Ciaphas Cain & Ferik Jurgen Vs Queen of Blades & Kain

Ciaphas Cain & Ferik Jurgen Vs Queen of Blades & Kain

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Ciaphas Cain & Ferik Jurgen (Warhammer 40k) face off against the Queen of Blades (StarCraft) and Kain (Legacy of Kain)

Rules:
Warp is EC with LoK and starcraft magic/psionics.

Ciaphas and Co are tipped off that they are being hunted by two powerful ‘psykers’.

Kain and QoB are told they are hunting two humans, and are given a description of Ciaphas and Jurgen.

The two groups start at opposite ends of the city.

Battle takes place in Mournhold (TES)

Who wins?

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53 Comments on "Ciaphas Cain & Ferik Jurgen Vs Queen of Blades & Kain"

  1. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 18, 2015 at 11:25 pm -      #1

    God-fucking-damnit Pimp! The one who bitches the most about this shit and you go and do it! Motherfucker! I hope your satisfied…

  2. Alpha or Omega October 18, 2015 at 11:27 pm -      #2

    This was definitely paid for…not that there’s anything wrong with it.
    /
    So, uh,
    BankGambling cap guy.
    “Team 1, you’re fighting a powerful telepathic and telekinetic team. But, don’t worry, your powers cancel theirs out.”
    /
    “Team 2, you’re fighting a team of relatively normal humans, but their abilities cancel your own and they have technologically advanced weapons”

  3. Nsl98 October 18, 2015 at 11:28 pm -      #3

    “I’m tired of Kain, so I’ll pay for a match with him in it.”
    -Pimpmage 2015

    Why?!??!??
    I hope we get a better match in 30 minutes…

  4. Sauroposeidon October 18, 2015 at 11:54 pm -      #4

    Next match: Megas XLR vs Kain

  5. Aelfinn October 18, 2015 at 11:58 pm -      #5

    So we have another Kain match…and the Warp has been made elementally compatible with psychic powers and Kain’s magic in order to ensure a stomp…goddammit man

  6. Monochrome October 18, 2015 at 11:58 pm -      #6

    @Sauroposeidon
    Nah it’s definitely going to be Elder God Demonbane vs Kain, nothing can go wrong with that.

  7. Dmtl October 19, 2015 at 1:25 am -      #7

    This is a joke right?

  8. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 3:41 am -      #8

    Pimp said the dampening field against the warp only worked within a set range if I recall. So their powers can be used outside of this range.

    I do not think either of them have to be within reach of either of these two if they do not want to be. Either of them can likely pick up a nearby hunk of rock off the city structure and chuck it at the men.

    Psionically or otherwise.

  9. LadyRamkin October 19, 2015 at 3:58 am -      #9

    “Next match: Megas XLR vs Kain”

    I LOVE MAGAS XLR.
    We should get coop a match vs optimums prime or something.

  10. Sauroposeidon October 19, 2015 at 9:11 am -      #10

    Every time we give Megas XLR a match it ends with Coop pushing the “Five Minutes Until End of Episode” button.

    When your power is literally plot shielding randomness, every fight that you’re in becomes a stomp unless the plot specifically states for it not to be.

    This is why Megas XLR has almost no matches on the site. There’s no way to REALLY debate it.

  11. LadyRamkin October 19, 2015 at 9:42 am -      #11

    Shame

  12. Klondike Bar October 19, 2015 at 10:18 am -      #12

    is the ammunition to their weapons physical? The QoB has stopped hyper-sonic ammunition before.

  13. Sauroposeidon October 19, 2015 at 10:36 am -      #13

    Just stop Klondike. Don’t even try. Don’t begin actually debating or you’ll summon the meows.

  14. Ninja Lowk October 19, 2015 at 10:39 am -      #14

    “There’s no way to REALLY debate it.”

    Speed? If one character is absurdly fast couldn’t they disassemble it or get coop before he can hit the button?

  15. Sauroposeidon October 19, 2015 at 11:18 am -      #15

    “Speed? If one character is absurdly fast couldn’t they disassemble it or get coop before he can hit the button?”

    You would have to specifically try to stack a match in such a fashion as to forcibly try to make Coop lose the match. You would do this with the only defense being “Well I thought maybe there was something I didn’t know about which he could use to save himself.” So either you make the absolute perfect match up for the sole purpose of trying to beat Megas, or you make a match where Megas goofs its way to victory.

