Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo VS Goku

Naruto, Luffy & Ichigo VS Goku

Suggested by The Unknown Soldier

Naruto (Naruto), Luffy (One Piece) & Ichigo (Bleach) will go up against Goku (DBZ)

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First Round:

Pre Time Skip Naruto, Luffy & Ichigo VS. Kid Goku to Teen Goku.

Second Round:

Begining Post Time Skip Naruto, Luffy & Ichigo VS. Kid Goku to Begining of DBZ Goku.

Third Round:

Post Time Skip Naruto, Luffy & Ichigo VS. Kid Goku to Begining of DBZ Goku.

Final Round:

Corrent Versions of Naruto, Luffy & Ichigo VS. Corrent Version ( End of DBZ / End of GT ) Goku.

Each round is one on one, after each round is finish, i will be a 3 on one battle.

The HST can use Movie Feats and Goku can use his Movie Feats.

Battle takes place on the World Tornament ( DBZ ).

 

Who Will Win?

 

 

 

 

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74 Comments on "Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo VS Goku"

  1. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 26, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #1

    So, for End of DBZ/GT does that mean no DBS is allowed?

  2. pimpmage October 26, 2015 at 12:47 am -      #2

    We can start off by explaining what kid goku is capable of?

    Luffy had a calc done with his latest attack that isn’t even having him go all out. It was calced to have a high end of 1.5 gigatons of energy. Though that calc is missing the rediculous force that was opposing the punch that was pierced.
    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rib78/One_Piece_-_King_Kong_Gun

    Here seems to be a pretty damn comprehensive list of luffy’s stats:
    vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy

  3. Ninja Lowk October 26, 2015 at 12:50 am -      #3

    “So, for End of DBZ/GT does that mean no DBS is allowed?”

    I guess not. Though that makes sense with DBS trying to power creep to strange levels.

  4. Dmtl October 26, 2015 at 2:56 am -      #4

    end of DBZ/GT wasn’t Goku SSJ4? IMO Ichigo might be able to keep up speed wise at least in current incarnation but power wise can anything top Goku?

  5. Kitten Lord October 26, 2015 at 7:45 am -      #5

    @Pimp

    “It was calced to have a high end of 1.5 gigatons of energy.”

    Your source thinks it was hit with nearly 1000 megatons of TNT? far greater than even our largest nukes, yet somehow the buildings seem mostly solid and the humans are fine, running from the area.

    Surely if more energy than hundreds of large nukes hit an area the human made buildings would get shattered at the very least. It does not take much to shake foundations of a building.

  6. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 7:54 am -      #6

    Can Goku, Naruto or Luffy actually see Ichigo? Have any of them seen ghosts before?

  7. Dmtl October 26, 2015 at 7:59 am -      #7

    Now that you mention that I hadn’t thought of it, but then all Goku has to do is destroy his unconscious body.

  8. Klondike Bar October 26, 2015 at 8:02 am -      #8

    Nuclear launch detected! If they can not see the stupid ghost that is going to– Not starcraft ghost. I will shut the door on myself on the way out.

  9. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 8:09 am -      #9

    Does Ichigo still even have an unconscious body? I havent paid much attention to bleach since the end of the Aizen fight but there was that who x thingy, and i dont think he left his body behind when he got his powers back.

  10. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 8:55 am -      #10

    So, how EC are chakra, haki, reiatsu and Ki

    Ki and chakra seem to be the most compatible…. they are both from the physical body right??? Reiatsu comes from the soul since ichigo has loads but doesnt have a physical body. Haki… is… and always shall be… the weirdest shit.

  11. Envoy October 26, 2015 at 9:09 am -      #11

    “So, for End of DBZ/GT does that mean no DBS is allowed?”
    +
    The final chapter of dragon ball is set after both of the most recent movies, if super does something after the ten year timeskip then we stop at last chapter.
    +
    Then again, what the fuck does GT have to do with anything?
    =
    “Does Ichigo still even have an unconscious body?”
    +
    IIRC, he still leaves it behind. They haven’t shown it in forever/he goes through a spirt conversion gate that doesn’t leave a body behind.
    +
    Between Ki senses and air pressure, Goku should be able to find Ichigo.

