Samus Aran: Power Armor Gauntlet

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Suggested by  Mea quidem sententia

All characters are their current incarnation, except Samus. Her incarnation will be based after Metroid II: Return of Samus (RoS). Any character who has a story mode must remain true to their story mode. This means any character who has a story mode is only permitted to using story mode equipment. For example, while Dragonborn could learn to use magic or be thieving, he would only be granted scaled armor and steel weapons. He would also be a warrior, not a mage or thief. This is what I mean by story mode only. All characters will also be granted innate abilities (skill). If a character like Samus didn’t demonstrate the ability to use concentration in RoS, she will be allowed this, only because the time between RoS and Metroid: Other M never grants Samus a time to learn this ability as this period immediately follows one after another. So it is for everyone else.

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158 Comments on "Samus Aran: Power Armor Gauntlet"

  1. AbsoluteZero January 7, 2016 at 4:42 am -      #1

    First off, defining Commander Shepard’s class is important, or is this composite shepard?

  2. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 5:05 am -      #2

    Would Gordon be allowed his canon super charged gravity gun?

  3. lethal_gecko January 7, 2016 at 5:14 am -      #3

    Chief gets access to Spartan Lasers in Halo so he should perform fine. I don’t know too much about Samus but from what I’ve heard she’s uber powerful

  4. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 8:11 am -      #4

    @AbsoluteZero
    No composites. Story mode only for characters in games involving a story mode or anything similar to it.

    @pimpmage
    If it’s an item he acquires. I don’t think its against his character if he has a story mode. I’ve never played the games, so I’ll need assistance. Samus’ best showing against gravity without the gravity suit is 5+ times Earth’s gravity.

    @lethal_gecko
    Is the item in Halo 5? If so, can MC use it? If neither, then MC isn’t given either.

  5. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 8:24 am -      #5

    “If it’s an item he acquires. I don’t think its against his character if he has a story mode. I’ve never played the games, so I’ll need assistance. Samus’ best showing against gravity without the gravity suit is 5+ times Earth’s gravity.”

    Heh, you think it changes gravity, Cute!
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnB5ffKJLtk

  6. LadyRamkin January 7, 2016 at 8:26 am -      #6

    “All characters will also be granted innate abilities (skill). If a character like Samus didn’t demonstrate the ability to use concentration in RoS, she will be allowed this,”

    So….. Samus, in her RoS incarnation, will be allowed to use concentration because it is a skill rather than an acquired item???

    But what if her RoS incarnation just did not know how to do that???? You still have to learn skills.
    – – –
    Does Samus accumulate damage in this gauntlet, or is it a series of standard 1 v 1 matches?

  7. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 8:49 am -      #7

    Oh, Jim Raynor has 3 things from the story mode that I can remember off the top of my head. He has an experimental chrono rift device that slows time in a moderate sized area. He has an experimental plasma gun that 1 hits tanks. and he has his vulture bike. Oh, he also has a gigantic explosive sniper seen here:
    youtu.be/nWg86x0mmGo?t=9621
    Check 2:40:20

  8. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 9:29 am -      #8

    @pimpmage
    Like I said, I’ve never played Half-Life. I don’t think it’ll be an issue, though.

    It looks more like a high calibre bullet.

    @LadyRamkin
    The time between RoS and MOM doesn’t allow Samus to learn concentration, so she must have learned in long before MOM. Besides, concentration looks like a weaker form of crystal flash, which was demonstrated in SM. However, SM follows immediately after RoS. I have granted everyone else the same thing, provided their skills were in previous games. Remember, all but Samus is in their current incarnation. This is the only weakest version of Samus I could use.

    Originally, I was going to have Samus not heal per person, but that was with the SM incarnation I originally was going to use.

  9. LadyRamkin January 7, 2016 at 9:45 am -      #9

    “The time between RoS and MOM doesn’t allow Samus to learn concentration”

    we have an actual time frame for that??

  10. lethal_gecko January 7, 2016 at 9:54 am -      #10

    Yes the Splaser is in Halo 5, and Chief has access to any UNSC weapon guaranteed as they’re all available in his story mode. The same applies to Covenant and Promethean weapons. Some legendary variants can also be found as well.
    Assuming Samus isn’t Didact or Space Marine Primarch level then the Chief should be alright given the correct weapons and equipment.

  11. LadyRamkin January 7, 2016 at 10:03 am -      #11

    Doesn’t electromagnetic energy canonically wreck spartan shields?

    Doesnt plasma canonically wreck Spartans without shields??

    I mean…. they might no, i haven’t played halo 4 or 5. But im pretty sure that was the case in 1 -3

    And Samus can rapid fire both……. maybe…..

    If i remember correctly Samus can only have one beam type at a time in RoS, and has to re acquire previous ones????

  12. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 10:49 am -      #12

    @LadyRamkin
    Yes. After RoS, Samus takes the baby to Ceres Space Station where the baby can be studied. As Samus leaves, she’s signaled that the station is under attack. SM covers this in the beginning. After SM, Samus is busy about thinking about the baby. Peace is finally in the galaxy. But then Samus receives a distress signal that leads up to MOM.

    @lethal_gecko
    All right. But the Spartan Laser takes time to use. This gives Samus enough time to sense that danger. Samus has also dealt with lasers in RoS. They’re pulsed, but still. Based on the spazer’s name and its same design as the lasers fired by autracks, Samus can fire three lasers at once. Her plasma beam is pretty much an electrolaser, but its piercing effect comes from the laser alone. This can pierce through multiple enemies, so that would need to be a pretty powerful weapon in order to do that.

    Do I think the Spartan Laser isn’t powerful? No. But it has a slower rate of charge and is limited, whereas the plasma beam isn’t.

    @LadyRamkin
    The acquisition of multiple beams may have had limited data, kind of line the original Metroid for the NES. Just like Kirby, I’m permitting all beams in RoS. They just won’t stack in the same way Samus’ beams are in Metroid Prime. In MP, Samus can select beams, but not use them at the same time. However, I think Samus’ preferred weapon will be the plasma beam. It is in her character to use the ice beam, followed up by a missile. But Samus isn’t stupid. When she fought Dark Samus in the final battle in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, the pamphlet that came with the Metroid Prime Trilogy describes Samus as hatching a plan by using Phazon particles against DS when she’d launche those to harm Samus. So Samus didn’t have the Phazon beam, but she absorbed the particles into her charged beam.

  13. Friendlysociopath January 7, 2016 at 11:24 am -      #13

    So by Mea’s rules- I think the Survivor is screwed. Isn’t pretty much the only canon showing of them when they’ve just left the vault?
    That’s crap armor and a 10mm pistol and not much else.

    Canon Shepard is a Soldier-class, correct? Albeit they did make a point in making Fem-Shep and Male-Shep both get trailers and everything else.

  14. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 11:28 am -      #14

    @Friendlysociopath
    Surely, Sole Survivor gets more than those.

    I’ve never played Mass Effect, so I wouldn’t know. I’ll stick with the male incarnation, though.

  15. Lolilover47 January 7, 2016 at 11:45 am -      #15

    Well, yo. Finally got a BankGambling account
    I’d say she might solo this high diff – mainly Raiden being the hard part

  16. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 12:09 pm -      #16

    Welcome to BankGambling. I tried making this match fair, and seeing as how I suggested this match, I will make changes so this match isn’t one-sided. I’ve only played Halo 2, but only a little bit, which means I went into this match blind.

  17. OriginalA January 7, 2016 at 12:17 pm -      #17

    Friendly said: “Canon Shepard is a Soldier-class, correct?”

    By default, yes.

    Mae said: ” I’ll stick with the male [shepard] incarnation, though.”

    male/female doesn’t make a difference here.

    Mae said: “After SM, Samus is busy about thinking about the baby. Peace is finally in the galaxy. But then Samus receives a distress signal that leads up to MOM.”

    Wut? Samus is so out of it, according to her “I don’t know how much time past since [end of SM]” since LadyRamkin’s question was “how much time past during that gap”… this is like the ultimate “got no idea” answer there could possibly be. … although I agree that Samus probably already knew the Concentration ability, as I think that is something the Chozo taught her back when she lived on Zebes.

    LadyRamkin said: “If i remember correctly Samus can only have one beam type at a time in RoS, and has to re acquire previous ones????”

    This is correct. I’m tempted to argue that it is a game mechanical limitation since by this point it is the only, through retcons and prequels, this is the only point in time where Samus could not carry multiple beams (seen in prime 1, 2 and Hunters), or a stacked beam (seen in Zero Mission and prime 3), in her suit.

    Mae said: “If it’s an item he acquires. I don’t think its against his character if he has a story mode. I’ve never played the games, so I’ll need assistance. Samus’ best showing against gravity without the gravity suit is 5+ times Earth’s gravity.”

    Okay, so the Gravity Gun has a mode that it usually has. Late in Half Life 2, and early on in HL2 Episode 1, the Gravity Gun gets empowered by Dark Energy which overcharges the weapon and increases its abilities. The only times that the Gravity Gun is in it’s Super Gravity Gun state is while Freeman is inside the Citadel. Also it seems to wear off over time since Freeman needs to reenergize the Gravity Gun in Episode 1 in order for it to become the Super Gravity Gun again. and that doesn’t last for the entire game either. … although probably long enough for an extended fight with Samus.

    Anyways… good to see James Flemming and Sam Gideon. They make a good pair.

  18. Lolilover47 January 7, 2016 at 12:26 pm -      #18

    Out of all the people, Gordon and Mr. Fallout guy are probably going out first.

  19. Friendlysociopath January 7, 2016 at 12:28 pm -      #19

    Surely, Sole Survivor gets more than those.

    Well they can, but your directions lead me to believe they’ll be stuck with only the weapons and armor they canonically gain in trailers and such
    (Via the Dragonborn bit)
    If you mean “are there additional guns and armors you can gain as you progress through the story?” then yes, they exist. You get power-armor and a minigun fairly early in the story.

    That said, few feats for Gideon:
    He’s quite agile thanks to his suit, and it makes him fairly strong as well
    imgur.com/Fb4hV02

    Also he’s got some good reflexes
    imgur.com/icxSzny

    Also he apparently has a bullet-time feature
    imgur.com/8WAOgph

    I don’t know if this is strength or speed but he drills straight through a mech
    imgur.com/UwhOYF9

    While possibly regulated under game mechanics
    imgur.com/qvApBfC
    He can take an explosive and his suit repairs itself

  20. LadyRamkin January 7, 2016 at 12:34 pm -      #20

    Samus gets concentration because it is a skill correct?

    By that same reasoning Samus get the crystal flash yes?

    Concentration allows samus to pull ammo out of her meticulously sculpted arse.

    And crystal flash lets her consume ammo to regain health.

    Samus can essentially fully charge her shields and ammo when ever she likes, making her much much harder to put down.

    One of the many many reasons i discount Other M when i suggest a match with Samus in.

  21. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 1:13 pm -      #21

    @OriginalA.
    You’ll notice that after Samus escapes Zebes, she is instructed to use concentration by the quarantine officer, meaning she knew the ability before the rest of the time passed. Either way, given that concentration is necessary to maintain the power suit, I’d say it’s also of Chozo origin.

    I determined Jason’s top speed to be Mach 2.37, I believe, based on the Mach angle. Or it might be Mach 2.73. I don’t remember. It should be at my thread for this match at the match aide. I’m hoping this was his and Gideon’s debut.

    @Friendlysociopath
    I suppose Dragonborn might be a special case. Are there other weapons Sole Survivor uses? I just want to make sure we can avoid composite forms.

    @LadyRamkin
    Crystal flash can only be performed with power bombs. Samus doesn’t have power bombs in RoS. pimpmage was concerned about a stomp match, so I used RoS. No power bombs, no speed booster. Concentration can only be used when Samus’ energy tanks are critical. In other words, concentration canot be used to restore energy unless Samus is below 50 energy from what I recall. Missiles can be restored at any time, though. So concentration isn’t broken.

  22. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 7, 2016 at 1:15 pm -      #22

    Just to clarify, you meant Prophet from Crysis, correct?

  23. Ninja Lowk January 7, 2016 at 1:38 pm -      #23

    “By default, yes.”

    Boooo!
    Vanguard Shep is best Shep.
    ===
    So Shep has the blackstorm and Cain, right? Because unless Samus’ shields and and armor are weak against emps and rounds hotter then thermite, I don’t think he has much in the way of doing much damage.

  24. LadyRamkin January 7, 2016 at 1:40 pm -      #24

    “Samus doesn’t have power bombs in RoS”

    … really? o.O

    RoS was the first Metroid game i played and that was…… years and years ago… hmm.

    Who knew?? (excluding all the people that knew)

  25. Friendlysociopath January 7, 2016 at 1:49 pm -      #25

    I’m hoping this was his and Gideon’s debut.

    Gideon has a match against Chief back from the days when everyone fought Chief.

    Are there other weapons Sole Survivor uses?

    I mean, it’s a sandbox game Mea, any one weapon is about as likely as any other. But in general:
    10mm pistol
    Minigun
    Laser Musket
    Fat-Man
    The pistol from the dude who steals your kid
    Anyone else know weapons that are from core quests to the storyline progression?

    @Lolilover47
    Welcome to BankGambling

    Gideon can apparently use the BLADE part of his suit to make a bunch of different weapons- pistols, assault rifles, rocket launcher, lock-on laser, and something called the LIFE gun.

  26. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 2:03 pm -      #26

    @CHIC4N0444
    Yes. I don’t know why that wasn’t listed. I may have forgotten after I rearranged the list.
    Fixed it

    @LadyRamkin
    Yep. RoS may have played a part in Samus’ standard outload, but the gravity suit, speed booster, super missiles, and power bombs weren’t present. My current understanding of Samus’ missiles have a TNT yield of 7.16 kg. of TNT. Running speed is 30 m/s and the varia adds 50% damage reduction, as well as a 10% increase in speed, so this incarnation can run 33 m/s.

    @Ninja Lowk
    Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (MP2:E) has space pirates with EMP grenades. It’ll affect Samus’ visor by scrambling it momentarily. The Metroid Prime Trilogy comes before RoS. Thermite should harm Samus. She doesn’t have protection against temperatures reaching 800 centigradewith this incarnation. At best, 300+ centigrade convection won’t harm Samus. So, thermite should work, but not outright kill her, due to the 50% damage reduction.

    @Friendlysociopath
    Those weapons look good. Fatman seems to be like Davey Crockett as a real life counterpart.

  27. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 2:08 pm -      #27

    “and the varia adds 50% damage reduction, as well as a 10% increase in speed, so this incarnation can run 33 m/s.”

    People quote this like it means anything. Damage reduction is a game mechanic, and not quantifiable. Would it take 50% reduced damage from the big bang? What about having a piece of toast thrown at it? And that speed bit, prove it.

  28. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 2:36 pm -      #28

    @pimpmage
    It does mean something. The name of the varia suit is actually barrier suit, and its purpose is to add more protection. That’s always been its purpose and the 50% damage reduction was consistent from Metroid (NES) to Super Metroid. It’s this way in MOM, which came out in 2010 with SM coming out in 1994. That’s pretty consistent. As for the speed, Samus has outrun a powdered avalanche, which travels 25 m/s on a low-end. Seeing as how Samus is ahead of it, I rounded it. The 10% speed increase is noticeable in RoS. I tested the item in a corridor that led to the varia suit. I timed before and after.

    As for the big bang, it really wouldn’t matter because Samus would be dead anyway. A piece of toast doesn’t exceed what Samus can withstand. In Metroid, after defeating Thardus, a huge rock just about the size of Samus’ head bounces off of her, and all she does is look back like, “The hell was that?”

  29. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 2:38 pm -      #29

    *Metroid Prime

  30. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 2:59 pm -      #30

    I don’t think you got my point. Her suit doesn’t stop time, calculate the force that can be done to it by a big bang, reduce it by 50%, then resume time and apply 50% reduced damage to her suit. It doesn’t matter if she can’t survive it or not. It does not reduce all damage to the nth degree. It is a game mechanic that isn’t quantifiable, besides having an an unknown amount of increased durability.

  31. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 3:32 pm -      #31

    @pimpmage
    metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=m2_manual&image_id=11

    Kind of hard to be a game mechanic when the descriptions from the manuals aren’t affected by game mechanics.

  32. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 3:55 pm -      #32

    So you ARE saying, that besides her inability to survive a big bang(as an example) her armor would reduce the force exerted on herself by 50% STILL?