    I mean, good luck figuring out how to stack the match so he HAS to lose. But then, what would be the purpose of the match? Sure there’s a discussion to be had in trying to figure out how to make such a match, but that’s why we even have BankGamblingtopia.

  16. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 12:34 pm -      #16

    I made this match because I though to myself, these two mortal human beings were perfectly talored to beat these over wanked symphonic n’wahs. Is it a complete stop? Probably not, because both of these guys can use their full range of powers outside of the opposing team’s null zone. Thats a huge advantage for team 2 to argue with.

    “is the ammunition to their weapons physical? The QoB has stopped hyper-sonic ammunition before.”

    Ciaphas uses a laspistol and a chainsword. Jurgen uses a lasrifle and a meltagun, maybe some grenades too.

    To all you hating that I posted this despite my absolute hate for kain, the sight of kain getting slagged by a meltagun just filled me with glee. Cant we all agree that would be really fun to see?? Eh??

  17. Friendlysociopath October 19, 2015 at 12:48 pm -      #17

    Just going to ask then, feats for the Meltgun and the shooter? How good of a shot is he? How fast do the “bullets” travel? How good of a ‘bang’ does the gun give?

    Also, how durable is Team 1? Because picking things up and TKing them into Team 2 is a very viable tactic for Team 2 if they can’t use their powers inside of that area.

  18. Sauroposeidon October 19, 2015 at 12:50 pm -      #18

    “Cant we all agree that would be really fun to see?? Eh??”

    No.

    ” these over wanked symphonic n’wahs”

    The fuck did Kerrigan ever do? Did she have her own Kitten Lord white knighting for her for a while?

  19. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 1:00 pm -      #19

    Can Kerrigan not infect people? Build up an army? She was added to make this a rush for time for team 1. Cant she do other things with the citizens of mournhold?

    “Just going to ask then, feats for the Meltgun and the shooter? How good of a shot is he? How fast do the “bullets” travel? How good of a ‘bang’ does the gun give?”

    Jurgen was a bit average for a soldier when aiming. Nothing outstanding. The bullets for his lasgun are lazers, though I am not certain 40k lazers are actually light speed. His meltagun shoots short ranged blasts of fusion heated air. So… dunno. Going off the SM game, a melta isnt that fast. You can see it here:
    youtu.be/JXRLMeyQLnY?t=322

    Kine barriers might actually be able to deflect blasts of air because that is more physical, light… i’m not so sure.

  20. Sauroposeidon October 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm -      #20

    “Can Kerrigan not infect people? Build up an army? She was added to make this a rush for time for team 1. Cant she do other things with the citizens of mournhold?”

    It was more you seemed angry at her and wanted to see her die.

    I don’t tend to participate in matches with women because the white knight in me squirms at the idea of them getting gutted if they lose.

    So I don’t know how her matches go. I know Kain is fucking annoying because Kitten can’t not shit up any match with him. I thought maybe she has her own annoying fanboys. Like Xena.

  21. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 1:10 pm -      #21

    “It was more you seemed angry at her and wanted to see her die.”

    How could you have POSSIBLY determined that? Kerrigan, like kain, heavily use psionics. Having a team of 2, go up just against kain, would not be fair. So, I placed in kerrigan too. How could this have possibly been a gender thing?

    “I don’t tend to participate in matches with women because the white knight in me squirms at the idea of them getting gutted if they lose.”

    You are fucking weird, you know that? Gender has absolutely nothing to do with why I chose these specific people to fight.

  22. LadyRamkin October 19, 2015 at 1:43 pm -      #22

    @Pimpmage
    I dont think thats what Sauroposeidon is saying at all

    You said
    “perfectly talored to beat these over wanked symphonic n’wahs”

    Which implies that you think that kerrigan is a “over wanked symphonic n’wahs” And she/he wanted to know why you thought that.

    Then she/he said that they doesnt know if kerrigan is over wanked or not since he/she doesnt take part in her (kerrigans) matches becuase he/she (Sauroposeidon) is a chauvinist pig (Jokes, its the Murphy in me)

    I think is what happened. It does not look to me that Sauroposeidon accused you of pick kerrigan because of her gender.

  23. Sauroposeidon October 19, 2015 at 1:46 pm -      #23

    “You are fucking weird, you know that? Gender has absolutely nothing to do with why I chose these specific people to fight.”

    You are not reading what I am saying at all.

    I said I don’t participate in female matches.

