arm up before the shot was fired. Same thing goes with the other two scans.. Batman is not a bullet timer he just doesn’t show the proper movements in the scans
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  40. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 4:04 am -      #140

    “Yes an thing can hit silver surfer and hulk can hit sentry I guess that makes them as fast sentry and surfer.”

    Drastic example. Except Thing and Hulk haven’t shown FTL speeds.
    Bat has actually shown to be her range of speed.
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    “He’s not just gonna be occupied on one mook while leaving the other one un watched my guess is he was anticipating the shot putting his arm up before the shot was fired.”

    He could be aware of their presence while fighting, doesn’t mean he knows exactly where or even if they are pointing or where the bullet would go. Especially if they are fire multiple times mean that no bullet would go the spot unless they are like Dante or something.
    He doesn’t have the DD sense where he can see where the gun is pointing no matter what he’s doing.

  41. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 4:36 am -      #141

    “how is batman gonna beat a bullet timer?”

    This was the question, the answer was he has. It doesn’t really matter whether it was with hand or body or some other part. The fact is he has bested a bullet timer with alike speed to react to a bullet.

  42. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 10:59 am -      #142

    “Drastic example. Except Thing and Hulk haven’t shown FTL speeds.
    Bat has actually shown to be her range of speed.”
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    No it’s not its the same thing. Ofcoruse he would hit her the PLOT requires him to. That’s not a fucking feat
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    “He could be aware of their presence while fighting, doesn’t mean he knows exactly where or even if they are pointing or where the bullet would go.”
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    That’s Where you’re wrong, he is aware of the all the mooks presence even before he jumps down into action. Multitasking beating one mook while watching the one with the gun. He doesn’t have to know where they’re firing all he has to do is put his arm up before they fire. Batman doesn’t have the arm movement DD shows in his bullet timing feats.. DD actually swatted a bullet back at the guy who fired it one time
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    “The first panel in the second page showed the gun had already been fired. Afterwards is her punching, Not during it.”
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    The time frame is all fucked up in the scan though.. For all we know is that her fist could’ve been nearing his face as he was firing the gun..
    ===

  43. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 11:23 am -      #143

    “Of coruse he would hit her the PLOT requires him to.”

    They tend to be evenly matched. Not he only scored lucky hits one time just to advanced the plot because her back was turned or some shit like like that. At one point he even beats her then ends up helping her to get better.

  44. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 11:31 am -      #144

    Wait one minute. Is Cassandra Cain in new 52?

  45. LittleEpp September 30, 2012 at 11:41 am -      #145

    @chuck

    Why is the whole bullet speed daredevil important? I gave scans showing batman’s standard suit taking blows from mongol without damage and his cowl having bullets bounce off it. He also has a voive activated transparent screen that takes multiple shots at point blank range. (I’ll find a scan) The only place daredevil can hit him is his eyes which is a tiny target and will leave him wide openn Not to mention Bat’s suit can give off a 200000 volt charge plus his ranged attacks and hypersonics…

  46. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 11:50 am -      #146

    “I gave scans showing”
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    Funny, cause don’t remember you posting them

  47. LittleEpp September 30, 2012 at 12:09 pm -      #147

    It’s in the 80s somewhere. If they’re not there I’ll repost once I get to a computer.

  48. LittleEpp September 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm -      #148

    @chuck

    Posts 81 and 82

  49. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm -      #149

    “He doesn’t have to know where they’re firing all he has to do is put his arm up before they fire.”

    Yes, he would if he were going place his hand where the bullet was going to go beforehand. Besides if he was saw the guy about to bring up a gun he could have thrown the batarang first disarming him like he did after blocking the bullet.
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    “The time frame is all fucked up in the scan though..”

    Not really, it showed him firing no one was up in his face. Even if she was already getting close to him the bullet already moving. She still manage to hit him after the bullet left before it passed that guy.
    So he fires the gun. It shows no one up in his face, so even if she is already head to him it shows she is not close enough to punch. The bullet is already going by this time. By the time she does manage to actually punch him the bullet still hasn’t made it that far.
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    Daredevil ability to block bullets explained as anticipating, as in swinging where he think its going to go.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55519/2577322-uhoh.jpg
    This what I mean, Batman doesn’t have these senses. In order for him to pre emptively block a bullet he would need to know where the bullet would go beforehand. And if someone is firing multiple times like with the chain scan the recoil would also make that difficult since the bullet would likely hit the exact same spot requiring adjustments to be made during the firing.

