Superman Prime and Monarch Vs Bills and Goku

Superman Prime and Monarch Vs Bills and Goku

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Superman Prime and Monarch (DC) will go up against Bills and Goku (DBZ).

Battlefield: Empty universe.

Dragon Ball Super versions of Goku and Beerus.

Who will win?

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43 Comments on "Superman Prime and Monarch Vs Bills and Goku"

  1. Aelfinn October 14, 2015 at 1:55 am -      #1

    Let me say this once more: Bills and Goku are not universal. They are not, they are not, they are not. Those punches don’t make any goddamn sense, there’s no way to calc them, they don’t mean ANYTHING.

    Superboy Prime survives a Big Bang
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    Threatens to create another Big Bang through a giant impact
    s219.photobucket.com/user/Superman-Prime_Respect/media/aaloutbart.jpg.html

    Kills Green Lanterns left and right. Remember, one Green Lantern has been shown to hold in a supernova, the GL corps has been shown to hold in galaxy-busters, and Superman Prime takes them down.
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2349204-toomuchforgls3.jpg

    And insta-kills the Anti-Monitor
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57746/2566787-1130561_greenlantern25_039_super.jpg

  2. Rookie October 14, 2015 at 2:09 am -      #2

    @Aelfinn

    “Superboy Prime survives a Big Bang”

    I doubt that it was big bang, since all planets are still there. It wiped life but didn’t even destroyed Earth.

    “And insta-kills the Anti-Monitor”

    Monitor was weakend prior to Sinestro Wars and he was weakend even further when Lanters dropped something on him and contained explosion with him inside. And Monitor still survived it and could’ve return to kick Superboy’s ass if not for Nekron.
    Doesn’t really matter because Superman Prime>SCW Anti Monitor by far. He was capable to win against Monarch with ease.

  3. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 14, 2015 at 2:35 am -      #3

    “Those punches don’t make any goddamn sense, there’s no way to calc them, they don’t mean ANYTHING.”

    Feats not making sense isn’t a reason to dismiss them. That being said it’s probably worth mentioning that we’re not even sure Old Kai was even right since he wasn’t even sure himself. The physical damage was: some asteroids being destroyed, some moon or planet like objects being shattered, and a solar flare being dissipated, which someone could probably calc, but I think there’d be too many variables and unknowns to really make it accurate. Also, the DBverse is only made up of 4 galaxies in Universe 7, so destroying their universe only makes them to be multigalaxy busting.

  4. Aelfinn October 14, 2015 at 2:43 am -      #4

    “I doubt that it was big bang, since all planets are still there. It wiped life but didn’t even destroyed Earth.”

    The scan with the mention of “Big Bang” comes before Superman/boy Prime rips open his suit. I mean afterwards…
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111157701/3874883-3460464495-primm.jpg
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33046/947197-sbp_vs_monarch_8.jpg

    Certainly seems to show galaxies being swallowed up around it, and the planet that survived was the home of the Monitor’s, from what I hear.

  5. Aelfinn October 14, 2015 at 2:52 am -      #5

    “Feats not making sense isn’t a reason to dismiss them.”

    Here’s the thing, if you asked me “How much energy would Goku exert if he punched Superman?”, based on that feat, I can’t give you a correct answer. I can’t give you an answer at all, really. Maybe…”more than anything seen in DBZ yet”…but that doesn’t make sense either. If it was “more than anything seen in DBZ yet” then it would have to be planet-busting at minimum…but we can clearly see that the Earth survives right next to the punch., so it clearly can’t be planet-busting AT the punch itself. Maybe it’s the strongest physical attack ever, but that puts it at Gigatons, Teratons if you’re lucky. There’s just no way to say “the shockwaves get stronger the farther away from them” without making the feat make as much sense as “My word, they’re punching each other so hard that corn cobs are flying out of their nostrils!”

  6. Numinous One October 14, 2015 at 3:30 am -      #6

    “Let me say this once more: Bills and Goku are not universal.”

    Their little beam struggle resulted in some super dense energy thing that would have destroyed the universe too.
    The collateral if the energy was destroyed instead of nullified would have been the nearby stars and planets.

    “Also, the DBverse is only made up of 4 galaxies in Universe 7, so destroying their universe only makes them to be multigalaxy busting.”

    I was actually gonna do some digging on this, but apparently it’s a hot topic and the work has been done.
    I’ll summarize the arguments, all info comes from various databooks, barring the first point.

    First up, and pretty important too.
    The Japanese language does not have a plural for the word galaxy.
    Whenever you see the word galaxy in DB, if there’s no context provided, 50/50 it’s singular or plural.

