Galactic Empire Vs Spiderman

Spiderman Vs Galactic Empire

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Spiderman vs the Empire

In the depths of space, on a cold planet known as Hoth, the Rebel’s (Star Wars) hiding there suddenly disappear and a lone person (Spiderman from Marvel) is placed there instead.

The Empire doesn’t know this and proceeds with the same amount of force intended to wipe out the Rebels in Episode V.

How long does Spiderman last?

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83 Comments on "Galactic Empire Vs Spiderman"

  1. Friendlysociopath December 3, 2015 at 12:19 am -      #1

    Well, without the Rebels the Empire would kind of just pick up and leave; so I guess Spiderman would outlast the entire assault.

    Not to mention he’d probably just board one of the vehicles and hide somewhere until they left- if there’s no one on Hoth he has no reason to stick around. He’ll find out more being among people than alone on a godforsaken ball of ice.

  2. Alpha or Omega December 3, 2015 at 1:16 am -      #2

    Extreme prejudice much?
    /
    This match isn’t gonna slide on ice.

  3. Shgon Dunstan December 3, 2015 at 1:20 am -      #3

    … I don’t get it.

    Aside from there being no reason to fight, all the GE forces are kind of pointless if they never actually see him coming.

    An AT-AT isn’t ment to be used on a lone human. Much less one with his powers. They likely will never even get to fire a shot, but haven’t a chance in hell of hitting him regardless. That goes for the AT-ST as well.

    Stormtroopers? That’s hilarious.

    The only real “fight” here is if he and Vader manage to cross paths.

  4. Monochrome December 3, 2015 at 1:49 am -      #4

    @Shgon Dunstan
    Does Vader even come to the battle of Hoth? Because if not than I smell a rather silly one sided match in the Web-Slinger’s corner.

  5. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 3, 2015 at 1:54 am -      #5

    Spidey hides out and survives it all.
    =
    Isn’t Myrm the guy who got mad at Jake, Nsl, and I for saying Spidey is stronger and faster than Marvel’s stats had him at? Cus if so, lol.

  6. Ninja Lowk December 3, 2015 at 2:28 am -      #6

    Spiderman is like john McClain mixed with macguyver with the intelligence to make modern scientists hearts skip.
    And he now has access to advanced technology?
    He’ll have a spider-speeder by the end of a week.

  7. Monochrome December 3, 2015 at 2:59 am -      #7

    Now I can use this with no hard feelings i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/345/629/cb3.jpg

  8. Darth Bombad December 3, 2015 at 4:52 am -      #8

    The OP says that they “proceeds with the same amount of force intended to wipe out the Rebels in Episode V.”

    So i guess they storm Echo Base (even though no ones there) and Spidey stomps
    the Stormtroopers. Then this becomes a Spider-Man vs Darth Vader thread.

  9. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 5:06 am -      #9

    That Spidey picture is funny.

    And yeah, Peter blitzes every storm trooper with no sweat and then takes out the walkers with his webs.

    Spider-Man vs Vader?

    @Mono
    Does Vader even come to the battle of Hoth?

    www.dailymotion.com/video/xzblik_darth-vader-enters-hoth-base_music

  10. Ninja Lowk December 3, 2015 at 5:26 am -      #10

    Of course Spider-Man is nerd enough for star wars
    www.starwars-references.fr/images/upload/spider-man_1368143609.jpg

    simplymarvel.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/the-amazing-spider-man-684-hunting-down-sandman.jpg

    I think he’d know enough about Vader to try and stay out of his way. Or at least arrange some kind of trap.

  11. LadyRamkin December 3, 2015 at 7:09 am -      #11

    Is this supposed to be a Spider-man spite match??

    It seems like its supposed to be…. but he kinda wrecks here.

    If all of the rebel forces are just gone, is luke’s light saber still hanging around??

  12. Shadow-Knight December 3, 2015 at 9:01 am -      #12

    Kind of weird question but…..how insulated is that skin tight suit he wears?…..because….you know….hoth.
    ————–
    Second : is this old eu vader? Or current cannon vader? Because current cannon doesn’t fuck around…..straight up snaps peoples heads 360 degrees, solos a battalion of rebels who are literally circled around him, can kill/choke people in orbit with the force while standing on the ground with no line of sight.

  13. Shadow-Knight December 3, 2015 at 9:28 am -      #13

    Pulled this from the wiki
    ————-
    ” The average planetary temperature was around-61ºC; however at Echo Base, locatednearthe planet’sequatorin the northern hemisphere, daytime temperaturescould reach-32ºC; however night-time temperaturesgotaslow as -60ºC.”
    —————
    I ask again, how insulated is Spidermans suit…..because Hoth is really…..really…..cold.

  14. Mea quidem sententia December 3, 2015 at 10:52 am -      #14

    Spider-Man freezes to death, is covered in ice, and mistaken for a solid mass of ice by the Galactic Empire.

  15. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 10:55 am -      #15

    Kind of weird question but…..how insulated is that skin tight suit he wears?…..because….you know….hoth.

    It’s not skin tight anymore, currently it’s bulletproof armor. And the match description doesn’t say anything about the Rebel’s equipment disappearing, so Peter could just take some clothes or something.

    Or current cannon vader?

    FP goes with current incarnation unless otherwise stated.

    Because current cannon doesn’t fuck around…..straight up snaps peoples heads 360 degrees, solos a battalion of rebels who are literally circled around him, can kill/choke people in orbit with the force while standing on the ground with no line of sight.

    That’s all great and all, but Vader doesn’t do that on Hoth. In the movie he just walks in all scary like behind a bunch of storm troopers. And Spidey already has prior knowledge of Star Wars and could prolly set up a trap or something.

    Plus, wouldn’t he have to know that Spidey is even there to begin with to start choking/neck snapping from afar? Remember, the Empire doesn’t know it’s only Peter in the base.

  16. Shadow-Knight December 3, 2015 at 12:47 pm -      #16

    “That’s all great and all, but Vader doesn’t do that on Hoth. In the movie he just walks in all scary like behind a bunch of storm troopers. And Spidey already has prior knowledge of Star Wars and could prolly set up a trap or something.”

    ————–

    So, because Vader doesn’t fight in the movie means he will just stand there and let Spiderman beat on him? Besides, since they don’t know he is there chances are they will only send in a handful of troops into the base because why would you rush in blindly to a base that is empty. Probes first, then scouts.

  17. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #17

    Besides, since they don’t know he is there chances are they will only send in a handful of troops into the base because why would you rush in blindly to a base that is empty. Probes first, then scouts.

    Have you actually watched the movie? Because that’s not what happens at all.
    I quote the match description:
    The Empire doesn’t know this and proceeds with the same amount of force intended to wipe out the Rebels in Episode V.

    ^That means the giant moose things kill the shield generator. Once that is done, Darth Vader and his squad enter the base. At this point, if Spider-Man is smart (which he is), this is where he lays his trap.

    So, because Vader doesn’t fight in the movie means he will just stand there and let Spiderman beat on him?

    Vader might as well be standing still while fighting Spidey. The guy has casually blitzed bullet timers before, and I don’t think Vader has anything close to bullet timing in new canon.

  18. Friendlysociopath December 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm -      #18

    So, because Vader doesn’t fight in the movie means he will just stand there and let Spiderman beat on him?

    He didn’t say that, he just pointed out in the movie when Vader was very specifically going into that base to find someone Vader wasn’t massacring people but was walking in behind stormtroopers.
    Vader is even less interested in Spiderman because he’s not getting his “There’s a Force-User in here” vibe going off.

