Kylo Ren Vs Link

Kylo Ren Vs Link

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Kylo Ren (Star Wars) will go up against Link (Legend of Zelda).

Ren and Link (A Link to the Past) fight in a busy intersection in a large city.

Who emerges victorious?

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43 Comments on "Kylo Ren Vs Link"

  1. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 6:05 am -      #1

    Great, a link to the past link….
    Well, it is definitely possibly that Link will don the magic cape becoming invisible and intangible and stab ren in the eyes.
    – – –
    (fight in a busy intersection in a large city.)

    You are just determined to Gimp Link as much as possible arent you?

  2. Mea quidem sententia December 31, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #2

    Link loses.

  3. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #3

    “Link loses.”

    Considering no feats have yet been posted for Ren, what we currently have here is an invisible intangible guy vs a totally undefined character, being undefined he is assumed to be totally average at everything.

    In essence you have just said that Link loses to the average person.

    well done

  4. Mea quidem sententia December 31, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #4

    They have been. There are two other threads with Kylo Ren. Go read them. I don’t care about Star Wars, but I’m just messing with you because it’s like you completely ignored every other view. So, Kylo Ren sees Link, uses the Force, and mentally probes Link, preferably through his nostrils and info-rapes him. Then Kylo uses his unpleasant voice (if those Kylo Ren toys with the speaker is any indicator on how he sounds) to sing to Link before using his tripartite lightsaber up Link’s tender poop shoot for some Sith play. Kylo just wants to see Link’s dark side, but unfortunately, Dark Link is nowhere to be found.

  5. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #5

    “Kylo Ren sees Link, uses the Force, and mentally probes Link”

    Proof that Kylo ren can do that at any kind of distance

    Or spots him quickly in a busy intersection

    or even that that is his standard go to strategy
    – – –
    @Mea’s erotic fan fiction
    I see?

    So Link wins via the good ol intangible stab to the balls???

    got it. BankGambling award anyone?

  6. Mea quidem sententia December 31, 2015 at 12:26 pm -      #6

    God, you’re no fun. That mind-probing was part of the story. Oh well.

  7. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 12:30 pm -      #7

    “you’re no fun”

    Im sorry?
    – – –
    Loving the new avater btw

  8. Mea quidem sententia December 31, 2015 at 12:52 pm -      #8

    I was just being silly. One of the important things in the bedroom for a Jedi or Sith is Forceplay.

    Thanks. It’s been my avatar at my blog, but I guess when I switched my email to my current one on BankGambling, it carried over.

  9. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 31, 2015 at 1:58 pm -      #9

    Link uses his rap skills to beat Kylo. #HeroOfRhyme

  10. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #10

    OH God EVERYONE IS DEAD!

  11. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 5:03 pm -      #11

    Since no one seems to actually want to debate this, does anyone have any good ideas for mario maker levels, my creative well has run dry.

  12. Friendlysociopath December 31, 2015 at 5:33 pm -      #12

    Since no one seems to actually want to debate this, does anyone have any good ideas for mario maker levels

    From what I saw the guys at college dealing with, those levels are mostly two kinds:
    1) Stand still and watch the level beat itself
    2) Threaten to murder the maker, his family, and his dog as you scream at the hell you’re trying to get through

    That said, a long line of Goombas and one Koopa to throw and follow through the entire level?

  13. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #13

    1) Stand still and watch the level beat itself”

    Those are way to technically complex for me to do.
    – – –
    “2) Threaten to murder the maker, his family, and his dog as you scream at the hell you’re trying to get through”

    That is more my jam
    – – –

    “That said, a long line of Goombas and one Koopa to throw and follow through the entire level?”

    Ive tried that, but its to straight forward, hit koopa, run forward, win. I do have one runiing level, but there is fire and whomps everywhere, makes it feel kinda tense (to me anyway).
    …..
    Though it i put some springs in, some kind of maze…… hmm… i’ll look into it.

  14. LadyRamkin December 31, 2015 at 6:02 pm -      #14

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNND nope, i dont have the technical proficiency to pull something that ambitious off. Which seems to be a recurring theme.

  15. LadyRamkin January 2, 2016 at 8:18 pm -      #15

    Has anybody else noticed that Viewtiful Joe does not actually speed up or slow down time? he just kinda… accelerates or decelerates all matter in the area….. Its a really strange effect

  16. LadyRamkin January 2, 2016 at 8:27 pm -      #16

    also, does composite Cloud now include smash bros Cloud?

  17. LadyRamkin January 2, 2016 at 8:33 pm -      #17

    Also the end of Revenge of the Sith feels really forced(HA, force), the only reason that anikan goes full dark side is because he has to be vader in later films. By the end of the film he KNOWS that the sith are evil, and he also knows that the Jedi are incredibly flawed. The way that ending feels like it should have gone is that anikan stops windu AND stops palpatine, and starts a new force sensitive order that is simply not as extremist as the jedi and sith are. Might just be me but that just felt like the natural conclusion of his character arc. Suddenly joining palpatine and killing a bunch of kids seemed to come purely from the need for him to be Vader later on.