    Secondly, databooks claim the galaxies exist infinitely throughout the universe, and that the universe is infinitely expanding.
    Alot of people were happy to couple those two points together as a solid argument, which it kinda is.

    Third, the databook when addressing the N/S/E/W Galaxies, doesn’t actually refer to them as a galaxy in the literal sense, they were areas coined as Galaxy for administrative convineince, not because it was a singular galaxy.
    It was a bit more indepth but I couldn’t be bothered wading through the shitstorms all over again.

    Supporting evidence, databooks explain Akira created the DB universe with our universe in mind.

    So basically, bearing all this in mind, it points to the idea of four galaxies being false.
    Simple mistranslation due to language barriers.

    With luck there’ll be some visuals to finalize this topic.
    I could have sworn there was a view early on in Super that showed several galaxies, but it’s not such a great show that I wanna rewatch it this early on.

  7. Mecha Xtreme October 14, 2015 at 4:45 am -      #7

    OK, guys, I gonna debunk the so-called Universe busting feat in Dragon Ball Super.
    Here’s a wiki page with maps of the Dragon Ball universe, in case some of you insult me for using a wiki. dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Seventh_Universe
    So the Dragon Ball universe is split into two equal parts. The mortal world and the other world. The 1,000,000 Kilometer Snale Road is shown to stretch most of the other world. So how big is the Dragon Ball universe? Not very big. I’m pretty sure this wouldn’t even make their punches galactic.

  8. Numinous One October 14, 2015 at 6:00 am -      #8

    ” So how big is the Dragon Ball universe? Not very big. I’m pretty sure this wouldn’t even make their punches galactic.”

    Trying to claim that map is to scale is basically saying the universe is about 2million Km across.
    Which is… nonsensical really.
    And proven wrong by the fact that the Earth, which is located in the Milky Way – mentioned by name, is habitable, and not within lethal distance of the sun.

    As for the inconsistencies within the map itself, trying to say that is accurately to scale is also saying that King Kai’s planet is about 100,000km in diameter.
    I guess DB characters are collosal monstrosities, given the size of that planet.

  9. Mecha Xtreme October 14, 2015 at 6:03 am -      #9

    You would be correct, if there wasn’t a screenshot of the same thing in Dragon Ball Kai.

  10. Numinous One October 14, 2015 at 6:18 am -      #10

    Which doesn’t change any of the points I’ve made.
    Is it the manga? Kai, while as close to the manga as it can get, is as as canon as the original anime.

    Not to mention you can see a galaxy in the background several times in Super.

  11. Numinous One October 14, 2015 at 6:29 am -      #11

    Oh wait, we can go one further and shrink it some more.
    In that screenshot we can make out snake way, from previous showings we know how wide the road is so we could scale the universe off that.
    Long story short though.
    Using that screenshot we get a universe and cosmos combined to be smaller than the Earth they inhabit.

    Who needs logic when you have DragonBall.
    Screenshot = Tardis Universe.
    Map = 1000km tall characters.

    It ain’t gonna fly.

  12. Mecha Xtreme October 14, 2015 at 6:38 am -      #12

    The DBZ universe is very inconsistent. In Dragon Ball Super, we see that planets are absurdly close to close to each other. Even closer than the earth is to the moon.
    Heck, it looks like you don’t even watch Dragon Ball Super. It was their punches, not a beam clash.

  13. Numinous One October 14, 2015 at 6:54 am -      #13

    Now you’re just talking out of your ass.
    Or you didn’t properly read what I said.

    Their little beam struggle resulted in some super dense energy thing that would have destroyed the universe too.
    The collateral if the energy was destroyed instead of nullified would have been the nearby stars and planets.


    Too. Adverb.
    In addition or, also.

  14. Mecha Xtreme October 14, 2015 at 7:37 am -      #14

    Oh really? I only remember the Kais saying the punches were destroying the universe. And when do they say that it would destroy the universe because of it being super dense? I don’t watch Dragon Ball Super reguarly, so forgive me if this was said in a recent episode.

  15. Numinous One October 14, 2015 at 7:45 am -      #15

    End of 12, continues into 13.
    You have the Narrator, Kai and Whis himself all say it has the power to destroy the universe.

    Not because it’s super dense, just that it is super dense.
    It’s like the size of a tennis ball packing the power to destroy everything, comes from the combination of their ki blasts.

