What If… Sanguinius was replaced by the Helm during Siege of Terra?

What If... Sanguinius was replaced by the Helm during Siege of Terra

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What If… Sanguinius was replaced by the Helm (Forgotten Realms) during Siege of Terra (Warhammer 40K)?

Helm at full power.

Could IoM forces still win?

Can Helm take on Horus?

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13 Comments on "What If… Sanguinius was replaced by the Helm during Siege of Terra?"

  1. pimpmage October 23, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #1

    Who the heck is Helm?

  2. Numinous One October 23, 2015 at 12:58 am -      #2

    Helm as in the guardian deity?
    Charged by the Overgod to lay a smackdown on disobedient gods?

    Dunno about physical confrontations but magic wise he should be at least planetary, since we know Lolth was.

  3. Rookie October 23, 2015 at 1:22 am -      #3

    @pimpmage

    “Who the heck is Helm?”

    forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Helm

    Helm’s avatar laughed off a this explosion:

    “Then Helm was upon Mystra, turning her to face his wrath.
    “No!” Midnight screamed, and both Kelemvor and Adon looked to the sky just in time to see Helm run Mystra through with his hand.
    Mystra’s head was thrown back in unknowable agony as her essence fled from her avatar and her fragile human flesh exploded. Midnight felt an intense heat rush toward her, as if a searing, invisible wall of energy was approaching. The bluish white fires that had set the grass ablaze with their gentle magics now became black flames that scoured the earth and left the soil barren in their wake. The devastation began in the area directly below the goddess, and branched out in every direction.
    Midnight attempted to summon a wall of force to protect her comrades. Streaks of light began to swirl around the group of adventurers, and in moments they were surrounded by a prismatic sphere. Despite the whirlwind of colors that made up the walls of the protective globe, the adventurers were able to catch glimpses of the chaos that reigned around them.
    The horizon seemed to blur and the earth and sky became one as huge black glass pillars formed from the air and rooted themselves to the ground in a wide circle around the adventurers and the Celestial Stairway, similar to the colonnade where they’d spent the night. The clouds turned black as the pillars rose up to greet them and beautiful gossamer beams of soft pastel-colored light broke from between the black clouds. The beams swept back and forth, searing the surface of the earth and creating fissures big enough to swallow a man.
    Rivers of flaming blood filled the cracks in the ground, and the heat that radiated from the boiling rivers of blood was terrible. The black columns were shattered by the beams, and immense pieces of debris crashed to the ground as the beams lost their form and became wisps that sliced through the air, destroying all they touched.
    Castle Kilgrave fell before the onslaught, its walls exploding like chalk. The massive towers at each corner collapsed inward and the walls connecting them sank into rubble.
    In the sky, Helm stood at the apex of the disaster, his body a silhouette against the blinding light of the sun behind him. Midnight saw Helm bring down his hand once more, cleaving a swirling mass that hung in the air before him.”

    And his avatar defeated godness of magic:

    “Mystra froze. “Not a god, you say? I will prove you wrong!”
    Helm lowered his eyes, then looked back to her. “So be it.”
    Mystra called upon all the energy she had gathered as she advanced upon the God of Guardians. She shuddered with power as she prepared her first spell.
    On the ground below, Midnight watched as the gods moved toward one another. Helm reached out even as Mystra loosed bolts of fire against him. Helm recoiled from the magic and gritted his teeth as the tiny white fires seared his skin. The guardian swung a fist in Mystra’s direction and the goddess moved back to avoid the blow, nearly falling from the stairway in the process.
    Helm advanced forward. He was not armed in any way, yet flames seemed to leap from his hands as he moved toward the goddess. Mystra knew instinctively that she must not allow his hands to touch her. She moved back, and primal magic cleaved the air around the guardian. Mystra attempted to summon Bigby’s Crushing Hand, but the spell went awry and a countless number of razor-sharp claws sailed toward Helm. The guardian shrugged them off without effort.
    Helm’s hand came down in an arc, and Mystra fell an incredible pain pierce the core of her being as his fingers ripped across her chest. A spray of blood reached into the air, painting tiny flickering sparks of magic a deep crimson and forcing them out of existence.
    Mystra felt her blood turn cold as Helm’s hand grazed her shoulder. In retaliation, the Goddess of Magic released a spell meant to attack Helm’s psyche, exploiting his fears and forcing him to bow before her as he quaked in terror. The guardian gritted his teeth and struck again, ignoring Mystra’s attack. The guardian’s greatest fear had been to fail Ao. As he had already confronted this fear, there was nothing left to frighten him.
    Mystra realized she had lost even as Helm’s hand moved across her midsection, opening a gash in her flesh that released a torrent of bluish white fires along with a splatter of blood. Then the goddess felt a cold breeze beside her neck as Helm came within inches of taking her throat.
    Cyric stood and watched as the gods attempted to slay one another, fascinated by the spectacle. He felt a rush of excitement every time Helm delivered a blow. The sight of a god’s blood falling from the sky filled him with an inexplicable bliss.
    Mystra avoided another of Helm’s thrusts and delivered an advanced spell of binding, causing shackles formed from primal magic to descend on the guardian. Helm shrugged them off without effort, but Mystra used the momentary distraction to stumble past the guardian. It was difficult to concentrate beyond the incredible agonies her body had endured, but she clawed her way up the stairway, her mind reeling as the gateway rose up before her and the true majesty of the Planes presented itself. For an instant, the goddess caught a glimpse of the beauty and perfection of her home in Nirvana.
    All this was mine, Mystra thought. She reached the summit, her legs trembling beneath her. Then the Goddess of Magic grabbed for the gate, and a hand grasped her arm, spinning her around. There was a look of sadness in Helm’s eyes.
    “Farewell, goddess,” Helm said.
    Then he drove his hand through her chest.”

