Published on December 8, 2008, by admin - Posted in Tag Teams 74
Carnage galore for this match.
As much as I’d like to think that team Marvel has a chance, I’d place my bets on Kharne and Lobo FTW.
How do you see this match playing out?
My two favorite characters on opposite sides (wouldnt have it any other way), each with some very mighty back-up.
Ill let others express themselves first. LET THE MAYHEM COMENCE!
Well I’m thinking Kharn could beat down Thor after one of the most epic battles in the history of this site. Now yes, Thor is the avatar of a god, however; I’m thinking Khrone is more powerful than even Odin when it comes down to it, IE he could give his favored son even greater power than even Thor could muster, all the while canceling most of Thor’s magical abilities.
Now for Lobo and Ghost rider, they are both technically “immortal” but can be beaten into submission. Personally; with the absolute ridiculousness that is Lobo he could win….but I’m always up for debate on that.
this would be a great battle.because when thor got the odin force,he was more powerful than odin who could destroy a galaxy.
im gona read up on rune king thor thou.
oh and i got a question,if karn was vaporized,could the blood god remake him right there?like what if the planet was gone?(im not thinking he would blow it up immediatly.)
also i heard that lobo cant regen from dust anymore.
Lobo not regenning from a single suviving cell? I havent heard that.
Also, Kharn’s revival is generally unknown sinse it happened only once. It really would depend on whatever Khorne feels like doing.
My oppinion in the matter is that if the fight promises to be massive in terms of carnage, Khorne might pop him up right on the spot (if not make him completely invilnerable to begin with). If there is nothing else to kill, like the scenario you present of a whole planet blowing up, Khorne might simply pop him elsewhere in the Eye of Terror. This is all mainly higly untested, just logical assumption.
In the scale of this particular fight I would say Khorne might make his champion night invulnerable, and should he fall he would surely stand right up.
the Lobo comment disturbs me. that might change the outcome of the fight completely.
I think it would be safest to go with a power level that is the same as how the characters are most often depicted… Leaving the extremes out for the sake of civility.
Just a thought.
scrath that its ethier thor with odin force or rune king thor,who was more powerful than his father because of his knowledge of the runes.although he hasnt been shown doing much cept willing people into nothingness and easily ripping loki’s head off.
he has time controll too.
one last thing,thor is actually quite skilled in hand to hand combat.
Vril Dox toke the ability to remake him self from lobo so he cant anymore.
oh and as for the power odin force is supposed to be incalcuable,near infinte power.
though how much he can tap in too is another thing.
“Vril Dox toke the ability to remake him self from lobo so he cant anymore.
oh and as for the power odin force is supposed to be incalcuable,near infinte power.
though how much he can tap in too is another thing.”
In that case, we also have to consider that Thor no longer has the Odinforce or the power of Runes. We would have to consider the most current aspects.
If that’s the case, team Kharn/Lobo is hurting pretty bad. Thor and Ghostie can dish out an incredible amount of punishment. Regeneration is pretty much a MUST to go against them.
wait,he cant grow copies,i dont know about regen.but being beat down hard would take a long time to come back.also his strength varies on the comics.
for thor i would like to state what he is capable of.
-survived orbital falls.
-abilities to create dimensional apertures(things like wormholes)
-god blast(he can concentrate odinforce to accomplish this.)
-surpassed his father making him a galaxy buster.
thats what i know about thor.
dont know much about lobo,kharn or ghost rider though.
the odinforce he can use most of but when he is done,he would have to sleep to recharge it.
found more things more things on mjlonir.
it can emitting mystical blasts of energy; controlling electromagnetism; molecular manipulation and generating the Geo-Blast.
also would he be undead if he came back?because mjlonir being holy is effective against evil and the dead.
he can also drain life energy.
well the most current thor lost,but got back the odin force.because his trails were harsher it was revealed that he became more powerful than odin.
What if Ghost Rider gets the Pentanance Stare on Lobo? Wouldn’t that kill him since Lobo basically is evil AND killed Santa
one last thing,thor can use the hammer to stop time regardless w/o the runes.