  50. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 12:34 pm -      #150

    “Why is the whole bullet speed daredevil important? ”
    ====
    Because getting punched by a fist moving faster 370m/s will hurt like hell.. Not to mention that that fist crushes bricks and with a weapon in hand he can break diamond

  51. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 12:39 pm -      #151

    Me auguring with you about this is irrelevant if it isn’t new 52 batman

  52. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 12:45 pm -      #152

    Daredevil is pretty good with prep too:

  53. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm -      #153

    ma big flamin D’s

  54. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 12:57 pm -      #154

    Regardless of speed Bats still has the ranged, durability, and intellect advantage. The fact that the speed seems to be equal or at least enough for Batman to keep up just helps.
    ===
    “Me auguring with you about this is irrelevant if it isn’t new 52 batman”

    Batman and GL maintained there the same history.

  55. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm -      #155

    ranged yes,durability idk batman fights bane, DD fights kingpin. intellect maybe but you dont have to be smart to win (goku for example). Speed DD goes toe 2 toe with spiderman thats a feat in it self.

  56. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm -      #156

    “Daredevil is pretty good with prep too:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOkH9xI4PQA”
    “ma big flamin D’s”

    lol that made my day a little better.

  57. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 1:09 pm -      #157

    Here is a nice Daredevil reaction time feat:

    media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9055/1128160-1038493_daredevil172179nf_super_super.jpg

  58. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm -      #158

    img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddandspvshyde13es.jpg
    mail call
    ======
    img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvsabsorbingman28qt.jpg
    i think he is diamond.
    ======
    img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvscapandherc4tk.jpg
    Herc and cap, i dont have a pun

  59. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm -      #159

    img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandaredevilpg436mc.jpg
    img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandaredevilpg451xw.jpg
    img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandaredevilpg460sk.jpg
    =====
    not to gas DD up or anything

  60. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm -      #160

    “Speed DD goes toe 2 toe with spiderman thats a feat in it self.”

    1. Spiderman has superman syndrome, especially against other heroes.
    2. Iirc Daredevil himself has stated something along the line of not having a chance against Spiderman.

  61. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm -      #161

    Lowk is right, Spidey tends to hold back alot. Even against villians.

  62. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm -      #162

    img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilv2078213ll.jpg
    DD has feats in spades
    =====
    img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dddodging17qw.jpg
    img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dddodging27sf.jpg
    img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dddodging33hm.jpg
    DD dodged shots from the punisher,who has tagged spidermans webshooters

  63. Soulerous September 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm -      #163

    So what’s the argument now? If they are both more or less equal in terms of combat prowess, that is to say there isn’t huge schism between the two either way, what’s to stop Batman from winning with his knockout gas and other gadgets?

  64. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm -      #164

    img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth17dy.jpg
    img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth22ke.jpg
    img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth30rl.jpg
    img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth42gr.jpg
    goes against sabertooth (needs more matches), and we know he doesnt hold back, he toys with you but doesnt hold back

  65. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm -      #165

    “Regardless of speed Bats still has the ranged”
    ===
    Batarangs are nothing smoke pellets are nothing. And DD could get up close and personal before he uses sleeping gas
    ===
    “durability”
    ==
    Read post 150
    ===
    “intellect advantage.”
    ===
    Means nothing
    ==

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:26 pm -      #166

    img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth54uv.jpg
    img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth69iu.jpg
    img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth74hy.jpg
    img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddvssabertooth81dz.jpg
    cont.

  67. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm -      #167

    img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressurepoints3ho.jpg
    img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressurepoints28ok.jpg
    img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressurepoints32am.jpg
    img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressurepoints47mk.jpg
    img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuepoints57nr.jpg
    vulcan death poke

  68. Soulerous September 30, 2012 at 1:32 pm -      #168

    Batarangs are nothing smoke pellets are nothing. And DD could get up close and personal before he uses sleeping gas
    -What makes you think Daredevil can catch Batman? The guy capable of dodging Darkseid’s Omega Beams? And smoke pellets knock you out, so that’s not “nothing.”
    ~
    @Amm0vamp1r3- Posting lots of feats is great, but I would request that you state what they are feats for.

  69. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm -      #169

    Sorry ill work on that.