  18. LadyRamkin January 2, 2016 at 8:40 pm -      #18

    I mean, what better way to bring balance to the force than to create an order that embraces both the light and the dark, rather than joining one and destroying the other

  19. Alpha or Omega January 2, 2016 at 9:11 pm -      #19

    What in the world are you doing?
    Please stop.

  20. Darth Starkiller January 2, 2016 at 10:08 pm -      #20

    “Also, does composite Cloud now include smash bros Cloud?” I guess so, i mean it depends on your definition of “composite”.

  21. Friendlysociopath January 2, 2016 at 10:16 pm -      #21

    also, does composite Cloud now include smash bros Cloud?

    I mean I would count it but the only reason I’d ever use Composite Cloud would be for spite/ an opponent I’d do the same for otherwise.

  22. OriginalA January 3, 2016 at 12:33 am -      #22

    “also, does composite Cloud now include smash bros Cloud?”

    Composite, sure. Canon Cloud? no.

    “Also the end of Revenge of the Sith feels really forced(HA, force), the only reason that anikan goes full dark side is because he has to be vader in later films. By the end of the film he KNOWS that the sith are evil, and he also knows that the Jedi are incredibly flawed. The way that ending feels like it should have gone is that anikan stops windu AND stops palpatine, and starts a new force sensitive order that is simply not as extremist as the jedi and sith are. Might just be me but that just felt like the natural conclusion of his character arc. Suddenly joining palpatine and killing a bunch of kids seemed to come purely from the need for him to be Vader later on.”

    I disagree. Anakin has been established as a character that has issues with letting go of people that are important to him. He had this issue with his mom and her death in AotC, and it is mentioned how much both Padme (wife and love) and Palpatine mean to him (friend and mentor). On top of that, Palpatine knows that Anakin has visions of Padme dying (one of Anakin’s biggest fears, especially after his mom died) and brings that up, and tells Anakin that he can stop that; even begs Anakin to use his Sith knowledge to do exactly that. Anakin instead tells the Jedi that Palpatine is a Sith. Windu then attempts to arrest Palpatine. Eventually, Windu decides “fuck it” and goes for a kill shot despite that being extremely against the Jedi Code. Anakin already doesn’t like the Council since they have personally insulted him by not making him a Master, elevated him purely as a political move, and also asked them to spy on his own friend for them, and on top of that Windu specifically is kind of a dick to Anakin in every scene that they interact with each other in. Palpatine previously had mentioned that the Jedi are planning to take over the Republic, which is illegal and also sort of against the Jedi Code.

    Here Anakin has a choice, protect his friend who has been objectively correct with pretty much everything up until now, or let his friend die because the Jedi Order is jumping off the slippery slope and doing things that are against their own code of conduct and these guys also have personally insulted and antagonized Anakin. Anakin pleads for Windu to reconsider the on the spot execution for many reasons up to including the fact that Palpatine knows how to save Padme (although not in so many words), and just like in all of the other scenes, Windu decides to be a dick to Anakin and goes for the kill shot. Anakin does something COMPLETELY against everything he has ever done and attacks a fellow Jedi… whom Palpatine immediately executes before Anakin can even realize what’s going on.

    At this point Palpatine asks Anakin to help purge the Jedi, whom are obviously not only plotting but have now actively engaged in treason. Anakin, as a military officer of the Republic (he is a general), has a duty to uphold the law and interests of the Republic, which includes the destruction of its enemies, which is now the Jedi Order, which has been complicate in espionage, conspiracy, treason, and attempted coup d’état. I’d say Anakin has plenty of reasons to hunt down the Jedi Order.

    If you take TCW into account then Anakin has even more reasons to not like a lot of people in the Jedi Order.

    killing the kids though, that was just evil. Anakin also wasn’t part of Order 66 as a whole either. He was just leading the assault on the Temple, which is an obvious forward base to attack the Senate from and is also one of the main central command posts in the Republic’s war network.

  23. Epicazeroth January 3, 2016 at 1:24 am -      #23

    @Original: “goes for a kill shot despite that being extremely against the Jedi Code.”
    What? The Jedi kill all the time. Obi-Wan explodes Grievous’ heart like one minute prior.

    “Palpatine previously had mentioned that the Jedi are planning to take over the Republic”
    But also totally and transparently bullshit. Really, the main problem with that arc is that Palpatine’s manipulation and general evilness are so hilariously obvious.

    “Windu decides to be a dick to Anakin and goes for the kill shot”
    For totally valid reasons. It’s not like they could lock him up anyway.

    “I’d say Anakin has plenty of reasons to hunt down the Jedi Order.”
    1) It’s not treason, because they were trying to arrest Palpatine before Palpatine effected his own plan to commit treason.
    2) He is a military officer, but he’s also a Jedi. Palpatine is clearly the one breaking the “law and interests of the Republic”.
    3) When does any Jedi do anything to piss off Anakin in TCW? The only thing I can think of is when they go after Ahsoka – and they had lots of evidence for that, including the fact that Ahsoka ran.
    ––
    Unless you’re writing from Anakin’s POV. Then everything you said would make sense.

  24. OriginalA January 3, 2016 at 2:25 am -      #24

    “What? The Jedi kill all the time. Obi-Wan explodes Grievous’ heart like one minute prior.”

