Bills Vs Flash

Bills Vs Flash

Suggested by sadot06

The Flash will go up against Bills (DBZ).

Bills is bored and traveling through space when he flies through a singularity and ends up in the DC verse. He happens upon Earth and stops by because its familiar. He ends up in Central City and stops to get sushi. However, while he’s eating the Flash knocks a bank robber through the window and spills his plate of California rolls. Bills gets angry and blows the place. Stunned, the Flash prepares to face this strange new threat. Bills is annoyed and wants everything to die.

Who wins?

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102 Comments on "Bills Vs Flash"

  1. Nsl98 October 2, 2015 at 12:04 am -      #1

    Flash speed blitzes.

  2. Ninja Lowk October 2, 2015 at 12:13 am -      #2

    Flash recently became
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  3. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 12:16 am -      #3

    @Nsl Would Bills really feel it? And he’s shown to be able to fly pretty fast in DBS.

    I’m sure he can blow up the planet and Flash won’t be able to do anything about it.

    EDIT @Lowk O yea, forgot about that. Hmmm, probably Flash then, by leaps and bounds actually.

  4. Nsl98 October 2, 2015 at 12:18 am -      #4

    So, Superman is depowered. Batman is a literal god. Wonder Woman is covered. Aquaman is the Avatar. Manhunter isn’t really a Martian. And Flash is apparently Death now.

    I have to ask, is DC running out of ideas or something?

  5. pimpmage October 2, 2015 at 12:23 am -      #5

    I’m not into super hero comics much, but I’ve seen a trend often enough. Why do good guy allies always CONSTANTLY fight EACH OTHER as much as they fight bad guys? Are they running out of things to fight so authors say fuck it, fight each other?

  6. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 12:26 am -      #6

    @Nsl There’s also Firepits Supes.

  7. Nsl98 October 2, 2015 at 12:29 am -      #7

    @CH1
    Ugh, don’t remind me.

    @Pimp
    I think that’s mostly Marvel. I don’t recall any major DC events that revolve around heroes beating the crap out of each other. Meanwhile, Marvel over there has been doing it alot since Civil War.

    Plus $$$. Who doesn’t wanna see a good superhero battle royale?

  8. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 12:34 am -      #8

    “Ugh, don’t remind me.”

    comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/superman-falls-into-an-apokolips-fire-pit-3.jpg
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    “I don’t recall any major DC events that revolve around heroes beating the crap out of each other.”

    Trinity War comes to mind.

  9. Nsl98 October 2, 2015 at 12:44 am -      #9

    Trinity War comes to mind.

    Besides that, don’t DC heroes tend to get along better?

    Civil War, Rogue Avengers vs Mighty Avengers, WWH, Ultimate End, AvX, Contest of Champions, Axis etcetc are all major Marvel events that almost entirely involve heroes beating each other up. Marvel heroes are pretty dysfunctional when you think about it

  10. Alpha or Omega October 2, 2015 at 12:51 am -      #10

    DC heroes do fight each other.
    Some of it is brainwashing or something along the effect of no self-control IIRC.

  11. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 12:53 am -      #11

    “Besides that, don’t DC heroes tend to get along better?”

    Haven’t read as much DC as I have Marvel, so not sure. AFAIK yea.

  12. Ninja Lowk October 2, 2015 at 1:19 am -      #12

    “I have to ask, is DC running out of ideas or something?”

    Bat-god while a running joke, I would have never suspected happening. Nor Diana having to deal with being war.
    I don’t think it’s that they are running out of ideas. Seems more like they are coming up with weird ones that take the heroes out of their element and flip shit upside down.
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    Also my mistake. Flash had his old costume in the darksied war. So that must be the past for him. Actually it might explain the new outfit somehow.
    So yeah, normal flash, Beerus destroys the planet after getting hit MANY times.

  13. pimpmage October 2, 2015 at 1:28 am -      #13

    Actually, I would argue that flash punches beerus across the galaxy, essentially bfring him. Being able to move millions of times ftl, flash would be like quicksilver. Except time would be at a standstill till whenever he feels like stopping. One punch at millions of times ftl would just bfr beerus.

  14. Rookie October 2, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #14

    @pimpmage

    “I’m not into super hero comics much, but I’ve seen a trend often enough. Why do good guy allies always CONSTANTLY fight EACH OTHER as much as they fight bad guys? Are they running out of things to fight so authors say fuck it, fight each other?”

