Percy Jackson Vs Ganondorf

Percy Jackson Vs Ganondorf

Suggested by Myrmidon

Ganondorf  (Legend of Zelda) will go up against Percy Jackson (book version).

The mighty King of Evil finds himself arriving in modern day New York through a dimensional rift.

Percy Jackson sees a horde of fleeing civilians and goes to investigate, where he finds himself face to face with Ganondorf himself.  Drawing his sword, Percy prepares for battle while Ganon merely laughs.

Ganondorf is composite of all his appearances in the Legend of Zelda games.  Percy is book version.

Who will win?

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60 Comments on "Percy Jackson Vs Ganondorf"

  1. Rookie October 8, 2015 at 1:37 am -      #1

    I’l side with Ganon for now.

  2. Commander Cross October 8, 2015 at 1:45 am -      #2

    I knew a fight like this was gonna happen.
    Funny, I was expecting it to happen during a Tag Team regard with 2 other people on Percy, otherwise expecting WW or TP Ganondorf against Percy in 1-vs-1.
    Percy is up against an Antichrist variant, or at least the closest the LoZ Multi-verse offers that’s obvious in the Son of Demise one way or another, I knew something like this was gonna happen sooner-or-later.

    Something about this fight horrifies me, not gonna lie.
    Heavenly Peace be with the onlookers, no lies.

    I would also like to report that A New Camp Half-Blood Project is expecting to arrive early 2016 next year, it’s gonna change some things about the fight that’s for sure and Percy’s not a Main player this time around. (At least part of me hopes not, this time.)

  3. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 5:47 am -      #3

    Ganon’s durability will be a pain to deal with, that’s for sure.

  4. Mea quidem sententia October 8, 2015 at 7:40 am -      #4

    Celestial bronze can harm gods and demigods, but not mortals. I suppose the difference is that the first two are immortal in some way. So Percy should have a weapon possibly capable of harming Ganondorf. The sword, Riptide, was used by Herakles himself. If the myth of Herakles is the same in the book, then it should come in handy.

  5. Klondike Bar October 8, 2015 at 7:54 am -      #5

    Why did Herakles need a sword? That is like giving Goku a lazier. Anyway I am pretty sure that all Greek and Roman myth is canon to the Percy Jackson series.

  6. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 8:57 am -      #6

    Yeah, all the myths are considered canon and referenced by the gods and demigods of the series.

    Celestial bronze can harm gods and demigods, but not mortals.

    It can harm mortals if they’re special enough. Prime example being Carter, who is a mortal that knows magic. In a fight he had with Percy, Percy landed multiple hits on him and Riptide worked just fine.

    If the myth of Herakles is the same in the book, then it should come in handy.

    Just curious, why? It didn’t do anything for Hercules in the books.

  7. Mea quidem sententia October 8, 2015 at 9:16 am -      #7

    @Nsl98
    I’ve never read the series myself. I was just looking up information from a Wikipedia page. I thought perhaps if this was based on the actual myth of Herakles, that the sword would be effective in killing Ganondorf since the golden sword was used to cut the immortal head of Hydra.

  8. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 9:26 am -      #8

    Ah, ok. In the series its explained that Riptide can kill monsters and hurt other magical beings due to it being Celestial Bronze. In the PJ Verse, Riptide is given to Herc by Zoe, the forgotten daughter of Atlas.

  9. Batz October 8, 2015 at 10:29 am -      #9

    Two versions of Ganondorf have had the completed Triforce- Link to the Past and Hyrule Warriors.
    Petition to remove the Triforces of Courage and Wisdom from play to prevent a stomp.

  10. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 10:33 am -      #10

    Composite Ganondorf? As in Ganondorf having his own sword fighting skills, several other forms, and all the powers he’s displayed this far? Is Hyrule Warriors included as well, or is it just Canon appearances?

  11. Amm0vamp1r3 October 8, 2015 at 11:14 am -      #11

    Percy really has gone up against a lot of Big Bads. Ganon, Dracula, Kain, we should throw him at satan(dante’s inferno) just for completion sake

  12. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 11:29 am -      #12

    Like everyone else I wonder: when people say composite in reference to LoZ, is HW included? I heard it wasn’t like Dissidia, HW is legit non canonical to LoZ…

    Petition to remove the Triforces of Courage and Wisdom from play to prevent a stomp.

    Agree

    Percy really has gone up against a lot of Big Bads.

    Don’t forget Deadpool, the baddest of bads :)

  13. Mea quidem sententia October 8, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #13

    I don’t think we have to worry about Ganondorf using the Triforce anyway, since he never wishes to win or to even prevent Link from ever existing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hyrule Warriors was included, simply because Myrmidon is a fan of the LoZ series. I wonder if he’d be up for having composite Link fight a single incarnation Samus.

