Hive Fleet Leviathan Vs Sith Empire

Hive Fleet Leviathan Vs Sith Empire

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Hive Fleet Leviathan (Warhammer 40K) will go up against Vitiate‘s Sith Empire (Star Wars).

Sith Empire is from Star Wars: The Old Republic, right before the attack on the Republic.

Nids fleet found new food for themself in Star Wars space. Can Vitiate and his Empire protect themself and destroy nasty bugs?

Who will win?

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251 Comments on "Hive Fleet Leviathan Vs Sith Empire"

  1. Neon Lord November 27, 2015 at 2:23 am -      #1

    Like the GEvsIoM debate, SW’s significantly faster FTL is a deciding factor.

  2. LadyRamkin November 27, 2015 at 6:26 am -      #2

    Considering that Nids eat minerals/metals right out of the ground. Is it too much to say they can eat droids? Also if they ever get their teeth in a sith aprentice…. force sensetive tyranids anyone??? Giving every nid precog and force lightning would be hilarious. All they need is midiclorians or some shit right??

  3. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 7:54 am -      #3

    Does force = warp?

  4. Darth Bombad November 27, 2015 at 9:22 am -      #4

    @pimp
    “Does force = warp?”

    That’s a good question, they both function as “space magic” but have very different origins.
    The Force is the life energy of all things, that binds everything (living or inanimate) together.
    The warp as i understand it is just psychic energies from the unstable thoughts of sentients.

    One is a fundamental universal constant, the other doesn’t exist outside the milkyway.
    Whether or not elemental compatibility applies can go either way, depending on definition.

  5. Mea quidem sententia November 27, 2015 at 9:24 am -      #5

    If they’re not even remotely similar, then they’re not EC.

  6. Friendlysociopath November 27, 2015 at 10:19 am -      #6

    Giving every nid precog and force lightning would be hilarious.

    I’ve drastically lost faith in Force precog, people can spout EU all they want- movies are highest canon and in the movies precog kind of sucks.

    (Vader standing in front of the Millenium Falcon)
    “I sense a presence I have not felt in a long time.”
    (Proceeds to not even scan the ship for life signs and walks away.)

    Aside from being the space magic of the respective series, the Force and Warp are described pretty differently.

    On a related but sidetracking note, would the Force be EC with magic/ magic resistance in Fate/stay? The Force is the life energy of all things, as I understand it, so is Mana in Fate/stay.

  7. LadyRamkin November 27, 2015 at 10:22 am -      #7

    “Proceeds to not even scan the ship for life signs and walks away.”

    Well, they were going to scan the ship, that is what the box was for. the one the guys carry on the the falcon before they are ambushed.

    Luke does block 3 rapid shots without being able to see, and he was a total force noob.
    – – –
    “the other doesn’t exist outside the milkyway.”

    The warp doesn’t exist out side the milky way????

  8. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 11:04 am -      #8

    The warp is a universal force. It is a seperate dimension that bleeds into reality. It’s a two sided coin. Real space is a mirror of the warp. The only difference I can see is that one comes from a different dimension. Otherwise they both have people channel this power within themselves in realspace, they both have extremely similar uses (precog, telekinesis, lightning, etc.

    “the other doesn’t exist outside the milkyway.”

    Completely untrue. A direct example would be tyranids. They have psykers within their ranks, and they communicate with the warp between themselves, and they originated from several other galaxies.

  9. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 11:09 am -      #9

    Besides, the warp is a seperate dimension. Dimensions don’t end at the borders of a galaxy. Entities within the warp only exist where sentience exists, or has existed. So there could be absolutely nothing going on in the warp between galaxies, but the plane still exists.

    “Luke does block 3 rapid shots without being able to see, and he was a total force noob.”

    Could it be that Luke was able to actually still see while being blind folded? Or is it specifically precog?

  10. LadyRamkin November 27, 2015 at 11:15 am -      #10

    “Could it be that Luke was able to actually still see while being blind folded? Or is it specifically precog?”

    well… when he could see he couldn’t block them very well…..
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=X69NCLxwLEY

  11. Friendlysociopath November 27, 2015 at 11:30 am -      #11

    Could it be that Luke was able to actually still see while being blind folded?

    That was the impression I was given, the older Star Wars movies were more about sensing beyond what you could physically see- not precog.

    For example- it was not precog that allowed Luke to nail the Death Star exhaust port- but a sort of ESP that would allow him to make the shot without his targeting stick.

    well… when he could see he couldn’t block them very well…..

    He did block it successfully though, eyes open and everything. Meaning it’s within his reflexes to do so already- no precog required.

  12. Rookie November 27, 2015 at 12:35 pm -      #12

    Some numbers for tyranids:

    “The hive fleet of Starving Dragon stretched out in an elongated teardrop billions of lengths long. ”

    Mindraped strongest (since among current seers who is alive) eldar seer:


    She had the sense of an eye, slave to a great power. An intellect that dwarfed the Great Wheel of the galaxy. She opened her second sense, to find the Dragon looking at her with terrible regard.

    For aeons it seemed it held her in its gaze. And there was fury in that examination.

    The Dragon was angry, and it was angry with her. Not with the galaxy, or this sector, or her species. But with her personally. The promise of endless torment came from it, her very being enslaved to its ends and used against others, her body rebuilt over and again so that it might suffer the Dragon’s revenge.

    Terror of a kind she could not have conceived of flooded her mind. She screamed again, and this time every eldar in the fleet screamed with her.

    When she awoke later, Ynnead’s Herald was dark. She exhaled brokenly. Her legs were weak. She hauled herself to her feet by grabbing at a couch’s cocoon. Her fingers had no strength to them. The other spiritseers lay limp in their cots. Two, she was sure, were dead.”
    ///
    “‘What is the status of your ship? Your fleet?’

    ‘They are undamaged. My crew are distressed. Some are dead.’”