Ok, now that marche has tackled Thor’s credits, lets take a look at my players of choice Kharn and Ghost Rider.
Lobo is fairly well known, and im sure others might be able to discuss him better than I.
First Kharn. For a little better understanding of him, please visit the Kharn vs Link discussion here – BankGambling.com/archives/1007#comments
I discuss all things Kharn in that match along with others. Needless to say, he is well within Thor’s playing field.
Now for the underdog, my boy Ghost Rider, the Spirit of Vengeance. This is one of the least appreciated characters in mainstream Marvel right now. This has mainly been due to the fact that he has had terrible writers and a very convoluted back story. Thankfully, the newest volume has made a phenomenal job of putting everything together.
Bottom line is this, he certainly belongs here. Not just that, but he might surpass some contestants.
First he has enhanced everything. The mystical energies that make up this anti-hero give him super strength, endurance, and power. He might be lacking a bit of agility and speed for this particular match, but this does not leave him out for the count. His mystical bike provides him with all the speed he needs, matching even velocities displayed by the Flash.
All the others in this match surpass Ghost Rider in fighting prowess, but I think there is a major factor to be considered which I will go into in a bit.
There are a few incarnations, but they have come together into the latest one perfectly in terms of power and abilities. The Rider has complete control over Hellfire. A mystical power that is able to char a victim’s soul without harming anything else, but Ghost Rider has also displayed blazing energy outputs that match nuclear blasts. He has leveled entire city blocks with a minor blast.
His weapon of choice, the mystical chain, has many unknown properties that make it just as mighty as Mjolnir and Gorechild. The different incarnations of the Rider have fashioned several weapons from it. It has shown the capacity of being completely indestructible. It has even proven to grant the Rider some control over his victims when he channels hellfire through the deadly links.
Ghost Rider has a supernatural ability to reconstitute himself, mystically healing any damage. He has literally been blown to bits, to be reformed in a few panels. His bike has displayed this same ability. The has been only one instance where he has “died”. This was done simply to seduce a demon into absorbing his energy, kind of how Neo jumped into Agent Smith, dealing a killing blow to the demon in turn (whom had an invulnerability to match his own). The Rider rose again after a brief period of absence.
An incarnation of the Rider killed and took over Mephisto’s hell (Blackout being the lord of hell at the time). Displaying a power that matched that of a god, he took the throne of hell for a while.
On another occasion, the Devil tricked the rider into pulling him out of hell onto the material world (clever little bastard). This fragmented the Devil into 666 pieces for the mortal realm could not hold such a fiend. Those pieces that took over the same number of fresh corpses. Ghost Rider hunted down and killed each piece. Every time he killed one, the rest grew in power until the full Devil was in all his capacities on earth. Ghost Rider still defeated this beast, sending it back from whence it came.
The Rider’s true secret weapon (although not so secret as of late) is his Penance Stare. This ability allows him to singe the opponent’s soul with Hellfire, turning the pain of their sins against them. This ability has completely crippled opponents, scarring and disabling them for the rest of their lives. It has even killed offenders in some instances.
Now what makes this being function? Vengeance. Its like a drug. The Rider lives for this. He has displayed an ability to buff his own powers when facing particularly vicious offenders. The more fiendish the foe, the more powerful he has become. Whatever is needed so the innocent can be avenged.
It has been stated by one of the most powerful beings in Marvel universe, Dr. Stephen Strange, that the Ghost Rider has the power to stop even the mighty Hulk. The only true offset he has had is in form of his human vessel, Johnny Blaze. His host serves him as a sort of anchor, preventing such power to roam the earth freely, often having the human host call the shots.
This delicate balance is what has kept the Spirit of Vengeance in check. Otherwise, he would mercilessly hunt and punish wrongdoers indiscriminately. Often using much more force than necessary. He has caused millions of dollars worth of damages simply to catch “the bad guy”.
He cares not for mortal affairs. He takes no sides. All he lives for is to punish the wicked.