    That said, those scans kind of confirm Spiderman is just going to sneak on board a ship or take a Stormtrooper’s outfit and get away from Hoth like that.

  19. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 2:42 pm -      #19

    Spider-Man freezes to death, is covered in ice, and mistaken for a solid mass of ice by the Galactic Empire.

    He starts in the base and Han was wearing nothing but a cool looking jacket, a shirt and pants:
    thestarwarstrilogy.com/StarWars/wallpaper/Original-Trilogy-Han-Solo/Original%20Trilogy%20-%20Han%20Solo%2006.jpg

    I don’t think Peter will freeze.

  20. LadyRamkin December 3, 2015 at 2:43 pm -      #20

    “That means the giant moose things kill the shield generator”

    ………….
    Giant moose things???
    I am ever so slightly ashamed of you right now

  21. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm -      #21

    Is there any real reason why Spidey would fight everyone just for the sake of fighting everyone? He’s trying to survive for as long as possible, and chances are he’d probably be better off surviving by just hiding it out as opposed to going Rambo and taking everyone out. Do we have exact numbers on how many snowtroopers were on Hoth anyways?
    =
    Giant Moose things blow up the generator, realize the base is empty, no force presence means Vader won’t really care about one lone living being(assuming he’s detected some how), Empire packs up and leaves, all the while Spidey is hiding in plain site.

  22. Shadow-Knight December 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #22

    @NSL

    Sorry I was a bit snippy earlier, I’m not a morning person and was woken up WAY to early (I work mostly nights so I tend to sleep past noon on most days, commenting on her and other places between bouts of sleep)

    . Now that I’m thinking clearly and can actually process what you were getting at I understand how my replay came off a bit…..assholeish. So sorry for acting like a dick earlier…..we cool man?

  23. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm -      #23

    @SK
    Sure. I’m not much for mornings either, so I understand. And it’s fine, no worries :)

    @Ramkin
    Google “giant moose robot star wars” and I guarantee the AT whatever will pop up on page 1

  24. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 3, 2015 at 3:44 pm -      #24

    “Google “giant moose robot star wars” and I guarantee the AT whatever will pop up on page 1”

    images.lmgtfy.com/?q=giant+moose+robot+star+wars#

    I only count 8.5 :/

  25. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm -      #25

    Oh, you went on images? I did web search and one of the first links is a wiki page about the AT-AT.

    And hey, it technically still is on page 1 for images…

  26. Ninja Lowk December 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm -      #26

    “and I don’t think Vader has anything close to bullet timing in new canon.”

    Blocking blasters at near point-blank ranges, even with some of the low end blaster speed, might actually just barely put him somewhere in that range.
    ===
    “Giant moose things???
    I am ever so slightly ashamed of you right now”

    I know right. They’re clearly giant robo camels.

  27. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 3, 2015 at 4:16 pm -      #27

    I got more ATAT related material with camel than I did with moose lol.

  28. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm -      #28

    Blocking blasters at near point-blank ranges, even with some of the low end blaster speed, might actually just barely put him somewhere in that range.

    So he still gets blitzed then, just not as badly.

    I got more ATAT related material with camel than I did with moose lol.

    Same lol.

    Does this backfired spite qualify as stomp? I can’t really think of a way for Vader and co. to succeed….unless Vader somehow senses Spidey as a threat and chokes him from afar.

  29. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 3, 2015 at 5:27 pm -      #29

    “Does this backfired spite qualify as stomp?”

    I’d say no, just because had this been made a vs instead of a just survive match the Empire has more than the means to turn Spidey into atoms. I just don’t see any reason as to why the Empire would attack Spidey, and while Spidey isn’t a stranger to having the odds stacked against him(looking at you Phoenix 5)he doesn’t have any reason to engage them. Literally, just wait this out and Spidey would win without anything happening.
    =
    @Nsl This is the same guy who got mad at us for saying that Spidey could beat Kharn because he’s stronger than what Marvel’s stats had him at, right?

  30. Friendlysociopath December 3, 2015 at 5:51 pm -      #30

    Does this backfired spite qualify as stomp?

    Not really a stomp, it’s not like Spidey is going to solo the Empire’s army. He’s just not going to fight more than like 3 at the most before he hides/impersonates his way to victory.

  31. Ninja Lowk December 3, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #31

    “Literally, just wait this out and Spidey would win without anything happening.”

    Steal a ship, board a star destroyer, take over said destroyer; Get the heck outta Hoth in the brand new spider destroyer.

  32. LadyRamkin December 3, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #32

    “giant moose things”
    “I know right. They’re clearly giant robo camels.”
    “I got more ATAT related material with camel than I did with moose”

    This is why i love this site. You guys are the best.

  33. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 3, 2015 at 6:30 pm -      #33

    “You guys are the best.”

    45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzi52r9DPC1qbvovho1_500.gif

  34. Mea quidem sententia December 3, 2015 at 6:36 pm -      #34

    The problem with Marvel.com is that it’s not updated. I checked not long ago for Iron Man’s new armor and they didn’t have that information. They’re still on the whole thing involving Mr. Hammer.

    At least they have what fans think as far as power grids go.

  35. Darth Bombad December 3, 2015 at 6:45 pm -      #35

    ““giant moose things”
    “I know right. They’re clearly giant robo camels.””


    I always just called them dog walkers… aaaand this is what you get if you google
    “Star Wars Dog Walkers” hypekids.net/files/2011/10/Star_Wars_Dog_ATAT_Walker.jpg

  36. OriginalA December 3, 2015 at 6:56 pm -      #36

    Vader doesn’t sense Luke is on the planet so he never goes down there. Ground forces notice zero activity from the Rebels so they go in slow. ATAT’s take out the shield generators and then retreat because of zero resistance. Star Destroyers proceed with orbital bombardment. Echo Base is now destroyed and Spiderman has to live in a freezing temperature area. He lasts till nightfall at best.

  37. Nsl98 December 3, 2015 at 8:11 pm -      #37

    @Nsl This is the same guy who got mad at us for saying that Spidey could beat Kharn because he’s stronger than what Marvel’s stats had him at, right?

    Yeah. He did it with Venom too.

    Get the heck outta Hoth in the brand new spider destroyer.

    Then he lives as a space hermit:
    media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/30/c2/72/30c272aff8b905d55327841bdb11724c.jpg

  38. Friendlysociopath December 3, 2015 at 8:41 pm -      #38

    Star Destroyers proceed with orbital bombardment.

    Just for the hell of it? Honestly if they get exactly zero resistance we know full well what’s going to happen- Vader is going to kill someone and they’re going to go tearing off to look for the Rebels.
    Probably with a little Spider hiding in the back.

    He lasts till nightfall at best.

    (Frowns and thinks of what armies have on bases)
    He’s got access to food, water, warm clothing, and tech to make heat- he’s probably able to last quite some time.
    During that time, he finds one of the various spacechips around the base and figures out how to fly them- along with maps, coms, and everything else he needs to get somewhere useful.

    And then Spiderman was set free in the Star Wars universe- probably going to become the first Spider-Jedi in all of EU lore.
    Honestly- since this is a spite match, would anyone else be interested in turning it into a “What If” where Spiderman replaces Luke for the movies?

    Ground forces notice zero activity from the Rebels so they go in slow.

    This IS the Empire we’re talking about, in particular an army of Stormtroopers, they exist purely to make mistakes like walking into an empty enemy base and giving Spiderman the means to escape.