    Still Vitiate should solo here, he can just kill nids untill there is no one left.

  13. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 2:59 pm -      #13

    How will vitiate solo?

  14. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 27, 2015 at 3:21 pm -      #14

    “Some numbers for tyranids:

    “The hive fleet of Starving Dragon stretched out in an elongated teardrop billions of lengths long. ” ”
    What unit of measurement are they using for “lengths”? A billion km would be impressive, a billion nm isn’t.

  15. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 3:27 pm -      #15

    Tyranid ships can be anywhere from the size of fighter jet’s to capital ships that dwarf the largest iom capital ships several dozen times over:

    s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ab/09/c7/ab09c7dec5c2a9487f3f2bed983924ad.jpg

  16. Ninja Lowk November 27, 2015 at 3:36 pm -      #16

    “I’ve drastically lost faith in Force precog, people can spout EU all they want- movies are highest canon and in the movies precog kind of sucks.”

    Is that still true since the great Disney reboot of 2014?

  17. Commissar Gaunt November 27, 2015 at 3:38 pm -      #17

    The other thing about Nids is whatever kills one the next ones are resistant to. I believe the best example is the ones who attacked the Tau ( Gorgon? ) as after the first attack their standard rifles took 2 to 3 times the rounds to kill the gaunts, a troop deployed in their millions/Billions.

  18. Ninja Lowk November 27, 2015 at 4:02 pm -      #18

    “That was the impression I was given, the older Star Wars movies were more about sensing beyond what you could physically see- not precog.”

    It seems to still be a danger sense tied to thier reflexes, sort of like Spiderman after Disney took over. Kanan’s master sensed the Clone troopers about to turn on her. Kanan himself blocked blaster fire from behind him while he was desperately running away.

    Legit precog though I think is a more enhanced form that only a few force user, like ahsoka or yoda, do.

  19. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 27, 2015 at 5:29 pm -      #19

    “Tyranid ships can be anywhere from the size of fighter jet’s to capital ships that dwarf the largest iom capital ships several dozen times over:”
    – No, I know they can be gigantic, but that vague passage doesn’t give us any type of glimpse at their numbers.

  20. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 5:41 pm -      #20

    “No, I know they can be gigantic, but that vague passage doesn’t give us any type of glimpse at their numbers.”

    Tyranid swarms should be absolutely massive according to fluff. Hive tendrils are only scouts for the main swarm that nobody has even encountered before. In fluff, they have consumed entire galaxies worth of materials, that’s why they travel between galaxies to the 40k one to strip planets of all material.
    vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/8a/Tyranid_Hive_Fleets_Galaxy_Map.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140512084816

  21. itcheyness November 27, 2015 at 5:44 pm -      #21

    “I believe the best example is the ones who attacked the Tau ( Gorgon? ) as after the first attack their standard rifles took 2 to 3 times the rounds to kill the gaunts, a troop deployed in their millions/Billions.”

    Gorgon’s rapid evolution was a special trait that only that hive fleet had. Leviathan doesn’t have it.

  22. Rookie November 27, 2015 at 5:47 pm -      #22

    Little more about ships:
    ///
    “Grappling tentacles on closing kraken ships waved in anticipation. Anti-laser ice fields puffed from spiracules. Flesh chaff belched from subsidiary mouths.”
    ///
    @pimpmage

    “How will vitiate solo?”

    He is like Nihilus +10 in all stats. He can literally stand on some planet and destroy all nids ships as they come into system. The reason he never used this power more than one time in game is PIS. He is, well, overpowered.

  23. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 27, 2015 at 6:21 pm -      #23

    “Tyranid swarms should be absolutely massive according to fluff.”
    – Again, I know, but how big, exactly? Rookie tried to show us how big via a passage that was too vague to be of any use. That’s all I was saying, not disputing the fact that they are, in fact, huge.

  24. Commissar Gaunt November 27, 2015 at 6:21 pm -      #24

    @itchyness all fleets are that way, Gorgon was just alot faster. The Tyranid adapts to what tactics and weapons are used on it over time.

  25. Darth Bombad November 27, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #25

    @friendly
    “That was the impression I was given, the older Star Wars movies were more about sensing beyond what you could physically see- not precog.”

    Except when Qui-Gon is talking to Anakin’s mom he says it quite plainly.
    “He can see things before they happen, that’s why he appears to have such quick reflexes.”

  26. Neon Lord November 27, 2015 at 7:40 pm -      #26

    “Gorgon’s rapid evolution was a special trait that only that hive fleet had. Leviathan doesn’t have it.”

    Gorgon’s evolution was just faster than normal. It is unknown whether or not that was the fleet’s special trait, or a direct response to how fast the Tau themselves were adapting.

    Leviathan has been known to deploy the Death Leaper organism for assassination, along with Lictor teams.

  27. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 7:44 pm -      #27

    “Again, I know, but how big, exactly? Rookie tried to show us how big via a passage that was too vague to be of any use. That’s all I was saying, not disputing the fact that they are, in fact, huge.”

    I keep telling you, hive fleet leviathan from fluff was but a scouting party for the main tyranid fleet. Tyranids have been said to have devoured all biomass in several galaxies according to older rulebooks.

    According to some fancy mathmatics and astrology, this page esitmates the following for a single galaxy of our size as an average:

    “For the pessimistic estimate, we have 6.4 billion potentially habitable worlds, and for the optimistic estimate, we have 5 trillion potentially habitable worlds, in our galaxy alone!”
    medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/how-many-habitable-planets-are-in-our-galaxy-5bcf6db80c7f#.nvnkjidd2

    So an extreme lowball of even the pessimistic estimate, a single tyranid fleet could have 5 billion planets worth of biomass.

  28. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 27, 2015 at 9:46 pm -      #28

    “I keep telling you, hive fleet leviathan from fluff was but a scouting party for the main tyranid fleet.”
    – And I keep trying to tell you that I get that but, exactly, how big is this fleet?