    Helm at full power should be above planetary AFAIK.

  4. Dmtl October 23, 2015 at 2:05 am -      #4

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  5. pimpmage October 23, 2015 at 7:49 am -      #5

    “@pimp notice me senpai! Look on Steam for Battlefleet Gothic: Armada WH40k fleet based RTS.”

    I’ve seen the trailers, I can only hope the scale between ships remains consistent, as well as maybe give us some codexes with stats about the ships.

  6. Friendlysociopath October 23, 2015 at 10:33 am -      #6

    @Rookie
    So is that a confirmed mention of Prismatic spells being durable enough to shake off God-level attacks? Cause that just makes me giddy when I remember some of the other D&D matches where they know that spell.

  7. Rookie October 23, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #7

    @Friendlysociopath

    “So is that a confirmed mention of Prismatic spells being durable enough to shake off God-level attacks?”

    That was a not god level attack. When Mystra truly died at the hands of Cyric that started spellplague, which consumed entire planets and systems. When Mystra died at the hands of Helm’s avatar he contained most of the blast and that was left was only a power of three to four nukes, give or take one. Such attack is not god-level.

    But about prismatic spells. It depends who cast them IMO. Mage above had power and essense of Mystra inside of her, sorta like a way out for godness if everything go wrong, so it may or may not be that her spell was powered up by Mystra. I believe that it was powered up.

  8. pimpmage October 23, 2015 at 1:46 pm -      #8

    So I don’t know much about helm. But there are three roles sang filed during the battle. First, he helped plan out the battles. Second, he single handily held off an entire army of space marines and demons while guarding the infinity gate. And lastly, he made a chink in horus’s armor that allowed the emperor to succeed. Would he be able to do all 3 of those things?

  9. Dmtl October 23, 2015 at 3:18 pm -      #9

    Eternity Gate not infinity gate :)

  10. Friendlysociopath October 23, 2015 at 3:56 pm -      #10

    First, he helped plan out the battles.

    Exactly what sort of planning? Intimate knowledge of the enemy and area? Or just general stuff?

    Second, he single handily held off an entire army of space marines and demons while guarding the infinity gate

    Should be well within Helm’s power- though more details would be nice.

    And lastly, he made a chink in horus’s armor that allowed the emperor to succeed.

    Exactly how durable is Horus armor? Miracle- which is a deity directly intervening to help someone- has been compared to the power to wipe the life off of a small planet.
    I’d imagine the real deal actually pulling through and giving it their all would be significantly more power.

  11. Rookie October 23, 2015 at 4:02 pm -      #11

    @Friendlysociopath

    “Exactly what sort of planning? Intimate knowledge of the enemy and area? Or just general stuff?”

    Dorn, Malcador and GEOM did most of the prep. Sanguinius appeared near the start of the siege and have little to do with planning, he mostly was busy with killing traitors.

  12. Dmtl October 23, 2015 at 4:19 pm -      #12

    Horus’s armour was said to be the best piece of Terminator plate to come out of a renowned Forge on Mars. Added it was powered up with warp/chaos power from all 4 chaos deities.

  13. pimpmage October 23, 2015 at 4:23 pm -      #13

    “Should be well within Helm’s power- though more details would be nice.”

    I don’t think there is much in the way of details right now in fluff. The horus heresy series is slowly filling out the previously skeletal structure of older lore. But it hasn’t yet arrived at the final moments of the series.

    “actly how durable is Horus armor? Miracle- which is a deity directly intervening to help someone- has been compared to the power to wipe the life off of a small planet.”

    It’s defiantly more psychically protected than physical. The weapon horus weilds was imbued with a portion of GEOM’s power. It was used to shatter the veil between dimensions in ‘vengeful spirit’. GEOMS own weapon would most likely retain the same ability. And something sang did created a hole in that armor that for some reason GEOM wouldn’t have been able to do. So who knows.

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