Kill The Hulk

Kill The Hulk

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Kill The Hulk

World Breaker Hulk (Marvel) has been teleported to a deserted and indestructible planet. Teams have been dispatched to kill him consisting of fighters from different universes. The first team to kill the Hulk wins.

Team 1:
One Punch Man
Broly (DBZ)
Vash The Stampede (Manga)
Minato Namikaze (Naruto)
Killy (Blame!)

Team 2:
Godzilla
Optimus Prime (Transformers)
Colossal Titan (Attack on Titan)
Gamera
Bahamut (Forgotten Realms)

Team 3:
Yasha (Asura’s Wrath)
Raiden (Metal Gear)
Deathwing (Warcraft)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)
Gilgamesh (Fate/Stay game)

Team 4:
Doctor Doom
Dr Fate (DC)
Rand al’ Thor (Wheel of Time)
Darquesse
Zeref Dragneel (Fairy Tail)

Who will win?

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120 Comments on "Kill The Hulk"

  1. asterion137 November 2, 2015 at 12:13 am -      #1

    going with team mage for teleportation for now

  2. Takura20 November 2, 2015 at 12:38 am -      #2

    “Gilgamesh (Fate/Stay Game)”? Do you mean Fate/Extra? or Fate/Extra CCC?

  3. Alpha or Omega November 2, 2015 at 12:57 am -      #3

    Kill the Hulk?
    Seriously
    /
    I feel like 4/5 of the people here are incapable of killing Hulks weaker than World Breaker Hulk.
    /
    If I were a betting man, it would be team 4 because of balefire or possibly Dr. Fate.
    Doctor Doom lost his godliness after Secret Wars, but could do some magic-y stuff.
    Don’t know Doom too well other than that he’s handsome now.
    /
    See you guys tomorrow.

  4. Neon Lord November 2, 2015 at 2:34 am -      #4

    Team 2 doesn’t stand a chance.

    Saitama can probably BFR Hulk into space at the very least.

    Is Hulk immune to matter manipulation? Darquesse could scatter his atoms, or turn him into a chair.

  5. Numinous One November 2, 2015 at 2:50 am -      #5

    Yeah mages probably get this.

    Rand is Rand.
    Darquesse has atomic fuckery.
    Not familiar with current comic people tbh.
    All of the above have free reign while Zeref stops time.

  6. ExperimentAlpha November 2, 2015 at 4:31 am -      #6

    I wouldn’t discount team 2 entirely – they do have Bahamut. Bahamut still probably wouldn’t do crap to the Hulk in the long run, though; I forget if it had any spells worth noting….
    ~
    Team 1 has a chance – what is the level of sheer overkill that Saitama can output at maximum, no stops? Can it /atomize/ the hulk in one go?
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    Team 3….I doubt could kill the hulk quickly enough to get around his regeneration.
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    Team 4 has the best chance out of anyone. Mages en masse, with the aforementioned time stop…..There’s a saying in my D&D circles that a wizard can destroy and then re-create the uinverse in a single full-round action.

  7. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 6:07 am -      #7

    Probably 4.

    They can all kill him.. but magic hax probably lets them do it first.

  8. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 6:09 am -      #8

    Don’t know Doom too well other than that he’s handsome now.

    Well his magic shield can tank repulsor blasts and Hulkbuster hits:
    3.bp.blogspot.com/-E_D_Dcr130Y/VieDNe4t_gI/AAAAAAARekQ/eAX1cuH1iic/s1600/23_02.jpg
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-DTm0v0N2wGg/VieDOLsrsyI/AAAAAAARekc/FWkpl_ra77w/s1600/23_04.jpg

    But WWH trashed the Hulkbuster fairly easily….

    Victor teleports Stark to the Bronx:
    2.bp.blogspot.com/-bexzMEkgwUc/VieDQHfdE-I/AAAAAAARek8/6nIaTeqYge0/s1600/23_10.jpg

    Team 5 cuz Dr. Fate.

  9. Jake_Uzumaki November 2, 2015 at 6:28 am -      #9

    @Nsl98
    True the old Hulkbuster couldn’t do it, but this is the new all the armors combined into one armor so we don’t know about it yet.
    ————————–
    Anyway, Doom implies that he still has all the sorcerous capability he had before Secret Wars and he was second to only Dr. Strange in magic, he should prove able to be prove useful on that front, plus…actually knowing the Hulk will prove a serious boon to his team.

  10. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets November 2, 2015 at 7:51 am -      #10

    Team 1 doesn’t seem too likely to me, but I don’t know much about Killy and Broly might be able to do it. Minato can probably keep his distance, but overall probably couldn’t do much to Hulk and while Saitama is strong and fast he’s nothing compared to what Hulk’s faced.
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    Team 2 also doesn’t seem very likely, but Bahumat and Gamera are unknowns to me. Colossal Titan and Optimus Prime probably go down hard with Godzilla most likely being the only real threat to Hulk.
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    Team 3 might be able to do it, mostly due to Yasha being an FTL casual planet buster from Asura’s Wrath. After watching Fate/Stay NIght Gilgamesh doesn’t really seem like someone who can pack the type of firepower needed to put Hulk down and I’ve never heard anything of Sephy or Raiden having it either. Deathwing’s an unknown to me.
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    Team 4 is the most likely bet in my opinion. Doom while having lost his godhood is still a very powerful mage, having shown the ability to teleport people to without them wanting to recently, Dr. Fate would probably depend on the incarnation being used, but most would be hax enough to deal with Hulk. The other three are unknown to me, but from what I’ve heard of Rand he can just burn the Hulk into oblivion with some fire stuff.
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    “Is Hulk immune to matter manipulation? ”

    Pretty sure he has some feats, IIRC one of his foes tried to turn him into a gas and failed and I think the High Evolutionary tried and failed and I recall someone trying to turn him into a diamond and failing. Not 100% sure though.

  11. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 9:21 am -      #11

    I think we can confirm that on Team 1, at least Brolly has the ability to kill him.

    He could likely do it very, very, very quickly. He gives Team 1 a really good chance.

    Team 2’s Godzilla and Bahamut and Optimus are the best options.

    Assuming Optimus can’t Matrix Hulk away or assuming that we’re using a lower tier version of him, that removes him from being competitive.

    Godzilla, assuming he won’t just get infinitely more powerful just from fighting Hulk, would probably take a short while to kill him. This renders him non-competitive.

    Bahamut is a god, if I recall. But I don’t know what all he can do. My understanding is he’d be able to kill Hulk pretty easily. This is Team 2’s best shot.

    Team 3 I have no commentary on.

    Team 4 has… well pretty much constant magic bullshittery and hax out the ass. I don’t know if any of them can drop the same kind of punch that Team 1 and Team 2 can, as I don’t know very much about them in terms of raw fire power, but I do know they can do alllll kinds of nonsense.

    Their ability to fuck with reality, time, ect gives them the shop at winning. Both in beating Hulk fast, kill stealing from other teams, or mucking up the other teams.