  29. mack006 November 27, 2015 at 9:57 pm -      #29

    One thing I want to point out that Hive Fleet Leviathan attacked the galaxy from beneath, allowing it to strike at multiple key locations at once. This should give them an initial advantage of overcoming the FTL speed problem. Here is a pict of all the fleets:
    vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/8a/Tyranid_Hive_Fleets_Galaxy_Map.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140512084816

    “And I keep trying to tell you that I get that but, exactly, how big is this fleet?”

    It is very hard to keep record of the exact numbers as the Hive Fleet is constantly multiplying and splitting up into smaller branches. Through that map, the main fleet was large enough to cover a quarter of the galaxy. You can’t get an exact number of Tyranids, I might as well ask you, “Give me an exact number of bacteria living on your arm.” We can only assume an approximation

  30. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 10:13 pm -      #30

    “And I keep trying to tell you that I get that but, exactly, how big is this fleet?”

    You must be retarded. You are looking for a specific number that absolutely NOBODY can tell you. The entire hive fleet(as an estimate) could contain the mass of billions of planets. This could mean billions of ships and trillion trillion individual creatures. And that doesn’t include the way the tyranids reintegrate dead biomass back into it’s ecosystem. It could take centuries for this sith empire to even find all the tyranids. They could all die of old age trying to stop all these millions of incursions. Including genestealer invasions that could do serious damage before even scouting tendrils of the fleet even make contact.

    “A screaming horde of starships blasted into high orbit, but the tyranids were not some mono-directional mass of unthinking drones. They had devoured Imperial worlds before and had learned from each slaughter. The volume of space around Brontissa was seeded with billions upon billions of bio-organisms. Some were lethally intelligent hunter-killer creatures as vast as Imperial battleships and formed like frond-mouthed conches. Others were little more than organic mines, billowing in dense, spore-like clouds to cripple fleeing craft to be devoured at leisure.
    Space around Brontissa became an orbital graveyard, a spinning, metallic wasteland of crippled starships. The fortunate ones died swiftly when their ships lost atmosphere and oxygen, but some survived long enough to be boarded and overrun by chittering hosts of flesh-eating monsters.” – Lords of Mars

  31. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 27, 2015 at 11:12 pm -      #31

    “You are looking for a specific number that absolutely NOBODY can tell you.”
    – Thus, Rookie trying to give a passage that tells us a fleet is “billions of lengths long” is useless. Thank you. That’s what I was getting at, Pimp. Figured my pointing out of how vague that passage was was enough, guess it takes a retard to understand a retard, though.

  32. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 11:17 pm -      #32

    “Thus, Rookie trying to give a passage that tells us a fleet is “billions of lengths long” is useless. Thank you. That’s what I was getting at, Pimp. Figured my pointing out of how vague that passage was was enough, guess it takes a retard to understand a retard, though.”

    Maybe he didn’t quote it right. Maybe, by lengths, it meant ships. That would make perfect sense. And I have a question for you. Do you ever plan on adding anything valuable to this conversation? Because right now, you are pretty pointless. Like Cre4j.

  33. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 27, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #33

    “Maybe, by lengths, it meant ships. That would make perfect sense. And I have a question for you. Do you ever plan on adding anything valuable to this conversation? Because right now, you are pretty pointless.”
    – Ah, right. And maybe by lengths it meant a measurement of length… like a nanometer. Man, the hours of fun that could sink into guessing what a vague passage means. so questioning what “lengths” means isn’t adding something to this conversation? I swear most people on this site are a stickler for the details.

  34. pimpmage November 27, 2015 at 11:41 pm -      #34

    ” Ah, right. And maybe by lengths it meant a measurement of length… like a nanometer. Man, the hours of fun that could sink into guessing what a vague passage means. so questioning what “lengths” means isn’t adding something to this conversation? I swear most people on this site are a stickler for the details.”

    You are a fuckin tool you know that? If you are observing a swarm of ships, you can count by the relevant distances. Hence lengths could easily mean ships’ lengths. Which would also match up with tyranid numbers. And for you of ALL people to bitch about how people debate here, is HILARIOUS. Watching you make an absolute fool of yourself last match just compounds how much of an idiot you are. Either contribute to the match, or you can be ignored like the rest of the trolls.

  35. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 28, 2015 at 12:18 am -      #35

    “Hence lengths could easily mean ships’ lengths. Which would also match up with tyranid numbers.”
    – How big is a ship? Oh, shit, that doesn’t help at all. Are we talking the huge ships? The tiny ones? Troop carriers? What, exactly, are we talking? Oh, right, just “ships,” because being vague as shit is… good, apparently. A billion jet planes can suddenly be turned into a billion km-long ships because: “lengths.”

    “Watching you make an absolute fool of yourself last match just compounds how much of an idiot you are.”
    – Weren’t you the one saying the last debate we were in wasn’t a match? Way to stay consistent with yourself, Pimp. And, in case you didn’t notice, I won that “match” until Ramkin came up and changed the topic. So… keep being a pathetic tool, Pimp.

  36. Friendlysociopath November 28, 2015 at 12:37 am -      #36

    Hence lengths could easily mean ships’ lengths.

    Just pointing out that’s how we use ‘car lengths’. That is all seeing as my 40K knowledge is mostly 1d4chan.

  37. GrandMaster November 28, 2015 at 11:14 am -      #37

    Hive Fleet Behemoth had 1000 hive ships, and Leviathan was bigger than it. The Sith Empire should have the win, they have more powerful weaponry, faster ships, millions of Sith, and Vitiate, who the Tyranids have no way to kill.

  38. Shadow-Knight November 28, 2015 at 1:19 pm -      #38

    Watching pimp & answers go back and forth is like watching two Fensers spar. Attack, counter, attack, dodge…..so much fun. Except their swords are words.