Now, how does he match up to this particular fight? Ghost Rider has never come face to face to beings as wretched and vile as Kharn and Lobo. I believe that his thirst for vengeance will unleash a power far more terrible that we have ever seen. There is no way that Blaze could contain the full fury of the Ghost Rider. I’m pretty certain he would go straight for Kharn’s head. Kharn would have it no other way because he will be coming for the Rider’s own. After all, a flaming skull would indeed look fitting below Khorne’s throne.
A man that has wrecked havoc all across a universe, having several million victims across hundreds of worlds for over ten thousand years, Kharn will certainly be Ghost Rider’s target. Combine Kharn’s dark soul with Lobo’s own for a partnership, and we could not even predict how exponential Ghost Rider’s power will be.
As for how the Penance Stare alone will factor into this fight, I dont think it will play a factor at all. Kharn and Lobo live for mayhem, there is no guilt or even souls to speak of for the Rider to punish. He will have to duke it out the old-fashion way.
As I have mentioned in the past, Kharn has the ability to nullify supernatural attacks. I somehow don’t think there is enough juice to switch off either of the members in the Marvel team. Their power on this fight will simply be too great, though Kharns own power from the furious combat would surely grow as well. Ill leave this point open for debate.
Up to this point, I thought Kharn vs Lobo would be the most epic match on this site (although it didn’t receive many visits…I guess it has to include MC for that). This tag battle trumps that match tenfold. I cant truly call a winning team in this fight. I am going to lean towards Team Marvel, but Team Mayhem has all the tools to win this fight as well.
“although it didn’t receive many visits…I guess it has to include MC for that”
lol yes thats true,look at mc vs magneto,the fanbois support him for some reason,while the other guys just hate him,its like:
HATER:more idiotic drabble
MCFAN:idiotic drabble aimed at hater
smart guy:decent post filled with details.
but enough about that stuff.
thor has a big advantage because i dont know if lobo or kharn have protection against time stopping.
id also like to mention thors abilities to project holograms,see through illusions,and controll over weather.
if it was lobo vs thor,i think he can scare him off.
thor and his godblast would irritate him,plus in hand to hand combat he has many years of experince(im no talking about decades ethier.)
Yea, I think that out of this match Ghost Rider is the underdog, but Lobo is the actual weakest (and by that I mean not as powerful as the others). This is just because Thor is far superior and the other 2 have the potential to continue to grow in power.
Rider grows due to Vengeance, Kharn grows due to the actual mayhem.
Still, that imbalance might tilt this match in favor to the Marvel duo. That still does not mean that Kharn is incapable of holding both heroes back.
Very interesting match indeed.
I wonder what would happen when the Blood Champion receives a Hellfire imbued Mjolnir to the chest cavity?
“lol yes thats true,look at mc vs magneto,the fanbois support him for some reason,while the other guys just hate him,its like:
HATER:more idiotic drabble
MCFAN:idiotic drabble aimed at hater
smart guy:decent post filled with details.”
BTW, the correctness of your statement is pure epic.
Kharn and Lobo have this. Where Kharn has some power of Khorne, he could neutralize Thor’s immortality. Kharn could easily slay Thor then. Lobo could restrain Ghost Rider or do something of the sort until Ghost Rider is able to die, or (although it might not work the same) Kharn might be able to neutralize Ghost Rider’s immortality immediately. The only possible problem is Ghost Riders penance stare, but he would be unable to use it on either of them. Did this need a fight?
“The only possible problem is Ghost Riders penance stare, but he would be unable to use it on either of them.”
Even if he got an opportunity to unleash the Penance Stare on either of them, I dont think it will work. Team Mayhem has no kind of remorse in their dark souls.
I’m not sure Thor can be as easily disposed of as you suggest, but he indeed lacks the “come back for more” factor the other 3 possess. He might indeed be the first victim of attrition.
I already stated that Lobo is the weakest link. If Kharn actually manages to defeat Thor while holding Ghost Rider back (very difficult on both counts), then the fight would reach the same sort of stalemate as the Kharn vs Lobo match.