    They don’t kill unarmed people. Grevious was coming at Obi Wan with an Electro Staff and to stab him the face or knock him off the platform.
    Windu had Palpatine, on the ground, unarmed, and with a lightsaber in his face.

    “But also totally and transparently bullshit. Really, the main problem with that arc is that Palpatine’s manipulation and general evilness are so hilariously obvious.”

    Doesn’t change the fact that Palpatine was totally correct in this prediction, and the Jedi Council was making an illegal coup against the Republic that they swore to protect, and Windu specifically was taking the law into his own hands in this situation even though Republic Law, which Jedi are not above, demanded that Windu capture, not kill, Palpatine.

    “For totally valid reasons. It’s not like they could lock him up anyway.”

    Yes, this was part of Palpatine’s plan. This is not obvious on first inspection though and unlikely that Anakin came to the conclusion that Palpatine manipulated the situation to force the Jedi to make a coup, and because it is not obvious that Palpatine forced this situation to occur, Anakin’s genuine want to help his friend (as well as exploit his ability to save Padme) only makes it all the more tragic.

    “Unless you’re writing from Anakin’s POV. Then everything you said would make sense.”

    Yes. I totally am. “Certain point of view” and all that… and I read that part after I wrote the rest of this post. I don’t want to delete it, but also, well, you seem to realize where I’m going with this anyways.

    1)The Jedi have circumstantial evidence at best that Palpatine was behind everything. If they could prove it without doubt, you would be correct, but they cannot. On top of that, the Courts would have found Palpatine innocent, which would have been the arrest wrongful, and the actual fight of questionable legality. Windu’s attempted kill shot would be unquestionably treasonous as that is an assassination attempt.

    2) Yes, he is also a Jedi in an Order where one of the top ruling members just attempted to assassinate the Chancellor of the Republic. There is no hard proof that Palpatine has actually done anything wrong. He’s almost always used proxies, whom are all dead (except for Gunray, who Anakin kills shortly later AND literally nobody alive except for Gunray and Palpatine know that Gunray could implicate Palpatine by name dropping Sidious).

    3) Obi Wan doesn’t tell Anakin he’s going undercover; this heavily damages the trust between them.
    As you mention, they throw Ahsoka under the bus, and while they had evidence to support that, they were not obligated to expel her. Obi Wan actually argues against it; also this was before Ahsoka ran.
    Windu thanks R2 for saving him and Anakin’s life; Anakin quips that that is more thanks than he ever got from Windu, and by implication that would include the time when Anakin saved Windu’s life, Cham Sindula’s life, and a city full of innocent Twi’leks…. you know, on top of being one of the most spectacular and talented students in a generation.
    As Anakin notes to Tarkin, the Jedi Code prevents the Generals to lead an effective war effort. A particular example here is that the Jedi Code prevented a proper interrogation of Poggle the Lesser to gain valuable information (Anakin interrogates him personally, behind the backs of other Jedi, in order to get info to save Ahsoka’s life)
    Obi Wan asked Anakin to not look for R2, whom is a close friend of Anakin’s, because he is “only a droid”.
    Not to mention there is the whole attachment to Padme thing…. they kinda would expel him for that had not everyone who knew about it in the Jedi Order was deliberately not talking about… I’m pretty sure it was an Open Secret about half way through the Clone Wars and the only things keeping the Council from acting on it was Yoda deliberately choosing to not address it in any way aside from suggestion and innuendo. But the rule that Anakin was breaking was straining both his relationship with the Jedi and Padme because it prevented him from talking about it with anyone that wasn’t Padme.
    There was also Plo’koon covering for Ahsoka’s blatant lie when she tagged along for the mission to The Citidal despite Anakin’s deliberate and explicit orders that she was to not be on that mission. Plo’koon doing that, being a Jedi Master and outranking Anakin, means that it turns the situation from Anakin needing to scold Ahsoka for disobeying orders to having to grudgingly accept that Ahsoka got to disobey him and he is powerless to discipline her for the direct disobedience.

    No single issue there is going to push Anakin to the Dark Side, but piled up over years and then for Windu to blatantly be going against the Jedi Order’s ideal interpretation of their Code. It begins to look more reasonable to side with Palpatine.

    But, as I said, this is from Anakin’s POV and this is after I’ve had quite a significant amount of time to think about why he would have acted that way. Try to cram all of that into a single scene… yeah, not exactly super easy. I still think they ALMOST pulled it off though…especially when you take TCW into account (which was released after RotS was released, so it is a retroactive expanded explanation).

  25. LadyRamkin January 3, 2016 at 7:30 am -      #25

    Anakin does something COMPLETELY against everything he has ever done and attacks a fellow Jedi… whom Palpatine immediately executes before Anakin can even realize what’s going on.”

    He actually removes windus hands. which is where i start to take issue. So far everything you have said is true but anikan could have just intercepted the lightsaber. The decision to physically harm aault a jedi master comes seemingly out of nowhere,. Windu was clearly at fault here but that doesnt mean that ani had to start removing limbs.