  33. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 4:07 pm -      #33

    @pimpmage
    I’m simply going off what the manuals and the official Web sites say. You’re doubting canon, so you’ll need to be the one to prove it.

  34. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 4:09 pm -      #34

    No. You are stating that that armor could reduce the damage to itself from from extreme forces upwards of a big bang. I’m calling bullshit. Thats NLF. I was simply trying to coax this out as an nlf.

  35. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 7, 2016 at 4:32 pm -      #35

    “Yes. I don’t know why that wasn’t listed. I may have forgotten after I rearranged the list.
    Fixed it”

    Awesome. So, I’ll try to look for feats for Prohpet. Off of memory, in the games he can casually kick and/or punch cars across streets, run fast enough to set off street lights(so, over 45mph. That’s standard speed limits, right? At least it is here in AZ, maybe not in NY), and can casually shrug off APC round. I’ll find videos for it later.
    =
    So, Alcatraz can react in microseconds and swing with thousands of gs:

    “So I deflect the swing at the last microsecond, pull off to the left, and however many thousand g’s these carbon-nanomyofibrils pull just kinda glance off the respirator and the momentum spins me around like I was sideswiped by a semi and I am going down, man, I am spinning like a ballet dancer into all that flaccid plastic and I can hear bladders popping and tearing all along the tunnel, wrapping around me and I am on the floor, gift-wrapped for the delectation of some giantmutant flea out of an old Bowie album.”
    =
    Technobabble that I can’t say I entirely understand, so I’ll let the smart people decipher it.

    “Start with a honeycombed coltan/titanium exoskeleton, for 32% greater strength than the N1 at half the weight. Wrap it in CryNet’s patented artificial muscle: an armored carbon-nanofiber composite storing elastic energies of up to 20 J/cm^3, with electromechanical coupling that exceeds 70% under most battlefield conditions. Sheathe it all in a flexible doped-ceramic epidermis and a Faraday weave that shields against EMPs while still supporting telemetric throughput of up to 15 TB/sec.”
    =
    Laughs off anything that isn’t a nuke.

    “Put it all together and you have a combat chassis that laughs at almost anything short of a direct hit with a battlefield nuke. (In fact, in three out of five simulations, the Nanosuit 2.0 even withstood the point-blank detonation of a Lockheed AAF 212 Circuit-Breaker™!*)”

    Where the fuck was all this when I was playing the game!?
    =
    Uhm, more technobabble?

    “And what fuels this unmatched combination of power and protection?

    Virtually anything.

    While the N2’s primary coupling is compatible with any BVN-series hydrogen cell, the suit also acquires and stores energy automatically from a wide range of ambient sources: kinetic motion, passive solar/thermal, and atmospheric microwave to name but a few.

    The standard-issue universal adapter allows recharging from virtually any hardline electrical source, domestic or military—and with CryNet’s optional Necro-Organic Metabolites plug-in (NOM), the N2 can even extract usable energy from battlefield carrion!”
    =
    8 Megajoule gauss rifles are useless and then throws the shooter through bullet proof glass.

    “Behold, motherfucker. I stand at the door and knock.
    The door blows off its hinges.
    Lockhart blows back, Gauss gun cradled against his gut: “Come on. Come on! Show me the color
    of your guts, boy!”
    The joke’s on him, of course. My insides and outsides are all the same color by now, all honeycombed and striated and gunmetal gray, and they barely feel the impact of Lockhart’s sabots.
    “Fuck you, Tin Man.”

    I throw Lockhart through the window. He arcs down past two stories, clears the razor wire, hits the gravel road facedown not ten meters from the inner compound.”
    =
    Falls from a decent height. I haven’t read the book, but if it’s the level I’m thinking of, he was around cloud level from what I recall.

    “Where am I now? Far beneath the tumor in the sky, at least. I must have shot out the bottom of that rock pile a split second after the spire sucked me in. Surely I’m back on earth, back under it, down in the deep dark levels where extinctions are made. The spore blasts down, around, past me like a storm of needles, like ball bearings from a railgun. BUD strafes my visual cortex with yellow-coded updates on epidermal integrity and maximum armor settings but it’s all just talk; the suit’s abrading around me like a heat shield on reentry.

    I try to bring it up but the wind resistance is too great; the most I can do is aim down and off-center, toward the wall of the shaft. Could be conduits along this thing, right? Could be power lines and vital circuitry. I fire blind, empty all my grenades into the maelstrom; the wind yanks the empty weapon
    away. I think I might hear a distant muffled boom over the howling of the wind. Maybe not.

    Invader.
    Infection.
    There.
    They swallow me whole, billow around me like some monster amoeba. The suit catches fire.
    That’s what it looks like, anyway: that orbital time-lapse of burning rain forests where half of
    SouthAm is sheathed in orange sparkles. Only the smoke isn’t rising from the tiny fires burning across
    my body; the smoke is falling into them, it’s precipitating, it’s condensing down into the light. It’s
    Brazil, run backward. The suit drinks in the spore; the embers fade along my arms and legs. Nothing
    else happens for a moment or two.

    My fingertips start to tingle. My fingertips start to glow.
    I begin to brighten from the outside in.
    All those black specks, resurrected. All that ash turned back into flame. The particles rise like a blizzard of stars: from my arms, from my chest, from my legs and feet. So much mass, escaping; it seems impossible that any might be left behind. Perhaps my very molecules are flying apart, perhaps my whole body’s ablating into luminous mist.
    Suddenly I’m as incandescent as a goddamn angel.”
    =
    Durability of the Ceph, the aliens that you’re able to regularly beat down in the game.

    “And then it fires, point-blank, and I’m flat on my back and I should be dead but I’m not. In the next second it’s on me like a fucking panther and I can see the meat inside all that metal: grayish, translucent, like a jellyfish. Dim brownish orange blobs deep inside that have to be organs, four thick fleshy tentacles flailing out the back. And one part of me’s thinking What the hell kind of armor leaves your guts exposed, but another part’s thinking Those guts are the last thing you’re ever gonna see, asshole—because I’m already down, man, without firing a shot, it caught me flat-footed and flipped me like a bug on its back. And it should be game over right there, but then it just—

    I grab that fucker by the horns, I jam my pistol into the gray goo and start firing. The thing pulls
    away, makes this whistling sound—cold, winter-wind sound—and I’m back up just like that, the
    alien brings its weapon up again but I block, I jab, I don’t even think about it. The suit’s got its own
    reflexes, force multipliers, motion multipliers. Turns a flinch into a right hook. It barely waits for me
    to move before responding, I could almost swear it’s moving me. I lift that alien motherfucker over
    my head and pitch it off the roof like I was throwing a Hacky Sack.

    No sign of the bogeyman. Which means it walked away from my bullets, the beating I laid on it, and a three-story fall. Tough little fucker after all, gelatin constitution notwithstanding.

    If someone else from my squad made it out we could get this straightened out in no time. Castle Clinton it is.

    There are pieces on the ground. Oh, look: a Jackal semi-auto, barely used. That could come in handy. Oh, look: the arm and torso of the guy who barely used it. It is not wearing an army uniform.

    Not real army, anyway.”
    =
    This is all during Crysis 2, but it’s applicable to the nanosuit in general.

  36. LadyRamkin January 7, 2016 at 4:49 pm -      #36

    “Doubles the energy absorption of Samus cybernetic suit”

    So what it really does is increase her durability by 100%

    It doesn’t actually half all incoming force, but twice the amount of energy is needed to make the shield lose 1… losenge? blip? point?

    This effectively reduces all damage by 50%, without actually reducing the effect of the incoming force.

    yes??

    If a punch reduces her shield by 2, the upgrade means that a punch would reduce it by 1 instead, without actually altering the amount of energy in the punch, or directly cutting anything by 50%

    there, we all win.

  37. OriginalA January 7, 2016 at 4:53 pm -      #37

    “50% damage reduction”, once removed from game mechanics, means that Samus’s shields operate at 100% efficiency compared to what they were before (base Power Suit shields). It takes twice as much force to incur equal damage. Shields take energy to power and power is drained when shields are stressed by attacks. More efficient shields means less energy is drained by equal forces. What once would have drained her shields by 50 energy now only drains them by 25… 50% damage reduction is the same as more efficient energy usage… its the same thing.

  38. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 5:06 pm -      #38

    @pimpmage
    It’s not an NLF because Samus is still receiving damage and she’d be dead from a big bang, regardless.

    @CHIC4N0444
    That looks like it’s saying the Prophet swung at the last microsecond, not that he can react at the microsecond range. As for gees, those appear to be his muscle fibers, so I don’t think it’s the force, just the fibers, which would generate a lot of force.

    As for nukes, not all durability feats are static. You could survive the heat of something, but that wouldn’t apply to anything else, such as energy, force, pressure, low thermal energy, optics, &c. That might explain why the Prophet can withstand direct hits 3/5 of the time, but still receive damage. There is also that durability mode, right?

  39. Aelfinn January 7, 2016 at 5:14 pm -      #39

    I maintain that Raiden defeats Samus, and is too fast for her to deal with.

  40. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 5:19 pm -      #40

    “It’s not an NLF because Samus is still receiving damage and she’d be dead from a big bang, regardless.”

    NO. You are trying to twist a statistic to mean what it doesnt. You are trying to say samus’s armor can reduce damage neigh infinite damage by 50% because of game mechanics. I DONT CARE IF SHE WONT SURVIVE IT OR NOT. That is not how her fucking armor works. You are supposed to be the samus buff here, that is incredibly sad to see you are wanking this game mechanic statistic to nth degrees.

  41. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 7, 2016 at 5:23 pm -      #41

    “That looks like it’s saying the Prophet swung at the last microsecond, not that he can react at the microsecond range.”

    I’ve seen people mention that the nanosuit allows for .08 millisecond reaction times. Nothing I’ve looked up has had any mention of that though.

    But wouldn’t able to process things in that range imply having that level of reaction time? Also, not Prophet, but it’s just general capabilities of the nanosuit.
    =
    “As for nukes, not all durability feats are static.”

    I get that, but it just seems really setting breaking in comparison to the rest of the game.

    Speaking of his durability, isn’t Samus’s primary weapons energy based anyways? So, wouldn’t that be relevant here?

  42. OriginalA January 7, 2016 at 5:29 pm -      #42

    I just noticed Lady Ramkin ninja’d mean…. SNEAKY NINJAS!!!

    Also, gah I hate the Crysis novel so much… It is just wank incarnate. The whole thing reads like it’s trying too hard to be super awesome amazing. Feels like bad fanfiction to me. … Not that I’m disputing it or anything; I’m just voicing my opinion about the material. … now let’s talk about 900g Zebes 😛



    That was a joke.

    I think the fight with Raiden might end up as a mutual kill. Samus’s reactions are fast and her weapons are strong.

  43. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 5:53 pm -      #43

    @pimpmage
    I’m not wanking anything. I’ll accept what you say, though. Samus has dealt with various forms of energy to where that much can be supported anyway. But I still maintain that it’s not a game mechanic on the basis that it’s suported outside of game play.

    @CHIC4N0444
    I believe the 0.8 ms is with regard to how fast the armor can react prior to damage, not necessarily visual or auditory stimuli.

    Samus has directed-energy weapons. The power beam is referred to as “energy beam”. The ice beam utilizes low thermal energy, which freezes targets to their freezing point. The wave beam uses electromagnetic radiation based on how other beam weapons similar to it are described as light energy or high-frequency beams. The spazer beam is a laser. It’s probably in the visible spectrum range. The plasma beam fires a laser, but for a laser to produce plasma, it’d need to create a laser-induced plasma channel. Seeing as how the plasma beam produces electrical discharge, it’d follow that it’s an electrolaser.

    The screw attack seems more powerful than the plasma beam and has similar appearances, so it’s probably a stronger form of plasma. Then Samus has missiles. I believe 250, and from what I calculated, those produce 7.16 kg. of TNT.

    As for Raiden, I have Samus’ reaction time at 2.75 ms from the battle against Serris. While Samus has other feats for reaction time, these single digit kinds are consistent. I think both characters will have similar reaction time, but it comes down to whether or not Raiden can hit Samus. High-frequency blades might be similar to the nova beam in terms of damage, but who knows? That stuff hasn’t pierced Samus’ armor.

  44. Alpha or Omega January 7, 2016 at 6:06 pm -      #44

    @Aelfinn
    “I maintain that Raiden defeats Samus, and is too fast for her to deal with.”
    /
    Raiden only moves at supersonic speeds with the use of electrolytes for Blade mode and is well within Samus’ reaction time.
    /
    The only reason he could win against Samus this time is because Samus lacks the power bombs, speed booster, or any high grade weaponry.
    /
    The screw attack, though, will mess him up if it connects and the ice beam will one shot him or destroy his sword.
    Raiden’s biggest disadvantage is that he has close to mid range weapons with the only long range weapons being rocket launchers.
    /
    @Mea
    Samus has dealt with phazon beams and phazon missiles; that’s enough to say she can tank the high frequency sword.

  45. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 7, 2016 at 6:09 pm -      #45

    “Also, gah I hate the Crysis novel so much…”

    Never read it, but kinda don’t want to anymore…The series was fun, but I never got too in depth with it like I did with Halo or Dead Space(both of which I now have heavily fuzzy and outdated knowledge of).
    =
    ” It is just wank incarnate. The whole thing reads like it’s trying too hard to be super awesome amazing. Feels like bad fanfiction to me. …

    Meh, I don’t mind it. Granted, my favorite medium of entertainment usually sounds like authors wanking their characters anyways, so that might be why.
    =
    ” Not that I’m disputing it or anything; I’m just voicing my opinion about the material. …”

    OriginalA, that is not something we do here. Take your opinions and take them to OpinionPile.

    *hopes hypocritical joke comes off as joke and not douchery*
    =
    “I believe the 0.8 ms is with regard to how fast the armor can react prior to damage, not necessarily visual or auditory stimuli.”

    I’ll have to find the actual quote though, so as as far as the match and debaters are concerned it doesn’t exist. Me too for that matter since no one’s sourced it.
    =
    “Samus has directed-energy weapons. The power beam is referred to as “energy beam”. ”

    So that nuke durability feat would be pretty good against this, wouldn’t it?

    So, what type of durability would a nuke give someone? AFAIK, nukes are explosive(which is just energy, right?), they release a lot of heat as well(at the epicenter, isn’t it as hot, or hotter than the surface of the sun?), and according to nuke map, have some pressure as well(100psi the closer to the epicenter I believe). Anything else I’m forgetting and/or not right about here?
    =
    “The ice beam utilizes low thermal energy, which freezes targets to their freezing point.”

    Which would work quite well against Prophet. Actually, wait…Crysis 1 had the nanosuits survive an attack that flash freezed an entire island…I might be wrong on that…I remember an island being frozen…Don’t take me seriously on this till I bring some evidence or something.
    =
    “The wave beam uses electromagnetic radiation based on how other beam weapons similar to it are described as light energy or high-frequency beams. ”

    There we go, nukes give off radiation as well, but there’s different types of radiation, correct? So, what type do nukes usually give off?
    =
    Worth mentioning that I’m mostly bringing up that feat because it’s the most impressive feat the suit has. I do understand that durability against explosives(which is just energy, right?)wouldn’t do well against force, piercing/slashing, heat, other, etc types of damage.
    =
    “The spazer beam is a laser. It’s probably in the visible spectrum range. The plasma beam fires a laser, but for a laser to produce plasma, it’d need to create a laser-induced plasma channel. Seeing as how the plasma beam produces electrical discharge, it’d follow that it’s an electrolaser.”

    So, what type of damage is given off by that? I wanna say energy, but I don’t know. I’m not well versed in the ways of Metroid and their damage outputs.

  46. OriginalA January 7, 2016 at 6:24 pm -      #46

    “OriginalA, that is not something we do here. Take your opinions and take them to OpinionPile.”

    … Are you… a-are you… *looks around* is he… is he serious? *looks back to you* are you serious? opinions are voiced ALL THE GODDAMN TIME around here. What we don’t do, or at least strongly discourage, is stating opinions as objective fact when it concerns objective events. I’m stating my subjective opinion about the quality of the source material; I am not objecting to the validity of its content.

    I am not saying that it is wrong… I am saying that it is DUMB.

    Mea, back me up here. I know that at least you can understand my point here.