    It’s comics. Each author wants to write that he wants to write. Or sometimes some authors just hate how things stands in comics and want to rewrite it according to their vision. Remember Amazon attack anyone? I just love how we supposed to respect child killers amazons after that event. DC need fresh ideas and more strict control. This whole Darkseid vs Anti-Monitor fight was a big meh except for ending of the fight. They barely even hit each other, so many wasted chances for epic fight.

  15. Ninja Lowk October 2, 2015 at 1:35 am -      #15

    “Besides that, don’t DC heroes tend to get along better?”

    Get along better, eh. However their hero vs hero conflicts do seem to be very short lived in comparison to marvel.
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  16. Ninja Lowk October 2, 2015 at 1:45 am -      #16

    “Remember Amazon attack anyone? I just love how we supposed to respect child killers amazons after that event.”

    I think that was the older amazons. Pretty sure if that happened in Diana’s age someone would have a armored boot up thier ass.
    Also, all the male babies were given to Hephaestus, so technically they aren’t.
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    “This whole Darkseid vs Anti-Monitor fight was a big meh except for ending of the fight.”

    Well it isn’t like it is over.

  17. Rookie October 2, 2015 at 1:58 am -      #17

    @Ninja Lowk

    “Well it isn’t like it is over.”

    Batman will find some uber tech artifact they will seal/banish Anti-Monitor, Grail will reveal that this was all part of her master plan, replace Darkseid as ruler of evil and Darkseid will return after 50 or so issues and reclaim his title. It’s will go as it always go from now.

  18. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 2:09 am -      #18

    “One punch at millions of times ftl would just bfr beerus.”

    Bills can come back, fairly quickly too.

  19. Dmtl October 2, 2015 at 7:09 am -      #19

    Isn’t his name Beerus not Bills…

  20. Sauroposeidon October 2, 2015 at 8:11 am -      #20

    “DC heroes do fight each other.”

    Yes. Yes they do. And they can keep fighting each other as far as I’m concerned..

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=n079MNojJJc

    Yup.. keep fightin’ ladies. Lemme go get my popcorn.

  21. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 11:05 am -      #21

    Bills feats:

    Whis goes to a distant planet to get Bills dinosaur meat. Bills gets impatient after he thinks Whis takes too long and flies there. Whis lets him know it’s only been 2 minutes and 20 seconds since he left:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxrFIInG67E


    During his fight with Goku, the force of their punches colliding literally threatens to destroy the universe:www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC4CsT6Oaeo

  22. hellboy147 October 2, 2015 at 11:51 am -      #22

    “During his fight with Goku, the force of their punches colliding literally threatens to destroy the universe”
    _

    And yet screw attack let superman walk trough SSJGSS Kamehameha like it’s nothing. Hell they dont even bother mentioning about that stuff smh

  23. Karen Starr October 2, 2015 at 11:55 am -      #23

    Because they didn’t know about it. Super wasn’t really out at that point.

  24. Nsl98 October 2, 2015 at 11:57 am -      #24

    I don’t think the feats were out yet.

    And Post Crisis Superman (the one in the video) actually can walk through a Kamehameha.

  25. Karen Starr October 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm -      #25

    Just like to point out that wasn’t punches though was causing the shit to happen. That was their ki attacks colliding.

  26. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm -      #26

    “Just like to point out that wasn’t punches though was causing the shit to happen. That was their ki attacks colliding.”

    It was actually their punches. The elder Kai warned them after their fists collided that if they kept doing it the universe would be destroyed. I forgot that video is part 3 of that exchange where they do ki attacks. Here is part 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-S_cRcrllo

    And yeah the feats weren’t out yet when Death Battle made that video. The only thing they had to go on was the horribly underwhelming Battle of the Gods movie. They didn’t realize the movie would get done completely over in Dragon Ball Super.

  27. oakranger October 2, 2015 at 12:29 pm -      #27

    I’m somewhat glad that I stopped reading the comics a long time ago now. I seem to have stopped before things got weird. Didn’t know batman became a god at all!

    Since Flash isn’t at greatest I’m going with bills pulling off a win without to much problem.

  28. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 2:00 pm -      #28

    “Isn’t his name Beerus not Bills…”

    Yes, but there are a lot of translation errors that have it as Bills and I just feel like continue to call him Bills since I saw that first. Same reason why I call Shazam! Shazam! as opposed to Captain Marvel(and simplicity reasons since Marvel has a few of those as well).
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    If Flash is in his Death incarnation I say he wins quite handily, if not Bills probably takes this.