  12. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 9:10 am -      #12

    “Surely if more energy than hundreds of large nukes hit an area the human made buildings would get shattered at the very least. ”

    *Looks at comment*

    vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/46/One_Piece-1-2.png/revision/latest?cb=20150630152915

    *Looks at picture*

    “human made buildings would get shattered at the very least. ”

    *Looks back at comment*

    vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/46/One_Piece-1-2.png/revision/latest?cb=20150630152915

    *Looks back at picture*

    *decides that Kitten lord is an idiot*
    – – –
    “Between Ki senses and air pressure, Goku should be able to find Ichigo.”

    Does ichigo have ki though? he doesnt have a body to generate it

  13. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 9:29 am -      #13

    community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?336-The-Orange-Hokage-Uzumaki-Naruto-s-Feats

    naruto feats, divided up by age/arc

  14. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 9:39 am -      #14

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm9KaJG1EnY&t=30s

    Never mind, goku can see dead people, what about Naruto and Luffy?

  15. Ninja Lowk October 26, 2015 at 10:12 am -      #15

    “IIRC, he still leaves it behind. They haven’t shown it in forever/he goes through a spirt conversion gate that doesn’t leave a body behind.”

    I don’t think he does after the fullbring arc gave his body powers and the quincy stuff made him physically super human.

  16. Friendlysociopath October 26, 2015 at 10:47 am -      #16

    Just to be clear
    “Each round is 1v1, then 3v1”

    So Goku has to fight each of them separately, then altogether, for every round.

  17. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 10:55 am -      #17

    That seemes…. pointless

  18. Nsl98 October 26, 2015 at 11:09 am -      #18

    Who is Unknown Soldier? Alot of his suggestions go through and yet he never shows up…

  19. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 11:23 am -      #19

    “Who is Unknown Soldier”

    Nobody knows much about him. He has some military experience, but nothing else is known.

  20. Friendlysociopath October 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm -      #20

    That seemes…. pointless

    Not really, it’s an escalation.

    “Can you take on a kitten? How about a lion? How about a tiger? Okay, now take all 3 at once.”

    It’s a matter of stacking the odds. Think of a zombie apocalypse. Can you take one zombie? How about five? How about 50? What if one has the armored hide of an elephant?
    And so on- Unknown really wants to put Goku through his paces

    He has some military experience, but nothing else is known.

    I see what you did there.

  21. LadyRamkin October 26, 2015 at 12:22 pm -      #21

    “And so on- Unknown really wants to put Goku through his paces”

    But, i mean… If any one of them can take Goku, then all 3 of them surely can, right? Which means that the 1v1s simply gauge whether the 3v3 1 is a stomp. And if 3v1 cant beat him then the 1v1s probably cant either. It just feels like….. padding.
    – – –
    “Not really, it’s an escalation.”

    An escalation would be more along the lines of:
    Goku vs Naruto
    Goku vs Naruto + Ichigo
    Goku vs Naruto + Ichigo + Luffy
    Goku vs Naruto + Ichigo + Luffy + Goku…

    The 1v1 format makes escelation dificult without first gauging the strength order of the 3 combatants. which doesnt seem to have been done here.

  22. Hac148 October 26, 2015 at 3:36 pm -      #22

    We havent really seen what post royal guard visit ichigo can do, but the biggest so far of the three of them doesnt really go far past city leveling stuff. Naruto can level a city easily. Dangai ichigo could have done the same. Gear 4 Luffy’s King Kong Gun has been shown to do the same. So at best, city leveling x3 is an all out assault. Goku has tanked more than that. He has taken shots meant to destroy planets. Been a planet buster himself for some time. Even at their current forms, all together, is that not a stomp?

  23. Jake_Uzumaki October 26, 2015 at 7:33 pm -      #23

    So…just want to point this out the last time the time skip stuff for Naruto was brought up we talked to Admin and he said use the most recent timeskip
    so round 1 is Naruto as of the Last 2 is Naruto Gaiden Naruto and 3 would be Boruto era Naruto..