  12. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 9:50 am -      #12

    Hulk tanks matter repelling beams:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/15/150339/3555865-3602699418-10180.jpg

    Hulk lolnopes a shrink Ray:
    i.imgur.com/cLFCu9c.jpg

    This one is interesting:
    i.imgur.com/lwRgoaS.jpg

    More in next post

  13. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 9:55 am -      #13

    Tanks a sustained beam of energy that was used to mold adamantium:
    i.imgur.com/3HWOAnc.jpg
    i.imgur.com/yA6Sx4J.jpg
    i.imgur.com/qJSc0wO.jpg

    Hulk can fight despite being turned to stone:
    i.imgur.com/hL6Td6S.jpg

  14. Klondike Bar November 2, 2015 at 9:59 am -      #14

    More to find out stuff about the hulk but can he resist mind control? Rand does know compulsion and could try to calm him down. Mainly just if he somehow resists all of the other hax.

  15. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 10:22 am -      #15

    Professor X fails against Hulk’s mind:
    i.imgur.com/HjKmdLc.png

    Comet Man is physically hurt trying to enter Hulk’s mind:
    i.imgur.com/repmWUJ.jpg

    Man Beast mind rapes High Evolutionary:
    i.imgur.com/4arf8Yr.png

    Fails against Hulk:
    i.imgur.com/aXVVHzB.jpg

  16. Klondike Bar November 2, 2015 at 10:31 am -      #16

    Hmm. Thanks for the info. Honestly probably if the hax could not kill hulk then they would probably already be dead.

  17. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 10:54 am -      #17

    Found some cool Hulk speed feats.

    Pimp slaps Quicksilver:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33200/3055200-8980593835-26155.jpg

    ^Quicksilver has stated that he could outrun lightning back when he was a kid.

    Catches Cap’s shield and blocking an Iron Man repulsor:
    i.imgur.com/ms9ANqp.jpg

    Iron Man repulsor speed:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11111/111118857/4228054-2683134667-repul.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111118857/4228056-2267150898-Comic.jpg

  18. Rookie November 2, 2015 at 11:17 am -      #18

    @Sauroposeidon

    “Godzilla”

    Current comics G blow up the Earth during his battle against Space G and opened dimension rift which sended him to heavens dimension.

    @ExperimentAlpha

    Welcome to BankGambling!

  19. Ninja Lowk November 2, 2015 at 11:52 am -      #19

    “Pimp slaps Quicksilver:”

    Wasn’t he only sonic speed back then? Iirc something happened later on to boost his speed past that.

  20. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 11:58 am -      #20

    @Lowk
    Idk. Pietro himself said it:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111205648/4259078-2787230-1608652_thor_vs_quicksilver_01_super.jpg

  21. Amm0vamp1r3 November 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #21

    I think team 1, 3 or 4 have the best chances. Broly could possibly kill the hulk with his planet+ level blast

    Yasha and Raiden maybe able to also

    4 has all the magic people so…yeah

  22. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #22

    I think team 1, 3 or 4 have the best chances. Broly could possibly kill the hulk with his planet+ level blast

    A weaker incarnation of Hulk tanked slamming into an asteroid twice the size of earth:
    www.incrediblehulkonline.com/asteroidstrength.jpg

    Yasha and Raiden maybe able to also

    I can get behind Yasha, him being from Asura’s Wrath and all. But Raiden? Why? How would he even go about hurting Hulk?

    Hulk heals faster than he can notice:
    i.imgur.com/yXUtV1N.jpg

    Wolverine notes that he heals faster than he can inflict the injuries with his claws:
    i.imgur.com/cAaZj9K.jpg

  23. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets November 2, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #23

    “Broly could possibly kill the hulk with his planet+ level blast”

    Like Nsl showed, Hulk’s weakest incarnation could survive planetary destruction. Stronger incarnations like Green Scar were tanking Sentry’s hits, without him holding back. Holding back he can shred worlds.
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    “Yasha and Raiden maybe able to also”

    Yasha, yes. Raiden, how?
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    Also, Hulk and G Man are probably going to constantly feed off of each other, so Kaiju sized World Breaker anyone?

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/71420/2047230-hulks635_p2.jpg
    =
    Which Dr. Fate is this? Cus there’s current N52 Earth 2 and one from his own series who I don’t know where he’s from, then there’s PostC, etc.

  24. Friendlysociopath November 2, 2015 at 1:47 pm -      #24

    Yasha, yes. Raiden, how?

    His sword cuts through atoms, meaning in theory he can cut through Hulk no matter his durability.
    So it’s possible he could simply cut through Hulk and get the heart/brain.

    Hulk and G Man are probably going to constantly feed off of each other, so Kaiju sized World Breaker anyone?

    Question- I brought this up elsewhere and heard Hulk only absorbs Gamma Radiation- which isn’t what Godzilla gives off. True or False?

  25. Rookie November 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm -      #25

    @Friendlysociopath

    “His sword cuts through atoms, meaning in theory he can cut through Hulk no matter his durability.”

    Armstrong was able to ignore block his sword though.

  26. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #26

    So it’s possible he could simply cut through Hulk and get the heart/brain.

    Hulk’s insides are actually pretty durable:
    i.imgur.com/JJAsBlf.jpg
    i.imgur.com/zAAjaqS.jpg

    Is unaffected by Vision phasing through him:
    i.imgur.com/VV2SnYy.jpg

    And how fast is Raiden again? Despite what some may think, Hulk isn’t that slow.

    Reacts to Sentry while he’s blitzing:
    i.imgur.com/xAXNA2z.jpg

    Even in his early days he could dodge bullets from close range from multiple shooters:
    i.imgur.com/RIj4SPY.jpg

  27. Amm0vamp1r3 November 2, 2015 at 2:12 pm -      #27

    A weaker incarnation of Hulk tanked slamming into an asteroid twice the size of earth:

    Is that not an outlier considering all the times he has been stunned/KO’d and/or hurt by much less damage? Or are the other times he has been stunned/KO’d and/or hurt by much less damage the outliers?

    But Raiden? Why? How would he even go about hurting Hulk?

    The haxness of his HF sword probably considering spiderman has been able to atleast stun the hulk on a few occasions. Raiden shouldn’t be much of a surprise

    Green Scar were tanking Sentry’s hits, without him holding back. Holding back he can shred worlds.

    That always struck me as weird, he said he wasn’t holding back. Yet the planet was still intact after he was done, not only that the city they were in wasn’t completely obliterated either if I remember right

    Armstrong was able to ignore block his sword though.

    That was special technology though, I mean even wolverine can slice up the hulk right? Raiden should be able to do something then considering his has vibration going for it + his insane strength


    EDIT: This World Breaker hulk, my bad. I thought this was just regular base hulk. So forget the spiderman and what not, Raiden probably can’t do much here nor yasha or broly

    World Breaker was insane

  28. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 2:18 pm -      #28

    “Current comics G blow up the Earth during his battle against Space G and opened dimension rift which sended him to heavens dimension.”

    I am familiar with this. However, I am under the impression that he died along with the rest of the planet. This would put Godzilla in Hell’s Godzilla roughly on the same scale as Heisei.. but Godzilla in Hell is so badly done that’s hard to tell what’s happening 90% of the time, and it breaks continuity since Godzilla in Hell 2 specifically cites King Ghidorah as being the reason he is in hell.. although presumably it could be a War of the Worlds situation like in Save the Earth, just.. with Ghidorah leading the alien kaiju charge instead of that Space Queen.

    Then Satan tried to use Space Godzilla to subdue Godzilla long enough for his demons to…. possess him?

    Following that Angels infused themselves in to him and he became even more powerful.

    Now he eats demons and angels because.. reasons.

    I presume he understood that ingesting them gives him power. They were like floating senzu beans that were in his way.