  14. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 3:17 pm -      #14

    @Mea
    Would it really even help if it was composite Percy? I mean, the movie version hasn’t really shown much.

  15. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm -      #15

    Well what all can Ganon do?

    I don’t think Movie Percy is necessary (not that it would do much) They’re in NYC, so water galore. Percy could continuously trap or pound Ganon in water. And if the fight came to swordsmanship I’m confident Percy could at least hang for awhile. Percy has beaten TP and WW Link on FP before, both of whom were able to match Ganon in swordplay. HW is still up for debate.

  16. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 4:37 pm -      #16

    Well, since it’s composite ganondorf, he has all the powers he has in the games (with the exception of maybe Hyrule Warriors and Skyward sword…We need to be cleared up on whether or not those games are included). Meaning, he can levitate into the air and use some sort of energy blasts, like he does in Ocarina of Time. He can surround and Trap Percy into a small-scale arena with Twilight magic. He can also apparently endure fatal injuries because of the Triforce of Power. That Triforce piece also seems to give him the ability to transform into other forms, and create a phantom of himself. There was also a time in Ocarina of time where he was able to create a portal to “The Gap Between Dimensions”, where he banished that phantom after it was defeated.

    Of course, those are only some powers I know of.

  17. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 4:55 pm -      #17

    Meaning, he can levitate into the air and use some sort of energy blasts,

    It’s gonna be pretty hard to levitate when winds that toss around cars and 40 ft crocs are a blowin’. And the energy blasts are slow enough that Percy could play Dead Man’s Volley if he’d like. Or just dodge them.

    He can surround and Trap Percy into a small-scale arena with Twilight magic.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Midna break one of Ganon’s barriers? Percy should be > than her in the strength department. And what if he just shot upward riding a waterspout to get over the barrier?

    He can also apparently endure fatal injuries because of the Triforce of Power

    What classifies as “fatal” to Ganon?

    where he banished that phantom after it was defeated

    He’d have to defeat Percy first if that’s the case.

  18. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #18

    “It’s gonna be pretty hard to levitate when winds that toss around cars and 40 ft crocs are a blowin’. And the energy blasts are slow enough that Percy could play Dead Man’s Volley if he’d like. Or just dodge them.”

    Can Percy conjure these up quickly? Or does he need time and concentration? Also, he’d still have the phantom Ganons to worry about.
    =
    “What classifies as “fatal” to Ganon?”

    I don’t know what classifies as fatal for Ganon, specifically, but he has been shown to survive impalement through the chest with a magical sword, as well as a deep stab into his face with the Master Sword. He survived those, and was simply sealed into another dimension, or turned to stone for one reason or another in Wind Waker.
    =
    “He’d have to defeat Percy first if that’s the case.”

    That’s also debatable. He simply saw his phantom as useless after Link won, and banished it on a whim. Of course, he doesn’t use it on Link, but I think that’s only because of whatever sense of honor he seems to have in these games. Still, he never used it on link, so I guess Percy would still be safe from it…don’t know though.

    I did find these Respect Threads for him:
    www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/legend-of-zelda-ganondorf-respect-thread-1596144/

    www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2spj56/respect_ganondorf_dragmire_king_of_evil/

    However, I’m going to do a bit more research myself.

  19. Friendlysociopath October 8, 2015 at 5:46 pm -      #19

    Can Percy conjure these up quickly? Or does he need time and concentration?

    For the hurricane he can do it as soon as he starts fighting and he doesn’t even realize he does it several times. However:
    The big one NS referred to DID require effort and concentration.
    Percy creates smaller hurricanes without effort

  20. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 5:58 pm -      #20

    That one from CV uses manga scans, which aren’t canon, yes? The gifs show some good durability and powers though.

    Why does Reddit have such good and well thought out respect threads?

    @Numinous
    but he has been shown to survive impalement through the chest with a magical sword, as well as a deep stab into his face with the Master Sword.

    I knew the durability would be tough to get around. Ganon might just outlast him.

    Also, he’d still have the phantom Ganons to worry about.

    Do the phantoms share Ganon’s physical stats? Or do they get defeated with a simple strike or something?

  21. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 6:06 pm -      #21

    “That one from CV uses manga scans, which aren’t canon, yes?”

    I was actually hoping everyone would ignore the manga parts, as we’re specifically using composite Ganon from the games.
    =
    “Do the phantoms share Ganon’s physical stats? Or do they get defeated with a simple strike or something?”

    They are weaker, considering they’re just phantoms, but they have been shown to be formidable themselves. Give me a sec. I need to find the links to their battles…hopefully they’ll show what they can do.

    OoT Phantom Ganon
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mpD0xXqRg8

    Wind Waker Phantom Ganon
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=47q7fiRx6oY

  22. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 6:39 pm -      #22

    @Friendly
    Percy creates smaller hurricanes without effort

    Well his small ones can still toss shields and man sized targets around so it should still disrupt the whole levitation thing. Just on a smaller scale.

