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HADOKEN!
Nothing can withstand the Hadoken spam of death.
Charging Star!
Shield Slash!
Stars and Stripes!
Turnips!
Phalanges!!
SHORYUKEN!
This ain’t Marvel vs. Capcom 3, bitches. I’m tired of Cap, so I’ll go with Ryu. (His name is not pronounced ree-you or rye-you, by the way. Ryu is one syllable, so it’s more like ruu with the letter R sounding kind of like a D. And Chun in Chun Li is pronounced choon.)
I’d like some pound cake
Seriously though doesn’t Ryu fight a guy that sinks islands with a punch?
@ninja lowk
he does his name is akuma.
Ahh, but captain america throws his mighty shield
Cap warp strafes ftw.
Cap is faster. Ryu wins in all otherphysical departments AFAIK.
Don’t think he can damage the shield though, or survive a full swing of it.
Ryu also has range advantage, but cap has encountered alot of similar beams before and would know to block.
@Lowk
“Nothing can withstand the Hadoken spam of death.”
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“Seriously though doesn’t Ryu fight a guy that sinks islands with a punch?”
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Yep, but Ryu isn’t on the same tier on Akuma.
The only people that are capable of matching him are Oro and Gen.
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@Ragnorke
“Cap is faster. Ryu wins in all otherphysical departments AFAIK.”
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Their durability and striking strength are about the same IIRC, unless you’re counting Evil Ryu.
Captain America dodges bullets, right? That should be way faster than what Ryu has to offer.
@Aelfinn
yes on several occasions
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This is more just moving faster/intercepting bullets but still:
Red Skull fires three bullets at a man across the room, Cap who was next to Red Skull (we see his shield right beside Skull) moves into a position in front of the man
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throws shield fast enough to intercept bullets
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these are two of the more over the top bullet reaction feats he has.
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how good is Ryu’s durability? Cap has a hell of an arm on him.
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throws shield through a truck the long way
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decapitates a Tiger Tank
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taking down a helicopter
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Bucky/Winter Soldier fires, Cap dodges while throwing the shield at just the right angle just hard enough that it ricochets and ko’s Bucky
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throwing rebar reinforced concrete chunk at second story machine gun nest hard enough to cause decent damage
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punches the 800 pound Adamantium Boned Wolverine hard enough to fly through a Jeep…pretty sure that takes some ridiculous strength doesn’t it? Is there a way to calc that?
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see’s a surface to air missile launched at night in a storm, and leaps from the plane, while throwing the shield accurately enough to hit two HYDRA agents, and crushes the car with his landing.
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Wolverine is actually 300 lbs.
Right my bad misread it when I got the link, point still stands that it probably required a good amount of strength
“pretty sure that takes some ridiculous strength doesn’t it? Is there a way to calc that?”
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You know…there should be.
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Did a bit of research, looked at a few things…so here we go. Now, if you look closely at the picture, Wolverine got punched through two doors, not just one. In a side crash test, only one side of the car is hit, but it’s both doors. So what I’m saying is that a side crash test should be comparable, at least in some way, to what Wolverine went through. Of course, this might not be totally accurate due to stuff like frame damage, but I would imagine you would only have to divide this result by 3 or 4.
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So in a Side Crash Test,
www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ratings-info/side-test
A 3300 pound object is run into a car at 31 miles per hour.
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That comes to 143735 Joules.
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That means that if Wolverine is 300 pounds and exerted the same energy, he was moving at approximately 46 meters per second, or a little over 100 miles per hour.
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Now I will make a few estimates of the strength that would have required.
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First, a low-end. We know the speed of Wolverine and his mass. We don’t know how long the punch stayed in contact with him, so I’ll say the fist and the face stayed in contact for 0.1 seconds. That’s likely a very large over-estimation, and if someone could find a more accurate number, I’d be very much obliged. Anyway, based on this information, and this equation:
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We can calculate that Captain America exerted 62514 Newtons, or 14053 pounds of force. That’s over 7 tons.
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Now for the high-end.