  16. Soulerous October 14, 2015 at 9:59 am -      #16

    we can clearly see that the Earth survives right next to the punch.
    There’s just no way to say “the shockwaves get stronger the farther away from them” without making the feat make as much sense as “My word, they’re punching each other so hard that corn cobs are flying out of their nostrils!”
    ~
    I’m with Aelfinn. It’s a valid feat, but clearly not a realistic one. There’s no way to calculate the force they’re hitting with using the shockwaves.
    ~
    Trying to claim that map is to scale is basically saying the universe is about 2million Km across.
    ~
    And I’m with Numinous One on this. The map is obviously not to scale. We’ve seen more distance than that. It’s likely meant to display the positions of the various locations relative to each other.

  17. Mecha Xtreme October 14, 2015 at 10:20 am -      #17

    There’s a image of the same thing in Dragon Ball Kai.

  18. Rookie October 14, 2015 at 10:29 am -      #18

    I think that DC team will win. Can’t Monarch use molecule control or something since he absorbed Captain Atom?

    Admin will probably not be able to send me new BR for a few days so if somebody have any (only one per person) battle idea ready then send me personal message on BankGamblingtopia.com/viewforum.php?f=99 and I will post it someday.

  19. hellboy147 October 14, 2015 at 11:28 am -      #19

    I like how all the Superman fans starting to get insecure, maybe because Goku is finally catching up.
    _
    outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/292-character-profile-bills

  20. Nobunaga Jin October 14, 2015 at 12:01 pm -      #20

    I’m afraid that title’s kinda wrong. That ain’t Superman Prime, that’s Superboy Prime AKA Superbitch Prime. I don’t care if he looks like superman, his personality was still that of a teenager, and he has stated that he was still a teenager in age.

  21. LadyRamkin October 14, 2015 at 12:20 pm -      #21

    Didnt superboy prime shatter all of reality with his fist and then put it back together, or was that not new52… or however DC works

  22. Ninja Lowk October 14, 2015 at 12:23 pm -      #22

    “maybe because Goku is finally catching up.”

    He is destructive capability wise.
    Though what Aelfinn said is kind of right about the punches. Its kind of like Supermens punching dimensions or breaking time.
    The energy blast might be better but would require Goku at least to have beerus’s help in doing a beam struggle thing.

  23. Amm0vamp1r3 October 14, 2015 at 12:37 pm -      #23

    Firstly,Where can one watch or read DB super?

    Secondly,added to that so Goku is finally getting up there power wise to be a legitimate threat to superboy prime? That’s crazy

    lastly, should have been broly, he had blue hair before it was cool

  24. Nobunaga Jin October 14, 2015 at 12:54 pm -      #24

    Wasn’t Superbitch Prime (sorry, but I hated his constant selfish and immature personality that made him seem like a Teenager trying and failing to act like an adult) defeated in Countdown?

  25. Rookie October 14, 2015 at 1:16 pm -      #25

    @Nobunaga Jin

    “I’m afraid that title’s kinda wrong. That ain’t Superman Prime, that’s Superboy Prime AKA Superbitch Prime. I don’t care if he looks like superman, his personality was still that of a teenager, and he has stated that he was still a teenager in age.”

    AFAIK DC officially call this version of Superboy (with Guardian powers) as Superman Prime. Either that or that golden supes supposed to be here, I dunno. I just assumed it should be superboy, since Monarch here.

  26. Ninja Lowk October 14, 2015 at 2:38 pm -      #26

    “seem like a Teenager trying and failing to act like an adult”

    I thought that he literally was that?

  27. Aelfinn October 14, 2015 at 7:58 pm -      #27

    “so Goku is finally getting up there power wise to be a legitimate threat to superboy prime? That’s crazy”

    Honestly? I disagree. Goku now is arguably close to New 52 Superman, but doesn’t have the feats to match up with his speed (before current down-grade). Any punch or beam clash that “gets more powerful as it goes farther away” doesn’t make enough sense to get an accurate reading of power.

    Meanwhile, Superboy Prime can fight Golden AND Silver Age Superman at the same time, and actually shifted the center of the Universe away from Oa.
    imgur.com/a/tpj64#0

    And busts through a wall set up by green lanterns that was 300 miles thick
    i.imgur.com/wPOaN8A.png

    And can survive a galaxy-busting explosion;
    i.imgur.com/kkYnDqv.jpg
    imgur.com/a/nlI10#2

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 14, 2015 at 8:43 pm -      #28

    “There’s just no way to say ‘the shockwaves get stronger the farther away from them’ without making the feat make as much sense as ‘My word, they’re punching each other so hard that corn cobs are flying out of their nostrils!'”

    Alright, makes sense. I like Lowk’s analogy better though :P.
    =
    “The Japanese language does not have a plural for the word galaxy.
    Whenever you see the word galaxy in DB, if there’s no context provided, 50/50 it’s singular or plural.”