    “Which would work quite well against Prophet. Actually, wait…”

    On the one hand, the Ice Beam works on bullshit technology that specifically alters its temperature so that it is sufficient to freeze its target… On the other hand, this doesn’t always work. So how cold did that island get. I vaguely remember the island freezing over and the nanosuit allowing its user to operate under that condition, but did they actually give a temperature? Cause Ice Beam freezes stuff better than a freeze gun that explicitly operates at near 0K temperature. So the Ice Beam is very close to the bullshit demon magic that is in Devil May Cry 4 with its “below Absolute Zero temperature ice”.

  47. Alpha or Omega January 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm -      #47

    I can back what OriginalA said about the ice beam operating better than the weapon near 0k temperature.
    The weapon he is referring to is the Judicator.
    “The Judicator is powered by cold-fusion synthesis. It fires supercooled plasma at temperatures approaching absolute zero.” (Metroid Prime Hunters)

  48. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 7, 2016 at 6:51 pm -      #48

    “… Are you… a-are you… *looks around* is he… is he serious? *looks back to you* are you serious? opinions are voiced ALL THE GODDAMN TIME around here. What we don’t do, or at least strongly discourage, is stating opinions as objective fact when it concerns objective events. I’m stating my subjective opinion about the quality of the source material; I am not objecting to the validity of its content.”

    *hopes reply to previous hypocritical joke is in turn a joke*

    media2.giphy.com/media/HCTfYH2Xk5yw/200_s.gif

    I’M SORRY, BUT IS THIS OPINION PILE? NO, THIS IS FACT PILE, SO, WHAT WE DON’T ACCEPT, IS FUCKMOTHERING OPINIONS!
    =
    “So how cold did that island get. I vaguely remember the island freezing over and the nanosuit allowing its user to operate under that condition, but did they actually give a temperature?”

    No, not that I know off, I just recall the island freezing over in seconds, if that. I still need to find a video of that.
    =
    Side note, I need Jar Jar to be the Thanos of Star Wars, the Kaguya of Naruto.

  49. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 6:58 pm -      #49

    @AoO
    As far as movement speed goes, Raiden was able to catch up with a freight train, which would place that at 60 mi/h. Raiden had to catch up to that. So he might be close in speed. 33 m/s is 73.79 mi/h. But his revolutions per second for the blade is much faster, which i know you agree.

    My point was that since industrial-grade high-frequency beams don’t kill Samus, the high-frequency blade shouldn’t be enough to kill in a single blow. Of course, the blade is probably using vibrations, not something like radio waves.

    @CHIC4N0444
    Who knows? All I know is that based on the Metroid Prime 3: Corruption cut-scene before fighting Rundas, Samus shows several times that an uncharged beam can cause space pirates to fly back several meters.

    Explosions produce thermal radiation, shock waves, and radiation. Pressure is involved, but if one is caught in an explosion, it seems the energy covers the surface area. A fireball can atomize humans, but all explosions are different. I’m not sure how powerful the nukes are that Crysis refers to. So pressure can vary as well.

    Nuclear explosions give off x-rays and gamma radiation. These can cause severe burns, due to their high energy. I’m not sure where the wave beam falls. It could probably be determined by the visuals.

    It’d depend on the explosion and whether or not it’s strapped onto you or not. For example, RPG warheads use the Munroe effect, meaning the energy would be focused in a centralized location. That makes it effective against tanks.

    Lasers produce heat. It requires a lot of energy to convert air to plasma. So heat and electricity would be the main things, including plasma, which is matter, not energy.

  50. Friendlysociopath January 7, 2016 at 7:02 pm -      #50

    back me up

    On it boss
    youtu.be/Cq4FwP885fg?t=24s
    Reasonably sure that was a joke though

    Man, Soldier Shepard is no fun- he’s just got guns (pouts)

    Like the Cain
    masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-920_Cain
    25gram slug accelerated to 5km/s

    And the Hydra
    masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-560_Hydra
    Why have one rocket launcher when instead you can have 3 homing ones? I believe the Ladon does the same thing but with 6 missiles.

    The Blackstar
    masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper_Blackstar
    Supposedly fires black holes at the enemy

    And of course, the Avalanche
    masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-622_Avalanche
    Notable in that it can snap-freeze the target

  51. Ninja Lowk January 7, 2016 at 7:07 pm -      #51

    “Where the fuck was all this when I was playing the game!?”

    End of the game 2 & 3 the Nanosuit takes a drop from about 2 miles up and from orbit, respectively, and are fine. So probably in the same place Spartan’s real powers go when gameplay starts.

    Also keep in mind. The Nanosuit might have been strong enough to survive but that test was probably done without the meat inside the suit needs to fully operate.
    ===
    “I’ve seen people mention that the nanosuit allows for .08 millisecond reaction times. Nothing I’ve looked up has had any mention of that though.”

    This?
    Fast twitch reflex copolymer(response time .08 millisec response time)
    img.gawkerassets.com/img/18j4hagi26lbkjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
    ===
    “Uhm, more technobabble?”

    The first technobabble dealt with what the suit is made of. That bit was about how the suit can stay charged by various energy sources including dead things.
    ===
    “Also, gah I hate the Crysis novel so much… It is just wank incarnate. The whole thing reads like it’s trying too hard to be super awesome amazing. Feels like bad fanfiction to me. …”

    To be fair it’s being told by Alcatraz, who while delightfully snarky, isn’t exactly the poet Prophet is.
    I liked it but I kind of liked Prophet and Psycho’s story better.
    ===
    “The series was fun, but I never got too in depth with it like I did with Halo or Dead Space(both of which I now have heavily fuzzy and outdated knowledge of)”

    Your aren’t missing much unless you wanted to know
    -How the silent Alcatraz feels going through the events.
    -How he was slowly overwritten by Prophet and his final goodbyes.
    -How Prophet ended up where he was and how C.E.L.L set up shop.

  52. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 7:09 pm -      #52

    I’m going to be here and there, OriginalA. I’m spending time with my newborn. But yeah. Actually, I posted on my blog regarding laser cooling and the ice beam.

  53. Alpha or Omega January 7, 2016 at 7:09 pm -      #53

    @Mea
    “But his revolutions per second for the blade is much faster, which i know you agree.”
    /
    I do agree, but that is only with blade mode. Most of his speed feats use the blade mode.
    /
    “My point was that since industrial-grade high-frequency beams don’t kill Samus, the high-frequency blade shouldn’t be enough to kill in a single blow. Of course, the blade is probably using vibrations, not something like radio waves.”
    /
    Which is why I mentioned the phazon weaponry to back up your point.

  54. Neon Lord January 7, 2016 at 7:12 pm -      #54

    “Awesome. So, I’ll try to look for feats for Prohpet. Off of memory, in the games he can casually kick and/or punch cars across streets, run fast enough to set off street lights(so, over 45mph. That’s standard speed limits, right? At least it is here in AZ, maybe not in NY), and can casually shrug off APC round. I’ll find videos for it later.”

    I can confirm that Prophet can kick cars across streets, and does set off speed cameras.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se4Iqmm7ebc

    Notable feats in this vid include falling 10 stories safely, tanking APC autocannon rounds, and being strong enough to rip said autocannon off its mount.

    “Which would work quite well against Prophet. Actually, wait…Crysis 1 had the nanosuits survive an attack that flash freezed an entire island…I might be wrong on that…I remember an island being frozen…Don’t take me seriously on this till I bring some evidence or something.”

    Nomad was inside the alien structure at the time the island was flash frozen. However, when he got outside he didn’t suffer any ill-effects from the cold iirc. Prophet did, but that was because his suit was damaged.
    =
    Would a Bolter do anything to Samus’ armour?

    Is the Space Marine a Tactical Marine, or something like a Assault or Devastator Marine?

  55. pimpmage January 7, 2016 at 7:18 pm -      #55

    “Is the Space Marine a Tactical Marine, or something like a Assault or Devastator Marine?”

    Given every other character has access to anything they have ever had in ‘story mode’, This SM would literally have access to anything ever held by a SM. I specifically recall one book where a SM caught and threw back a vortex grenade. One of the books in the Blood angels Omnibus.

    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Equipment_(List)
    wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Weaponry_(List)

    “but the power of the graviton gun’s highest settings is sufficient to rupture organs and crack bones even inside armour.[4] Some living targets will be affected more variably; a very large creature may be killed under excessive weight, but most targets will either be slowed or completely immobilised.”
    -Graviton weaponry.

    Also there is chaos sound weaponry that can liquefy people in seconds.

  56. OriginalA January 7, 2016 at 7:32 pm -      #56

    Ch1c said: “*hopes reply to previous hypocritical joke is in turn a joke*”

    I think my humor meter is broken.

  57. Ninja Lowk January 7, 2016 at 8:21 pm -      #57

    Forgot about this, Nanosuit can redirect energy
    youtu.be/sYlpKVvF9Us?t=1m51s

  58. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 7, 2016 at 9:18 pm -      #58

    Lesson learned, mention something enough and people will bring up the feat for you.
    =
    @OA Hmmm….

    Hmmmm….

    Hmmm…

    Bye nao.

  59. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 9:41 pm -      #59

    That’s cool, but it looks like a bit of a struggle. How did this redirecting energy begin? Does the Prophet need to be hit first? I’m also curious on how well the Prophet can withstand a high-explosive anti-tank missile. I only ask because Samus’ missiles as portrayed in MOM use the Munroe effect. Three different instances and the way Anthony Higgs describes how to destroy the barrier at the beginning.

  60. Aelfinn January 7, 2016 at 10:56 pm -      #60

    “Raiden only moves at supersonic speeds with the use of electrolytes for Blade mode and is well within Samus’ reaction time.
    /
    The only reason he could win against Samus this time is because Samus lacks the power bombs, speed booster, or any high grade weaponry.
    /
    The screw attack, though, will mess him up if it connects and the ice beam will one shot him or destroy his sword.”


    There is no attack of Samus’ that Raiden can’t react to and no attack of Raiden’s that Samus CAN react to. He is capable of supersonic swings WITHOUT Blade Mode, and Blade Mode should put his movements into the double-digit Mach numbers. When has Samus ever reacted to a supersonic bullet, let alone one at point-blank range?
    =
    “My point was that since industrial-grade high-frequency beams don’t kill Samus, the high-frequency blade shouldn’t be enough to kill in a single blow. Of course, the blade is probably using vibrations, not something like radio waves.”

    Firstly, just because they have the same name doesn’t mean they have the same function. Like, at all. Secondly, as I’ve mentioned before, attacks that hurt at the molecular/atomic level particularly damage Samus, which the High-Frequency Blade does. Thirdly, if, by some miraculous feat of space magic the sword DOESN’T cut through Samus, Raiden is still so freakishly strong that he can turn Samus into paste within her suit by slamming her into the ground.

  61. OriginalA January 7, 2016 at 11:20 pm -      #61

    “When has Samus ever reacted to a supersonic bullet, let alone one at point-blank range?”

    When she was the supersonic bullet and had fine enough control over her body that she could navigate this:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0duW3dRBcM

    That is a lot sonic booms. So, yeah, she has supersonic reaction time.

    EDIT, also she can dodge Serris-X, which will attack her at mach+ speed.

  62. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 11:23 pm -      #62

    @Aelfinn
    Samus doesn’t deal with bullets. She’s dealt with missiles and other projectiles that surpass Raiden’s supersonic slashing, like lasers. Sense move will allow this if her own reaction time won’t.

    Molecular and atomic don’t mean anything when Samus has retrieved a plasma beam from Ghor, which can already atomize anyway. Based on my calculation for tinbots alone at In hac mea interpretatione, the plasma beam is reaching 6+ GJ. Against the space pirates, that calculation ended up being 9.5 GJ. These were when the plasma beam was partially charged. So its not like what Raiden is delivering is unique anyway. Besides, how do you cut energy at a molecular/atomic level anyway?

    As for throwing Samus, now why would you think Samus would become paste on the inside? The enclosed explosion on Frigate Orpheon slammed Samus against a wall on the . . . what’s after tertiary? You could see the effects were passed that. Let’s face it. Fiction tends to ignore that part of physics. See Iron Man for details. It’s clear Samus’ energy shield is taking the punishment. So why the grunts? Perhaps an artistic license, or maybe considering Samus brings her powered armor about through mental energy, it’s ki. After all, when her energy shield is gone during combat, she’ll die.

  63. Mea quidem sententia January 7, 2016 at 11:27 pm -      #63

    @OriginalA
    I timed Serris-X to put Samus at 2.75 ms. Against the alpha blogg, which shoots sonic stuns in water would give us 6.75 ms, assuming Samus is 10 meters away.

  64. Friendlysociopath January 7, 2016 at 11:43 pm -      #64

    When she was the supersonic bullet and had fine enough control over her body that she could navigate this:

    This may be because I never played Metroid but- how exactly do you define “Fine control”?
    Because that looked a lot like ‘I can’t steer while going this fast’.

    what’s after tertiary?

    Quaternary if you’re going for 4th.
    Quinary if you’re going for 5th.
    If you’re going further than that you’re just showing off and should say sixth.

    As for throwing Samus, now why would you think Samus would become paste on the inside?

    For the same reason hitting a telephone pole in a car hurt like a bitch, the car hit the pole and I hit the car; had the car been going faster it would’ve hurt far more despite the point that it took the majority of the force.

    It’s clear Samus’ energy shield is taking the punishment. So why the grunts?

    I would guess some part of the energy gets through the shield and hits the suit itself- causing Samus to exert herself- which then would bring up the paste in a can point.
    Or, as you said, the suit is willpower and being hit physically hurts Samus’ mental energy.
    …Well that looks like a weird sentence but I think I got the point across.

    Perhaps an artistic license

    …What? If she’s grunting when hit then being hit is stressing her enough that air is moving around her body. You can interpret reasons why she’s doing that but if she is indeed making stress noises you can’t just ignore them.
    That was very deliberately put into the game.

    On another note (a very other note)
    www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=148881

  65. Ninja Lowk January 7, 2016 at 11:53 pm -      #65

    “That’s cool, but it looks like a bit of a struggle. Does the Prophet need to be hit first? How did this redirecting energy begin? Does the Prophet need to be hit first?”

    Seems that way. Apparently true Ceph can do it and Since he never went full Ceph I think he is stuck to being able to absorb or redirect energy he comes in contact with.
    ===
    “I’m also curious on how well the Prophet can withstand a high-explosive anti-tank missile.”

    The armor apparently has a good chance of surviving a small nuke but on’t think that the meat inside can. Not sure about the meat.
    Then again I’m don’t think the meat inside the suit is regular flesh anymore going by Alcatraz and the events of Crysis 3.
    IN-game you can survive point blank grenades with Armor mode.

  66. Mea quidem sententia January 8, 2016 at 12:03 am -      #66

    @Friendlysociopath
    Samus can stop in time instead of hitting a wall. She can also time her flight to running. This also happens in Metroid Fusion. But, Samus can turn while moving at that speed. While the turns take a lot longer, this would happen if you’re moving at higher speeds.

    Huh. I thought it was another word. Anyway, an explosion in an enclosed area increases the overpressure. Samus can also fly Mach 2 and suffer no repercussions upon impact with a wall. But yeah. Until I see Samus taking internal damage from great impacts, I won’t see any reason to consider physics in this regard for the same reason Iron Man doesn’t.

    Whether ki or not, the shields take the punishment. Perhaps Samus does experience some psychic pain, perhaps she doesn’t. What I do know is that the energy shield has protected Samus from the vacuum of space, high and low thermal energy, lasers, sonic energy, light energy, dark energy, high-frequencies, transdimensional attacks, extraterrestrial, radioactive mutagen, high pressure and force, as well as kinetic energy.

    Then I suppose on a psychic level, she’s experiencing the damage. That means we’re dealing with some abstract shit.

  67. Ninja Lowk January 8, 2016 at 12:08 am -      #67

    So would Prophet’s ability to hack things help at all here?

  68. Mea quidem sententia January 8, 2016 at 12:18 am -      #68

    @Ninja Lowk
    I doubt it. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, machines called rezbits can hack into Samus’ armor, but she can easily reboot it to get everything back online. At the same time, Samus’ scan visor can hack as well. The space pirates bitch about it and try going with more difficult encryption codes.

    Anyway, it may vary, but grenades have like 30 kJ of energy. 7.16 kg. of TNT surpasses this, especially with the Munroe effect. So, there is a video about the Munroe effect. A ball of C-4 applied to a 1.5 in. thick slab of steel can withstand this, but with the Munroe effect, it’ll blast a hole through the steel and blast into the ground. In other words, the energy is centralized in one location. I’ve given my reasons why Samus’ missiles utilize this at my blog, In hac mea interpretatione.