Again, this fight is epic. Im still leaning towards Team Marvel, but I trully cannot cast a final vote….
How about a Hellfire imbued God Blast?
That takes the cake, in my opinion, since the God Blast on its own could deal a great amount of damage to even Galactus.
I’m leaning heavily towards Thor and Ghost Rider.
The Penance Stare:
Ghost Rider possesses the supernatural ability to cause any individual who stares into his eyes to see and feel every bit of pain they have ever inflicted on anyone in their entire lifetime.
-From Marvel Database
There is it. If that is the way it works, Ghost Rider could inflict lots of damage on Lobo, and a whooping amount of damage on Kharn.
penace stare would most likely not affect kharn.
“Where Kharn has some power of Khorne, he could neutralize Thor’s immortality”
no i dont think so,most of his attacks can be blocked by mjolnir.
while his is inexaustable stamina and his durabilty is all his own,i dont think kharn can cancel that.
Kharns protection would extend to Thor’s lightning and energy attacks as well as the Rider’s Hellfire. It would do nothing to subdue Thor’s or the Rider’s Immortality.
Certain attacks might be able to be too strong for them to be completely nullified. I think the Marvel team has such strength, but it is like a 30% success scenario. That Hellfire imbued Mjolnir hurl might do the trick…
I think the thunder God might show us the beserker rage that made him an icon to the vikings Just imagine him hauling off like Kharn only with the mighty Mjolnir. As for Lobo he has seen hell before and would probably enjoy the pain of his victims as much as he did dishing it out but i don’t know enough about Kharn to say the pennance stare would be as inefective as i think it would be on Lobo. And in the end i think the bikers should duke it out (Lobo & GhostRider)
A biker beat down would be great to watch. Zipping through at blinding speeds, with chains flaying flesh and cracking bones alike.
Yes indeed the Penance Stare would be ineffective. Kharn and Lobo have indeed caused such a massive amount of pain across galaxies, but these two are beyond reprisal. Kharn serves his bloodthirsty god without any remorse, and Lobo is as much a maniac as the Chaos Marine.
Although, if we take into consideration the “buffing”effect Ghost Rider would have in the presence of these 2, I just cant truly say how potent his stare might become. It might just turn them to ash rather than just make them feel the retribution pain…
…Dear lord, this would be the greatest match up ever…
Much as I hate to say it, I think Lobo and Kharn are going down. I can’t help but compare Thor to Leman Russ (Hard-as-nails Viking space marine, one of the few loyallists possibly still alive, currently in “The eye of Chaos” Kharns home town, causing havoc and drinking mead.
Ghost rider is a class unto his own, But seeing as he regularly stands against Mephisto, blackheart and numerous other Unholy powered beasts its probable that he could take Kharn…although…
Would hellfire have any effect on Kharn? After all it effects the soul (correct me if I’m wrong) and Kharns soul has long since been claimed by Khorne. Same for the penance stare. does it cause the reciever to face their actions, or to feel the pain of their actions?
Kharn would most likely revel in seeing the bloodshed he has commited over the years. Feeling the pain on the other hand would more than likely literally explode his nigh immortal body… and he’s never been resurrected from an insta-gibbing
My bets on team marvel regardless
You guys are forgetting though the Penance Stare is from HELLFIRE, I mean damn it’s fire that burns your soulwhat more could you ask for? Also, Ghost Rider is straight from Hell itself so it might effect Kharn and Lobo just a bit
“You guys are forgetting though the Penance Stare is from HELLFIRE, I mean damn it’s fire that burns your soulwhat more could you ask for? Also, Ghost Rider is straight from Hell itself so it might effect Kharn and Lobo just a bit”
Ghost Rider is not from hell. In fact, everything about him has been wrongly believed to be from hell. Johnny Blaze has been tricked in the worst possible way by the powers that be. He is actually the host of a powerful angel, put there by an even more powerful angel with the ambition of taking heaven’s throne for himself. The fact that Blaze had made a pack with the devil, and the devil meant to put a demon into John, gave Zadkiel (the angel in question) the perfect opportunity for him to be possessed by the heavenly being instead.