    And then there is Palpatine killing windu. That was not faster than anikian could realise. that scene is quite long, he just watches it happen. Windu may have been in the wrong, and about to commit an illigal act, but palpatine is responsible for the entirety of the clone wars. And is currently in the act of murder.

    In that scene you had one Jedi very clearly in the wrong, and one sith whom has been in the wrong for years, and one deeply conflicted anikan skywalker whom knows that both of them are are doing very bad things. Him choosing either side over the other would have seemed forced to me, and he HAD to pick the dark side so he could be vader. But had episodes 4,5 and 6 not existed i think that it would have gone in a whole other direction.

    Which is actually largest issue with the prequels they dont feel like prequals they feel like… another universe, like marvels 1610. Everything is basically the same but different.
    – – –
    ” Windu’s attempted kill shot would be unquestionably treasonous as that is an assassination attempt.”

    Except for the 3 dead jedi on the floor.

    Had they tried to arrest him, and he had gone quietly it would have been exposed as an illegal arrest and he would have been released. Instead he killed 3 Jedi in like 4 seconds.

    That isnt even self defense as they were not actively trying to harm him at that point, palatine just up and murdered 3 people, while resisting arrest.

    Windu was trying to kill a guy that had just killed 3 other people, it was the wrong thing for him to do sure, but i doubt that could classed as assassination.
    – – –
    “There is no hard proof that Palpatine has actually done anything wrong.”

    But ankian BELIEVES he has. If he didnt then why would he report to the jedi that he was a sith lord. HE told them so that they would arrest him.
    – – –
    “As you mention, they throw Ahsoka under the bus,”

    What does happen to ahsoka?? I never did find out.
    – – –
    “TCW into account (which was released after RotS was released, so it is a retroactive expanded explanation).”

    The animated film, the 3d series or the 2d series?

    I haven’t seen any of them….

  26. LadyRamkin January 3, 2016 at 7:36 am -      #26

    “What in the world are you doing?”

    just asking questions and making observations in a stomp match no one cares about, hoping to either get some answers or spark an interesting discussion.
    I mean…. the match is here…. and virtually empty, may as well use it for something right?
    – – –
    “Please stop.”

    Why?

  27. OriginalA January 3, 2016 at 5:46 pm -      #27

    “He actually removes windus hands. which is where i start to take issue. So far everything you have said is true but anikan could have just intercepted the lightsaber. The decision to physically harm aault a jedi master comes seemingly out of nowhere,. Windu was clearly at fault here but that doesnt mean that ani had to start removing limbs.”

    Anakin does bad things when he gets emotional. It’s a running theme. He slaughtered the Sand People. He disobeyed Obi Wan and attacked Dooku on his own (which Dooku responded with pimp slapping Anakin to sit his ass down). He does TONS of questionable things during TCW. He killed Dooku in cold blood after literally disarming him. … He reacts poorly when provoked. While you are absolutely correct in that simply blocking the saber would have been enough, he is in a situation where he absolutely doesn’t want Palpatine to die (again, he’s a friend, mentor, it’s illegal, it’s immoral, it’s against the Jedi Code, and he holds the secrets Anakin needs to save Padme from certain death as far as Anakin knows and he is desperate to save her). On the flip side of this you have Windu, whom Anakin has never gotten an ounce of appreciation out of. This is a guy that’s been a dick to him for 15 years, and he’s about to kill one of Anakin’s best friends while also condemning Anakin’s love to certain death (again, as far as Anakin knows anyways). So… yeah, Anakin goes for a slightly more dramatic move that still manages to save Palpatine’s life and takes the hand off.

    “And then there is Palpatine killing windu. That was not faster than anikian could realise. that scene is quite long, he just watches it happen. Windu may have been in the wrong, and about to commit an illigal act, but palpatine is responsible for the entirety of the clone wars. And is currently in the act of murder.”

    Immediately after Palpatine kills Windu, Anakin breaks down, openly questions “What have I done?!”, has to sit down before he just falls off his own feet, drops his lightsaber, is short of breath, can’t keep eye contact, gets some words stuck in his throat mid sentence, and finally admits that Padme is the most important thing to him. … He’s not in a happy place. He’s emotionally upset and visibly shocked by his own actions. He took executing Dooku better than he’s taking this. He is very conflicted about his own actions right there, but he’s also realized that he can’t keep his double life going any longer. After his impulsive disarmament of Windu, he knows he has to face the consequences… which means either go along with Palpatine, or go back to the Jedi Order, leave Padme to die, and also be held accountable for attacking a Jedi Master in the defense of a Sith Lord. … as soon as that hand came off, Anakin’s choice was made even if he didn’t think about it before … hand. That pun wasn’t intentional.

    “That isnt even self defense as they were not actively trying to harm him at that point, palatine just up and murdered 3 people, while resisting arrest.

    Windu was trying to kill a guy that had just killed 3 other people, it was the wrong thing for him to do sure, but i doubt that could classed as assassination.”

    No, this would be an assassination in Windu’s case. Palpatine is physically spent at that point; he has nothing left to fight with. He has no weapons, his Force Lightning has been defended against and sent back at him, his is now physically deformed due to the fight, and he’s now begging for his life… He’s done. He doesn’t have any more fight left in him. Windu can arrest him, which COULD be legal and would be the moral and right thing to do (Anakin even pleads for Windu to do this)…. but Windu goes “nah, I’m gonna gut him” and takes a swipe at his head.