  29. pimpmage October 2, 2015 at 4:24 pm -      #29

    How would beerus even see flash, let alone counteract his punches? Aelf calced one scan of him moving millions of times ftl. Beerus cannot move interstellar distances without outside help. He will get bfred with a single punch.

  30. Aelfinn October 2, 2015 at 4:41 pm -      #30

    The Flash can react in a femtosecond:
    static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/4398792-7395986141-30483.jpg
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    A femtosecond is 10^-15 of a second.
    If by “react” he means “move 0.2 meters”, that means he moves 2 * 10^14 m/s. Do you want to know how fast that is?
    =
    Speed of Light = 299792458 m/s
    Flash = 200000000000000 m/s
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    Thats 667 THOUSAND times the speed of light. And that’s only if the Flash moves 0.2 meters. Multiply that by 5 for a full meter.

  31. Friendlysociopath October 2, 2015 at 4:48 pm -      #31

    Beerus cannot move interstellar distances without outside help.

    You’re using some outdated info mate, it was already pointed out he doesn’t need Whiz to travel.

  32. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm -      #32


    Also Aelfinn can you estimate Bills speed from post 21?

  33. pimpmage October 2, 2015 at 5:16 pm -      #33

    He needs whiz to travel ftl speeds as seen in the last debate. Whiz isn’t here.

  34. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 5:27 pm -      #34

    “He needs whiz to travel ftl speeds as seen in the last debate. Whiz isn’t here.”

    He traveled FTL speeds without Whis in Dragon Ball Super

  35. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 5:34 pm -      #35

    “How would beerus even see flash, let alone counteract his punches?”

    He doesn’t need to, he just drops one of his little balls of death and blows up the planet, he’s kinda done that to every planet we’ve seen him visit so far. Only reason he didn’t already do it to DB Earth is because we have amazing food and SSGs.

    “Beerus cannot move interstellar distances without outside help.”

    Except we have seen him do it. And the only reason he uses Whis is because he’s too lazy to do it himself most of the time, not because he can’t.
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    “He needs whiz to travel ftl speeds as seen in the last debate. ”

    What debate? The only person I’ve seen argue that is Scrub Lawd, and he’s not the best source for anything DB related. Or anything for that matter.

  36. pimpmage October 2, 2015 at 6:08 pm -      #36

    Is there no time or speed hacks flash has ever done? In one of the animated series, he moved so fast that he faded from existence. Can he not do such a thing to beerus?

  37. Jake_Uzumaki October 2, 2015 at 6:15 pm -      #37

    Basically everything about Beerus debated for his levels before Super came out got retconned, and everything about Battle of gods pretty much. So all that effort arguing about feats from Battle of gods amounted to nothing….because Super ridiculously ramped things up..and made everything big Ki attacks.

    @CH1C4N0444
    there was a lot of debate on Beerus’s abilities in older threads besides the one with the bad kitty.

    @Pimp
    Flash nearly fading in the series was because he tapped into too much Speed Force energy, basically he was about to merge with it more than it actually being a power of his. And comic Flash has never had said problem that I know of.

    That said Pre-New 52 had a lot of crazy Speed hax…New 52 hasn’t really shown any of the crazy stuff though.

  38. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 6:18 pm -      #38

    “Basically everything about Beerus debated for his levels before Super came out got retconned, and everything about Battle of gods pretty much. So all that effort arguing about feats from Battle of gods amounted to nothing….because Super ridiculously ramped things up..and made everything big Ki attacks.”

    Yeah pretty much. Bills destroyed half a planet with his finger in the first episode.

  39. Jake_Uzumaki October 2, 2015 at 6:23 pm -      #39

    And instead of punching through King Kai’s planet Goku KameHameHa’d through it.
    And Videl went Super Saiyan vicariously through her unborn baby and we got to technically finally see a woman go Super Saiyan.
    Also the whole going god sequence got ramped up quite a bit.
    And there’s probably a ton of stuff I’m missing off the top of my head.

  40. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 6:48 pm -      #40

    The biggest change was definitely Bills and Goku nearly destroying the whole universe.

  41. Dmtl October 2, 2015 at 7:16 pm -      #41

    So um… I didn’t see this yet but which Flash are we using…Barry Allen or Wally West because Barr Allen in Final Crisis outruns Death itself ( The Black Racer, aka Black Flash…)

  42. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 8:08 pm -      #42

    New 52 Barry, non Death suit

  43. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 8:51 pm -      #43

    “So um… I didn’t see this yet but which Flash are we using…Barry Allen or Wally West”

    Ubless otherwise stated, always go current incarnation, but I’m pretty sure this is a valid question since both are Flash ATM, right?
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    “Barr Allen in Final Crisis outruns Death itself ( The Black Racer, aka Black Flash…)”

    Which is PreN52, so useless here.
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    “New 52 Barry, non Death suit”

    In that case Bills blows up the planet along with any chance of ever eating pudding.