  39. pimpmage November 28, 2015 at 1:43 pm -      #39

    It’s more like beating up a kid with downs syndrome. I feel bad, but is easy.

  40. LadyRamkin November 28, 2015 at 1:47 pm -      #40

    Thats racist
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgcB7Lkvp44

  41. Ninja Lowk November 28, 2015 at 2:27 pm -      #41

    “Watching pimp & answers go back and forth is like watching two Fensers spar. Attack, counter, attack, dodge…..so much fun. Except their swords are words.”

    Their words aren’t sharp enough to be swords. It’s more like they’re smacking each other with blunt objects.

  42. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 28, 2015 at 2:33 pm -      #42

    “It’s more like beating up a kid with downs syndrome. I feel bad, but is easy.”
    – That’s the Pimp I know, constant name calling while adding nothing of substance.

  43. pimpmage November 28, 2015 at 2:43 pm -      #43

    That’s ironic seeing as I have never once seen you contribute anything to any debate so far. Quit being such a baby. Don’t cry.

    I am going to continue treating you like a kid with downs syndrome unless you decide to change.

  44. LadyRamkin November 28, 2015 at 2:46 pm -      #44

    It’s like you two are made for each other.

  45. Friendlysociopath November 28, 2015 at 2:50 pm -      #45

    But the truth of the matter is:
    Answer: “I’ll never join you- you killed my father!”
    Pimp: “No, I AM your father!”
    Answer: “Nooooooooooooo!”

    Actually I’d compare it to literally throwing shit at one another, accomplishes nothing for either side but more shit.

  46. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 28, 2015 at 2:51 pm -      #46

    “That’s ironic seeing as I have never once seen you contribute anything to any debate so far. Quit being such a baby. Don’t cry.”
    – Again, do minor details not matter to you anymore? I know that matter to 99.999% of people on this site, maybe you’re that special 0.001% who just accepts vague as hell passages with no clarification, though.

    “I am going to continue treating you like a kid with downs syndrome unless you decide to change.”
    – And I will continue to point out who you tackle none of my points and instead opt for ad hominem attacks. Like a child.
    ==
    “It’s like you two are made for each other.”
    – Just my luck. My soulmate is a childish asshole. I don’t want to love another me, Ramkin.
    ==
    I’m Luke? That’s… I can live with that.

  47. pimpmage November 28, 2015 at 2:52 pm -      #47

    You can tell from his comment style how pissed he always is. He will never let his ego go, so I will just keep stoking his rage for my entertainment.( I don’t even care to read his entire comments lol, I just assume he is pissed off because of his micro penis)
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHRNVGUi1mM

  48. LadyRamkin November 28, 2015 at 2:53 pm -      #48

    Answer: “I’ll never join you- you killed my father!”
    Pimp: “No, I AM your father!”
    Answer: “No, I am YOUR father!”
    Pimp: “No, I am YOUR father! You baby, go cry somewhere else”
    Answer: “Your dumb!”
    Pimp: “Your dumb!”
    Answer: “Your dumb!”
    Pimp: “Your dumb!”
    Answer: “Your dumb!”
    Pimp: “Your dumb!”

  49. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 28, 2015 at 2:54 pm -      #49

    “You can tell from his comment style how pissed he always is.”
    – Hahahahahahahahahahaha. What? God, Pimp, you’re stupid.

  50. Commissar Gaunt November 28, 2015 at 5:14 pm -      #50

    Jees……… @Grandmaster what makes you think that Tyranids can’t kill sith?

  51. LadyRamkin November 28, 2015 at 6:39 pm -      #51

    Where did that picture of the warrior come from? Its super sweet

  52. the silent king November 28, 2015 at 8:15 pm -      #52

    @LadyRamkin tyranids 7th ed codex.

    @Friendly why are you so wise ? You should start your own religion and have your holy book filled with quotes about pimp and answer

  53. LadyRamkin November 28, 2015 at 8:27 pm -      #53

    “You should start your own religion ”

    Why would you possibly have a religion that worships a sociopath?

    …………..wait………………. never mind.

  54. Alpha or Omega November 28, 2015 at 8:46 pm -      #54

    @FriendlySociopath
    “That was the impression I was given, the older Star Wars movies were more about sensing beyond what you could physically see- not precog.”
    /
    Other than what Darth Bombad said. The plot in the third movie was Anakin had a precognition of his wife’s death, so he goes to the dark side.
    /
    And, he becomes cyborg because high ground.

  55. Ninja Lowk November 28, 2015 at 9:20 pm -      #55

    “Why would you possibly have a religion that worships a sociopath?

    …………..wait………………. never mind.”

    *in Kratos’ voice* ZEUS!
    ===
    “And, he becomes cyborg because high ground.”

    Obi-wan was the last jedi to master the ins and outs of the high ground. That how he beat Maul.
    ===
    Was the Sith Empire before or after the online game?

  56. Aelfinn November 28, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #56

    I swear I once calc’d how many Tyranids there were…does anyone remember what thread that was in?

  57. pimpmage November 28, 2015 at 10:35 pm -      #57

    Just divide the mass of a low end value like 5 billion planets by another low end of the mass of an elephant.

  58. pimpmage November 28, 2015 at 10:39 pm -      #58

    I did the math and got:
    10,971,672,801,642,003,061,486,195,019,463 Tyranids, or 1.097×10^30. Thats one Nonillion nids.
    Mass of earth times 5 billion.
    Converted weight of elephant to kg, then divided above number by elephant mass.

  59. Darth Bombad November 28, 2015 at 11:45 pm -      #59

    @Lowk
    “Was the Sith Empire before or after the online game?”

    During, that whole game is about fighting as/against the Sith Empire that’s in this match.
    The OP says this is from right before the war, the game starts 28 years after that.

  60. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 12:00 am -      #60

    “Jees……… @Grandmaster what makes you think that Tyranids can’t kill sith?”