    This is the equivalent of a cop preforming a summary execution, on the spot, after subduing a suspect. The only time this isn’t called an assassination is when it is called an execution (or “Judgement”, but that is only in the Judge Dredd universe where beat cops are explicitly authorized to make on the spot executions).

    “But ankian BELIEVES he has. If he didnt then why would he report to the jedi that he was a sith lord. HE told them so that they would arrest him.”

    And this is good enough for the Jedi. This will not hold up in court which, as Windu points out, Palpatine has control of. Best case scenario from a legal standpoint would be the Jedi just made an quasi-legal arrest attempt of dubious misdeeds (I kinda doubt the Republic itself has a law against being a Sith Lord; the Jedi obviously have a standing mandate to hunt down the Sith).

    “The animated film, the 3d series or the 2d series?”

    The 3d 2008 series (this one’s title is full is “Star Wars: The Clone Wars”). I don’t like and generally ignore the 2d 2003 series (this one’s title in full is “Star Wars: Clone Wars”, no “the” in the title… it is a small way to differentiate them).

    “What does happen to ahsoka?? I never did find out.”

    So ***Spoilers*** for Season 5 finale of TCW:
    Ahsoka gets framed for a treasonous and terrorist act. The Jedi Council expels her from the Jedi Order at the Senate’s request so that the Senate can put her through a military trial because apparently being a member of the Jedi Order in this case would have made it a trial held by the Jedi Tribunal if she remained in the Order. Anakin and Obi Wan are against expelling her. Back in prison, Ahsoka escapes thanks to what she thinks is Anakin helping her break out… instead she is just getting framed for even more stuff. This eventually results in Ahsoka getting recaptured, thrown back in prison, but now the Republic has even more evidence to condemn Ahsoka with. The trial proceeds as you would expect and Ahsoka is found guilty; Anakin pops in at the last second and delivers the actual guilty party, who confesses on the spot; thereby freeing Ahsoka of the blame. Afterwards the Jedi Council admits they were wrong to expel her, ask for her to return to the Order and say they will promote her to Jedi Knight. She refuses and walks away after having a touching scene with Anakin.
    ***////End Spoilers***

    That’s what happens to Ahsoka in TCW. …. Now, ****SPOILERS for Rebels****
    .
    .
    .
    Ahsoka shows up again 15 years later in Rebels as an organizer for many small rebel cells sponsored by Bail Organa
    ////*spoilers*

  28. LadyRamkin January 3, 2016 at 7:16 pm -      #28

    “which means either go along with Palpatine, or go back to the Jedi Order”

    And this is what i disagree with. Which i suppose is more a problem i have with the starwars universe as a whole really,

    Those were NOT his only options, as far as i see it anyway. I feel that the issue here is that the starwars universe forces you to be either a total emotionless douchebag or a genocidal maniac.

    There is no middle ground, no balance. I mean, anikan was generally a good dude, he did his best to save as many lives as possible, but he was also very emotional, and that emotion helped him out and enabled him to so greater deeds.

    He was part jedi part sith. In that particular scene He knows that the Jedi are in the wrong, but he also knows that palpatine is somewhat responsible for every death in the entire prequel trilogy. We know he believes that because he informs the Jedi that Palpatine, his close friend, is a sith lord.

    He knows that BOTH parties are in the wrong, and yet chooses one side anyway. For everything we have seen up until that point he should not have considered joining palpatine OR going back to the Jedi, both groups that he considers evil.

    And the only reason that he has to make that choice is because starwars as a fictional universe is totally devoid of balance. You are either One extreme or the opposite extreme (when it comes to force sensitives anyway)

    Ankian is part of a prophecy that indicates he will bring balance to the force.

    As far as i see it, everything points to anikan developing his own force order one that embraces both sides of the force without taking it to extremes,

    But that doesnt happen, anikan chooses to side with palpatine and subsequently becomes darth vader. From my perspective the ONLY reason for anikan to make that choice is BECAUSE they are prequel films and he HAS to be darth vader later ,which is why the ending feels forced to me.

    It seems to break what i felt to be the natural end of his character arc. Then again i havent seen the clone wars animated series so i am apparently missing relevant context.

  29. Ninja Lowk January 3, 2016 at 8:32 pm -      #29

    … So Kylo won this right?
    He has heightened reflexes enough to block blaster bolts at close range and even catch one in mid-air.

    His ability to paralyze people with a quick gesture and it can be done with such little strain or concentration he can remain mobile while it is in effect for several moments.
    Besides that he has the basic telekinetic abilties such as lifting/pulling/pushing. He shown he strong enough to move adult human

    Not only does he have the mental intrusion techniques he has also demonstrated the power to put people to sleep.

    His Pain endurance/durability is fairly in the superhuman ranges taking a shoot that has killed/knocked people off their feet. Then trek quite a distance to catch up with someone and fight two people in succession and was winning.
    ===
    So not only does he have the ability to Freeze Link in place before he can pull out any items. He can keep him like that if he needs to close the distance or push him into traffic. Then/or vent his frustration on him like a computer terminal.