    “Question- I brought this up elsewhere and heard Hulk only absorbs Gamma Radiation- which isn’t what Godzilla gives off. True or False?”

    What Godzilla gives off is never stated.

    Realistically, this would be Gamma radiation. Gamma radiation is associated with nuclear weapons quite strongly. In some iterations, this leaks out of him, making it fatal to even be hear him. To be on his skin would set you on fire.

    In others. It barely contaminates the ground he has walked on.

    In yet others he leaks no radiation at all.

    In yet others, he completely absorbs all radiation, which I believe was.. heisei? As it physically makes him more powerful. His energy adaption / absorption trait combined with his healing factor is key to his durability even in the face of foes who can break his normally impenetrable scales/skin.

    In heisei, the only time there was nuclear contamination was after a fight where.. pieces.. of him were left blown about, from his equivalent of “blood splatter.” If I recall correctly that is.

    I have no idea what the OP’s intent was for this match.

    Hulk’s association with Gamma radiation would likely at least let Godzilla instantly know where he is. I would normally presume that Hulk would act like a battery for him as they contain similar levels of power, since both are, outside of Final Wars, supposedly planetary in their destructive capabilities. Godzilla might even mistake him for a very small Godzilla at first because of the similar energy signatures both in size and nature.

  29. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 2:21 pm -      #29

    Is that not an outlier considering all the times he has been stunned/KO’d and/or hurt by much less damage? Or are the other times he has been stunned/KO’d and/or hurt by much less damage the outliers?

    He’s unaffected by a Wonder Man punch:
    i.imgur.com/4s4j98R.jpg

    Unfazed by Hiro’s blasts:
    i.imgur.com/F8jv8or.jpg

    Hiro busts planets:
    i.imgur.com/GJJNNBK.jpg

    That are bigger than Mars:
    i.imgur.com/6Pr1kbs.png

  30. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 2:27 pm -      #30

    So Galaxy Master was a planet buster:
    i.imgur.com/Pt6lrrl.jpg

    Weaker version of Hulk takes his beams to the face and is still standing:
    i.imgur.com/sS4igLU.jpg

    Still think the Magic Team could pull out a win via BFR though.

  31. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm -      #31

    I don’t think BFR’s count in this fight. It just removes him from the reach of other characters.

  32. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 2:41 pm -      #32

    I don’t think BFR’s count in this fight. It just removes him from the reach of other characters.

    Where in the OP does it say that? All it says is that the planet is indestructible, which I’m guessing is there to prevent a repeat of Broly/Goku vs Hulk ending in “B/G blows up the planet and leaves Hulk floundering in space. gg”

    Edit: Oh, I see now:
    The first team to kill the Hulk wins.

    So BFR is out…

  33. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm -      #33

    Team 4 has Fate who, again, even though I am not THAT familiar with him, I presume can kill him just because of how high he ranks in DC. If it were Martian Manhunter or Superman or someone else I know better, I’d say yes, they definitely rip Hulk in half.. but Fate’s supposedly up there with them or above so I’m presuming he can do SOMETHING to end Hulk.

    If not, Team 2 probably takes it.

    Even if we went with the American Godzilla, Bahamut is still a god. I’ve heard he can basically matter manipulate you. But i don’t know the specifics. Absolute control over that realm though would suggest he insta-wins virtually any fight he gets in to.

    This is all assuming they get to Hulk before Brolly.. who OHKO’s Hulk.

  34. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm -      #34

    This is all assuming they get to Hulk before Brolly.. who OHKO’s Hulk.

    Er, why? Isn’t Broly’s best planet busting? I posted several scans that show Hulk perfectly fine despite being hit with planet level attacks.

  35. pimpmage November 2, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #35

    I think OPM may not be represented well enough here…

    I did some searching, and found some calcs that show his casual strength to be around 1.2 petatons while moving 0.042c. Another calc has him moving just above light speed casually. Through shitty powerscaling involving those two speeds, i come up with 28 petatons still casually.

    Besides that, OPM has reality warping powers. One punch is always enough to kill the target regardless of the target’s toughness.

    Anyone seen the new OPM anime? It looks really good so far.

  36. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 3:11 pm -      #36

    “Er, why? Isn’t Broly’s best planet busting? I posted several scans that show Hulk perfectly fine despite being hit with planet level attacks.”

    Broly’s planet busting is exceedingly casual.

    He’s been popping stars his whole life as well, judging from the intro to his movie.

    He manhandled super saiyans.. namely Vegeta.. who was exceedingly casually planet popping well before he ever even approached super saiyan.

    You also did no such thing.

    You showed other characters busting planets.

    Then showed Hulk getting hit.

    But nothing in the narration of those images suggested he was being given more than their equivalent of a quick jab.

    At one point you even stated Hiro takes out “planets bigger than mars” when the scan explicitly states it is the same size as mars. So I’m pretty cautious about your claims and the feats you say they link to now.

  37. Rookie November 2, 2015 at 3:14 pm -      #37

    @pimpmage

    “Anyone seen the new OPM anime? It looks really good so far.”

    It really is. I just hope that Boros or Sea King will appear soon. For OP man anime to not die and not suffer drop in quality animation they need something awesome, fast, now, in order to catch attention. Yusuke Murata and anime’s creators wanted to expand Boros’s role in season one and give him some more screen time (Murata probably wanted to blow at least one planet in his anime and manga carrier and really who can blame him for this? He already did the moon kick which he wanted to do since the day he becommed a mangas author), ONE was against this idea. I really hope that this will not backfire, Murata’s have some knoweledge how anime works after all.

  38. Shadow-Knight November 2, 2015 at 3:14 pm -      #38

    Didn’t the hulk Curb stomp the X-men that one time….like all of them at once? Of course I think that was his world breaker incarnation

  39. Nsl98 November 2, 2015 at 3:41 pm -      #39

    He’s been popping stars his whole life as well, judging from the intro to his movie.

    Mind posting it then? I seem to remember that being debunked in another thread.

    He manhandled super saiyans.. namely Vegeta.. who was exceedingly casually planet popping well before he ever even approached super saiyan.

    And? Vegeta is still only a planet buster, nothing more, nothing less. Fancy titles don’t change that. Also show Vegeta busting a planet in a scene that isn’t filler.

    You also did no such thing.

    You showed other characters busting planets.

    Then showed Hulk getting hit.


    …..OK? Maybe because that’s how you show that a character (in this instance Hulk) has planet durability? Those characters (Galaxy Master, Hiro) have busted planets. When they attack Hulk, he tanks them. Ergo, planetary durability.

    But nothing in the narration of those images suggested he was being given more than their equivalent of a quick jab.

    The only one who “jabbed” him was Wonder Man, a guy who is often directly compared to Thor and Sentry. The other scans show Hulk slamming into an asteroid twice the size of Earth and coming out unscathed and tanking planet level energy blasts.

    At one point you even stated Hiro takes out “planets bigger than mars” when the scan explicitly states it is the same size as mars.

    Meaningless typo and a personal folly of mine that I’ll have to deal with for the remainder of this debate.

    So I’m pretty cautious about your claims and the feats you say they link to now.

    You could just click on them and check like you just did.

  40. Amm0vamp1r3 November 2, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #40

    Those characters (Galaxy Master, Hiro) have busted planets. When they attack Hulk, he tanks them. Ergo, planetary durability.