  69. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets January 8, 2016 at 1:24 am -      #69

    Really annoyed that there isn’t a Crysis Nanosuit respect thread…Makes it kinda hard to find information on the suit…
    =
    “End of the game 2 & 3 the Nanosuit takes a drop from about 2 miles up and from orbit, respectively, and are fine. So probably in the same place Spartan’s real powers go when gameplay starts.”

    Think I posted one of those times in form of book quote.

    Kinda fair, but Halo has been doing a lot better of a job of making you feel like a walking take.

    Also, Spartans could never shrug off a nuke…
    =
    “Also keep in mind. The Nanosuit might have been strong enough to survive but that test was probably done without the meat inside the suit needs to fully operate.”

    Actually, Barnes does go through and survive the feat.

    “The commander listened as he received a message through the headset he was wearing.
    ‘Well?’ Asher demanded. Lockhart took a deep breath.
    ‘The Joint Chiefs have agreed with the boards’ recommendation. The Firestorm protocol is enabled. The bird’s already in the air.’

    A Spirit B2 belonging to the 509th Bomb Wing out of Whiteman Air Force Base, Missouri, dropped the smart bomb from over ten miles away at a height of forty thousand feet. The bomb tracked the transponder left by Commander Lockhart at the base of the spire in the village unerringly. As it approached the spire a conventional explosive within the bomb was detonated, scattering the nanofuel over the surrounding area. That fuel then auto-ignited.

    Barnes heard the explosion first. Then he was aware of a rushing noise as a powerful wind seemed to suck the oxygen out of the air. He had taken as many of the painkillers as he had dared from the med kit, but sprinting through a frozen jungle was still agony and he spent a lot of time slipping over and sliding into trees. Then the blast wave hit. The frozen trees exploded. Ice fragments filled the air. Barnes was torn off his feet and flung across a narrow gulley. He had just about enough time to realise that he was in real trouble.

    The RAF 7 Squadron pilot had brought the HC3 Chinook to a hover. Major Winterman, Dunn and Psycho were all crowded into the helicopter’s cockpit hatchway. They, along with the pilot and co-pilot, were staring at what looked like a solid wall of fire hundreds of feet high. It bathed the inside of the chopper in a hellish red light.
    Lockhart leant out of the lead helicopter, looking behind him. They had just got clear of the fuel-air bomb’s extended blast wave. It looked like the air itself had caught fire.

    Below them was devastation. More than two square miles of rainforest had just ceased to exist. It was steaming, blackened ground now. Beyond that, many of the trees had been knocked over by the pressure wave and parts of the forest were burning.”

    “I’m not sure how powerful the nukes are that Crysis refers to. So pressure can vary as well.”

    ^That powerful. However powerful that is.

    Now that I think about, Prophet does go back to the island at the end of Crysis, doesn’t he? And then that gets nuked…Maybe not, I don’t know, been too long since I played it.
    =
    “This?”

    Yes, exactly that.
    =
    “Your aren’t missing much unless you wanted to know”

    It just makes it harder to remember feats since I wasn’t as invested in the series as those two, and even being invested in those two it’s hard to remember feats.
    =
    “I can confirm that Prophet can kick cars across streets, and does set off speed cameras.”

    YAY FOR PEOPLE FINDING MY FEATS FOR ME!
    =
    “Nomad was inside the alien structure at the time the island was flash frozen. However, when he got outside he didn’t suffer any ill-effects from the cold iirc. Prophet did, but that was because his suit was damaged.”

    Wasn’t Psycho outside on the island as well? What happened to him during that?
    =
    “Forgot about this, Nanosuit can redirect energy”

    Me too, which reminds me I need to look up feats for Ceph weapons, which are usually survivable, and energy/plasma/not-bullets based.
    =
    ” I’m also curious on how well the Prophet can withstand a high-explosive anti-tank missile. ”

    I posted a quote on how the nanosuit allowed Alcatraz(who later turns into Prohpet)tanked an 8MJ gauss round. Don’t know if that’s comparable, but I thought I’d bring it up again in case it was.
    =
    Side note, Spacebattles cuts off quotes too quickly and I can’t read all of it, and it’s really bugging me.
    =
    “I get. Squiddie’s running rampant by the time I get back upstairs. Grunts and Heavies stomp across the floor, shattering marble and mowing down Barclay’s men like wheat. Stalkers scramble along the walls and ceiling, gigantic steel roaches, leaping on the unfit and tearing them limb from limb. There are sandbag barricades everywhere—sandbags, Roger, can you fucking believe it?—and the guys who take cover behind them do seem to be a bit better at staying alive but it’s not because a few burlap sacks full of dirt can stop a Ceph shell worth shit. It’s just that the Ceph haven’t noticed them yet.
    Doesn’t take long for that to change, though.”

    So, Ceph weapons tear through sandbags and tear through fully armored soldiers.
    =
    Also, Ceph are pretty damn agile and acrobatic, like really impressively so…

    “It’s too far for the grunts but a lone stalker sails easily over my hiding place and clamps its talons around the trunk of a tree ten meters past. Then the tree’s falling, torn free of the earth by a couple of hundred kilograms of metal and jelly using it for a grab-on at thirty meters a second. And the outcropping it jumps to next, crumbling under its feet. And the pickup truck it tips over the edge of a severed roadway. The stalker leaps from point to point, never missing, never regaining the edge; it disappears into the void, dancing between falling objects.”

  70. Neon Lord January 8, 2016 at 4:27 am -      #70

    “Wasn’t Psycho outside on the island as well? What happened to him during that?”

    I think he was already on the aircraft carrier when the island froze.

  71. Alpha or Omega January 8, 2016 at 4:41 pm -      #71

    @Aelfinn
    “There is no attack of Samus’ that Raiden can’t react to and no attack of Raiden’s that Samus CAN react to.”
    /
    On the other hand, Raiden is only capable of blocking bullets and not dodging them (in gameplay, his only source of bullet timing). Everytime he has faced a person with a rifle, he has to block them and can’t jump out of the way.
    Furthermore, in the past he has failed to block thrown knives, and it was specifically said his upgraded body doesn’t increase reaction times.
    Samus has reaction times to the point that bullets and sonic attacks look slow.
    /
    “He is capable of supersonic swings WITHOUT Blade Mode,”
    /
    You mean he could only do a supersonic push with one move (the shock wave)
    He needed to be specifically upgraded to do one skillset that sent a shock wave. Which proves that he cannot do a super sonic swing unless it was that special skill.
    /
    “and Blade Mode should put his movements into the double-digit Mach numbers.”
    /
    Only if you ignore the fact that rain is still falling, enemies are slowly falling even though they weren’t falling at mach speeds in real time, the less than sonic-speeds-cars thrown by Monsoon, and the fact that Jetstream Sam moves even though he doesn’t run at mach+ speeds.
    /
    “When has Samus ever reacted to a supersonic bullet, let alone one at point-blank range?”
    /
    Aside from what Mea said about Serris-X and Alpha Blogg sonic attacks, there’s the fact that the beams Samus shoots go faster than her speed booster which proves super sonic speeds. Samus dodges that easily.
    /
    But you still refused that and called it game mechanics despite the beam being that set speed. So there’s also this.
    youtu.be/65DHoEg8yhQ?t=692
    As we see here, the undead Federation Troopers are using rifles, and when you see this player shoot the beam at the same moment the trooper is shooting at the player, you see that the beam hits the trooper before the last three bullets hit Samus. Also note that the bullets look slow when viewed by Samus.
    youtu.be/zl1jU5y-8Zc?t=112
    Samus and Dark Samus ducks and dodges those same beams faster than the speed booster and bullets from 4 meters away.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNvwfHCOcA
    Dodges the 2nd fired bullet from 3 meters away.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yHMd8I3o1s
    Then, there’s this in Metroid Zero Mission. In order for Samus to get this energy tank, she has to react and stop immediately after she runs up the slope. Even putting that distance as one meter, that puts her reaction time at less than a millisecond. This is mandatory to get the energy tank.
    /
    Also, when has Raiden ever dodged or blocked anything supersonic at point blank? Never unless you include game mechanics.
    /
    “Firstly, just because they have the same name doesn’t mean they have the same function. Like, at all. Secondly, as I’ve mentioned before, attacks that hurt at the molecular/atomic level particularly damage Samus, which the High-Frequency Blade does.”
    /
    Atomic level, the phazon weapons disrupts atoms and they do moderate damage to the Varia shielding.
    /
    “Thirdly, if, by some miraculous feat of space magic the sword DOESN’T cut through Samus, Raiden is still so freakishly strong that he can turn Samus into paste within her suit by slamming her into the ground.”
    /
    The sword won’t cut Samus even in her weaker incarnation because she can tank the same attacks.
    Furthermore, Raiden’s sword only cuts atoms by vibrating fast, and not by being absurdly sharp like Wonder Woman’s sword.
    Also, Raiden will have to waste all her energy shielding before pasting her considering that Samus can tank high grade weaponry, such as the hyper beam, which is slightly more powerful than the omega cannon and power bomb which are nukes.
    I also want to point out that it’s not Raiden’s MO to slam opponents repeatedly across the floor.
    /
    Also, Samus can practically fly with the space jump so Samus is basically untouchable to Raiden since she can always keep him at long range.
    Samus ice beam would be extremely lethal since liquid nitrogen (or was it hydrogen?) freezing cyborgs and high frequency weapons.

  72. Alpha or Omega January 8, 2016 at 4:52 pm -      #72

    @FriendlySociopath
    “…What? If she’s grunting when hit then being hit is stressing her enough that air is moving around her body. You can interpret reasons why she’s doing that but if she is indeed making stress noises you can’t just ignore them.
    That was very deliberately put into the game.”
    /
    She feels pain because the power suit “feels” pain. It is connected to her in a biophysical way.
    metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=m4_manual&image_id=5
    “The fact that the power suit contained biological components and was also integrally connected to my body”
    database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en_color/ch_0002/scaled/sc_MM_Ch2_Page08.jpg
    “The power suits originates in your genetic information”
    www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0007/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch07_174.png
    Here, the suit reaches out for Samus despite the fact that no one is in the suit.

  73. Alpha or Omega January 8, 2016 at 5:55 pm -      #73

    Dang, OriginalA already posted that shinespark feat.
    I could’ve sworn I saw something from Metroid Fusion when I clicked it.
    My bad.

  74. Ninja Lowk January 8, 2016 at 6:07 pm -      #74

    “Kinda fair, but Halo has been doing a lot better of a job of making you feel like a walking take.”

    Because the Nanosuit isn’t built to feel like a walking tank. It’s traits are based around survival and hunting. It more like an armored predator.
    ===
    “Also, Spartans could never shrug off a nuke…”

    I don’t think the Suit wearers have survived a point blank detonation before either.
    ===
    “Actually, Barnes does go through and survive the feat.”

    Not point blank though.
    Also sounds like a
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
    rather then nuclear.

    Still impressive though. Was that back during the events of Crysis 1? That would mean nanosuit 1’s and human Prophet. Prophet is currently an Nanosuit 2 to which had increased durability even without upgrades.
    ===
    “I’m not sure how powerful the nukes are that Crysis refers to. So pressure can vary as well.”

    Crysis is based around modern day earth weaponry up until 2016 when shit starts to get kind of crazy.

  75. pimpmage January 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm -      #75

    “Talos vaulted a pile of rocks, his boots crashing down on the other side and never missing a stride. His eye lenses flickered runic sigils between eighty-four and eighty-seven kilometres per hour. Those figures sank lower each time he was forced to slide and skid around a corner, or leap up and kick off from an adjacent wall at a junction in order to maintain a semblance of speed.
    They’d been running for a full seven minutes before Talos cursed under his breath. At the edge of his retinal display, the three remaining life signs became two, and a flatline whined its way across the vox.”
    -Void Stalker pg. 629

    Wall running, with a very specific listed running speed for a SM. No guestimating or calcing feats. According to a conversion, that should be 24.16 m/s running speed.

    “Amakyre dodged backwards and let himself fall from the platform rather than face Veq’s blade, honed from the heart of a star and white-hot to all but Veq himself.
    Gunfire erupted again from below. Veq swatted away a score of bullets from the Obliterator and caught three more with his free hand, throwing them back down to the floor of the bridge with a curse. The young one, the most dangerous, fired a well-aimed shot at his temple, but Veq flicked his head to the side and the silenced bolt flittered past him.
    Veq took two steps and leapt, dropping through the lattice of bullet trails to land directly in front of the Obliterator whose every weapon was blazing at him from point-blank range. The star-sword cut through the air as Veq met every bullet, sending a sparkling fan of deflected fire in every direction.
    The hulking Obliterator reeled as several of its own bullets punched through its biomechanical body. The flesh of one arm became fluid, extruded, and solidified into a blade of bone with gnawing teeth at the cutting edge. Veq ducked the first blow and parried the second, shearing the first blade in two as a barbed whip, tipped with a lamprey-like mouth, lashed from the Obliterator’s other arm. Veq grabbed the lash, wrapped it round his fist, and used it to swing the Obliterator hard into the wall by the doorway.
    Armour split and cracked. Corrupted blood spilled. Veq paused to dodge more bolter fire from the other Word Bearers who were falling back through the doorway.” / Daemon Worldgons, p.472

    Aelf calced this with lowballs and got a reaction time of 650 microseconds.(copy pasted from kharn v spiderman thread)

  76. Friendlysociopath January 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm -      #76

    She feels pain because the power suit “feels” pain. It is connected to her in a biophysical way.

    So if you hit the suit hard enough and often enough she’d still be hurt? That sounds… pretty much like hitting the suit would still hurt her.

    Never unless you include game mechanics.

    You realize waaaaay back in Solid we had cyber ninjas that could block bullets while barely appearing to move? That threshold was passed by the cyborgs long ago.
    Also, Dok pretty clearly states Raiden can deflect the bullets while running, that’s canon.

    I also want to point out that it’s not Raiden’s MO to slam opponents repeatedly across the floor.

    Pretty sure he meant if Raiden hits Samus the impact would knock her over and into said floor. What with this
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111111411/4634088-5937063247-34107.jpg
    Being the amount of strength Raiden has.
    And it’s focused on the edge of a sword.
    Did you think Aelfinn literally meant Raiden was going to body-slam Samus repeatedly or something?

    Which proves that he cannot do a super sonic swing unless it was that special skill.

    No? It proves that he only ever produces a shockwave when he uses that attack. In a universe where logic is meaningless- apparently Raiden can control when he produces a shockwave.
    Because remember that Raiden can swing his sword twice and cut apart a concrete slab, several times, at a range farther than his blade can reach- which is pretty clearly supersonic swinging speeds- or do you digress?
    youtu.be/9GLYAijwNR8?t=2m35s

    Only if you ignore the fact that rain is still falling, enemies are slowly falling even though they weren’t falling at mach speeds in real time, the less than sonic-speeds-cars thrown by Monsoon, and the fact that Jetstream Sam moves even though he doesn’t run at mach+ speeds.

    So if any part of physics doesn’t match up to the feats I can just ignore them? Monsoon and Sam even mention they’ve seen Raiden turn enemies into mist by how quickly he’s chopping them apart.
    And just because it’s gameplay doesn’t make it game mechanics. You can get feats from gameplay.

  77. Aelfinn January 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm -      #77

    “When she was the supersonic bullet and had fine enough control over her body that she could navigate this:”

    Really? REALLY? You’re calling THAT supersonic? I mean, besides the fact that she clearly isn’t covering 343 meters per second, if you chalk it up to game mechanics then you have to chalk up the environment itself to game mechanics. And if you say that counts as supersonic, then Raiden himself is Mach 3, as he runs and jumps across missiles:
    youtu.be/RypphRK14t8?t=4m26s
    =
    “As for throwing Samus, now why would you think Samus would become paste on the inside?”

    Show me her surviving being slammed into the ground at Mach 5-7 thirteen times in a single second. Remember, I calculated this?
    =
    “On the other hand, Raiden is only capable of blocking bullets and not dodging them (in gameplay, his only source of bullet timing). Everytime he has faced a person with a rifle, he has to block them and can’t jump out of the way.”

    I mean, besides the scene where he dodged a bullet from the cop, you can also count offensive-defense as a dodge move, which would count for bullets. Furthermore, the fact that Raiden can walk faster than Jetstream Sam’s sword swings in Blade Mode indicate that he can walk at Mach speeds.
    =
    “Furthermore, in the past he has failed to block thrown knives, and it was specifically said his upgraded body doesn’t increase reaction times.”