  23. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 6:48 pm -      #23

    Double post, sorry

    I think the phantoms could be dealt with fine as long as Percy is careful. His battlefield awareness should help him in a potential 3 on one scenario.

  24. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 7:01 pm -      #24

    It would help, but with their range attacks, close range attacks and teleportation, it would whittle him down a bit, and make things harder.

  25. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 7:12 pm -      #25

    but with their range attacks

    That are slow enough for Link to dodge. Percy was a casual multi arrow blocker at the start of the series, he’s much faster now.

    close range attacks and teleportation

    Percy has the ability to notice and predict muscle movements. He can keep track of a couple dozen things going on at once and has singlehandedly stomped entire Roman and momster squadrons solo. It would take alot to overwhelm him.

  26. OriginalA October 8, 2015 at 7:23 pm -      #26

    So Ganon is invulnerable to the Master Sword’s normal attacks in LTTP. It requires either a Spin Attack, which is explicitly empowered by Link’s inner power, or having the Golden Sword.

    Either way, Ganon’s defenses in LTTP are considerably more formidable then compared to his other incarnations.

    Ganon in LOZ was just invisible except when he was struck, and even then he would turn invisible again soon afterwards. He was throwing fireballs while invisible.

    OoT he can fly. TP; teleport. WW; swordsman on top of being a wizard.

    So Percy is fighting a nearly invulnerable, flying, teleporting, wizard that can fight beat all but the best swordsmen. … Oh and in FSA he was sending people into the Dark World where they would be corrupted by the area and bent to his will.

    Also if the entire area go dark then Ganon can use his Darkness Technique and become one-way intangible.

    Oracles Ganon could confuse his enemies too (shown mechanically as reversed controls).

    He’s generally immune to magic attacks too, unless they are Holy or Anti-Demon type attacks. Divine fire? merely slowed him down in WW enough to allow Link and Tetra to escape. Link’s spells in any game? Useless unless it is Light Arrows or Silver Arrows (which have an unexplained, unknown, magical property to them that allow them to harm him, so they are probably identical to Light Arrows anyways).

    Would Agahmin’s abilities be included with Ganon?
    Agahmin was a fragment of Ganon’s soul given form. While he is the first case of Dead Man’s Volley in the series, he typically doesn’t share any other trait with Ganon’s skill set. Duplication, teleportation (TP Ganon shares this due to him gaining Twili-magic), transdimentional BFR (again, TP Ganon from Twili-magic; I guess FSA Ganon also had that), Dead Man’s Volley (common to many), shoots Lightning Bolts from his hands ala Emperor Palpatine, and peculiarly can electrocute Link through touch whenever he attacks him with the Master Sword (means that Agahmin can’t be beat from sword strikes), which almost nobody else in the series has (except Chu Chu’s…. damn electric gelly men).

    EDIT:
    Also if Ganon can get Percy to stand still for about 10 seconds, he can cast his Crystal Prison spell on him. That’s how he got Zelda in OoT.

  27. Mea quidem sententia October 8, 2015 at 7:57 pm -      #27

    A hurricane with 40 m/s winds on a scale of radius 60 km. generates 1.3 * 10^17 joules per day.

    www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/D7.html

    There’s 86,400 seconds in a day, so this would be equal to 1.505 * 10^12 J/s, or 1.505 terawatts per second. Not even an atomic bomb would be able to stop a hurricane.

    A fully developed hurricane produces up to 50 terawatts and more, according to Wolfram | Alpha. Even Live Science agrees with this. “The heat release, Landsea wrote, ‘is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes.'”

    www.livescience.com/24383-can-you-stop-a-hurricane-by-nuking-it.html

    So far, Percy’s abilities are more impressive if you apply physics.

  28. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 7:57 pm -      #28

    @OA
    So Percy is fighting a nearly invulnerable, flying, teleporting, wizard that can fight beat all but the best swordsmen

    Could said swordsman read muscle movements and predict accordingly and effortlessly beat entire squadrons of trained soldiers? I don’t think Ganon has fought a swordsman quite like Percy. Plus he should have a faster combat speed than Link (fights as a blur to the human eye and can blitz enemies before his friends even react).

    Also if the entire area go dark then Ganon can use his Darkness Technique and become one-way intangible.

    Celestial Bronze and Imperial Gold have worked on ghosts and wind spirits before.

    Oracles Ganon could confuse his enemies too (shown mechanically as reversed controls).

    How does he go about doing this?

    He’s generally immune to magic attacks too

    Percy doesn’t use magic, just a sword specifically meant to harm magical beings. And his hydrokinesis which also includes moinor geo and aerokinesis.

    shoots Lightning Bolts from his hands ala Emperor Palpatine, and peculiarly can electrocute Link through touch whenever he attacks him with the Master Sword

    Percy has tanked lightning that melts straight to ash and atomizes people.

