Warden Eternal Vs General Grievous

Warden Eternal Vs General Grievous

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Warden Eternal (Halo) will go up against General Grievous (Star Wars)

Round 1: only Clone Wars and movies feats allowed for Grievous.

Round 2: EU feats allowed, but Warden gets two more of his bodies to help him.

Who will win?

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29 Comments on "Warden Eternal Vs General Grievous"

  1. Ober's Here November 3, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #1

    Warden has some pretty significant ranged attacks. The biggest issues for Grievous is the EMP one. Unless he has some resistance to EMP, he’s going down. He also has similar constraint field tech to that of the Didact. Though he only uses it once on Chief, he’s still able to effortlessly…constrain him. Basically he has telekinesis.

    As for sword on sword, I’d guess that the lightsaber would eventually go through the Warden’s Blade, but we really don’t know what his durability is. He casually tanks constant fire from tanks and heavy anti-vehicle weaponry, something Grievous can’t do.

    Even with EU Grievous, three Wardens all firing EMP blasts off are going to most likely take him down before he can take them down.

    I just don’t see this going for Grievous any way. EMP + Constraint fields alone put this in the Warden’s favor. Add in his durability, and it doesn’t see likely Grevious is gonna win.

  2. Ninja Lowk November 3, 2015 at 2:31 am -      #2

    Didn’t the wardan constrain all of Blue Team?
    ===
    Man I should used the Warden in my suggestion. Oh well.

  3. Ober's Here November 3, 2015 at 3:15 am -      #3

    Be warned that the video I’m posting, and parts of my post will contain major spoilers for Halo 5. Don’t read on or watch the video if you don’t want it spoiled.

    Seriously.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7itmX6WlI4

    The bit with him constraining Chief happens at about 1:57:44.

    I only played it solo, and since the scene happens in first person, I don’t know if he restrained all of Blue Team or just Chief. However, it seems likely he restrained them all. I’ll dig for a co-op video or play it co-op sometime tomorrow to figure that out.

    Either way, he’s a pretty damn strong combatant. I haven’t even mentioned all his powers. The biggest one being that he has close to if not infinite bodies. Hence his name. I know they mention at least him having millions of bodies. All of which seem to have the same durability and power.

  4. mack006 November 3, 2015 at 7:33 am -      #4

    How can a lightsabre eventually break a hardlight barrier? It is a barrier of hardened light so technically speaking, it cannot be melted apart. Also how hot are lightsabres when compared to Halo plasma?

  5. Ober's Here November 3, 2015 at 10:03 am -      #5

    @Mack
    I was just going off the assumption. I’m not really sure, since Hardlight isn’t always consistent in it durability.

    Although, if his blade is able to take the Lightsaber, I could easily see him battering Grievous down with successive hits. Warden is strong as hell.

  6. mack006 November 3, 2015 at 8:17 pm -      #6

    Welp that was fast, I guess warden wins this

  7. GrandMaster November 3, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #7

    Round 1 idk because I haven’t seen any feats outside gameplay for the Warden other than copying himself. But round 2 Grievous should speed blitz. Also EMP won’t work on Grievous as his metal parts are all mechanical and not electronic.

  8. erickyboo November 4, 2015 at 2:46 am -      #8

    Warden Eternal did use the constraint fields on all of blue team.

    Warden all the way. I can imagine them two talking, then warden just shooting out of his face surprising grevious. But uh, warden’s sword is pretty long…

  9. the_man_with The_Answers November 4, 2015 at 7:34 pm -      #9

    I’d say the Warden using constraint fields would be something he wouldn’t do in a match like this according to his CIS. Even though he clearly has those capabilities, he chose not to use them in multiple engagements with both Osiris and Blue Team, only choosing to use them once.

    Grievous’ main problem is that his opponent is significantly taller than him with a fairly long blade and a couple devastating ranged attacks. It is going to be incredibly hard for him to get close enough to do anything. I’d also wager that Forerunner metals have some level of resistance to a lightsaber, at least compared to typical materials. Not completely resistant, but I’d doubt a lightsaber would cut through it like butter. Materials like hardlight are probably immune though.

  10. Mea quidem sententia November 4, 2015 at 9:05 pm -      #10

    If hard light was what protected Master Chief when he manually activated the HAVOK Tactical Nuclear Weapon, then I don’t think the lightsaber is going to do much of anything to this weapon. The nuclear weapon had a yield of 30 megatons.

  11. Super Combine November 4, 2015 at 9:29 pm -      #11

    Hardlight has varying levels of resistance depending on the power source. Knights are made of hardlight yet are considerably weaker than the thin blue hardlight walls that protected Chief or the random hardlight walls/floors on the Mantles Approach. It’s all about how much power is emitted to keep it up.