    Does it not? Huh, interesting.
    =
    “Secondly, databooks claim the galaxies exist infinitely throughout the universe, and that the universe is infinitely expanding.”

    And it also has two quotes saying that there are four galaxies, but:
    =
    “Third, the databook when addressing the N/S/E/W Galaxies, doesn’t actually refer to them as a galaxy in the literal sense, they were areas coined as Galaxy for administrative convineince, not because it was a singular galaxy.”

    If this is true, how do we know this? Is there a quote out there or someone you could possibly grab somewhere? I’ll drop it if you can find evidence for it. Honestly this and the first point are more convincing to me than the second, since there are two quotes that explicitly say 4 galaxies.
    =
    “And can survive a galaxy-busting explosion;”

    Cyborg Supes, not Superboy Prime. Doesn’t need the feat though, Big Bang one is more than enough really.

  29. Dmtl October 14, 2015 at 11:15 pm -      #29

    Ammo – you can watch DB Super here www.gogoanime.com/category/dragon-ball-super

  30. Dmtl October 14, 2015 at 11:24 pm -      #30

    Empty Universe..I assume it does not have magic or kryptonite then…

    Edit: Can Goku even Survive planet busting explosions?

  31. Jake_Uzumaki October 14, 2015 at 11:39 pm -      #31

    According to Revival of F…..no.
    But its going to be retconned soon so….who knows.

  32. Friendlysociopath October 14, 2015 at 11:42 pm -      #32

    According to Revival of F…..no.

    Question about that- does it say Goku would’ve died from the planet exploding? Or is it just assumed because he was included in the shield?

  33. Dmtl October 14, 2015 at 11:48 pm -      #33

    @FS – In RoF Vegeta dies from the Earth exploding so I’d assume the same goes for Goku.

  34. Jake_Uzumaki October 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm -      #34

    youtu.be/FVQDw0J6Ycw?t=186
    during the scene they mention Vegeta Goten and Trunks being dead (or well Bulma does) Piccolo basically says Frieza is an ass for pulling a taking you with me and Whis says Frieza would have survived. No mention of Vegeta surviving in any way shape form or fashion, so either he suffocated to death meaning that he and Goku still can’t survive in space or Vegeta went boom and…it doesn’t matter if he and Goku can survive in space or not since there’s no way Goku is that massively more durable than Vegeta.

    Basically its a case of we can pretty well guess Goku would have been equally fucked had he been in Vegeta’s position of not being bubbled much like we can usually safely assume Supergirl would survive something Superman would (at normal levels for both of course) and vice versa (again at normal levels) I don’t recall there being anything to imply SSGSS Goku is THAT much more powerful than SSGSS Vegeta, more powerful yes, though Vegeta is the better/more skilled fighter, but not to the degree he could casually no sell something that’d kill Vegeta

  35. Tarbel October 15, 2015 at 1:31 am -      #35

    “Here’s the thing, if you asked me “How much energy would Goku exert if he punched Superman?”, based on that feat, I can’t give you a correct answer. I can’t give you an answer at all, really. Maybe…”more than anything seen in DBZ yet”…but that doesn’t make sense either. If it was “more than anything seen in DBZ yet” then it would have to be planet-busting at minimum…but we can clearly see that the Earth survives right next to the punch., so it clearly can’t be planet-busting AT the punch itself. Maybe it’s the strongest physical attack ever, but that puts it at Gigatons, Teratons if you’re lucky. There’s just no way to say “the shockwaves get stronger the farther away from them” without making the feat make as much sense as “My word, they’re punching each other so hard that corn cobs are flying out of their nostrils!””

    Here’s a hypothesis: energy dissipates over distance.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
    We have very focused attacks which release energy that is very closely confined, thus missing close objects (like planets).
    From the wiki: “The inverse-square law generally applies when some force, energy, or other conserved quantity is evenly radiated outward from a point source in three-dimensional space. Since the surface area of a sphere (which is 4πr2 ) is proportional to the square of the radius, as the emitted radiation gets farther from the source, it is spread out over an area that is increasing in proportion to the square of the distance from the source. Hence, the intensity of radiation passing through any unit area (directly facing the point source) is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the point source. Gauss’s law applies to, and can be used with any physical quantity that acts in accord to the inverse-square relationship.”

    So the further the distance the energy travels, the wider an area it encompasses, thus being more likely to hit objects like planets and stars.

  36. Aelfinn October 15, 2015 at 2:51 am -      #36

    “Alright, makes sense. I like Lowk’s analogy better though :P.”