    (means that Agahmin can’t be beat from sword strikes),

    What about thousands of gallons of water in the shape of fists that can grind monsters who shrug off trucks?

    Also if Ganon can get Percy to stand still for about 10 seconds, he can cast his Crystal Prison spell on him.

    Percy only uses his hands when doing the water hands or the mega hurricane. Otherwise the water control is thought based.

    @Mea
    You know, I may actually consider delving deeper into science than I originally planned, thanks in part to the good calcers of this site. Would you recommend it? Like as a side major in college or something.

  29. OriginalA October 8, 2015 at 8:20 pm -      #29

    ” I don’t think Ganon has fought a swordsman quite like Percy. ”

    I don’t think Percy has ever fought an invisible, nigh-invulnerably, flying battle mage before. Though I agree that Percy is probably faster than Link. Some of Link’s speed feats (depending on how you interpret them) can lead to some pretty funny conclusions, like Link being able to run significantly faster than an arrow (using Pegesus Boots in LTTP to outrun arrows).

    “Celestial Bronze and Imperial Gold have worked on ghosts and wind spirits before.”

    Explain the ghosts and wind spirits, please. I’d like more context to make a better comparison or contrast to LoZverse ghosts and spirits. I’d guess the best question would be can ghosts and wind spirits be hurt by anything that is not Celestial Bronze?

    “How does he go about doing this?”

    Easier to show you. It’s when the floor changes color, 1:10 into the video. This is from the Oracles games, where Ganon had just been brought back to life from a failed resurrection spell and is extremely weakened.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzFjUT3w2C0

    “Percy doesn’t use magic, just a sword specifically meant to harm magical beings. And his hydrokinesis which also includes moinor geo and aerokinesis.”

    In a different place, different time, that’s called magic. I could easily simply say that if it isn’t Holy or Anti-Demon (or sufficiently close to either) based then it flat out isn’t going to work against Ganon. I’m being generous in how I’m describing his abilities. Fantastical energy manipulation is generally under the purview of “magic”.

    I’m not going to bother responding about Agahmin until I find out if that’s actually going to be included in this match.

  30. Mea quidem sententia October 8, 2015 at 8:54 pm -      #30

    @Nsl98
    I would recommend it, actually. It’d be beneficial. I’ve been lazy on learning math lately, so I’m greatly hindering myself with things I could have known already.

  31. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 9:03 pm -      #31

    @OA
    I don’t think Percy has ever fought an invisible, nigh-invulnerably, flying battle mage before.

    Point taken

    Explain the ghosts and wind spirits, please.

    Quotes on Storm Spirits:
    Dylan’s body dissolved into smoke, as if his molecules were becoming unglued. He had the same face, the same brilliant white smile, but his whole form was composed of swirling black vapor…

    Normal weapon passing right through it:
    Piper was on her feet, desperately swinging the club to fend off the two extra storm spirits, but they were just toying with her. The club went right through their bodies like they weren’t there.

    Imperial Gold (Roman Equivalent to Celestial Bronze) killing a spirit:
    1.His blade passed through it and the creature’s smoky form disentegrated.
    2.Jason stepped in–one quick thrust, and the second storm spirit dissolved into gold powder

    Don’t have the book that has them fighting the ghosts, so I can’t get quotes for that…yet. The situation may or may not change in a few days.

    Easier to show you. It’s when the floor changes color, 1:10 into the video.

    A near instant ground attack that may or may not give Percy an epileptic seizure would be pretty effective.

    My eyes…

    if it isn’t Holy or Anti-Demon

    What about Anti monster?

    In a different place, different time, that’s called magic.

    Would you consider the mutant abilities of the X Men magical? Cuz Percy is in the same situation, his powers come from his genes.

    I’m not going to bother responding about Agahmin until I find out if that’s actually going to be included in this match.

    I don’t think Myrmidon will show. We kinda pissed him off over on Kharn vs Spider-Man

    @Mea
    Cool thanks! I figure it’d be best for me to start planning now instead of right before I begin my next great step in life.

  32. Nobunaga Jin October 8, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #32

    @Nsl98 Um…the X-Men weren’t demigods though. They’re genes just happened to have mutated and brought about abnormal abilities. Percy was born the son of the Greek god of the Ocean, so his powers stem from him.

  33. Batz October 8, 2015 at 9:32 pm -      #33

    I’m not sure if it’ll matter, but in Wind Waker, Ganondorf is immune to the Fire and Ice arrows, the latter of which can freeze an active volcano for five minutes. Worth noting is that during this battle, Ganondorf did NOT have the Triforce of Power’s protection.

  34. Nsl98 October 8, 2015 at 9:54 pm -      #34

    Percy was born the son of the Greek god of the Ocean, so his powers stem from him.