    They can kill Sith just fine. The point I was trying to make was that the Tyranids are dealing with a Millions strong order of warrior monks with supernatural strength, durability, Speed, stamina, skill, magic, who are individually capable of turning the tide of a battle. They Nids can kill them, but they will have a hell of time doing it. Vitiate they can’t kill because he doesn’t need a physical body to exist.

    “Just divide the mass of a low end value like 5 billion planets by another low end of the mass of an elephant.”

    How are you getting 1 Nonillion Nids? That wouldn’t stack up with anything in 40K’s scale.

  61. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 1:11 am -      #61

    “10,971,672,801,642,003,061,486,195,019,463”

    That is a hilarious number
    – – –
    “Mass of earth times 5 billion.”

    Tyranids dont get the whole mass of the planet though, they leave the rock and magma behind, So the actual mass they get is considerably less than the one you used
    – – –
    “Converted weight of elephant to kg, then divided above number by elephant mass.”

    … why an elephant?
    – – –
    Also we dont know the density of the average nid. A single gaunt could hypothetically have more mass than an elephant.

  62. Friendlysociopath November 29, 2015 at 1:12 am -      #62

    Why would you possibly have a religion that worships a sociopath?

    Funnily enough, if I ever were to change my name it would be Benevolent Dictator.

    The point I was trying to make was that the Tyranids are dealing with a Millions strong order of warrior monks with supernatural strength, durability, Speed, stamina, skill, magic, who are individually capable of turning the tide of a battle.

    Are you talking about Jedi or Space Marines? Because that description almost entirely described both.

    That wouldn’t stack up with anything in 40K’s scale.

    To be fair, isn’t that the point of the Tyranids? There’s a lot of them and they eat everything in order to evolve past everything?

  63. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 1:16 am -      #63

    “Vitiate they can’t kill because he doesn’t need a physical body to exist.”

    DOOM OF MALAN’TAI
    Nid that eats souls.
    Mass produce a couple thousand of those, no probs.
    – – –
    “Benevolent Dictator.”

    hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehahahahahahahahahahahahahah
    – – –
    “Hive Fleet Leviathan”

    So this is the very limited number of nids that comprise leviathan, not ALL THE NIDS.

  64. mack006 November 29, 2015 at 4:02 am -      #64

    ” Millions strong order of warrior monks with supernatural strength, durability, Speed, stamina, skill, magic, who are individually capable of turning the tide of a battle.”

    So? 40k has worse, much worse then a couple of space monks.
    They have…
    Armies of giant green skinned aliens that could fight Space Marines in hand to hand combat and run on troll logic
    Race of evil undead robots with reality warping weapons
    CHAOS!
    Overzealous humans ranging from regular mooks to genetically enhanced super humans that could actually defeat Jedi in a fight.
    An advanced race of space elves with the ability to see into the future and make most force users look like pansies.
    And the Tyranids are slowly overwhelming all these enemies without much effort.

    Also, Doom of Malan’tai is now renamed as a Neurothrope and is a standard unit since the 6th codex. While it is not as strong, it still has many of it’s previous incarnation’s abilities. Plus it can be mass produced

  65. Neon Lord November 29, 2015 at 6:20 am -      #65

    “Also we dont know the density of the average nid. A single gaunt could hypothetically have more mass than an elephant.”

    The average gaunt weighs 0.2 tonnes (IA4: The Anphelion Project pg. 100).

    A Winged Tyranid Warrior weights 2.5 tons

    A Carnifex weights 8-9 tons.

    A Hierophant Bio-Titan weighs 51 tonnes.

  66. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 9:29 am -      #66

    “The average gaunt weighs 0.2 tonnes (IA4: The Anphelion Project pg. 100).

    A Winged Tyranid Warrior weights 2.5 tons

    A Carnifex weights 8-9 tons.

    A Hierophant Bio-Titan weighs 51 tonnes.”

    This information means absolutely nothing to me.

  67. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 10:46 am -      #67

    “Tyranids dont get the whole mass of the planet though, they leave the rock and magma behind, So the actual mass they get is considerably less than the one you used”

    You realize that I picked an extremely low end value of 5 billion to account for that right? I could have used a middle of the road value like 40-80 billion planets, or a higher end like 5 TRILLION planets. But I used 5 billion as the lowest lowest lowest lowest end for this exact reason. So people wont complain. But you seem to be complaining.

    “… why an elephant?”

    Because it is the largest land creature we have on this planet. Easy to lowball a number of nids with. A elephant weights on average of 6000 lbs. Thats 2721 kg.

    A gaunt being .2 tonnes would be 200 kg.
    A carnifex being 8 tones would be 8000 kg
    A winged tyranid warrior being 2.5 tonnes would be 2500 kg.

    You see why I picked an elephant to lowball now?

    “How are you getting 1 Nonillion Nids? That wouldn’t stack up with anything in 40K’s scale.”

    Yeah, it actually does match up with 40k scale. There are hundreds of thousands of billions of humans. There were the eldar that were several orders of magnitude higher than that before their fall too.

  68. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 10:52 am -      #68

    “You realize that I picked an extremely low end value of 5 billion to account for that right?”

    Obviously not. What kind of question is that?
    – – –
    “But you seem to be complaining.”

    eh, I’m British. It’s genetic.
    – – –
    “You see why I picked an elephant to lowball now?”

    Yes

  69. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 10:56 am -      #69

    “Are you talking about Jedi or Space Marines? Because that description almost entirely described both.”

    Sith. Except Sith are quite a bit more lethal than your average space marine.

    “To be fair, isn’t that the point of the Tyranids? There’s a lot of them and they eat everything in order to evolve past everything?”

    Half of Hive Fleet Leviathan was stopped on 1 planet. If they had nonillions of Nids they would have rolled over a single planet no matter the defenses.

    “DOOM OF MALAN’TAI
    Nid that eats souls.
    Mass produce a couple thousand of those, no probs.”