  44. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 2, 2015 at 9:08 pm -      #44

    “Is there no time or speed hacks flash has ever done?”

    In the new JLA series he ran so fast he time travelled to Krypton and kept going, but he didn’t seem in control.
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    ” In one of the animated series, he moved so fast that he faded from existence. Can he not do such a thing to beerus?”

    How would he make someone else fade from existence from him doing that?
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    “there was a lot of debate on Beerus’s abilities in older threads besides the one with the bad kitty.”

    But that was due to the fact that at the time Bills had little to no on panel feats and all we had were vague quotes and powerscaling. Now he does have his own feats.

    I should rephrase it, since DBS came out, no one has debated against Bills’s feats besides Scrub Lawd.

  45. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 9:08 pm -      #45

    Damn shame. Pudding is so delicious

  46. Nsl98 October 2, 2015 at 9:22 pm -      #46

    Bills vs Thor

    Yes or no?

  47. Jake_Uzumaki October 2, 2015 at 9:42 pm -      #47

    Yeah Bills may not be able to hit Barry…but he doesn’t have to either. He can just take the ground out from under him.

  48. sadot06 October 2, 2015 at 10:03 pm -      #48

    “Bills vs Thor

    Yes or no?”

    My instinct is no. Unless Thor got a lot more hax recently, which is very possible with comics.

  49. Takura20 October 2, 2015 at 11:40 pm -      #49

    Bills is blood lusted in this match…you know, because Flashed knocked the sushi out of his hands…pretty sure that Bills would just blow up the solar system just out of anger…so yeah.

  50. Friendlysociopath October 2, 2015 at 11:43 pm -      #50

    Bills is blood lusted in this match…you know, because Flashed knocked the sushi out of his hands…

    Actually that’s a very good point- Bills is pissed at Flash- that means the planet is going goodbye judging by his history.

  51. Ninja Lowk October 2, 2015 at 11:50 pm -      #51

    “New 52 hasn’t really shown any of the crazy stuff though.”

    He did dump Grodd in the speed force. Also vibrates to become intagible or cuases thing to explode or dissolve. That what I recall of the top of my head.
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    “Yeah Bills may not be able to hit Barry…but he doesn’t have to either. He can just take the ground out from under him.”

    To be fair, he has run on clouds before and kid flash stared moving so fast he was beging to take off.

  52. Jake_Uzumaki October 3, 2015 at 12:18 am -      #52

    @Lowk
    New 52 did? I know he’s done those things in older incarnations.

  53. Ninja Lowk October 3, 2015 at 12:31 am -      #53

    @Jake
    Yeah, he could also theoretically drop people in another time.
    He also vibrated a plane through a bridge, pulled a few hundred tons in his wake, and vibrating at the wrong frequency caused the street he phased through to dissolve or something.
    I’m not sure if he can speed steal yet but that might come in the current arc with Zoom and his speed force enhanced crew.

  54. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 3, 2015 at 1:01 am -      #54

    “Bills vs Thor

    Yes or no?”

    I’d say no, as it is SSG Goku can probably handle Thor, so Goku’s match might be going in his favor now.

  55. Dmtl October 3, 2015 at 2:28 am -      #55

    New-52 seems to have just shit on heroes from what you all are saying.
    ————
    Beerus vs Sentry 😉

  56. Kitten Lord October 3, 2015 at 7:12 am -      #56

    Until Bills actually gets a real FTL feat without fan assumptions and theories threads against people who are significantly faster than sound is a waste of time. The end result is always a blitzed Beerus.

  57. sadot06 October 3, 2015 at 9:49 am -      #57

    “Until Bills actually gets a real FTL feat without fan assumptions and theories threads against people who are significantly faster than sound is a waste of time. The end result is always a blitzed Beerus.”

    There are no fan theories or assumptions in this thread. Just a very clear feat of Bills traveling across the galaxy in less than 3 minutes.

  58. Nobunaga Jin October 3, 2015 at 10:45 am -      #58

    Wait, so Bills is annoyed and wants everything to die…and instead of blowing the world up to do that, he fights the Flash instead? What?