    So I do not know if Kerrigan has annoying fanboys.

    You specifically said ” beat these over wanked”

    Which suggests to me that you are annoyed with wanktastic fanboys for both of them.

    Which is where my question of “The fuck did Kerrigan ever do?”

    Which you also misread, as my questioning her feats, which I was not.

    You need to stop for a moment, reread what I’m saying from now on, and consider what it is I am saying.

  24. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 1:51 pm -      #24

    Yeah Kerrigan was never wanked…also when was Kain wanked?

  25. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 1:53 pm -      #25

    “Which implies that you think that kerrigan is a “over wanked symphonic n’wahs” And she/he wanted to know why you thought that.”

    Autocorrect changed psionic to symphonic. Kain is overwanked as we all know. Kerrigan is wanked by the fact people have claimed she has the ability to mind rape people part way across the galaxy. Was I wrong in thinking that is wank? I’ve played sc1 and 2, she was just a lieutenant in the first game. In the second game, she had lieutenants doing all the work for her. As part of the hive mind, she was in charge, she was not the actual hive mind.

    “Yeah Kerrigan was never wanked…also when was Kain wanked?”

    lol

  26. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 2:12 pm -      #26

    Also did you have any counters to either of them just throwing very heavy piecies of rock at the humans?

    Like, Kerrigan could do all sort so things, even if TKing battlecruisers into bits was gameplay only, you still have the fact she goes through advanced terran vehicles like nothing.

    And Kain? he could lift up the nearest lump of masonry, even with his bare hands and throw it, the impact would mass-scatter them.

  27. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 2:17 pm -      #27

    “And Kain? he could lift up the nearest lump of masonry, even with his bare hands and throw it, the impact would mass-scatter them.”

    Or Ciaphas could headshot Kain with his laspistol, blowing out Kain’s head.

  28. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 2:32 pm -      #28

    If all it can do is blow off the heads of humans, hardly. Assuming he can hit a vampire who could shroud himself as a regular man within the city, teleport and attack from any direction imaginable or just turn into mist and vanish…..

    Only for a supersonic lump of rock to fly from nowhere and kill both of these birds with one stone so to speak…

  29. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 2:37 pm -      #29

    “Assuming he can hit a vampire who could shroud himself as a regular man within the city”

    Proof?

    “teleport and attack from any direction imaginable or just turn into mist and vanish…..”

    Proof?

    “Only for a supersonic lump of rock to fly from nowhere and kill both of these birds with one stone so to speak…”

    Ok, do you know if the objects he TK’s retain initial inertia?

  30. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 2:52 pm -      #30

    @Pimp

    “Proof?”

    www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/forms.php

    “”Unlike the Mask of Disguise, this spell actually allows me to cast away the guise of death for a time, allowing me to walk among the living undisturbed. The spell also provides a visage of nobility, for there are many who would easily divulge more to those of highborn blood.””

    “Ok, do you know if the objects he TK’s retain initial inertia?”

    What do you mean? when he TKs something it flies through the air until it drops or hits something usually if that is what your asking.

    Also he may not have to even use TK. Some random noblemen in the crowds of the city assuming theres people randomly tears a chunk off the wall and throws it at them, splat!

    Or launches a pebble. If their alone in the city then I cna imagine Kerrigan being a far bigger target than the peasant kain can take the form of.

    Point being, they do not need their more magical powers to kill the men.

  31. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm -      #31

    “What do you mean? when he TKs something it flies through the air until it drops or hits something usually if that is what your asking. ”

    I am asking if objects retain their inertia while being TKed or not.

    ““”Unlike the Mask of Disguise, this spell actually allows me to cast away the guise of death for a time, allowing me to walk among the living undisturbed. The spell also provides a visage of nobility, for there are many who would easily divulge more to those of highborn blood.”””

    “It didn’t change Kain’s body physically, it simply altered people’s perception of him. If Kain attacked someone while using Beguile Form, the spell was broken.”

    People who are unable to be affected by LoK magic, or have some sort of resistance to magic would not be fooled. Also, there is the matter of fact of whether he still even has this mask? Is it standard equipment? No? Ok.

  32. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 3:03 pm -      #32

    @Pimp

    “People who are unable to be affected by LoK magic, or have some sort of resistance to magic would not be fooled. Also, there is the matter of fact of whether he still even has this mask?”