    Yeah, I just remembered that a bunch of us had this exàct convo over on another thread. My bad.

    Worth noting is that during this battle, Ganondorf did NOT have the Triforce of Power’s protection.

    Dang, Mr. Dragmire lolnopes alot.

  35. Aelfinn October 8, 2015 at 10:37 pm -      #35

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Midna break one of Ganon’s barriers? Percy should be > than her in the strength department. And what if he just shot upward riding a waterspout to get over the barrier?”

    Midna was using the Fused Shadows, which had previously allowed her to literally blow Zant up with a “fraction” of its power.
    Death of Zant:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqUCO0LN_Fk
    Breaking of Castle Barrier:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM96jUuJZ-g

  36. OriginalA October 9, 2015 at 12:17 am -      #36

    @ Nsl98
    On Ghosts and Wind Spirits:
    Is there any indication that the tangibility of either of them can change at their discretion? Is it possible for a normal object to hit a ghost if the ghost chooses to be tangible?

    I’m trying to draw parallels to Poes (ghosts from LoZ). Poes transition through a couple different phases. Either they are selectively solid (mundane swords hit here, but walls and the ground don’t), or they are invisible and unable to be hit (unless you have wolf senses apparently, and being able to notice them allows you to him them, in which case they act like the previous phase).

    So I’m basically wondering if maybe the ghosts there might simply have gotten hit before they could render themselves fully intangible.

    “A near instant ground attack that may or may not give Percy an epileptic seizure would be pretty effective.”

    It is not inherently attached to the ground. Jumping does not cancel out the effect.

    “What about Anti monster?”

    How generic? How specific? Is there anything closer to Holy or Anti-Demon, or Anti-Evil? Something so generic probably wouldn’t work. Not specific enough. … unless it is shown to work against demons really well. Does it work on demons in-universe? Do demons even exist in that universe?

    “I don’t think Myrmidon will show. We kinda pissed him off over on Kharn vs Spider-Man”

    I’ll just nix the Agahmin abilities then. I don’t actually think they add much of anything. On second glance, most of Agahmin’s abilities are covered by some version of Ganon anyways.

    “Would you consider the mutant abilities of the X Men magical?”

    As far as Ganon’s defenses are concerned? Yes! Some of them anyways. Storm’s ability. Sure. Ganon’s No-Selled more impressive weather manipulation spells than what she’s pulled off. Pyro’s fire? Ganon wouldn’t give a shit. Even psychic powers are not entirely outside Ganon’s experience; he even has some of his own, although he rarely uses them. Some of the more exotic stuff would have to be settled on a case by case basis though. Limited pool of samples, out of context problems, orders of magnitudes of difference in scale… there are a lot of things to consider, but just as a blanket statement… yeah, I’d say that their powers would be effectively identically to magic where similarities overlap.

  37. Numinous One October 9, 2015 at 2:27 am -      #37

    “@Numinous”

    That’s so sweet.
    I hadn’t even commented on this and you were thinking of me.
    Cheers bae.

  38. LadyRamkin October 9, 2015 at 6:45 am -      #38

    Valoo’s fire is divine???
    – – –
    “Dylan’s body dissolved into smoke, as if his molecules were becoming unglued. He had the same face, the same brilliant white smile, but his whole form was composed of swirling black vapor…”

    So…. technically a poe and the wind spirits are intangible…. but the wind spirits seem to be intangible because they are made of gas? whereas poes shit have a solid form that things just pass through. Would we treat those as the same thing??? Gas is still in of itself tangible. Where as LoZ intangibles are solid masses that things pass through….. it that makes any sense….

  39. LadyRamkin October 9, 2015 at 7:00 am -      #39

    *poes still have

  40. Mea quidem sententia October 9, 2015 at 7:34 am -      #40

    In fiction, ghosts typically are physical, but can become intangible. Poes, Chozo Ghosts, Boos.

  41. Friendlysociopath October 9, 2015 at 11:45 am -      #41

    Ramkin’s back! Yaaaaay!

    Do demons even exist in that universe?

    Yes, Percy kills hundreds of them when he goes to the Underworld; they each curse him as they die.

  42. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 11:54 am -      #42

    @Aelfinn
    Midna was using the Fused Shadows, which had previously allowed her to literally blow Zant up with a “fraction” of its power.

    But it still requires physical force, right? Percy’s water hands should do the trick.

    @OA
    Is there any indication that the tangibility of either of them can change at their discretion?

    The spirits were only hurt by regular weaponry when they were in mortal form. Once they turned into storm mode, the weapon passed right through them. Unless it was demigod weaponry (Celestial Bronze/Imperial Gold)

    Is it possible for a normal object to hit a ghost if the ghost chooses to be tangible?

    Not sure what you’re asking here. Aren’t ghosts normally intangible by default?