    But his body also explicitly makes him faster. His mind may not have changed, but not blocking knives (who were specifically thrown by a super-powered vampire) can be accounted for by a slower body.
    =
    “Samus has reaction times to the point that bullets and sonic attacks look slow.”

    Where was this?
    =
    “You mean he could only do a supersonic push with one move (the shock wave)
    He needed to be specifically upgraded to do one skillset that sent a shock wave. Which proves that he cannot do a super sonic swing unless it was that special skill.”


    Alright, let me explain a few things. Firstly, when something goes supersonic, the shockwave does not explode in front of the object’s motion. It explodes out and to the side. Raiden’s shockwave does not to that. What he is doing is shoving his hand forward so hard that the air explodes forward like a shockwave. That is FAR faster. Secondly, objects on the arm and leg scale often don’t have visible sonic cones. You don’t see sonic cones on bullets, bull-whips, or even when you snap towels at people in the locker room. So the lack of sonic booms make perfect sense, whereas the pressure wave generated in the direction of motion indicates faster-than-supersonic speeds.

    The ability to deflect bullets point-blank requires supersonic swings.
    =
    “Only if you ignore the fact that rain is still falling, enemies are slowly falling even though they weren’t falling at mach speeds in real time, the less than sonic-speeds-cars thrown by Monsoon, and the fact that Jetstream Sam moves even though he doesn’t run at mach+ speeds.”

    Firstly, it’s obvious that Blade Mode has multiple settings, and can slow down time to various degrees depending on various factors, generally plot/rule of cool related. To prove: objects thrown by Monsoon and Armstrong move at velocity A as we can see in Blade Mode. When they get close to Raiden, who is STILL in Blade Mode, they slow down to Velocity B. Velocity B is far slower than Velocity A, but we saw both in Blade Mode. Secondly, in-game, the time-slow of Blade Mode when Raiden is The Ripper is more intense than the time-slow when he isn’t The Ripper. There’s clearly variable speeds involved here.

    Furthermore, during the Monsoon fight the rain DOES stop falling during Blade Mode. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
    youtu.be/TBH_Yo5sSEI?t=8m43s
    Even when those little white bits start floating up, those white bits aren’t rain as I can still see rain falling down when that happens. (Not to mention that 1. Rain isn’t white and 2. If the magnetic field was strong enough to lift rain, it would have ripped all the metal…everywhere…apart)
    =
    ” the fact that the beams Samus shoots go faster than her speed booster which proves super sonic speeds. Samus dodges that easily.
    /
    But you still refused that and called it game mechanics despite the beam being that set speed”


    Well yeah…because we can SEE that they don’t go Mach speeds. They simply aren’t crossing 343 meters in one second.
    =
    “As we see here, the undead Federation Troopers are using rifles, and when you see this player shoot the beam at the same moment the trooper is shooting at the player, you see that the beam hits the trooper before the last three bullets hit Samus. Also note that the bullets look slow when viewed by Samus.”

    …how do we know they’re firing bullets? My 5-second google search tells me that Dark Troopers and Federation Marines use energy cannons of some sort.
    =
    “Samus and Dark Samus ducks and dodges those same beams faster than the speed booster and bullets from 4 meters away.”

    I have literally no idea how you can claim that. We can see, in-cutscene, that they aren’t moving Mach speeds. Furthermore, that kind of “dodge” doesn’t prove bullet-timing, unless you want to say this is bullet-timing?
    youtu.be/oGXk07Pz61U?t=3m49s
    =
    “Dodges the 2nd fired bullet from 3 meters away.”

    She slowly moved out of the way, not much of a dodge, and the bullet is still slow.
    =
    “Then, there’s this in Metroid Zero Mission. In order for Samus to get this energy tank, she has to react and stop immediately after she runs up the slope. Even putting that distance as one meter, that puts her reaction time at less than a millisecond. This is mandatory to get the energy tank.”

    You can’t use the distances in a game with such harsh graphical limitations as some kind of accurate estimate. If you insist on using the distances as accurate, then you must also admit that Samus isn’t actually going Mach speeds. It’s one or the other.
    =
    “Also, when has Raiden ever dodged or blocked anything supersonic at point blank? Never unless you include game mechanics.”

    It is not game mechanics. How is the Ninja Run game mechanics? As I’ve said before, official game trailer material and the back of the box itself show Raiden deflecting bullets at point-blank range. Secondly, and most importantly, just because it happens in-game does NOT mean it is automatically game mechanics. Every camera, every soldier with a gun, every helicopter, and everything in-between, that is HOW you’re supposed to approach them. In the fight against the G.R.A.D., Raiden has to run down a narrow hallway while it fires at him. When he fights one right before he gets to the Japanese garden, he’s trapped in a tight room. When Raiden fights the cops in Denver, one of them drops down with a gun, and consistently fires at you, making the Ninja Run the most logical choice to approach him.

    Not to mention that Raiden can deflect bullets from more than one source at a time, which would require speeds and reaction times similar to point-blank deflection.
    =
    EDIT
    “Did you think Aelfinn literally meant Raiden was going to body-slam Samus repeatedly or something?

    That is exactly what I meant. If, for whatever reason, the sword can’t cut through the suit, Raiden always has the option of slamming her into the ground at Mach 7 something on the order of 13-17 times a second. It sounds nonsensical, sure, but I was trying to make a point that Raiden has more options than the sword.

  78. Alpha or Omega January 8, 2016 at 10:45 pm -      #78

    @FriendlySociopath
    “So if you hit the suit hard enough and often enough she’d still be hurt? That sounds… pretty much like hitting the suit would still hurt her.”
    /
    Any attack no matter how much energy would still hurt.
    I forgot to put it above, but it is someone else’s argument that I saw somewhere. I forgot the name, so I can’t give credit.
    /
    “You realize waaaaay back in Solid we had cyber ninjas that could block bullets while barely appearing to move? That threshold was passed by the cyborgs long ago.”
    /
    And it was stated by the Doktor that cybernetics don’t change reaction times, only speed and strength.
    The common mooks who are cyborgs can’t do any of that.
    Also, that was more of an exoskeleton.
    /
    “Also, Dok pretty clearly states Raiden can deflect the bullets while running, that’s canon.”
    /
    I’m aware of that. Dok, however, doesn’t state how far he needs to be while he can’t block.
    Furthermore, we’ve seen Raiden get hit by things slower than bullets.
    /
    “Pretty sure he meant if Raiden hits Samus the impact would knock her over and into said floor. What with this
    Being the amount of strength Raiden has.
    And it’s focused on the edge of a sword.”
    /
    Which is why I pointed out the phazon weaponry and the nuke durability.
    /
    “Did you think Aelfinn literally meant Raiden was going to body-slam Samus repeatedly or something?”
    /
    Yes, given that he has said that before. There was no rhetoric, sarcasm, nor joke. Not the body slam thing. The grab and swing her forever like Hulk did with Loki near the end of Avengers.
    /
    “No? It proves that he only ever produces a shockwave when he uses that attack. In a universe where logic is meaningless- apparently Raiden can control when he produces a shockwave.”
    /
    Which is done by only an arm upgrade. He doesn’t have that same specific upgrade everywhere else.
    /
    “Because remember that Raiden can swing his sword twice and cut apart a concrete slab, several times, at a range farther than his blade can reach- which is pretty clearly supersonic swinging speeds- or do you digress?”
    /
    And on that slab, we only see 8 slashes done in one second. 8 slashes in one second is not super sonic.
    The only reason why that was ever called super sonic in the first place was because Aelfinn said because we cannot see the swings, it must be done in 20 milliseconds meaning supersonic swings. The video on the other hand shows it taking one second. Possibly a little more by a decimal.
    This is a common trope similar to a flash step in that this isn’t quantifiable and is just telling that “it’s fast.”
    And if you want to accept that being 20 milliseconds, then you will have to accept this is in 20 milliseconds.
    The distance the guy has to look see the space pirate is through binoculars
    www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0003/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch003_011.png
    A little bit later, they were going to shoot a girl because she wasn’t tall enough and for sport.
    www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0003/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch003_015.png
    www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0003/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch003_016.png
    And then Samus jumps in and wraps her arm around the girl. Then activates her powersuit. No one saw her move. The space pirates, the space pirate sitting on the throne, the space pirates around the area, the slaves and neither of Samus’ friends.
    www.metroid-database.com/manga/?vid=19&cid=57#manga_top
    www.metroid-database.com/manga/official_vol_1_en/ch_0003/scaled/sc_metroid_v01_ch003_018.png
    I guess Samus is easily super sonic because she went so fast that the time it took was 20 millisecond, covering distance that requires a binocular to see.
    Do you see how ridiculous this is?
    /
    “So if any part of physics doesn’t match up to the feats I can just ignore them?”
    /
    It isn’t one part of physics doesn’t matching up to “the feats” (it’s more of a calculation). It’s a consistent and constant showing.
    /
    “Monsoon and Sam even mention they’ve seen Raiden turn enemies into mist by how quickly he’s chopping them apart.”
    /
    They were being metaphorical or exaggerating because no where in either cutscene or gameplay shows enemies or bosses as mist since we see body parts remaining.
    I am also sure at this point that turning enemies into mist is just a threatening way to say I’m going to kill you.
    /
    “And just because it’s gameplay doesn’t make it game mechanics. You can get feats from gameplay.”
    /
    The only part I said was game mechanic was the Ninja Run move, and I gave my reason for that.

  79. Aelfinn January 8, 2016 at 11:03 pm -      #79

    “Yes, given that he has said that before. There was no rhetoric, sarcasm, nor joke. Not the body slam thing. The grab and swing her forever like Hulk did with Loki near the end of Avengers.”

    Ridicule it all you want, but it will still kill Samus.
    =
    Quick calc.

    Assume Raiden can swing 250 metric tons, or 2.45 million Newtons using a previous calc.
    BankGambling.com/9796-raiden-vs-samus-aran/comment-page-2/#comments

    Length of a katana: 60 cm.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana

    Sharpness of blade: 600 angstroms
    edition.cnn.com/2015/04/02/health/surgery-scalpels-obsidian/index.html

    Pressure exerted by that: 6.81e+13 Pascals, or more than the pressure inside the core of the Earth.

  80. Friendlysociopath January 8, 2016 at 11:27 pm -      #80

    Show me her surviving being slammed into the ground at Mach 5-7 thirteen times in a single second. Remember, I calculated this?

    Really? What match is the calc in?
    I genuinely thought you were kidding- if the sword focusing that force doesn’t work I don’t see why flipping her around Hulk-style would work better.
    EDIT: Annnnd you were typing the same time as I was

    When has it ever been Raiden’s MO?

    Metal Gear Ray he throws into the air wrestling style
    He breakdances to throw Gekkos around
    He kicks and otherwise throws around all sorts of enemies
    He gets in a fistfight with Armstrong
    And he picks up and bodyslams Excelsius
    Sounds like he’s more than a little willing to hit people without the sword

    Furthermore, we’ve seen Raiden get hit by things slower than bullets.

    And? That doesn’t mean anything when he has overwhelming evidence that he can bullet-time.

    Which is why I pointed out the phazon weaponry and the nuke durability.

    Kitten may be an ass but he has a point, I don’t see how tanking a nuke means someone of Raiden’s strength level won’t hurt her when he applies all of his strength to a sword swing.

    The only reason why that was ever called super sonic in the first place was because Aelfinn said because we cannot see the swings

    And we can’t, you have no argument against this except saying it’s a trope. Which doesn’t make the fact that you can’t see the swings any less true. What’s your excuse for the swings being farther than Raiden could reach? Another trope?

    I am also sure at this point that turning enemies into mist is just a threatening way to say I’m going to kill you.

    Considering they weren’t threatening Raiden in the slightest during that scene I don’t see why that would possibly be true.

    They were being metaphorical or exaggerating

    Obviously, but it means that Raiden being able to chop someone into confetti is something that actually occurs in canon for his enemies to remark on it. Otherwise why mention it at all?
    Considering no cutscene in the game indicates Raiden goes cut-crazy in battle, that leaves us with the rest of gameplay to determine his swinging speed.

  81. Mea quidem sententia January 8, 2016 at 11:42 pm -      #81

    Here’s some relevant information regarding Samus, given all things being equal when it comes to physics.

    What is Samus’ reaction time?
    We know that Samus was integrated with Chozo DNA somewhere between the ages of three and four, so like any fiction, the recombinant DNA tends to give characters like Peter Park the ability to wall-crawl, sense danger, and web sling. I wouldn’t put it past the Metroid series. What do we know about the Chozo? Aside from being bird people, the Chozo possess abilities that aren’t human, such as distant sight as seen in Metroid Prime. We can gather what we know about the Luminoth. They are supposed to be in the place of the Chozo in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. They possess heightened reflexes, durability, psionics, and flight. Their ability to generate and manipulate energy is on par with that of the Chozo. [1]

    Since the Luminoth play the role of the Chozo in this game, we can glean from this—as well as the fact that energy generation and manipulation are on par with one another—that the Chozo also have heightened reflexes. One of the earliest moments we see this is in Super Metroid in the battle against the golden Torizo. The Torizo were once thought of as an evil variant of the Chozo, but the truth is that these are creations of the Chozo themselves. So, as I would suspect, what the Torizo can do, the Chozo can do also. During the battle against the golden Torizo, if Samus fires a super missile, what will happen is that the golden Torizo will catch the super missile with one hand and throw it back at Samus. [2]

    When I wanted to determine the speed of the beams, missiles, super missiles, and the shinespark, what I noticed is that after firing the beams, Samus could fly past them. With the missiles, she’d keep up with them side-by-side before a second or so passed with the missile surpassing Samus’ speed. But the super missiles? Samus never had a chance at keeping up. It would fly off the screen. What I gathered from this is that the super missiles travel faster than Mach 2 based on the Mach angle of the shinespark.

    Aside from these, there are different ways to figure out Samus’ reaction time. I’ll take it in chronological order. Samus has fought an alpha blogg, which is capable of shooting “sonic disruption blasts”. [3] Because Samus is in a bog at the time, [4] she is in fresh water. [5] So I was curious about at what speed these “sonic stun blasts” traveled in fresh water. The speed of sound in fresh water travels at 1,482 m/s, [6] which is Mach 4.32. If this is fired at 10 meters away, then Samus would only have 6.75 milliseconds to respond. Whether or not these can be avoided at a closer distance, I don’t know.

    Going back to the golden Torizo, since missiles outrun the shinespark, this may place the speed of missiles anywhere between Mach 3 and Mach 4. Super missiles are clearly faster than missiles, so we’re dealing with something higher. I may go with Mach 4, only because it seems to be the safest option. From the image of Samus and the golden Torizo, the distance between the two is 14 pixels long. Samus is 41 pixels tall. [2] Dividing 14 over 41 gives us a 34% difference. Since Samus is 1.9 m. tall, the distance between the arm cannon and the golden Torizo is 0.6487 m. Mach 4 is 1,372 m/s, which would mean the amount of time the golden Torizo would have to catch the super missile would be 472.87 microseconds.

    Although I find this reaction time to be rather impressive, I’m not sure how to feel about applying this to Samus. Another enemy Samus fought is known as Serris, who is capable of traveling at the same speed as Samus with the speed booster. It should come as no surprise from the boss who grants Samus this ability. If we work with Mach 1.06, Samus’ running speed based on the Mach angle, then the ability to dodge Serris in time should grant Samus with a low reaction time. During the battle against Serris, it is quite possible to jump out of the way when Serris as close as a meter away. Using Mach 1.06 for Serris’ speed and a distance between it and Samus at 1 meter would give us 2.75 milliseconds.

    Of these three examples, we know Samus’ reaction time is low, and this is supported by the similarities between the Chozo and Luminoth. Considering the example between the alpha blogg and Serris are consistent, I’m more than willing to ignore the feat from the golden Torizo.