    Well thats the beauty of it, the magic is not targeted at the people. It is targeted at Kain. Kain appears to be a man for all intents and purposes. Maybe if under your rules Kain got within 10 meters of the anti-magic guy it would fail but Kain would not necesserily have to get close.

    “r he still even has this mask?”

    It was a power he has. The mask was not an actual object.

  33. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 3:11 pm -      #33

    “Well thats the beauty of it, the magic is not targeted at the people. It is targeted at Kain. Kain appears to be a man for all intents and purposes. Maybe if under your rules Kain got within 10 meters of the anti-magic guy it would fail but Kain would not necesserily have to get close.”

    Yes it does target people, the description clearly states that it alters people’s perceptions. If Ciaphas saw them from far away, the magic would not have altered the perceptions of the people not able to be affected by LoK magic.

    “It was a power he has. The mask was not an actual object.”

    Apparently, the mask just hid his face. The spell altered people’s perceptions magically. Which is pointless. It wouldn’t affect team 1.

    Does Kain’s TK on objects have those objects retain their initial inertia or not?

  34. Friendlysociopath October 19, 2015 at 3:14 pm -      #34

    Kitten’s still using outdated info it seems. Kain doesn’t have his spells anymore- he never uses them in the Soul Reaver series (the latest entries) and a developer outright pointed out Kain never uses them anymore.

    So Kain’s “spells” no longer are relevant, Kain either can’t or won’t use them.

  35. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 3:20 pm -      #35

    So I want to get an answer about this inertia bit(i’m taking a phys114 in college, imsosmartlol). If someone Telekinetically picks something up, moves it 5 ft to the right, and lets go with his mind, does the object act like it was just shifted to the right by 5 ft, or does it just drop? I’d ask kitten, but I think he would just try to twist meanings and lie to my face.

  36. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 3:27 pm -      #36

    “Kitten’s still using outdated info it seems. Kain doesn’t have his spells anymore- he never uses them in the Soul Reaver series (the latest entries) and a developer outright pointed out Kain never uses them anymore.”

    This statement is a lie. Friendly can never quote a developer saying Kain never uses spells. And the part about Soul Reaver? a fabrication as well, Kain clearly uses magic lightning in that game, he also teleports. Unless you do not consider them spells then w/e.

    He still uses his supernatural powers, including transformations in all his games.

    @Pimp

    ” If someone Telekinetically picks something up, moves it 5 ft to the right, and lets go with his mind, does the object act like it was just shifted to the right by 5 ft, or does it just drop?”

    TK is merely moving objects with your mind/will in LoK, so it depends on force. If kain moves an object 5 ft to the left and then, with it still under his control, drops it from there, then it falls. I thought this was obvious, if something is no longer under TK then its still in the air….and will fall….

    Hence why I am not sure what your asking.

  37. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 3:38 pm -      #37

    “I thought this was obvious, if something is no longer under TK then its still in the air….and will fall….”

    So with your description of events, the moment a TKed object enters jurgen’s null field, it immediately drops to the ground.

  38. Soulerous October 19, 2015 at 3:57 pm -      #38

    If someone accelerates an object with telekinesis, that object’s momentum will not inexplicably disappear once the telekinesis ceases. Jurgen’s nullification field will cause thrown objects to be unable to receive additional momentum, but not to lose the momentum they have. Not unless that’s a property of the field.

  39. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 4:01 pm -      #39

    Do you know that is exactly how Kain’s telekinetic abilities work? The only force acting on the object would be it’s weight, and telekinesis. The moment the telekinesis stops, the only thing affecting it is weight. So it drops. The object is not recieving any sort of propulsion besides telekinesis. There could be two ways of this thing working.

    The way I could see telekinesis working, the only movement the object is recieving, is when it is being held by TK. TK has to be on that object through the entire process, grab->hit, if the force is lost, the item drops.

  40. Kitten Lord October 19, 2015 at 4:01 pm -      #40

    @Pimp

    “So with your description of events, the moment a TKed object enters jurgen’s null field, it immediately drops to the ground.”


    No it will fly with the momentum afforded it. With my description of events, if Kain Tked the object, and held his TK on it until it reaches the field, then it will stop being under kains TK and will drop or maintain the momentum before the field touched it.

    Would you look at that, Soulerous and I agree on something.

    ” The object is not recieving any sort of propulsion besides telekinesis.”

    Thats like saying as soon as the thrust ona rocket stops it just stops dead…no…an object still has momentum from the propulsion.