So let’s assume that Captain America’s punch connected with Wolverine and stayed connected for 0.4 meters of the follow-through.
So if V^2 = V0^2 + 2ax
x = 0.4
V = 46
That means Wolverine experienced 2640 m/s/s of acceleration. (That’s 269 G’s).
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To apply that to 300 pounds would require 359338 Newtons, or 80782 POUNDS of Force. That’s 40 tons.
Jesus, I hate Captain America more and more each time.
DA FUCK O_o I realize that punching force not lifting strength but jeeze fucking loise if Wolverine didn’t have his adamantium bones that probably would have decapitated him….or worse..
How did DeathBattle come to Batman beating Cap again?
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How well will Ryu take a punch like that to the face?
Bullet timing is well within Ryu’s paygrade.
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But the strength thing is beyond Ryu if the calculations are correct.
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@Jake
Ryu wouldn’t be able to take a punch like that in the face.
Not sure if Evil Ryu could or couldn’t.
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Death Battle said Batman won because he has tons of tools and wouldn’t engage him in CQC or something like that.
“Bullet timing is well within Ryu’s paygrade.”
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Is it? Now I’m not the most knowledgeable about Street Fighter, but you’ve got to react to Mach 1-3 objects if you’re a bullet timer, and I haven’t seen that kind of speed. Unless, of course, we’re dealing with Ryu from his Asura crossover, but that’s a smidge non-canon.
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“Wolverine didn’t have his adamantium bones that probably would have decapitated him….or worse..”
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Yeah, that should paste most people. That’s of course assuming it’s legitimate. The math itself should be correct, but the logic might be off somewhere. I don’t THINK so, but it might be.
Balrog tossed a car or some crazy shit in the anime for SFxT. I think he’s probably stronger than Ryu.
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Ryu is explicitly stated to have much superior Chi control than Ken. Ken is explicitly shown to be physically Ryu’s superior. They balance each other out.. in that Ryu is a hadouken spamming scrub, and Ken will punch your balls through your skull if you ever try to jump.
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Cap is probably stronger than Ryu.
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Although his training with a boulder feat was impressive.
LOL look at Mea trying to teach us how to Engrish.
“Yeah, that should paste most people. That’s of course assuming it’s legitimate. The math itself should be correct, but the logic might be off somewhere. I don’t THINK so, but it might be.”
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Well it could certainly explain some of his more ridiculous shield throws…like the tank, or the truck…or the time he threw it faster than an ICBM…….
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also somehow makes the times he’s jumped out of planes without parachutes seem more reasonable due to the fact that if he can do that with his arm muscles imagine what he can do with his damn legs…
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and on the subject of Cap not skipping leg day..Cap jumping onto the roof of what looks like a two story building
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leaping on to and across rooftops.
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I wonder how dense Caps muscles probably are.
“Well it could certainly explain some of his more ridiculous shield throws…like the tank, or the truck…or the time he threw it faster than an ICBM…….”
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Well I thought of it like this: would you expect a 300-pound piece of metal going 100 mph to penetrate 2 doors? Probably. It seems reasonable enough to me, at least. If that’s the case, then how quickly he accelerated the metal would tell us how strong he is. Considering he did it with a punch, that’s pretty frickin’ fast. All-in-all the logic seems good, even if the exact numbers are little iffy. Of course, the exact numbers are always a little iffy when it comes to fictional calcs.
Like I said it suddenly makes a lot of things about Caps feats make a lot more sense.
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It also makes me think about what a full force punch from other characters would be like and the horribly brutality of what they would be.
Sorry but fuck this shit Cap is again I said it somewhere else but “supposed” to be “peak human conditioning” not this bullshit.
Omfg. We use feats from his source material, that is what we have always done, and that is what we will always do. If you dont like that. Fuck off. It simply isnt worth explaining this shit to you every fucking match. SURELY you knew how this site operated before you signed up??? You didnt just join the first debate site you found without looking at how we do things????? And if (like a fucking idiot) you didnt, you cant honestly expect us to change just to accept your whiney bullshit???