    Actually not the case

    Just because someone busted a planet in once instance doesn’t mean they are always dishing out planet busting power. So the punches Hulk tanked aren’t for sure planet busting

    To be clear im not saying they aren’t I haven’t looked at the scans yet but I just had to share my thoughts on that statement

  41. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 4:34 pm -      #41

    “Mind posting it then? I seem to remember that being debunked in another thread.”

    I do, because I don’t care that much.

    The argument I think at the time was that he was a galaxy buster because we see the galaxy get gutted, but the stars were going out one by one, suggesting they were picking and choosing their targets.

    “And? Vegeta is still only a planet buster, nothing more, nothing less. Fancy titles don’t change that. Also show Vegeta busting a planet in a scene that isn’t filler.”

    Why would it matter if it’s filler? That’s.. retarded.

    The point is that Vegata is that planets are not Vegata’s limits. He could, presumably life wipe entire solar systems, but still not be star busting. There are in betweens, you see what I’m saying?

    Hulk’s barely planet busting, at best, and only because physics are wonky in Marvel and modest explosions will destroy them utterly compared to what you need in real life.

    So what I’m getting at is, Hulk’s greatest expression of his power is the equivalent of what Vegeta casually performs with a single gesture of a single finger.

    Broly, for the lulz, wiped a planet, from another planet, with no effort as well, mind you.

    He can one shot Hulk if he wants.

    He wouldn’t. Because he’s Broly, and that’s no fun. But he CAN.

    “When they attack Hulk, he tanks them. Ergo, planetary durability.”

    There is nothing in the artwork or narration to suggest that is what is going on. They’re fighting, that’s all we know.

    Do you know why you don’t throw your all in to a single attack against a thinking opponent?

    Look up Anderson Silva’s fight of December 2013.

    What if it empowers hulk? What if he smacks it back at you? What if he dodges it and counters while you’re recovering? What if, what if, what if. You don’t do dumb shit like that. When you do, bad things tend to happen to you very quickly.

    It is as easy to speculate against as it is for. Unless you’ve got concrete proof other than “They could have, so they MUST have.” then you’re done, nsl.

    This is bad attempts at scaling and nothing more.

    “The only one who “jabbed” him was Wonder Man, a guy who is often directly compared to Thor and Sentry. The other scans show Hulk slamming into an asteroid twice the size of Earth and coming out unscathed and tanking planet level energy blasts.”

    You misread my statement, perhaps. Try again and understand the context. I am not saying that they must have. I am saying that it is every bit as likely that they were not going all out with the shown attacks.

    “Meaningless typo and a personal folly of mine that I’ll have to deal with for the remainder of this debate.”

    At least you owned up to it. I like that.

    Hulk appears to be planetary in his power output, and never exceeds that in his durability.

    But again, only by Marvel standards. The gamma burst he does to destroy worlds wouldn’t even destroy Earth in real life. Although it’d certainly kill most if not all life, down to the microbial stuff. The explosion simply isn’t big enough to destroy the Earth.

    Being rammed in to by other planets at hundreds of kilometers per second, just to be clear, isn’t enough to destroy a planet in real life. It’ll burn, maybe get a few moons, wobble for a long time, and be uninhabitable for millions if not billions of years. But it won’t be destroyed.

    You would need.. I don’t know.. an explosion so big that it is literally as large as the planet being hit. Large enough to mass scatter the planet beyond its ability to recover thanks to its own gravity.To do that you’d need something like, the Death Star, or.. Godzilla.

    hellocomic.com/img/magazines/godzilla-in-hell-2015/godzilla-in-hell-03/06.jpg

    And Broly made a way, way, way bigger explosion.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0wLaVBx5d8

    Looks like it happened a lot faster too.

    I don’t know how big that planet was, but even if it was a fifth the size of Earth, that’s some ridiculous fire power there. With perfect control over it as well.

    Hulk gets OHKO’d if Broly decides to play rough.

    Or if Godzilla decides to go all out.

    Aren’t these characters that Hulk has been demonstrated to lose to repeatedly on BankGambling before?

    I’m sure there’s versions of Optimus that could it as well.

  42. Rookie November 2, 2015 at 5:02 pm -      #42

    About Bahamut. He have this nasty ability where he gives all dragons around him quasi-divine status which brings them back to life each time whey die as long as Bahamuth around. Does G count as dragon or at least as draconid?
    Also while Marvel and DC mages have more impressive firepower their battles in 99% cases always goes with someone shooting magic beams at the enemy. That’s it. Remember when Galactus sended Drax half-way around the universe to save him? Galactus never used that ability to teleport anyone into black hole for example. Bahamuth on the other hand can and will use all DnD magic arsenal (including time-stop, wish, reality warpind, transmutation, mass shields and regen and so on). Don’t know if this help though.

  43. Aelfinn November 2, 2015 at 5:51 pm -      #43

    Since when does Broly bust stars? I thought it was pretty well established that the whole “galaxy-busting” stuff was due to a mistranslation. Also, when is Yasha FTL? I mean, yeah, he’s damn fast, and the fact that he killed Asura is nothing to sneeze at, but his attacks always seemed to consist of the “insanely sharp” kind, and not the “extremely explosive” kind. Of course, one might be able to argue that he survived a planet-busting attack, but that requires a bit of power-scaling…

    Suffice it to say, it’s tough to get an accurate read on Yash’ s abilities.
    =
    =
    Anyway, the only way I don’t see Team 4 winning is if someone from another team kills them first. Literally every single person on that team has a potential to solo (Dr. Fate and Dr. Doom depend on incarnation, but I can’t imagine the current for either is weak). Darquesse has atomic manipulation. Rand has balefire and gateways. I read up on Zeref, and apparently most of his spells consist of “things just die”. Zeref also has a time-stop where he can pick who and what is or is not affected by it. So the way I see it, Zeref just stops time so Rand can walk up and balefire Hulk.

  44. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 5:52 pm -      #44

    “Does G count as dragon or at least as draconid?”

    Godzilla is a Dinosaur, not a Dragon. They aren’t even remotely similar.

    If Dragons were real, judging from legends I’ve read.. their closest relative would be archosaurs.. Crocodiles. Dinosaurs eventually developed in to birds,which Godzilla leans closer to than Crocs, despite his aquatic nature.

    Dragons are practically just mammals with scales.

    Their only similarities are superficial at best.

    I think the magic depends on if it is his realm of control or not.

    Like.. a time god, literally the embodiment of time, could time stop hulk no matter what. because if the time god died.. time would stop being. He is time and unless someone else took up the mantle, there is no one to over see it.

    So what exactly does Bahamut rule over?

  45. AbsoluteZero November 2, 2015 at 6:29 pm -      #45

    Now, I’m not some expert comic buff like some of the other people here. But saying that WWH held up against Sentry going all out, doesn’t hold -that- much water in those circumstances. Sentry was arguably in his weakest state at the time, due to enormous emotional issues, and wasn’t even going to leave the house until he realised he had to intercede. We can’t even be sure Sentry was planet-busting at that point.

    Hell, Planet-busting is as high as you can viably take Hulk up during that, seeing as his fear is that he’s going to Break the World.

    And that’s if you take Worldbreaker Hulk and WWH as the same, as opposed to Worldbreaker just being a veeeeerry angry version of WWH. And we don’t know if he’s starting in that state, we also don’t know how strong Worldbreaker was, aside from his footsteps causing earthquakes, we have nothing to gauge it on.