    The Warden Eternal drones so far (afaik) only have one durability showing in a cutscene, in which they shrug off armor piercing rounds from Blue Team (including 14.5mm anti-material rounds from Linda’s sniper rifle).

    That being said, are his drones ever even truly destroyed? I thought they just make an emergency slipspace jump whenever they get too damaged.

  12. Mea quidem sententia November 4, 2015 at 10:23 pm -      #12

    It’d be nice if I could find out the muzzle velocity and grain of each weapon from the Blue Team. I know of the list, but not the important details to actually determine how much energy is being produced.

  13. GrandMaster November 4, 2015 at 11:44 pm -      #13

    “Grievous’ main problem is that his opponent is significantly taller than him with a fairly long blade and a couple devastating ranged attacks. It is going to be incredibly hard for him to get close enough to do anything. I’d also wager that Forerunner metals have some level of resistance to a lightsaber, at least compared to typical materials. Not completely resistant, but I’d doubt a lightsaber would cut through it like butter. Materials like hardlight are probably immune though.”

    TV Grievous will have trouble with that, as he doesn’t exactly have very many good feats other than strength which I’m going to assume the Warden has him beat in. But, EU Grievous was incredibly quick, and should be able to get past the Warden’s guard.

    “That being said, are his drones ever even truly destroyed? I thought they just make an emergency slipspace jump whenever they get too damaged.”

    I figured that like other Promethean Constrcts, once the Warden takes enough damage he disintegrates.

  14. erickyboo November 4, 2015 at 11:59 pm -      #14

    John was teleported. The ship was becoming unstable or something then performed an emergency slip space jump.

    i.imgur.com/kT6qkDs.jpg look at the size of that thing! I doubt even with EU grevious would be able to outspeed that thing at close range while Warden has his big sword.
    Gameplay wise he’s pretty much invulnerable to most weapons seemingly but his back has like a core and when he dies he like is sucked into someSlip space looking vortex.

  15. Ober's Here November 5, 2015 at 3:03 am -      #15

    I was actually wondering what that whole orb on his back is even suppose to be. It looks and acts like a little mini-slipspace portal, especially when he “dies”, but we don’t really know.

    Also, is there any source on the Promethean Knights blades? Are they just sharp blades that the Knights put a lot of force behind, or is there some kind of heat or disintegrating effect behind them?

    Spoilers ahead ye have been warned

    I’m also inclined to believe the CIS argument for constrain fields, though you could argue that Cortana was holding him back. Plus the whole arrogance thing, which may not exist against Grevious.

  16. GrandMaster November 5, 2015 at 9:14 am -      #16

    “i.imgur.com/kT6qkDs.jpg look at the size of that thing! I doubt even with EU grevious would be able to outspeed that thing at close range while Warden has his big sword.”

    Grievous was capable of delivering 20 strikes per second, nothing I’ve seen of the Warden shows he can block that quickly.

  17. Friendlysociopath November 5, 2015 at 9:47 am -      #17

    Grievous was capable of delivering 20 strikes per second, nothing I’ve seen of the Warden shows he can block that quickly.

    For one thing- in that scenario there are 3 Wardens.
    For another- they had to build up to those speeds, they didn’t just go from a dead-stop to 20 strikes.
    For yet one more- Grievous himself actually can’t control his strikes at that speed since all Obi-wan did was alter an attack and Grievous cut his own arms off.

  18. Nsl98 November 5, 2015 at 10:36 am -      #18

    For yet one more- Grievous himself actually can’t control his strikes at that speed since all Obi-wan did was alter an attack and Grievous cut his own arms off.

    Huh? Didn’t Obi do all the cutting?
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=7oGf-a1Dqlc

    ^I don’t see GG cutting off his own arms anywhere in that fight (which starts at 1:50).

  19. Friendlysociopath November 5, 2015 at 10:59 am -      #19

    ^I don’t see GG cutting off his own arms anywhere in that fight (which starts at 1:50).

    The 20 strikes per second was an EU thing- so no- you’re not going to see it in the movie fight.

  20. Nsl98 November 5, 2015 at 11:11 am -      #20

    The 20 strikes per second was an EU thing- so no- you’re not going to see it in the movie fight.

    K. So which EU book does it say he cut his own arm off? I’m looking at the ROTS novel right now, and nowhere does it say that GG cut his arm off. Then again, there isn’t any mention of 20 strikes per second either.

  21. Nsl98 November 5, 2015 at 11:23 am -      #21

    I take back my above comment. I was looking at the wrong ROTS novel, lol.

    Here’s the quote:
    Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks—sixteen per second, eighteen—until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan’s defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack. A subtle shift in the angle of a single parry brought Obi-Wan’s blade in contact not with the blade of the oncoming lightsaber, but with the handgrip.

    So even in the EU, Obi still cut GG’s arms off, not Grievous himself.