  70. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:35 pm -      #170

    img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddseescloakedbeingedited3sc.jpg
    DD can sense people who are cloaked.
    =====

  71. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm -      #171

    I still say those bullet timing feats with batman aren’t legit we see no movement of his arms. Hell, for all we know batman could just be making a wild guess of where his opponent will be shooting and put his hand up beforehand

  72. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm -      #172

    I found the scan Lowk mentioned earlier, of DD saying he could never beat Spidey in a normal fight:

    img261.imageshack.us/img261/781/feat14fight2bp4.jpg

  73. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm -      #173

    img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevil174062wr.jpg
    img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevil174074jm.jpg
    DD takes out ninjas,they were trying to assassinate him.

  74. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm -      #174

    “What makes you think Daredevil can catch Batman? The guy capable of dodging Darkseid’s Omega Beams”
    ===
    Lol did you just mention that justice league cartoon?
    ==
    “d smoke pellets knock you out, so that’s not “nothing.””
    ==
    Smoke pellets don’t knock out. They’re used for distraction and for when he wants to retreat.

  75. ka-tet19 September 30, 2012 at 1:45 pm -      #175

    “intellect advantage.”
    ===
    “Means nothing”
    when you have such a huge chink in your armor going against a genius opponent you have to expect he’ll find ways to exploit it

  76. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:48 pm -      #176

    well DD has fought reed richards wo is smarter than bats.

  77. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm -      #177

    “well DD has fought reed richards wo is smarter than bats.”

    Reed isn’t that great in combat.

  78. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:51 pm -      #178

    true but i was speaking on the whole being smart gives bats an advantage.

  79. ka-tet19 September 30, 2012 at 1:55 pm -      #179

    the advantage is more of a difference when you have an actually equally matched opponent.

  80. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 1:56 pm -      #180

    “true but i was speaking on the whole being smart gives bats an advantage.”

    Oh okay. But unlike Richards, Batman is more of a tactian(Like Cap) so in that aspect it very well could give Batman an edge. Like in the cross-over scans how Batman figured out DD was blind. If in this fight Batman figures it out he will abuse that and use his gadgets. However if Daredevil moves in quickly I think he could possibly take it.

  81. Nomad September 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm -      #181

    “the advantage is more of a difference when you have an actually equally matched opponent.”

    Well said.

  82. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm -      #182

    Agree with nomad, well said.

  83. ka-tet19 September 30, 2012 at 1:59 pm -      #183

    why thank you sir.

  84. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 2:00 pm -      #184

    img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevil155159xd.jpg
    ok here DD fights beast, who is smart and ok at combat

  85. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 2:02 pm -      #185

    img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilannual01438ku.jpg
    DD talks about his skills

  86. ka-tet19 September 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm -      #186

    i dont know if its been brought up yet but batman hits harder than daredevil bullseye said so in one of the cross overs. looking for proof now

  87. ka-tet19 September 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm -      #187

    i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BatmanandBullseye002.jpg

  88. AkumaTh September 30, 2012 at 2:51 pm -      #188

    @Amm0vamp1r3: Since you are posting so many feats for Daredevil, do you have any feats that would counter the Batman arguments?

    So far there is gas effects (which the non-canon crossover showed it did work), flash bombs, and stuff that could hurt his sonar (which the Diamond guy seem to do but I’m not sure why).

  89. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm -      #189

    Gas effects: there is one earlier that shows him fighting through scarecrows gas
    ===
    img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd6217ng8.jpg
    img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd6218yn6.jpg
    he smells gun powder maybe he could smell whats in the flash grenade.
    ====
    img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd100dcp0133uh5.jpg
    img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd100dcp0134vw7.jpg
    img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dd100dcp0135yg2.jpg
    dodges explosion without senses being effected.

  90. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm -      #190

    Still looking though.

  91. AkumaTh September 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm -      #191

    Gas effects: there is one earlier that shows him fighting through scarecrows gas

    I know. But considering it is fear gas being used on “The Man Without Fear”, it’s like using dust against Sandman. The effects seem to work according to the visuals and wording, but it was unaffected because he doesn’t fear.

  92. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 3:15 pm -      #192

    “Batarangs are nothing smoke pellets are nothing. And DD could get up close and personal before he uses sleeping gas”

    Except that not all he has.
    Plus Bats can drop the sleeping gas were he is or in where DD would have to go to get to him. It’s an AoE type of thing and it’s not something that just disappears instantly, they tend to leave a cloud. Even if it doesn’t put him to sleep right away it will slow him.