  39. Alpha or Omega December 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm -      #39

    @Hijacking a Space Ship
    So, does Spider-man know how to pilot a TIE fighter or an Imperial Shuttle?
    Not to mention, efficiently enough to avoid getting shot by other pilots?
    /
    Might be a slight problem for Spider-man early on, they may speak a similar language, but Spider-man won’t be able to read what the language the Star Wars universe uses. It will cause problems for hijacking a TIE or Imperial Shuttle.

  40. Friendlysociopath December 3, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #40

    @Hijacking a Space Ship

    Pretty sure that’s me.

    So, does Spider-man know how to pilot a TIE fighter or an Imperial Shuttle?

    Any reason he shouldn’t be able to figure it out? The man’s a genius on the level of Tony Stark and Mr. Fantastic, I’m fairly sure he can figure out flight controls for a glorified plane if he takes one. Sci-Fi love for buttons non-withstanding, we see the pilots still use joysticks to fly the things.

    Not to mention, efficiently enough to avoid getting shot by other pilots?

    Who’s going to shoot him?
    Most likely scenario is he sneaks aboard a ship disguised as a stormtrooper or simply sneaks on as himself, (Nobody looks up, ever) neither of these scenarios immediately opens up any “shoot him” possibilities.
    If for some reason he does not sneak away with the Empire, the Empire is going to be gone because they have better things to do than hang around a planet that they have confirmed is empty- allowing Spidey to learn to fly a Rebel ship at his leisure.

    And if they do decide to shoot at him-
    (laughter ensues)
    Stormtroopers trying to shoot something 😆

  41. Ninja Lowk December 3, 2015 at 10:18 pm -      #41

    “Might be a slight problem for Spider-man early on, they may speak a similar language, but Spider-man won’t be able to read what the language the Star Wars universe uses. It will cause problems for hijacking a TIE or Imperial Shuttle.”

    Would he need to if he was working off the hardware directly rather then the software?
    Or acting as a stowaway? He can be stealthy when he needs to be.

  42. Alpha or Omega December 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm -      #42

    @Friendly
    “Pretty sure that’s me.”
    /
    And Lowk and Nsl98
    /
    “Any reason he shouldn’t be able to figure it out?”
    /
    Because, aside from the fact that he was a terrible driver and needed driving lessons, he has never flown a space ship or plane ever.
    /
    The man’s a genius on the level of Tony Stark and Mr. Fantastic,”
    /
    I sometimes wonder why Marvel said he was on the level of Tony Stark, let alone Mister Fantastic.
    Spiderman has never built a dyson sphere or a suit/weapon that can divide the Phoenix Force like Tony Stark did.
    Reed Richards has also built cosmic cubes and built crazy tech shenanigans that only Doctor Doom can sometimes do.
    /
    “I’m fairly sure he can figure out flight controls for a glorified plane if he takes one. Sci-Fi love for buttons non-withstanding, we see the pilots still use joysticks to fly the things.”
    /
    Great, he sees the joystick.
    How does he start the TIE fighter’s engines or get it up in the air?
    How is he going to fly it efficiently.
    /
    “Who’s going to shoot him?
    Most likely scenario is he sneaks aboard a ship disguised as a stormtrooper or simply sneaks on as himself, (Nobody looks up, ever) neither of these scenarios immediately opens up any “shoot him” possibilities.”
    /
    The pilots.
    If Spiderman can’t look normal flying up, he’s going to raise suspicion.
    Which is why I said pilots.
    He’s going to be questioned.
    /
    “If for some reason he does not sneak away with the Empire, the Empire is going to be gone because they have better things to do than hang around a planet that they have confirmed is empty- allowing Spidey to learn to fly a Rebel ship at his leisure.”
    /
    Might take years for Spidey to do so.
    /
    “And if they do decide to shoot at him-
    (laughter ensues)
    Stormtroopers trying to shoot something”
    /
    I’m sorry. Are we talking pilots missing on ground engagements or air/space dog fighting?

  43. Alpha or Omega December 3, 2015 at 10:33 pm -      #43

    @Lowk
    “Would he need to if he was working off the hardware directly rather then the software?”
    /
    Eh, guess not.
    How long does it take for him without the help of his company?
    /
    “Or acting as a stowaway? He can be stealthy when he needs to be.”
    /
    He needs to be acting good as a pilot first before being stealthy.
    TIE fighters aren’t stealthy. There isn’t stealth version of a TIE fighter yet.

  44. OriginalA December 3, 2015 at 11:01 pm -      #44

    “Just for the hell of it? Honestly if they get exactly zero resistance we know full well what’s going to happen- Vader is going to kill someone and they’re going to go tearing off to look for the Rebels.”

    Not for the hell of it, because it was a Rebel Base. Vader isn’t going to kill anyone, because the one person possibly responsible for the situation (as far as Vader knows) is already dead because Vader already killed him (the guy who jumped too close into the system thereby tipping the Rebels off to the Empire closing in on them). Pretty much everybody did not want to check out Hoth because of lack of evidence of the Rebels being there; Vader is the one that insisted that the fleet check out Hoth. They are there because Vader orders it. There are two people that can be blamed for no Rebels being at Hoth; the guy that Vader blamed/killed for altering the Rebels to the Imperial presence in the Hoth System, and Vader himself. One of them is already dead.

    On top of that, there should still be enough material equipment (ships, supplies, the Ion Cannon, ect) to warrant bombarding the place into slag even if there are no Rebels there.

    “(Frowns and thinks of what armies have on bases)”

    Made irrelevant because the orbital bombardment is going to render all of that unusable. There isn’t going to be a base left for him to survive inside long before nightfall arrives. Much less usable starships.

    “This IS the Empire we’re talking about, in particular an army of Stormtroopers, they exist purely to make mistakes like walking into an empty enemy base and giving Spiderman the means to escape.”

    You know what, you’re right. The Orbital Bombardment will start before the Stormtroopers fully evacuate the area because they are a dime a dozen. Only the 501st will be completely evacuated before the turbolasers being blasting Echo Base into dust… which will happen to be long enough for Spiderman to appear and make himself known to “someone” to be attacking the Imperial ground forces, and if Spiderman actually succeeds in holding his own against the ground forces, the Imperials are only more justified in obliterating Echo Base from orbit.

    Why are people talking about TIE fighters? There are no TIE fighters in the assault on Hoth. The energy field prevented the Imperials from using them; that’s why AT-ATs were deployed in the first place. Spiderman’s only course for survive is going to be either use a Rebel starship (which will get him shot to death from Star Destroyers), hide in Echo Base (which will get him shot to death from Star Destroyers), or stowaway on a returning Imperial drop ship (AT-ATs had to get on the ground somehow). So that means Spiderman has to board an AT-AT (in order to survive Hoth’s environment long enough to get to the Imperial LZ which he will not know where it is either so the crew must be alive). At that point he’s going to be a stowaway on a Star Destroyer, which is going on a prolonged mission as part of Vader’s fleet for who knows how long. And who knows when it will be before that Star Destroyer actually sends out a shuttle to land somewhere; the best bet would be at Cloud City, except them going to Cloud City is dependent on them chasing the Falcon there, which will no longer be piloted by Han so that’s still on Hoth. And if he raises too much of a ruckus on the Star Destroyer then Vader might just order his fleet to destroyer the entire ship.

    “There isn’t stealth version of a TIE fighter yet.”