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……. no offense
@Dmtl
Comic book peak human =/= real world peak human.
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Feats are feats.
@lady actually I did :), this site was first this that popped up when I got curious and put in google God Emperor vs.
@Nsl I know but it’s just sad :(… it’s like in Captain America frist movie he was real world peak human, then by 2nd Avengers he’s like wtf superhuman strength…it’s just annoying
Dont know alot about comic cap but isnt the serum suposed to make him above peak?? Just like… by default.
@Lady not originally..
“How did DeathBattle come to Batman beating Cap again?”
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Batsuit reinforcement allowing him to hits that should splatter him. Bat’s survivablility is about as equally as bullshit as Cap’s physical ability.
“then by 2nd Avengers he’s like wtf superhuman strength…it’s just annoying”
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If you think about it as less of an unchangeable value it makes some sense. Cap is now, at base, peak human. Then he exercises to increase that strength like a normal nonaugmented human would.
That said, the Agent of Shield bulldozer feat is still stupid.
@Lowk, eh to get from where he was in First Avenger to Age of Ultron was just insane to me at least…btw how come we use a lot of movie version of Thor but never of Cap?
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Ok done venting about the Cap for now.
Technically Cap was originally boosted to Peak of Human Perfection not Peak Human, he’s stronger than the worlds strongest human, faster than the worlds fastest human, more agile than the worlds most agile human etc etc etc. He’s beyond what any human could achieve from training, the next step, what humans could become according to the scientists that worked with Erksine on the project. Cap is not peak human, Daredevil is peak human (or the comic book equivalent) Cap is beyond. The next phase of human ability. Or so people believed before Mutants and Inhumans stepped into the limelight and….all of that happened.
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One of the writers has stated as much
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” Ed Brubaker
I agree with parts of a lot of people’s comments here and elsewhere. But I think it’s a bit funny to see people get so bent out of shape when a guy who’s given something called the “Super Soldier Serum” turns out to be a bit more than the average human. He’s been leaping out of the windows of eight story buildings and across city streets in NYC, dodging bullets, doing amazing feats of speed and strength, since I started reading the book in the early 70s.
My take has always been that Cap is the peak of human POTENTIAL. What humans might someday be able to do, physically, he already can. If it was just about having an olypic-level athlete, do you really think all these groups and scientists would have been wasting 50plus years trying to replicate the SSS?
All I’ve done is have him say outloud what’s always been pretty clear to me as a fan of the character. He’s always been a lot stronger and faster than the average well-trained athlete. And I’ve always hated the Batman comparisons. Batman trained himself, Cap got given a miracle serum. I’m not making that up or changing anything.
Daredevil is more like Batman, physically, and yet in Born Again, Cap races by him so fast he’s a breeze. As for Cap running 60mph. In the comic, I think he says he can run a mile in a little over a minute when he HAS to. It’s not even implied that he can keep that up all day. It’s a full-on burst of speed, when he has to.”
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And he does make a good point, why would so many scientists try desperately to replicate a serum that….makes people peak human olympic athletes.
@Dmtl
Because movie Cap is basically a less skilled slightly less faster version of 616 or Ultimate Cap. It’s much easier to just go with canon Cap then movie Cap. Plus better and more feats overall. Though movie Cap has had a few matches here and there.
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And Movie Thor is a more balanced choice for the type of people usually associated with Comic Thor across the internet. Kratos vs 616 Thor? Cosmic stomp of epic proportions. If it was movie Thor though, that’s a balanced match. Same with Percy Jackson or Gannondorf.
Movie Cap does have crazy stuff outside of just the second Avengers movie though, in Winter Soldier he was doing crazy stuff and sending people flying, in the first Avengers he snapped a Chitauri’s neck with a blow, and back in the first season of Agents of SHIELD it was revealed he can push a parked bulldozer as a tackling sled in under a minute.
Even in his first movie he did some stuff your average peak human would be incapable of doing, we’re just getting more and more examples of how above he really is as they get more chances to show him off.