  41. Soulerous October 19, 2015 at 4:10 pm -      #41

    The only force acting on the object would be it’s weight, and telekinesis. The moment the telekinesis stops, the only thing affecting it is weight.
    -Throwing a ball is an easy analogy. Once the throwing hand lets go, the ball still has momentum and will go flying. That’s only with sufficient momentum, of course. If the throw is slow, the ball will fall with very little travel once it’s let go of.

  42. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 4:17 pm -      #42

    Is there actual showing from the game that TK effects the objects acceleration?

  43. Friendlysociopath October 19, 2015 at 4:17 pm -      #43

    This statement is a lie.

    Then either you’ve ignored the quote every time I have posted it or you simply aren’t paying attention.

    Friendly can never quote a developer saying Kain never uses spells.

    This would be the 3rd time Friendly has posted this quote from Daniel Cabuco.
    “Kain, in his hundreds of years of evolution, didn’t feel he needed subtle spells anymore.”
    Daniel later compares it to forgetting something you didn’t need to do for 10 years, then multiplied by 100 for Kain’s lifespan.
    So, if we don’t see something in Soul Reaver, there is no reason to believe Kain can still use it.

    Later in the same Q&A Daniel mentions Kain has to heal by drinking blood, only Raziel got away with the “atunement” to the Blood Reaver. In particular this line is interesting.
    Getting your heart torn out tends to leave an impression, since it was considered a major part of his being that was torn out, it was healing slower than normal.

    So Kain would, in fact, be considerably slowed down by being wounded badly. He also can’t simply turn into mist/bats to undo it.

    Source
    www.dcabdesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=685

  44. Dmtl October 19, 2015 at 4:26 pm -      #44

    Pimp, I am probably the biggest WH40k wanker on this site, this is a stomp for Kerrigan and Kain, Jurgen needs to be pretty close for his “power” as a blank to do anything.
    ———
    Kerrigan + Kain stomp this.

  45. Soulerous October 19, 2015 at 4:27 pm -      #45

    Is there actual showing from the game that TK effects the objects acceleration?
    -Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity in an object. The very act of moving something means you are affecting it’s velocity, and also that it has momentum, which is the product of mass and velocity.

  46. Soulerous October 19, 2015 at 4:40 pm -      #46

    Some feats for Kerrigan. Invisibility:
    ~
    “But he never got the chance to test that theory. As Kerrigan turned away her skin paled, then became transparent. In an eyeblink she had vanished completely, fading from the edges in until finally nothing remained. Raynor was alone. Kerrigan was still nearby, he knew. She had gone invisible, just as she had done when she’d been a Ghost. He’d thought the process required a specialized suit of combat armor. Apparently he’d been wrong. Or perhaps the Queen of blades simply no longer required such props.”
    -Queen of Blades, page 78.
    ~
    Psionic shields:
    “Several of Raynor’s troops targeted her with their rifles but the high-velocity metal spikes stopped just shy of hitting her, rebounding from a glittering, almost oily disturbance in the air around her. She ignored them, weapons and shooters alike. “I know you are here!” she shouted instead, eyes narrowed as she searched every nook and cranny. “I can feel you! Face me!”
    -Queen of Blades, page 328.
    ~
    Reacting to and redirecting very fast projectiles:
    “You’ll never make it out of here alive, !@#$%!” one of the troopers shouted, firing his gauss rifle on full auto into the approaching brood. Several zerg were hit, and two fell with steel spikes through their throat and eyes.
    “See?” another trooper bellowed, laughing as he swung his weapon around to fire upon them. They ain’t so tough!” He let loose a barrage and more zerg died. “These critters bleed just like anybody else!” he shouted, and several of his comrades cheered.
    Kerrigan had not been hit, however. A chill raced up his spine as he saw why. One of the troopers aimed at her and fired, a cluster of iron spikes racing toward her. She raised one hand and the spikes simply stopped in midair, slamming to a quivering halt as if they’d run into a wall. A second gesture and the spikes spun about and leaped toward the trooper, punching him into a wall from the impact. The spikes pierced not only the man but the wall behind him, and his body was left hanging there as the rifle slipped from his dead hands.”
    -Queen of Blades, pages 95-96.
    ~
    Martial combat:
    “Raynor stepped away from the last devourer and glanced down just in time to see a pair of Zealots leap at Kerrigan, psi-blades glittering in an arc. Kerrigan’s wings blocked the first warrior’s attack, shearing partway through his arm in the process, and her claws tore the second one’s arm from his shoulder, tossing it aside in a shower of blood. Then her wing-tips pierced the first one’s chest, neck, and head, even as a vicious backhand ripped the second’s head off. She let the bodies fall behind her, but she had noticed their origin point and turned her attention toward the ledge.”
    -Queen of Blades, page 329.
    ~
    And she can also break through thick metal with her body:
    youtu.be/kScAk4L7Y3Q?t=14s

  47. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 4:49 pm -      #47

    Ok, I had a twisted view on how the object’s inertia would be. My bad.

