Megaman universe Vs Twilight universe

Megaman universe Vs Twilight universe

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Megaman universe will go at the against Twilight universe.

I want to see how this fight will go.

How will this end?

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19 Comments on "Megaman universe Vs Twilight universe"

  1. pimpmage October 14, 2015 at 12:38 am -      #1

    How was everybody’s week? Good I hope? I got pre calc and physics exams every other week. Life is great.

  2. OriginalA October 14, 2015 at 2:29 am -      #2

    Is this like the entire Megaman Universe? Like Classic through Legends + BattleNetwork and Starforce?

    Cause if so then “Rods from God”. Orbital Bombardment is used in almost every era of the mainline of MM Games. That kinda trumps the twamps.

    I’m recalling one of the bosses from MMZX launching nukes at you. I can’t find the relevant quote or info to back that statement up though.

    The Ragnarok station was designed to make the world uninhabitable. By its nature of being in orbit, that puts it firmly outside of Twlight’s reach (aside of contemporary space travel means, like NASA, which is hilariously outdated compared to Megamanverse).

    But seriously, this match begins and ends with Ragnarok blowing up just about every major city in the world with multiple strikes. Then Eden reseeds the area with Carbons (artificial transhumans).

    And that is IF the Maverick Virus doesn’t screw things up. Hell, the Zero Virus was transposing cyberspace over real space.

    I really don’t think some bullshit the twamps have is going to allow them a chance.

  3. shadowrider98 October 14, 2015 at 11:21 am -      #3

    I don’t see what a couple of fluffy dogs and a bunch sparkly vampires are able to do against a huge cyber force with lasers and more advanced technology.The only thing I can see them doing would probably be stealing the hearts of the female megaman’s which would probably just piss the male megamen off and force them to go all out and obliterate whatever battlefield they are on along with any other inhabitants other than their own kind.

  4. Darth Bombad October 14, 2015 at 6:59 pm -      #4

    Most of Twilight’s powerful characters have mental powers which are
    admittedly pretty hax. But these are robots!. Twi’s heavy hitters are
    pretty much useless in this fight. They got that one guy that can control
    the elements but that’s about it. MM verse just has too much firepower.

    Unless there’s some book hax i don’t know about (anyone care to wade
    through it?) then this is a short… and strange match.

  5. oakranger October 14, 2015 at 7:14 pm -      #5

    Maybe if we put it down to just one of the superman’s we might get a better fight out of this? It will probably still be a stomp for Megaman but maybe not quite the stomp it is currently hovering at?

    best twilights got is supersonics but that won’t last anybody long, not with all the supersonics megman has.

  6. Mea quidem sententia October 14, 2015 at 7:42 pm -      #6

    So, Ragnarok has a maximum output of 30 MW, which is the same thing as 30,000,000 kg m^2/s^3. In other words, J = W * s. Maximum range is 900 to 1,800 km. Since it fires a laser, I’ll assume 299,792,458 m/s. Let’s say the distance between Ragnarok and Earth is 161 km., since the distance of a typical satellite is that high. Then I’ll add an extra 100 km., since that’s the distance between space and Earth itself. So that’s 261 km., or 261,000 m.

    261,000 m. / 299,792,458 m/s = 0.0008706022884672 s, or 871 microseconds.

    30,000,000 kg m^2/s^3 * 0.0008706022884672 s = 26,118 kg m^2/s^2, or 6 grams of TNT. That’s pretty sad. If we went with the distance of 1,800 km., then we end up with 180,125 J, or 43.05 grams of TNT. This is honestly underwhelming. Say we include the eight free electron lasers and two Ekumaizer lasers, and let’s say the amount of energy for each laser is 180,125 J. We’d end up with 1801250 J, or 430.51 grams of TNT. Still not that impressive.

  7. Friendlysociopath October 14, 2015 at 7:59 pm -      #7

    I just realized Bella could possibly kill Kain- that’s hilarious to me.

  8. Nsl98 October 14, 2015 at 8:13 pm -      #8

    Edward would speed blitz Kain.

  9. OriginalA October 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm -      #9

    Mea could you please explain what you are aiming for in post 6 and what formula you are using.

  10. Mea quidem sententia October 15, 2015 at 7:49 am -      #10

    OriginalA, you mentioned Ragnarok, so I looked that up and it provided the specs at Mega Man Knowledge Base. I used that, since it’s canon. Then I just did the math. Power is joules per second, so since I found the power being 30 megawatts, I converted that into energy by using J = W * s, or joules is watts times seconds. If we assumed it took 1 second, then the laser would have provided 30 megajoules. If we used 10 of those lasers, then it’d be 300 megajoules, or 1/5 the energy of a lightning bolt.