  24. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 26, 2015 at 7:54 pm -      #24

    @Jake We should probably go with the first time skip since that’d be the most fair in against the versions of Goku being used.

  25. pimpmage October 26, 2015 at 8:07 pm -      #25

    Since everything is being compared against goku… isn’t it about time someone tells us what each era of goku is capable of? Just a thought?

  26. Friendlysociopath October 26, 2015 at 8:15 pm -      #26

    isn’t it about time someone tells us what each era of goku is capable of?

    Curious about this as well- so far as I know Teen Goku is:
    Fast enough a bullet-timer can’t see him
    Tanked Piccolo blowing up a city in his face
    Can Kamehameha hard enough to defeat an entire fleet of ships
    Can deflect bullets and kick missiles
    Is bulletproof
    Jumps and fights Tien in the clouds before landing back down
    And can fight Mercenary Tao- who throws a pillar at Mach speeds (I think 32- could be wrong)
    Anything else?

  27. Jake_Uzumaki October 26, 2015 at 8:21 pm -      #27

    @CH1C4N0444
    Reeaallly kind of depends on exactly which Goku we’re using in the first round, that’s kinda weird wording there. End of the DragonBall anime/Teen Goku-Early Saiyan Saga Goku is probably a good match for Naruto as of the Last and Naruto Gaiden

    Kid Goku it depends where you take him from, pre-Kamehameha, post-Kamehameha, pre Korins Tower, post Korins tower, etc etc. He had several stages.

    The three on one part of each round could potentially be a stomp via numbers if nothing else no matter what between the existing numbers advantage, Naruto’s massive clone spam being able to cover, and the potential for Naruto and Luffy to pull off a combination attack of Luffy slingshotting a Naruto with Rasengan into Goku’s face and that’s with assuming pre first time skip, though maybe latest possible Teen Goku could handle it not sure, a combination would be devastating to a fairly major degree no matter what though.

    Plus while kid Naruto might be the best for Kid Goku early Shippuden Naruto doesnt’ have the firepower to quickly take down Pre-Raditz Goku..

    Again though I’m just bringing that up because the last time the lack of specified Time-Skips came up that’s what Admin said

  28. Jake_Uzumaki October 26, 2015 at 8:32 pm -      #28

    “Anything else?”

    depending on how you take WoG from Toriyama he’s weaker than buffed fully charged Kamehameha to destroy the moon Roshi in raw firepower, but makes up for it in more balanced stats (very much like the issue Trunks buff form had with Cell and then buff Cell had with Gohan. Buffed forms have more than enough power, but not quite enough speed to make it relevant). Plus the statement implied Roshi at his peak power (ie buff+charge time) was always at lower end Frieza Saga levels (ie he can handle Frieza cannon fodder as we had seen in Revival of F and may see in Super) in raw power.

    So take the statement that Roshi had more raw power than Goku until somewhere after Raditz showed up how you will but remember thats raw power only and not any other stat.

  29. Jake_Uzumaki October 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm -      #29

    And found the quote again but all it really says is Roshi is only strong enough to do stuff like he does in Revival of F if he feels like it
    ” “only that strong if he feels like it” ”

    So…yeah not sure why the other place I saw it discussed took what they did from it but…make of it what you will my bad on the possibly faulty interpretation in 28

    Edit: Found the interview, the question that was an answer to was asking if Roshi was always that strong, so yeah “only that strong if he feels like it” was the response to the question was Roshi always that strong…make of that what you will.

  30. Mea quidem sententia October 26, 2015 at 11:20 pm -      #30

    @Kitten Lord
    While I agree with you, you’re not really one to talk.

  31. Jake_Uzumaki October 26, 2015 at 11:34 pm -      #31

    @Mea
    your probably a good person to ask, since your here, so question. When characters cut things with the, I guess you’d say shockwave from their sword slash is the only way I can describe it..does that imply physical strength?