    Nit pick, but that is not true in the old EU. The TIE Phantom was a thing in Rebel Assault 2; it was a TIE with a cloaking device, deployed from a Super Star Destroyer that also had a cloaking device. But that is Legends EU; not Disney EU. Fun game though. I should pick that up on GOG.com some time. I’m a sucker for old Star Wars games.

  45. Ninja Lowk December 3, 2015 at 11:12 pm -      #45

    “He needs to be acting good as a pilot first before being stealthy.
    TIE fighters aren’t stealthy. There isn’t stealth version of a TIE fighter yet.”

    I meant stowaway on the shuttles.

  46. Alpha or Omega December 3, 2015 at 11:20 pm -      #46

    @OriginalA
    “Why are people talking about TIE fighters? There are no TIE fighters in the assault on Hoth. The energy field prevented the Imperials from using them; that’s why AT-ATs were deployed in the first place.”
    /
    Oh yeah, I forgot about the shields.
    Still, I felt like it was important to mention that Spiderman has never piloted a starship since it was suggested that Spiderman will hijack a ship.
    /
    “Nit pick, but that is not true in the old EU.”
    /
    Well, I was focusing on the Disney EU since people are talking about it.
    /
    “The TIE Phantom was a thing in Rebel Assault 2; it was a TIE with a cloaking device, deployed from a Super Star Destroyer that also had a cloaking device. But that is Legends EU; not Disney EU. Fun game though.”
    /
    Did you also play any games from the X-Wing series by chance?
    /
    @Lowk
    “I meant stowaway on the shuttles.”
    /
    OriginalA brought up the shield generators; that leaves him with rebel ships.

  47. Darth Bombad December 3, 2015 at 11:53 pm -      #47

    @Alpha or Omega
    “If Spiderman can’t look normal flying up, he’s going to raise suspicion.”
    So your saying he should keep his distance but don’t look like
    he’s trying to keep his distance, just i don’t know fly casual?.

  48. Alpha or Omega December 4, 2015 at 12:12 am -      #48

    @Darth Bombad
    “So your saying he should keep his distance but don’t look like
    he’s trying to keep his distance, just i don’t know fly casual?.”
    /
    Yeah, fly casually.
    I’m not saying he should keep his distance, but if he’s going to board a Star Destroyer which some people mentioned, he’s going to have to fly like a normal pilot. Look like he’s in control.
    /
    Any passing ships would be suspicious of the TIE Spider-man flies if it goes in a weird flight pattern or it seems like the pilot can’t steer properly.
    /
    This is assuming Spider-man doesn’t crash the TIE as soon as he gets it.
    Remember his first use of a car?
    Several times, he almost ran into people and would’ve crashed into a wall if it wasn’t the Spider-mobile.
    Same case for the TIE fighter.
    /
    Granted, this post is moot since the energy field prevented the use of TIEs.
    The only ships he can use are the ones the Rebels left behind.

  49. Friendlysociopath December 4, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #49

    Vader is the one that insisted that the fleet check out Hoth.

    Remember the little probe they sent that Han and Chewie blew up? The one that spotted Rebels and made the Empire go “Oh, there they are!”
    That’s another reason- so either:
    A) This is before said drone
    B) This is after said drone

    Before means the drone drops and finds nothing. Empire never bothers to go to Hoth because Vader doesn’t have his Force-Feelings and the drone comes up empty. Orbital bombardment doesn’t happen because they never even get into orbit.
    After means they’re going there and going into the bunker to look for Rebels- because the OP stated they’re going forwards with the same force they would’ve used on the Rebels- that means Stormtroopers and giant robot camels on the ground and going into the base to look for stuff.
    (I suspect the second scenario is what he wanted anyways, let’s be honest, it’s more likely)

    The first scenario allows Spiderman to survive the assault by virtue of the assault never happening.
    The second scenario allows Spiderman to take down a single soldier and take his uniform to hide among the Empire forces and leaving the planet, again, surviving the assault.

    Since Spiderman carries no Force signature, and he means no particular ill-will towards Vader, Vader’s “Danger” sense won’t go off and he’d never suspect a thing.
    And we already know impersonating a Stormtrooper is easy since it happens fairly often- especially since Spiderman appears to be familiar with the universe in question.

    All he has to do is get onto a Empire ship that leaves the ground, soon as that happens he’s “survived” the assault on Hoth.

  50. Myrmidon December 4, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #50

    Why are people saying it is a survival match? This is clearly the might of the Empire versus a man in tights. They will be fighting, otherwise this match is pointless.
    =
    Moving on, I’d like to see how Spiderman handles the legion who singlehandedly slaughtered most of the Jedi order.
    Uninformed person: “Myrmidon, why is this relevant?”
    =
    It is relevant because the Jedi, despite their physical superiority and precognition, were taken down. Spiderman will be no different. He will get so much laser pumped into him, Aayla Secura would blush at the sheer magnitude.
    =
    This isn’t even getting to the AT-AT’s, which Spiderman has no hopes of bringing down. One shot from them and he will be dead. Or crushed beneath their feet.
    =
    Now if….IF Spiderman somehow makes it past the bombardment of death, he still has to deal with Vader, who could just choke him. And to those who said Spiderman could “blitz” Vader, just no. He’s not blitzing someone with relativistic reactions.
    =
    Now I’ll just sit back and wait for the inevitable Spiderfanboys’ responses. Including, but not limited to:
    “Spiderman is too fast hur dur”
    “Lol spider-sense nyuk nyuk”
    “Spiderman is to strong despite the fact that Marvel has stated he is much weaker”

  51. AbsoluteZero December 4, 2015 at 12:43 am -      #51

    “Moving on, I’d like to see how Spiderman handles the legion who singlehandedly slaughtered most of the Jedi order.”

    You mean the guys who generally worked for the Jedi, who suddenly turned on them after years of having developed a trusting work relationship with them after being given an Order 66? Those guys? Those guys who lack any of that in regards to Spiderman, and have their odds of managing any surprise or shock tactics near nil as a result?

    Those guys?

  52. Darth Bombad December 4, 2015 at 1:03 am -      #52

    “the legion who singlehandedly slaughtered most of the Jedi order.”

    Is this EU? because it would have to be EU for clones to still be in the 501st.
    Otherwise the Stormies are sub par in comparison to their Clone War counterparts.

  53. Friendlysociopath December 4, 2015 at 1:04 am -      #53

    “Spiderman is too fast hur dur”

    For slow-ass bolts to hit? Yes- you remember one of his staple villains is a guy who throws around lightning?

    “Lol spider-sense nyuk nyuk”

    This is not English and I demand a translation

    “Spiderman is to strong despite the fact that Marvel has stated he is much weaker”

    Translation- I cannot refute the feats and therefor will insist they do not count; despite originating from the same company who gave the previous limits and in many cases blatantly surpassing them.

    despite their physical superiority and precognition

    😆
    What Jedi is physically superior to Spiderman? Even going by your insistence that we stick to his “official” Marvel stats? This I have to see.

  54. OriginalA December 4, 2015 at 1:16 am -      #54

    “Well, I was focusing on the Disney EU since people are talking about it.”

    And that makes sense since the Legends EU is pretty much discarded and discontinued at this point. But I just like to nit pick and derail with odd tid bits of information… also I know that the TIE Defender might be getting recanonized thanks to a mobile game and I had confused the Defender with the Phantom, but I looked it up before I made an erroneous claim there but kept the initial off shoot of the thought about the Legends TIE Phantom.

    “Did you also play any games from the X-Wing series by chance?”