    Explosives and Sonics are also weapons he uses that would be useful.
    ===
    “I still say those bullet timing feats with batman aren’t legit we see no movement of his arms.”

    So because they didn’t show his arm moving to use that batarang mean he didn’t use it?
    ===
    “Hell, for all we know batman could just be making a wild guess of where his opponent will be shooting and put his hand up beforehand”

    That’s what daredevil does.
    ===
    “Means nothing”

    I meant in a general term tactics, ingenuity, knowledge
    ===
    “Because getting punched by a fist moving faster 370m/s will hurt like hell.. Not to mention that that fist crushes bricks and with a weapon in hand he can break diamond”

    He gets slammed into a wall and is fine enough afterwards to help the rest of the heroes
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531750-jl_02_0005_copy.jpg

    Get pushed through several walls, slammed into buildings, still strong enough to be able to hold on despite a airplane turbine sucking him in.
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531556-batman_zone__003.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531557-batman_zone__004.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531558-batman_zone__005.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531560-batman_zone__006.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531562-batman_zone__007.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531570-batman_zone__008.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531571-batman_zone__009.jpg

    And even through all that he’s still able to fight back and escape the exploding building
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531577-batman_zone__015.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531578-batman_zone__016.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2531579-batman_zone__017.jpg
    ===
    2 pounds of semtex apparently not enough to slow him down
    i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/Batman02RiZZ3N-EMPiREpg04.jpg
    i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/Batman02RiZZ3N-EMPiREpg05.jpg
    ===
    He’s taken hit from superhuman guys that leave dents in steel with there fist
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2565491-detective_comics_09_p19_copy.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2565492-detective_comics_09_p20_copy.jpg
    And still able to fight back(no armor)
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2537462-batman_02_rizz3n_empire_pg17.jpg
    media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/120358/2537465-batman_02_rizz3n_empire_pg19.jpg

    Still active afterwards
    i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/Batman03RiZZ3NEMPiREpg11.jpg
    ===
    “Oh okay. But unlike Richards, Batman is more of a tactian(Like Cap) so in that aspect it very well could give Batman an edge.”

    Thank you for saying better then I did.

  93. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 3:22 pm -      #193

    img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilv2001109hs.jpg
    talks about upgraded suit.
    ======

  94. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm -      #194

    DD has fought, the hulk,thor,bullseye,spiderman,the punisher.
    So i think he can take what Batman can dish out strength wise. He has stopped some guys lungs from working with a poke. He has dodged and batted bullets away on multiple occasions. Has been near many explosions with out senses being boggled.

  95. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm -      #195

    “Except that not all he has.
    Plus Bats can drop the sleeping gas were he is or in where DD would have to go to get to him. It’s an AoE type of thing and it’s not something that just disappears instantly, they tend to leave a cloud. Even if it doesn’t put him to sleep right away it will slow him.”
    ===
    DD is fast enough to jump out of it as soon as its unleashed or just stop batman before he uses. which is possible since he’s fast enough to intercept a sniper rifle bullet imageshack.us/photo/my-images/520/62zy.jpg/ imageshack.us/photo/my-images/520/72pg.jpg/ which travels 3000 fps thats a movement speede feat and combat speed feat. batman is outmatched
    ======
    “So because they didn’t show his arm moving ”
    ==
    no i meant he couldve been watching the aim and anticpating the shot like like always does
    ===
    does durability feats are PIS with supes and the rest just shows his tolerance for pain.. he still gets his ass handed here

  96. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm -      #196

    @vamp
    nice find

  97. Amm0vamp1r3 September 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm -      #197

    @Chuck
    Thanks

  98. Chuck inglish September 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm -      #198

    And on the sniper feat DD was on the ground and still was fast enough to intercept the bullet

  99. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm -      #199

    “which travels 3000 fps thats a movement speede feat and combat speed feat. batman is outmatched”

    Grabs his damian out of the way of a bullet
    funkyimg.com/u2/1885/385/480332Batman_INC-Zone_009.jp

  100. Slayer Lowk September 30, 2012 at 4:08 pm -      #200

    “His Damian”

    Could’ve sworn I wrote his son?

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