    ALSO, didn’t Dr Strange physically pulverise WHH? I’m fairly sure I remember Hulk only made it out of that fight because Strange stopped to try and protect civilians, and Hulk beat the crap out of him for it.

    It just seems to me that WWH is, judging by how they build it up, planet busting at best. Assuming his claims were correct. And he’s up against people who actually bust planets.

    That said, I don’t think Broly would arrive in time to kill Hulk before team magic did it. Broly is a planet-busting Jason Voorhees. He seems to prefer being intimidating over being fast.

  46. Tarbel November 2, 2015 at 7:32 pm -      #46

    I feel like this is the team to find Hulk first wins. Which team can scour an empty, indestructible planet for a car sized organism and destroy it first?

    I think Team 1 can potentially search the planet quite quickly on foot with Killy’s 3000km range vision and HUD/scanning abilities, Broly’s flight, and OPM’s speed. Don’t know about Vash and Minato. Potentially they can use Broly’s ki sensing and he’s probably not enraged enough to refuse.

    Team 2 .. I don’t think Godzilla is particularly quick in traveling, except maybe atomic breath propelling. Doesn’t seem like he’d resort to that and be able to find Hulk easily either. Colossal Titan is pretty much useless. Maybe Prime has something up his sleeve, maybe. I don’t know the rest.

    Team 3 can’t say much.

    Team 4 can’t say much. Magic hacks could find Hulk easily maybe, but then they’d need to travel to him.

  47. Jake_Uzumaki November 2, 2015 at 7:41 pm -      #47

    Well Doom is able to pretty easily teleport himself, and he teleported Iron Man across the planet (Nsl98’s post 8) so they can get there pretty damned quickly once they locate him.

  48. Aelfinn November 2, 2015 at 7:57 pm -      #48

    “Team 4 can’t say much. Magic hacks could find Hulk easily maybe, but then they’d need to travel to him.”

    Rand has Gateways, which are effectively wormholes. They have planetary range when used by a single person, so that’s a decent way to get around. Shit, if Rand gets lucky, he’ll kill the Hulk with his gateway as they travel to him.

  49. sadot06 November 2, 2015 at 9:06 pm -      #49

    Don’t sleep on Gilgamesh: www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2gdsiu/gilgamesh_fatestay_night/

    Also Broly has not shown to be capable of starbusting.

  50. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 9:25 pm -      #50

    “Also Broly has not shown to be capable of starbusting.”

    I suppose all those stars were just winking out on their own then.. huh, strange.

  51. sadot06 November 2, 2015 at 9:52 pm -      #51

    “I suppose all those stars were just winking out on their own then.. huh, strange.”

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc

  52. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 10:44 pm -      #52

    I ain’t got no audio. So I’m afraid I’ll pass.

    Just tell me whatever it is that who ever is going to say?

  53. Sauroposeidon November 2, 2015 at 11:08 pm -      #53

    So I went to watch and just figured I’d turn closed captioning on.

    I didn’t need to as it turns out.

    Why is this video relevant?

  54. sadot06 November 2, 2015 at 11:24 pm -      #54

    It shows that people assumed Broly destroyed the South Galaxy because of a mistranslation and a graphic at the beginning of the movie that was merely a visual metaphor. As is shown in this and several other videos, when the Z fighters travel to the South Galaxy, most of it is still in tact. We never see Broly actually blow up a star.

  55. Sauroposeidon November 3, 2015 at 12:36 am -      #55

    That video only says he never one shotted a galaxy. I never made that claim.

    It in no way refutes him blowing stars.

    Which he’d have to do to have that effect on the galaxy.

    Which is losing stars.

    Literally as the story explicitly says the galaxy is under attack by broly.

    Broly pops stars.

    Hell, considering how many were lost, he might eve be able to launch multiple star popping attacks at once.

  56. Rookie November 3, 2015 at 12:40 am -      #56

    @Sauroposeido

    “So what exactly does Bahamut rule over?”

    Dragons, Chivalry, Protection, Magnanimity, Good
    www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Greater_Deities

    He is greater deity: d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/Bahamut,_Great-Great-Great_Wyrm_Platinum_Dragon
    So his powers (aside from info in his stats) are:
    A greater deity (rank 16 or higher) also can perform any one of the following acts:

    Change or apply a gravity trait within the realm.

    Change or apply an elemental or energy trait within the realm.

    Change or apply a time trait within the realm.

    Apply the limited magic trait to a particular school, domain, or spell descriptor within the area, preventing such spells and spell-like abilities from functioning. The greater deity’s own spells and spell-like abilities are not limited by these restrictions.
    www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineRanksAndPowers.htm

  57. sadot06 November 3, 2015 at 1:23 am -      #57

    “That video only says he never one shotted a galaxy. I never made that claim.”

    It says a lot more than that.

    You mean other than showing that he didn’t blow up any stars?

    What effect was that? By leaving most of the galaxy in tact?

    Show me stars being destroyed

    “Literally as the story explicitly says the galaxy is under attack by broly.”

    Literally was debunked

    “Broly pops stars.”

    Except we don’t see him do it.

    “Hell, considering how many were lost, he might eve be able to launch multiple star popping attacks at once.”

    Yet when Goku arrives, it’s on a planet that is in ruins and there are stars all over the sky. The only thing we see Broly actually do is planet bust.

  58. Sauroposeidon November 3, 2015 at 9:18 am -      #58

    I don’t think you watched the same video as me, sadot.

    Your statements are that different from what I read, and so often don’t even match up to what I am saying.

    I am not sure if you’re just.. drunk.. or high.. or what, but I don’t really think continued discussion with you on this is going to get anywhere until you start making more sense.

  59. sadot06 November 3, 2015 at 10:42 am -      #59

    Asking somebody to provide evidence for their claims=drunk or high. Gotcha.

  60. Friendlysociopath November 3, 2015 at 10:55 am -      #60

    youtu.be/rpHdgn3UaBc?t=2m1s

    So that’s a galactic cluster, those tend to hold a few billion stars- and we see the entire thing go black.
    Fill me in here, under what scenario is that not “star-busting”?

    Additional question- are people really thinking Broly takes out one planet/star at a time and then doubles back across the entire galaxy to destroy another before doubling back again? And again? A million times?
    Frankly, that sounds like a bit of a stretch.

  61. Nsl98 November 3, 2015 at 11:58 am -      #61

    I do, because I don’t care that much.

    So you’re not going to post a video showing Broly blowing up stars?

    Why would it matter if it’s filler? That’s.. retarded.

    It matters cuz manga takes precedence over the anime.

    So again, show Vegeta planet busting without using filler. Then show him using those attacks on Broly, since I think that’s what you were trying to say based on your earlier post:
    “He manhandled super saiyans.. namely Vegeta.. who was exceedingly casually planet popping well before he ever even approached super saiyan.

    There is nothing in the artwork or narration to suggest that is what is going on. They’re fighting, that’s all we know.

    “Forces no mortal can describe”? And why wouldn’t they be giving it their all against the Hulk? He’s considered a major threat to their planet at times.

    Broly, for the lulz, wiped a planet, from another planet, with no effort as well, mind you.

    You made the claim, please provide evidence for said claim.

    What if it empowers hulk? What if he smacks it back at you? What if he dodges it and counters while you’re recovering? What if, what if, what if. You don’t do dumb shit like that. When you do, bad things tend to happen to you very quickly.