    I put god knows how many hours on X-Wing vs Tie Fighter. Years later I’d play the hell out of the arcadish successor series, Rouge Squandron (loved all three of the games.) And while the X-Wing/TIE Fighter game series is already being brought up, showing some love to it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

    “Remember the little probe they sent that Han and Chewie blew up? The one that spotted Rebels and made the Empire go “Oh, there they are!””

    You mean this scene? www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjWxTbVI0cw
    The scene where the crew are debating the the likelihood of Hoth actually having the Rebels… Which they continue to debate until Vader overrides everyone’s arguments and just orders them to got to Hoth… Like I said he did? Yeah, I recall that scene.

    “A) This is before said drone
    B) This is after said drone”

    If A, Spiderman dies because How do I hyperspace?
    If B, I’ve already said what happens. Vader never goes down there because he cannot sense Luke, and it eventually ends up with Orbital Bombardment. Or eventually is discovered on a Star Destroyer, which is eventually purged.

    “Moving on, I’d like to see how Spiderman handles the legion who singlehandedly slaughtered most of the Jedi order.”

    I was going to point out how most of the Jedi were murdered by a preemtive strike, and that Jedi combat precog generally works best for predictable or expected attacks, and how sudden attacks from blind spots can catch them off guard…. then I remembered that the 501st was at Hoth, and the 501st attacked the Temple, which means that the 501st launched the most predictable assault on the Jedi, fought through probably the largest concentration of the Jedi in a single spot (although many of them being extreme low-end jedi instead of people like Obi-Wan who are top-tier jedi), and the 501st actually succeeded in their attack… damn the 501st is scary! I hope the Rebels show shows us what Rex was up to during Order 66; he’s been evasive about it thus far.

    “He’s not blitzing someone with relativistic reactions.”

    You know, there are two sides of this line of thought. Either Spiderman gets the jump on Vader and goes for an instant kill (out of character but okay whatever), and kills Vader… now wherever Spiderman is he has just proven himself to be an extreme threat and the most valuable person there has just died… the fleet is not justifiable in bombarding that spot into oblivion (this is true for Spiderman fighting Vader in Echo Base or on the Executor). Or, Spiderman doesn’t go for the instant kill, and Vader very much so has the chance for Force Choke Spiderman, and Vader has been known to just kill people instantly with that when he desires someone dead on the spot without the intent of making a spectical of it (a lot of Vader’s Force Chokes are just as much punishment for the victim as well as a promise for others. Playing up the scene by slowly killing them makes it more frightening; if he just snapped their necks instantly there is the possibility that others would not catch the implication and fear Vader as much as they do).

    I do think Spiderman could bring down one ATAT though, much like how Luke did. … I also wouldn’t be surprised that if Spiderman did that twice, then the other ATATs would just obliterate whatever ATAT Spiderman was currently attacking and accept the friendly fire as collateral damage.

  55. Alpha or Omega December 4, 2015 at 1:22 am -      #55

    So, this is an intentional spite match.
    Not a survival match. A match where it’s one sided.
    All because of immense hate for one character…
    /
    Wow Mym., let the hate flow through you.
    Wow

  56. Alpha or Omega December 4, 2015 at 1:32 am -      #56

    “And that makes sense since the Legends EU is pretty much discarded and discontinued at this point. But I just like to nit pick and derail with odd tid bits of information… also I know that the TIE Defender might be getting recanonized thanks to a mobile game and I had confused the Defender with the Phantom, but I looked it up before I made an erroneous claim there but kept the initial off shoot of the thought about the Legends TIE Phantom.”
    /
    I’m fine with the derailment. I think it’s nice to look back at what the Legends EU had.
    /
    Was it SW Uprising that’s possibly bringing TIE Defender back?
    I remember the trailer had a vibroblade in it.

  57. OriginalA December 4, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #57

    ” the fleet is not justifiable in bombarding that spot into oblivion”

    Now* justifiable…. I didn’t catch this in time to edit the post. Sorry.

  58. Friendlysociopath December 4, 2015 at 1:36 am -      #58

    Or, Spiderman doesn’t go for the instant kill, and Vader very much so has the chance for Force Choke Spiderman

    Thing is though, Force Choke itself takes time, and Spiderman is more than capable of simply sniping Vader with a webshot while being choked to break the concentration required- enabling him to close the gap and fight Vader up close.

    Also, even in the EU Vader doesn’t go around choking every enemy he comes across. He’s made it pretty clear he likes using that lightsaber.
    Not saying Spiderman would 100% win, but I’d give him like 70-30 odds since Vader apparently likes a good fight from his enemies- CIS is a powerful handicap for some characters.

    But the entire army? Nah, never gonna happen; eventually he’ll get tagged or they’ll decide “the hell with this” and blow up the base from a distance.
    Pretty much the only way I can see Spiderman winning is defeating Vader, which would likely scare the rest of them right off the planet.

    Either Spiderman gets the jump on Vader and goes for an instant kill (out of character but okay whatever)

    Considering Spiderman has demonstrated some knowledge of Star Wars, would it be out of character for him to recognize Vader as a tremendous threat and neutralize him quickly?

    I’m fine with the derailment.

    It’s at least semi-relevant since it involves one of the sides. I happen to love finding people who share the same interests I do and talking about said interests.

  59. AbsoluteZero December 4, 2015 at 1:40 am -      #59

    ““Lol spider-sense nyuk nyuk”

    This is not English and I demand a translation”

    I’ve got you covered.

    “Well, tally-ho chap. You can’t explain everything with spider-sense, it makes you come of as some treacherous cad! Ah-ah!”

    Not that I agree with it. But, translation done.

  60. OriginalA December 4, 2015 at 1:58 am -      #60

    “Thing is though, Force Choke itself takes time, ”

    Only when Vader has the incentive to prolong someone’s death. He does not have that incentive here.

    i.imgur.com/IJo9nKr.png

    Totally takes tons of time. Yup… Lots of time right there.

    “He’s made it pretty clear he likes using that lightsaber.”

    Only when they also have a lightsaber or severely out number him, or have enough trick that keep him from just neck snapping them. I can only recall Boba Fett being the only non-Force sesitive to actually hold Vader off from killing him for any significant amount of time, and even then that was only because Boba Fett had a very valuable item that Vader wanted and Boba eventually settled the situation into forcing Vader to chose either kill Fett or save the item. Vader has no incentive at all to hold back here. None.

    “but I’d give him like 70-30 odds since Vader apparently likes a good fight from his enemies”

    Anakin likes a good fight. Vader does not. Vader is a wrecking ball of destruction that will crush without mercy or remorse any obstacle in his way. The only times he holds back is when he has an alternative motive, such as not murdering Luke so that he can overthrow Palpatine with Luke as his new Sith Apprentice. Or not murdering Han so he can torture him to draw Luke out of hiding.

    “Pretty much the only way I can see Spiderman winning is defeating Vader, which would likely scare the rest of them right off the planet.”

    In which case they would just blow up the base from orbit. That isn’t winning.

    “Considering Spiderman has demonstrated some knowledge of Star Wars, would it be out of character for him to recognize Vader as a tremendous threat and neutralize him quickly?”

    Does Spiderman ever deliberately kill? Cause the only person I can think of Spiderman ever killing was Gwen Stacy (admirably not a Marvel fan) and that screwed him up for years. Outside of killing Vader, I don’t think Spiderman can stop Vader. I mean:
    oi58.tinypic.com/jb7p0p.jpg

    Really? Stop that? Without killing him? Vader can rip Spiderman apart with a gesture.