  59. Jake_Uzumaki October 3, 2015 at 10:51 am -      #59

    @Nobunga Jin
    well there’s nothing really stopping him from blowing up the world unless Flash hits him first..and even then it might just piss him off more I’m not sure, depends on how lethal Flash aims for with the first attack.

  60. Nobunaga Jin October 3, 2015 at 10:57 am -      #60

    @Jake_Uzumaki
    I think that depends on his morality in the comics.

  61. pimpmage October 3, 2015 at 11:04 am -      #61

    Guys. .. flash is like 10 faster than bills. What makes you think he will ever touch the planet before flash stops him? And someone said earlier that flash can drop someone into a different time. So beerus gets bfred.

  62. Nobunaga Jin October 3, 2015 at 11:35 am -      #62

    @pimpmage

    Considering he doesn’t really need to touch the the planet physically to destroy it, I don’t think Flash would be able to stop him in time. But I guess you’re right. If Bills gets sent to another time, I guess it would count as a bfr.

    Out of curiosity, what times have Flash been shown to send people to? Can he send them to the future, or just the Past?

  63. pimpmage October 3, 2015 at 11:42 am -      #63

    In some fictions, different times are also separate universes. Because changing the future that had already occurred creates time loops.

    Beerus and flash had to be on the planet for the original action to take place. Therefor, if beerus does stuff in the past, he would never have participated in the events that sent him back to begin with.

    Any sort of time bfr would be in a different universe if you follow the infinite universe theory.

  64. Friendlysociopath October 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm -      #64

    What makes you think he will ever touch the planet before flash stops him?

    Because Flash is kind of stupid at times? And absolutely does not bust that sort of power out on a whim?

  65. pimpmage October 3, 2015 at 1:49 pm -      #65

    Assuming B only goes for the planet poke attack, flash could always counter. Given enough tries he could do something more powerful?

    Is it in character or possible for B to planet burst from space?

  66. Friendlysociopath October 3, 2015 at 1:55 pm -      #66

    Assuming B only goes for the planet poke attack, flash could always counter.

    The problem I have is Flash has no idea whether B can destroy the planet easily or not. And Flash has a very thorough history of making mistakes and saving his best stuff until he really knows he’s screwed.
    AFAIK- comics are not my strongest point.

    Is it in character or possible for B to planet burst from space?

    Sort of yes to the first and 100% yes for the second.
    I say “sort of” for the first because I don’t know if Beerus trying to blast Goku and the planet with a fireball is still canon during the Battle of the Gods.
    But he is certainly capable of it by all evidence, whether he would want to or not.

  67. sadot06 October 3, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #67

    “Sort of yes to the first and 100% yes for the second.
    I say “sort of” for the first because I don’t know if Beerus trying to blast Goku and the planet with a fireball is still canon during the Battle of the Gods.
    But he is certainly capable of it by all evidence, whether he would want to or not.”

    Battle of the Gods was totally retconned. But in the first episode of Super, Bills isn’t overly impressed with the food he’s served so he blows up half the planet by touching the table with his finger.

    In the FTL feat video I posted, he gets bored and blows up the planet that he sent Whis to in order to get dinosaur meat by dropping a little ball of energy into the ground.

    He doesn’t worry about being in space first, he just blows the shit up when he’s ready for it to die.

  68. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 3, 2015 at 2:07 pm -      #68

    “He did dump Grodd in the speed force. Also vibrates to become intagible or cuases thing to explode or dissolve. That what I recall of the top of my head.

    To be fair, he has run on clouds before and kid flash stared moving so fast he was beging to take off.

    Yeah, he could also theoretically drop people in another time.
    He also vibrated a plane through a bridge, pulled a few hundred tons in his wake, and vibrating at the wrong frequency caused the street he phased through to dissolve or something.”

    Scans?
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    “Guys. .. flash is like 10 faster than bills. What makes you think he will ever touch the planet before flash stops him?”

    Doesn’t have too.

    static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11120/111201000/4683903-beerus+destroys+yet+another+planet.gif
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    “And someone said earlier that flash can drop someone into a different time. So beerus gets bfred.”

    Lowk said he could theoretically do it, not that he could. Although Speed Force dump seems more viable. At the same time though, we’ve seen Bills travel to the Otherworld, so he might be able to get out of a BFR.
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    “Is it in character or possible for B to planet burst from space?”

    Not sure about space specifically, but it’s in character for Bills to just destroy the planet because he’s annoyed with the inhabitants. DB Earth is a special exception since it has Saiyans and he’s been wanting to fight the Super Saiyan God so he’s kinda let it stick around a bit longer for that reason and our delicious food, but even that hasn’t really stopped him.