    Firstly, I shouldn’t have to go look up vids for claims you make.
    Secondly, I literally have no idea what you’re trying to say in the questions above, mind elaborating?
    Thirdly, that video showed me nothing but some dude breaking his leg when he kicked another guy. What was the point of it?

    Being rammed in to by other planets at hundreds of kilometers per second, just to be clear, isn’t enough to destroy a planet in real life. It’ll burn, maybe get a few moons, wobble for a long time, and be uninhabitable for millions if not billions of years. But it won’t be destroyed.

    Hulk destroyed the asteroid actually, so I don’t know what you’re trying to say here.

    Aren’t these characters that Hulk has been demonstrated to lose to repeatedly on BankGambling before?

    Broly only beat Hulk due the fact that he can blow up the planet and leave before Hulk does anything.

    I’m not touching the Zilla debate.

  62. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 12:05 pm -      #62

    It matters cuz manga takes precedence over the anime.

    Even here with a specifically anime character?

  63. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #63

    Wait I just thought about something isn’t current Broly Bio Broly who died when exposed to like the atmosphere or something like that ?

  64. Nsl98 November 3, 2015 at 12:15 pm -      #64

    @Ammo
    We’re talking about Vegeta’s ability to bust a planet though.

  65. Jake_Uzumaki November 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm -      #65

    Actually if we’re being technical Broly is a movie exclusive character, his movies aren’t part of the main DBZ universe.
    And Bio-Broly was a clone wasn’t he? Not the original?

  66. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 12:22 pm -      #66

    Which is present in the anime, and Broly is only canon to anime ergo wouldn’t planet busting vegeta be established in broly’s canon?

    I hope im making sense

    @Jake
    That’s also true

  67. Nsl98 November 3, 2015 at 12:28 pm -      #67

    Which is present in the anime, and Broly is only canon to anime ergo wouldn’t planet busting vegeta be established in broly’s canon?

    Broly isn’t canon to the anime, he’s canon to the movies, which are non canon to the DBZ anime/manga.

  68. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #68

    Broly isn’t canon to the anime, he’s canon to the movies, which are non canon to the DBZ anime/manga.

    Yes, Jake just said that

  69. Jake_Uzumaki November 3, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #69

    The problem with most of the DBZ movies beyond the canon ones is, their timelines don’t line up with the events of the main canon usually which is why they aren’t canon. So I don’t know if we know for sure the filler event where Vegeta blew up a planet occurred in that universe.

  70. Nsl98 November 3, 2015 at 12:39 pm -      #70

    Yes, Jake just said that

    Oh, my bad. Sorry.

    So do the Broly movies give any good feats for Goku or Vegeta?

  71. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 12:42 pm -      #71

    So there 3 separate canons, Movie, Anime and Manga and that’s not counting all the spin of stuff like games and what not

    Broly has Legendary Super Saiyan, Second Coming

    So do the Broly movies give any good feats for Goku or Vegeta

    Nope not really, no great destruction on their part just Broly

  72. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 12:47 pm -      #72

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLtbZr-euhQ

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqWvHFY8K8g

  73. Jake_Uzumaki November 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm -      #73

    Technically there’s more than 3 since not all the movies are the same universe either (though there are theories about which ones are interconnected I’m not sure if there’s anything definitive)
    Nice and confusing really

  74. sadot06 November 3, 2015 at 2:14 pm -      #74

    “So that’s a galactic cluster, those tend to hold a few billion stars- and we see the entire thing go black.
    Fill me in here, under what scenario is that not “star-busting”?”

    The scenario where Goku travels to that galactic cluster and all of it is still there.

  75. Friendlysociopath November 3, 2015 at 2:17 pm -      #75

    The scenario where Goku travels to that galactic cluster and all of it is still there.

    All of it is specifically shown as still there? Or does he find Broly sitting on a hunk of rock and so people just like to assume that means the previous footage didn’t matter at all?
    Cause that’s pretty cut and dry as to what he’s capable of, regardless of whether any particular planet is still there or not.

  76. Sauroposeidon November 3, 2015 at 2:22 pm -      #76

    “Asking somebody to provide evidence for their claims=drunk or high. Gotcha.”

    You just didn’t say anything relevant.

    “So that’s a galactic cluster, those tend to hold a few billion stars- and we see the entire thing go black.”

    The edges were still there.

    And there’s probably countless thousands left through out but we are’t going to see them at this point.

    Just to clarify what we’re seeing.

    “It matters cuz manga takes precedence over the anime.”

    Not to me it doesn’t. Quit making up arbitrary rules.

    Is Broly even in the manga?

    ““Forces no mortal can describe”? And why wouldn’t they be giving it their all against the Hulk? He’s considered a major threat to their planet at times.”

    That’s just flowery writing.

    And, I dunno, PiS? It doesn’t look to me like they’re going all out.

    “You made the claim, please provide evidence for said claim.”

    I actually did provide a link, I believe.

    “Thirdly, that video showed me nothing but some dude breaking his leg when he kicked another guy. What was the point of it?”

    I assumed you might already be familiar with the fight, sorry.

    Point is, going all out is usually a bad idea. You throw your all in to something. You get punished.

    “Hulk destroyed the asteroid actually, so I don’t know what you’re trying to say here.”

    I’m not comparing the two.

    I was talking about his gamma burst that destroyed a planet, his greatest offensive feat.

    The asteroid feat wasn’t his doing. He was fired at it, and he shattered it. Or something. The scene, like most of the writing in Marvel, is so poor as to boggle the mind as to why it ever became popular to begin with. =)

    “I’m not touching the Zilla debate.”

    Zilla hasn’t fought Hulk on BankGambling.

    “Nice and confusing really”

    Assume they’re all the same continuity. Retcon changes as needed as they progress. Makes it easier.

  77. Batz November 3, 2015 at 2:53 pm -      #77

    @Friendly
    ” Or does he find Broly sitting on a hunk of rock and so people just like to assume that means the previous footage didn’t matter at all?”
    According to most of the video’s comments, yes.

    If you take the scene at face value, Broly is a galaxy buster.
    If not, he becomes a massively FTL star buster.

  78. pimpmage November 3, 2015 at 3:06 pm -      #78

    Unless broly has specifically shown to do any of those things, he doesnt have that feat. Using a ‘what would happen if he isnt stopped’ scene proves nothing. Tons of people in OP thought whitebeard had the power to destroy the world, and they were legitimately scared by that. But is he a world buster? No. Because he has never shown to destroy the planet.

  79. sadot06 November 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #79

    “All of it is specifically shown as still there? Or does he find Broly sitting on a hunk of rock and so people just like to assume that means the previous footage didn’t matter at all?
    Cause that’s pretty cut and dry as to what he’s capable of, regardless of whether any particular planet is still there or not.”

    Goku shows up on a deserted planet with celestial bodies filling the sky.

    “Not to me it doesn’t. Quit making up arbitrary rules.”

    It doesn’t matter what you think in this regard, on BankGambling source material always takes precedent.

  80. Ninja Lowk November 3, 2015 at 3:15 pm -      #80

    “is so poor as to boggle the mind as to why it ever became popular to begin with.”

    It was for the youth of that time and probably considered good for that time. Lot of things don’t normally hold up well over time.

  81. Amm0vamp1r3 November 3, 2015 at 3:20 pm -      #81

    Gotta love DBZ debates lol, always comes down to something like this from my experience

    “He hasn’t been shown to do such and such so he can’t.”