    1. “Subject is U-Mos, a Sentinel of the Luminoth. Scans indicate numerous beneficial abilities, including heightened reflexes, durability, psionics, and flight. Ability to generate and manipulate energy on par with that of the Chozo.” – Logbook, U-Mos, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

    2. Golden Torizo catches a super missile

    3. “Morphology: Alpha Blogg. Immense Blogg pack leader. Enormous water dweller will fire sonic disruption blasts at foes. It has all strengths and weaknesses of its brethren. The Alpha Blogg is the largest and strongest of its pack. It can fire potent sonic stun blasts in battle. The blasts will disrupt your Visor and weapon control systems if they hit you. Its three titanic maws are potent weapons. Target the creature’s mouth areas to inflict damage upon it.” – Logbook, Alpha Blogg, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

    4. The battle against the alpha blogg takes place in Torvus Bog.

    5. Defenders of Wildlife, Wetlands | Types of Wetlands – Bogs and Fens

    6. Sound Speed in Liquids – Hyper Physics

    Is the ice beam a laser?
    It might seem unusual for the ice beam to possibly be a laser, since the idea of a laser might give one the impression that lasers generate heat. However, photons don’t have a temperature, at least by themselves. While the Metroid series is known for using concepts like cold-fusion synthesis [1] or compressed coolant gas, the idea of cold-fusion has no connection to the ice beam in any way. It’s not of Chozo origin and it’s a super-cooled plasma. The Galactic Federation’s newest firearm, the freeze gun, uses compressed coolant gas. [2] Although it’s possible the ice beam utilizes this, I don’t think it does for the simple fact that the ice beam doesn’t need to be reloaded like freeze guns.

    The concept of flash freezing is used with all of these weapons, but with the current liquids, such as liquid air or liquid nitrogen, it’s not possible to instantly freeze objects, especially large objects, due to its low boiling point. It seems that because the freeze guns use compressed coolant gas, once fired, the gas decreases in temperature, due to what’s known as the Joule-Thomson effect. This is why it’s capable of freezing objects, whether it be a human [3] or a magdollite. [4] But I suspect Samus is using what’s known as laser cooling. If we look at Samus’ beam weapons, what we know about them is that they’re producing energy, which would place them under directed-energy weapons.

    If directed-energy weapons utilize electromagnetic radiation or particles with mass, then these are honestly the only options we can work with. Samus is known for using lasers throughout the Metroid series. I’ve already discussed in another article, Arguments supporting Samus’ ability to dodge lasers, that the nova beam, light beam, and wave beam are all laser weapons. The spazer beam is also originally known as the “spazer laser beam” [5] and has the same design as autracks, which fire lasers as well. [6] Then there’s the plasma beam, which fires three lasers according to the official Metroid Fusion Web site. [7]

    One of the interesting things that stands out about the ice beam is how it’s described by the Super Metroid Nintendo Player’s Guide. “The Ice Beam was built to emit a ray that chills various forms of organic life to their individual freezing points. It won’t work on all enemies.” [8] This isn’t the first time the word “emit” is used. [9][10] What really stands out is the fact that the ice beam is a ray, something like a freeze ray that chills to the freezing point. In other words, the ice beam doesn’t have a set temperature, although it’s been described as “sub-zero”. [9][10] Rather, it’s freezing its target to the freezing point.

    We know that the motion of atoms generates heat, so if these atoms are slowed down significantly, then there won’t be as much heat, and when there is a decrease in heat, it becomes cool. Laser cooling “red-detune[s] the frequency of the light to just below the resonance frequency of atoms.” [11] The atoms moving toward the laser is blue-shifted into the resonance and are more likely to absorb the light. When an atom absorbs and re-emits a photon, its momentum changes, which leads to cooling. In Samus’ case, the ice beam would require a large number of absorption to cool her enemies, especially those who are generating flames.

    Given that I know of no other alternative with regard to the ice beam and its characteristics, other than that it fires “ice energy” [12], I think laser cooling is the most reasonable take on how the ice beam works.

    1. “The Judicator is powered by cold-fusion synthesis. It fires supercooled plasma at temperatures approaching absolute zero.” – Metroid Prime Hunters, Logbook

    2. “Fires compressed coolant gas that instantly freezes the target. The Galactic Federation Military’s newest weapon.” – Metroid Database, Metroid: Other M Art Gallery, p. 5

    3. Metroid: Other M, The Deleter shoots Maurice

    4. Metroid: Other M, Anthony Higgs Escapes Death

    5. “Spazer Laser Beam” – Metroid II: Return of Samus manual, p. 22

    6. “This robotic guardian can be found in various places. They have a long neck that is usually withdrawn, but it will extend it and attack with a laser beam.” – ibid., p. 28

    7. “The Plasma Beam’s three lasers can easily cut through enemies, continuing on to take out even more foes.” – Official Metroid Fusion Web site

    8. Super Metroid Nintendo Player’s Guide, Ice Beam, p. 13

    9. “Chozo Technology: The Ice Beam upgrade for Samus Aran’s arm cannon emits a sub-zero attack capable of freezing certain enemies.” – Official Metroid Prime Web site

    10. “The sub-zero temperatures emitted from the Ice Beam can stop foes dead in their tracks.” – Official Metroid: Other M Web site

    11. M Squared Lab Application Notes SolsTiS at Work

    12. “Ice energy has been added to your beam. You can freeze targets with the Charge Beam.” – Metroid: Other M on-screen tutorial

    How powerful are Samus’ missiles?
    If missiles can be compared to real life ballistic weapons, it could be compared to a hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher, or as many commonly know it by: a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Samus’ missiles may also utilize what’s know as the Munroe effect, [1] the reinforcement of shock waves in the concave, hollow end of a shaped charge, producing a greater resultant wave and concentrating the explosion along the axis of the charge. In other words, these missiles could be described as high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warheads. Why? In Metroid: Other M, upon encountering Adam, Anthony, and the others, Lyle lets Adam know that the explosives are ready, but upon his attempt at destroying the barrier wall, it remains intact. [2]

    Anthony explains they “tried using explosives, but it’s tricky to pull off without collateral damage.” What they “need is some way to focus the power onto one centralized location . . .” This is where the Munroe effect would come in. All the energy wouldn’t be spread out, but would be focused, delivering more damage. We see this a few times in Metroid: Other M, such as when Samus shoots at an ice wall, ice cylinder, and metal sphere. [3][4][5] This still doesn’t tell us how powerful Samus’ missiles are, however. While I could settle for the amount of explosive material is present in certain warheads, I still wouldn’t know how to determine which one to use. I suspect an alternative would require the use of G. I. Taylor’s dimensional analysis. [6]

    We know that RPG warheads use HMX or RDX. I’ll settle for RDX because it has a lower detonation velocity of 8,750 m/s, while HMX has a detonation velocity of 9,400 m/s. [7] To find out the diameter of the blast from a missile, I will use Nightmare’s face, which is covered by the explosion of a single missile. In fact, the explosion slightly passes the face. I will have to use Nightmare from Metroid Fusion because it’ll be easier this way. Samus stands at 104 pixels. Due to her hunch in this game, I’ll assume she’s standing at 1.8 m., not 1.9, her original height. Nightmare’s face is roughly 158 px., which is 152% the length of Samus’ height. This turns out to be 2.73 m.

    While it’s difficult to find out the distance traveled at the detonation, it seems there are four parts to the explosion, which means I’ll use a quarter of this diameter and divide it by 8,750 m/s. Using G. I. Taylor’s dimensional analysis, I end up with roughly 30 MJ of energy, which is equal to 7.16 kg. of TNT.

    1. Munroe effect

    2. Metroid: Other M

    3. ibid.

    4. ibid.

    5. ibid.

    6. Estimate of the energy released in the first Atomic Bomb explosion.

    7. ACS Publications – High Power Explosive with Good Sensitivity A 2:1 Cocrystal of CL-20:HMX

    Vorash’s mass
    The Queen Metroid’s length is 11 m. [1], but from Val’s game blog, the queen’s length is 24.55 m. [2], so there’s some discrepancy. Vorash’s length is 29.18 m. Taking this length and dividing it by 24.55 m. means there was an increase of 4.63 m. Using this value and dividing it by 24.55 m. gives us a percentage increase of 189%. Multiplying this by the Queen Metroid’s actual length of 11 m. gives us 2.07 m., which means Vorash’s actual length should be 13.07 m. The length of a whale shark is 12.2 m. [3]. So I suppose a whale shark would be a good choice. The question is, what is the mass of a whale shark?

    The average mass of a whale shark is 18.69 metric tons. [3] This is equal to 18,688,005.6 g. In order to find the volume of an object, you need to divide it by its density. Water has a density of 1 g/cm3, which means the volume is 18,688,005.6 cm3. For andesitic magma, I used the low-end of 2.45 g/cm3, which would be 45,785,613.72 g., or 45.79 metric tons. I didn’t consider the large fins, nor the lava covering it, so the highest I’d round Samus’ physical strength to 50 metric tons.

    1. Queen Metroid

    2. Video Game Forums, Val’s game blog

    3. Whale Sharks, National Geographic

    The plasma beam in the 2D Metroid games
    For a long time I tried figuring out what type of plasma the plasma beam was made of in the 2D Metroid games, and then I saw the description for it from the Metroid Fusion Web site, which reads, “The Plasma Beams three lasers can easily cut through enemies, continuing on to take out even more foes.” Here we have “plasma” and “laser”, which doesn’t seem to make any sense, unless we think of a laser-induced plasma channel. This works by firing a laser powerful enough to cause blooming, which is an atmospheric effect that causes the laser to disperse, thereby making the laser impractical.

    The next thing I noticed is in Metroid: Other M, where the plasma beam produces an electrical discharge. With the properties of a laser, plasma, and an electrical discharge, I interpret this to be an electrolaser. I have been unable to find the muzzle velocity of electrolasers, but if they’re anything like the speed of lightning, then Samus’ plasma beam has a muzzle velocity of 105, [1] assuming this isn’t referring to the return stroke, which travels 108 m/s. [2] The only problem is electrolasers don’t cut through things, at least as far as I’m aware. This may have to do with laser cutting, however.

    1. Speed and current for lightning stepped leaders near ground as determined from electric field records

    2. The propagation speed of positive lightning return stroke

    Arguments supporting Samus’ ability to dodge lasers
    This post is not meant to prove that Samus has nanosecond reaction time, as a minority of the fanbase might think, but to support the idea that sense move allows Samus to sense imminent danger, or—for lack of a better word—”aim-dodge”. One might compare this ability to Spider-Man’s spider sense. It has been assumed that because Samus has been integrated with Chozo DNA and the fact that the Chozo possess psionics, that Samus may possess some form of precognition. In Metroid Prime, the Chozo speak of an ability known as “distant sight”, which allows them to see the future. Below are a set of arguments to support Samus’ ability to dodge light speed attacks, but only on the basis of her sense move ability.

    P1: The nova beam is defined as “a high-frequency beam”. [1]
    P2: The nova beam is used in conjunction with the x-ray visor. [2]
    P3: X-rays are high-frequency electromagnetic rays. [3]
    C: Therefore, it is highly probable that the nova beam fires x-rays. (From P2 and P3.)

    P1: The nova beam shares the same design as the light beam and wave beam. [4][5][6]
    P2: The light beam fires light. [7]
    P3: Visible light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum. [3]
    P4: All electromagnetic radiation travels at the speed of light. [8]
    C: Therefore, the light beam travels the speed of light. (From P2, P3, and P4.)

    P1: The wave beam shares the same design as the light beam and nova beam. [4][5][6]
    P2: The wave beam fires “wave energy”. [9] (This phrase is redundant as all waves transfer energy.)
    P3: Mechanical waves requires a medium and cannot travel in a vacuum.
    P4: Electromagnetic waves can travel in a vacuum.
    P5: The wave beam is an electromagnetic wave. (From P2 and P4.)
    P6: Electromagnetic waves travel at the speed of light. [8]
    C: The wave beam travels the speed of light. (From P5 and P6.)

    P1: The wave, light, and nova beam pass through solid objects. [10][11][2]
    P2: Super Zebesians fire beams capable of passing through solid objects.
    P3: The wave, light, and nova beams are the only known technologies capable of passing through solid objects.
    P4: Space pirates are known for reverse-engineering Samus’ technology.
    C: Therefore, it is highly probable that the super Zebesians are using one of these technologies, which are capable of traveling light speed.

    1. The Nova Beam is a high-frequency Beam that can shoot through certain objects.” – Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Inventory, Nova Beam

    2. “The Nova Beam can shoot through objects made of Phazite and hit weak points or hidden targets. Many of these can be found by using the X-Ray Visor.” – ibid.

    3. Electromagnetic spectrum

    4. Nova Beam

    5. Light Beam

    6. Wave Beam

    7. “Find this weapon, so its great light may blind and burn our foes once more.” – I-Sha

    8. Speed of Light

    9. Metroid: Zero Mission manual, p. 25

    10. Super Metroid manual, p. 23

    11. “The Light Beam can shoot through multiple enemies.” – Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Inventory, Light Beam