  11. Mea quidem sententia October 15, 2015 at 7:56 am -      #11

    Damn post. I ran out of time. Anyway, this is a case of canon versus canon. I’d say you’re better off relying on the characters than Ragnarok.

  12. OriginalA October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm -      #12

    I was specifically curious about the formula.

    Regardless of the math, Raganrok has a demonstrated feat of blowing up a large section of Neo Arcadia, killing 20,000,000 people in a single blast.

  13. Mea quidem sententia October 15, 2015 at 3:04 pm -      #13

    @OriginalA
    Here are the specifications.

    vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/d/d6/MMZRagnarokConcept.png/revision/latest?cb=20120612113914

    30 Mw is the same as 30 MW, which is 30 megawatts, or 30 million watts, which is the same thing as 30,000,000 kg m^2/s^3 (W). Energy is kg m^2/s^2, so as you can see, the difference between the two is the former is in seconds cubed, while the latter is in seconds squared.

    To remove seconds cubed, you must multiply by seconds. To add seconds cubed, you must divide. Since we’re converting power to energy, we have to take the power and use the formula, J = W * s, since W = J/s.

    According to Wikipedia, “FEL technology is being evaluated by the US Navy as a candidate for an antiaircraft and missile directed-energy weapon. The Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility’s FEL has demonstrated over 14 kW power output. [27] Compact multi-megawatt class FEL weapons are undergoing research. [28] On June 9, 2009 the Office of Naval Research announced it had awarded Raytheon a contract to develop a 100 kW experimental FEL. [29] On March 18, 2010 Boeing Directed Energy Systems announced the completion of an initial design for U.S. Naval use. [30] A prototype FEL system was demonstrated, with a full-power prototype scheduled by 2018. [31]”

    As you can see, the closest thing here to the 30 MW output is the compact multi-megawatt class FEL weapons. Perhaps what I can do is consider the refractive index of air. This would mean the speed of light will travel slower than it would in a vacuum. Perhaps it won’t be too difference, since the refractive index of air is 1.000293, while it’s 1 in a vacuum.

    For the first part, I’ll consider 161 km. as the distance between the satellite and the atmosphere of Earth. This means it would take 0.000537038193269 seconds for light to cover that distance. Taking 299,792,458 m/s and dividing it by 1.000293, which would be 299,704,645. Then I’ll take 100 km. and divide it by this speed, which is 0.0003336618294780451 seconds. So the amount of seconds would be 0.0008707000227470451 s.

    Taking 30,000,000 kg m^2/s^3 * 0.0008707000227470451 s would be equal to 26,121 kg m^2/s^2 (6.24 grams of TNT). This would probably be effective in aircraft or missile attacks, but as far as destroying buildings or places? I’m not so sure. Especially with 20,000,000 people. There’s 318.9 million people in the U.S. as of 2014.

    If that beam hit the U.S., it would have killed 94% of the people there. That would be larger than the Tsar Bomba. Unless, of course, there were 20 million people in a close vicinity. How does one resolve this when canon conflicts with itself?

  14. Mea quidem sententia October 15, 2015 at 3:28 pm -      #14

    I’m sorry, but I erred a bit. New York has 20,092,883 people as of 2014. It seems there is a little over 20,000,000 people who died in Neo Arcadia. Using New York’s population, only 6.3% of the U.S. would have died. Still, I don’t know how this destruction would have happened.

  15. OriginalA October 15, 2015 at 4:09 pm -      #15

    Isn’t the formula for a watt 1 W == 1 kg * m*2 * s^-3 ??

    You are using: 1 W == 1 kg * m^2 * s^3

    Note the difference of the power that the seconds are being raised by. What’s the deal with that?

    I don’t even know why you are going on about FEL weapons and the US population.

    It doesn’t help that there is a picture of Ragnarok firing. It is clearly a wave motion cannon, and not a conventional weapon.

    vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/b/bc/Z4_scene6.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100823151128

    How else would you explain a sharp change in angle from the energy beam without it interacting with a focus of some sort?

    And it even isn’t consistent.

    vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/1/10/Ragnarok2.png/revision/latest?cb=20081111022455

    This is a different event from the previous image. The beam is considerably different.

  16. Alpha or Omega October 15, 2015 at 5:30 pm -      #16

    @Mea
    Do you use the time it took light to get there?
    I thought it was the amount of time the laser was on Neo Arcadia.
    /
    If I recall correctly, wouldn’t the time you use would be the time the laser was on earth instead of the time it took the laser to get there?
    /
    While the wattage may be canon, the time it lasted cannot be determined since only pictures/still-images were used when the station fired it’s laser.
    If anything, the destruction of the laser should be used to calculate the time it lasted.
    /
    Is the composite Megaman universe used here?
    As cool as the Ragnarok station would be here, that’s if Megaman Zero was used.
    Current incarnation would be Megaman Legends+Megaman Starforce.