    “But he’s stronger than so and so who can do such and such easily so logically he should be able to”

    Personally I still think Broly could kill Hulk, Hulks feats that ive seen haven’t been consistent enough to make me think other wise but it doesn’t matter what I think but what I can prove.

    So with nothing but proof id put my money on team 4, seems like a safe bet

  82. Envoy November 3, 2015 at 3:27 pm -      #82

    “Goku shows up on a deserted planet with celestial bodies filling the sky.”
    +
    Which just means that everything isn’t destroyed. Wasn’t that the point of the video?

  83. Nsl98 November 3, 2015 at 4:46 pm -      #83

    Not to me it doesn’t. Quit making up arbitrary rules.

    I don’t think you’re opinion changes that FP always goes with source material. In this case, the DBZ manga.

    Is Broly even in the manga?

    No, he’s in the non canon movies where we don’t know how strong the Z Fighters are in comparison to their canon selves.

    So saying he manhandled Vegeta becomes less impressive due to us not knowing how capable that version of Vegeta is.

    And, I dunno, PiS? It doesn’t look to me like they’re going all out.

    I mean, the fact that the writing makes it clear that it’s two powerful beings going at it makes it seem like it to me.

    But agree to disagree.

    I actually did provide a link, I believe.

    In that case I apologize, I must’ve missed it. However, after watching it, that explosion was actually pretty impressive.

    Point is, going all out is usually a bad idea. You throw your all in to something. You get punished.

    Why exactly are we comparing a human fighter to fictional Comic characters?

    The asteroid feat wasn’t his doing. He was fired at it, and he shattered it. Or something. The scene, like most of the writing in Marvel, is so poor as to boggle the mind as to why it ever became popular to begin with. =)

    I probably should have worded it differently, but I meant that the asteroid was destroyed as a direct result of Hulk being launched into it. Which he then survived.

    I was talking about his gamma burst that destroyed a planet, his greatest offensive feat.

    When did he do that? I thought it only threatened the eastern seaboard.

    Zilla hasn’t fought Hulk on BankGambling.

    factpile.com/1352-king-kong-vs-the-hulk-vs-optimus-prime-vs-rancor-vs-godzilla/

    ^It basically came down to Hulk vs Zilla.

  84. sadot06 November 3, 2015 at 4:46 pm -      #84

    “Which just means that everything isn’t destroyed. Wasn’t that the point of the video?”

    The point of the video was to show that Broly didn’t Galaxy bust like some DBZ fans think the intro implies. It was thought that the graphic at the beginning was literal. Which means either Broly wiped out the South Galaxy in one attack or he’s a massively FTL starbuster, neither of which is supported by his feats in the movie.

  85. Friendlysociopath November 3, 2015 at 4:59 pm -      #85

    It basically came down to Hulk vs Zilla.

    Remember that “Zilla” is the official name for the America Godzilla in comparison to the Japanese Godzilla which retains the name of “Godzilla”.
    While the slang is understood, factually it’s now actively wrong to refer to Godzilla as Zilla.

    It was thought that the graphic at the beginning was literal.

    Is there any reason it isn’t? Broly missing some planets and stars wouldn’t mean he’s not capable of destroying them.

    neither of which is supported by his feats in the movie.

    If the entire plot of the movie revolves around Broly being a threat that can do that- it really doesn’t matter if visuals don’t match up.

    Does everyone have the option to delete a comment when editing? I keep almost hitting it and I know I WILL hit it one day on accident and it’s going to make me upset.

  86. AbsoluteZero November 3, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #86

    “Is there any reason it isn’t? Broly missing some planets and stars wouldn’t mean he’s not capable of destroying them.”

    It’s fairly likely that the world Broly was found on, he was deliberately told to not blow up. Afterall, his father Paragus was using it as a place to restart the mighty Saiyan Race. It might’ve ruined Paragus’ plans if Broly took the entire system apart. In fact, doesn’t Paragus mention that the reason he put Broly under power restraints and mind control, is more or less because he kept annhiliating everything? Stuff still existing where Broly was just comes down to Paragus actively disallowing Broly to annhilate it. Which.. is the point of all Broly’s golden bands. Mind control and power restraints.

    Just saying. Might’ve completely ruined everything Paragus had been doing if he had Broly blow up everything in the system he was trying to populate. Doesn’t sound like a master evil plan to me.

    And, y’know. Once Broly goes rogue, he does end up casually blowing up a nearby planet. Starbusting is a totally different league though, it stands to reason that he must have done so, in order to take out a galaxy, over time or not. But we’ve no definitive feats of him doing it. Hell, he dies in Second Coming by being blasted through the Sun. Though, I suppose it’s a durability feat that he makes it almost all the way through the sun before dying. That level of heat and pressure should’ve ruined him, like Broly ruined Vegeta’s pride.

  87. Mea quidem sententia November 3, 2015 at 6:02 pm -      #87

    For Broly to destroy a galaxy, he’d also need to destroy the black hole in the center, and honestly, I doubt that would be possible, even with ki. It would be odd for Broly not to use this vast power to effortlessly kill Goku and Co. Also, it’s better to use the word “annihilate”, rather than “destroy”, since the former is clearer on what is meant, while the latter is simply another way of describing something being in ruins.

  88. Darth Bombad November 3, 2015 at 6:21 pm -      #88

    @Nsl98
    “When did he do that? I thought it only threatened the eastern seaboard.”

    He did it on some alien world while he was battling with Red She-Hulk.

    oi48.tinypic.com/vy9ppl.jpg

    i.imgur.com/ZgMgZE1.jpg

    To be fair i think she was amp’d to his level. So it might be more of a clash.

  89. AbsoluteZero November 3, 2015 at 6:28 pm -      #89

    ” It would be odd for Broly not to use this vast power to effortlessly kill Goku and Co.”

    Well, Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan is an entire movie about Broly more or less screwing with the Z-Fighters, he blatantly only loses to PIS. At no point does any character even manage to scratch him. Other than the fact he’s opting to torment them, (Likely because it involves Goku) he pretty much is doing that. He doesn’t really show any effort. He actively allows the Z-Fighters to hit him as hard as they can, and then he breaks them. Vegeta has a badass revival, and Broly pounds him into a wall so hard an enormous crater is left behind. The entire fight was a colossal stomp.

    Right up until the end with the sudden plot device of Goku taking in the power of all the Z-Fighters, (Which wasn’t enough to do anything previously) and punching Broly in the gut (Where Broly had been stabbed as a baby) causing Broly’s power to rage out of control, and he exploded. Still lived to be in Second Coming though. Where he should technically be even more powerful, due to the Saiyan, “Stronger every time they almost die” bit.

  90. Jake_Uzumaki November 3, 2015 at 7:04 pm -      #90

    @Darth Bombad
    she was amped, otherwise she wouldn’t have lasted as well as she did.

    @Absolute Zero
    to be fair..I think the franchise pretty much dropped the Zenkai Boost concept once Super Saiyan 1 came around, that or the boosts were just negligible.

  91. Envoy November 3, 2015 at 7:20 pm -      #91

    “Which means either Broly wiped out the South Galaxy in one attack or he’s a massively FTL starbuster, neither of which is supported by his feats in the movie.”
    +
    Massively FTL space travel is not only established in the series by the time of the movie but also during the movie, like when Goku traverses the wrecked galaxy using Instant Transmission only to catch up with the Broly and co settling in. DBZ has fast ships yo.