So Hellfire might not be Hellfire after all, though most of this is only being recently revealed in the newest volume of the comic book series. A new name for his powers has not been given.
Ghost rider is meant to be a being that brings unbalance to the struggle between Heaven and Hell for Zadkiel to de-throne the almighty.
“Would hellfire have any effect on Kharn? After all it effects the soul (correct me if I’m wrong) and Kharns soul has long since been claimed by Khorne. Same for the penance stare. does it cause the reciever to face their actions, or to feel the pain of their actions?”
The Stare burns the soul of the person, turning every evil act they have done into severe pain. This attack actually taps into the receiver’s capacity for redemption no matter however small it might be. Like I’ve said before, I don’t think the Penance Stare will have an effect on Team Mayhem because they are too far gone from reprisal.
That said, Hellfire is NOT just meant to burn the soul. Ghost Rider is perfectly capable of using it in that manner, but he can also make it burn hotter than any physical flame. This is why his explosions are particularly devastating. Coupled with the “buffing” effect I discussed above due to being in the presence of two beings that call out more Vengeance that anything the Rider has ever encountered, and Khorne’s supernatural nullification may not even be able to stop the powerful flames.
well ghost rider is just a burning heap of bones in my eyes. I say that kharn can beat the living hell out of him, after all he has defeated entire space marine army’s.
P.S the kharn pic is a bit out of date.
Oh and the Penance Stare can only be used if ghostrider is holding them up. Kharn is about 3 tonnes. so my bets on Kharn and lobo
Ok…..now Diana is just asking for a flaming……
Kharn is KHORNES Champion!
He would Obviously go bezerk and rip both of thier heads off.
And Khane Has a skull collection, a flaming one would be nice and he has defeated ENTIRE SPACE MARINE ARMIES!!!!!
I will also state that Khorne Is the god of Battle gore/blood The more furious The fighting The more powerful Kharn becomes so i am going with Team MAYHEM!!!!!
“tin can armour”
pah….its ceramite As tough as reinforced concrete only 1000X tougher
I usually back up any 40k fan in here. However, you just come across as grossly misinformed. Team Mayhem is mighty indeed (perhaps one of the mightiests to have ever been suggested), but in Team Marvel they found perfect opponents.
Go read up on my posts and opinions regarding Ghost Rider. In this particular instance, and in the prescence of Team Mayhem, I beleive him to be far more powerful than Thor…and thats saying quite a bit.
Kharn and Ghost Rider are my particular favorite characters for a reason, and oddly enough, that reason will become apparent in this fight. Both have potential to grow in power exponentially; Kharn, through Khorne, feeds off on combat, while the Rider feeds off on the need to serve Vengeance. There is no dispute that Kharn is deserving of much Vengeance sent his way. Which will in turn make for a more furious fight.
This fight could indeed rip holes through multiple realities.
“Oh and the Penance Stare can only be used if ghostrider is holding them up. Kharn is about 3 tonnes.”
There is too much ignorance in that statement for me to continue.
thor can go beserk too,not to mention he can galaxy bust.
“thor can go beserk too,not to mention he can galaxy bust.”
I know, thats why I pin the fight the way I do. Thor and Lobo are extremely powerful, and both are capable of going berzerk. However, I dont think they have the ability to increase their raw power exponentially like Kharn and Ghostie could.
Unless Thor breaks out his runemagic, he and Lobo will be left behind by the two cosmic titans.
Its a fact of scope and concept. Kharn = essence of Combat. Ghost Rider = essence of Vengeance. These two principles would feed upon one other into an endless loop.
Hmmmm, In the movie,He can be tossed around relativly easily as ive seen it the raw strength of Kharn could and just might be able to decapitate ghost rider.
Thor is an avatar of the thunder god
Kharn is pretty much the same only with the blood god.
No-one ever mentions his pistol.