  30. Nsl98 January 3, 2016 at 9:02 pm -      #30

    Then/or vent his frustration on him like a computer terminal.

    Kylo has nothing on this guy:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=uGCxVB0KIbk

  31. OriginalA January 3, 2016 at 9:48 pm -      #31

    @LadyRamkin:
    “Those were NOT his only options, as far as i see it anyway. I feel that the issue here is that the starwars universe forces you to be either a total emotionless douchebag or a genocidal maniac.”

    Anakin, for a while at least, likes the Jedi Order. It is his life. It is what he knows. He doesn’t want to quit that. He likes that being part of his life for the most part until is frustrations with the Jedi Order alienate him so much that he decides “fuck that” and goes Sith.

    on the other hand, he loves Padme. She is everything to him outside of his life as part of the Jedi Order.

    Yes, He has more options to do things, but he only really cares about two things: The Jedi Order and Padme. The Jedi Order wants to kill Anakin’s only hope of keeping Padme alive. Turns out, Anakin prefers Padme over the Jedi Order, ergo he cuts off Windu’s hand and just doubles down on that decision.

    Padme is Anakin’s only concern during the later half of the movie, which is a good 6 or 7 month long period judging by how much more pregnant Padme looks (i.e. she doesn’t because she has to tell him rather than him guessing just by looking at her) between the scene where she tells Anakin she’s pregnant to going into labor. During this time Anakin is getting hit with Force Visions of Padme dying in child birth, for months. Palpatine comes along and says “only together can we save her”. Immediately after Windu goes out the window (Windu, window… there’s gotta be a pun there somewhere), Anakin says he can’t live without Padme. He’d do anything for Padme. Later he says he’s willing to overthrow Palpatine for Padme. At the end of the movie, even after he chokes Padme and claims that Obi Wan turned Padme against him, he is still concerned about Padme.

    Palpatine was Anakin’s ONLY hope to keep Padme alive as far as he knew. … How many choices do you really think he had that didn’t involve Palpatine but did involve staying with Padme? Cause Anakin is 100% certain Padme’s going to die in childbirth without Palpatine’s help.

    And the recurring theme here over Anakin’s entire life straight up through RotJ is that he has trouble letting go of people close to him.

    “Ankian is part of a prophecy that indicates he will bring balance to the force.”

    In RotS, Yoda begins to think that maybe the prophecy was misunderstood and begins to have doubts. Also the veracity of prophecies varies depending on your faith in them. Could he have brought balance? Sure. Is he 100% garenteed to bring balance? ….. I’ll leave that one open, but I will say that visions of the future (which is basically what a prophecy is) in Star Wars tend to be misunderstood quite often, and “depending on your point of view” he succeeds in bringing balance when he eventually does kill Palpatine in RotJ.

    “Then again i havent seen the clone wars animated series so i am apparently missing relevant context.”

    This helps out when it comes to the Prophecy. There is a 3 episode arc about it, which can be summed up as: Prophecy is misunderstood, only ruins remain.

    Also, I never said this before, but I really like your gravatar.

    @Ninja Lowk:
    “His Pain endurance/durability is fairly in the superhuman ranges taking a shoot that has killed/knocked people off their feet. Then trek quite a distance to catch up with someone and fight two people in succession and was winning.”

    That is an understatement. Kylo should have been dead within a couple of minutes of being shot. Instead, he not only survives without medical attention, but he also out runs two uninjured people, hits one with a Force Push (which takes quite a lot of concentration, which would be hard pressed to muster up considering he’s concentrating on not dying), then has TWO lightsaber fights in which he was getting nicked by a lightsaber, and he was winning for most of that time. Kylo’s endurance/durability is ridiculous!

    Obi Wan was put down by just two nicks of a lightsaber, and he wasn’t even injured at the time. Kylo fights through two nicks and that is long after getting a hole in his gut. The guy has some of the best feats in the Star Wars universe as far as it comes to taking damage and still remain fighting goes. Savage Oppress and Darth Maul are the only ones that come close while remaining capable of fighting in some capacity, and even they immediately started retreating in their condition, which was both better and worse than Kylo’s (they were losing limbs, but the wounds themselves were cauterized; Kylo had an open, bleeding wound that was only getting progressively worse as time went on).

  32. Friendlysociopath January 3, 2016 at 10:09 pm -      #32

    Kylo has nothing on this guy:

    Please be Roxas please be Roxas
    (clicks link)
    YEAAAAAH ROXAS

  33. Nsl98 January 3, 2016 at 10:16 pm -      #33

    YEAAAAAH ROXAS

    Hope he shows up more in the future. Would be cool to play as him again.

  34. LadyRamkin January 4, 2016 at 6:51 am -      #34

    “… So Kylo won this right?”