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And like Nsl98 said most Thor matches on here are comic Thor unless specifically stated, ditto Superman matches and pretty much every comic character with movie versions. But sometimes people want the movie version or have a match that works for the movie version but the comic version would god stomp in.
sometimes we use animated versions if thats more fair. It just depends
Fair points Jake and Nsl thank you.
@Aelfinn
“Is it? Now I’m not the most knowledgeable about Street Fighter, but you’ve got to react to Mach 1-3 objects if you’re a bullet timer”
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T’was the anime.
A thug was shooting him with a pistol at close range and Ryu kept dodging until he got close enough to punch him.
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Should I change this to Evil Ryu/Ryu that succumbed to the satsui no hado?
To try and make up for Captain America’s strength advantage?
I think it’s funny that the quote from Ed Brubaker is about peak human potential. Well, for one, the potential for a human is to run 40 mi/h, so even if the 60 mi/h dash is just a burst that cannot be extended for long periods, it still is an uninformed take on peak human potential. It’s not that someone like me is getting bent out of shape. It’s that if you’re going to make a character who is supposed to be what a human could be, do it right or don’t do it at all.
I’m not sure, to be honest I’m surprised by the advantages Cap has..
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then again I just found this fight with Red Skull who was in power armor, rather than posting all of them in multiple posts here’s a link to all of them you can scroll through all twelve. He gets bashed throw walls, thrown down several stories, and then the building collapses on both him and Skull and he’s still kicking….literally in the last scan in the set he kicks Skull in the face.
imgur.com/a/8MEGW#0
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True but this is the same character that got up after being shot in the face.
Cap getting up after being shot in the head
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Guts himself
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Proceeds to attack Zola’s citadel, traveling hundreds of miles on a hover motorcycle and starting the attack with jumping off it so it explodes to distract the mutants and splitting ones head open with a long range shield throw
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to be continued
Gets into the citadel and fights a super soldier clone made by Zola and enhanced further with Gamma Radiation. Kicks a hole in its stomach at one point (or seems to anyway) keep in mind this is all after he gutted himself..gets attacked by Ian next who was made with a perfected version of Zola’s corrupted serum
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to be continued
Gets impaled in the back
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looking for the events between these but at the end falls multiple stories
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As of right now I have 837 undefined and 40 seconds. Take that other people.
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“Should I change this to Evil Ryu/Ryu that succumbed to the satsui no hado?
To try and make up for Captain America’s strength advantage?”
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How much more powerful would that make him?
aand my comment is awaiting moderation even though there’s only five links…not sure why.
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some stuff from after those scans though
after his last blow, in spite of having gutted himself, being stabbed in the back, knocked down multiple stories by the mutant and getting into a fight with Zola’s super soldier daughter..
is still able to catch a full grown innocent creature of the dimension
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and I should mention he gutted himself to get Zola’s consciousness aka the Zola virus out of him and has been fighting the remnants inside him still this whole time
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Aand my bad the scans in post 52 take place before all the ones in post 50
LOL imgur.com/a/8MEGW#0 this scan the last frame. His shield is BEHIND Skull and yet he leaps backwards being in FRONT of Skull and has his shield. Add in Diamondback who he saw as dead…just gets up after all that…and I didn’t even look at the other links.
Also before the scans in post 50, literally immediately before he got shot
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then after that and the other stuff he’d gone through including post 50 still manages to block a bullet fired later on just before Ian stabbed him in the back with his razor shield
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Even after all of this is able to leap in the air and bash Zola’s face in after just some minor bandaging up
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Also the scans that show he gutted himself…then attack, in the attacking ones he has no stomach wounds you can clearly see it in some of the frames
he does he sewed his uniform back up though
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he even mentions the gaping hole in his stomach and wound in his chest in this scan
after getting back to Earth it was still there (just checked the issue where he got back) they couldn’t sew it up till they got all of the Zola gunk out of him
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Also probably fair to note he spent twelve years in that dimension, on the run in a hostile world controlled by a man who despises everything he stands for with an army at his command all leading up to that battle
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