    So I’m basically wondering if maybe the ghosts there might simply have gotten hit before they could render themselves fully intangible.

    Jason started fighting them off after Piper’s failed strikes. So they would have already been in intangible mode.

    This is Percy fighting regenerating ghosts. They would have been put down immediately after Percy’s strikes had Gaea not chained the Death God:
    Every time Percy slashed one of them down, the ghost reformed immediately.

    (unless you have wolf senses apparently,

    An interesting little tidbit on Percy and not really necessary to the debate, but after training with Lupa he got wolf senses.

    Not specific enough. … unless it is shown to work against demons really well. Does it work on demons in-universe? Do demons even exist in that universe?

    In universe its just explained that monsters can only be killed by using those specific metals. Here’s a quote on Celestial Bronze:
    The metal is forged by the Cyclops, tempered in the heart of Mt. Etna, and cooled in the River Lethe. It’s deadly to monsters, to any creature from the Underworld.

    Storm’s ability. Sure. Ganon’s No-Selled more impressive weather manipulation spells than what she’s pulled off.

    LoZ has people who can manipulate and create storms on a continental to planetary scale?

    But on the other things, yeah I see your point.

    Side note, but apparently Percy’s smaller combat hurricane can destroy buildings,

  43. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 12:00 pm -      #43

    That’s so sweet.
    I hadn’t even commented on this and you were thinking of me.
    Cheers bae.


    Oh wow, hadn’t even realized that I did that. I had just re read the last few pages of Kain vs DBZ (you were on that one alot). Guess the name just got stuçk on my mind and both you and Nobunga start with N.

    And cheers!

  44. Nobunaga Jin October 9, 2015 at 12:38 pm -      #44

    But it still requires physical force, right? Percy’s water hands should do the trick.

    I took a look at the scene, and by the look of it, it seems more like spear made of powerful Twilight Magic.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Ocpt9uLoA

    Around 5:00:00
    I paused it at 5:00:25

  45. OriginalA October 9, 2015 at 12:49 pm -      #45

    “Valoo’s fire is divine???’

    Well he is a dragon god.

    “Not sure what you’re asking here. Aren’t ghosts normally intangible by default?”

    As a general rule ghosts tend to have a selective relationship with tangibility. Different takes on ghosts can have different rules though.

    I’m going to concede on Celestial Bronze being able to strike intangible targets though.

    “LoZ has people who can manipulate and create storms on a continental to planetary scale?”

    Specifically Ganondorf has similar abilities. Not quite the same, but similar. Depending on how you interpret an event in Wind Waker, either Ganondorf created a storm that was so huge it covered all of Hyrule for days on end and blotted out the sun. Or he stopped the planet from rotating while also creating a huge storm that covered all of Hyrule. In game dialog refers to it as “stopping time” but that isn’t quite right because time still progresses, but the dawn never arrives. Naturally, he uses magic to accomplish this.

    Link could summon storms in OoT and MM too by using magical music. There are gods in WW that are in charge of the weather.

    Also something to keep in mind is that I was referring to Storm from the movies and animated shows. I know that wasn’t clear though. Sorry for the confusion. Also mind you, the entire premise for Wind Waker is that the entire world has been flooded via divine intervention from the top three Goddesses of the series in order to stop Ganondorf (along with a bunch of other people doing other stuff to stop him too)… He got better.

  46. LadyRamkin October 9, 2015 at 3:01 pm -      #46

    “Ramkin’s back! Yaaaaay!”

    eh… kinda.
    – – –
    “I’m going to concede on Celestial Bronze being able to strike intangible targets though.”

    Im not.
    Storm spirits seem to turn into gas, so even though objects can pass trough them, a metal that specifically kills monsters that passes through them will come into contact with the particles that make up the monster and therefore kill it.

    Something that can be legitimately intangible. Can not actually be touched by the metal in any way, and therefore the effect will not work. Is the way i see it. If you show me celestial bronze hurting something that has no physical form at all, not even gas, then i concede the point.

  47. LadyRamkin October 9, 2015 at 3:08 pm -      #47

    “Well he is a dragon god.”

    … he is? o.O

    I thought he was some kind of…. guardian…. thing….. hmmm dragon deity it is then..

  48. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 3:22 pm -      #48

    Also something to keep in mind is that I was referring to Storm from the movies and animated shows.

    Oh, my bad. Sorry.

    He got better

    Well Percy is gonna have a rough time then.

    So will Riptide at least be enough to slow Ganon down? Otherwise Percy is stuck fighting a nigh unkillable wizard death machine. Percy has some good endurance, but Ganon might just be too durable for Percy to make a difference.

  49. OriginalA October 9, 2015 at 4:07 pm -      #49

    “I thought he was some kind of…. guardian…. thing….. hmmm dragon deity it is then..”

    Guardian spirits are minor deities in LoZ. Lord Jabu Jabu, Great Deku Tree, and the four Light Spirits from TP are also gods.