    “Was it SW Uprising that’s possibly bringing TIE Defender back?”

    Star Wars: Commander.

    I like going off on tangents. I do it a lot and it sometimes starts up a neat little side conversation, and sometimes you find some neat things because of them (like that TIE fighter video I posted).

  61. Alpha or Omega December 4, 2015 at 2:18 am -      #61

    @OriginalA
    “Does Spiderman ever deliberately kill?”
    /
    No he has not to my memory.
    Even if he has, he has spared villains more than he has killed.
    The only other time he killed was as Superior Spider-man, just Doc Ock’s mind in Spider-man.
    /
    If this wasn’t a match, Spider-man would try to reason with Vader. Peter Parker knows that Anakin is still there inside Vader.
    /
    “Star Wars: Commander.”
    /
    Ah, thanks.
    /
    “I like going off on tangents. I do it a lot and it sometimes starts up a neat little side conversation, and sometimes you find some neat things because of them (like that TIE fighter video I posted).”
    /
    Do you rememeber the Super Smash Wars Video? I’m not sure if you saw the others, but RotJ SSW is out.
    /
    I love seeing that TIE video.
    Reminds me of UC Gundam and Macross

  62. OriginalA December 4, 2015 at 2:36 am -      #62

    “Do you rememeber the Super Smash Wars Video? I’m not sure if you saw the others, but RotJ SSW is out.”

    I know I saw at least most of the others. I forget if I’ve seen all of RotJ SSW. I’ll go check/watch it now. Those were funny.

  63. Ninja Lowk December 4, 2015 at 2:53 am -      #63

    “It is relevant because the Jedi, despite their physical superiority and precognition, were taken down. Spiderman will be no different. He will get so much laser pumped into him, Aayla Secura would blush at the sheer magnitude.”

    Most of which haven’t shown the same speed both movement and reflex wise as spider-man. I mean, if we aren’t dealing with the empire just blowing up the base that is a different story. That would be putting a guy several times faster then pretty much any storm trooper in a space where the storm troopers can’t maximize there numerical advantage. That also give Parker a lot of tech to play with.
    Also his suit is now armored
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111152790/4876741-screen+shot+2015-10-26+at+2.43.58+pm.jpg
    He incorporated his suit designs into 2099 suit and apparently the materials used make it so durable nothing short of a howitzer can penetrate it.
    41.media.tumblr.com/b6f4af5d5fbd9fe089135cccc9737204/tumblr_nwxfcg5NyW1sy4rryo1_500.png
    Those Storm Trooper could very well be walking into something and they don’t have ackbar to warn them. Against a guy who, unlike the Jedi, is armored, and if not faster, and most certainly stronger.
    ===
    “This isn’t even getting to the AT-AT’s, which Spiderman has no hopes of bringing down. One shot from them and he will be dead. Or crushed beneath their feet.”

    I beginning to think the bigger fanboy here is you.
    youtu.be/5MV-xN6fM2A?t=58s
    Those things are fucking slow, I don’t see them stepping on spidey anytime soon. ON top of that Spider is a very small target that can pull of large leaps and high-burst of speed. Near the end you see Luke literally pull a spider-man on one to defeat it.
    ===
    “Now if….IF Spiderman somehow makes it past the bombardment of death, he still has to deal with Vader, who could just choke him. And to those who said Spiderman could “blitz” Vader, just no. He’s not blitzing someone with relativistic reactions.”

    If Vader is coming to him he doesn’t really even have to face him man-to-man. Like I mentioned earlier an entire structure full off tech weaponry/explsoives and soldiers bringing even more in to him.
    ===
    Am I saying Spider-man could take on the whole empire, no. The specfic army of stormtrooper, more then likely. Spidey has both the physical ability beyond pretty much every jedi and wears armor that is apparently pretty legit which, in addition to his natural durability and endurance, makes him a pretty hard target to put down even if they could tag him. Aside from that he’s grown a lot to anticipate his enemies ever since he became a “buisness man”.
    An army of At-At, eh. He can take one down but if several of them can actually get a bead on him then they could saturate the area with a bunch of shots so he’d have nowhere to run. You got any feats on them hitting a target as small as Spidey? Because it seems like just being small with a decent amount of snow is enough to cover your approach of one.

    Vader, aside from orbital bombardment, is the biggest threat to Spidey and if anything had the high chance of taking spider down it’d be him.
    ===
    ““Spiderman is too fast hur dur”
    “Lol spider-sense nyuk nyuk”
    “Spiderman is to strong despite the fact that Marvel has stated he is much weaker””

    … Are you butthurt? Is that the right phrase or is it rustled jimmies? I’ve never really made much use of the phrases but this sounds like a case of one of those.

    Marvel put out comics showing the feats, mutliple times, over and over again. You keep saying marvel stated he’s much weaker but they repeatedly shown him being at a level more often then they mentioned said power-grid. A ranking which also doesn’t include growth, exercise, and/or training which can enhance people’s abilities over time. Nor does it incorporate the use of a very normal ability(both in and out of fiction) to push past one’s perceived limitations.

    Even using the power-grid spider-man is speed a 5, which matches up with his feats of being supersonic ranges. Something Jedi’s don’t often show overall speed wise.
    Strength is a 4, which is several tons physically above pretty most of star wars character storm troopers includes.

  64. LadyRamkin December 4, 2015 at 4:58 am -      #64

    Okay, so, i have only seen the movies and played the old republic 1 and 2. So, as far as i am personally aware Vader is no where near as scary as you all say he is. Can someone post some sources, and tell me where those comic scans are from? Because as far as i can tell, Vader is mostly ineffectual in all of his endevours.

  65. Ninja Lowk December 4, 2015 at 5:09 am -      #65

    “Because as far as i can tell, Vader is mostly ineffectual in all of his endevours.”

    See post #60 links.
    Disney is filling the time frame between episodes where vader discovers he has a son and the lengths he goes to get to him and hiding his activity from the empire.

  66. Nsl98 December 4, 2015 at 9:24 am -      #66

    @OA
    Really? Stop that? Without killing him? Vader can rip Spiderman apart with a gesture.

    Show Vader using that against a human looking opponent. From what I’ve seen in new EU, he either goes for his Saber or force chokes/neck snaps. Never actually ripping people apart.

    then the other ATATs would just obliterate whatever ATAT Spiderman was currently attacking and accept the friendly fire as collateral damage.

    Even without his current armor he could prolly survive that though:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3159158-8837128445-feat2.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/3159159-1591825699-feat2.jpg
    m.imgur.com/a/4BlVx

    Outside of killing Vader, I don’t think Spiderman can stop Vader.

    Uh, what about webbing? Vader has no counter for that…..

    @Myrm
    Why are people saying it is a survival match? This is clearly the might of the Empire versus a man in tights.

    *Freakishly durable armor

    It is relevant because the Jedi, despite their physical superiority and precognition, were taken down. Spiderman will be no different.

    Spidey physically outclasses like, every Jedi ever. I’d also say he has the better precog feats mid combat as well. You shouldn’t really compare the two.

    This isn’t even getting to the AT-AT’s, which Spiderman has no hopes of bringing down. One shot from them and he will be dead. Or crushed beneath their feet.

    He actually does have a hope of bringing them down. He could pull them down with his webs. Also, how durable are AT-AT’s?
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128749/3666710-1889043445-feat1.jpg

    He’s not blitzing someone with relativistic reactions.

    Wut. Since when is Vader relativistic?

    @Lowk
    … Are you butthurt? Is that the right phrase or is it rustled jimmies? I’ve never really made much use of the phrases but this sounds like a case of one of those.