  17. Mea quidem sententia October 15, 2015 at 6:13 pm -      #17

    @OriginalA
    1 W is kg m^2/s^3.

    www.google.com/search?q=kg+m^2%2Fs^3&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt#Examples

    www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kg+m^2%2Fs^3

    I am not using 1 kg m^2 * s^3. That isn’t even an equation. What I am using is kg m^2/s^3 and then multiplying this by a specific amount of seconds to come up with the amount of energy, which is in joules. So if I wrote 1 kg m^2/s^3 * 1 s, I’d end up with 1 kg m^2/s^2. This would have converted power to energy.

    I mentioned FEL weapons because that’s what Ragnarok uses. I’m not sure what wave motion or conventional to do with anything. Typically, a weapon that is conventional means it’s not nuclear, which I mean to say weapons of mass destruction (WMD) (nuclear, biological, chemical). The weapon of choice would be a directed-energy weapon (DEW).

    DEWs typically use electromagnetism, which we know involves waves. Or they can involve waves. A particle beam would use charged or neutral particles. I mentioned the U.S. population for scale of said devastation. I’m not sure what you’re asking about change of angle.

    @Alpha or Omega
    Yes, I used the time it would take light to travel from the distances I provided, since we’re dealing with lasers. It could be the amount of time spent on Neo Arcadia. That could explain the apparent inconsistency. I’m not sure how large Neo Arcadia is. If the beam remained on that city for a minute, the it would have generated 1.8 GJ, or 14.34 tons of TNT. That would kill 2,640 people and injure 2,380 people. For an hour, 25.81 tons of TNT. Estimated deaths would be 3,770 people and 4,790 injured people. The beam didn’t last a minute or an hour, though.

  18. OriginalA October 15, 2015 at 9:05 pm -      #18

    Alright, I see some of my own confusion here.

    kg m^2 s^-3 is the same as kg m^2 / s^3. It’s been a while since I’ve math’d. I forgot that when you divide exponential they can also be written as multiplying the inverse. So multiplying “kg m^2” by “s^-3” is the same as dividing “kg m^2” by “s^3”. That explains and clears up a lot of my confusion.

    And you are right, I misread your equation when I claimed you were multiplying by “s^3” when you were actually dividing by it. Although I will nitpick that it is an equation! … it … just… doesn’t mean anything… But it does contain variables that are being math’d together, which by definition is technically an equation! … I’m joking here, poorly.

    I mentioned Wave Motion Cannons. I’m referring to the Trope, which is to say “ambiguous big ass energy beam thing of death” or a Death Star Laser if you prefer. Not exactly a scientific concept.

    As for the change of angle:
    retrowaretv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/RagnarokZ4.jpg

    Take a look at the energy beam. It starts from three (probably four but one is obscured by another) sources. These energy beams converge on a single point in space just a bit beyond the Ragnarok station. From that point, instead of proceeding forward, they all shift direction by approximately 30 degrees so that three (probably four) beams converge together and become a single, larger energy beam that is going in a direction that none of the smaller energy beams were going in prior to merging together. There is no physical object that redirects the energy beams’s paths. It is very similar to the Death Star 1’s laser with the spontaneous change in direction.
    img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111104205236/starwars/images/5/50/Superlaser2.jpg

    Also, considering the partial translation for the image that you posted earlier, it is probable that the primary method of dealing damage is the huge plasma cannon rather than the smaller lasers. I’d imagine that how the energy of the attack is delivered changes the results of how efficient it is. For the most part, it is a huge “Energen Fusion Plasma Cannon” that is assisted by the 8 FELs and 2 targeting Ekumaizer lasers.

    megaman.wikia.com/wiki/File:MMZRagnarokConcept.png

    Something to factor into your equation, according to the MM wiki, it takes 2 minutes to fully charge Ragnarok’s weapon for just a single shot with the reactor running at 100%. I don’t know where they got that number, but the game does confirm that it takes time to fully charge the weapon.

    Also notably, the Max Output statistic if for the reactor; not the weapon. If it were for the weapon it would be filed under the weapon section. It isn’t so I’d assume they are still referring to the station at large.

    EDIT:
    Thank you for going over everything in detail. I appreciate your patients.

  19. Mea quidem sententia October 15, 2015 at 9:58 pm -      #19

    @OriginalA
    I did factor the 8 FEL and 2 Ekumaizer lasers, but not the plasma because I wasn’t sure what speed that would be traveling. It was still underwhelming, but I think it makes more sense with what Alpha or Omega said about the attack lasting for more than a few microseconds. If the maximum output is for the reactor and not the weapon, then it’s a shame because it would have been quantifiable. You’re also welcome.

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