    The process to create The Doom was unique, they can’t mass produce him.

    “Overzealous humans ranging from regular mooks to genetically enhanced super humans that could actually defeat Jedi in a fight.”

    Regular humans can fight competently against Space Marines of all sorts, whereas only extremely skilled warriors can match a mediocre Jedi in combat. And there is also the force, which is kind of a trump card against any non-psychic opponent.

    “An advanced race of space elves with the ability to see into the future and make most force users look like pansies.”

    There average Warlocks are about even with average Sith except the Sith are all more physically powerful. There most powerful seers are on par with above average Sith but not in any way close to likes of the Dark Council or Vitiate.

    “And the Tyranids are slowly overwhelming all these enemies without much effort.”

    They really aren’t. The first Hive Fleet consumed a handful of systems before dying at Macragge, which only required a Battlefleet and the Ultramarines. The second Hive Fleet was doing well until they got crushed by a major Eldar fleet. Whenever one of the factions actually devotes more than token resources the Tyranids get crushed. The only exception being Octarius, which is a stalemate.

    “Also, Doom of Malan’tai is now renamed as a Neurothrope and is a standard unit since the 6th codex. While it is not as strong, it still has many of it’s previous incarnation’s abilities. Plus it can be mass produced”

    Neurothrope drains biological energies from a person. Only the Doom can drain Souls. Vitiate also has split his essence into multiple bodies which are all kept away from each other so it would be nearly impossible for the Doom to get all of his soul in 1 go. That is assuming that Vitiate doesn’t obliterate Doom the second he senses him.

  70. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 11:31 am -      #70

    “Except Sith are quite a bit more lethal than your average space marine”

    Proof?
    – – –
    “they can’t mass produce him”

    Proof?
    – – –
    “There average Warlocks are about even with average Sith except the Sith are all more physically powerful.”

    Proof?

  71. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #71

    “Proof?”

    Sith all have psychic abillities, most space marines don’t. All Sith have lightsabers, space marines don’t, Sith have shown supernatural strength and speed and in some cases durability on par with a space marine. So when taking into account their arsenal of force powrrs ranging from TK to lightning to mind control on top of their physical prowess I think it’s safe to say the average Sith is more powerful than the average marine.

    “Proof?”

    He got his powers by draining the infinity circuit of a Craftworld, not from the Hive Mind. And we have never seen a replication of the Doom which indicates the powers he gained can’t be copied by the Hive Mind.

  72. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 11:37 am -      #72

    “He got his powers by draining the infinity circuit of a Craftworld”

    Wait….. isnt it it’s powers that allowed it to do that in the first place?

  73. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 11:57 am -      #73

    “Half of Hive Fleet Leviathan was stopped on 1 planet. If they had nonillions of Nids they would have rolled over a single planet no matter the defenses.”

    The entire hive fleet was not at that one planet. The tyranid force that was broken on that planet was a SINGLE scouting party from the main HIVE FLEET. And they didn’t even kill all the tyranids during that fight. That scouting party broke into several smaller scouting parties and caused much more havok. Stop making shit up.

    “They really aren’t. The first Hive Fleet consumed a handful of systems before dying at Macragge, which only required a Battlefleet and the Ultramarines. The second Hive Fleet was doing well until they got crushed by a major Eldar fleet. Whenever one of the factions actually devotes more than token resources the Tyranids get crushed. The only exception being Octarius, which is a stalemate.”

    All these fights you read about people fighting against the tyranids, they are not even the main body of the tyranid broods. They are scouting tendrils. Akin to a finger on your hand opposed to the rest of your body.

    WILL YOU STOP FUCKING MODERATING MY MOTHERFUCKING POSTS!?!?!?!?!?

  74. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 11:59 am -      #74

    “Proof?”
    In terms of physical abillities, Eldar are faster than humans but aren’t any stronger or more durable. Force users consistently show greater durability, speed, and strength than humanly possible.

    Warlock’s Psychic Powers:
    Conceal-clouds the mind of an enemy. Pretty standard Sith power used by the Empire to prevent the Jedi from discovering them.
    Destructor-Very vague in it’s description from the codex but in Dawn of War and Dawn of War 2 it behaves like Force Lightning.

    Embolden-Boosts morale. Sith are well versed in mind control.

    Enhance-Boosts the ability of nearby warriors, Sith can do this to themselves but not others.

    Preventor- basically a psychic force field. Except while Sith can throw one up with little effort and can use it offensively Preventor takes a Warlock’s full concentration

    “Wait….. isnt it it’s powers that allowed it to do that in the first place?”

    Yes but he had to be in close proximity for it to work before. He is also described as a unique organism sent out by a hive fleet that was destroyed. Draining the Craftworld is what gave him a lot of his power.

  75. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 12:02 pm -      #75

    My comments keep getting moderated and this is pissing me the fuck off. I DIDNT EVEN HAVE ANY LINKS IN IT.

  76. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #76

    If you say the name of Roboute Guilliman’s chapter the moderation gets tripped.

  77. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 12:07 pm -      #77

    Ultramarines

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  78. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #78

    I didnt say that. No links.

  79. Rookie November 29, 2015 at 12:17 pm -      #79

    U ltramarines

    EDIT: it worked. If you need to mention smurfs write them like U ltramarines, otherwise it triggers moderation system, since U ltramarines right name is a famous word in rapists slang according to the system.

  80. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 12:22 pm -      #80

    Can we get a list of all things that would trip the moderation?

  81. Rookie November 29, 2015 at 12:24 pm -      #81

    @pimpmage

    “Can we get a list of all things that would trip the moderation?”

    You need to email Admin about it, maybe he can help. I sadly cannot help in this.

  82. Commissar Gaunt November 29, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #82

    You relise that the first time a Sith fights a Warrior class beast or above he is fighting on equal footing? Not to mention anything bigger. Another key is that Tyranids use all sorts of guns, venoms, planet terraformers, and psychic powers. The Tyranid Psychics could easily outclass most Sith, and the second a Sith gets Nomed on the Tyranids can start spawning force empowered ‘Nids.