    @Dmtl
    What makes you think this is a stomp? Both ciaphas and jurgen have weapons that will not be blocked by kinetic forces. And we haven’t even started on whether or not a lasgun or laspistol shot would not outright kill either person on team 2.

    Anyone play the tabletop version? Blanks in the tabletop are said to have a 6″ range on the null field. And according to the RPG, blanks would have a range of their willpower bonus in meters. Average stats for new characters were 30-40. So that is 3-4 meters. In the books, he had a range to encompass a room for board meetings:

    media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/3/005/095/2dd/0be9518.jpg

    However much that would be.

  48. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 4:58 pm -      #48

    And I gotta spend some time finding the right quotes, but in the books, Ciaphas had 3 extreme encounters with creatures that should be far outside his skill level.

    He 1v1’ed an ork warboss.
    He had a swordfight against a khornate berserker SM, which lasted like 20 seconds. Until Jurgen turned the SM into molten slag with his meltagun.
    He also had a close encounter with a carnifex once or twice. Though I’d have to go back and find what exactly happened there.

    In the very first story, he was holding off a swarm of tyranids with just chainsword.

  49. Mea quidem sententia October 19, 2015 at 7:09 pm -      #49

    @pimpmage
    The Warhammer Forum says, “The 28mm measurement however, is based on an average human model, from foot to eyes.” 28 mm. is equal to 1.10236 in. I’ll say a space marine stands 7′.

    6′ – 1.10236′ = 4.89764′

    4.89764′ / 1.10236′ = 4.4428680285932

    4.4428680285932 * 100 = 444%

    7′ * 444% = 31.1′

    We can say the distance would be 31.1′, or 9.48 m.

    warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=80320

  50. pimpmage October 19, 2015 at 7:36 pm -      #50

    I read a bunch of people saying how tabletop stuff doesnt scale too well. It mostly follows rule of cool.

  51. Mea quidem sententia October 19, 2015 at 8:28 pm -      #51

    I tried at least. Blank sounds cool.

  52. hellboy147 October 19, 2015 at 10:39 pm -      #52

    Kain stomps, because he got too much hax..

  53. Kitten Lord October 20, 2015 at 5:30 am -      #53

    @Friendly

    “This would be the 3rd time Friendly has posted this quote from Daniel Cabuco.
    “Kain, in his hundreds of years of evolution, didn’t feel he needed subtle spells anymore.”
    Daniel later compares it to forgetting something you didn’t need to do for 10 years, then multiplied by 100 for Kain’s lifespan.”

    And the third time your lie was proven, not just a claim from me. Kain during his years of evolution did not feel he needed subtle spells

    So we have a time period specified, so not “never” or in “no situation” and we have “subtle spells”, not “all spells” as you constantly claim. So as I said, your a liar.

    “he hasn’t had a need to sneak into a place for a hundreds of years. (He had lieutenants for that kind of grunt work if needed)”

    Heres some more of the structure you left out. He was talking about how the situations during the Soul reaver era did not require him to use said spells, he had “others” to do a lot of that work for him. Nothing said there suggests he would not use any or all his spells, especially when we have quotes from kain in BO 1 enjoying the use of them, not using them just because he needed to in a 1 vs 1 fight to the death.

    “So, if we don’t see something in Soul Reaver, there is no reason to believe Kain can still use it.”

    This is a non sequiter. nothing you have provided suggests this, this is also an argument from ignorance.

    “So Kain would, in fact, be considerably slowed down by being wounded badly. He also can’t simply turn into mist/bats to undo it.”

    Hang on, it seems like you quoted Dan simply saying that having your heart torn out heals “slower” than normal, which is understandable. Considering regen was extremely fast, nigh instant on normal attacks yet Kain seemed to require at best a minute to heal his chest.

    But hten you add on this statement about how he could not heal it by mist forming or dematelrization/reformation. Where does it say this?

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