  32. Mea quidem sententia October 27, 2015 at 9:00 am -      #32

    No. It likely refers to what you might call “razor wind”, which is common in Japanese anime/manga. It may have originated with the kamaitachi, which was probably an explanation forthe cutting sensation from experiencing wind chill. Sonic the Hedehog can do a razor wind attack, as can some flying-type Pokemon. So Idon’t that’s indicative of someone’s strength, but probably some other ability.

  33. Jake_Uzumaki October 27, 2015 at 11:53 am -      #33

    Ah okay.

    And on the note of trippy sword slashes…would the ground beneath the person slashing rippling like water be indicative of anything?

  34. Mea quidem sententia October 27, 2015 at 4:20 pm -      #34

    I’m not sure what you mean by rippling. Are you referring to the way the slashing looks? A visual might help.

  35. Jake_Uzumaki October 27, 2015 at 4:46 pm -      #35

    I mean the ground actually…for lack of better phrasing rippling the way water does if you drop a heavy object into it.
    youtu.be/OxN1jr8EcGc
    a little after 2:15 Kurama Naruto uses Sasuke’s Susanoo sword to strike a lava golem and, the ground for lack of a better word seems to ripple

  36. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 27, 2015 at 4:54 pm -      #36

    @Jake Wow, need to watch the movie now.

  37. LadyRamkin October 27, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #37

    @Friendlysociopath
    You are internet buff right? I have tried to suggest some matches, but is am so level 1 that i have no idea if they actually went through or not, can you tell me if the emails actually got sent? I doubt that many will get posted but it would be nice to know if they are even being considered.

  38. Jake_Uzumaki October 27, 2015 at 5:31 pm -      #38

    Well I had a link to it but it got taken down.

    The fight with Momoshiki doesn’t have a lot of jutsu in it due to him being able to absorb them and redirect them. But Naruto gives Boruto an Ultra Big Ball Rasengan which clashes with and overwhelms Momoshiki’s dark Ultra Big Ball Rasengan before blasting through and destroying 90% of the alien god tree stump digging up a huge trench and then blasting through the cloud layer to explode in the upper atmosphere/out of orbit ending the fight (either through straight up murder or sending Momoshiki flying into the void of space)

    youtu.be/ExcVxHVq5N0
    Naruto does condense the blast of a massive Tailed Beast Ball earlier in the film though and I do mean massive.

  39. Mea quidem sententia October 27, 2015 at 6:00 pm -      #39

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    It looks like an earthquake occurs. I’m not sure what the energy would be, though.

  40. Jake_Uzumaki October 27, 2015 at 6:27 pm -      #40

    @Mea
    okay, thanks for looking at least.

  41. Mea quidem sententia October 27, 2015 at 7:09 pm -      #41

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    You’re welcome. I was going to say something like a magnitude of 6, but I wasn’t so certain and I don’t plan on making such a huge leap without a lot of evidence.

  42. Jake_Uzumaki October 27, 2015 at 7:53 pm -      #42

    I understand, I wish we had more to go on with the feat but that’s pretty much the only indication of the damage it does.

  43. Ragnorke October 28, 2015 at 12:32 pm -      #43

    Has Goku actually tanked planet busting attacks though?

    Having watched bits and pieces of all four of these animes, Ichigo is likely the fastest combatant.
    His powers are almost completely different every arc though, so really difficult to power scale or gauge feats.
    Best way to use him in a match would be composite imo. (perhaps without the transcended god form)

  44. Rookie October 28, 2015 at 12:56 pm -      #44

    @Ragnorke

    “Has Goku actually tanked planet busting attacks though?”

    From 2:49:00:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntMfV3AsVkQ

  45. pimpmage October 28, 2015 at 1:17 pm -      #45

    @Rookie
    To be fair, that would be equivilant to catching a warhead:
    www.pogo.org/assets/images/national-security/warhead_cutaway_5.jpg
    And saying you tanked the blast it has yet to cause.

  46. Batz October 28, 2015 at 1:51 pm -      #46

    Y’know, I just thought of something. Frieza’s first form easily destroyed Planet Vegeta with one shot, right?
    Didn’t Vegeta have ten times Earth’s gravity, and therefore mass?
    Wouldn’t it have taken 10x the energy needed to destroy the Earth to do that?
    (I might have the relation between gravity and mass messed up.)