    Well, considering no one posted an feats for him, And Link has the whole Invisible AND intangible thing going for him Its was kinda one sided. They are in a crowded intersection or something, so kylo would have to pick out Link in a crown and then force him before Link puts his cape on. then simply walks through everyone until he sees kylo, and then stab him probably in his eyes. Link has some kind of fetish for that.
    – – –
    @OriginalA
    Yeah i guess…. I mean, im not saying you are wrong, i just feel that he went full evil sith lord way, WAY too quick for what he started with.
    – – –
    “Also, I never said this before, but I really like your gravatar.”

    aaaw, Thank you 😀

  35. LadyRamkin January 4, 2016 at 7:02 am -      #35

    “i just feel that he went full evil sith lord way, WAY too quick for what he started with.


    Its one thing to help palpatine to save his wife, its another to help palpatine then kill a bunch of children, and then fight your master (whom you clearly have some kind of decent relationship with) to the death over a pit of boiling… something, i assume lava.

    He spared palpatine because he needed him to save his wife, that in no way means that he has to go be evil. I just dont see how that is the next natural follow up. Anikan definitly believes that Palpatine is evil, or that he is at least responsible for the clone wars, This is like an entire 180 for his character.

    He could have saved him but not joined him, if you see what im saying.

    But he saves him, feels incredibly conflicted and then goes off to murder some kids. It just doesnt add up for me.

  36. LadyRamkin January 4, 2016 at 7:14 am -      #36

    M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-MULTIPOST
    – – –
    “Would be cool to play as him again.”

    Just as long as long you dont have to run around for an hour doing pointless chores for people.

  37. Ninja Lowk January 4, 2016 at 12:58 pm -      #37

    “Well, considering no one posted an feats for him, And Link has the whole Invisible AND intangible thing going for him Its was kinda one sided.”

    Link doesn’t start out invisible or intangible though. So that isn’t really a defense.

    TK a guy
    “Reaching out, a black-gloved hand clutched the startled lieutenant and pulled him violently forward. That metallic visage was now close, closer than Mitaka had ever been to it. As the officer struggled to breathe in that remorseless grasp, Kylo Ren’s voice took on a timbre lower and more menacing than any the lieutenant had ever heard.”
    -The Force Awakens novelization

    Paralyzes Poe
    “Initially driven by pure rage, Poe now found that he could not move. His heart pounded, his lungs heaved, but his voluntary muscles refused to respond. He was paralyzed as effectively as the blast from his blaster.”
    -The Force Awakens novelization

    Paralyzes Rey
    “Until, evidently, he tired of it. He raised a hand, held it toward her, palm outward. As she inhaled sharply, her hand froze on the blaster. She tried to turn, to run, but her legs refused to respond. She could only stand there among the trees, taking in slow, measured breaths, as he came toward her.”

    Put person to sleep
    “The squad leader saluted, lingered a moment to look on in fascination as at a gesture from Ren the young woman standing motionless before him collapsed, and then he hastened to relay the command lest his interest in something that was none of his business be noticed.”
    ===
    “They are in a crowded intersection or something”

    Busy Intersection normally just have cars in them. otherwise someone risks getting hit. Not hard to pick out another person from a lot a cars driving around.
    media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ScientificAmerican/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City.jpg
    www.cityofredlands.org/sites/default/files/pictures/AL&CA/losc.jpg
    i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/i67fdhj2pizumpy94fnk.gif
    Especially when the guy is wearing a Bright green hat and tunic and nothing else. While carrying a sword and bright blue and yellow shield
    vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/0/05/Link_Artwork_1_(A_Link_to_the_Past).png/revision/latest?cb=20090331010533
    Link doesn’t start out invisible and he doesn’t exactly blend beforehand unless they happen to be at a convention.

  38. OriginalA January 4, 2016 at 1:58 pm -      #38

    “Yeah i guess…. I mean, im not saying you are wrong, i just feel that he went full evil sith lord way, WAY too quick for what he started with.”

    As I’ve said before, watching TCW helps flesh this out a bit. But at the same time the movies should be able to stand on their own, both individually and as a set, so TCW is helpful context, but it isn’t an excuse for lazy writing. Now I enjoy TCW a lot, and I’ve watched it a lot, and it is hard to deliberately and willfully “forget” about how much that adds to the context. I don’t watch my dvds all that often, so it probably has been close to 7 years since I have seen RotS without also having some additional context from TCW thrown in there to shift my perception of the scene.

    “Its one thing to help palpatine to save his wife, its another to help palpatine then kill a bunch of children, and then fight your master (whom you clearly have some kind of decent relationship with) to the death over a pit of boiling… something, i assume lava.”

    Oddly enough, I think the AotC+RotS together set up Anakin and Obi Wan’s relationship to be very strained reasonably well. in AotC, Anakin is publicly humiliated by Obi Wan for saying something… About 30 minutes later into the film, turns out Anakin was 100% right. On top of that, Obi Wan asking Anakin to spy on Palpatine (not to mention Obi Wan’s unwavering suspicious about all senators), I can see how that can be strained. TCW actually makes this a bit less believable because Obi Wan and Anakin get along fairly well there. And for the icing on the cake, Obi Wan shows up with Padme at the end of RotS… I always got the feeling that Anakin got the impression that the two of them together arriving at Mustafar meant that Padme was cheating on Anakin with Obi Wan, hence even more anger for the fight.

    “He could have saved him but not joined him, if you see what im saying.