    I think either one works here, honestly.

  67. LadyRamkin December 4, 2015 at 11:22 am -      #67

    “Are you butthurt? Is that the right phrase or is it rustled jimmies?”

    I simply dont understand why Myrmidon would even take part in, let alone suggest, Spider-man matches if S/He so strongly disagrees with how he is portrayed here.

    This horribly failed attempt at a spite match is…. pointless. i mean. even if this was a good spite match, like Spider-man vs… world war hulk? What does that prove?? Spider-man can lose in a match designed specifically to kill him?? How does that prove anything???? Literally anyone can lose (baring true omnipotents) in a match that is designed to kill them.

    If Myrmidon doesnt like it so much, why bother????????

  68. Friendlysociopath December 4, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #68

    Totally takes tons of time. Yup… Lots of time right there.

    Oh good, he picked the same one neck-snapping feat I’ve seen every Vader supporter use to say he’ll snap a neck. Shame he never does that to actual enemies in combat.
    One neck snap doesn’t override the multiple cases of force choke, and the few cases of force choke don’t override the greater number of cases where he uses his lightsaber.

    or have enough trick that keep him from just neck snapping them.

    Like say, superior speed, strength, precog to match his own and new powers he has never seen before? Spiderman is much more exotic than Fett was and Vader went out of his way to let Fett give him a good fight.
    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2426295
    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2426298
    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2426299
    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2426300
    www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2426304
    Well gee, look at that, Vader is fighting against someone and is toying with them because he wants a good fight (even saying as much). And towards the end when he’s had enough, he goes for a choke, not a neck-snap.
    And lo and behold, the choke lets the guy pull off a trick to get out of it.

    In which case they would just blow up the base from orbit.

    Which isn’t part of the Assault on Hoth since that didn’t happen, so I’d say that’s a win. Plus in that scenario we’re back to Spiderman sneaking aboard an Empire ship and getting off the planet as a stowaway, which I would also count as a win.
    Course, it’s a spite match, I’m simply looking for loopholes since spite matches are kind of stupid.

    Really? Stop that? Without killing him? Vader can rip Spiderman apart with a gesture.

    Considering Spiderman’s favorite thing in the world is to entire immobilize people with webbing… seems like the optimal way to stop people from “gesturing”.
    Non-lethal, and something Spiderman has done before, and he knows there’s one person who he definitely has to do that to- not seeing a downside here.

    If this wasn’t a match, Spider-man would try to reason with Vader.

    Not only that, Vader would probably try to capture him and bring Spidey to the Emperor. Interdimensional teleportation is definitely a topic he’d love to have a chat about.

    A ranking which also doesn’t include growth, exercise, and/or training which can enhance people’s abilities over time.

    Also, just pointing out Marvel has plenty of PSA-style oneshots about their heroes, just about every one featuring Spiderman says something like, “He has yet to reach his full potential”. So they literally built in a clause saying, ‘He’s gonna get better’.

  69. Myrmidon December 4, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #69

    This match was suggested because I believe Spiderman isn’t as powerful as you all claim.
    =
    If this is the same Spiderman that can beat up Kharn then surely he should be able to beat the invasion force, right? Because let me tell you, Kharn could have easily turned the tide of this battle if he was in the Star Wars universe.
    =
    And my issue with Spiderman and his feats is that they are not consistent with what Marvel thinks of their own character.
    =
    I find this problem within many comic book character matches now that I think about it. If Batman can beat up Superman, but loses to Bane does that make Bane > Superman?
    =
    Comics and many other forms of entertainment and media are confusing and we, as people debating on the Internet, should just stick with official statements and publications when talking about abilities.

  70. LadyRamkin December 4, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #70

    “This match was suggested because I believe Spiderman isn’t as powerful as you all claim.”

    Whether or not he loses this match will not impact that at all though….
    – – –
    “If this is the same Spiderman that can beat up Kharn then surely he should be able to beat the invasion force, right?”

    1) Do you think kharn on his own could take out this invasion force?

    2) Just because A can beat B does not mean A can beat C. And since there is literally no relation ship here between B and C no actuall conclusions can be drawn, true or false. Further highlighting how pointless this is.
    – – –
    “Because let me tell you, Kharn could have easily turned the tide of this battle if he was in the Star Wars universe.”

    1) You never intend to prove that do you, we just have to take your word for it

    2) Turning the tide of a whole battle, and fighting that entire battle by your self, are not the same thing.

    3) Okay, this leads us to the causal relationship mentioned earlier.:

    Just because A can beat B. and B can beat C, does not mean that A can beat C. That is just faulty reasoning
    – – –
    “If Batman can beat up Superman, but loses to Bane does that make Bane > Superman?”

    Which takes us back to the faulty reasoning mentioned above.

    Just because A can beat B. and B can beat C, does not mean that A can beat C. That is just faulty reasoning
    – – –
    “should just stick with official statements and publications when talking about abilities”

    We do both of those things. In this case publications and statements seem to disagree.
    The statement you seem to be clinging to however is very old, compared to publications that are currently being released. If newer publications are contradicting old statements what reason do we have to listen to those older statements?

  71. Friendlysociopath December 4, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #71

    And my issue with Spiderman and his feats is that they are not consistent with what Marvel thinks of their own character.

    But, again, Marvel is the one who makes the comics with said character.
    You’re saying Marvel can’t make their character above a certain level because Marvel said he isn’t above a certain level, despite Marvel also being the one showing him above that level.
    He’s Marvel’s character, they can do whatever the hell they want to with him, that includes discarding any limits they place on him.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134553/3318261-screen+shot+2013-09-17+at+4.23.10+pm.png
    ^Spiderman casually hopping around at almost Mach 2, outright stated by the narrator in a way that brooks no argument.

    img06.deviantart.net/785e/i/2003/37/9/0/spider_man_stats______strength.jpg
    marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2013/03/1981-just-how-strong-is-spider-man.html
    www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/strong-spider-man.jpg
    ^Three separate examples of Marvel works telling you Spiderman’s strength is not so cut and dry as you make it out to be.

    And purely because you seem to hate it- oh look- Spiderman violating his strength limits!
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107619/2098466-batman_vs_spiderman_13037.jpg

    And my issue with Spiderman and his feats is that they are not consistent with what Marvel thinks of their own character.

    Except Marvel has done it not once, but many times, we posted plenty of feats in the last thread that showed Spiderman was of that level.
    By contrast, you did nothing but hide behind that one site, who has provided more evidence for what is “consistent” here?

  72. Nsl98 December 4, 2015 at 1:48 pm -      #72

    This match was suggested because I believe Spiderman isn’t as powerful as you all claim.

    He actually is, we proved it with feats.

    If this is the same Spiderman that can beat up Kharn then surely he should be able to beat the invasion force, right?

    WTF. Kharn would do legitimately worse than Peter here. Like, how do you go from lone superhuman with an axe to an entire army on a barren ice planet?

    And my issue with Spiderman and his feats is that they are not consistent with what Marvel thinks of their own character.

    *sigh*
    Marvel literally published feats before and after this “stat page” that show Spidey is far above his “limits.”

    I find this problem within many comic book character matches now that I think about it. If Batman can beat up Superman, but loses to Bane does that make Bane > Superman?

    That’s not how it works at all and Bats has never actually gotten a solid win against Supes. It usually ends in moral victory or suicide in most of the Elseworld stories.