  82. Alpha or Omega January 8, 2016 at 11:47 pm -      #82

    “Really? REALLY? You’re calling THAT supersonic? I mean, besides the fact that she clearly isn’t covering 343 meters per second, if you chalk it up to game mechanics then you have to chalk up the environment itself to game mechanics.”
    /
    The manuals state several times that the speed is supersonic.
    She breaks through barriers which require her to run at super sonic speeds.
    Furthermore, she creates mach cones, and plows through several layers of stone without any loss of speed.
    /
    “And if you say that counts as supersonic, then Raiden himself is Mach 3, as he runs and jumps across missiles:
    youtu.be/RypphRK14t8?t=4m26s”
    /
    The missiles, as I said before, have visual differences that makes it different than the missiles that are claimed to be mach 3.
    /
    “Show me her surviving being slammed into the ground at Mach 5-7 thirteen times in a single second. Remember, I calculated this?”
    /
    Remember she can tank nukes?
    /
    “I mean, besides the scene where he dodged a bullet from the cop,”
    /
    NeonLord said he aimdodged it, and it’s true. He looked at the cop before the cop fired and moved his head.
    /
    “you can also count offensive-defense as a dodge move, which would count for bullets.”
    /
    Semantics isn’t going to change the fact that he must block it.
    The ice beam is cold enough to break his weapon and body.
    /
    “Furthermore, the fact that Raiden can walk faster than Jetstream Sam’s sword swings in Blade Mode indicate that he can walk at Mach speeds.”
    /
    How? Jetstream Sam doesn’t swing at mach speeds, and also, he doesn’t run or dodge at mach speeds. Yet, Jetstream Sam is moving slowly but not motionless relative to Raiden.
    /
    “But his body also explicitly makes him faster. His mind may not have changed, but not blocking knives (who were specifically thrown by a super-powered vampire) can be accounted for by a slower body.”
    /
    The super vampire can’t throw knives at super sonic speeds.
    /
    “Where was this?”
    /
    I showed a clip where the bullets move in MP2:Echoes.
    /
    “Alright, let me explain a few things. Firstly, when something goes supersonic, the shockwave does not explode in front of the object’s motion. It explodes out and to the side. Raiden’s shockwave does not to that. What he is doing is shoving his hand forward so hard that the air explodes forward like a shockwave. That is FAR faster.”
    /
    And like I said before, the shockwave is short ranged, and when it collides with enemies, that aren’t flying at mach speeds. They are flying at speeds slower than mach 1.
    /
    “Secondly, objects on the arm and leg scale often don’t have visible sonic cones. You don’t see sonic cones on bullets, bull-whips, or even when you snap towels at people in the locker room. So the lack of sonic booms make perfect sense, whereas the pressure wave generated in the direction of motion indicates faster-than-supersonic speeds.”
    /
    The point of that argument was to say that specific move was different from the rest and shouldn’t be used to scale all the other moves with.
    /
    “The ability to deflect bullets point-blank requires supersonic swings.”
    /
    Which he only does in gameplay, and that can be pointed out as a game mechanic.
    /
    “Firstly, it’s obvious that Blade Mode has multiple settings, and can slow down time to various degrees depending on various factors,”
    /
    No it doesn’t. It wasn’t mentioned anywhere.
    /
    “generally plot/rule of cool related.”
    /
    That usually works against your argument. We could simply say that his feats in blade mode are shown because they’re for coolness.
    /
    “To prove: objects thrown by Monsoon and Armstrong move at velocity A as we can see in Blade Mode. When they get close to Raiden, who is STILL in Blade Mode, they slow down to Velocity B. Velocity B is far slower than Velocity A, but we saw both in Blade Mode. Secondly, in-game, the time-slow of Blade Mode when Raiden is The Ripper is more intense than the time-slow when he isn’t The Ripper. There’s clearly variable speeds involved here.”
    /
    This same exact scenario happens when you parry or block an enemy attack. It’s a game mechanic to help players. Also, when you fail or miss a weak point, it goes back to velocity A instead of staying at velocity B which shows it’s a game mechanic. Furthermore, his swings are at the same speed no matter how slowed down it gets.
    Also, even if you are true, that really doesn’t change the fact that objects such as the vehicles thrown at Raiden in the Monsoon and Sundowner fight is slower than mach 1. Then, there’s the fact that in real time against Jetstream Sam, his rush attacks aren’t super sonic and even in blade mode, he’s not slowed down to a crawl.
    When you launch an enemy to the air, they are falling and only stop moving when you dice them.
    /
    “Furthermore, during the Monsoon fight the rain DOES stop falling during Blade Mode. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
    youtu.be/TBH_Yo5sSEI?t=8m43s
    Even when those little white bits start floating up, those white bits aren’t rain as I can still see rain falling down when that happens. (Not to mention that 1. Rain isn’t white and 2. If the magnetic field was strong enough to lift rain, it would have ripped all the metal…everywhere…apart)”
    /
    Point taken. I’ll give you that.
    /
    “Well yeah…because we can SEE that they don’t go Mach speeds. They simply aren’t crossing 343 meters in one second.”
    /
    Manuals state that Samus is going at super sonic speeds among with the mach cone and plowing through several layers of stone.
    /
    “…how do we know they’re firing bullets? My 5-second google search tells me that Dark Troopers and Federation Marines use energy cannons of some sort.”
    /
    What the heck? A while ago, several wikis and tv tropes told me they were using ballistic ammo.
    youtu.be/fniP8jf6IR8?t=60
    Metroid Other M, which takes chronologically after the MPT shows the Galactic Federation still shows the troopers using mass produced ballistic weaponry.
    /
    “I have literally no idea how you can claim that. We can see, in-cutscene, that they aren’t moving Mach speeds. Furthermore, that kind of “dodge” doesn’t prove bullet-timing, unless you want to say this is bullet-timing?
    youtu.be/oGXk07Pz61U?t=3m49s”
    /
    If you want to go that far, we can say that Raiden is blocking bullets slower than mach speeds since we don’t see them cover less than 343 meters in a second.
    /
    “She slowly moved out of the way, not much of a dodge, and the bullet is still slow.”
    /
    Only for the first shot and so are the bullets Raiden blocks.
    /
    “You can’t use the distances in a game with such harsh graphical limitations as some kind of accurate estimate. If you insist on using the distances as accurate, then you must also admit that Samus isn’t actually going Mach speeds. It’s one or the other.”
    /
    Aside from the manuals, this is the same game that visually shows Samus making a mach cone when shinesparking, and the speed of shinesparking isn’t that far from speedboosting, so it isn’t graphically limited in showing how something moving faster than the speed of sound works. Are you literally willing to say that the distance Samus runs at that moment is more than 1 meter?
    /
    “It is not game mechanics. How is the Ninja Run game mechanics? As I’ve said before, official game trailer material and the back of the box itself show Raiden deflecting bullets at point-blank range.”
    /
    And as I’ve pointed out before, the official game trailer shows a trailer in gameplay and the image is also taken from gameplay.
    /
    “Secondly, and most importantly, just because it happens in-game does NOT mean it is automatically game mechanics. Every camera, every soldier with a gun, every helicopter, and everything in-between, that is HOW you’re supposed to approach them. In the fight against the G.R.A.D., Raiden has to run down a narrow hallway while it fires at him. When he fights one right before he gets to the Japanese garden, he’s trapped in a tight room. When Raiden fights the cops in Denver, one of them drops down with a gun, and consistently fires at you, making the Ninja Run the most logical choice to approach him.”
    /
    On the other hand the soldiers aren’t accurate shots and you can run around by strafing. Stealth kills also allows you to take a jump on an enemy or two before dispatching the rest. Raiden also has red phosphorus grenades and emps to block them.
    Furthermore, as I pointed out, Ninja Run only blocks bullets and doesn’t block melee attacks and doesn’t point out the distance which Raiden can block bullets for his reaction time.
    And as I further pointed out, if you want to use that, then we get to use Samus using sense move to dodge lasers.
    The only reason why enemies last so long is because of cutscene and story segregation. In cutscenes, we see mooks, bosses go down with one hit and only last long in gameplay is because of health bars.
    /
    “Not to mention that Raiden can deflect bullets from more than one source at a time, which would require speeds and reaction times similar to point-blank deflection.”
    /
    He doesn’t block all of them.
    As shown when he has to run through the hallway in a building with windows, he starts taking damage even in a ninja run and far away from the enemies. We even see him bleed

  83. Alpha or Omega January 8, 2016 at 11:55 pm -      #83

    “As shown when he has to run through the hallway in a building with windows, he starts taking damage even in a ninja run and far away from the enemies. We even see him bleed”
    /
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc1PirSrePE
    Nevermind, rewatched the portion, it shows enemies missing like stormtroopers and RPG’s hitting him during ninja run.
    I also want to point out that the cyborgs switch to their melee weapons when Raiden is close range and to guns at long range, so multiple sources firing at Raiden depends on programmed intelligence and only at long ranges.

  84. Mea quidem sententia January 9, 2016 at 12:11 am -      #84

    I see Raiden struggling to lift Excelsus, but to assuming he’s exerting 2.45 * 10^6 N is faulty. Yes, lifting that monstrosity was impressive as hell, but let me explain. We get to observe Raiden use the arm or whatever from the Excelsus as a weapon, and it isn’t the fastest he’s ever moved his arms. That’s understandable. After all, his blade is smaller and lighter by comparison, but we can only work with how his blade behaves when in use. I’m not sure what Armstrong’s nanomachines were made of, but we can work with that for a benchmark on what Raiden can’t cut through.

  85. Alpha or Omega January 9, 2016 at 12:12 am -      #85

    @Aelfinn
    “Ridicule it all you want, but it will still kill Samus.”
    /
    Doubtful given that Samus can tank nukes.
    /
    “Quick calc.
    Assume Raiden can swing 250 metric tons, or 2.45 million Newtons using a previous calc.
    BankGambling.com/9796-raiden-vs-samus-aran/comment-page-2/#comments
    /
    Length of a katana: 60 cm.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
    /
    Sharpness of blade: 600 angstroms
    edition.cnn.com/2015/04/02/health/surgery-scalpels-obsidian/index.html
    /
    Pressure exerted by that: 6.81e+13 Pascals, or more than the pressure inside the core of the Earth.”
    /
    On the other hand, Raiden struggles to kill Armstrong with this strength. Even if you want to use that, Samus has held a star’s core.
    “The Magmaul, powered by a hyperstatic hydrogen core, fires cohesive projectiles of superheated magma.”
    On the other hand, Samus can wield the magmaul which has a hyperstatic core, otherwise a star’s core. Her suit can withstand the pressure of a star’s core.
    /
    @FriendlySociopath
    “Metal Gear Ray he throws into the air wrestling style
    He breakdances to throw Gekkos around
    He kicks and otherwise throws around all sorts of enemies
    He gets in a fistfight with Armstrong
    And he picks up and bodyslams Excelsius
    Sounds like he’s more than a little willing to hit people without the sword”
    /
    I know that. I even pointed out that Raiden will go hand to hand as shown in Raiden vs Greed. I was even the first one to post those feats in Raiden vs Wesker.
    What I said was that Raiden doesn’t hold on to an enemy and use them as Hulk did.
    /
    “And? That doesn’t mean anything when he has overwhelming evidence that he can bullet-time.”
    /
    I don’t get where it’s overwhelming.
    The only time he blocks bullets is in gameplay. And if you’re willing to use that, with sense move, Samus can dodge lasers.
    /
    “Kitten may be an ass but he has a point, I don’t see how tanking a nuke means someone of Raiden’s strength level won’t hurt her when he applies all of his strength to a sword swing.”
    /
    I never said Raiden won’t hurt her. I even said that in Raiden vs Samus and anything related to that is he would have to drain the shild.
    /
    “And we can’t, you have no argument against this except saying it’s a trope. Which doesn’t make the fact that you can’t see the swings any less true.”
    /
    But it does show that 20 milliseconds isn’t true unless you want to say base Samus without a powersuit is super sonic judging from the manga.
    /
    “What’s your excuse for the swings being farther than Raiden could reach? Another trope?”
    /
    And that proves super sonic swings how?
    /
    “Considering they weren’t threatening Raiden in the slightest during that scene I don’t see why that would possibly be true.”
    /
    Fine, fine. I’ll change the words “threatening way” into “phrase” Sorry for bad wording
    /
    “Obviously, but it means that Raiden being able to chop someone into confetti is something that actually occurs in canon for his enemies to remark on it. Otherwise why mention it at all?”
    /
    I’m not denying that Raiden chops his enemy into confetti. I’m arguing against the proposal of two digit mach speeds.
    /
    “Considering no cutscene in the game indicates Raiden goes cut-crazy in battle, that leaves us with the rest of gameplay to determine his swinging speed.”
    /
    He does go cut-crazy. The first time we see him go Jack-the-Ripper was in a cutscene. His speed is exaggerated.

  86. Alpha or Omega January 9, 2016 at 12:21 am -      #86

    “he would have to drain the shild.”
    /
    *shield

  87. Mea quidem sententia January 9, 2016 at 1:18 am -      #87

    @pimpmage
    That’s not a bad running speed. I was always curious as to how fast a space marine could travel. I’m not sure how the microsecond range was determined from this.

    @Aelfinn
    I wouldn’t say the way the gunfire in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes was stellar, but I would suspect that military weaponry, at least when it comes to small arms fire and machine guns reach the speed of sound, if not supersonic. That just seems to be the typical speed range. I wouldn’t say Samus is even moving at the speed of sound in turns of running speed. After all, the speed booster isn’t present in that game.

    I wouldn’t say Raiden’s speed is even Mach 3, either. I can only think of the freight train for Raiden’s running speed. Surprisingly, when I did the missile calculation, I ended up with Mach 3.5. However, from the Collector’s Edition from Metal Gear Solid IV, Raiden’s top speed was placed at 45 km/h, or 28 mi/h. So, unless Raiden’s running was improved with the new cybernetics, that would canonically be his speed.

    I don’t think I need to show Samus surviving being slammed into the ground at Mach 5 – 7, since I never made the claim that she’d become paste. He who asserts must prove. So the onus is on you. Given that the varia suit has demonstrated the ability to reduce force (never mind that Samus handles blunt force pretty damn well), if we worked with Mach 5, then that’d be reduced 15.01 tons-force for Samus.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=srsRw-6zR8k&t=1740s

    For the entrance at which Samus jumps off into the Pyrosphere, the time takes 3.470 seconds. Using kinematics, Samus dropped 59.06 m. Knowing Samus’ mass using Hamwi’s method based on Samus’ height of 5’9” under the armor, we end up with 65.7709 kg. Adding the armor of 90 kg. gives us 115.7709 kg. With gravitational potential energy, U = (115.7709 kg.)(9.81 N/kg)(59.06 m.) gives us 67,075.88 N m. Dividing this by half, since Samus ends up in a crouching position, that gives us 134,151.76 N. That gives us 15.08 tons-force. But that was before Samus’ varia suit, so . . .

    As for rain stopping during blade mode, that really isn’t an impressive indicator as we have seen in the DBZ thread where we were all busy trying to find out how fast Goku and Beerus moved before the droplets of water hit the water below. If you can see something moving at sonic speed, and I mean this as in 343 cm/ms, then droplets of water doesn’t mean shit, since they reach terminal velocity at 8 m/s.

    I’ve already given my reasons on why I think Samus’ beams travel light speed, so I’m not going to bother with the idea that her beams travel faster than her speed booster based on game play. But, I didn’t bring up this argument, so I don’t know why I’m responding to it. Anyway, god damn it, everyone. Enough with the “game mechanics” nonsense.

  88. Neon Lord January 9, 2016 at 3:28 am -      #88

    “@pimpmage
    That’s not a bad running speed. I was always curious as to how fast a space marine could travel. I’m not sure how the microsecond range was determined from this.”

    Microsecond range reactions are stated in different quotes, which Pimpmage might be able to pull out.

    Pimp, do you have the quote where humans were suffering (lethal) internal hemorrhaging from Bolter rounds exploding near them? I remember a couple, but can’t seem to find them.

  89. Ninja Lowk January 9, 2016 at 4:55 am -      #89

    “Jetstream Sam doesn’t swing at mach speeds, and also, he doesn’t run or dodge at mach speeds.”

    He does slash bullets from a browning m2 out of the air in the opening sequence from close range. Then Block bullets from a fn2000 at an even closer range.
    That double to single digit milliseconds bullet timing.
     https://youtu.be/ysBLfZhGWvQ
    @2:46
    And
    @3:32

    If Raiden is operating  so fast Sam is moving slow then Raiden is moving pretty fuckin fast. Then their is the fact of Raiden. Able to actually match him even outside of blade mode
    ===
    “Which he only does in gameplay, and that can be pointed out as a game mechanic.”

    The game mechnic being that he only allowed to do it while running?

  90. pimpmage January 9, 2016 at 8:27 am -      #90

    “Microsecond range reactions are stated in different quotes, which Pimpmage might be able to pull out.”

    The one I posted above, with Vek, was calced to be just that by aelf.

    “The missile-like bolt shells could not fail to find targets, and for each person they hit and instantly killed, others fell dead or near to it from the shared force of impact. The blasts rippled out through flesh and bone, the crowds were so closely packed together.” Pg.617 Nemesis

    Thats not the right quote, but it’s something similar at least. I do remember the same quote you are talking about, I’ve seen it before, but I’d have to go digging. It’s been posted on this site somewhere before. Maybe SM vs dark trooper? Check there.

  91. pimpmage January 9, 2016 at 10:30 am -      #91

    It was the 40k assaulting SW capital planet match, not SM vs dark trooper I think.

  92. Friendlysociopath January 9, 2016 at 11:09 am -      #92

    As for rain stopping during blade mode, that really isn’t an impressive indicator as we have seen in the DBZ thread where we were all busy trying to find out how fast Goku and Beerus moved before the droplets of water hit the water below

    He only mentioned that because Alpha said the rain didn’t stop at all.

    However, from the Collector’s Edition from Metal Gear Solid IV, Raiden’s top speed was placed at 45 km/h, or 28 mi/h.

    And Blade Mode eats up energy to grant him superior speed, he just can’t do it forever. This fits with both canon and gameplay since any QTE that involves Blade Mode will have you fail if you do not respond quickly enough.
    Running on the missiles involves the heightened state.
    Chopping apart helicopter blades involves the heightened state.
    Slashing Sam’s sword out of his hand involves the heightened state.
    So 45km/h is his normal running speed, and he can briefly enhance this with his heightened mode.

    But it does show that 20 milliseconds isn’t true unless you want to say base Samus without a powersuit is super sonic judging from the manga.

    But unlike a manga, we’re given visual proof we can’t see him swing. You’re given no such thing in those scans.

    And that proves super sonic swings how?

    If you’re cutting further than the weapon reaches, you have to be projecting enough force for the air of your passing to cut it. Strength alone can’t do such a thing, you require speed for such a thing.

    He does go cut-crazy. The first time we see him go Jack-the-Ripper was in a cutscene. .

    He makes likes two swings to cut his enemies down quickly so he can deal with Monsoon- he didn’t pull the slice and dice routine at all.
    The only thing special about Ripper is that he cuts straight through everything- it’s not a speed-boost or even Blade Mode- it just makes him hit harder.

    His speed is exaggerated

    By the game that you get the same feats from, meaning it’s not an exaggeration.

  93. Mea quidem sententia January 9, 2016 at 11:21 am -      #93

    @Friendlysociopath
    I’m not denying Raiden’s reaction time or his impressive slice and dice. I was just bringing up that’s supported by canon. However, freight trains typically travel 60 mi/h, and Raiden caught up to it, so once again, this is the only speed feat I know of. That may put him up to 70 mi/h. It could be as low as 65 mi/h, or it could be higher. Snake jumped off a missile before, and while that would put his reaction time on a low level, I wouldn’t assume he can run Mach speeds.

    Thanks for the clarification on the rain drops.

  94. Friendlysociopath January 9, 2016 at 11:27 am -      #94

    Thanks for the clarification on the rain drops.

    Sure sure, enjoy your newborn btw- boy or girl?

    However, freight trains typically travel 60 mi/h, and Raiden caught up to it, so once again, this is the only speed feat I know of.

    Don’t trains slow down when they approach cities?
    (Brief Google search)
    Well apparently that depends on the type of track, and wouldn’t be valid for laws in Africa anyways- I got nothing.

    I was just bringing up that’s supported by canon.