He could quite possibly shoot both of them before they even get in close combat.
im not ignorant by Nature i went a bit co-co anyway. He is 3 tonnes, i would like to see him snap his bony legs trying to lift kharn up.
“im not ignorant by Nature i went a bit co-co anyway. He is 3 tonnes, i would like to see him snap his bony legs trying to lift kharn up.”
I feel strongly obliged to point out the simplistic-ignorant irony.
Ghost Rider can lift 5 tonnes, so lifting Kharn won’t be a problem for him.
Also, Thor can survive easily in the Sun with no discomfort, withstanding powerful energy blasts that could destroy planets without a scratch, and can deal great damage to even Galactus using his God Blast.
Thor is seriously underestimated here. In my opinion, he could probably take Kharn alone.
You dont wanna get me mad, You wouldn’t like me when im mad.
*Turns into green Hulk*
“Thor is seriously underestimated here. In my opinion, he could probably take Kharn alone.”
Interesting statement, I cant say I disagree. The only point I’m contesting (and notice how I support Team Marvel) is Kharn’s capacity to grow in power.
I have not doubted Thor’s capabilities for a second.
Let’s put this within the context of real duel, where there’s only one round and all combatants slug it out to determine the victor. None of that regeneration or resurrection stuff. Rather, if that combatant is knocked out, he is out of the match. It’s much easier this way.
What do you think?
than thor can godblast kharn,and smack teh sh!t out of lobo.
Following your request, Kharn and Thor.
And out of those two?
……………………………………………I believe Thor comes out on top.
Mind you, I think its not truly accurate to disregard all the tools at their disposal. This includes all the regen/resurection/growth elements.
Kharne can lift 100tonnes.
Beat tat ghost rider!
No Mata, I’m saying that once the combatant is KOed, he’s out of the fight, which are stuff like Kharn getting resurrected by Khorne everytime. I’m not leaving out their healing factors or their superhuman durability. They can regenerate themselves, but once they get KOed by someone on the opposite team, they are kicked out of the match, for lack of a better term.
Space marine, Kharn can lift 100 tonnes. That’s very strong, you know.
But Thor can lift far in excess of 100 tonnes. The upper limit of his strength is not known.
*Gags TL and puts him in a closet*
But yes,person i dont know up there that said Kharn has the ability to nulify supernatural abilities.
If he didnt he would be split in half by an alpha level pysker.
AND Alpha level Psyker can split titans so i’d say kharns nulifiying abilities are quite limitless.
“No Mata, I’m saying that once the combatant is KOed, he’s out of the fight, which are stuff like Kharn getting resurrected by Khorne everytime. I’m not leaving out their healing factors or their superhuman durability. They can regenerate themselves, but once they get KOed by someone on the opposite team, they are kicked out of the match, for lack of a better term.”
I understood, and stated that in that scenario Thor wins followed by Kharn in close second.
that is hard but thor could always stop time and whail on “Team mayhem” as mata would put it.
Well, with all the regeneration/resurrection stuff, I figured that it would be kind of silly in this scenario.
Thor: “We finally beat them.”
Ghost Rider: “Let’s go for a small celebration.”
They go to a local bar, wasting themselves for a few hours, when suddenly Kharn and Lobo bursts in.
Kharn: “I WILL CRUSH!”
They proceed to slaughter everyone in the bar.
Thor: “Here we go again~~~”
hehehe that scenario made me chuckle.
– – –
I resent that. Kharn would walk in, kindly remind Thor that they were still duelling and that it would be improper to simply to leave it unfinished. He would then tip his waitress, generally be respectful about the whole ordeal, and offer to buy them drinks…
…Then he would produce a Plasma Pistol that incinerates everything in and outside the bar with the first shot, even innocent bystanders merely enjoying a walk would be turned to ash by the mangitude of heat escaping the barrel of his weapon.
THEN it kicks off all over again.
No kharn isnt as strong as the primarchs,But he is a major threat to abbadon.
Now that is scary.
haha…scenario with GR and kharn.