    I think Elder Kai mentioned that Bills blows up some like 10 planets or something before he gets to Earth as well.

  69. Nsl98 October 3, 2015 at 3:48 pm -      #69

    Scans?

    Street dissolving:
    i.imgur.com/YL21GxP.jpg

    Plane through a bridge:
    m.imgur.com/a/gBwhF#

    Couple hundred tons:
    i.imgur.com/eqQhOtt.jpg

    Phases through Manhunter:
    i.imgur.com/SUq2yqm.jpg

    Runs on clouds:
    i.imgur.com/AherZXu.jpg

  70. Nobunaga Jin October 3, 2015 at 6:19 pm -      #70

    @Nsl98 Are you sure he’s pulling that? I might be wrong, but I don’t think that’s quite what drafting means.

  71. Nsl98 October 3, 2015 at 6:34 pm -      #71

    dictionary.reference.com/browse/drafting

    ^Definition number 7 says draft can be the act of pulling loads.

  72. Nobunaga Jin October 3, 2015 at 6:59 pm -      #72

    @Nsl98 Are you sure it’s that type of drafting though? Because by the looks of it, it seems more like Aerodynamic Drafting, or slipstreaming. Of course, I might be wrong.

  73. Nsl98 October 3, 2015 at 7:06 pm -      #73

    I dunno. I just looked up drafting definition, went to the site, and saw that definition. It also fits with the wording of the panel:
    “Drafting behind my slipstream/pulling behind my slipstream.”

    Either way, he was running fast enough to somehow pull two 600 ton barges behind him. The Speed Force is whack.

  74. Kara Zor-El October 3, 2015 at 7:23 pm -      #74

    He’s not pulling them Nsl98. It’s an obvious case of aerodynamics. You’re using the wrong definition. “a current of air moving in an upward or downward direction.” is what you should be looking at, also #34 “(in an automobile race) to drive or ride close behind another car so as to benefit from the reduction in air pressure created behind the car ahead.“. He’s moving forward at an incredibly fast pace, causing the air to move around him at such an arc that the tug boats behind him are receiving no air resistance and are thus able to move faster, in his slipstream, or wake. The fact they’re directly behind him, and each other supports this.

  75. Nsl98 October 3, 2015 at 7:34 pm -      #75

    The fact they’re directly behind him, and each other supports this.

    Gotcha. In that case, he’s done it to tanks as well:
    i.imgur.com/26nSEdw.jpg

    And water:
    m.imgur.com/a/b1jG8#

  76. Kara Zor-El October 3, 2015 at 7:52 pm -      #76

    I didn’t say he couldn’t do what you were suggesting, merely that in the given scene, it was more obviously aerodynamic drafting in a slipstream.
    _
    Besides, in the tank one, he looks like he’s tethering himself to it somehow before he sets off.

  77. Aelfinn October 4, 2015 at 1:21 am -      #77

    I don’t know how far away Beerus flew, but 100 light-years in 140 seconds is 6.75 * 10^15 m/s. That is between 6 and 30 times faster than what I calc’d for the Flash. Of course, one could make an argument that The Flash’s reaction time

    So we can pretty much barely resolve Venus with our eyes.
    www.livescience.com/33895-human-eye.html

    Venus is 261 billion meters away (on average, ofc). Beerus would have 38.6 microseconds to react to it, based on a 100-light-year distance traveled.

    So even if Beerus is physically faster, the reaction times can be vastly different. Of course, feel free to suggest other distances that Beerus may have traveled.
    Beerus = 0.0000386 seconds
    Flash = 0.000000000000001 seconds

  78. Ninja Lowk October 4, 2015 at 3:34 am -      #78

    “Besides, in the tank one, he looks like he’s tethering himself to it somehow before he sets off.”

    All he did was take a starting stance while she joins the others in the tank.
    Alternatively, Speed force stuff.

  79. Kitten Lord October 4, 2015 at 3:50 am -      #79

    @Aeflinn

    “feel free to suggest other distances that Beerus may have traveled.”

    Or, feel free to actually provide the canon distance, so Beerus actually has a feat in the first place. Otherwise, we are essentially making things up…..which is fine of course for DBZ characters on this site apparently….

  80. Ninja Lowk October 4, 2015 at 3:57 am -      #80

    “Or, feel free to actually provide the canon distance, so Beerus actually has a feat in the first place.”