    “Oh, my bad. Sorry.:”

    It’s fine. I wasn’t clear at first.

    “Well Percy is gonna have a rough time then.”

    Took Ganon a while though. Centuries. But there were also other magical forces sealing him away aside from just an ocean of water.

    I think Percy does have a chance. Since Friendly says Riptide can kill demons, that should be enough to at lease qualify it as an analogy to Evil’s Bane. That basically equates it to the Master Sword, more or less. Against most versions of Ganon this is enough to allow someone to fight on relatively equal footing in a sword match. Against LTTP Ganon, and his buffed up defense, this means that only the strongest attacks from that sword would be making any significant damage.

    As for Percy’s weather control, regardless of whether or not it is viable for direct damage against Ganon, he should be able to use it for battlefield control. Blocking off areas, creating/destroying cover, putting distance between himself and Ganon, creating choke points. If he gets creative this can be a valuable advantage.

    On the flip side, Ganon can do that too to some degree. TP Ganon created magic barriers to prevent Link from escaping (or Midna from interfering during the first phase of that boss fight). Same with OoT Ganon creating a fire barrier to keep Zelda from helping out. LttP Ganon’s Darkness Technique involved him deliberately darkening the battle arena, and shortly before he creates pit falls to throw Link down (mechanically speaking this causes Link to exit the battle and forces the player to restart the battle from phase one all over again). So Ganon isn’t afraid to alter the battlefield to his advantage either, but I think Percy’s weather control can do so more dramatically, and Ganon doesn’t often fight people who can actually pull stuff like that off so it is a bit out of his normal experience range.

    Of course Ganon being able to fly and be constantly invisible is some pretty handy trick that does mitigate a lot of a battlefield advantage.

  50. Commander Cross October 9, 2015 at 4:27 pm -      #50

    Here’s going on based with what I’d know:

    Percy without any Enhancements(Styx-related or otherwise) and/or Chameleon Armor or Nemean Lion Armor vs either OoT, WW or TP Ganondorf = A fight that’s potentially anyone’s game depending on who makes the fewer mistakes, both are bloody Physically Strong on top of Supernatural Might on their side.

    Percy(w/out with I’d list above) against Ganondorf with OoT, TP and WW Powers and showings allowed = the Uphill campaign starts rolling in and nothing less than all the stops being pulled onward is gonna help Percy.

    Percy (w/out any of the above) vs a Ganondorf based on one of the 3 Great LoZ Timelines and/or Hyrule Warriors!-Ganondorf = The Uphill Campaign keeps escalating, The Son of Demise is clearly going for broke, if Percy don’t do the same on TOP of using all his Martial Skill and Prowess, he’s beyond screwed at any rate.

    Percy vs Total Composite Ganondorf = If Percy has none-of-the-above I listed up at this point, well this much horrifies me, I’ll not deny it.
    Given that the fight is in New York, the best Percy’s got to divert TC!-Ganondorf long enough to close in before its too late relies on tossing as many Vehicles the opponent’s way as possible, Bloodlust or Despair are the only ‘known’ ways thus far for Percy to pull out his Trump Cards unless he’s got the Skill and Discipline needed to do so without such things by now.
    Percy’s best bet is to hazard undergoing Poison to embrace the Bloodlust or Despair, but even with Poison Control regarded this move’s a double-edged weapon at best as Percy needs to be in constant control of all that Poison he’d have to risk.

    I can’t believe I’m suggesting a Risky proposition to consider, no lies.
    I just know that Percy hits quicker and harder if/when bloodlust or despair kicks in, that goes for his Supernatural Might as well while Supernatural Skill be up-for-grabs.

    Any attempts at Poisoning Percy = SOMEONE’S GONNA DIE unless the Poison gets purged and Percy snaps out of it.

    I dunno what horrifies me more, the fact I’m saying more beyond the initial post, the idea I just proposed, or me working to get it together for a fight like this after all that’s happened?
    I’ve no doubt if the Triforce of Power gets factored in, Ganondorf’s Defenses and Might(both Physically and Supernaturally Speaking) are Amped accordingly, that’s gonna threaten Percy’s Magic-Resistances in general no doubt.
    I also remember that Percy fought Non-Godly Magic-Users before, some of whom are Magic Knights as well when noting on Carter Kane and other folks.

  51. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 4:28 pm -      #51

    this means that only the strongest attacks from that sword would be making any significant damage.

    Well off the top of my head, his strongest sword strikes have caused the ground to shake beneath him. His more casual ones have him effortlessly cutting through stone and various types of metal.

    In terms of his non striking strength, he can pick up and throw a Minotaur, and a quick Google search reveals that the average bull weighs anywhere between 1,000 and 2,000 pounds. He can also strangle large sea monsters bare handed and literally beat a Cyclops to near death.