GR picks kharn up and says”Look into my ey-”
Kharne tears half GR head off with gorechild.
Kharne says” Another skull for my collection!”
Anyway, That is kharne Pre-heresy.
it would go on forever
hmm its seems unusualy quiet with kharn gone. yay peace and prosparity and no more destroction…………………. this is kinda boring BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM hole get blown through space and time the universe gets destroyed by the fight……… yet it continues
“it would go on forever
hmm its seems unusualy quiet with kharn gone. yay peace and prosparity and no more destroction…………………. this is kinda boring BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM hole get blown through space and time the universe gets destroyed by the fight……… yet it continues”
Its like he is trying to form a coherent paragraph. If you squint, you can even see an actual subject.
It does take a considerable amount of squinting, though.
Felt like dropping a line here.
Thats it, move along.
gost rider wins
Now this thing is old. But each and every time I look in the archives it gives me the urge to join that discussion, so i’ll drop in a few lines and hope this thing starts up again.
Does Thor have the Odinforce? I think i’ve read something about him not having it in his latest appearances, so he might well be without it. I think that takes away a lot of his damage potential and seriously compromises him against these two. With it he can do some very nasty stuff however.
“GR can’t be killed by just mere physical crafts”
Now, Gorechild isn’t as much of a physical weapon as it is a friggin monster in a different form. The thing can cut anything it has seen until now (that includes force fields, adamantium, magic, daemons, in one instance hard air and the blade of a Fractal Edge weapon, or Phase weapon. This is another weapon that cut whatever it touches.) is powered by a daemon, is nigh on indestructible and it rips out your soul and makes Khorne eat you if it hits home. Scary stuff. If Ghost Riders fighting ability has any kind of dependance of the human host, he’ll be finished by one hit. If the soul and body of the human host has nothing to say at all, it might still place the essence of the Rider in the same position. Now, he might be more trouble to eat than a random soul, but there is no way the Rider has a chance against Khorne himself inside the Warp. Could very well deal some extensive damage.
“Kharne is not as strong as the PRIMARCHS”
By himself, no. He is a very strong Space Marine, but is nowhere near that level. But, the fact that he can power up, and that he will most likely just get stronger if it’s a fight Khorne might like, he might very well gain more power than that. Being the favorite mortal champion of the Blood God has it’s advantages. I think the very sight of Ghost Rider will make Khorne piss himself in joy, and that is some power into the champion.
“Hmmmm, In the movie,He can be tossed around relativly easily as ive seen it the raw strength of Kharn could and just might be able to decapitate ghost rider.”
When i see people debating comic book characters power level based on films I wanna seriously wreck said person. That is HERESY. It’s like debating the strenght of a lion based on how easy it is to kill with a bullet to the head. And I mean it, when such characters star in movies it is indeed like someone shot them in the head with a truck full of nerfbats. Not good.
“I wonder what would happen when the Blood Champion receives a Hellfire imbued Mjolnir to the chest cavity?”
Hellfire is magic, so that doesn’t mean a thing. But how fast can Thor bring Mjollnir to Kharns chest? If Kharn can put Gorechild in the way, we have two rather epic things smashing together. HARD. The blast should get pretty big in any case, if only for the force applied alone.
“As I have mentioned in the past, Kharn has the ability to nullify supernatural attacks. I somehow don’t think there is enough juice to switch off either of the members in the Marvel team. Their power on this fight will simply be too great, though Kharns own power from the furious combat would surely grow as well. Ill leave this point open for debate.”
I don’t think it works quite that way. See the Thor & Rand’Al Thor vs Kharn & Dr. Doom thread for my take on this. Hard point to debate over anyway, I guess.
Oh, are Asgardians souless or not? Soul equals a hard time dealing with Gorechild, no soul might will get epic when he and Kharn clash.
I’m thinking Ghost Rider is the last man standing in this match-up. Unlike Superman who can probably be hurt by Thor’s divine powers, Lobo shouldn’t be able to die from it and could take the Asgardian fairly well on his own. He does have reactions suitable to go against Supes, strength to go blow for blow and the immortality thing going for him. Thor’s really powerful, I understand that but I think Lobo can outlast him in the fight here.