    But he saves him, feels incredibly conflicted and then goes off to murder some kids. It just doesnt add up for me.”

    Well he was going to overthrow him. Then the whole duel with Obi Wan happened, Padme died, and he was crippled, and he kinda just lost all his ambition.

    As for the kids… Now even while playing devil’s advocate for Anakin here, even I have to admit that is really extreme, but I’m still going to try (*Yoda walks in*: Do or do not; there is no try).
    The Jedi are almost raised from birth in the Jedi Temple. They are trained to use the Force and a lightsaber. They are not opposed to sending teenagers to fight in a war (Ahsoka is 14 when she enters the Clone Wars with the rank of Commander). And the Jedi are dogmatic in their ideology.

    These are arguably cultist child soldiers. Who knows how far back the treasonous ideological indoctrination goes back! Better kill them just to be safe. Also they were armed… clearly a threat. Yeah, that’s totally it. … and that would be the justification of Palpatine’s orders to Anakin, who holds Padme’s life ransom for his cooperation. Meanwhile this is really Palpatine scoring double points for his plan; wipe out the Jedi AND condition the newly minted Lord Vader to commit atrocities! Yey!

  39. LadyRamkin January 4, 2016 at 2:59 pm -      #39

    “Link doesn’t start out invisible or intangible though.”

    And Kylo doesnt start out TKing. As far as i am concerned its whomever does their thing frist. And before Kylo can do his thing he has to spot Link, whereas Link just has to put on a cape.

    Which, for me, makes this a 55/45 win in Links favor.

    Can i porve that Link would do that first?
    No

    Can anyone else prove he wont?
    No

    Can anyone prove he is more likely to do anything else?
    No

    A Link to the past Link has some nice gear, but is horrible to debate. Since he has no dialog, no cut scenes, no direct canon backstory. Almost everything he does is player driven.

    The only actual character assessment that can be kinda made is that he doesnt hurt innocent people.

    This can potentially be inferred by the fact that all hylians are immune to damage, which either means they are really durable or Link just doesn’t hurt them.

    But he can hurt chickens…….
    – – –
    “As I’ve said before, watching TCW helps flesh this out a bit.”

    Well that is what i will do then

    Well, this has been an interesting chat, but i really dont have anything else to say on the matter. Thank you for the discussion. May the force be with you.

  40. Ninja Lowk January 4, 2016 at 4:29 pm -      #40

    “And Kylo doesnt start out TKing. As far as i am concerned its whomever does their thing frist. And before Kylo can do his thing he has to spot Link, whereas Link just has to put on a cape.”

    Since when do FP battles start with the combatants not facing one another by defualt? They are fighting, not hunting one another.
    The battlefield just happen to be filled with the hazard of cars around them. Which again isn’t going to hide a bright green adorned blond hair dude with a sword unless you skew the fight so that Link starts out hidden behind one.
    ===
    On a slightly unrelated note: I think Tr-8r might become this generations Boba Fett.

  41. LadyRamkin January 4, 2016 at 4:54 pm -      #41

    “Since when do FP battles start with the combatants not facing one another by defualt? ”

    When the rules dont say they do??? I mean, if no location was given i would automatically agree with you, but since a location HAS been provided none of rule 4 is in effect,

    This IS a rather trivial point so im not going to argue against it. And Myrmidon clearly Wants Link to be at as big a disadvantage as possible to prove some kind of point.

    So they start facing each other at unknown distance in a busy intersection.

    Does Kylo need to maintain line of sight in order to force someone?

    And does the effect happen as soon as the points a them

    does it have a maximum range

    And does he immediately force all of his opponents??? Because i only remember him doing it to the ones with guns, he was all to happy to engage in melee and Link clearly has a melee weapon.

    does he have to maintain focus? A busy intersection is not the best place to concentrate on anything.
    – – –
    “I think Tr-8r might become this generations Boba Fett.”

    I personally have never understood the bobafett hype. Dude turns up, follows a ship, then falls in a hole….. i just dont get it,

    But i have absolutely no idea who Tr-8r is

  42. Friendlysociopath January 4, 2016 at 5:03 pm -      #42

    The battlefield just happen to be filled with the hazard of cars around them.

    That does kind of mean their first move is responding to the environment around them; it would only make sense that they would both give a damn about the inevitable screaming and swerving and wreckage that will come from two people suddenly spawning in the middle of an intersection.

    I think Tr-8r might become this generations Boba Fett.

    I won’t be sad about that, albeit I hope the directors don’t seriously twist entire portions of the series around just because of a fad.

  43. LadyRamkin January 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm -      #43

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I am a total fucking idiot

    My brain somehow, in some way managed to make Link and spider-man the same dude. I have literally no idea how it managed that but it did,

    I would therfore like to issue an apology to Myrmidon for any hostility i may have directed at him/her over the course of this particular match.

    Seriously i cant stop laughing at that.
    – – –
    “That does kind of mean their first move is responding to the environment around them; it would only make sense that they would both give a damn about the inevitable screaming and swerving and wreckage that will come from two people suddenly spawning in the middle of an intersection.”

    And what better way to respond to a new potentially hostile enviroment than to become invisible and intangible….. right…. RIGHT?!?!

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