  47. Nsl98 October 28, 2015 at 1:51 pm -      #47

    Yeah, I’m with pimp on this. All he did was catch it…

  48. Rookie October 28, 2015 at 1:56 pm -      #48

    @pimpmage

    “To be fair, that would be equivilant to catching a warhead:”

    This is concentrate energy, we can’t use analogy with warhead sadly.

  49. pimpmage October 28, 2015 at 2:12 pm -      #49

    “This is concentrate energy, we can’t use analogy with warhead sadly.”

    Why didn’t it explode upon contact with his hands the way it did with the planet?

  50. Rookie October 28, 2015 at 3:18 pm -      #50

    @pimpmage

    “Why didn’t it explode upon contact with his hands the way it did with the planet?”

    Because Goku can manipulate and supress that weird ki power too.

  51. pimpmage October 28, 2015 at 3:25 pm -      #51

    So the bomb was kept dormant while goku was holding it. Thats like carrying around a warhead and saying you are tanking the explosion it has yet to cause.

  52. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 4:31 pm -      #52

    I agree with pimpmage as well. I’m not sure why the question regarding Goku’s ability to survive a planet’s destruction would matter, though.

  53. Nsl98 October 28, 2015 at 4:58 pm -      #53

    Because then that means the HST actually have a shot.

    All this time I was under the impression Goku had planet durability, but if the video in post 44 is the only thing suggesting it then he definitely doesn’t.

    Though I guess it makes sense now that I think about it. Vegeta got killed by the planet blowing up in RoF and that hasn’t been retconned yet.

  54. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 5:25 pm -      #54

    @Nsl98
    For as long as I’ve watched DBZ and DB before that, I’ve forgotten a lot of things about Goku. I was asking pimpmage about how fast Luffy was, but he didn’t give me an answer on that, but instead told me what he thinks Luffy’s reaction time and punching speed were. I am still in doubt, however, since Naruto Forums hardly even questions or doubts calculations from what I’ve seen.

  55. FinalxFantasy October 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm -      #55

    When, since no one has really listed Goku’s stats yet… I’m going to do end of DB beginning of DBZ Goku because that’s seems like it would be the best chance the other combatants have. I’m not sure if you all allow using power levels, but it’s a good way to kind of gauge Goku’s abilities. I’m going to be using feats and then comparing his power level when he did the feat to his power level at the tournament to get a rough estimate. If you don’t like the power levels, you can just use the feats at base.
    ~
    Goku’s stats:
    ~
    Strength. Goku moved a 750 ton boulder at the age of 11 with a power level of 100. static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124813/2518772-kid_goku_pusing_200_ton_boulder.jpg
    ~
    Goku has a power level of 400 by the tournament. 400/100 = 4. And 4×750 = 3000. So Goku can move around 3000 tons.
    ~
    Speed. There’s quite a few feats to suggest Goku is lightspeed as a child.
    ~
    1: Krillin and Jackie Chun having a full fight, conversation, and rock paper scissors battle in the span of a second.
    ~
    2: Goku dodging a laser static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3075675-1571148891-o96.i.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/4733378-3467885936-LZ8fg.gif
    ~
    And 3: Goku outrunning the Solar Flare i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/dragonball_v11_131.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071775-3232751227-24586.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114806/3071780-8612189208-25066.jpg
    ~
    I like using the Solar Flare feat. So Goku has a power level of 180 when he fights Tien. 400/180 = 2.2 So Goku should be just over 2 times lightspeed.
    ~
    Attack power. Master Roshi blows up the moon with a power level of 150. 400/150 = 2.5 times. So Goku can destroy the moon twice over.
    ~
    However, Piccolo Jr. was only able to blow up a mountain. And he had to charge for this feat. So that would mean Master Roshi bulked up is more powerful than Jr. So I’m not sure about this one. Goku is stronger than Jr. though, so he would be somewhere in this range.
    ~
    Durability. Goku’s Durability is roughly equal to what he can dish out. So between mountain level and 2.5 moons.