    Comics and many other forms of entertainment and media are confusing and we, as people debating on the Internet, should just stick with official statements and publications when talking about abilities.

    You do realize that scans are technically official, right?

  73. Ninja Lowk December 4, 2015 at 2:17 pm -      #73

    “And my issue with Spiderman and his feats is that they are not consistent with what Marvel thinks of their own character.”

    Except they have his stats currently at being able to move somewhere between mach 2 to mach 22. Which isn’t even bringing up reflexes which can be honed over time.
    The only thing now is strength and he has been pushing himself past those limits for about as long as they’ve been around. Not only can strength be improved either over time (ala constant physical exertion) or the other more momentary means (power of heart or power of biological function allowing for more then the body can normally handle)
    Considering that they constantly show him capable of what he was initially stated suggest one or both of those plausible things.
    Or we can go with you way of thinking were no one is capable of improvement or doing anything above what they are stated to be capable (even though its a pretty core concept to spider-man’s character).
    ===
    “Because let me tell you, Kharn could have easily turned the tide of this battle if he was in the Star Wars universe.”

    Two different sets of abilities and equipment that go about things differently. I believe ram already went over the faulty abc logic thing.

  74. Ninja Lowk December 4, 2015 at 2:28 pm -      #74

    @71
    Holy shit, that is literally what I’ve been trying to say in the words of marvel. Even the thing about growth.
    hazzah, validation!

  75. Darth Bombad December 4, 2015 at 3:06 pm -      #75

    @Myrm
    “Because let me tell you, Kharn could have easily turned the tide of this battle if he was in the Star Wars universe.”

    Uhhhh no, you see Spider-Man actually has the speed, strength, durability, and
    precog to dual lord Vader on equal (of more) terms. Whereas Kharn would be like.
    Kharn: “RWAAARR!”
    Darth Vader: “LoL nope” (crush!)

    (Edit)
    As you may be able to tell from my avatar and name i’m a massive Star Wars fanboy.
    So no Myrm i’m not biased towards Spider-Man, i’m just being honest.

  76. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 4, 2015 at 3:24 pm -      #76

    “Why are people saying it is a survival match? This is clearly the might of the Empire versus a man in tights. They will be fighting, otherwise this match is pointless.”

    The words saying “How long does he last?” make it seem like it’s about survival and not a death match, but thanks on the clarification.
    =
    “Moving on, I’d like to see how Spiderman handles the legion who singlehandedly slaughtered most of the Jedi order.”

    By running them over without them noticing what hit them like he did with Hawkeye.
    =
    “It is relevant because the Jedi, despite their physical superiority and precognition, were taken down. Spiderman will be no different.”

    And Spidey is physically superior physically to Jedi and has better precog.
    =
    “He will get so much laser pumped into him, Aayla Secura would blush at the sheer magnitude.”

    If by lasers you mean nerf gun speed blasters, then Spidey will probably joke about how slow those things are while he’s kicking all their asses.
    =
    “This isn’t even getting to the AT-AT’s, which Spiderman has no hopes of bringing down. One shot from them and he will be dead. Or crushed beneath their feet.”

    Chances are Spidey literally just pulls one down, Nsl so kindly provided a feat of Spidey building busting, there’s a few more out there like Spidey physically pulling down a building, he’s supported a building before as you well know, and depending on how are with fight related feats, he took out a city block as an after effect of one of his fights, but that last one is admittedly iffy.
    =
    “Now if….IF Spiderman somehow makes it past the bombardment of death, he still has to deal with Vader, who could just choke him. And to those who said Spiderman could “blitz” Vader, just no. He’s not blitzing someone with relativistic reactions.”

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1342903-thorvsspiderman.jpg

    longboxgraveyard.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/firelord-01.png

    Admittedly the first one is Masterson Thor who was nowhere near as good as Odinson is. The second, ironically is the one where he destroys a city block.
    =
    “Now I’ll just sit back and wait for the inevitable Spiderfanboys’ responses. Including, but not limited to:”

    In other words, “Wagh! I’m angry Spidey is more powerful than I think he is, wagh!”
    =
    “This match was suggested because I do not want to believe Spiderman is as powerful as you all have proven.”

    *Fixed.
    =
    “If this is the same Spiderman that can beat up Kharn then surely he should be able to beat the invasion force, right?”

    ABC logic isn’t really a good way to determine things like this…
    =
    “And my issue with Spiderman and his feats is that they are not consistent with what Marvel thinks of their own character.”

    …Think about what you just said… Marvel publishes the comics that he’s in. Marvel has him perform the feats in said comics. So, clearly, Marvel publishing comics where Spidey is performing the feats he’s performing is consistent with what they want him performing at. If Spidey suddenly out of the blue planet busting, we would never know about it because that’s not a level Marvel wants Spidey to perform at and wouldn’t release the comic. But since we know of all these other feats it’s clear that’s what they want from him.
    =
    “should just stick with official statements and publications when talking about abilities.”

    What do you think we’ve been doing? What, are the comics produced by Marvel themselves not official publications now? That’s news to me!

  77. Darth Bombad December 4, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #77

    “on equal (of more) terms.”
    Doh! I meant on equal (or more) terms.

    (Edit)
    And i just realised that the picture shows Captain Universe Spidey,
    Which is a whole different level of stompage!. LoL!

  78. Ninja Lowk December 4, 2015 at 4:19 pm -      #78

    To add on to the handbook
    Tom bevoort
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brevoort
    Has stated that the 15 tons came from that really old scene of spidey lifting machinery. That where they calculated his strength at the time.
    brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/115117879593/is-there-any-reason-with-spidermans-strength-he
    So that old number was based off a feat. They literally did what we do. They used a FEAT in the COMICS to figure out how strong he was at the time.
    Which then later became his default “normal”. Something that apparently has been raised since then to 25, going by the “official wiki”.
    Apparently he has even noted that the handbook might occasionally be incorrect but that was on his old thing which has been replaced by a different site so I’ll keep looking.

  79. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets December 5, 2015 at 1:40 am -      #79

    Guys, I think Myrm’s right, I mean, there’s no way for Spidey to be above his 15 ton max…

    imgur.com/a/6APKs#0

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128749/3666710-1889043445-feat1.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128749/3766084-2049268364-feat1.jpg

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111171885/4095697-0153054475-14654.jpg

    Yup, no possible way….

    imgur.com/ktsc18C

  80. Jake_Uzumaki December 5, 2015 at 9:37 am -      #80

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/11/113883/2967457-7.jpg
    The running over Hawkeye feat CH1C4N0444 mentioned the important part at least.

  81. Jake_Uzumaki December 5, 2015 at 9:50 am -      #81

    And for the record that was Avengers mansion, and the security systems still couldn’t recognize him any better than the people

  82. Jake_Uzumaki December 5, 2015 at 11:10 am -      #82

    not much but more Vader only the little text box in the last panel is revlevant in the first scan fyi…seriously the current stuff is making Vader feel like a horror movie monster..only instead of horny teenagers he’s slaughtering soldiers and..fucking tanks somehow.
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-lRejWTD_afE/Vl7Ci6Vnd3I/AAAAAAATbCo/IGlggwCuNs0/s1600/11_19.jpg
    viewcomic.com/star-wars-v3-013-2016/
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-dMLryjGiq_M/Vl7CjI6Q78I/AAAAAAATbCw/C6tQLI_f-dk/s1600/11_21.jpg

  83. Karen Starr December 5, 2015 at 11:46 am -      #83

    That last scan with Spidey and the jet, he was totally quoting Star Wars.

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