    -Insert cheap comeback of about you asking for proof of distance here-

  81. pimpmage October 4, 2015 at 7:48 am -      #81

    I guess I just wasn’t paying attention enough, I saw that video that showed beerus showing up on a dino planet because he was bored. Where was the mention of distance he traveled?

  82. Numinous One October 4, 2015 at 8:14 am -      #82

    Distance wasn’t mentioned, a timeframe was.
    However when they left their nebula wasn’t visible, so it was a fair distance away, though unknown exactly.

  83. pimpmage October 4, 2015 at 9:04 am -      #83

    How did aelf Calc velocity without a stated distance?

  84. Friendlysociopath October 4, 2015 at 9:49 am -      #84

    How did aelf Calc velocity without a stated distance?

    He did say he was welcome to other distances.
    You know as well as I that characters that don’t take forever to get somewhere in space are many times FTL almost by default.

    But as I understand it:
    Whis used his staff to fly off like he does in the movie.
    The planet he flew to was literally not visible, so it had to be x distance away.
    A minute or so later Beerus flew after him.

  85. pimpmage October 4, 2015 at 10:06 am -      #85

    Sounds like an artistic interpretation of planet distance. I doubt artists took astrology into mind.

  86. pimpmage October 4, 2015 at 11:03 am -      #86

    Aelf, i’m reading that the distance from venus to earth only has light traveling for 4 minutes. With my shitty math skills, taking 2 minutes to travel there would only require 2c? Not 10x several hundred thousand times light speed that you claim is Faster than flash…?

  87. CH1C4N0444 is allergic to bullets October 4, 2015 at 1:30 pm -      #87

    “Aelf, i’m reading that the distance from venus to earth only has light traveling for 4 minutes. With my shitty math skills, taking 2 minutes to travel there would only require 2c?”

    He’s not using Venus to Earth for the distance of Bills flight speed, but to calculate his reaction time.

  88. Aelfinn October 4, 2015 at 1:31 pm -      #88

    “How did aelf Calc velocity without a stated distance”

    Well I thought through it like this, assuming standard astrological bodies, which I know Dragonball sometimes fucks with:
    Beerus wanted dinosaur meat, which I assume comes from a particular planet. They both knew which planet they needed to go to, so I’m assuming they didn’t go to a completely random planet. Now, if it’s in the same solar system, you’re absolutely right, it would take on the order of 2c to get there. However, the odds that this planet is in the same solar system are literally on the order of 1-in-8.8-billion, if not 1-in-100-billion. There are 100 billion stars in the galaxy, 8.8 billion “earth-like planets”, and the Milky Way is 100,000 light-years across. While the closest star system to Earth is 4.2 light-years away ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_stars_and_brown_dwarfs ), I figured that was also incredibly unlikely, (again, on the order of 1-in-8-billion, if not 1-in-100-billion). While it’s certainly possible, it’s so improbable that I dismissed it.

    The average distance between two random points in a disc is 0.45271 times the diameter of said disc ( www.math.uni-muenster.de/reine/u/burgstal/d18.pdf ). So with a diameter of 100,000 light-years, two random systems in the Milky Way should be 45,271 light-years away. Something to consider.

    Now, if you wish to assume that it’s in the solar system right next door, 4.2 light-years, that distance traveled in 140 seconds is 2.8 * 10^14 m/s, or 946 thousand times the speed of light.

    Remember what I said, though. Just because someone may be faster does not mean their reaction times are inherently lower. What this means is that Beerus’ fighting-speed is likely far, far lower than his travel speed. For example: I pointed out that Beerus would need reaction times of 36 microseconds in order to not run into a planet. That means if he’s fighting an opponent 1 meter away, his fighting speed is *only* Mach 80.

  89. pimpmage October 4, 2015 at 2:37 pm -      #89

    Wouldn’t the average distance between two points on a disk be a ratio for the average distance between two opposing fonuses of an ellipse? Just guessing off the top of my head.

    But yeah, that makes sense. But it still feels wrong somehow for the two planets in question to be scattered across a galaxy. These guys would have been blazing a trail in a path through the galaxy. Planets they stop at would likely have been consecutive. Disregarding the chance for earth like planets because this is a fictional anime. Every planet in that universe could have intelligent life for all we know. I would place my bet on two planets from seperate solar systems neighboring eachother.

  90. Aelfinn October 4, 2015 at 3:06 pm -      #90

    “Wouldn’t the average distance between two points on a disk be a ratio for the average distance between two opposing fonuses of an ellipse?”