    TP Ganon created magic barriers to prevent Link from escaping

    How tall are these? Percy can leap 20 ft into the air without a running start.

    Same with OoT Ganon creating a fire barrier to keep Zelda from helping out.

    Percy has some degree of heat resistance. Could the fire be put out with water? Or feirce hurricane wind?

    Ganon’s Darkness Technique involved him deliberately darkening the battle arena

    Percy’s Demigod senses and awareness have allowed him to fight while blinded before. Riptide also glows and he’s used it as a light at various points in the series.

    Those prolly won’t help him against the pit fall resets though. How would the reset thing translate into an FP fight? Would it literally restart?

    If he gets creative this can be a valuable advantage.

    Most likely. They are in New York, so there won’t be any shortage of water for him to use.

  52. Nobunaga Jin October 9, 2015 at 4:42 pm -      #52

    “Since Friendly says Riptide can kill demons, that should be enough to at lease qualify it as an analogy to Evil’s Bane. That basically equates it to the Master Sword, more or less.”

    Even then, I don’t think it’d be enough, given that the. Triforce of Power has allowed him to survive even a stab through the face against the Master Sword itself in OoT.
    =
    “Percy has some degree of heat resistance. Could the fire be put out with water? Or feirce hurricane wind?”

    I think it’s somewhat debatable, considering there was a time where Ganon froze things with Red Ice, which could only be melted by a magical Blue Fire that was exceedingly cold.

  53. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 4:57 pm -      #53

    Even then, I don’t think it’d be enough, given that the. Triforce of Power has allowed him to survive even a stab through the face against the Master Sword itself in OoT.

    What about repeated sword strikes to the face? Percy is alot stronger (striking wise) and faster than Link…

    I think it’s somewhat debatable, considering there was a time where Ganon froze things with Red Ice, which could only be melted by a magical Blue Fire that was exceedingly cold.

    That’s….weird. How does that effect fire though? Has he only done it with ice?

  54. Mea quidem sententia October 9, 2015 at 5:09 pm -      #54

    @OriginalA
    Valoo is more accurately a sky spirit and a guardian spirit. You could say these are equivalent to being a god, but as a tutelary god, Valoo would seem to only have power of a local area, or he would be seen as a god of a particular people or culture. Athena of Athens would be an example. I’m not sure how his flame is sacred fire. Put another way, if a god urinates, is his urine effective against a demons?

    BankGambling: a place where questions only like this would be asked.

  55. Nobunaga Jin October 9, 2015 at 5:13 pm -      #55

    “What about repeated sword strikes to the face? Percy is alot stronger (striking wise) and faster than Link…”

    He seems to take that as well, if the ending of Ocarina of time is anything to go by. Link did hit him a few times before the stab, and even then Ganon still had to be sealed into another dimension in order for them to be victorious.
    =
    “That’s….weird. How does that effect fire though? Has he only done it with ice?”

    Like I said, it’s debatable. He has only done it with ice, but it was created by Ganon using magic. Considering the flames that Ganon uses to cut Link off from Zelda in Ocarina of Time only rose because of his own doing, and only fell, because he was stunned, it seems likely that those flames were created through magic as well, and may not have the same properties as normal fire.
    Again, this is more like speculation, so…

  56. Friendlysociopath October 9, 2015 at 5:17 pm -      #56

    Put another way, if a god urinates, is his urine effective against a demons?

    Believe it or not, I have in my possession a series where this is actually a thing. All the various humors from the Gods can be used for magic and shenanigans. A God spits on a dagger and turns it into a dagger that heals you as fast as it cuts you; he then stabbed the protagonist in the shoulder with it and left it in for a few minutes.
    And yes, all of the bodily humors can be used in different ways. Another God uses his sweat to flash freeze a large chunk of the ocean.

  57. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm -      #57

    @Jin
    and even then Ganon still had to be sealed into another dimension in order for them to be victorious.

    Hmmmm…..
    I think one of the only other ways for Percy to end this would be for him to get the Olympians to make a special prison or something. But that’s outside help, so never mind.

    Again, this is more like speculation, so…

    In this case, its probably justified. The fire may very well be tied to his will.

    @Friendly
    What series is this?!?!

  58. Mea quidem sententia October 9, 2015 at 5:37 pm -      #58

    @Friendlysociopath
    That’s funny.

  59. Friendlysociopath October 9, 2015 at 7:34 pm -      #59

    What series is this?!?!

    It’s called the Godslayer Chronicles.
    fantasybookcritic.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-paean-to-myrillia-godslayer.html

    I’ve been tempted to try getting Tylar a match but he’s kind of hax. The shadow-thing inside of him will literally destroy anything it touches that isn’t the same sort of shadow-thing.

  60. Nsl98 October 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm -      #60

    I might have to check it out then. Been meaning to find new material.

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