  92. sadot06 November 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm -      #92

    “Massively FTL space travel is not only established in the series by the time of the movie but also during the movie, like when Goku traverses the wrecked galaxy using Instant Transmission only to catch up with the Broly and co settling in.”

    Instant transmission and FTL spaceships aren’t remotely similar. And what I’m talking about is the graphic in the intro. In order for Broly to have literally done that would mean he used one massive attack or was flying through the galaxy popping planets and stars faster than any ship at that point has been shown to go.

  93. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets November 3, 2015 at 7:51 pm -      #93

    “she was amped, otherwise she wouldn’t have lasted as well as she did.”

    No, she wasn’t. She already used up whatever amount of mystical energy she had when she made her wish. Just went through HotM just to double check before posting this.

  94. Mea quidem sententia November 3, 2015 at 8:05 pm -      #94

    I don’t even see why we should take what occurred literally. The Japanese says, “The Southern Galaxy has fallen under Super Saiyan attack.” Then King Kai says, “T-Then, the Southern Galaxy really is being . . . At this rate . . . even my Northern Galaxy will be destroyed!” The imagery is most likely demonstrating the attack, not some literal annihilation, as we can still see planets and stars. Even the planet Goku lands on shows damaged buildings, an astronomical object in the background (presumably a moon) and stars. Once again, “destroyed” should mean “something ruined by being damaged or attacked.”

  95. AbsoluteZero November 3, 2015 at 8:19 pm -      #95

    “. Even the planet Goku lands on shows damaged buildings, an astronomical object in the background (presumably a moon) and stars.”

    I.. don’t think the state of that particular area is relevant. It’s the planet where Paragus and Broly set up shop. Broly probably did destroy whatever was there before, but it not being annhiliated isn’t a point against him.

    That said, I don’t think Broly is a starbuster. He’s easily a very casual planetbuster, but there’s an enormous gulf of difference, and Broly simply never displayed the power. That said, does he even need to be a Starbuster? How many planetbusting events can the Hulk take before he crumbles?

    ..THAT said, I still don’t think Broly would get to Hulk first. And even if he did, he’d engage in melee combat. And i’m not convinced Broly is physically stronger than this version of the Hulk. Faster? More than likely. More durable? Broly’s durability is pretty insane, but, y’know, comics. It isn’t Broly’s method of operating to immediately planetbust. He’s a sadist, a psychopath. He wants to draw it out, and if he tries, Hulk may rip his arms off and beat him to death with them.

    The whole first Broly movie displays his enormous level of arrogance. Sure, he may be -right- that he was vastly more powerful than the Z-fighters, but what about if he wasn’t? Broly actively stood directly in front of Goku charging a Kamehameha, and waited. If Goku had been powerful enough, Broly would’ve been vaporised. Time and again in that movie, Broly allows his opponents to hit him.

    Even in Second Coming, his general belief that he’s beyond harm results in him not caring when he takes hits. He’s completely submerged in Lava at one point, and rises out unscathed.

    If Hulk has the strength to wreck Broly, you can sure as hell -bet- he’ll get the opportunity to do it.

  96. Mea quidem sententia November 3, 2015 at 8:23 pm -      #96

    @AbsoluteZero
    I’m not even contesting Broly’s ability to be a planet buster. Plenty of DBZ characters are already capable of that, and from what I’ve observed (and it may be outdated, considering the last time I watched DBZ was the Frieza saga), the way anyone in the series destroys planets is by shooting the core. My point is to address any claim that Broly actually annihilated the Southern Galaxy, which would include stars and a supermassive black hole, since those typically are at the center of galaxies.

  97. AbsoluteZero November 3, 2015 at 8:29 pm -      #97

    @Mea

    Understood. I agree with you, by the by. It’s mostly the mistranslation throwing people off. Which leaves us with his feats. He’s a casual planetbuster, and was blasted through the core of the sun in order to finally kill him. He actually came out the other side of the core before he died. So, there’s some crazy durability for you. I’m just curious about how physically strong he is, and if he can match Hulk. Because as I stated above, Broly tends to engage in melee.

  98. Mea quidem sententia November 3, 2015 at 9:34 pm -      #98

    @AbsoluteZero
    There was the match between Hulk and Goku and Goku won, but if Broly is more of a fighter and no so much of a ki user, then I’m not sure if the match will be in favor of Broly. Like I said, from what I understand, DB characters target the core of planets to destroy them, rather than fly head on and use their mass and acceleration to destroy planets.

  99. Sauroposeidon November 3, 2015 at 10:19 pm -      #99

    “I don’t think you’re opinion”

    Will change unless you give me a better reason than “I don’t like filler episodes”

    “No”

    Then we’re done with the line of argument about the anime then, as far as I’m concerned. =)

    “I mean, the fact that the writing makes it clear that it’s two powerful beings going at it makes it seem like it to me.”

    We can speculate all day. Doesn’t get us anywhere. Makes the scans pretty useless at this point.

    “Why exactly are we comparing a human fighter to fictional Comic characters?”

    We’re not.

    I was using that as an instance of showing how badly punished one can be in an instant for going all out instead of getting a better feel of their opponent first or any other tactic at hand, really.

    “Unless broly has specifically shown to do any of those things”

    There are no what ifs in the movie if I recall.

    “If you take the scene at face value, Broly is a galaxy buster.
    If not, he becomes a massively FTL star buster.”

    The manner in which the stars go out suggests the second, actually. Which, considering we know their attacks can be FTL and we know they have ships which are FTL…

    “^It basically came down to Hulk vs Zilla.”

    Zilla wasn’t in that fight. Godzilla was.

    “neither of which is supported by his feats in the movie.”

    You are talking about a scene in a movie as if it were not in the movie.

    I still think you’re under the influence…

    “For Broly to destroy a galaxy, he’d also need to destroy the black hole in the center, and honestly, I doubt that would be possible, even with ki. It would be odd for Broly not to use this vast power to effortlessly kill Goku and Co. Also, it’s better to use the word “annihilate”, rather than “destroy”, since the former is clearer on what is meant, while the latter is simply another way of describing something being in ruins.”

    Do we know that galaxy had a black hole? Do we know he destroyed it?

    We know he was enormously more powerful than any of them and could easily kill them, but he did not. It’s not in his personality. Call it CiS if you will, because that’s what it is.

    He wanted to make them suffer.

    “That said, I don’t think Broly is a starbuster. He’s easily a very casual planetbuster, but there’s an enormous gulf of difference, and Broly simply never displayed the power. That said, does he even need to be a Starbuster? How many planetbusting events can the Hulk take before he crumbles?”

    Have you considered that whatever technique he uses to kill suns isn’t just a giant blast of energy, but one of those “makes the object collapse in on its and destroy itself” weaker techniques that we see every so often? Might be a chain reaction or something.

    We don’t know HOW he took those stars out. We just know they got taken out.

  100. Mea quidem sententia November 3, 2015 at 10:45 pm -      #100

    @Sauroposeidon
    We do know based on observing the galaxy from a distance. Compare to this image.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NGC_4414_%28NASA-med%29.jpg

    It’s kind of hard to have an accretion disk like that without a supermassive black hole in the center. If we’re not going to actually observe Broly annihilating anything, then the word “destroy” needn’t be taken literally.

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