    Now, ellipses and circles aren’t my strong suit, but mind, this is any point on said disc, not just the outer edge. It’s also a uniform disc, effectively a circle, and not an ellipse. TL; DR, I don’t know, I’m just using what the paper gave me.
    =
    “I would place my bet on two planets from seperate solar systems neighboring eachother.”

    Maybe. Honestly, I don’t see it mattering. Sure, Beerus’ top speed is probably faster than the Flash’s, but does that really matter when Beerus’ fighting speed and reaction time are also likely to be way slower than the Flash’s? A femtosecond is how long it takes for light to move the distance of a virus, it’s hard to beat that.

  91. pimpmage October 4, 2015 at 3:10 pm -      #91

    An ellipse is two parabolas attached to eachother to form either an oval or possibly a perfect circle. The focus is kinda like what the parabola curves around.
    www.softschools.com/math/calculus/images/finding_the_foci_of_an_ellipse_img_2.png

    Wait, your right. The focuses of a perfect circle would be the center.

  92. Aelfinn October 4, 2015 at 3:25 pm -      #92

    “An ellipse is two parabolas attached to eachother to form either an oval or possibly a perfect circle. The focus is kinda like what the parabola curves around.”

    Well I know that, Pimpy, I just didn’t know if there were any rules governing the relationship between the distances of foci :p

  93. sadot06 October 4, 2015 at 3:30 pm -      #93

    @Aelfinn

    While you’re here, can you do a calc of the Goku vs Bills fight where their punches threaten to destroy the universe?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-S_cRcrllo

  94. Aelfinn October 4, 2015 at 4:10 pm -      #94

    “While you’re here, can you do a calc of the Goku vs Bills fight where their punches threaten to destroy the universe?”

    How do we know their punches threaten to destroy the universe? Is there a translation somewhere?

    The thing that appeared to have the greatest effect was the beam/ball struggle, and that destroyed another planet (which of course puts it at planet-busting at the very, very minimum)…but it didn’t destroy Earth, which is right underneath it. I need some context, I think.

  95. sadot06 October 4, 2015 at 4:31 pm -      #95

    “How do we know their punches threaten to destroy the universe? Is there a translation somewhere?

    The thing that appeared to have the greatest effect was the beam/ball struggle, and that destroyed another planet (which of course puts it at planet-busting at the very, very minimum)…but it didn’t destroy Earth, which is right underneath it. I need some context, I think.”

    It was stated by the Elder Kai. The shockewaves reached them too despite them being in another dimension: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxncbeyLgoE

  96. Kara Zor-El October 4, 2015 at 6:00 pm -      #96

    “All he did was take a starting stance while she joins the others in the tank.
    Alternatively, Speed force stuff.”

    _
    Then it was drawn weirdly. Whatever, the type of draft ‘pulling’ I never said Flash couldn’t do, Just in the scene with the tugboats it seemed more like the aerodynamic slipstream. To disprove Flash was ‘pulling them’ like Nsl98 was claiming.

  97. Dmtl October 4, 2015 at 6:12 pm -      #97

    It’s funny from that video of Goku and Beerus fighting in space because Goku cannot survive in space…also he can’t survive a planet exploding (RoF movie)

  98. Numinous One October 4, 2015 at 6:20 pm -      #98

    “It was stated by the Elder Kai. The shockewaves reached them too despite them being in another dimension:”

    With episode 13 you’ve now got three statements of universe destruction.
    Elder Kai.
    Whis.
    Narrator.

    You’ve also got Beerus being able to completely nullify that level of power without any strain.

  99. Aelfinn October 4, 2015 at 7:10 pm -      #99

    The only answer is unquantifiable. “Apparently, the further the wave gets from its point of origin…the more powerful its destructive power gets”. There’s just no way to calc that, because it doesn’t make any sense. It’s kind of like how Super Buu yelled so loud he became able to escape the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. The only possible answer is that the fabric of reality that makes up the DragonBall universe is unusually thin. So much so that yelling can tear holes in it, and that putting enough energy into one spot can somehow make ripples in reality become more destructive as it gets farther away. I apologize I can’t give a proper calc, but…there’s just nothing I can do.

  100. Friendlysociopath October 4, 2015 at 8:17 pm -      #100

    It’s funny from that video of Goku and Beerus fighting in space because Goku cannot survive in space…also he can’t survive a planet exploding (RoF movie)

    Pretty sure it’s just, “Goku can’t survive in space for long.” Cause he’s been seen speaking in space so many times now that the line holds no weight at all.

    There’s just no way to calc that, because it doesn’t make any sense.

    I’ve had a similar conversation with others as well- some things just violate physics too much to do anything with.

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