  83. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 1:26 pm -      #83

    “You relise that the first time a Sith fights a Warrior class beast or above he is fighting on equal footing?”

    “The Tyranid Psychics could easily outclass most Sith,”

    Proof? With Harvard referencing pls

  84. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 2:44 pm -      #84

    “The entire hive fleet was not at that one planet. The tyranid force that was broken on that planet was a SINGLE scouting party from the main HIVE FLEET. And they didn’t even kill all the tyranids during that fight. That scouting party broke into several smaller scouting parties and caused much more havok. Stop making shit up.”

    I know that’s why I said half the Hive Fleet was on the planet. When Leviathan invaded the Galaxy it invaded in two tendrils. One of which was stopped at Tarsis Ultra. wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hive_Fleet_Leviathan

    “All these fights you read about people fighting against the tyranids, they are not even the main body of the tyranid broods. They are scouting tendrils. Akin to a finger on your hand opposed to the rest of your body.”

    But this is Hive Fleet Leviathan in this match, not the entire main Tyranid Fleet. Which has no official size, only a confirmation that it exists, so it could be any size.

    “You relise that the first time a Sith fights a Warrior class beast or above he is fighting on equal footing?”

    Why? Tyranid Warriors aren’t psychic so any Sith can use his power unrestricted, and Warriors have no speed feats to indicate they can fight competently against a Sith.

    “Not to mention anything bigger. Another key is that Tyranids use all sorts of guns, venoms, planet terraformers, and psychic powers.”

    There are more than just Sith in the Sith Empire, they have an army to.

    “The Tyranid Psychics could easily outclass most Sith, and the second a Sith gets Nomed on the Tyranids can start spawning force empowered ‘Nids.”

    Where? The only impressive psychic feat from the Tyranids is the Hive Mind repulsing psychic probing, they have no above average psychic feats from their rank and file. And while the Tyranids can possibly manipulate Medichlorians, that doesn’t necessarily mean they can create powerful force users off the bat. The Force isn’t like the warp, it requires training to do more than basic force powers where as training isn’t necessarily required to use powerful Warp powers.

  85. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 3:34 pm -      #85

    “I know that’s why I said half the Hive Fleet was on the planet. When Leviathan invaded the Galaxy it invaded in two tendrils. One of which was stopped at Tarsis Ultra.”

    Half the hive fleet was NOT on the planet. You are hella downplaying here with your lack of knowledge on the subject. That planet barely fended off a single finger of the hive fleet.

    “But this is Hive Fleet Leviathan in this match, not the entire main Tyranid Fleet. Which has no official size, only a confirmation that it exists, so it could be any size.”

    There is actually fluff that gives tyranid broods an estimate for their size. And I am talking about hive fleet leviathan here. Each brood seems to be coming at the galaxy from different angles. Which means they all originated from different galaxies. The astronomicon is a beacon for them to travel to this specific galaxy. Ever since the atronomicon went live, the tyranid broods came out of dormancy, traveling to the milky way galaxy. Meaning they all spent 10k years to reach this galaxy from different directions. Meaning they all have devoured a galaxy minimum before being lured to this one. In the fluff, inquisitors and scientists believe several galaxies could have been devoured by these broods before they came to eat the milky way galaxy.

  86. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 4:11 pm -      #86

    “Which means they all originated from different galaxies”

    Or… like.. the main fleet just….. surrounded the galaxy before attacking….. that’s at least a possibility right?

    Considering how long it took behemoth to get from the galactic rim to Ultramar.

    They move at a pretty decent speed…. the main fleet doesnt even have to necessarily have surrounded the galaxy….. just like, go around the edge and then attack…. ad Leviathan came up from the bottom, it could easily have been dispatched the same time behemoth was but just attacked later….

    I mean…. is there actually a source that says they all came from different galaxies??

  87. LadyRamkin November 29, 2015 at 4:15 pm -      #87

    ultramar

  88. GrandMaster November 29, 2015 at 5:05 pm -      #88

    “Half the hive fleet was NOT on the planet. You are hella downplaying here with your lack of knowledge on the subject. That planet barely fended off a single finger of the hive fleet.”

    Did you read the link I posted? First and second paragraph detail how Leviathan moved into the Galaxy and how part of it was stopped at Tarsis Ultra.

  89. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 5:07 pm -      #89

    “I mean…. is there actually a source that says they all came from different galaxies??”

    Some of the uniqueness between tyranid broods would support the fact they came from different galaxies too. They all evolved seperately, they all have unique color schemes unique to their hives.
    The big ones out of the Codex are Leviathan, which is the white skin and black/purple carapace the one GW uses all over the place, Kraken, Red carapace and bone colored skin, and Behemoth, blue/black carapace and red skin.

    All the hive fleets are like different races from the same species. Different human races evolved slightly different, like caucasian, chinese, african, etc.

    imgur.com/a/JVCQa

  90. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 29, 2015 at 5:53 pm -      #90

    “Some of the uniqueness between tyranid broods would support the fact they came from different galaxies too. ”
    – That would also support the idea of them all coming from a single planet, like you said. Or a single solar system, or a single galaxy.

  91. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 6:17 pm -      #91

    “That would also support the idea of them all coming from a single planet, like you said. Or a single solar system, or a single galaxy.”

    Oh master of the obvious, you are so smart. No fucking shit they all started somewhere, they are all tyranids. They obviously started at some origin, expanded seperately, and came back to look for the astronomicon. They all approached different sides of the galaxy with 10k years of travel time. They even showed up centuries apart from eachother. They came from different galaxies. Further supported by the lack of a common color scheme. Showing they have been evolving separately for a long time.

    Do you have anything of value to add? Or must I keep treating you like a child?