  56. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 28, 2015 at 5:37 pm -      #56

    “All this time I was under the impression Goku had planet durability, but if the video in post 44 is the only thing suggesting it then he definitely doesn’t.”

    Frieza is the only character to survive a planet exploding, Bills did in the DBS Manga and depending on your interpretation of the final scene of BotG could casually fly through planets of unknown size and mass, Buu only survived planetary explosions due to regen, and Cell almost always got blasted to bits on attacks that were supposedly that powerful and survived due to regen as well.
    =
    “Though I guess it makes sense now that I think about it. Vegeta got killed by the planet blowing up in RoF and that hasn’t been retconned yet.”

    When Kid Buu blew up Earth Goku and Vegeta were scared for their lives and even when Cell was going to do it the Z Fighters were horrified as well. Nothing in the series has ever really lead to them being able to survive that level of attack. DBS will probably change that if it hasn’t already.

  57. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 28, 2015 at 5:38 pm -      #57

    There’s a reason Jake always calls DB characters glass canons.

  58. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 6:32 pm -      #58

    If Goku had a power level of 100 and moved a 750 ton boulder, and if his power level increased up to 400, then his power level increased by 300%, not 400%. The reason is because if you have an increase in something, you need to take the original number and subtract it with the new number. This would mean you should take 400 and subtract it by 100, which will give you 300. Then you take 300 and divide it by the original number, 100. You’ll end up with a 300% increase. Goku should be able to move 2,250 tons, assuming power levels actually mean anything.

    How long was this conversation? How long was this tournament? How long was this paper-rock-scissors game? As for reaction time, how do you know that’s a laser? I’m not sure how this solar flare attack is supposed to prove anything. 180 – 100 = 80 / 100 = 80%. I’m not sure what that’s supposed to prove, though, especially if Goku’s power level wasn’t even 400 yet. I am under the impression that this is so, since you said Goku’s power level is 180. What was Goku’s power level when Master Roshi’s was 150?

    I don’t know why Goku’s durability would be equal to his attack power. I take it you’re misusing Newton’s third law. If I punched a brick and was able to break it without injuring myself, does it mean that if someone throws a brick at me, I’ll be perfectly fine? Honestly, the fact that Krillin can throw a pebble at Goku when he’s sleeping and hurt him during the Cell saga tells me that your claim is complete and utter nonsense.

  59. Tarbel October 28, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #59

    FinalxFantasy:

    “1: Krillin and Jackie Chun having a full fight, conversation, and rock paper scissors battle in the span of a second.”

    That’s just fast not even close to light speed. More like a skirmish, an exchange of words, and rock-paper-scissors battle in a short instant (something like that happening in even 2 seconds would be blur to a normal human).

    “2: Goku dodging a laser static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3075675-1571148891-o96.i.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/4733378-3467885936-LZ8fg.gif ”

    Anime lasers aren’t necessarily lightspeed. They aren’t specified to be lasers. Lasers don’t have a ball of energy at the muzzle, it’d just be a straight beam.

    “And 3: Goku outrunning the Solar Flare i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/dragonball_v11_131.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3071775-3232751227-24586.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111114806/3071780-8612189208-25066.jpg
    I like using the Solar Flare feat. So Goku has a power level of 180 when he fights Tien. 400/180 = 2.2 So Goku should be just over 2 times lightspeed. ”

    Goku was aware that the attack was coming and he would just need to move faster than Tien could perceive in order to get the glasses before the Solar Flare activates.


    Nothing tells us that power levels scale in any way close to linear with strength/speed/durability/etc. It pretty much only tells us whether someone is stronger than another person.

  60. The hero of Anime October 28, 2015 at 7:53 pm -      #60

    Round 1 = Naruto lose, Luffy Migth Win & Ichigo Migth lose with some high dificulty. = all 3 of them Will beat Kid Goku, and Migth give Teen Goku a challange.

    Round 2 = Naruto Lose, Luffy Migth have 50/50 chance & Ichigo Migth lose here. = All 3 of them will beat Kid Goku + migth beat Teen Goku, early DBZ Goku will win with some little problems.