    Well poo poo to you.
    =
    “Cyborg Supes, not Superboy Prime. Doesn’t need the feat though, Big Bang one is more than enough really.”

    Pretty sure Superboy Prime was also in there, you can see Wonder Girl get at least one kick in on him. Not to mention it was a big “Yellow Lantern Attack” party, where they had the Anti-Monitor, Cyborg Superman, and Superboy Prime on their side.
    =
    “So the further the distance the energy travels, the wider an area it encompasses, thus being more likely to hit objects like planets and stars.”

    You’re right, energy DOES dissipate over distance, which is why this feat doesn’t make sense. In real-life, energy gets “less dense” so to speak the farther away from it you get. It’s why you have to get AWAY from bombs. So if the Earth is right next to a universe-busting punch, it should be getting hit across every part of its surface with galaxy-busting power. But instead, it’s fine. Remember, explosions dissipate energy in spheres. Expanding spheres don’t miss ANYTHING in 3D space, so the notion that the shockwaves aren’t big enough to “hit” the Earth simply isn’t true.

  37. Dmtl October 15, 2015 at 7:46 am -      #37

    God I hate DB ever since my friend mentioned how the reworked DBZ just looks like they shooting penises at people..

  38. Rookie October 15, 2015 at 1:26 pm -      #38

    @Tarbel
    @Aelfinn
    Can you tell your opinion about something? Can this character take on Sayan Sage Vegita?

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11115/111151927/4855215-acacia.jpg
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    Or will Vegeta stomp?

  39. Tarbel October 15, 2015 at 3:39 pm -      #39

    @Rookie
    If he just stomped on the moon and leapt off it, shattering it into giant pieces, just for fun, I say maybe, although it can lean towards a stomp in either side’s favor depending on how fast Vegeta is.

    @Aelfinn
    Well I was thinking the energy released by the impact of the punches may not just be a simple spherical expansion. Physical punches don’t actually release any vibrational/physical shockwaves in space because there is no medium for them to travel in. I can only assume it is ki energy spewing out from the punch as a side effect. So maybe the ki energy shoots out as a side effect of the punches, and as sort of like beams rather than spherical explosions? I guess it’s a stretch, but we aren’t exactly talking about normal shockwaves anyway. They travelled massively FTL in order to hit another star rather quickly, about at least 4XFTL if it destroyed it in a second (closest star is 4.37 lightyears away).

  40. Ninja Lowk October 15, 2015 at 4:26 pm -      #40

    “I can only assume it is ki energy spewing out from the punch as a side effect. So maybe the ki energy shoots out as a side effect of the punches, and as sort of like beams rather than spherical explosions?”

    Ahem, ♪Space magic♪

  41. Aelfinn October 15, 2015 at 5:30 pm -      #41

    “Or will Vegeta stomp?”

    I think it might be interesting. Earth-to-Moon in such a short time is pretty damn fast, and being able to physically destroy it is a greater physical feat than Vegeta has ever done, so it should be interesting.
    =
    =
    “Physical punches don’t actually release any vibrational/physical shockwaves in space because there is no medium for them to travel in. “

    Well yeah, but that was a whole other reason why the feat didn’t make sense.
    =
    “I can only assume it is ki energy spewing out from the punch as a side effect. So maybe the ki energy shoots out as a side effect of the punches, and as sort of like beams rather than spherical explosions?”

    Well, we can see the circular expansions, so it isn’t beams, and it wasn’t acting or looking like any other ki attack, so I’d have to disagree on that assessment. Personally, I’d have to say that they were causing some kind of space-time trouble. Fabric-of-the-universe-being-messed-with kind of stuff. To be fair, something like this isn’t unprecedented. Super Buu yelled a hole through the Hyperbolic Time Chamber dimension, and he was supposed to be far weaker than Beerus or SSG. It also acts as an impressive feat for Super Buu, considering the only people who accomplished anything else like what he did are Gods in his universe.
    =
    “They travelled massively FTL in order to hit another star rather quickly, about at least 4XFTL if it destroyed it in a second (closest star is 4.37 lightyears away).”

    Actually 137 million X FTL, but yeah, this should reinforce my point. Ki attacks have never pulled off anything like that before.

  42. Friendlysociopath October 15, 2015 at 5:50 pm -      #42

    Actually 137 million X FTL, but yeah, this should reinforce my point. Ki attacks have never pulled off anything like that before.

    To be fair, once upon a time that was also true of planet and star-busting.

  43. Amm0vamp1r3 October 15, 2015 at 5:54 pm -      #43

    @Dmtl

    You’re the best

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