  92. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 29, 2015 at 6:26 pm -      #92

    Yeah, Pimp, none of that stuff backs up what you want it to, it no more supports them coming from separate galaxies than it supports they came from the same galaxy and split up. Just pointing out how obviously vacuous your comments are at this point :)

    “They have different color schemes therefore they come from different galaxies because… humans have different colored skin and come from different galaxies… right?” Hahaha

  93. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #93

    That’s what I thought, you are completely unable to bring anything to any discussion. You cant even think for yourself. Two white parents cant have a black child. Dominant genes are not there for that. Keep believing in your own bullshit.

  94. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 29, 2015 at 6:40 pm -      #94

    “You cant even think for yourself. Two white parents cant have a black child. Dominant genes are not there for that. Keep believing in your own bullshit.”
    – Very good, Pimp, you have the basics of genetics down. Now explain how a species separated by an entire galaxy could come together and still look exactly like each other. Is it even that hard to understand? The Nids are separated by galaxies and the only different between them is the same one humans have after being separated be a few thousand miles/km? What? That clearly supports the idea of different galaxies rather than a single galaxy, somehow, right? Fuckin’ loser.

  95. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 6:51 pm -      #95

    “Now explain how a species separated by an entire galaxy could come together and still look exactly like each other.”

    The tyranids have base templates they adjust for specific scenerios. Too cold on this planet? Add fat reserves on ground units. Water world? Give ground units gills and fins. Enemy unapproachable by land? Give units wings. Enemies use lasers alot? Give units heat resistant chitin.

    They use different colors to differentiate brood, but they use the same templates. If that isn’t enough for you, I’ll just assume you never passed high school science classes.

    “Fuckin’ loser.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOphGZZrE44

  96. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 29, 2015 at 7:17 pm -      #96

    “They use different colors to differentiate brood, but they use the same templates. If that isn’t enough for you”
    – That does not make any sense. On a planet like Neptune a template like the Warrior would be a horribly wasteful design choice (ya know, 2,400 km/h winds blow piece of glass vertically and all.) This is just one aspect, too, the higher gravity, its magnetic field, multiple moons, the Tyranids that evolved to fight on this planet would be vastily different than the brood evolved for Mars, or Earth.

    Fuck dude, have you seen the difference between a surface shark, like the Great White, and a deep sea shark, like the Goblin Shark? The only huge differences between these two species can be basically reduced to type of prey, external pressure, and sunlight exposure and look how radically different they are. But no, yeah, totally, species can grow entire planets apart and still be identical.

  97. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 7:40 pm -      #97

    Ok, quarrels aside, you have to realize that a counterargument with zero weight behind it will not stand against an argument with attributed logic and sound reasoning. You seem to believe that a counterargument no matter how BS is just as valid as a sound one like mine. You are absolutely pathetic. Please bring something solid to the table to refute me, or get off my dick. I know you like getting pounded, but I gotta rest between these sessions.

    So either bring facts to the contrary, or suck my fucking dick nerd. Your devils advocate attitude changes nothing if you don’t back any of it up.

  98. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 29, 2015 at 7:51 pm -      #98

    “You seem to believe that a counterargument no matter how BS is just as valid as a sound one like mine.”
    – Quarrels aside, Pimp, I am telling you, you have no valid points. Different pigmentation doesn’t back up your opinion that they devoured multiple galaxies, or that they’ve even been to multiple galaxies. Humans have different skin pigmentation and, as far as I know, we have not devoured entire galaxies. Please, PROVE your point with actual canon and not plain conjecture or shut up. Different pigmentation doesn’t support the opinion they evolved in separate galaxies, it doesn’t even support the opinion they evolved on separate planets. Yet all the Broods from all the other galaxies join up and the only notable difference is pigmentation. Nope, prove it with canon, Pimp.

    And, for the tenth time, you completely ignored all points I made and opted instead for an ad hominem. Do you even read the argument I put forward or do you just feel the need to insult me when I don’t agree with your flawed-as-all-hell argument?

    “you have to realize that a counterargument with zero weight behind it will not stand against an argument with attributed logic and sound reasoning.”
    – Your version of “sound reasoning” would also suggest humanity has conquered entire galaxies because, fuck, we have blacks and whites and yellows and reds, more difference than the nids even! Oh, what? That makes absolutely no logic whatsoever? Right. I almost realized that was a rational argument until my middle-school brother reminded me that its fucking stupid.

  99. pimpmage November 29, 2015 at 8:19 pm -      #99

    “And, for the tenth time, you completely ignored all points ”

    Because for the tenth time, you points hold absolutely no weight.

    “opted instead for an ad hominem.”

    You keep bringing this up like it matters at all. No one gives a shit if you have your feelings hurt.I am not basing the superiority of my arguments on the fact that you are a complete retard. I am simply stating that you are a retard, and you don’t know how to refute arguments.

    “Do you even read the argument I put forward or do you just feel the need to insult me when I don’t agree with your flawed-as-all-hell argument?”

    You are not making arguements. You are playing devils advocate yet reinforcing none of your own points. You are pointless to talk to.

    “Hurr durr I’m a retarded debater”

    Yes, yes you are.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmn3Gwn3oI

  100. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable November 29, 2015 at 8:27 pm -      #100

    “Because for the tenth time, you points hold absolutely no weight.”
    – Wow, you said that while running away from them so it must be true.

    “You keep bringing this up like it matters at all. No one gives a shit if you have your feelings hurt.”
    – Yeah, I do it less for you to know you hurt my feelings and more so to let you know that you just commit fallacy after fallacy while running away from my points that are apparently so weak a retard could break them. See how that only makes you look like less than a retard, Pimp?

    “You are not making arguements.”
    – So that is a no to my question then, good to know any further correspondence will go unread. You are literally pointless to talk to.

    Keep running from my “weak points”, Pimp, it only makes you look like the stronger of us, hahaha.

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