    Round 3 = Naruto migth win, Luffy migth win & Ichigo migth Win = A 3 of them will beat Early DBZ Goku.

    Round 4 = HST will Lose, Adult post DBZ and DBGT Goku is to much for HST.

  61. Jake_Uzumaki October 28, 2015 at 7:54 pm -      #61

    “Honestly, the fact that Krillin can throw a pebble at Goku when he’s sleeping and hurt him during the Cell saga tells me that your claim is complete and utter nonsense.”

    Not saying this isn’t accurate but this is more because DBZ characters (and Naruto characters as well) are more durable when their aura’s are active then at a resting state. This crops up again in Revival of F Goku drops his aura and an attack that would never be able to damage him with it up near fataly wounds him.

    Ki aura’s raise their durability though I’m not sure to what degree at any point in time with them.

    Like I mention above Naruto suffers from a similar issue (though his regen counters it to some degree) even at end of series where he’s essentially early Saiyan Saga levels at least physically if nothing else. His full power mode is vastly more durable than his base form although by end of series even his base form is ridiculously durable for his universe but the fact remains that it is the case.

    Luffy sort of has a similar mechanic with his Haki, though his rubber body can compensate a hell of a lot for when his haki isn’t up.

    I’m not sure if Ichigo has a similar issue or not but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.

  62. Envoy October 28, 2015 at 8:00 pm -      #62

    “When Kid Buu blew up Earth Goku and Vegeta were scared for their lives and even when Cell was going to do it the Z Fighters were horrified as well.”
    +
    Because it, like every other planet buster, was stronger than whatever the Z fighters used last.
    =
    “Honestly, the fact that Krillin can throw a pebble at Goku when he’s sleeping and hurt him during the Cell saga tells me that your claim is complete and utter nonsense.”
    +
    Never happened.
    =
    “I’m not sure if Ichigo has a similar issue or not but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.”
    +
    Ichigo vs Kenpachi shows a similar phenomena.

  63. Jake_Uzumaki October 28, 2015 at 8:12 pm -      #63

    “Never happened.”

    That particular instance didn’t but we have similar did happen wonky feats
    Frieza is more durable than any of the Saiyans but with his aura down he got shashimied vs Goku with a ki aura around his finger blocking the very same sword.
    And I’m sure there are probably others that I just can’t think of now.

    @Hero of Anime
    just feel like pointing out, due to no specification on the part of the OP which Time Skip, we talked to Admin about this in a previous match without this specification and Admin basically said to use most recent/current time skips with Naruto so Round 1 is Naruto as of the Last(before the 10 year timeskip), round 2 would be Naruto Gaiden (the most recent showings after the 10 year time skip), round 3 would be Boruto the movie which is several months I believe after Gaiden.

  64. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 8:16 pm -      #64

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    I don’t doubt their ki protects them from more powerful attacks, but Newton’s third law is still being misused.

  65. Ninja Lowk October 28, 2015 at 8:19 pm -      #65

    “Goku has a power level of 400 by the tournament. 400/100 = 4. And 4×750 = 3000. So Goku can move around 3000 tons.”

    He had to go super saiyan to handle 160 tons effectively.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60860/1152904-db_v36_106.gif

  66. Jake_Uzumaki October 28, 2015 at 8:32 pm -      #66

    @Mea
    Oh I didn’t mean to imply anything in your post was wrong, it was spot on. I was just clarifying/adding context to the Krillin scene.

  67. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 9:01 pm -      #67

    @Ninja Lowk
    There is a difference between pushing an object and lifting it.

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    I know.