    Just pointing out that “official canon” often does not match actual feats presented. Case in point, Spider-Man only being capable of “15 tons” while in his comics he was throwing around tanks.
    Was that for his old or new body?

    Here’s a video of Raiden vs Sam btw- although it’s someone doing zero damage so they approach the fight differently
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9odEW41JO8

  95. Alpha or Omega January 9, 2016 at 1:00 pm -      #95

    @Lowk
    “He does slash bullets from a browning m2 out of the air in the opening sequence from close range.”
    /
    That’s specifically not a browning M2, unlike the Metal Gear Solid series, they decide to give different and fictional guns.
    I also want to point out that there’s spread for that weapon and when we see Sam go close up, he only swings twice and it’s not real quick like it was with Grey Fox. Right after those , Sam raises his sword and doesn’t attempt to block. The bullets don’t hit Sam from there.
    /
    “Then Block bullets from a fn2000 at an even closer range.
    That double to single digit milliseconds bullet timing.”
    /
    Those guns are mak-200s, but I did admit that is Sam’s only showing.
    /
    “If Raiden is operating so fast Sam is moving slow then Raiden is moving pretty fuckin fast.”
    /
    In blade mode only.
    This also accounting for the fact that Sam doesn’t run or backflips at mach speeds, and he isn’t as slowed down.
    /
    “Then their is the fact of Raiden. Able to actually match him even outside of blade mode”
    /
    In the 2nd battle?
    He gives off a huge tell when he is about to do a move where he runs from half the distance of the battlefield(not even mach 1 for movement speed mind you since the battlefield is less than 340 meters), and a single parry stops him from doing a second or third swing.
    /
    “The game mechnic being that he only allowed to do it while running?”
    /
    No. The fact that he can do it from any distance(which Aelfinn is arguing for point blank range while Metroid isn’t allowed to do despite the fact that the specific action is mandatory to get the energy tank), and not told from how far Raiden needs to be before it’s beyoned his reaction times.
    /
    @FriendlySociopath
    “And Blade Mode eats up energy to grant him superior speed, he just can’t do it forever. This fits with both canon and gameplay since any QTE that involves Blade Mode will have you fail if you do not respond quickly enough.
    Running on the missiles involves the heightened state.
    Chopping apart helicopter blades involves the heightened state.
    Slashing Sam’s sword out of his hand involves the heightened state.
    So 45km/h is his normal running speed, and he can briefly enhance this with his heightened mode.”
    /
    Which is why I said he’s super sonic in blade mode not double digit mach speeds.
    /
    “But unlike a manga, we’re given visual proof we can’t see him swing. You’re given no such thing in those scans.”
    /
    The guy who was watching from the binocular’s didn’t see Samus and the guys who were about to shoot the girl didn’t see her either.
    Furthermore, the place was surrounded by mooks and slaves, and no one saw Samus.
    I also want to point out an inconsistency.
    If we assume the 20 milliseconds is true, Raiden is fast enough to swing that fast, yet that is the same body that fails to block the knives of Vamp. Sam swings fast enough to block bullets and yet doesn’t look invisible. Between the 1st battle of RaidenvSam, we don’t see any invisible swings and Sam wrecks Raiden
    I also want to point out that the swords and human arms aren’t as big as the entire human body so the invisible could be from size than speed.
    /
    “If you’re cutting further than the weapon reaches, you have to be projecting enough force for the air of your passing to cut it. Strength alone can’t do such a thing, you require speed for such a thing.”
    /
    Except you have a weapon the clearly does such a thing. The high-frequency blade.
    /
    “He makes likes two swings to cut his enemies down quickly so he can deal with Monsoon- he didn’t pull the slice and dice routine at all.
    The only thing special about Ripper is that he cuts straight through everything- it’s not a speed-boost or even Blade Mode- it just makes him hit harder.”
    /
    And drains the same electrolytes that the blade mode uses.
    /
    “By the game that you get the same feats from, meaning it’s not an exaggeration.”
    /
    Double digit mach speeds is an exaggeration made from a calc that doesn’t factor cars falling at subsonic speeds, enemies moving at subsonic speeds, and the bosses running or walking.

  96. Friendlysociopath January 9, 2016 at 3:19 pm -      #96

    and a single parry stops him from doing a second or third swing.

    Except I posted a video of the fight and parrying does not always stop him from doing a series of swings. Raiden can keep up with Sam going full-speed.

    and not told from how far Raiden needs to be before it’s beyoned his reaction times.

    Apparently never since in the game you can be running right in front of them and he can still block it. Just because it’s gameplay doesn’t mean you can just write it off.

    The guy who was watching from the binocular’s didn’t see Samus and the guys who were about to shoot the girl didn’t see her either.


    The person who is watching through binoculars didn’t see the person right next to them leave? –
    Shocking.
    And, again, no timeframe whatsoever is given for that because it’s a manga.

    Except you have a weapon the clearly does such a thing. The high-frequency blade.

    All the mooks with machetes and a few metal gears have that as well- yet the only ones we see pulling that off are Raiden and Sam- who are confirmed to attack at supersonic speeds via being able to block bullets and strike several times without us seeing the blade move.

    And drains the same electrolytes that the blade mode uses.

    Since when does using the same power-source mean it does the same thing? Ripper-Mode is a damage-boost, nothing in the game indicates it makes Raiden any faster.
    Raiden clearly toys with his enemies by stabbing their hands and then oneshots them- this in no way disproves the rest of his QTE-style feats when he’s not even trying to cut them into pieces.

    Also, pretty sure the drain is game mechanics since Raiden outright says “This is my normal” when activating the mode. And it matches up with the feats he demonstrates without activating that mode like cutting the metal gears apart in a single swing.

    Double digit mach speeds is an exaggeration made from a calc that doesn’t factor cars falling at subsonic speeds, enemies moving at subsonic speeds, and the bosses running or walking.

    Just like saying he’s only supersonic is downplaying which doesn’t factor in helicopter blades spinning, bullets moving slower, variations in how fast the objects move, and enemies being able to deflect bullets.
    Variation in the feats doesn’t mean you get to ignore them.

    I noticed something btw
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AhExL2u7B8
    It seems for nearly all of those QTE’s, his reaction time rises as he’s going- they get slower as the QTE goes on.

    If we assume the 20 milliseconds is true, Raiden is fast enough to swing that fast, yet that is the same body that fails to block the knives of Vamp.

    Because Vamp is also superhuman and throws knives faster than a normal human? You’ve yet to actually address why this is not possible.

    Between the 1st battle of RaidenvSam, we don’t see any invisible swings and Sam wrecks Raiden

    You realize from Raiden’s POV none of the swings are invisible? That’s his normal speed.
    Also, in the 2nd battle Sam clearly does have a move that strikes several times while he only swings once.

    You can stop reading now as I’m about to go horribly off-topic- I think I know why DBZ characters never attack one another while they’re transforming.
    When you transform or power-up you’re releasing Ki in all directions. Ginyu even tries attacking Goku as he’s powering up and the attacks are deflected by the Ki Goku is expelling.
    And, as we know full and well, once you transform you start using up more and more energy to maintain it. That means there’s no point to attacking people who are powering up/transforming because they’re at their strongest defensively at that moment- and from then onwards they’ll only be getting weaker.

  97. Ninja Lowk January 9, 2016 at 3:55 pm -      #97

    “That’s specifically not a browning M2, unlike the Metal Gear Solid series, they decide to give different and fictional guns.”

    So it’s a gun with a different name  designed like the equivalent to a gun that probably actually still exist in the universe? Okay.
    Still even at the speed of sound you’re still getting close to single digit millisecond range.
    ===
    “I also want to point out that there’s spread for that weapon and when we see Sam go close up, he only swings twice and it’s not real quick like it was with Grey Fox.”

    Does it really matter? Visually speaking samus doesn’t look like she’s moving supersonic. He slash away the bullet that were about to hit him. Which is the intended purpose of that moment. Showing us that Sam can slice bullets out of the air.
    ===
    “In blade mode only.”

    Which is an ability he has access to…
    ===
    ” He gives off a huge tell when he is about to do a move where he runs from half the distance of the battlefield”

    their is a QTE where Raiden parries his strike. He’s also shown to be able to block him in the cutscenes in the first fight as well.
    ===
    “No. The fact that he can do it from any distance”

    Considering that
    A. He could react to someone who does something like that very casually.
    B. With his new body he was avle to beat said person and move fast enough( he seemed slow, even in a QTE.
    C. He is capable of RUNNING towards gunmen while blocking against a hail of gunfire.
    Kinda points to him having the reactions to do that. Hell the fact the designers put it in with the explicit reasoning of blocking bullets to get you within sword range points to that as well.
    ===
    Both chacaters are pretty and fast with supersonic reacting blahblahblah.

  98. Alpha or Omega January 9, 2016 at 4:55 pm -      #98

    @FriendlySociopath
    “Except I posted a video of the fight and parrying does not always stop him from doing a series of swings. Raiden can keep up with Sam going full-speed.”
    /
    You’re not familiar with the game, are you?
    Those are BLOCKS, not PARRIES.
    If you parry an attack, Raiden counterattacks after a block.
    /
    “Apparently never since in the game you can be running right in front of them and he can still block it. Just because it’s gameplay doesn’t mean you can just write it off.”
    /
    We can write it off if we don’t have a determined distance Raiden can do it.
    /
    “…
    The person who is watching through binoculars didn’t see the person right next to them leave? –
    Shocking.
    And, again, no timeframe whatsoever is given for that because it’s a manga.”
    /
    The area is surrounded with Space Pirates. None of them saw Samus. And the timeframe would be 20 milliseconds because Samus couldn’t be seen by an eye since we’re doing the same for Raiden. Otherwise, they would’ve fired on Samus before she even got there.
    /
    “All the mooks with machetes and a few metal gears have that as well- yet the only ones we see pulling that off are Raiden and Sam- who are confirmed to attack at supersonic speeds via being able to block bullets and strike several times without us seeing the blade move.”
    /
    On the other hand, we only see this in blade mode. And they’re only supersonic in blade mode. And it’s more likely due to the fact that arms and swords aren’t as big as bodies.
    You don’t see arrows move in Real Life, and they aren’t even supersonic.
    /
    “Since when does using the same power-source mean it does the same thing? Ripper-Mode is a damage-boost, nothing in the game indicates it makes Raiden any faster.
    Raiden clearly toys with his enemies by stabbing their hands and then oneshots them- this in no way disproves the rest of his QTE-style feats when he’s not even trying to cut them into pieces.”
    /
    He only toys with them in Jack-the-Ripper mode.
    He doesn’t toy with his enemies otherwise.
    /
    Also, pretty sure the drain is game mechanics since Raiden outright says “This is my normal” when activating the mode. And it matches up with the feats he demonstrates without activating that mode like cutting the metal gears apart in a single swing.
    /
    “Just like saying he’s only supersonic is downplaying which doesn’t factor in helicopter blades spinning, bullets moving slower, variations in how fast the objects move, and enemies being able to deflect bullets.
    Variation in the feats doesn’t mean you get to ignore them.”
    /
    That is not downplay.
    I already pointed out that the helicopters blades are only mach 1 when they are in a FORWARD VELOCITY when Aelfinn try to say the blades were super sonic.
    The bullets aren’t slowed to a crawl. Vehicles thrown at less than sonic speeds. Heck, even the video I posted before Raiden runs, you can see window shards moving during the blade mode of the first mook.
    I’m not ignoring them. I’m pointing them out.
    Also, there’s like only two characters that are shown to block bullets in that game. Raiden and Sam.
    /
    “I noticed something btw
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AhExL2u7B8
    It seems for nearly all of those QTE’s, his reaction time rises as he’s going- they get slower as the QTE goes on.”
    /
    I also pointed out it gets back to normal if Raiden were to fail. Furthermore, it slows down every time he blocks or parries.
    /
    “Because Vamp is also superhuman and throws knives faster than a normal human?”
    /
    Those thrown knives aren’t super sonic.
    /
    “You’ve yet to actually address why this is not possible.”
    /
    Simple, those knives aren’t going at the speed of sound since we see them in cutscene.
    /
    “You realize from Raiden’s POV none of the swings are invisible? That’s his normal speed.”
    /
    None of that is in Raiden’s POV. The only time it happens is when Raiden gets punched by Armstrong or listiening to Monsoon
    /
    “Also, in the 2nd battle Sam clearly does have a move that strikes several times while he only swings once.”
    /
    Which you can block all of them by doing one block.

  99. Alpha or Omega January 9, 2016 at 5:18 pm -      #99

    @Lowk
    “So it’s a gun with a different name designed like the equivalent to a gun that probably actually still exist in the universe? Okay.
    Still even at the speed of sound you’re still getting close to single digit millisecond range.”
    /
    I know that, I’m just saying we shouldn’t apply the equivalent because it’s not the same gun.
    I’m not saying he wasn’t bullet timing at that point.
    /
    “Does it really matter? Visually speaking samus doesn’t look like she’s moving supersonic. He slash away the bullet that were about to hit him. Which is the intended purpose of that moment. Showing us that Sam can slice bullets out of the air.”
    /
    I’m not arguing speed. I’m arguing distance. To be considered point blank is one meter or less. That scene shows Sam 2 meters away.
    I’m also pointing out that the gun isn’t accurate.
    Maybe I worded it badly, but that was the point I was trying to put across.
    /
    “Which is an ability he has access to…”
    /
    I didn’t say he doesn’t have access to it.
    I’m saying that he’s only that fast in blade mode.
    /
    “their is a QTE where Raiden parries his strike. He’s also shown to be able to block him in the cutscenes in the first fight as well.”
    /
    That QTE is after Raiden gives him a large cut chest to stomach.
    Furthermore, that specific QTE is near the end where we see Sam exhausted and barely able to move from the killing impale.
    /
    “Considering that
    A. He could react to someone who does something like that very casually.”
    /
    Not point blank casually, but close range casually.
    /
    “B. With his new body he was avle to beat said person and move fast enough( he seemed slow, even in a QTE.”
    /
    Right, but my point is that Sam is still moving while in that by backflips or running. Last time I checked
    /
    “C. He is capable of RUNNING towards gunmen while blocking against a hail of gunfire.
    Kinda points to him having the reactions to do that. Hell the fact the designers put it in with the explicit reasoning of blocking bullets to get you within sword range points to that as well.”
    /
    This all depends on the programmed intelligence of the enemies.
    When you get close up, they switch to swords(unless they’re the enemies wielding RPGs), some of the areas are like in a elevator or Japanese gardens and the enemies switch to swords.
    The Devs also made sure that the enemies don’t automatically spot you, so you can make stealth kills on one or two enemies before taking out the rest.

  100. Alpha or Omega January 9, 2016 at 5:27 pm -      #100

    @FriendlySociopath
    “Also, pretty sure the drain is game mechanics since Raiden outright says “This is my normal” when activating the mode. And it matches up with the feats he demonstrates without activating that mode like cutting the metal gears apart in a single swing.”
    /
    When he says “this is my normal,” that is referring to his thirst of blood. Not the lack of electrolyte drain. I also want to point out that he was only like that throughout the Monsoon fight because he was impaled earlier and used that same pain to maintain that. After the Monsoon fight, it turns off and it requires electrolytes for Raiden to activate it.
    It’s also debatable if that’s his normal personality since Courtney disagrees over a codec.

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Raiders of the Lost Ark - This is an amazing read on the thought process between George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Lawrence Kasdan as they talk through the concepts of this amazing film. It's practically peering into the thought process of some of the most influential film makers of our day. And amazingly, shows how creative Lucas was.

Help Out Nepal

Finally a good reason to support Destiny.

Modern Gaming

Sad but true.

Curiosity Rover Spotted by Mars Orbiter on Mount Sharp

Humanity is the invading alien now...

Nope

No way I go here alone

17 Rare Star Wars Pictures

To see them, click here

Comic Con 2013 Cosplay Gallery

Just a ton of pictures of cosplayers from the 2013 Comic Con event

Ancient Aliens Map

If you ever watched the show "Ancient Aliens" and wanted a quick reference to where all the locations they mention are at, this is the site for you!

Fictional Universes Database

Soon to be shut down by Google, but here is a great starting point for Fictional Universes

99 Star Wars Pics

Some are cool, some are a bit absurd, but they are all based on Star Wars

Alternate Movie Posters

Something a bit distinct - Check them out

Epic Swiss Army Knife

Not Really...

Future Me

Write yourself an email letter to the future - Future Me

Neil Degrasse Tyson

Star Talk Radio - As always, keep looking up!