  22. Friendlysociopath November 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm -      #22

    So even in the EU, Obi still cut GG’s arms off, not Grievous himself.

    Sigh
    NS, you read your own quote right? Envision the attack and think about it for a second.

    “A subtle shift in the angle of a single parry”
    parry
    Obi-Wan shifted his block a little and Grievous couldn’t stop in time, which caused the Obi-Wan’s saber to hit the hand-grip and the hand behind it. Grievous was going too fast.

    There are more than 4 different techniques in modern fencing that are actually made to do something similar; this is not some rare and unknown move known only to masters.

    “The blade winked out of existence a hairbreadth before it would have burned through Obi-Wan’s forehead.”
    The blow was aiming for Obi-Wan’s skull in an overhead arc, instead of blocking Grievous’ blade he blocked a little lower and his blade hit Grievous’ hilt/hand instead of the blade. Which then caused the weapon to cease before it hit Obi-Wan.

    “Obi-Wan used his defense to attack”
    This is all but spelled out how the bladeplay went- if you go to college take some fencing classes- it really helps when reading sword-based fight scenes.

    And none of that at all defeats my original 2nd point, which is that Grievous has to work up to that speed. He doesn’t go from a dead-stop to 20 strikes a second.

  23. Nsl98 November 5, 2015 at 12:48 pm -      #23

    Obi-Wan shifted his block a little and Grievous couldn’t stop in time, which caused the Obi-Wan’s saber to hit the hand-grip and the hand behind it. Grievous was going too fast.

    Um, ok? I never said otherwise. You originally said this:
    “For yet one more- Grievous himself actually can’t control his strikes at that speed since all Obi-wan did was alter an attack and Grievous cut his own arms off.

    My post(s) were in response to that part^. I could care less about whether or not GG can control his combat speed. All I wanted to do was point out that Grievous didn’t cut his own arms off as you said he did. Kenobi was the one who cut his arms off in both the movie and the novel adaptation.

  24. Friendlysociopath November 5, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #24

    All I wanted to do was point out that Grievous didn’t cut his own arms off as you said he did.

    Grievous willingly moved his arms through the space Obi-Wan’s lightsaber was in; he cut off his own arm using Obi-Wan’s lightsaber.
    My statement was correct, your interpretation of it was not.

    I could care less about whether or not GG can control his combat speed.

    That makes you appear quite petty but as you wish.

  25. GrandMaster November 5, 2015 at 4:30 pm -      #25

    “For one thing- in that scenario there are 3 Wardens.”

    Grievous has dueled and defeated 5 Jedi simultaneously, 3 of which were accomplished Jedi Masters, so he won’t have trouble against multiple Wardens in close combat.

    “For another- they had to build up to those speeds, they didn’t just go from a dead-stop to 20 strikes.”

    He doesn’t need to build up to 20 strikes per second to break the Warden’s guard and get a strike in. The Warden hasn’t shown any skill with his blade other than basic slicing.

  26. erickyboo November 7, 2015 at 9:12 pm -      #26

    You do realize his big his sword is? How large Warden is? It’s like… Saying that grevious can parry a truck. What’s he going to do too? Strike and the armoured areas? Warden also has a sort of stomp shockwave ability too…

  27. GrandMaster November 8, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #27

    “You do realize his big his sword is? How large Warden is? It’s like… Saying that grevious can parry a truck. What’s he going to do too? Strike and the armoured areas? Warden also has a sort of stomp shockwave ability too…”

    Grievous is strong enough to shatter a Phrik MagnaGuard staff with his fist, I haven’t seen the Warden display that level of striking strength beyond estimation based on his size. And he may not even be able to hit Grievous, as he consistently speed-blitzes Jedi and can move faster than the naked eye can see. The Shockwave ability wont be a problem, all it did to Firetram Osiris was knock them back, it didn’t even break their shields or daze them. Grievous’ chassis is capable of tanking multiple shots from star fighter cannons.

  28. Tyran December 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm -      #28

    Disney Grievous is boned, he never showed nothing spectacular.

    But EU one was absurdly fast and can win… assuming the ranged attacks don’t kill him.

  29. Oh, Answerer Of The Unanswerable December 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm -      #29

    “Grievous is strong enough to shatter a Phrik MagnaGuard staff with his fist”
    – How much strength would that imply?

    “And he may not even be able to hit Grievous, as he consistently speed-blitzes Jedi and can move faster than the naked eye can see.”
    – The former isn’t that impressive (Jedi are majorly wanked up), and the latter is a mute point given that the Warden can move faster than the naked eye too.

    “The Shockwave ability wont be a problem, all it did to Firetram Osiris was knock them back, it didn’t even break their shields or daze them.”
    – Nope, it knocked out their shields and left them dazed.

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