  68. FinalxFantasy October 28, 2015 at 9:15 pm -      #68

    @Mea Quidem Sententia 400 is 4 times greater than 100. So, if power levels scale linearly (They don’t, they scale exponentially, but we can still get a low end number that works), Goku should be 4 times stronger than he was with a power level of 100. I’m not seeing how you’re having trouble with this logic. It’s pretty simple.
    ~
    And Goku’s power level isn’t stated before the Tournament when he fights Roshi in the finals. We just know it’s higher than 10, but lower than Roshi’s. 100 seemed like a reasonable guess. I could have been around 50 really, but that would just make Goku stronger.
    ~
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlf235XyGM
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pmxxf-Bps8
    Start at 4:00 on the first one. It shows that they do all of that so fast that the audience catches nothing.
    ~
    And Jake_Uzumaki already answered this bit about the durability. So I won’t bother.
    ~
    @Tarble www.youtube.com/watch?v=22cKsGD5Dlg I don’t know why I couldn’t find this fight without this weird music. But you’re right, it is debatable if it’s a laser or not. Especially from this weird angle. I’m willing to bet it is. Though I admit I can’t prove it.
    ~
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZifGi-BBo0 start this one at 10:40. It clearly shows Gcoku without the glasses before Tien activates the technique. Then Tien uses the Flare while watching Goku. Then Goku runs to Master Roshi, grabs his glasses and puts them on, and then runs back to place all before the light hits his eyes. Goku could have moved faster than Tien can see before he activated it, but Goku has never been able to move that fast. At 1:00 in this same video, Goku uses speed to try and lose Tien. Tien keeps track of Goku the entire time. The only way this feat works is if Goku moved before the light from the attack hits him and gives Tien a silhouette to see.
    ~
    And actually, while it’s true power levels don’t scale linearly, they do make sense. The main thing to remember is that characters are always more powerful than their power levels should linearly suggest. So using them to find a low-end for the characters is completely valid. I can give you some examples if you’d like.

  69. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 9:44 pm -      #69

    @FinalxFantasy
    Percentage increase involves math, which you should know if you’re going to use logic.

    www.skillsyouneed.com/num/percent-change.html

    This site says exactly what I was saying. Even Purple Math says the same thing.

    Increase = new number – original number

    Divide increase by original number

    Multiply by 100 to get the percent.

    So follow what I was saying.

    Increase = 400 – 100

    300 / 100

    3 * 100 = 300%

    If you’d like, you can scroll down the link and use the calculator, which will result in 300%.

    All of that in a second could easily be covered by moving faster than the eye can see. It in no way suggests light speed, however. Jake also didn’t address the durability aspect, as you can see he doesn’t disagree with the misuse of Newton’s third law.

  70. pimpmage October 28, 2015 at 9:52 pm -      #70

    Measuring change is this formula:

    DeltaC= C final – C initial

  71. Mea quidem sententia October 28, 2015 at 10:16 pm -      #71

    Indeed, Δ means a change in something, but what I’m working with is percentage increase and decrease.

  72. Jake_Uzumaki October 28, 2015 at 10:35 pm -      #72

    Yeah damage output does not automatically equal durability, the concept of glass cannons wouldn’t exist otherwise.

    Most of the characters in this match are glass cannons to one degree or another depending on incarnation and form, Ichigo’s Final Getsugo Tensho incarnation would be the biggest glass cannon form if he was the version being used since he turns into an essentially baseline human if he uses his penultimate attack, thankfully as far as I understand it that is not the version involved here though.
    ———–
    I’d say the best bet for team HST in the final round of the final round would be use Naruto’s shadow clones to keep Goku in a general area as much as possible so that everyone can nail him with their most powerful moves (Luffy’s Gear 4 god killer fist thing he busted out at the end of the Doffy fight can’t remember the name, Naruto’s gigantic Ashura Kurama Avatar Rasenshurikens, and I guess Ichigo’s latest Getsugo Tensho….if we had any idea what his current full power destructive capacity actually was)
    Between those three they should at least be able to heavily injure Goku if they can’t kill him (though there was that time GT Goku was cut by glass but I don’t remember if his aura was up or not)

  73. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 28, 2015 at 11:41 pm -      #73

    “He had to go super saiyan to handle 160 tons effectively.”

    Wasn’t it 40 tons overall not each? And I forget, was it on King Kai’s planet with 10x gravity or not?

  74. Jake_Uzumaki October 29, 2015 at 12:20 am -      #74

    it was on a Kai’s planet but I don’t remember if it was said to have the same gravity as King Kai’s

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