Kharn does from a single hit from Thor or is possibly obliterated by Hellfire if his blessing doesn’t counteract that. I’m thinking he’s the weakest link here….
Ghost Rider should be able to take out Lobo with Hellfire since the Stare may not affect him due to his madness but has Ghost Rider ever hit an opponent with FTL reactions before? Barring that weakness of Ghostie’s, the main man really can’t kill the Rider without a weapon of heaven so that leaves them deadlocked.
Overall, I think Ghost Rider can be the one to win this. Otherwise, it’s a stalemate.
Kharn vs GR I think would go to kharn, because GR is just throwing fire at Kharne and doesn’t kharn have that anti mystical thing going on. so it won’t be hellfire but just fire fire.
Kharne vs Thor: Bha…..bahahaha…..bahahhahahahah moving on
Lobo vs GR, well given Lobos massive advantage in almost all aspects I think he takes it, and if amped by kharnes anti magic aura then hellfire wouldn’t effect him either
“Kharn vs GR I think would go to kharn, because GR is just throwing fire at Kharne and doesn’t kharn have that anti mystical thing going on. so it won’t be hellfire but just fire fire.”
GR has taken hits from World War Hulk and his chain can go throught damn near anything. I don’t think Kharn can hurt him…
Kharn’s defense is not fool proof. It can and does fail.
That having been said I think Ghost Rider’s special stare of making the victim suffer for his sins would utterly obliterate Kharne.. and probably Lobo too.
This is really Lobo vs Thor & Ghost Rider. Kharn is a non issue in this match.
Plus in Ghost Rider vs Kharn I believe it was agreed that GR would be able to overcome the blessing of Khorne due to his power. If I remember right, it’s been a while since I read that thread.
and there’s the fact that currently his blessing has a chance to not block magic.
reread and found out what it was.
Blaze is like a tap for the power of the most powerful spirit of vengeance, the greater the evil nature of the threat the more power of the spirit is unleashed, the more innocents they have harmed likely being the biggest trigger.
Kharn is the champion of a Chaos god of war and bloodlust who’s slaughtered untold millions for thousands of years.
Lobo is an amoral bounty hunter who wiped out his own species and has likely killed plenty of innocents though I don’t know for sure.
Ghost Rider has defeated Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange. I think he can take Kharn.
GR has taken hits from World War Hulk and his chain can go throught damn near anything. I don’t think Kharn can hurt him…
Pretty sure that would have to be backed up
Kharn’s defense is not fool proof. It can and does fail.
How much does it fail?
Also with the stare, wouldn’t you have to get to him then look into his eyes and Kharne, idk him like that, but I doubt he would just stare it him like that.
Plus in Ghost Rider vs Kharn I believe it was agreed that GR would be able to overcome the blessing of Khorne due to his power.
How might that be?
Ghost Rider has defeated Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange. I think he can take Kharn
So has Dracula but im pretty sure kharne would take him to school
see my second post I went to the thread and found the reason they believed, it’s because his power is as great as needed to deal with the threat, with Blaze just being a filter normally so only what is required will come through.
as to vs WWHulk there you go
So that’s why his fire could beat the resistance, makes sense
and I wasn’t talking about the fight part, WWH fought pretty much everyone so I know he fought GR I was talking about the chain going through “Damn Near Anything”
yeah, really though Kharn probably just gets blown to hell in the first few minutes while Lobo and Thor clash.
Can’t speak to the chain cutting through anything, though he can channel hellfire into it so the hellfire might be able to cut anything.
As to getting the Penance Stare to work like you were asking earlier, Kharn does prefer cqc from what I recall shouldn’t be too hard to restrain him long enough to get a stare going.
Yea that’s one “power” I never understood, how do you fall to that? Just don’t look lol
But yea I tried to make kharne relevant but I guess he isn’t really
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